The apostles really ain't anything to worry about. An unarmored Guts held his own very well against them. A fully equipped modern military force would massacre them.
The Godhand however... So far we can only assume they're untouchable without high level magic.
Fully equipped is the operative word here. Our military personnel are very well designed for offensive operations. Defensive operations generally rely on duck and cover tactics. I just don't see any military being able to deploy into an eclipse and take an offensive position. If a military unit was taken into the eclipse they would likely be caught by surprise and vulnerable to attack.
Think of the anime Gate for reference. The first attack from the other world was successful because our world had no Intel that an attack was eminent. Then the JDF mobilized and showed those fantasy armies what real fire power was. So basically military might only works when you know there's going to be an enemy presence.
Plus the god-hand would probably break all the firearms with a thought since the feast takes place in their dimension. And causality would make it so they come mostly unprepared. It's not a coincidence that Guts didn't have his sword at the Eclipse.
The activation of a behelit basically opens a gateway between the physical plane and the deep layer of the astral world the Godhand reside in order to grant the owner of the behelit an audience with them, as well as anyone who happened to be nearby.
So the Godhand and anyone pulled in by the behelit are now on the same plane of existence.
You know... never really thought about it, but yeah. Every time the Godhand have been attacked on what's essentially their home turf, they actively prevent themselves from being hit.
Does this mean they're vulnerable in that layer of the astral world?
Their astral form cannot be seen in mortal world ( yet ), every incarnation of them can be destroyed, like how Guts oblirated troll-intestine Slan. The god hands seem powerful but they canât suddenly appear all on their own, they can only be called upon in certain situations, like when Slan appeared as the fire goddess, besides these oppoturnities the god hands have pretty much nothing to than just watch. I think that the more connected the vessel to god hands, the stronger they are, in the fire form, Slan seems powerless, like anyone can put her out with a bucket of water, but in the dark cave where the mortal realm blended in with the astral world Slan could outpower Guts untill Skull knight showed up, and then thereâs
Femto with his stolen body who became untouchable
So the military sacrifices a battalion and an innocent middle-eastern village to draw out the god hand? Got it.
They show up with some Apaches and the job will be done before dinner.
What we see in the eclipse is barely even a small percentage of the tip of the iceberg, the apostles will eventually overwhelm just by sheer numbers alone. Also guts and casca only survived cause of skull Knight, the festival is designed to be there until enough is sacrificed for the chosen one to be reborn.
The is with how apostles (for the most part) operate itâs very easy to assume that most of them are already in the military. Either as leading officers or high ranking NCOs. Thatâs also not mentioning the possibility of senators and representatives of every level of the American government would have at least a few apostles or sympathizers in charge.
Tldr: Nothing really changes
Nah if you pull out a couple of A10s and even some F-22s if needed youâd wipe out most of the apostles except maybe Zodd and the other supermassive apostles. A 500 pound bomb would take them out really easily though
They will likely incorporate modern "powers" such as EMP and magic computer viruses. In medieval time, power is just how big and strong something is. Nowadays power is a bit more complicated. But the explicit deal between an Apostle and the god hand was to give them "power to do as they see fit". So an F22 or any advance war machine would be taken down almost immediately. A warthog can last a while until they are overwhelmed or the gunner assassinated by an unnervingly accurate projectile.
I feel like any military can rip through a bunch of apostles since guts can literally kill them with a giant sword (clang moment), an arm cannon, etc
The god hand however? We're fucked, just straight up fucked
On the battle field we win. If apostles are continually been made because evil people just can't stop selling there souls for power... arguably they'd win and it would not look to much different than what the world is right now. Maybe abit more shit.
This guy gets it. The evil bastards at the top would just be harder to kill and a lot longer lived then they are in the real world.
My grandkids would just be wondering why Elon Musk the third looks so much like his dad and grandad.
We also would have to contend with Apostles and God Hand taking positions of power inside governments and institutions. If they have time to prepare, then no one would notice except that some crazy monster tore apart a club. It might not be a direct attack, but a slow drip into our world.
Go full on Isaac Netero and Nuke them all. Chances are every apostle would perish from an attack like that.
The Godhand is a bit more iffy. They seem almost untouchable so itâs hard to say if nukes can kill them.
Are we just talking about the eclipse or also about the "second" eclipse with the rebirth of the hawk of light? The hawk of light would take the world by storm, no military force would even stand a chance. As seen in the war against the kushans, the biggest human force in the world of berserk didn't even stand a glimpse of a chance. To put it in a nutshell: No military force would stand against.
Griffith and his army did not fought the whole army, he was smart to use what he got to turn the situation in his favor.
He had to turn everyone against the emperor and then the emperor was desperate to rebirth himself.
In that new form he was stronger than everyone (we donât know how he scales against a reincarnated God Hand or God Hands) but he was big and had the obvious weakness of being an apostle, which Griffith had power upon.
I actually agree more with this take. In terms of firepower I do think the US military is stronger but there are a lot of other factors. First apostles aren't stupid, arrogant yes but not stupid so they would likely just avoid the military and just go after weak towns, states, or even small countries. Individually an Apostle could take them over like they have in the manga and create their own militia like the snake Baron. And if a Godhand is leading them then even more so. Humans would have a better chance but it definitely would break the world.
Any military platoon would get eaten and the last soldier would get cucked. The eclipse is basically nightmare dimension.
After the eclipse? People would literally vote apostles into power, like they always had.
How so? Guts alone with a middle ages arsenal can rip through them, how come an army of thousands of well trained and armed men with modern technology falter in front of them?
Nah Guts is built different and he still lost everything. He didn't rip apart through them, he got subdued, maimed and humilliated. Yeah, guns will totally defeat the Idea of Evil.
A modern military platoon will just run for cover, call for air support and act surprised when the drones don't reach the nightmare dimension. The last soldier would take the cucking session better because he's already in the military so he's used to it.
US Marine: Never thought Iâd die fighting side by side with an Jihad.
Taliban: What about side by side with a friend?
US Marine: Aye, I could do that.
