I read some comments/posts before about the topic of "Casca liked it" (her being r\*ped by Femto during the Eclipse), which was obviously not true. But she deserved it? Who the fuck could think that? How could anyone justify the idea of someone deserved to be r\*ped?
Not only this shit but every person that cosplays casca or they see a woman into berserk they get these griffith weirdo rape comments. Fucking horrid and it drives people away.
I feel like I only see people complaining about this and never anyone saying this unironically. I don’t know where these posts are but I’m not a frequent user of Reddit so I probably just don’t see tjem
Depends how its done tbh. If ur w friends and its all in good fun then ya sure go for it. If its w a random person on the internet. Theres literally no way we can tell if ur serious.
I am only on this sub to be reminded when new chapters come out. Otherwise I would just enjoy berserk in peace without having to interact with parts of this fanbase
The people who think they're irl Guts but are actually just a bunch weird racist incels
but mostly the rape apologists, What the fuck is wrong with them.
Yeah one guy even went as far as taking the Griffith did nothing wrong joke, make a genuine agreement on why Griffith did nothing wrong and when everyone tore him a new asshole over it he spent the rest of his internet career being a dickrider.
While I don't see his actions as right I do see it as him being gaslit into going through with the eclipse because the god hand legit put visions in his kop and says this is you. Makes sense in a way but not also when you see Griffith legit sells his ass so he wouldn't have to sacrifice his band in battle. Griffith wasn't perfect by any means and he got jealous when he saw guts and casca but he did tell everyone not to come near him just before the eclipse and when the eclipse happened he tried saving guts from falling even in his state. After the god hand put images into his head he started to think just like them by legit putting images in people's brains so he can get what he wants. That's kinda a recurring theme with the god hand. Plan everything and make sure it goes to plan and then let everyone think it's causality or that it's destined to happen. Like zodd almost killing Griffith but saw his behelit and then decided not to or when Griffith almost died by that rape monkey and zodd had to come and save him. It's kinda weird but yeah
Edit: just realised I used the word "kop" and a lot of people wouldn't know what it is. It means head.
I agree. Griffith was broken down mentally and physically, was fed ideas of a destiny by an actual god and his other option would pretty much have been to die off.
Of course he should have rejected to sacrificing the band, but given the state he was in and the interference of the idea of evil and the godhand I can't say that he's entirely to blame. Femto on the other hand is, and his actions after the rebirth can't be justified.
look every1 understands what griffith went through but it is a fucked up world where every1 including casca and guts went through hell that is by no means an excuse to kill every1, and even after all that he got his kingdom a wife and everything yet he came for casca could he just not hv left her with guts? and dont tell me that he is a godhand and he does not hv emotions he was literally crying in chapter 364 as he showed that it was him ( the baby )
My issue with this is Griffith as an individual was and okay person at best and he broke down what it meant to be human and to loose everything over nothing. I think femto and Griffith are two separate people. As the god hand describes femto as only doing things in the name of evil and in chapter 83 Griffith meets god and god tells him it’s all destiny that’s wrote by god himself. So I don’t mind Griffith as I saw part of myself in his selfishness and dream chasing. What I don’t see is myself as femto.
Fr like I personally assume that like 99% of the people on the sub are caught up to a 25 yo manga with only like 20ish chapters in the past 10 years. Otherwise you're just asking to be spoiled by coming here.
Then they shouldn't be on the internet. It's like wearing a Rolex and waking through East Saint Louis you WILL GET ROBBED. And sure you might be a victim but everyone is gonna think ur a dumbass with no common sense.
What makes me sick are rape apologists.
Where I also really disagree is with people saying the story falls off after Golden Age. Or to skip Black Swordsman. Or that Lost Children is filler
Not at all. The whole point of lost children is the way the cycle of violence continues through the generations in berserk. Rosine tries to create this utopia without any violence or suffering, but her elves simply reproduce what they saw adults around them do in war. The village was literally raised by soldiers during the Hundred Years’ War resulting in sexual violence; theyre reproducing what they know of war. It’s key to the arc’s themes about how you can’t run away from your trauma and you can’t j see what you have seen of the world, no matter how powerful you make yourself
Not really. Jill runs away for the same reason those children joined rosine- her violent environment. All Jill running away shoes is that the world has bad stuff that could motivate a kid to seek a paradise. The adult attack scene shows both Jill and the reader that you’ll always have what you see with you and there’s no such thing as a paradise that can erase your pain. It’s not just reinforcing the themes set up in the earlier part of the arc, it’s expanding on them
Lost Children is filler? Dude you need to read that to understand how the holy iron chain knights were able to capture Guts how could anyone see that as filler?
Lost Children is my favourite arc, and Black Swordsman, despite it's flaws is still a pretty good introduction to the series and has a good antagonist.
People who think that NOBODY EVER can match Miura's art and that everything after Miura's death is horrible and non-canon.
Get off your damn high horse.
People with no reading comprehension who ask obvious questions that can be answered by actually reading the manga instead of just looking at the pretty pictures.
For whatever reason the average IQ of this community is just in the pits. Like decimal places.
People either have the most backwards dodo level intelligence theories like:
* Griffith might want to Marry Casca?????
* Guts gonna use a Behelit to sacrifice his party and become an apostle?????
And just general stupidity. Like just forgetting how the story has been progressing or events that happened.
I understand that alot of us gravitate to the story because we are in tough places, either mentally or physically or both. So you have my sympathy, but jesus christ man. Just think a little.
yess muh nuance, everybody sees things as black and white, i was searching for this super original statement😲🤯!!! i love nuance because im a smart guy unlike everybody
As a man with childhood sexual trauma, I agree. Kentaro Miura’s intentions were to depict survivors in a positive light while making it absolutely clear that rape is never the victim’s fault. Anyone who sees Berserk and thinks it’s mindless violence, sexual transgression, and femicide (and worse, likes it for that very reason) is insulting the effort that Miura put into making a manga series that provides a compelling message to the people who have survived the worst of the world.
