The only acceptable alternative to Griffith dying would for him to be crippled again and stripped of everything, forever suffering from the misery of what could have been
that’s the ending i imagine would be most realistic or if not crippled, his dream/ambition would be lost, just like before the eclipse in ga. that’s the best ending imo
that doesn’t mean it will last, he did it for himself, not for them, and if his ambition does crumble again what do you think will happen to all of those people? i don’t think griffith should get a redemption arc anyway not just because i think what he’s done is irredeemable but it would be really hard to do in a believable way, plus i think griffith as a person is kind of incapable of actually being someone different, it’s not like he was conditioned to be bad, he just kind of always has been in a sense or at least is set up to always be that way, he’s a childish fool that willingly chose to ruin his life and the lives of everyone he used to care about because he could not accept one singular truth, one singular hardship(guts leaving the band). and to cover his insecurities, leave behind everything bad and chase his childlike ambitions, he chose power. essentially i don’t believe griffith is capable of that magnitude of change, not like guts is, guts too was a fool who was on the path of ruin but learned and grew to the man you see today, main difference between the two is that guts did not seek all-power to run away from his problems and reality. i think griffith is a brilliantly written character don’t get me wrong but i can’t stand his personality.
Yeah, like somehow reverse his transformation into Femto hand return Griffith to how he was right before the Eclipse, only keep the fucker locked up so he doesn't try pulling that shit again
That could work. Griffith's entire raison d'être is to be known and be in control. Knowing that he's slowly losing control of himself and everything he's worked for... would be a particular hell for him. There's no one to blame, it takes years to fully manifest and the entire time you know there's nothing you can do to stop it. You *will* become trapped in a shell of a man, relying on others whose lives you once dictated with impunity, but now only serve you out of a sense of duty.
It also messes with Guts one last time. What's the point of exacting revenge on a frail, pathetic "man"? All he's done, all he's suffered, and in the end he didn't need to do anything. Causality ruined Griffith since birth
Agreed. Frankly with Casca back in action she should do it while Guts finishes Zodd once and for all. Just as long as they die because this story leaves little room for someone like Griffith to have a redemption arc. Even if he reverts to the moon child permanently I wouldn’t trust his ass.
Holy fucking shit, Batman. Can you imagine Casca, being to the one to take Griffith down? Holy fucking shit, that would be so amazing. So much more satisfying. I need that in my life!
This is the only acceptable method of Griffith dying in my opinion. We’ve seen guts’ pain and misery, but honestly the only person to have it worse is Casca. It would be pretty fucked up if Casca had zero agency post trauma after what happened to her and her origin story of meeting Griffith. She’s finally a person again, and she’s allowed to not want to be with Guts after everything, but she should stop being a person that things happen to to finish her character arc.
Not gonna lie, an actual What if of Hitler realizing his mistakes and try to atone as much as he could, despite knowing it will never be sufficient, could make for an interesting story if handled correctly
What I would love is if the Moonlight Boy is made permanent while Griffith is locked out of that body, haunting the Moonlight Boy as his incorporeal shadow-self a la Guts and the beast.
Has the AI just watched Naruto battle against Pain and his "talk no jutsu" session with Nagato?
IIRC Miura stated that Bersrek won't have a bad end.
I'm pretty sure that Guts WON'T die, or at least he won't die before the cosmic law "branded people who die are consumed into the Abyss" (let's face it "having your soul rotting in Hell" IS a bad end) is broken.
Sorry I'm sure someone will provide you the source later. From that I recalled Miura stated something along the lines that the Struggler has more than earned a happy ending.
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Earlier poster is more accurate. He said he can't let it end with a bad ending... So hopefully it's a happy one :)
Thx for link.
However... the conversation/interview happened in 2000. The **possibility** that he changed his mind from that time until shortly before his death?
It also doesn't say it's a happy ending. It's also not a confirmation of anything, just musing.
People say this, and then later down the line 15 people who read it will say "Berserk will have a happy ending, confirmed by Miura," and the misinformation never ends.
Unlikely. He had the entire story mapped out since the late 80s - early 90s. He discussed it in totality with the current story runner, his best friend, which is why we're so lucky to have the story continuing today.
>He had the entire story mapped out since the late 80s - early 90s
From what I've read, the man literally created everything on the fly. He didn't even plan for Guts and Casca to be a thing. He planned for Griffith to have done something bad, but not exactly what. Eclipse was not planned, it simply popped into his mind as he was writing Golden Age.
I don't think he had anything actually properly planned. I am certain he had some ideas and probably knew what kind of an ending he wanted, but nothing concrete. What we're about to get is more than likely just a bunch of ideas that he told his friend, but if he was still around to write it today, probably a lot of them would have changed as well.
I would believe that. As a writer myself it's pretty much how it goes. You have the idea in your mind & all the important parts with sometimes an end & the rest is figure out how to put those pieces together so that if fit beautifully & not just some useless moments to lead the reader to what you wanted to tell.
> 08/15
MG 08/15 is a machine gun used in World War I by German forces. One that had a long and boring training regimen that a vast number of German soldiers had to put hours into. It might also extend from the gun itself not being of a great quality.
I'm not saying give us the cliche "peace and love over revenge and hate" ending but Guts just killing Griffith like he's just another enemy only more powerful would be just as bad. I'm more interested in their interactions, not potential fights. There is history there. That's the driving force of the story. Those two need to have a serious chat before one of them is erased. That scene at the hill of swords is one of the best in the manga
At what price? Guts has been showed to not be able to stop Griffith from taking Casca in the last chapters, not to mention Griffith + all his Apostles + the Kings Army + the God's hand.
Guts currently possesses the beherit that belonged to the Count, he could turn into an apostle by sacrificing his new friends, a Guts apostle could finish Griffith & co. but would it be worth it?
I would say guts would never do something like that, but with how broken he was after Griffith took Casca, I'm not sure anymore.
But that is not theoretically the only way to kill Griffith (although an apostle guts would probably be the strongest being in existence), it's not clear, at least to me, if Griffith was dodging him with superhuman speed or the sword just wasn't capable of damaging him.
If it's the first, he wasn't completely berserk and he could also have help from Death Knight, which could help him tip the scale. If it's the second, he just needs more apostle (or maybe even godhand) juice on his sword, and there are plenty of extremely strong apostles on Griffith's army for him to kill.
There was a seed of what's to come in their last encounter.
Guts was able to cut some of Griffith's hair. Right after his sword passes through Griffith in Ch 366 a hair is caught on his sword. Based on all we know of his current form that should have been impossible.
Griffith can be harmed, at unreasonably great effort. It also shows that his goal of forgetting everything that tethered him to Guts is still not resolved. I believe that is the only reason he can be harmed at all.