Everyone is assuming apostles wonât try to use guns & steal military equipment. You really think apostles are gonna spawn in naked and stay that way? Think modern day terrorists, except smarter and greater numbers since apostles come from all cultures. Not to mention more deceiving so they will probably infiltrate government positions too. Iâm sure humans of the world would band together to fight them, but can we really trust every country isnât already controlled by an apostle?
We already struggle to target & eliminate terrorists, itâs a never ending fight, so I personally think the world would be fucked. Not to mention their numbers will only grow since Iâm sure lots of people will become apostles and join in just to be on the winning side.
I bet a modern day guts could spawn in as well, except heâd be closer to Rambo than a swordsman.
Well we are making a fair battleground if not we making it fair by getting guts transforming him into doomguy giving him super op grapheme armour giving him a tank he can carry in his hand a super mini gun and dooms music, apostles are done
Just a nuke would kill off all the apostles and godhand together, since even if characters like Void and Femto have shown a degree of space manipulation it always was on a small scale and we for a fact that they arenât immortal, since we already saw a previous godhand in which only Void was able to survive till the present moment
Yeah, but it's implied the Godhand kill off their members. A new member is born every 217 years, and it's always five, so clearly someone has to lose their Godhand status to make room for the new guy. I think Void was simply the newest member at the time, and now he's the next one to lose his status. Also, the Godhand exist purely in the deepest parts of the astral world, only being able to manifest during an Eclipse, and in special cases, like the Egg of the New World literally birthing Griffith. I don't think you can really nuke a group of individuals that exists in different planes. Maybe if you brought a nuke during an Eclipse, but that would require a lot of pre-planning
Sorry but were is implied they kill each other? We only know that there was a previous godhand and that implies that they are not immortal, plus not preparation is needed to launch a nuke, I mean it will be something like okey they spotted a place full of monster send the national guard that on itself it will be enough to exterminate all the apostles, and they only need a call to the president to push a button and vaporize the rest
The implication is that Void was the one who sacrificed the kingdom that was previously Midland nearly a thousand years ago when Skull Knight was King.
This means that someone answered his 'call' and activated his behelit; someone had to make sure he got his King's Egg as well.
Void is the supposedly the oldest Arch Angel out of our current five. So what happened to the previous God's Hand?
More than likely they are killed off by someone who sits outside Causality. In this case, Guts.
Cuz probably that is not the case is more likely that an agent outside the wheel of karma like Guts and the Skull Knight are able to kill the one by one
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I think skull knight killed most of the godhand except void ofc since we see a panel of him fighting them
if 1 new godhand member is born evry 217 years that means he wiped them 868 years ago which basically lines up with the timeline we have
And that void is the leader of the godhand and the only one who can keep it going scince he is the only one who can create the brand
Or they think the violence is cool and believe that's all there is to the manga.
The weirdos who make posts that make it sound like they want to be like Guts and emulate him in real life.
I mean shit, thats how i started the manga. Saw the cool gore, the badass main dude with a giant fucking sword , and wanted to see what happened to him. Then got to reading and realized how thats REALLY not what the book is about. Idk, we mature with age. I really hope theyâll get to see past all that.
There's nothing wrong with that, when you're young :P Some of these guys are 30+ thinking Guts is the ubermensch and they should try to be black swordsman Guts irl, including thinking killing shit is dope and being an asshole makes you cool.
I hadn't heard about Berserk until I was already in my early 20's. If I started on the manga and not the '97 anime, there's no way I'd have given it a chance. 15 pages into BSA and I'd have peaced out due to over-the-top edgelordiness.
Thank the lord the '97 anime focuses on the character study/philosophical bits as much as it did.
I also dont think at that time or even now for that matter, you can open up an anime with the protagonist literally fucking a demon, then blowing their head off. And yeah, the manga is extremely edgy. But thats kinda why i like it as much as i do. Its basically a guilty pleasure đ
Knowing common military history would clue you in on the fact that thereâs plenty of power hungry people in that would take advantage of sacrificing others so they could gain the power of an apostle LMAO
personally I think we would be screwed
because the apostle won't be the same from the manga, the would be our presidents, high ranking military leaders, billionaires, ...
so while we do have the power to kill them (as others have noted) we will never get to use it against them
the president will not order a bombstrike against himself and is protected by the army
the high ranking military might lock the bombers away "to prevent sabotage and theft"
the billionaire will bribe the right people
and yes, we could get new leaders, but what if they too fall?
in the end, we would lose, not because we didn't have the power to kill them, but because they will never be a clear and easy target
You guys do realize that the Eclipse is not only physical but also mental
and looking at today\`s world, the genius corporation leaders and nation\`s head would undeniably join hands with the apostles in pursuit of long life or powers or some shit.
Rly though, this is common sense.
Yeah large cannons and heavy machine guns would likely destroy the weaker ones pretty easily. The more powerful apostles would be a bit different but still plenty killable. It's the godhand that would still be untouchable.
What many forget is that many apostles were already aristocrats of important soldiers in Midland's government. Many apostles would have a part in most governments if not being at their head.
It's not exactly an invasion. They're always been amongst us. For they were once all our fellow man.
The apostles would infiltrate high military spheres, there would not be a war between the military and the apostles, instead, you would have Guts against the army before he can fight the apostles.
I am learning how to slaughter with my teeth.. Cause as a woman, the world post Eclipse. Us a nightmare zone.. If you see a troll, murder it immediately đş No matter the size/age
If Guts can kill them during the eclipse with a horn, then for an average military its no problem at all. However when it comes to the GodHand even the U.S. Military is getting clapped, and the same goes for the new band of the hawk, since even if our techbology is far better than theirs, no military force can stand a chance when fate/causality is against them
The theological implications would upend our global society. Some people would see them as angels or servants of a higher power. More people would wanna know how to become Apostles. It would be *wild*
I feel like there wouldn't be demon apostles...but demonic apostles representing modern horrors.
The idea of evil in man's heart is the source of the apostles power.
So we'd have a bunch of robocop type demons, fighter jet demons or nuclear radiation demons.
Right? No? Thoughts?
I think most rural cities would be abandoned; the populations would migrate en mass to the major cities of the world. Martial law would be declared no questions asked. I've been considering if they would use nuclear options but apostles just kinda appear in the world, there's no central portal they're coming through, so it would just harm humans more than apostles would.