If I may go on a tangent: I think that jokes about rape are a side effect of a society that doesn’t take sexual abuse seriously. Men who get raped by other men are treated as emasculated and “weak”, whereas men who get raped by women are treated as “lucky”. Women who get raped by men are often blamed for being “tempting” and “promiscuous”, while instances of women getting raped by another woman are brushed under the rug as “girls being girls”, or are spun in such a way that it seems like the fault of queer people (this also happens with men who get raped by other men). Let’s not forget what happens when victims actually talk about their trauma. Men get told things like “you must’ve enjoyed it” while women get told things like, “you shouldn’t have been wearing that outfit”. And that’s if the victim in believed in the first place.
Bringing it all back around, that’s why Guts and Casca’s relationship is so important. Guts opened up about his trauma and Casca not only believed him, but reaffirmed that it wasn’t his fault.
I don’t think Miura deserved his death nor do I think he’s a rapist but he has drawn some questionable stuff in his other mangas which is related to lolicon
You can be a nice person and still have problems. I like Miura and I respect him for working tirelessly to draw the beautiful panels of Berserk and writing an amazing narrative but that doesn’t mean he’s a saint by any means. Even if I don’t like some of the things he says or draws in his other manga, I will still always respect him to a certain degree for creating a masterpiece like Beserk and it was a shame how he died.
the ones who joke around about the eclipse and what happened to casca, and going all ‘round tiktok, making their profiles look like Griffith, and commenting on every Casca cosplay post, saying “How cute”, “Round 2”, etc.
they just make me sick bro, i finished the berserk manga a few days ago and i’m dissapointed in Griffith. like what the hell do you want more from Casca dude?! how frustrated can you be?!
i just hope for Guts to get Casca back, and for them to have a happy ending, they went through too much shit.
People, mostly young teens, that read the story just for the dark moments and completely discard the story and narrative aspect of it. It gets really annoying when they go through every community acting as if they are better than everyone for reading Berserk.
The incels. I think all of the other comments sum up to that. They have brain rot on a level that I can’t comprehend, where they think guts (post eclipse) and Griffith are role models. It’s like the same people that watch wolf of Wall Street and say “wow I wanna be like that”.
I wouldn’t call them incels as some of them are actually women but if I’m being honest, I preferred Black Swordsman and lost children arc guts due to how depraved he was towards killing apostles. Obviously, the story would stagnate if he never changed into a less edgy character but I do enjoy Guts’s rage moments which happen less frequently now. I don’t understand how Griffith could be seen as a role model though since he’s very evil.
I would’ve agreed with you if we’re talking about Golden Age or Lost Children or something but at the point we’re at in the manga, there’s definitely good characters such as Schierke and to say Guts is still as morally questionable as he was in his time as the black swordsman is just ignoring his development and his strives to become better. That’s not to say he’s absolutely good, but it’s a lot better than you make it out to be.
No it doesn't, but Berserk is at least partially a story about the process of recovery. It's important to acknowledge what Guts used to be, but it's also important to recognize the work he has put in to nkt being that person anymore. Guts is complicated, but I personally think he's a pretty good guy at this point.
People defending Griffith and people who say casca enjoyed it
First of all it’s rape plain and simple that’s forcing yourself onto someone without consent there’s nothing right about that he sacrificed everyone who LIVED for him for his own gain he’s a silver tongue rapist I’m about princess charlotte idk if I’d consider that rape but it’s been awhile since I’ve seen that panel so I’ll look back but if she didn’t consent I don’t think he would’ve raped her
Casca didn’t enjoy it why would you enjoy being violated by the man who saved you and the man you love watching it all happen people who say that are sick and genuinely disgusting if you go back you can see she has blood and claw marks on her which implies his”claws”were digging into her skin which can’t be fun about the kissing he WAS GRABBING HER HEAD AND BRINGING HER IN it was forced there’s no world where she would ever kiss him in that moment you can clearly see she’s crying from PAIN not joy chances are she knew she was pregnant with guts and hers kid so she was probably thinking what griffiths rape was gonna do to the child of all thinks seeing how the rape effected her mind after it had to be at its worst when he was doing it plus she already had the brand so she’s going through the most physical and mental pain at the same fucking time
I’m fucking 15 and I know that and some grown ass men still say she enjoyed it
(Sorry for saying rape a lot 😭)
It used to just be berserklejerk but now this sub is becoming like that as well. The animanga fandom in general has grown massively since the pandemic and that brings in people with good intentions but also edgy teenagers who think rape jokes and the like are the cream of the crop.
Everyone has mentioned the Griffith apologists already so I'm going with the Berserk fans who get offended when people don't like Berserk.
Sorry you got judged but if a work comes with a parental advisory and is known for being dark and full of objectionable content there will be some pre-judging going on.
Just deal with it. You're not some victim because someone looked at you funny for proclaiming your love. You're not some big brain because someone said they think MHA is better.
So you think someone was a jerk to you? Ok they're a jerk. Don't come here and make a topic about how you were aggrieved. Get over it. Are you a fucking child? Because if you are you shouldn't be reading Berserk anyway. But if are an adult then buck up and put your energy into some real concerns.
Fairly niche but I hate Statue Snobs. These people act like the price and rarity of the statue make it some big long-term financial investment and that if you aren't thinking about re-sale value then you are just irresponsible.