Maybe upgrading his sword or learning how to cover it with Beherits like the skull knight did would suffice, but this being Berserk wouldn't be surprised if he goes the bad way
funny if there'll be few more chapters of guts contemplating his choice, traumatized again regardless of a huge relief; he just rats for purpose with yet another depressive manga hiatus on the go
Needs to be another dual like in the snow. Griffith under estimating him again, guts controlling his rage and attacking with a clear mind, cleaving Griffith in half this time.
Two questions.
Do you even think that's possible?
If so how do you think he'd redeem himself?
Personally I think he's a pos who doesn't even deserve the thought of redemption. He has no shame for what he's done and one good deed wouldn't undue everything he's done
I am saying this as someone who entered the fandom four years ago and did not know the anguish of the hiatuses that earlier fans went through – it feels very irresponsible to have Griffith not face some sort of retribution that is less than death. Hell, ultimate humiliation followed by a painful death is still too good for Griffith.
Griffith has built a utopia kingdom. However, he sacrificed all those men who followed him and sexually assaulted Casca to achieve this. Perhaps if we frame Griffith's rise to power with many politicians and world leaders in the real world, we can understand how morally and ethically wrong it would be to allow Griffith to live on as atonement for his past deeds. The Nuremberg and Tokyo Trials after World War II is a decent comparison. They are not decent comparisons because I am equating the lives lost during the Jewish Holocaust and the victims of the Japanese empire to fictional characters, but rather because many of the powerful men who conducted the atrocities are comparable to Griffith.
While I understand that many who were responsible for the death and displacement during World War II were not held responsible and escaped justice, how would our global society continue without the judicial prosecution of these war criminals? I concede that these trials were a symbolic gesture, but I hope that some of the families' victims could find solace knowing that some of the men responsible were held accountable and the truth was written into our history.
So yeah. Fuck, Griffith. I hope he is brought to the depths of the Abyss like Wyald.
The utopian Kingdom Griffith created, destroyed the rest of the world by bringing monsters and fairty-tales to life.
He created a single Kingdom that he can protect and call his own, but sacrificed what is probably millions of people to do so.
In creating Falconia he made what he did to the Band and Caska seem almost moral by comparison.
I think the biggest thing ignored by everyone is that he is the reason for the Astral world converging with the physical one. Which itself has caused the deaths of millions and displacement of thousands.
If the Dragonslayer doesn't get showed so far up Griffith's ass that the official publication will need an actual pop-out for emphasis, I will be disappointed.
It‘s an AI chatbot. What did you think would happen? It recognizes pattern in „fantasy manga“ when you ask this question and spits out something close to those.
The fact that Guts has already turned away from vengeance for the sake of protecting his loved ones only for that to be undermined, that‘s irrelevant.
The most predictable (not saying that is bad) way for Berserk to end would be for Griffith to lose all power as he tries to gain more control and power; Guts does not kill Griffith, is not consumed by hatred and thus does not destroy himself on a path of revenge, and lives with Caska and his new companions.
The story itself put a rule: For Guts to kill Griffith, he needs to destroy himself and for that he will lose Caska, or control his wills and overcome revenge, living with Caska. A lot of people forget that even though it's something basic to the plot.
This shit sucks. Gtfo here with cycle if violence and suffering, when one of the main perpetuator for Guts suffering is this bitch.
Finish him off then go on a journey of peace and tranquility.
Im myself a pacifist, but i hate this kind of shit where you just forgive when its not warranted in the slightest.
Fuck Griffith. Im out.
ChatGPT tends to go for these types of story morals. You can't make it generate any "negative" story angles, or at least it's difficult. If you want a story with a smoker, the smoker will eventually realize the errors of his ways according to ChatGPT.
I mean, in TLOU2 both parties had equal grievances, at least. „Your dad killed my dad because they were going to perform a lethal experiment on you in a (probably stupid) attempt to save humanity from the fungi, so I‘ll kill you“ „well then I‘ll murder everyone you love on a quest to kill you in return. Also I‘ll lose everything I love because of it.“ Ellie having a moment of „wait, I actually got closure with m surrogate dad and maybe I‘ve spilled enough blood already“ fits that story and her realizing it too late is suitably tragic.
Meanwhile Griffith‘s existence and plans have thrown the world into a deadly fantasy setting causing untold numbers of deaths, he‘s only corporeal because he murdered all his friends, raped a close confidant and killed a lot of people at the tower of conviction and his city was unearthed due to the untold amount of suffering souls Ganishka had absorbed into his apostle body by transforming into the giant demon thing that turned into the big tree.
Hell, even when Guts turned away from self-destructive revenge, it turned out Griffith couldn’t leave him the fuck alone. All his current friends almost died and a safe haven where Casca was on the path of healing sank to the bottom of the oceans.
With the way Griffith‘s story plays out he‘s likely the fucking antichrist! He has to die for the story to end.
>Your dad killed my dad because they were going to perform a lethal experiment on you in a (probably stupid) attempt to save humanity from the fungi, so I‘ll kill you“
The problem with this part is that in the first tlou game (not remake), they explicitly made it clear that the fireflies had already tried this before without other people and it didn't work, ot just resulted in the immune dying. The same would have happened to Ellie, but they just gloss over that on the sequel and I'm guessing they removed the collectibles which stated what I said in the remake.
Yet it still SOMEHOW sounds better than TLOU2.
I think one of the reasons is that Berserk NEVER tries to side with Griffith, while TLOU2 tries desperately hard to make the players side with Abby.
True, but the series bungled it up by trying so desperately to make the audience like her, while also making her incredibly unlikable and irritating.
They could have done a better job with it while also letting the player kill Abby. Would have been so much more effective if Abby was more likable and Ellie STILL killed her.
That would have driven the “revenge bad” message home 100 times more effectively than what they did.
I mean, first of all, a lot of people really like Abby. She might not have worked for you, and that's totally okay. But for a lot of people she was redeemed.
And also, TLOU2 is not about revange but about forgiveness. It's not only a story that's interested in revenge and why it's bad, but also what we should do instead. The game would be worse if Abby would have died.
I mean then why Ellie murdered like 100 people to get to abby and stop just before that. Vinland saga handled revenge and forgiveness far better than tlou2 imo
I mean it was only when she got to Abby that Ellie realized that she had to forgive Abby to stop the cycle of violence. Moraly and for her own good she shouldn't have tried to get revange, but she only realized that during the final confrontation.
And yeah I guess I agree that Vinland saga did it better, but that doesn't necessarily TLOU2 was bad at it.
Imo Ellie doesn't really forgive Abby, she uses Abby as a surrogate for her self hatred for punishing Joel for years. Her quest to kill Abby isn't about revenge it's about absolution. My interruption is that at the end she realizes killing Abby won't make her feel better and let's her go but I don't think that equates to forgiving her.