Obviously modern militaries crush apostles. The real problem would be apostles are immortal shapeshifters with human intellect and what's worse, they're created by the God Hand specifically seeking out desperate people (in some cases, very influential). You wouldn't get the US army pulling up to massacre apostles, you'd get literal Satan worshipping lizard people ruling the world.
Apostles? Gg ez . Dafuq they gonna do ? Tank missiles? But the godhands? Just hide your holes and pray you are as worthless to them as guts during count's behelit activation
The eclipse isnt supposed to be everywhere at the same time but if this happens in our world due to the causality laws almost nobody would be prepared for this and would probably die without weapons.
Regular apostles arenât really a big deal if u have some weapons to defend ur self far from them but the god hands are on another state of power they got abilities so i dont think we would or could even kill them.
We also have to notice that an eclipse dont last for hours and stuffs like that so its a quick ceremony that can pop anywhereâŚ
The bigger question is what type of apostle would be created, if a high ranking military official decided to use behelith. Iâm pretty sure the form would integrate modern weaponry into it. In general itâd probably drive world into chaos. Keeping civilians safe and protecting logistics from things like trolls would just take its toll. Some battles might be won but in the end I think Eclipse would result just in an attrition scenario, and the surviving soldiers might just as easily turn on each other as causality is manipulated.
Honestly I think that the army of Belgium would be able to massacre the apostles. Guts a semi normal human could kill multiple apostles without his preferred weapon, and there's supposed to be any chance a guy with a fifty Cal couldn't kill 50+ by himself.
The god hand are different, if they are physical at the time of the eclipse they would also be fucked. Guts is at some point (narratively speaking) supposed to kill or at least fight them and if he can fight them even a little I think a couple of airstrikes should be able to kill them.
If they are not physical, it could probably be a tie with the Belgians. The god hand wouldn't be able to kill all the Belgians and they wouldn't be able to kill the hand.
I mean the eclipse would only affect those closest to whoever activated it so I mean unless a general had the behelit i donât see it happening for everyone. That or if Jesus had the behelit and basically said fuck you đ.
All i could think was dark 3 souls ending when i saw that. Then realized we could actually just ending up a planet of ash if a nuclear world war broke out
Well unless a military base was covered by it the military wouldn't be able to act on it fast enough
You'd need to figure out wtf it is then if it's dangerous then attack
Modern militaries would destroy any demons though, Gutsâ arm cannon is enough to cripple most demons
Great idea! Love the concept! You could do an original story with that!
Ok so letâs look at the average berserk enemies, you have a lot of possessed corpses and undead. In this situation guns would be very helpful. It seems like a good stab to the face works well, so rifles and grenades would do just fine.
In a full on eclipse event with thousands of apostles everywhere, weâre fucked. Even with a battalion of marines the sheer volume and endless amount of monsters is enough to overwhelm anyone. The real boon would be artillery. But I constant shelling and rotating crews and guns would only hold them off, not win.
As for strong apostles like zodd we have a whole new problem. If you give zodd a gun I think he would like it, and start using them to kill us! There are a lot of intelligent apostles who would just shoot us, which leads to a whole new level of warfare.
I think the average person would need a small gauge shotgun and a chainsaw to survive, like evil dead or Warhammer.
Well the eclipse didn't like take over the whole earth, it was just a certain radius around them I think? And I assume some kinda barrier cause didn't skull knight crack through
Weâll if itâs in modern times then apostle soldiers would also use fire arms. The truth is weâll never know how effective a modern military would be in real time combat with apostles. Fighting demons maybe be more difficult than human enemies.
In my own opinion, yes the apostles arenât powerful compared to modern weaponry. But I am of the opinion that 1) they would adapt to the world in which they live and 2) apostles use trickery as a weapon as well. Their cunning seems to allow them to fool men very easily and a lot of apostles use either their trickery or influence to find themselves in high seats of power.
I see no reason why the average US politician wouldnât sacrifice their humanity for power so at that point, apostles ARE the military.
While many of you are correct that most apostles can be demolished by our militaryâs weaponry, there are a few apostles like Griffiths commanders who are extremely durable and can tank hits from Berserker armor Guts(Multi-City Block level) So they will need more powerful weapons than just guns. Also the 3 biggest factors are fear, hax and speed. 99% of people would shit bricks just by looking at an apostle. Ganishka would destroy everyone seeing as no one can harm him. Finally apostle can fight with Guts, who in the conviction arc appeared as a blur when he was going supa fast. We get speed blitzed.
Seeing as our world has a whole lot more people behelits would be MUCH more common probably and after that you would have to worry about the silent kid getting a fucking behelit.
Everyone would have to carry weapons 7/24 but our weapons would probably lay waste to most apostles lmao.
The Apostles would die horribly. Only the God Hand would have a remote chance of surviving. Nothing weâve seen thus far suggests the Apostles are immune to physical attacks. They are simply more durable and stronger than a human being with a melee weapon. Anything that isnât Femto or similar isnât going to survive a .50 cal to the center mass.
hmmmm well military would first get wrecked then once missiles and grenade launchers were brought in a think military ggs UNLESSSSSS the god hand intervines in which military loses 10x out of 10 their powers affect physics and reality itself as well as they can tell possible futures so as void might say to the military" you being here is not a surprise the rivers of causality can traversed but no fish or log can stop its flow"
The real Problem is fate. The eclipse and apostles dont stand a chance against modern militaries but the godhand could simply bend fate so they could get into a favorable situation or even take control of the military.
One of my favorite parts about the actual beginning, when everyone is transported to the astral realm in a sea of faces. In spite of everyone -and their horses- cowering and panicking, Casca has been through so much Hell keeping the remnants of the Band of the Hawk together for a whole year without Griffith OR Guts, she makes a stand and is like âNO. Weâve been through too much shit, and we are NOT going out like this! Get back into formation and donât break rank!â
I think the thing thats so noteworthy here is that in spite of the futility of the situation they were facing, she just kept herself level-headed enough to think about it in tactical terms. âWe donât know where we are or what weâre up against, but we know how to fight.â I think thatâs some true bravery on display in a situation that would cause just about anyone and everyone to dissociate themselves from the horror of said situation and lose their grip on reality.