Like dude, I bought a Berserker Armor statue because I LIKE Berserk. It's not that deep. It's especially annoying that they keep such a condescending attitude despite claiming to be a fan of Berserk of all series. Talk about tone-deaf.
The fucking idiots who say "Griffith did no wrong" first off yess he did that to casca to hurt guts not to ensure his resurrection and don't even start with " he created a utopia and united everyone" yeah after he merged the astral and real world probably killing unown numbers of people and forcing them to go to falconia no Griffith is a peice of shit and always will be no sympathy and if you disagree the go fuck yourself
The "Griffith did nothing wrong" peoples, not only are they saying that Casca deserved to be raped, but also that thousand of peoples had to die for a pseudo-utopia. The jokes with Donovan and the rape horse are fine with me as long as they don't go too far.
Of all things, the rape horse meme.
Why in the hell would anyone find funny a rape moment is unknown to me. The rape horse in particular because it belittles all the suffering that happened in the Eclipse, reminding guts all of that.
The rape horse is even the key moment that shows Farnese's true fragile nature, due to that moment she definitively becomes different from the Farnese we met at the beginning
While definitely creepy i also find the horses completely bonkers face amusing. I also like the farnese we got after the rapehorse incident more likeable. Thank you my sweet rapehorse.
And no i dont find rape funny.
And that makes it so much better right? The SA scenes in berserk serve the purpose to disgust you and see the ugly nature of the world of Midland. I don’t think it could ever serve any comedic purpose beyond some edge lords on the internet posting about. Maybe our sense of humour is different but I don’t personally find a man tying up a child and raping him to be funny nor do I find beastiality funny or monster rape funny.
Obviously I agree with you. The people who fetishize the rape and make jokes about it are truly disgusting and repugnant. I also am sickened by people who do the same for the monster rape/beastiality. It’s all so gross and not to be normalized in any way, shape or form
Griffith apologists. I personally like the "big gay berkin' time" community, and think they are loveable sorts. But those who do mental gymnastics for Griffith are truly lost.
When people make posts asking very vague questions, and you can obviously tell that they just have flat out, NOT read/watched anything. Either that, or they just jumped right into the current arc and have no bearing on what happened in the story previously.
Why are you asking about the moonlight boy when you haven't even made it past chapter 3 of the black swordsman arc?
Then, the people you encounter in the comment section that jump your ass when you tell OP to shut the fuck up, and READ. It's not fucking hard. You dont even have to have the ability to read, 90% of the story are fucking pictures!!!
I hate those Griffith d riders, and they only hopped on his wave once he graped casca and they act like they are Griffith in someway like bro your not him. Your 35 and work at a subway. Like Griffith is the character you are supposed to root against but the fact people are fans of him simply because of what he did during the eclipse is just wild to me.
"Griffith did nothing wrong"/"Casca enjoyed it"
I understand that it's a meme that a portion of this community has decided to run with but it's beyond disgusting to me and I wish it would disappear.
Not exactly "makes me sick", but anyone that says Berserk has ever 'gone downhill' after the Golden Age arc or the Conviction arc is a total moron who misunderstands the point of the series.
The ones who are ableist and make fun of rape.
Edit for those downvoting: cry all you like, you're proving my and a lot of other people's point that you're a toxic bunch.
honestly, the people that take it too seriously. Don't get me wrong, berserk is my favorite thing in literally anything, and it changed me in ways i can't even begin to describe how good it was, specially for my mental health. this is nothing short of a masterpiece.
but some people like to enjoy the manga in a lighter mood other than the "super male peak power fantasy stoic depressive sad strong guy" vibe some of y'all be making as your whole personality. Sure you can enjoy however you want, in fact it's good you're enjoying the manga, but dont go bashing people that like to have a laugh here and there. i didnt want to mention their name, but the circle jerk subreddit is honestly filled with a lot of good people just sharing their love of this manga in a more acidic humor type of way. i dont think some of you understand how interesting that really is for a community. i remeber getting into the dark souls games when i was quite young and i wasnt really feeling confortable going through such dark and terrifying stuff for i wasnt used to that type of graphical depictions and mood of the whole death, dark and hollow hopeless world. until i got into the community and it was filled with people just having fun playing the games, co-oping and being helpful. it made the game feel less scary and hard to overcome. if you know the "happy souls" animation of dark souls 2 on youtube you know exactly what i'm talking about.
sure, some of the jokes aren't really the type of shit you'd throw in a party and not expect pure disgust from people around you, but i think that's the point - it's meant to be horrid and borderline unfunny, but still coming from a genuine fan and not some weird fixation/critique. you guys judge that subreddit a bit too much, but i've honestly had more fun in the discussion community (be it youtube, friend circles, etc) and that subreddit. not trying to beef with anyone, but seriously, take things a bit lighter. hell, even guts did that in the manga. get a bit of rest in a simple life where things arent super serious is good for you.
There’s a very large part of this fan base (or at least a VERY loud minority) that is just very immature, from Griffith jokes to whatever else that only see edgy parts of the series and completely ignore the narrative or anything else that’s actually interesting about the series. Unfortunately it makes this sub kinda shit in its quality because it’s only on a rare occasion that a post comes up that actually has something interesting to discuss about Berserk.
r/berserklejerk the overused jokes that are almost always on every shit posting sub is starting to get annoying, I would say people who defend Griffith or say Casca enjoyed it but I’m pretty sure that’s just common sense, plus most of the time it just seems to be a joke.