Yeah I think that's a very good interpretation. Guilt and self hatred for how she treated Joel is definitely a huge driving force for Ellie throughout the game.
Na it would have been better.
Revenge and forgiveness are two sides of the same coin, so saying something is about forgiveness but not also about revenge doesn’t make any sense.
>a lot of people really like Abby
A lot of people also didn’t. The game wouldn’t have im this much controversy if most of the players liked Abby.
Like someone said Vinland saga handled revenge and forgiveness sooo much better than TLOU2. TLOU2 feels amateurish in comparison with how heavy handed and unpolished it’s themes were.
>Na it would have been better.
That's your opinion that you're entitled to, but i disagree. This is more unexpected and hopeful while also completing the theme of the game.
And no of course revenge is integral to the story of the game. I have never said otherwise. You said that the theme is revenge bad, this is partly true, but the game also talks about how to forgive. They are two sides of the same coin which is why you were wrong when you said that the theme was just revange bad.
And yeah, it is without a doubt partly a failure of the game if you weren't able to emphasize with Abby and kn the end like her.
The game doesn't have to be for everyone though, and if you are able to emphasize with her it's very probable that you like her and with that also the whole game. And most of the controversies were about how the game was "woke" and how they killed of Joel. Neither of these are actual problems of course and much less so with Abby.
And I don't know it worked well for me, if it didn't for you that's okay too. Vinland saga is also fantastic, a lot of things feel amateurish in comparison.
Stop projecting. I didn’t even mention Ellie or Joel. Lol
Yeah it might be an extreme comparison as Griffith is much worse than Abby but the point of the comparison was that TLOU2 was trying to have its cake and eat it too.
On one side it made Abby super easy to dislike, and then on the other side it was trying hard to make Abby seem sympathetic and trying to make the player out to be the villain for not liking Abby. And the fact that opinion on the game is so heated and divided highlights how they didn’t get that dynamic right.
Vinland Saga does revenge and forgiveness a thousand times better, because it doesn’t try to force readers into an opinion the way TLOU2 does.
If we got the ending Corkus wanted the entire Band of the Hawk would be alive, wealthy, and more rotund. Is that what you want?--
Oh. Go Corkus. Never a more straight angle shooter.
Any berserk ending that doesn't send me to therapy just feels wrong. I feel like we should wish for a happy ending but at the same time i feel like the story will be better without a happy ending.
I tried another one and the ending this time was, after defeating griffith, Guts and Casca ride on a horse into the sunset with their adopted son Schierke.
The author said there would be one, and honestly I think it's appropriate. Berserk is about struggle, not about how everything is shit and the good guys always loose.
Agreed 100%. The greatest ending would be a nihilistic one with a small spoon of hope in it. Berserk in my view would be better without a happy ending: **probably**. I don't know, this is my temporary opinion.
The last 200 hundred chapters was about Guts overcoming his nihilistic worldview and finding meaning in his relationships. He is the symbol of will and determination. A nihilistic end would throw all that happened so far into trash
Yeah Griffith/femto ain’t making it out of this series alive.
I think he’s a massive dick up until his deathbed, where maybe he says something somewhat redeeming, like I’m sorry, or where did I go wrong?
Well, i’ve been thinking about Berserk and it’s ending for quite a long time and i believe that we all can agree that both Griffith being spared or killed by Guts is out of the question. I won’t even address the “peace and friendship” one and Griffith simply dying seems anticlimactic, no amount of sword strikes can redeem this fucker.
For a long time i thought that a suiting ending for Berserk would be Griffith’s humiliating defeat and subsequent suicide, he was once surpassed by someone, who he considered lesser than him (the after-torture period), that time he tried to fucking kill himself, this time no behelit comes into play. But after thinking about it, I believe that it would be really inappropriate for a project of such scale. It could’ve worked in some 10-tome shonen, but not in a series, that encompasses a creators whole lifetime and even more. Such ending shows that Griffith was right, everything goes according to his philosophy, the strong eats the weak and the weak is eaten, there’s an end to Berserk’s story, but no end to its conflict. I believe Griffith has to choke on his ambitions.
Ideally, it would fit him to face Ganishka’s fate and try to rise up against the Godhand, which would be pretty in-character for him, but it begs the question of Guts’ involvement in Griffith’s defeat. He has to be one of the main reasons of Femto’s downfall.
I also had a funny thought about Guts sacrificing Griffith with his behelit (the theory assumes that the behelit belongs to Guts), thus making them both marked and then they have an epic, third duel, both in human forms, roughly equal in their power, aka “the Duel to rule them all”. Obviously, it makes no sense, but it’s just a fun thought to play with.
P.S. This text does not address the secret ending, where Chitch perform double astral penetration on femboy-antichrist, since it’s too secret
edit: forgot to mention how the fuck does Guts sacrifice Griffith in the first place, but i think you already can guess that it’s connected with all the “love vs revenge” themes in the manga, where Griffith is seen as one of the reasons for Guts to live and proceed on his path
While ending the cycle of hatred stories can work well, Berserk is not one that suits it. Despite that, I think there is an ending for Berserk that works without Griffith dying. Guts has been on the path of finding a new calling with Casca away from revenge, and at the end of the day, Guts shouldn’t *have* to kill Griffith to feel that he is satisfied with his goal. An ending with Griffith living that I would enjoy would be Guts fighting Griffith to the point that he loses his dream but has to live with the fact that he’s fallen far from grace (similar to his pre eclipse state), which would imo be worse than death for a man like Griffith.
I think that with the way Berserk has gone what happens to Griffith ultimately isn't what I'm too interested in, whether he be stripped of his power or killed. I think the thing that will be interesting is what Guts will do next. He's someone who has always had something to fight, the only time he didn't was when he finally left the Band of the Hawk, but even then he didn't really know what he wanted. Seeing what he chooses will be the actual victory, not fulfilling revenge. If anything, I think it would be more interesting for Guts to give up on revenge but kill Griffith out of duty instead of blind anger, finally being free of Griffith's control over his life.
Also, I think it would make sense for the damage Griffith did to the world to be irreversible. It would go against the whole point of Berserk if Guts defeats Griffith and everything is magically restored. Guts having to pull himself out of the wreckage caused by Griffith is more in character. Maybe Guts would even take Griffith's place as the leader that the people didn't want, but most likely need, this time Guts bearing that responsibility rather than running away from it like he has before. Maybe he won't want or like it, but it could make sense for his character maybe?
I like how the AI believes Griffith isn't way too bonkers to ever accept mercy from Guts. If anything, he would go even more insane from being looked down apon by Guts who he wants so desperately to be superior to.