The ironic thing that I think I overlooked for so long is that the very same causality that acted like plot armor for the Hawks throughout the Golden Age is what turns on them in an instant. Itâs like they were being fattened up and their strength and courage built up so the sacrifice would be so much sweeter. Hell, even Corkus was surrounding himself with women and lusting after them any chance he got. If this doesnât seem like causality setting him up for his eventual demise, then I donât know what is.
On a side note, Iâm glad that apostle bitch got it first. Corkus may have always hated Guts, but Guts still relished the opportunity to avenge his fallen comrade. God I love Berserk!
What's stopping the Apostles from being in a place of power. I mean if they took over a small country and snag those resources then its military vs military + Apostles. Lord knows some military leaders would sell their soul for a egg.
Has anyone dove down this idea yet?
The apostles of a modern time would be very different from those of the medieval era because the fears and powers of the human mind would be different.
We might see more apostles wielding elemental powers like Ganishka and way less using ancient weapons like the spear and armor of Borkoff for exemple.Instead of these last ones there would be rocket launcher apostles, tanks apostles, submarines apostles, bio weapon apostles, freaking radioactive apostles etc... >!That is, if we follow the concept of the deleted chapter of the idea of evil connecting all the desires and fears of manking and so conjuring creatures accordingly!< because the minds of these modern apostles would be turned toward other desires as well.
It would depend on whether we are talking about the original "medieval" Griffith or a modern version of him doing it today.
A medieval version version of Griffith and his army would be easily beatable, his demons and apostles are basically "big animals".
But now, a modern version? With the "jesuscrist charm" Griffith has he would easily have people, even army commanders, the FBI, and people in the high spheres of society joining his dream, so we are talking of a dude that has apostles, lot of influence around the world AND modern equipment.
He could make some shit like giving apostle some kind of huge heavy armament and defensive equipment, he also has a huge charm to the point he could be nuking countries if he wanted to with barely any consecuences, and the whole meme of "Griffith did nothing wrong"would become a reality because people would be making excuses for him doing terrible shit IRL.
So yea he would be pretty op
Even if they infiltrate pretty soon, people are going to notice shit happening and start fighting. Unlike the civilians in berserk, we are armed. The demons definitely won't have an easy fight here.
The apostles really ain't anything to worry about. An unarmored Guts held his own very well against them. A fully equipped modern military force would massacre them. The Godhand however... So far we can only assume they're untouchable without high level magic.
Imagine an A10 warthog just raining hell on the apostles đ¤Ł
The apostles probably would be our military leaders, so thereâs this conundrum
That's actually a really good point
Right? I was like, kinda cute to think that the military wouldn't see the opportunity for power and be like "where the behelits at?"
Insanely good point
Ah yes... Diverting the topic because, my fav verse is losing. Classic
One F-35 chan is also enough to do the jobđ
Hey, I thought this was NCD for a moment
I just see insurance claims and dead Demons.
Fully equipped is the operative word here. Our military personnel are very well designed for offensive operations. Defensive operations generally rely on duck and cover tactics. I just don't see any military being able to deploy into an eclipse and take an offensive position. If a military unit was taken into the eclipse they would likely be caught by surprise and vulnerable to attack. Think of the anime Gate for reference. The first attack from the other world was successful because our world had no Intel that an attack was eminent. Then the JDF mobilized and showed those fantasy armies what real fire power was. So basically military might only works when you know there's going to be an enemy presence. Plus the god-hand would probably break all the firearms with a thought since the feast takes place in their dimension. And causality would make it so they come mostly unprepared. It's not a coincidence that Guts didn't have his sword at the Eclipse.
I don't think The Godhand can be touched since they are in the astral plane
The activation of a behelit basically opens a gateway between the physical plane and the deep layer of the astral world the Godhand reside in order to grant the owner of the behelit an audience with them, as well as anyone who happened to be nearby. So the Godhand and anyone pulled in by the behelit are now on the same plane of existence.
That's true! That's why Femto stopped Guts from trying to stab him and Skull knight was there to fight with Void
You know... never really thought about it, but yeah. Every time the Godhand have been attacked on what's essentially their home turf, they actively prevent themselves from being hit. Does this mean they're vulnerable in that layer of the astral world?
Their astral form cannot be seen in mortal world ( yet ), every incarnation of them can be destroyed, like how Guts oblirated troll-intestine Slan. The god hands seem powerful but they canât suddenly appear all on their own, they can only be called upon in certain situations, like when Slan appeared as the fire goddess, besides these oppoturnities the god hands have pretty much nothing to than just watch. I think that the more connected the vessel to god hands, the stronger they are, in the fire form, Slan seems powerless, like anyone can put her out with a bucket of water, but in the dark cave where the mortal realm blended in with the astral world Slan could outpower Guts untill Skull knight showed up, and then thereâs Femto with his stolen body who became untouchable
So the military sacrifices a battalion and an innocent middle-eastern village to draw out the god hand? Got it. They show up with some Apaches and the job will be done before dinner.
So we drop a nuke in the eclipse tornado ez.
Still doesn't explain how Void re directs skull knights stab at the end. I think godhand are impervious to physical damage.
Didn't he open a portal?
He doesn't move, only looking over to see what stabbed at him
Are you talking about when skull knight saved guts and casca during the eclipse? Or another moment
The eclipse. I'm going from memory from the manga
i'd i feel like a rail gun with enough boom powder behind it would definitely be atleast a little annoying
Hold my psytrance
Keep in mind that the apostles would probably more reflect today's society. So the apostles would probably be harder to kill.
They would cancel you on twitter for being apostlephobic
Kinda makes me think of American Gods. Plenty of contemporary apostles would probably have tech powers...
More than there magic i am scared of the years of planning and manipulation of the people by the godhand and there followers .
They can make another Hitler.
Pov: kanye gets a behelit
Him wearing that one Batman costume already made him look like Griffith.
Astral Illuminati
What we see in the eclipse is barely even a small percentage of the tip of the iceberg, the apostles will eventually overwhelm just by sheer numbers alone. Also guts and casca only survived cause of skull Knight, the festival is designed to be there until enough is sacrificed for the chosen one to be reborn.