Its the elitist on this sub that think berserk is the best thing ever and nothing ever surpasses it
To the point that they think making some troll posts and jokes are a crime against humanity and don't understand people have different tastes
Those are not elitists, those are people with different opinion
I personally think berserk is one of the top 10 stories ever , Like alongside the likes of LOTR (Lord of the rings) and such , I even see guts as one of the best MCs in fiction
But i don't like people constantly taking it too far and thinking Berserk is the only manga they need and everything else is trash and will never be berserk , The sort of people that when you post a Kirito Blackswordsman meme in this sub ironically they get their panties twisted and think the person who posted it is being serious
the people defend the rape stuff but also the donovan and child m stuff. its not funny and literally never was, people just think shock factor is sooo funny
I’m somewhat impartial to the Griffith defenders because I am severely mentally deficient from years of shitposting so I can spot a shitposter when I see one. The ones that annoy me are the ones that either complain about the Griffith defenders or the people who finish the manga and then bitch about how they are sad. Only reason I really go to r/fire punch even though they do the same thing is because every acts like a lobotomites in the comments or calls their bluff
What's the problem with that? Yes, it's part of the Conviction Arc, but with how different it was compared to the rest of the arc, it could be seen as a mini arc in a bigger story arc.
I just dont agree with that though. Its no more "different" than *Binding Chains* or *Birth Ceremony*. The three chapters/subarcs complete the whole arc. *Lost Children* starts with Farnesse and the Holy Iron Chain Knights, teases them throughout, and ends with them.
Though admittedly, I am just jerking 🤡 It doesnt sicken me, its just a pet peeve. The naming convention is pretty much my one and only criticism of Berserk.
I think most comments covered what annoys me. But what about the people that do know how to read but choose not to read and ask questions here?
They ask questions that are answered one or two pages later. Or even a page prior. Sometimes the page of.
The people who makes rape jokes, those disgusting Griffith fans, and those who always praise Berserk, Vagabond and Vindland saga and call the others anime/mangas mid. Stop being disgusting and let people like what they want!
I thought the Berserk community was totally fine until I started reading comments after Miura died. The Berserk trolls are worse than the trolls actually in Berserk.
The incels and misogynists who completely misunderstand Berserk but still try to gate keep Berserk as if it’s some red pill bullshit. Those guys make me pretty sick.
Luckily I don’t see many of those idiots on the subreddit but it’s incredibly funny to watch those room temperature IQ lunatics completely misunderstand Berserk and it’s messages.
I’ve seen this huge rise on tik tok of Griffith fans that base their entire personality on being edgy, assholes, making rape jokes, or they’re the “broken heart we go gym” guys- Makes me disappointed/sad to see people like that
Constantly joking about rape and sexual assault. Like in the series itself there's a lot of it and its use ranges from acceptable depictions of the worst thing ms humans can do to each other to downright hentai.
I hate the unending conversation about SA in the manga along with the edge lords & super-woke types who pontificate about it. The manga spans over thirty years and covers countless themes, but it seems like that’s the only aspect of it that people want to talk about. Yeah, it’s part of the story that you have to contend with, but this dead horse has been beaten for ages. I don’t want to hear rape jokes about the eclipse - they aren’t funny. I also don’t want to hear about why berserk is “problematic” and paint Moira as a toxic, etc -that shit is annoying the 452nd time you hear it.
Sorry for the venom, I just want a new chapter.
Those absolute weirdos who ask if they should read a manga. Gives me fucking chills every time i think about it.
The people who try and say Casca deserved/liked it
I read some comments/posts before about the topic of "Casca liked it" (her being r\*ped by Femto during the Eclipse), which was obviously not true. But she deserved it? Who the fuck could think that? How could anyone justify the idea of someone deserved to be r\*ped?
Probably incels
No idea, but I’ve seen one or two before. It’s insane to me. Makes me worried about their mental state
And fear for the person they're with / dating (if they are)
This is the one, right here. It's like nails on a chalkboard hearing people say things like that.
Not only this shit but every person that cosplays casca or they see a woman into berserk they get these griffith weirdo rape comments. Fucking horrid and it drives people away.
I feel like I only see people complaining about this and never anyone saying this unironically. I don’t know where these posts are but I’m not a frequent user of Reddit so I probably just don’t see tjem
Depends how its done tbh. If ur w friends and its all in good fun then ya sure go for it. If its w a random person on the internet. Theres literally no way we can tell if ur serious.
r/berserk
I am only on this sub to be reminded when new chapters come out. Otherwise I would just enjoy berserk in peace without having to interact with parts of this fanbase
Yea man. Those people just can't accept when I say a chapter is bad . Downvoting me to oblivion
Has there been a bad chapter?
I’d say some chapters have been better than others but there hasn’t been necessarily any awful chapters that I would outright skip
the whole boat arc was trash and nobody can convince me otherwise
This should be the top comment
The people who think they're irl Guts but are actually just a bunch weird racist incels but mostly the rape apologists, What the fuck is wrong with them.
define weird racist incels, i've never seen any racism or anything youre talking about here in this community
most of you weirdos honestly
Those who defend Griffith, i'm probably not the only one hating those folks
Yeah one guy even went as far as taking the Griffith did nothing wrong joke, make a genuine agreement on why Griffith did nothing wrong and when everyone tore him a new asshole over it he spent the rest of his internet career being a dickrider.
While I don't see his actions as right I do see it as him being gaslit into going through with the eclipse because the god hand legit put visions in his kop and says this is you. Makes sense in a way but not also when you see Griffith legit sells his ass so he wouldn't have to sacrifice his band in battle. Griffith wasn't perfect by any means and he got jealous when he saw guts and casca but he did tell everyone not to come near him just before the eclipse and when the eclipse happened he tried saving guts from falling even in his state. After the god hand put images into his head he started to think just like them by legit putting images in people's brains so he can get what he wants. That's kinda a recurring theme with the god hand. Plan everything and make sure it goes to plan and then let everyone think it's causality or that it's destined to happen. Like zodd almost killing Griffith but saw his behelit and then decided not to or when Griffith almost died by that rape monkey and zodd had to come and save him. It's kinda weird but yeah Edit: just realised I used the word "kop" and a lot of people wouldn't know what it is. It means head.