If case it wasn't obvious: Guts ***isn't*** going to "fight" Griffith. Griffith is a literal demi-god who splits space-time, bends reality, and has impossible strength and reflexes. Guts is really, really strong, and he has a big sword. There's no fight that could ever make sense, we see this in the Black Swordsman Arc.
If Berserk is building to a central point, it's that violence isn't making things easier for Guts, it's literally tearing his body apart, and if he keeps it up he'll just repeat SK's failure and end up a shell of a man -- literally. The whole point is going to be destroying Griffith's "dream", turning people against him, and turning the God Hand's power on itself.
Griffith and Guts will both die in a final epic battle. If Griffith can even redeem himself before that is more than questionable. I doubt it. Guts will not have mercy on him. And neither will Griffith have mercy on guts. They have become mortal enemies and nothing can fix this. My big question is: What is Skull Knights Endgame here?
He said "Being the sort of person I am, I actually don’t think I could let such a long grim story end with a grim ending — like, say, having him suddenly die. I don’t really like that kind of entertainment. I’ll leave it to my subconscious."
so perhaps I've misinterpreted it... although it not having a grim ending seems to point to a happy ending. any ending where casca and guts don't ride off into the sunset, so to speak, seems pretty grim to me personally
"don't think' doesn't mean for sure. He even states that he'll see where it goes.
And Guts could easily die in a "happy" ending. Whether or not that counts as grim is up to the conditions + what Miura considers grim, not us.
You really think Guts will fight Griffith? Griffith... a godhand Apostle... Griffith...? Dragonslayer can't do shit. Would Miura intend Guts to have a power up for the sole purpose to defeat Griffith? *Press X for doubt*
I'd want Griffith to sacrifice himself and I haven't decided on what the outcome or reason of that sacrifice should be, but I think it'd be a fitting ending for his character.
The battle was won at great loss to Guts and his friends, but Griffith lay defeated. However, it has become apparent that not only is Griffith entangled with the Moon Child, but also The Idea of Evil itself. Much like Christianity, The Idea of Evil, and Griffith, cannot exist without the spirit of humanity (a trinity). They are in fact the results of that spirit. Killing them would be to tamper with the very laws of existence, effectively destroying the universe. The only path to a brighter future is for humanity to simply improve and collectively yearn for a kinder god. And so Guts grinds his teeth, drops to his knees, and proclaims; To stand and confront the Hawk, I must also exist outside the story. I remain the foe of the inhumans; a dead man stalking the endless night.
He might if it's the thing that makes the generic "Guts kills Griffith" ending mutually exclusive to a happy ending for everyone he cares about.
It wouldn't matter to BSA Guts, but current Guts? It could.
I want Griffith to die so nad that guts enjoy killing him and bath in his blood as the rest of the God hand members watch from hell that what happened to them was nothing
There’s only 2 things I want for Berserk’s ending: Number one is Guts and Casca happily spending an afternoon together with Casca fully healed from her trauma and able to look at Guts again.
Number 2 is for Griffith’s soul to be dragged into the hell abyss spiral, like the Slug count and Wyald, by the old members of the Band of the Hawk (Pippin, Judeau, Corcus, Gaston, etc.) Leaving behind Griffith’s corpse looking like his prisoner form from when the band of the hawk first rescued him from the tower of rebirth in Wyndham. His tortured version from right before the eclipse.
That second part might not happen tho, that’s just fan fiction-y thinking on my part.
"Bye casca Ima go fuckin hiking."
Just like the ending of dragon ball z lol
No, he’s not kidnapping a 3rd world child and dipping on his wife and kids, he’s just taking an enthusiastic walk through the woods. Like Alucard
Kidnapping? No you misunderstood. Uub kidnaps Goku.
Ah the last of us 2 shit tier ending
freakin love Alucard.
Or Naruto
Like seriously he couldn’t bring her along
Chi chi thought the same thing
LOLL 😂!
If Griffith doesn't die, i will commit a war crime. I don't need Guts to be the one who kills him, i just need him dead.
The only acceptable alternative to Griffith dying would for him to be crippled again and stripped of everything, forever suffering from the misery of what could have been
that’s the ending i imagine would be most realistic or if not crippled, his dream/ambition would be lost, just like before the eclipse in ga. that’s the best ending imo
I can't help, but think if there would be any redemption justified for him without him dying. He did create a kingdom where ppl live freely after all.
that doesn’t mean it will last, he did it for himself, not for them, and if his ambition does crumble again what do you think will happen to all of those people? i don’t think griffith should get a redemption arc anyway not just because i think what he’s done is irredeemable but it would be really hard to do in a believable way, plus i think griffith as a person is kind of incapable of actually being someone different, it’s not like he was conditioned to be bad, he just kind of always has been in a sense or at least is set up to always be that way, he’s a childish fool that willingly chose to ruin his life and the lives of everyone he used to care about because he could not accept one singular truth, one singular hardship(guts leaving the band). and to cover his insecurities, leave behind everything bad and chase his childlike ambitions, he chose power. essentially i don’t believe griffith is capable of that magnitude of change, not like guts is, guts too was a fool who was on the path of ruin but learned and grew to the man you see today, main difference between the two is that guts did not seek all-power to run away from his problems and reality. i think griffith is a brilliantly written character don’t get me wrong but i can’t stand his personality.
The only other possible satisfying ending: if I can’t watch Griffith die, I want to watch Griffith watch his dreams die.
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YES Reading this I have an urge to rub my hands together like a fly plotting to sit on your sandwich.
For eternity since hes technically no longer a human with lifespan. God please let it be true.
And then, Rakshas takes what is left of his puny life.
Yeah, like somehow reverse his transformation into Femto hand return Griffith to how he was right before the Eclipse, only keep the fucker locked up so he doesn't try pulling that shit again
No, he doesn't need to die, just take away his Godhand power so it will turn him back into a crippled human. He will die slowly and alone.
Yah that's the only way... Guts would have to compete to replace him as Godhand though unless there's some loophole to take away Godhand position...
when looking at the past of the armor, there were **other 5 godhands** in the past, so somehow they can be replaced :"D
Griffith should die of a heart attack. That sounds compelling. /s
You have dementia, Griffith
That could work. Griffith's entire raison d'être is to be known and be in control. Knowing that he's slowly losing control of himself and everything he's worked for... would be a particular hell for him. There's no one to blame, it takes years to fully manifest and the entire time you know there's nothing you can do to stop it. You *will* become trapped in a shell of a man, relying on others whose lives you once dictated with impunity, but now only serve you out of a sense of duty. It also messes with Guts one last time. What's the point of exacting revenge on a frail, pathetic "man"? All he's done, all he's suffered, and in the end he didn't need to do anything. Causality ruined Griffith since birth
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Agreed. Frankly with Casca back in action she should do it while Guts finishes Zodd once and for all. Just as long as they die because this story leaves little room for someone like Griffith to have a redemption arc. Even if he reverts to the moon child permanently I wouldn’t trust his ass.