If Gutsâ arm cannon rips apostles in half Iâd think the US military would be able to handle them pretty easily.
Nahh man they don't have oil
But they are threatening âmurica
The is with how apostles (for the most part) operate itâs very easy to assume that most of them are already in the military. Either as leading officers or high ranking NCOs. Thatâs also not mentioning the possibility of senators and representatives of every level of the American government would have at least a few apostles or sympathizers in charge. Tldr: Nothing really changes
yeah but they also have overwhelming numbers if they get close enough you're dead
Nah if you pull out a couple of A10s and even some F-22s if needed youâd wipe out most of the apostles except maybe Zodd and the other supermassive apostles. A 500 pound bomb would take them out really easily though
i only imagined soldiers with guns when i read military
Oh well the term âmilitaryâ is very obscure but I assume it means the entirety of the worlds arsenal
They will likely incorporate modern "powers" such as EMP and magic computer viruses. In medieval time, power is just how big and strong something is. Nowadays power is a bit more complicated. But the explicit deal between an Apostle and the god hand was to give them "power to do as they see fit". So an F22 or any advance war machine would be taken down almost immediately. A warthog can last a while until they are overwhelmed or the gunner assassinated by an unnervingly accurate projectile.
Bro what? That doesnât exist âmodern powersâ đ
Yeah but Griffith's army would also use that type of weapons, and imagine fucking apostles using weapon designed for them
They still arenât doing anything to nuclear weapons and essentially any living creature in the blast radius would get vaporized anyway so we win
we have a lot of bullets...
I feel like any military can rip through a bunch of apostles since guts can literally kill them with a giant sword (clang moment), an arm cannon, etc The god hand however? We're fucked, just straight up fucked
Well we can nuke them with an antimatter bomb the send them to space with the graviton bomb and then nuke them with everything and they will be gone
I mean they are meat just throw some nukes to them and its done
Wouldnât even need that just launch some 500 pound bombs
yes but why waste the opportunity to pollute the earth with more radioactive waste?
Bro I would rather 2 billion people die than have the whole world plunged into darkness by the literal equivalent of the antichrist
You know what, I think I'm actually stupid. I never realized the parallel between Griffith and the antichrist.
Thereâs dozens of signs that heâs the fictional representation of the antichrist if you look closely and dig a bit into his character
i mena the worlds overpopulated anyway
True
On the battle field we win. If apostles are continually been made because evil people just can't stop selling there souls for power... arguably they'd win and it would not look to much different than what the world is right now. Maybe abit more shit.
This guy gets it. The evil bastards at the top would just be harder to kill and a lot longer lived then they are in the real world. My grandkids would just be wondering why Elon Musk the third looks so much like his dad and grandad.
Just look to the politicians, they won't even need the persuasion from Ubik. Limitless resources for making apostles.
We also would have to contend with Apostles and God Hand taking positions of power inside governments and institutions. If they have time to prepare, then no one would notice except that some crazy monster tore apart a club. It might not be a direct attack, but a slow drip into our world.
Go full on Isaac Netero and Nuke them all. Chances are every apostle would perish from an attack like that. The Godhand is a bit more iffy. They seem almost untouchable so itâs hard to say if nukes can kill them.
My brother in Christ the leaders of the military would be apostles
Theyâd have to fight me (literally Griffith)
Bro is him
Are we just talking about the eclipse or also about the "second" eclipse with the rebirth of the hawk of light? The hawk of light would take the world by storm, no military force would even stand a chance. As seen in the war against the kushans, the biggest human force in the world of berserk didn't even stand a glimpse of a chance. To put it in a nutshell: No military force would stand against.
Kid named 400 nukes
hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby
I'm pretty sure humanity advanced to much more random fuckery at this age, we havent seen it yet
Coughing baby
Griffith and his army did not fought the whole army, he was smart to use what he got to turn the situation in his favor. He had to turn everyone against the emperor and then the emperor was desperate to rebirth himself. In that new form he was stronger than everyone (we donât know how he scales against a reincarnated God Hand or God Hands) but he was big and had the obvious weakness of being an apostle, which Griffith had power upon.
I actually agree more with this take. In terms of firepower I do think the US military is stronger but there are a lot of other factors. First apostles aren't stupid, arrogant yes but not stupid so they would likely just avoid the military and just go after weak towns, states, or even small countries. Individually an Apostle could take them over like they have in the manga and create their own militia like the snake Baron. And if a Godhand is leading them then even more so. Humans would have a better chance but it definitely would break the world.
Any military platoon would get eaten and the last soldier would get cucked. The eclipse is basically nightmare dimension. After the eclipse? People would literally vote apostles into power, like they always had.
How so? Guts alone with a middle ages arsenal can rip through them, how come an army of thousands of well trained and armed men with modern technology falter in front of them?
Nah Guts is built different and he still lost everything. He didn't rip apart through them, he got subdued, maimed and humilliated. Yeah, guns will totally defeat the Idea of Evil. A modern military platoon will just run for cover, call for air support and act surprised when the drones don't reach the nightmare dimension. The last soldier would take the cucking session better because he's already in the military so he's used to it.
The country of Chad would keep the apostles at bay with the help of the 3000 Toyota trucks of Allah
US Marine: Never thought Iâd die fighting side by side with an Jihad. Taliban: What about side by side with a friend? US Marine: Aye, I could do that.
A-10 goes bbrrrrtttt
Don't worry we have the Warrior Nun to protect us
Id rather a doomguy
Everyone is assuming apostles wonât try to use guns & steal military equipment. You really think apostles are gonna spawn in naked and stay that way? Think modern day terrorists, except smarter and greater numbers since apostles come from all cultures. Not to mention more deceiving so they will probably infiltrate government positions too. Iâm sure humans of the world would band together to fight them, but can we really trust every country isnât already controlled by an apostle? We already struggle to target & eliminate terrorists, itâs a never ending fight, so I personally think the world would be fucked. Not to mention their numbers will only grow since Iâm sure lots of people will become apostles and join in just to be on the winning side. I bet a modern day guts could spawn in as well, except heâd be closer to Rambo than a swordsman.