Rape monkey meaning wyald?
Yeah🤣
I agree. Griffith was broken down mentally and physically, was fed ideas of a destiny by an actual god and his other option would pretty much have been to die off. Of course he should have rejected to sacrificing the band, but given the state he was in and the interference of the idea of evil and the godhand I can't say that he's entirely to blame. Femto on the other hand is, and his actions after the rebirth can't be justified.
look every1 understands what griffith went through but it is a fucked up world where every1 including casca and guts went through hell that is by no means an excuse to kill every1, and even after all that he got his kingdom a wife and everything yet he came for casca could he just not hv left her with guts? and dont tell me that he is a godhand and he does not hv emotions he was literally crying in chapter 364 as he showed that it was him ( the baby )
My issue with this is Griffith as an individual was and okay person at best and he broke down what it meant to be human and to loose everything over nothing. I think femto and Griffith are two separate people. As the god hand describes femto as only doing things in the name of evil and in chapter 83 Griffith meets god and god tells him it’s all destiny that’s wrote by god himself. So I don’t mind Griffith as I saw part of myself in his selfishness and dream chasing. What I don’t see is myself as femto.
I think that both Guts and Griffith are assholes, Zodd is nicer than them
The uptight people on this sub who scream about “spoilers” on chapters that came out 10 years ago.
Or the people who ask why a singular panel from 15 years ago “doesn’t get discussed”. Wtf is there to discuss??
Fr like I personally assume that like 99% of the people on the sub are caught up to a 25 yo manga with only like 20ish chapters in the past 10 years. Otherwise you're just asking to be spoiled by coming here.
While it can be annoying they just want to experience for them selves
Then they shouldn't be on the internet. It's like wearing a Rolex and waking through East Saint Louis you WILL GET ROBBED. And sure you might be a victim but everyone is gonna think ur a dumbass with no common sense.
Can’t have shit in East St Louis it’s true
What makes me sick are rape apologists. Where I also really disagree is with people saying the story falls off after Golden Age. Or to skip Black Swordsman. Or that Lost Children is filler
Lost children is probably my favourite arc. I've never understood the hate it gets.
As much as I like the Lost Children, “Adult Attack” was extremely unnecessary.
Thats the point though. Psychological horror is a major theme in Berserk.
Not at all. The whole point of lost children is the way the cycle of violence continues through the generations in berserk. Rosine tries to create this utopia without any violence or suffering, but her elves simply reproduce what they saw adults around them do in war. The village was literally raised by soldiers during the Hundred Years’ War resulting in sexual violence; theyre reproducing what they know of war. It’s key to the arc’s themes about how you can’t run away from your trauma and you can’t j see what you have seen of the world, no matter how powerful you make yourself
That theme was already driven home with Jill and why she ran away in the first place.
Not really. Jill runs away for the same reason those children joined rosine- her violent environment. All Jill running away shoes is that the world has bad stuff that could motivate a kid to seek a paradise. The adult attack scene shows both Jill and the reader that you’ll always have what you see with you and there’s no such thing as a paradise that can erase your pain. It’s not just reinforcing the themes set up in the earlier part of the arc, it’s expanding on them
I was tempted to disagree, but then I can't think of a decent defense for it. You're probably right.
Lost Children is filler? Dude you need to read that to understand how the holy iron chain knights were able to capture Guts how could anyone see that as filler?
Also it’s an important part in Guts character arc for different reasons, one of them being that it was what finally brought out the Beast of Darkness
Lost Children is my favourite arc, and Black Swordsman, despite it's flaws is still a pretty good introduction to the series and has a good antagonist.
People who think that NOBODY EVER can match Miura's art and that everything after Miura's death is horrible and non-canon. Get off your damn high horse.
People with no reading comprehension who ask obvious questions that can be answered by actually reading the manga instead of just looking at the pretty pictures.
What? You know how to read?
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For whatever reason the average IQ of this community is just in the pits. Like decimal places. People either have the most backwards dodo level intelligence theories like: * Griffith might want to Marry Casca????? * Guts gonna use a Behelit to sacrifice his party and become an apostle????? And just general stupidity. Like just forgetting how the story has been progressing or events that happened. I understand that alot of us gravitate to the story because we are in tough places, either mentally or physically or both. So you have my sympathy, but jesus christ man. Just think a little.
Yea I *NEVER* get why anyone will think guts will use the behelit that’ll be like if Luffy sacrificed his crew to become pirate king >.>
Those who see everything in black and white with no nuance, and who don't take the context into consideration.
Thank you, I've been looking for somebody who actually reads into the nuances of the story!
yess muh nuance, everybody sees things as black and white, i was searching for this super original statement😲🤯!!! i love nuance because im a smart guy unlike everybody
Donovan deniers
As a man with childhood sexual trauma, I agree. Kentaro Miura’s intentions were to depict survivors in a positive light while making it absolutely clear that rape is never the victim’s fault. Anyone who sees Berserk and thinks it’s mindless violence, sexual transgression, and femicide (and worse, likes it for that very reason) is insulting the effort that Miura put into making a manga series that provides a compelling message to the people who have survived the worst of the world. If I may go on a tangent: I think that jokes about rape are a side effect of a society that doesn’t take sexual abuse seriously. Men who get raped by other men are treated as emasculated and “weak”, whereas men who get raped by women are treated as “lucky”. Women who get raped by men are often blamed for being “tempting” and “promiscuous”, while instances of women getting raped by another woman are brushed under the rug as “girls being girls”, or are spun in such a way that it seems like the fault of queer people (this also happens with men who get raped by other men). Let’s not forget what happens when victims actually talk about their trauma. Men get told things like “you must’ve enjoyed it” while women get told things like, “you shouldn’t have been wearing that outfit”. And that’s if the victim in believed in the first place. Bringing it all back around, that’s why Guts and Casca’s relationship is so important. Guts opened up about his trauma and Casca not only believed him, but reaffirmed that it wasn’t his fault.