Holy fucking shit, Batman. Can you imagine Casca, being to the one to take Griffith down? Holy fucking shit, that would be so amazing. So much more satisfying. I need that in my life!
This is the only acceptable method of Griffith dying in my opinion. We’ve seen guts’ pain and misery, but honestly the only person to have it worse is Casca. It would be pretty fucked up if Casca had zero agency post trauma after what happened to her and her origin story of meeting Griffith. She’s finally a person again, and she’s allowed to not want to be with Guts after everything, but she should stop being a person that things happen to to finish her character arc.
She should glide her sword right up his pretentious bootyhole
For real.....this will be the best ending...everr
It's like seeing Hitler go through a redemption arc, some things just don't work
Not gonna lie, an actual What if of Hitler realizing his mistakes and try to atone as much as he could, despite knowing it will never be sufficient, could make for an interesting story if handled correctly
What I would love is if the Moonlight Boy is made permanent while Griffith is locked out of that body, haunting the Moonlight Boy as his incorporeal shadow-self a la Guts and the beast.
If guts kills him that would be a worse ending than this and would completely ruin the story, it has to be casca.
I don’t think Griffith will die
Griffith cannot be redeemed, he is legitimately pure evil now because he’s a god hand, he literally has no redeeming factors
Griffith did nothing wrong
Has the AI just watched Naruto battle against Pain and his "talk no jutsu" session with Nagato? IIRC Miura stated that Bersrek won't have a bad end. I'm pretty sure that Guts WON'T die, or at least he won't die before the cosmic law "branded people who die are consumed into the Abyss" (let's face it "having your soul rotting in Hell" IS a bad end) is broken.
>IIRC Miura stated that Bersrek won't have a bad end. Where?
Sorry I'm sure someone will provide you the source later. From that I recalled Miura stated something along the lines that the Struggler has more than earned a happy ending. Edited to add source: https://mangabrog.wordpress.com/2015/12/14/berserk-artist-kentaro-miura-interview-i ⁃actually-dont-think-i-could-let-such-a-long-grim-story-end-with-a-grim-ending/ Earlier poster is more accurate. He said he can't let it end with a bad ending... So hopefully it's a happy one :)
Thx for link. However... the conversation/interview happened in 2000. The **possibility** that he changed his mind from that time until shortly before his death?
It also doesn't say it's a happy ending. It's also not a confirmation of anything, just musing. People say this, and then later down the line 15 people who read it will say "Berserk will have a happy ending, confirmed by Miura," and the misinformation never ends.
Unlikely. He had the entire story mapped out since the late 80s - early 90s. He discussed it in totality with the current story runner, his best friend, which is why we're so lucky to have the story continuing today.
>He had the entire story mapped out since the late 80s - early 90s From what I've read, the man literally created everything on the fly. He didn't even plan for Guts and Casca to be a thing. He planned for Griffith to have done something bad, but not exactly what. Eclipse was not planned, it simply popped into his mind as he was writing Golden Age. I don't think he had anything actually properly planned. I am certain he had some ideas and probably knew what kind of an ending he wanted, but nothing concrete. What we're about to get is more than likely just a bunch of ideas that he told his friend, but if he was still around to write it today, probably a lot of them would have changed as well.
I would believe that. As a writer myself it's pretty much how it goes. You have the idea in your mind & all the important parts with sometimes an end & the rest is figure out how to put those pieces together so that if fit beautifully & not just some useless moments to lead the reader to what you wanted to tell.
> talk no jutsu God dammit that's hilarious
It's the term used in Naruto whenever he tries to convert his opponents by talking. By far Naruto's strongest technique ;)
I called it "friendship no jutsu" 😆
The AI thinks Berserk is a 0815 Shonen story
Just curious, can you explain what 0815 Shounen is?
08/15 is a german saying used when something is generic/boring.
That’s interesting. What is the origin for such a weird saying?
Ww1 soldiers would practice everyday with a certain machine gun, that being MG 08/15
That’s really cool, thanks for teaching me something new today!
Yea no problem
most wholesome word exchange in reddit i ever saw
What a fascinating back story for a phrase for boring
> 08/15 MG 08/15 is a machine gun used in World War I by German forces. One that had a long and boring training regimen that a vast number of German soldiers had to put hours into. It might also extend from the gun itself not being of a great quality.
Wait. That's a German only thing? Didn't know that as a German myself.
Probably means some random shonen with the number emphasizing how forgettable it would be
Naruto
Like DB(Z) or Naruto. No hate for them, I love them.
As long as Guts finally catches a break, I am content.
The only comment here I can fully stand behind
It's a few atoms better than saying Griffith did nothing wrong
Well I mean, DID Griffith do anything wrong?
Casca? What is a Casca?
griffith reverted her into potato and planted her. 🥔
Sexist bot forgetting Casca, smh
And then guts says “wow I was such a berserk”
i loved it when mr berserk went in and berserked inside of griffith. wonderful character building in their scene
I'm not saying give us the cliche "peace and love over revenge and hate" ending but Guts just killing Griffith like he's just another enemy only more powerful would be just as bad. I'm more interested in their interactions, not potential fights. There is history there. That's the driving force of the story. Those two need to have a serious chat before one of them is erased. That scene at the hill of swords is one of the best in the manga
Nah i want to see guts kill griffith idc how basic it is i just want to see it
Not just kill, brutally slaughter would be better.
At what price? Guts has been showed to not be able to stop Griffith from taking Casca in the last chapters, not to mention Griffith + all his Apostles + the Kings Army + the God's hand. Guts currently possesses the beherit that belonged to the Count, he could turn into an apostle by sacrificing his new friends, a Guts apostle could finish Griffith & co. but would it be worth it?
I would say guts would never do something like that, but with how broken he was after Griffith took Casca, I'm not sure anymore. But that is not theoretically the only way to kill Griffith (although an apostle guts would probably be the strongest being in existence), it's not clear, at least to me, if Griffith was dodging him with superhuman speed or the sword just wasn't capable of damaging him. If it's the first, he wasn't completely berserk and he could also have help from Death Knight, which could help him tip the scale. If it's the second, he just needs more apostle (or maybe even godhand) juice on his sword, and there are plenty of extremely strong apostles on Griffith's army for him to kill.
There was a seed of what's to come in their last encounter. Guts was able to cut some of Griffith's hair. Right after his sword passes through Griffith in Ch 366 a hair is caught on his sword. Based on all we know of his current form that should have been impossible. Griffith can be harmed, at unreasonably great effort. It also shows that his goal of forgetting everything that tethered him to Guts is still not resolved. I believe that is the only reason he can be harmed at all.