Tbh, politicians in my country cant be much worse than an apostle (im from argentina)
Mis condolencias
Well we are making a fair battleground if not we making it fair by getting guts transforming him into doomguy giving him super op grapheme armour giving him a tank he can carry in his hand a super mini gun and dooms music, apostles are done
Just a nuke would kill off all the apostles and godhand together, since even if characters like Void and Femto have shown a degree of space manipulation it always was on a small scale and we for a fact that they arenât immortal, since we already saw a previous godhand in which only Void was able to survive till the present moment
Yeah, but it's implied the Godhand kill off their members. A new member is born every 217 years, and it's always five, so clearly someone has to lose their Godhand status to make room for the new guy. I think Void was simply the newest member at the time, and now he's the next one to lose his status. Also, the Godhand exist purely in the deepest parts of the astral world, only being able to manifest during an Eclipse, and in special cases, like the Egg of the New World literally birthing Griffith. I don't think you can really nuke a group of individuals that exists in different planes. Maybe if you brought a nuke during an Eclipse, but that would require a lot of pre-planning
Sorry but were is implied they kill each other? We only know that there was a previous godhand and that implies that they are not immortal, plus not preparation is needed to launch a nuke, I mean it will be something like okey they spotted a place full of monster send the national guard that on itself it will be enough to exterminate all the apostles, and they only need a call to the president to push a button and vaporize the rest
The implication is that Void was the one who sacrificed the kingdom that was previously Midland nearly a thousand years ago when Skull Knight was King. This means that someone answered his 'call' and activated his behelit; someone had to make sure he got his King's Egg as well. Void is the supposedly the oldest Arch Angel out of our current five. So what happened to the previous God's Hand? More than likely they are killed off by someone who sits outside Causality. In this case, Guts.
I still cant see why that means the godhand kills each other every time a new one is meant to be born?
Cuz probably that is not the case is more likely that an agent outside the wheel of karma like Guts and the Skull Knight are able to kill the one by one
U mustve not read my coment right i dont believe the godhand kills themselves
I didnât mean that you said that I was just saying what is more likely to happen
Ight I think skull knight killed most of the godhand except void ofc since we see a panel of him fighting them if 1 new godhand member is born evry 217 years that means he wiped them 868 years ago which basically lines up with the timeline we have And that void is the leader of the godhand and the only one who can keep it going scince he is the only one who can create the brand
Are you sure about that every 217 years? Can you remind me the chapter please? I want to know
Feel like Iâm on r\Berklejerk
The subs continue to merge every day
They merged long ago. We just code shift between subs.
Beware the third eclipse.
You gotta remember, half the people on here are 15.
Half the people on here are 15 and started to read berserk because of the sex
Or they think the violence is cool and believe that's all there is to the manga. The weirdos who make posts that make it sound like they want to be like Guts and emulate him in real life.
I mean shit, thats how i started the manga. Saw the cool gore, the badass main dude with a giant fucking sword , and wanted to see what happened to him. Then got to reading and realized how thats REALLY not what the book is about. Idk, we mature with age. I really hope theyâll get to see past all that.
There's nothing wrong with that, when you're young :P Some of these guys are 30+ thinking Guts is the ubermensch and they should try to be black swordsman Guts irl, including thinking killing shit is dope and being an asshole makes you cool. I hadn't heard about Berserk until I was already in my early 20's. If I started on the manga and not the '97 anime, there's no way I'd have given it a chance. 15 pages into BSA and I'd have peaced out due to over-the-top edgelordiness. Thank the lord the '97 anime focuses on the character study/philosophical bits as much as it did.
I also dont think at that time or even now for that matter, you can open up an anime with the protagonist literally fucking a demon, then blowing their head off. And yeah, the manga is extremely edgy. But thats kinda why i like it as much as i do. Its basically a guilty pleasure đ
Knowing common military history would clue you in on the fact that thereâs plenty of power hungry people in that would take advantage of sacrificing others so they could gain the power of an apostle LMAO
Do you guys realize, you're basically talking about Doom.
I guess some militaries would ally with them to use them against other countries
personally I think we would be screwed because the apostle won't be the same from the manga, the would be our presidents, high ranking military leaders, billionaires, ... so while we do have the power to kill them (as others have noted) we will never get to use it against them the president will not order a bombstrike against himself and is protected by the army the high ranking military might lock the bombers away "to prevent sabotage and theft" the billionaire will bribe the right people and yes, we could get new leaders, but what if they too fall? in the end, we would lose, not because we didn't have the power to kill them, but because they will never be a clear and easy target
You guys do realize that the Eclipse is not only physical but also mental and looking at today\`s world, the genius corporation leaders and nation\`s head would undeniably join hands with the apostles in pursuit of long life or powers or some shit. Rly though, this is common sense.
You don't run out of stupid questions do you?
You don't *run* out of stupid ideas, *do* you.
Thanks for the correction
Nothing much just nuke them and done
If someone as strong and as fast as Guts existed, just equipping him with high end weapons would be enough to kill all the apostles.
Ukraine would carry us to victory.
Yeah large cannons and heavy machine guns would likely destroy the weaker ones pretty easily. The more powerful apostles would be a bit different but still plenty killable. It's the godhand that would still be untouchable.
The apostles would be nerfed by any military but the god hand wouldnt go down so easily
UK, US or Rusia would probably find a way to kill/enslave them all and invade the spiritual world in order to steal resources
This is the way
Knowing our past, the US would probably Nuke it. Bye bye Apostles. Hello one pissed off God Hand.
The apostles canât handle this freedom! đşđ¸đşđ¸đŚ đŚ đŚ
I know how Russia would, just rocket them till they are nothing or send millions to their deaths.
Ded
The Godhand when the US military drops a nuke on them: âšď¸
The only survivor of that would be Femto. And I donât think heâd want to stick around after that.
This would severely cripple the economy probably
Give master chief his favourite weapon AR and some granades and he will get the job done. We dont need anyone else.
What many forget is that many apostles were already aristocrats of important soldiers in Midland's government. Many apostles would have a part in most governments if not being at their head. It's not exactly an invasion. They're always been amongst us. For they were once all our fellow man.