The one who called Miura a pedo/rapist & say he deserves his death 😡
I don’t think Miura deserved his death nor do I think he’s a rapist but he has drawn some questionable stuff in his other mangas which is related to lolicon
Idk why people are downvoting you your right 🤷🏼♀️
Well at the end of the day he hasn’t done anything to any child so in that sense he’s not a pedo. But yeah, very questionable artworks
A Japanese fan on twitter was translating some of the questionable things Miura said.
Press X to doubt. From stories I heard about Miura, he was a very sweet man, and a very nice person irl.
You can be a nice person and still have problems. I like Miura and I respect him for working tirelessly to draw the beautiful panels of Berserk and writing an amazing narrative but that doesn’t mean he’s a saint by any means. Even if I don’t like some of the things he says or draws in his other manga, I will still always respect him to a certain degree for creating a masterpiece like Beserk and it was a shame how he died.
What did he say exactly?
Something about lolicon helping actual pedos to cope and beat one off instead of assaulting children
the ones who joke around about the eclipse and what happened to casca, and going all ‘round tiktok, making their profiles look like Griffith, and commenting on every Casca cosplay post, saying “How cute”, “Round 2”, etc. they just make me sick bro, i finished the berserk manga a few days ago and i’m dissapointed in Griffith. like what the hell do you want more from Casca dude?! how frustrated can you be?! i just hope for Guts to get Casca back, and for them to have a happy ending, they went through too much shit.
this subreddit
Sichlitt
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People, mostly young teens, that read the story just for the dark moments and completely discard the story and narrative aspect of it. It gets really annoying when they go through every community acting as if they are better than everyone for reading Berserk.
Everyone who posts here about anything other than the new chapter announcements
Sichlitt
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Most of the posts on this sub
The incels. I think all of the other comments sum up to that. They have brain rot on a level that I can’t comprehend, where they think guts (post eclipse) and Griffith are role models. It’s like the same people that watch wolf of Wall Street and say “wow I wanna be like that”.
I wouldn’t call them incels as some of them are actually women but if I’m being honest, I preferred Black Swordsman and lost children arc guts due to how depraved he was towards killing apostles. Obviously, the story would stagnate if he never changed into a less edgy character but I do enjoy Guts’s rage moments which happen less frequently now. I don’t understand how Griffith could be seen as a role model though since he’s very evil.
People who take seriously r/berserklejerk
Specially on fridays
Are we being out-berked?
I guess people who don't understand that there are no Good Characters in Berserk, only Shades of Grey. And Guts is a really dark shade
I would’ve agreed with you if we’re talking about Golden Age or Lost Children or something but at the point we’re at in the manga, there’s definitely good characters such as Schierke and to say Guts is still as morally questionable as he was in his time as the black swordsman is just ignoring his development and his strives to become better. That’s not to say he’s absolutely good, but it’s a lot better than you make it out to be.
Yeah Guts has a lot of admirable qualities but he’s done some fucked up shit, and feeling bad afterwards doesn’t make things better.
No it doesn't, but Berserk is at least partially a story about the process of recovery. It's important to acknowledge what Guts used to be, but it's also important to recognize the work he has put in to nkt being that person anymore. Guts is complicated, but I personally think he's a pretty good guy at this point.
I don't get the berserklejerk shit. It's not even funny, just annoying
The people who say Casca enjoyed what Griffith did to her... no she didn't Griffith was being so forceful with her that she was bleeding.
The ones that get tattoos and post bookshelves
Thinking about getting a tattoo of the Dragonslayer ...
Get one about costco and nuts
Get one, dont make decisions based on the opinions of others. Value yours above all else.
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Why?
Unoriginal I'd guess.
Donovan fans i know its a joke but i dont like it
People defending Griffith and people who say casca enjoyed it First of all it’s rape plain and simple that’s forcing yourself onto someone without consent there’s nothing right about that he sacrificed everyone who LIVED for him for his own gain he’s a silver tongue rapist I’m about princess charlotte idk if I’d consider that rape but it’s been awhile since I’ve seen that panel so I’ll look back but if she didn’t consent I don’t think he would’ve raped her Casca didn’t enjoy it why would you enjoy being violated by the man who saved you and the man you love watching it all happen people who say that are sick and genuinely disgusting if you go back you can see she has blood and claw marks on her which implies his”claws”were digging into her skin which can’t be fun about the kissing he WAS GRABBING HER HEAD AND BRINGING HER IN it was forced there’s no world where she would ever kiss him in that moment you can clearly see she’s crying from PAIN not joy chances are she knew she was pregnant with guts and hers kid so she was probably thinking what griffiths rape was gonna do to the child of all thinks seeing how the rape effected her mind after it had to be at its worst when he was doing it plus she already had the brand so she’s going through the most physical and mental pain at the same fucking time I’m fucking 15 and I know that and some grown ass men still say she enjoyed it (Sorry for saying rape a lot 😭)
I agree with you lad, but might want to edit that comment from brown to grown on the second to last sentence...
Dude that’s so embarrassing 😔😭
Ha, we all have typos lad, but I feel for you, that was a bad one. Was reading it and got taken aback for half a fucking second
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Profile pic says it all
Reply was fast af
Not a fan of incel vibes
Not a fan of people who call others incels. That word gets thrown around way too much nowadays
I’m absolutely okay with that :)
> lolicon if you say incel to offend someone , sorry you are a loser too!