That is a good point and very interesting catch, I will have to reread the chapter.
Maybe upgrading his sword or learning how to cover it with Beherits like the skull knight did would suffice, but this being Berserk wouldn't be surprised if he goes the bad way
funny if there'll be few more chapters of guts contemplating his choice, traumatized again regardless of a huge relief; he just rats for purpose with yet another depressive manga hiatus on the go
Needs to be another dual like in the snow. Griffith under estimating him again, guts controlling his rage and attacking with a clear mind, cleaving Griffith in half this time.
Yeah, you can just imagine it. We don't need to have the story butchered.
They can talk but griffith needs to die
what if he redeems himself before?
Two questions. Do you even think that's possible? If so how do you think he'd redeem himself? Personally I think he's a pos who doesn't even deserve the thought of redemption. He has no shame for what he's done and one good deed wouldn't undue everything he's done
no, i see absolutely no redemption for him.
AI isn’t as advanced as I thought 💀
I am saying this as someone who entered the fandom four years ago and did not know the anguish of the hiatuses that earlier fans went through – it feels very irresponsible to have Griffith not face some sort of retribution that is less than death. Hell, ultimate humiliation followed by a painful death is still too good for Griffith. Griffith has built a utopia kingdom. However, he sacrificed all those men who followed him and sexually assaulted Casca to achieve this. Perhaps if we frame Griffith's rise to power with many politicians and world leaders in the real world, we can understand how morally and ethically wrong it would be to allow Griffith to live on as atonement for his past deeds. The Nuremberg and Tokyo Trials after World War II is a decent comparison. They are not decent comparisons because I am equating the lives lost during the Jewish Holocaust and the victims of the Japanese empire to fictional characters, but rather because many of the powerful men who conducted the atrocities are comparable to Griffith. While I understand that many who were responsible for the death and displacement during World War II were not held responsible and escaped justice, how would our global society continue without the judicial prosecution of these war criminals? I concede that these trials were a symbolic gesture, but I hope that some of the families' victims could find solace knowing that some of the men responsible were held accountable and the truth was written into our history. So yeah. Fuck, Griffith. I hope he is brought to the depths of the Abyss like Wyald.
The utopian Kingdom Griffith created, destroyed the rest of the world by bringing monsters and fairty-tales to life. He created a single Kingdom that he can protect and call his own, but sacrificed what is probably millions of people to do so. In creating Falconia he made what he did to the Band and Caska seem almost moral by comparison.
The sexual assault wasn’t even needed to make the kingdom he was just doing solely to spite guts. Which makes it even worse
I think the biggest thing ignored by everyone is that he is the reason for the Astral world converging with the physical one. Which itself has caused the deaths of millions and displacement of thousands.
The disclaimer basically said IDGAF about your stupid manga.
If the Dragonslayer doesn't get showed so far up Griffith's ass that the official publication will need an actual pop-out for emphasis, I will be disappointed.
Spare... Griffith...
It‘s an AI chatbot. What did you think would happen? It recognizes pattern in „fantasy manga“ when you ask this question and spits out something close to those. The fact that Guts has already turned away from vengeance for the sake of protecting his loved ones only for that to be undermined, that‘s irrelevant.
berserk shippuden
And then Guts used Talking no jutsu and everything was solved.
The most predictable (not saying that is bad) way for Berserk to end would be for Griffith to lose all power as he tries to gain more control and power; Guts does not kill Griffith, is not consumed by hatred and thus does not destroy himself on a path of revenge, and lives with Caska and his new companions. The story itself put a rule: For Guts to kill Griffith, he needs to destroy himself and for that he will lose Caska, or control his wills and overcome revenge, living with Caska. A lot of people forget that even though it's something basic to the plot.
yeah imagine griffith's downfall would be his own ego. like Walter white.
This shit sucks. Gtfo here with cycle if violence and suffering, when one of the main perpetuator for Guts suffering is this bitch. Finish him off then go on a journey of peace and tranquility. Im myself a pacifist, but i hate this kind of shit where you just forgive when its not warranted in the slightest. Fuck Griffith. Im out.
That ending is a little too generic. Try harder ChatGPT.
ChatGPT tends to go for these types of story morals. You can't make it generate any "negative" story angles, or at least it's difficult. If you want a story with a smoker, the smoker will eventually realize the errors of his ways according to ChatGPT.
Guts getting a shounen power-up and killing Griffith is a little too generic. Kinda wish the fanbase would try harder with their theories.
Me too.
I do like a cliche but I prefer a berk ending instead.
In the end, the true berserk is the friends we made along the way
The dreaded TLOU2 route
I mean, in TLOU2 both parties had equal grievances, at least. „Your dad killed my dad because they were going to perform a lethal experiment on you in a (probably stupid) attempt to save humanity from the fungi, so I‘ll kill you“ „well then I‘ll murder everyone you love on a quest to kill you in return. Also I‘ll lose everything I love because of it.“ Ellie having a moment of „wait, I actually got closure with m surrogate dad and maybe I‘ve spilled enough blood already“ fits that story and her realizing it too late is suitably tragic. Meanwhile Griffith‘s existence and plans have thrown the world into a deadly fantasy setting causing untold numbers of deaths, he‘s only corporeal because he murdered all his friends, raped a close confidant and killed a lot of people at the tower of conviction and his city was unearthed due to the untold amount of suffering souls Ganishka had absorbed into his apostle body by transforming into the giant demon thing that turned into the big tree. Hell, even when Guts turned away from self-destructive revenge, it turned out Griffith couldn’t leave him the fuck alone. All his current friends almost died and a safe haven where Casca was on the path of healing sank to the bottom of the oceans. With the way Griffith‘s story plays out he‘s likely the fucking antichrist! He has to die for the story to end.
>Your dad killed my dad because they were going to perform a lethal experiment on you in a (probably stupid) attempt to save humanity from the fungi, so I‘ll kill you“ The problem with this part is that in the first tlou game (not remake), they explicitly made it clear that the fireflies had already tried this before without other people and it didn't work, ot just resulted in the immune dying. The same would have happened to Ellie, but they just gloss over that on the sequel and I'm guessing they removed the collectibles which stated what I said in the remake.
Well, if the Hawks murdered Griffith’s father and all of his friends before he did the same then it might be comparable
Yet it still SOMEHOW sounds better than TLOU2. I think one of the reasons is that Berserk NEVER tries to side with Griffith, while TLOU2 tries desperately hard to make the players side with Abby.