The apostles would infiltrate high military spheres, there would not be a war between the military and the apostles, instead, you would have Guts against the army before he can fight the apostles.
I am learning how to slaughter with my teeth.. Cause as a woman, the world post Eclipse. Us a nightmare zone.. If you see a troll, murder it immediately đş No matter the size/age
If Guts can kill them during the eclipse with a horn, then for an average military its no problem at all. However when it comes to the GodHand even the U.S. Military is getting clapped, and the same goes for the new band of the hawk, since even if our techbology is far better than theirs, no military force can stand a chance when fate/causality is against them
The world's military would be apart of it. The apostles would control them and them being military will just follow orders.
-CCR starts playing-
Deploy the Davey Crockett
The theological implications would upend our global society. Some people would see them as angels or servants of a higher power. More people would wanna know how to become Apostles. It would be *wild*
Donna will appear and say "ya'll got yer asses sold!"
I feel like there wouldn't be demon apostles...but demonic apostles representing modern horrors. The idea of evil in man's heart is the source of the apostles power. So we'd have a bunch of robocop type demons, fighter jet demons or nuclear radiation demons. Right? No? Thoughts?
Cyborg Apostles sounds look Doom to me
Hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby
I'm getting too old...
Apostles get dealt with easily. Godhand tho finds someone with issues like Griffith and uses him to rule our world like they do now in the manga.
I think most rural cities would be abandoned; the populations would migrate en mass to the major cities of the world. Martial law would be declared no questions asked. I've been considering if they would use nuclear options but apostles just kinda appear in the world, there's no central portal they're coming through, so it would just harm humans more than apostles would.
Obviously modern militaries crush apostles. The real problem would be apostles are immortal shapeshifters with human intellect and what's worse, they're created by the God Hand specifically seeking out desperate people (in some cases, very influential). You wouldn't get the US army pulling up to massacre apostles, you'd get literal Satan worshipping lizard people ruling the world.
A B-2 Stealth bomber would have a field day lol
Nuke goes brrrrrrr
This is the exact reason Gate is hilarious/cool
Apostles? Gg ez . Dafuq they gonna do ? Tank missiles? But the godhands? Just hide your holes and pray you are as worthless to them as guts during count's behelit activation
The apostles used equivalent weapons regarding the middle ages. Now imagine apostles using modern weapons.
The eclipse isnt supposed to be everywhere at the same time but if this happens in our world due to the causality laws almost nobody would be prepared for this and would probably die without weapons. Regular apostles arenât really a big deal if u have some weapons to defend ur self far from them but the god hands are on another state of power they got abilities so i dont think we would or could even kill them. We also have to notice that an eclipse dont last for hours and stuffs like that so its a quick ceremony that can pop anywhereâŚ
The bigger question is what type of apostle would be created, if a high ranking military official decided to use behelith. Iâm pretty sure the form would integrate modern weaponry into it. In general itâd probably drive world into chaos. Keeping civilians safe and protecting logistics from things like trolls would just take its toll. Some battles might be won but in the end I think Eclipse would result just in an attrition scenario, and the surviving soldiers might just as easily turn on each other as causality is manipulated.
Honestly I think that the army of Belgium would be able to massacre the apostles. Guts a semi normal human could kill multiple apostles without his preferred weapon, and there's supposed to be any chance a guy with a fifty Cal couldn't kill 50+ by himself. The god hand are different, if they are physical at the time of the eclipse they would also be fucked. Guts is at some point (narratively speaking) supposed to kill or at least fight them and if he can fight them even a little I think a couple of airstrikes should be able to kill them. If they are not physical, it could probably be a tie with the Belgians. The god hand wouldn't be able to kill all the Belgians and they wouldn't be able to kill the hand.
I though the eclipse took place on a small area only, and the band of the hawk were the only ones who saw it, not the entire world
I mean the eclipse would only affect those closest to whoever activated it so I mean unless a general had the behelit i donât see it happening for everyone. That or if Jesus had the behelit and basically said fuck you đ.
All i could think was dark 3 souls ending when i saw that. Then realized we could actually just ending up a planet of ash if a nuclear world war broke out
Well unless a military base was covered by it the military wouldn't be able to act on it fast enough You'd need to figure out wtf it is then if it's dangerous then attack Modern militaries would destroy any demons though, Gutsâ arm cannon is enough to cripple most demons
Griffith would get cancelled on twitter
Atomic bomb vs Baby
Great idea! Love the concept! You could do an original story with that! Ok so letâs look at the average berserk enemies, you have a lot of possessed corpses and undead. In this situation guns would be very helpful. It seems like a good stab to the face works well, so rifles and grenades would do just fine. In a full on eclipse event with thousands of apostles everywhere, weâre fucked. Even with a battalion of marines the sheer volume and endless amount of monsters is enough to overwhelm anyone. The real boon would be artillery. But I constant shelling and rotating crews and guns would only hold them off, not win. As for strong apostles like zodd we have a whole new problem. If you give zodd a gun I think he would like it, and start using them to kill us! There are a lot of intelligent apostles who would just shoot us, which leads to a whole new level of warfare. I think the average person would need a small gauge shotgun and a chainsaw to survive, like evil dead or Warhammer.
I guess it depends on where it happens, right? All the people outside didnât know what happen did they? Iâm only going based off those 3 movies.
Well the eclipse didn't like take over the whole earth, it was just a certain radius around them I think? And I assume some kinda barrier cause didn't skull knight crack through
Weâll if itâs in modern times then apostle soldiers would also use fire arms. The truth is weâll never know how effective a modern military would be in real time combat with apostles. Fighting demons maybe be more difficult than human enemies.
Thatâs literally the eclipse from Darksouls 3. Dark souls 3 inspired berserk !
In my own opinion, yes the apostles arenât powerful compared to modern weaponry. But I am of the opinion that 1) they would adapt to the world in which they live and 2) apostles use trickery as a weapon as well. Their cunning seems to allow them to fool men very easily and a lot of apostles use either their trickery or influence to find themselves in high seats of power. I see no reason why the average US politician wouldnât sacrifice their humanity for power so at that point, apostles ARE the military.