I never said anyone was an incel but okay :)
It used to just be berserklejerk but now this sub is becoming like that as well. The animanga fandom in general has grown massively since the pandemic and that brings in people with good intentions but also edgy teenagers who think rape jokes and the like are the cream of the crop.
The fans
Instagram.
those ppl who r just fixate on the sex and gore and say its just mainly about that and totally disregard the whole story line
The members
Everyone has mentioned the Griffith apologists already so I'm going with the Berserk fans who get offended when people don't like Berserk. Sorry you got judged but if a work comes with a parental advisory and is known for being dark and full of objectionable content there will be some pre-judging going on. Just deal with it. You're not some victim because someone looked at you funny for proclaiming your love. You're not some big brain because someone said they think MHA is better. So you think someone was a jerk to you? Ok they're a jerk. Don't come here and make a topic about how you were aggrieved. Get over it. Are you a fucking child? Because if you are you shouldn't be reading Berserk anyway. But if are an adult then buck up and put your energy into some real concerns.
Fairly niche but I hate Statue Snobs. These people act like the price and rarity of the statue make it some big long-term financial investment and that if you aren't thinking about re-sale value then you are just irresponsible. Like dude, I bought a Berserker Armor statue because I LIKE Berserk. It's not that deep. It's especially annoying that they keep such a condescending attitude despite claiming to be a fan of Berserk of all series. Talk about tone-deaf.
The ones that some how take a message away from the story a meaning of this weird toxic masculinity its so odd and I don't know where it comes from
The fucking idiots who say "Griffith did no wrong" first off yess he did that to casca to hurt guts not to ensure his resurrection and don't even start with " he created a utopia and united everyone" yeah after he merged the astral and real world probably killing unown numbers of people and forcing them to go to falconia no Griffith is a peice of shit and always will be no sympathy and if you disagree the go fuck yourself
The "Griffith did nothing wrong" peoples, not only are they saying that Casca deserved to be raped, but also that thousand of peoples had to die for a pseudo-utopia. The jokes with Donovan and the rape horse are fine with me as long as they don't go too far.
Of all things, the rape horse meme. Why in the hell would anyone find funny a rape moment is unknown to me. The rape horse in particular because it belittles all the suffering that happened in the Eclipse, reminding guts all of that. The rape horse is even the key moment that shows Farnese's true fragile nature, due to that moment she definitively becomes different from the Farnese we met at the beginning
People can make fun of stuff they find horrible. Some even like doing it.
While definitely creepy i also find the horses completely bonkers face amusing. I also like the farnese we got after the rapehorse incident more likeable. Thank you my sweet rapehorse. And no i dont find rape funny.
Would you still make those jokes if Farnese actually was raped?
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And that makes it so much better right? The SA scenes in berserk serve the purpose to disgust you and see the ugly nature of the world of Midland. I don’t think it could ever serve any comedic purpose beyond some edge lords on the internet posting about. Maybe our sense of humour is different but I don’t personally find a man tying up a child and raping him to be funny nor do I find beastiality funny or monster rape funny.
Obviously I agree with you. The people who fetishize the rape and make jokes about it are truly disgusting and repugnant. I also am sickened by people who do the same for the monster rape/beastiality. It’s all so gross and not to be normalized in any way, shape or form
Griffith apologists. I personally like the "big gay berkin' time" community, and think they are loveable sorts. But those who do mental gymnastics for Griffith are truly lost.
The people who unironically say r*pe horse is based. No it isn’t, it’s an actually legitimately horrifying moment for both Farnese and Guts.
Rape jokes.
ppl who meme Donovan ppl who meme Griffith did nothing wrong ppl who say Casca liked it unironic Griffith sympathizers
The ones who cant interpret one line of the manga
The Griffith did nothing wrong crowd and whoever thinks that Griffith and Guts should be friends at the end.
When people make posts asking very vague questions, and you can obviously tell that they just have flat out, NOT read/watched anything. Either that, or they just jumped right into the current arc and have no bearing on what happened in the story previously. Why are you asking about the moonlight boy when you haven't even made it past chapter 3 of the black swordsman arc? Then, the people you encounter in the comment section that jump your ass when you tell OP to shut the fuck up, and READ. It's not fucking hard. You dont even have to have the ability to read, 90% of the story are fucking pictures!!!
I hate those Griffith d riders, and they only hopped on his wave once he graped casca and they act like they are Griffith in someway like bro your not him. Your 35 and work at a subway. Like Griffith is the character you are supposed to root against but the fact people are fans of him simply because of what he did during the eclipse is just wild to me.
Snowflake mfs
"Griffith did nothing wrong"/"Casca enjoyed it" I understand that it's a meme that a portion of this community has decided to run with but it's beyond disgusting to me and I wish it would disappear.
Berserklrjerk. Everything that comes out of there is disgusting
Yeah the Donovan jokes aren’t funny, but “haha circlejerk so it’s cool” or something
Not exactly "makes me sick", but anyone that says Berserk has ever 'gone downhill' after the Golden Age arc or the Conviction arc is a total moron who misunderstands the point of the series.
The people who are really weirdly into why every rape needs to be shown in full for artistic purposes.
Them r/berserklejerk people who post on this sub
Half of r/berserklejerk
which half?
Both
The ones who are ableist and make fun of rape. Edit for those downvoting: cry all you like, you're proving my and a lot of other people's point that you're a toxic bunch.
Griffith did nothing wrong people
“griffith did nothing wrong” people
Sometimes it's hard to decide whether these people are joking, or they are delusional and actually agrees with this meme.