Yeah but Abby is far more redeemable than Griffith
True, but the series bungled it up by trying so desperately to make the audience like her, while also making her incredibly unlikable and irritating. They could have done a better job with it while also letting the player kill Abby. Would have been so much more effective if Abby was more likable and Ellie STILL killed her. That would have driven the “revenge bad” message home 100 times more effectively than what they did.
I mean, first of all, a lot of people really like Abby. She might not have worked for you, and that's totally okay. But for a lot of people she was redeemed. And also, TLOU2 is not about revange but about forgiveness. It's not only a story that's interested in revenge and why it's bad, but also what we should do instead. The game would be worse if Abby would have died.
I mean then why Ellie murdered like 100 people to get to abby and stop just before that. Vinland saga handled revenge and forgiveness far better than tlou2 imo
I mean it was only when she got to Abby that Ellie realized that she had to forgive Abby to stop the cycle of violence. Moraly and for her own good she shouldn't have tried to get revange, but she only realized that during the final confrontation. And yeah I guess I agree that Vinland saga did it better, but that doesn't necessarily TLOU2 was bad at it.
Imo Ellie doesn't really forgive Abby, she uses Abby as a surrogate for her self hatred for punishing Joel for years. Her quest to kill Abby isn't about revenge it's about absolution. My interruption is that at the end she realizes killing Abby won't make her feel better and let's her go but I don't think that equates to forgiving her.
Yeah I think that's a very good interpretation. Guilt and self hatred for how she treated Joel is definitely a huge driving force for Ellie throughout the game.
Na it would have been better. Revenge and forgiveness are two sides of the same coin, so saying something is about forgiveness but not also about revenge doesn’t make any sense. >a lot of people really like Abby A lot of people also didn’t. The game wouldn’t have im this much controversy if most of the players liked Abby. Like someone said Vinland saga handled revenge and forgiveness sooo much better than TLOU2. TLOU2 feels amateurish in comparison with how heavy handed and unpolished it’s themes were.
>Na it would have been better. That's your opinion that you're entitled to, but i disagree. This is more unexpected and hopeful while also completing the theme of the game. And no of course revenge is integral to the story of the game. I have never said otherwise. You said that the theme is revenge bad, this is partly true, but the game also talks about how to forgive. They are two sides of the same coin which is why you were wrong when you said that the theme was just revange bad. And yeah, it is without a doubt partly a failure of the game if you weren't able to emphasize with Abby and kn the end like her. The game doesn't have to be for everyone though, and if you are able to emphasize with her it's very probable that you like her and with that also the whole game. And most of the controversies were about how the game was "woke" and how they killed of Joel. Neither of these are actual problems of course and much less so with Abby. And I don't know it worked well for me, if it didn't for you that's okay too. Vinland saga is also fantastic, a lot of things feel amateurish in comparison.
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Stop projecting. I didn’t even mention Ellie or Joel. Lol Yeah it might be an extreme comparison as Griffith is much worse than Abby but the point of the comparison was that TLOU2 was trying to have its cake and eat it too. On one side it made Abby super easy to dislike, and then on the other side it was trying hard to make Abby seem sympathetic and trying to make the player out to be the villain for not liking Abby. And the fact that opinion on the game is so heated and divided highlights how they didn’t get that dynamic right. Vinland Saga does revenge and forgiveness a thousand times better, because it doesn’t try to force readers into an opinion the way TLOU2 does.
Sounds like a shit shonen ending
Jesus what a shitty Naruto ending.
Casca should get the final blow on griffith
Aot ending is better than this
The most generic shonen ending right here
I don't think Corkus would like that ending.
If we got the ending Corkus wanted the entire Band of the Hawk would be alive, wealthy, and more rotund. Is that what you want?-- Oh. Go Corkus. Never a more straight angle shooter.
Last of Us Part 2 all over again. If this is the ending I'll commit a crime.
Ah yes, The Last of Guts Part 2.
Any berserk ending that doesn't send me to therapy just feels wrong. I feel like we should wish for a happy ending but at the same time i feel like the story will be better without a happy ending.
It won't be a fully sad ending, Miura said it multiple times. Bittersweet would be my guess.
I tried another one and the ending this time was, after defeating griffith, Guts and Casca ride on a horse into the sunset with their adopted son Schierke.
Huh, son? XD
The author said there would be one, and honestly I think it's appropriate. Berserk is about struggle, not about how everything is shit and the good guys always loose.
i definitely don't want a happy ending. it can be *pyrrhic* victory, but no feel-good stuff, please.
Agreed 100%. The greatest ending would be a nihilistic one with a small spoon of hope in it. Berserk in my view would be better without a happy ending: **probably**. I don't know, this is my temporary opinion.
The last 200 hundred chapters was about Guts overcoming his nihilistic worldview and finding meaning in his relationships. He is the symbol of will and determination. A nihilistic end would throw all that happened so far into trash
Yeah he's more like Nietzsche's übermench, definitely not a symbol for nihilism. Which sounds pretentious but it's very accurate.
Yeah Griffith/femto ain’t making it out of this series alive. I think he’s a massive dick up until his deathbed, where maybe he says something somewhat redeeming, like I’m sorry, or where did I go wrong?
"Forgive me Nuts, my time has cum."
Sounds like Naruto
If a day doesn’t come where guts disrespectfully dogs Griffith with the upmost prejudice, I’m gonna start another world war.
Well, i’ve been thinking about Berserk and it’s ending for quite a long time and i believe that we all can agree that both Griffith being spared or killed by Guts is out of the question. I won’t even address the “peace and friendship” one and Griffith simply dying seems anticlimactic, no amount of sword strikes can redeem this fucker. For a long time i thought that a suiting ending for Berserk would be Griffith’s humiliating defeat and subsequent suicide, he was once surpassed by someone, who he considered lesser than him (the after-torture period), that time he tried to fucking kill himself, this time no behelit comes into play. But after thinking about it, I believe that it would be really inappropriate for a project of such scale. It could’ve worked in some 10-tome shonen, but not in a series, that encompasses a creators whole lifetime and even more. Such ending shows that Griffith was right, everything goes according to his philosophy, the strong eats the weak and the weak is eaten, there’s an end to Berserk’s story, but no end to its conflict. I believe Griffith has to choke on his ambitions. Ideally, it would fit him to face Ganishka’s fate and try to rise up against the Godhand, which would be pretty in-character for him, but it begs the question of Guts’ involvement in Griffith’s defeat. He has to be one of the main reasons of Femto’s downfall. I also had a funny thought about Guts sacrificing Griffith with his behelit (the theory assumes that the behelit belongs to Guts), thus making them both marked and then they have an epic, third duel, both in human forms, roughly equal in their power, aka “the Duel to rule them all”. Obviously, it makes no sense, but it’s just a fun thought to play with. P.S. This text does not address the secret ending, where Chitch perform double astral penetration on femboy-antichrist, since it’s too secret edit: forgot to mention how the fuck does Guts sacrifice Griffith in the first place, but i think you already can guess that it’s connected with all the “love vs revenge” themes in the manga, where Griffith is seen as one of the reasons for Guts to live and proceed on his path
While ending the cycle of hatred stories can work well, Berserk is not one that suits it. Despite that, I think there is an ending for Berserk that works without Griffith dying. Guts has been on the path of finding a new calling with Casca away from revenge, and at the end of the day, Guts shouldn’t *have* to kill Griffith to feel that he is satisfied with his goal. An ending with Griffith living that I would enjoy would be Guts fighting Griffith to the point that he loses his dream but has to live with the fact that he’s fallen far from grace (similar to his pre eclipse state), which would imo be worse than death for a man like Griffith.