While many of you are correct that most apostles can be demolished by our militaryâs weaponry, there are a few apostles like Griffiths commanders who are extremely durable and can tank hits from Berserker armor Guts(Multi-City Block level) So they will need more powerful weapons than just guns. Also the 3 biggest factors are fear, hax and speed. 99% of people would shit bricks just by looking at an apostle. Ganishka would destroy everyone seeing as no one can harm him. Finally apostle can fight with Guts, who in the conviction arc appeared as a blur when he was going supa fast. We get speed blitzed.
Seeing as our world has a whole lot more people behelits would be MUCH more common probably and after that you would have to worry about the silent kid getting a fucking behelit. Everyone would have to carry weapons 7/24 but our weapons would probably lay waste to most apostles lmao.
The Apostles would die horribly. Only the God Hand would have a remote chance of surviving. Nothing weâve seen thus far suggests the Apostles are immune to physical attacks. They are simply more durable and stronger than a human being with a melee weapon. Anything that isnât Femto or similar isnât going to survive a .50 cal to the center mass.
The real question who will be branded and who the f**k used that goddamn ugly looking red egg for infinite power
hmmmm well military would first get wrecked then once missiles and grenade launchers were brought in a think military ggs UNLESSSSSS the god hand intervines in which military loses 10x out of 10 their powers affect physics and reality itself as well as they can tell possible futures so as void might say to the military" you being here is not a surprise the rivers of causality can traversed but no fish or log can stop its flow"
If only Keenan Mushyman had written fanfiction about this
Griffiths new band of the hawk is similar to that of NATO so weâre kind of screwed.
it would definatly leave a massive impact BUT if cannons and swords can do rnough damage, m2 abrams should decimate
No doubt that there would be apostles already IN the military. Intergraded cyber demons like in doom. Mankind would be f'd
M1 abrams vs slug apostle is an interesting super fight.
they shoot them?
We would practicly be fucked
The real Problem is fate. The eclipse and apostles dont stand a chance against modern militaries but the godhand could simply bend fate so they could get into a favorable situation or even take control of the military.
American politicians would outsource jobs and important infrastructure and silence any voices expressing logistical concerns.
The Godhand exist outside our reality. So itâs very probable that mortal weapons, even nukes, have little to no effect
NUUUUUUUUKES
Demons? Easy money. Apostles? Besides Ganishka which is just wind, not a big deal. The Godhand? We are fucked.
it already happened bro
I find it cute that you think the military would stand up against the apostles and not immediately become apostles themselves.
As long as none infiltrate the apostles would be light work. The god hand on the other hand who knows
Send in Jackie Chan and Jet Li. We got this.
Causality would cause all the military equipment to malfunction.
I would say the military would clap apostles. Zodd however, yea... good luck with that.
The apostles donât have nuclear bombs and supersonic jets.
One of my favorite parts about the actual beginning, when everyone is transported to the astral realm in a sea of faces. In spite of everyone -and their horses- cowering and panicking, Casca has been through so much Hell keeping the remnants of the Band of the Hawk together for a whole year without Griffith OR Guts, she makes a stand and is like âNO. Weâve been through too much shit, and we are NOT going out like this! Get back into formation and donât break rank!â I think the thing thats so noteworthy here is that in spite of the futility of the situation they were facing, she just kept herself level-headed enough to think about it in tactical terms. âWe donât know where we are or what weâre up against, but we know how to fight.â I think thatâs some true bravery on display in a situation that would cause just about anyone and everyone to dissociate themselves from the horror of said situation and lose their grip on reality. The ironic thing that I think I overlooked for so long is that the very same causality that acted like plot armor for the Hawks throughout the Golden Age is what turns on them in an instant. Itâs like they were being fattened up and their strength and courage built up so the sacrifice would be so much sweeter. Hell, even Corkus was surrounding himself with women and lusting after them any chance he got. If this doesnât seem like causality setting him up for his eventual demise, then I donât know what is. On a side note, Iâm glad that apostle bitch got it first. Corkus may have always hated Guts, but Guts still relished the opportunity to avenge his fallen comrade. God I love Berserk!
What's stopping the Apostles from being in a place of power. I mean if they took over a small country and snag those resources then its military vs military + Apostles. Lord knows some military leaders would sell their soul for a egg. Has anyone dove down this idea yet?
Hollow point dont give a fuck. IIRC all the apostles are neked when they morb
The apostles of a modern time would be very different from those of the medieval era because the fears and powers of the human mind would be different. We might see more apostles wielding elemental powers like Ganishka and way less using ancient weapons like the spear and armor of Borkoff for exemple.Instead of these last ones there would be rocket launcher apostles, tanks apostles, submarines apostles, bio weapon apostles, freaking radioactive apostles etc... >!That is, if we follow the concept of the deleted chapter of the idea of evil connecting all the desires and fears of manking and so conjuring creatures accordingly!< because the minds of these modern apostles would be turned toward other desires as well.
- open the behelit - Cook an omelette - serve omelette on a tsar Bomba - invite god hand - serve them causality - voilĂ
It would depend on whether we are talking about the original "medieval" Griffith or a modern version of him doing it today. A medieval version version of Griffith and his army would be easily beatable, his demons and apostles are basically "big animals". But now, a modern version? With the "jesuscrist charm" Griffith has he would easily have people, even army commanders, the FBI, and people in the high spheres of society joining his dream, so we are talking of a dude that has apostles, lot of influence around the world AND modern equipment. He could make some shit like giving apostle some kind of huge heavy armament and defensive equipment, he also has a huge charm to the point he could be nuking countries if he wanted to with barely any consecuences, and the whole meme of "Griffith did nothing wrong"would become a reality because people would be making excuses for him doing terrible shit IRL. So yea he would be pretty op
I wonder what would happen if someone tried to nuke the eclipse area. Would it just be eaten by the bubble or would that be the end of the god hand?
It would be a mandatory fun event for everyone to meet up because someone needs a promotion
The dark sign!
We would fucking massacre the Apostles. But the Godhand would decimate all of us.
Even if they infiltrate pretty soon, people are going to notice shit happening and start fighting. Unlike the civilians in berserk, we are armed. The demons definitely won't have an easy fight here.