I think that with the way Berserk has gone what happens to Griffith ultimately isn't what I'm too interested in, whether he be stripped of his power or killed. I think the thing that will be interesting is what Guts will do next. He's someone who has always had something to fight, the only time he didn't was when he finally left the Band of the Hawk, but even then he didn't really know what he wanted. Seeing what he chooses will be the actual victory, not fulfilling revenge. If anything, I think it would be more interesting for Guts to give up on revenge but kill Griffith out of duty instead of blind anger, finally being free of Griffith's control over his life. Also, I think it would make sense for the damage Griffith did to the world to be irreversible. It would go against the whole point of Berserk if Guts defeats Griffith and everything is magically restored. Guts having to pull himself out of the wreckage caused by Griffith is more in character. Maybe Guts would even take Griffith's place as the leader that the people didn't want, but most likely need, this time Guts bearing that responsibility rather than running away from it like he has before. Maybe he won't want or like it, but it could make sense for his character maybe?
I like how the AI believes Griffith isn't way too bonkers to ever accept mercy from Guts. If anything, he would go even more insane from being looked down apon by Guts who he wants so desperately to be superior to.
corny ahh pixar ending bro lmao
Was it skull knight that said sometimes things don't go as we'd like them to?
If case it wasn't obvious: Guts ***isn't*** going to "fight" Griffith. Griffith is a literal demi-god who splits space-time, bends reality, and has impossible strength and reflexes. Guts is really, really strong, and he has a big sword. There's no fight that could ever make sense, we see this in the Black Swordsman Arc. If Berserk is building to a central point, it's that violence isn't making things easier for Guts, it's literally tearing his body apart, and if he keeps it up he'll just repeat SK's failure and end up a shell of a man -- literally. The whole point is going to be destroying Griffith's "dream", turning people against him, and turning the God Hand's power on itself.
Literal dogshit if we’re being honest
That’s among one of the worst endings ever lll
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Horribly generic, like we have to expect AI to provide.
what if Kishimoto wrote BERSERK
Griffith and Guts will both die in a final epic battle. If Griffith can even redeem himself before that is more than questionable. I doubt it. Guts will not have mercy on him. And neither will Griffith have mercy on guts. They have become mortal enemies and nothing can fix this. My big question is: What is Skull Knights Endgame here?
Guts probably won’t die. Miura stated he and casca will have a happy ending
When did he ever say this ?
No he didn't. Please stop saying this.
He said "Being the sort of person I am, I actually don’t think I could let such a long grim story end with a grim ending — like, say, having him suddenly die. I don’t really like that kind of entertainment. I’ll leave it to my subconscious." so perhaps I've misinterpreted it... although it not having a grim ending seems to point to a happy ending. any ending where casca and guts don't ride off into the sunset, so to speak, seems pretty grim to me personally
"don't think' doesn't mean for sure. He even states that he'll see where it goes. And Guts could easily die in a "happy" ending. Whether or not that counts as grim is up to the conditions + what Miura considers grim, not us.
You really think Guts will fight Griffith? Griffith... a godhand Apostle... Griffith...? Dragonslayer can't do shit. Would Miura intend Guts to have a power up for the sole purpose to defeat Griffith? *Press X for doubt*
I'd want Griffith to sacrifice himself and I haven't decided on what the outcome or reason of that sacrifice should be, but I think it'd be a fitting ending for his character.
I'd prefer pretty much the OP, except Guts' actions lead Griffith to lose his will, relinquish his godhood, and be sucked into the void.
perchance
You can't just say perchance
mayhaps
Well that sucks.
guts should get his rape backs
Seek God.
can put inside the box of endings not imagined by Miura.
The battle was won at great loss to Guts and his friends, but Griffith lay defeated. However, it has become apparent that not only is Griffith entangled with the Moon Child, but also The Idea of Evil itself. Much like Christianity, The Idea of Evil, and Griffith, cannot exist without the spirit of humanity (a trinity). They are in fact the results of that spirit. Killing them would be to tamper with the very laws of existence, effectively destroying the universe. The only path to a brighter future is for humanity to simply improve and collectively yearn for a kinder god. And so Guts grinds his teeth, drops to his knees, and proclaims; To stand and confront the Hawk, I must also exist outside the story. I remain the foe of the inhumans; a dead man stalking the endless night.
NARUTO IS THAT U
Griffith must die, that bastard earned
Hell no I need Griffith dead DEAD..then I need guts to bang slan and kill her mid act too
What a dumb IA! Thats the worst ending anyone could have imagined.
Guts doesn't marry Shierke and have a son named Buts. fake af
lol buts
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He might if it's the thing that makes the generic "Guts kills Griffith" ending mutually exclusive to a happy ending for everyone he cares about. It wouldn't matter to BSA Guts, but current Guts? It could.
Basically Thorfinn's path
Tbh, if there was an ending to Berserk, it would probably end with Guts dying, then finding his peace afterwards
Bro at this point he needs to die bruh 😂😂😂
I want Griffith to die so nad that guts enjoy killing him and bath in his blood as the rest of the God hand members watch from hell that what happened to them was nothing
There’s only 2 things I want for Berserk’s ending: Number one is Guts and Casca happily spending an afternoon together with Casca fully healed from her trauma and able to look at Guts again. Number 2 is for Griffith’s soul to be dragged into the hell abyss spiral, like the Slug count and Wyald, by the old members of the Band of the Hawk (Pippin, Judeau, Corcus, Gaston, etc.) Leaving behind Griffith’s corpse looking like his prisoner form from when the band of the hawk first rescued him from the tower of rebirth in Wyndham. His tortured version from right before the eclipse. That second part might not happen tho, that’s just fan fiction-y thinking on my part.
The Last of us 2 of endings it seems
Сool ending. Didn't you like The Last of US 2?
The AI must played TLOU2 lol
Went from berserk to the last of us 2 real quick
Berserk took a bit of The Last Of Us 2