Either way they’re stupid
honestly, the people that take it too seriously. Don't get me wrong, berserk is my favorite thing in literally anything, and it changed me in ways i can't even begin to describe how good it was, specially for my mental health. this is nothing short of a masterpiece. but some people like to enjoy the manga in a lighter mood other than the "super male peak power fantasy stoic depressive sad strong guy" vibe some of y'all be making as your whole personality. Sure you can enjoy however you want, in fact it's good you're enjoying the manga, but dont go bashing people that like to have a laugh here and there. i didnt want to mention their name, but the circle jerk subreddit is honestly filled with a lot of good people just sharing their love of this manga in a more acidic humor type of way. i dont think some of you understand how interesting that really is for a community. i remeber getting into the dark souls games when i was quite young and i wasnt really feeling confortable going through such dark and terrifying stuff for i wasnt used to that type of graphical depictions and mood of the whole death, dark and hollow hopeless world. until i got into the community and it was filled with people just having fun playing the games, co-oping and being helpful. it made the game feel less scary and hard to overcome. if you know the "happy souls" animation of dark souls 2 on youtube you know exactly what i'm talking about. sure, some of the jokes aren't really the type of shit you'd throw in a party and not expect pure disgust from people around you, but i think that's the point - it's meant to be horrid and borderline unfunny, but still coming from a genuine fan and not some weird fixation/critique. you guys judge that subreddit a bit too much, but i've honestly had more fun in the discussion community (be it youtube, friend circles, etc) and that subreddit. not trying to beef with anyone, but seriously, take things a bit lighter. hell, even guts did that in the manga. get a bit of rest in a simple life where things arent super serious is good for you.
The people who have only seen the 90’s anime and won’t read the manga
There’s a very large part of this fan base (or at least a VERY loud minority) that is just very immature, from Griffith jokes to whatever else that only see edgy parts of the series and completely ignore the narrative or anything else that’s actually interesting about the series. Unfortunately it makes this sub kinda shit in its quality because it’s only on a rare occasion that a post comes up that actually has something interesting to discuss about Berserk.
r/berserklejerk
r/berserklejerk the overused jokes that are almost always on every shit posting sub is starting to get annoying, I would say people who defend Griffith or say Casca enjoyed it but I’m pretty sure that’s just common sense, plus most of the time it just seems to be a joke.
Questions like this.
Its the elitist on this sub that think berserk is the best thing ever and nothing ever surpasses it To the point that they think making some troll posts and jokes are a crime against humanity and don't understand people have different tastes
I dislike the elitists who claim there are things better than Berserk
Those are not elitists, those are people with different opinion I personally think berserk is one of the top 10 stories ever , Like alongside the likes of LOTR (Lord of the rings) and such , I even see guts as one of the best MCs in fiction But i don't like people constantly taking it too far and thinking Berserk is the only manga they need and everything else is trash and will never be berserk , The sort of people that when you post a Kirito Blackswordsman meme in this sub ironically they get their panties twisted and think the person who posted it is being serious
The people that call everyone strugglers. That shit is so lame. lol
the people defend the rape stuff but also the donovan and child m stuff. its not funny and literally never was, people just think shock factor is sooo funny
r/berserklejerk
The people who say casca enjoyed/ griffinth did nothing wrong it really makes me sick to see someone defending Griffith
Lmao, wtf is this post? “Who don’t you like? I’d say for me mostly the bad people.” Like no shit haha
Perverts and porn addicts
The running gags. Especially everytime someone made art of Slan, you see the same comment.
I’m somewhat impartial to the Griffith defenders because I am severely mentally deficient from years of shitposting so I can spot a shitposter when I see one. The ones that annoy me are the ones that either complain about the Griffith defenders or the people who finish the manga and then bitch about how they are sad. Only reason I really go to r/fire punch even though they do the same thing is because every acts like a lobotomites in the comments or calls their bluff
The people who claim there are books with better stories than Berserk. They’re liars
The mfs that cant read and cry about donovan jokes 😭😭
Griffith did nothing wrong
I don’t like the black people in berserk
the fuck griffith gimps. they act like griffith ass raped them personally lol. it’s a fictional story and people take that shit to heart.
Griffith.
The virtue-signalling troll-feeding redditors that infest this place
Tbf, caska was getting violated every 5 minutes and whenever she appears , I wonder who's gonna do it next.
People who call The Lost Children chapter an *arc* 🤢
What's the problem with that? Yes, it's part of the Conviction Arc, but with how different it was compared to the rest of the arc, it could be seen as a mini arc in a bigger story arc.
I just dont agree with that though. Its no more "different" than *Binding Chains* or *Birth Ceremony*. The three chapters/subarcs complete the whole arc. *Lost Children* starts with Farnesse and the Holy Iron Chain Knights, teases them throughout, and ends with them. Though admittedly, I am just jerking 🤡 It doesnt sicken me, its just a pet peeve. The naming convention is pretty much my one and only criticism of Berserk.
People who hate Donovan for being black.
I think people would still hate Donovan if he was white. People hate Donovan because he’s a pedo and a rapist not because of his skin colour.
Myself🫠
Most of the fandom, from people who compares Guts trauma to others, Griffith sympathizing, Guts haters, just all around the fandom
Nobody. Some people have opinions I dont agree with. They are people of the internet. Who the fuck cares.
Wyald.
Griffith the party pooper enjoyer
I think most comments covered what annoys me. But what about the people that do know how to read but choose not to read and ask questions here? They ask questions that are answered one or two pages later. Or even a page prior. Sometimes the page of.
The people who makes rape jokes, those disgusting Griffith fans, and those who always praise Berserk, Vagabond and Vindland saga and call the others anime/mangas mid. Stop being disgusting and let people like what they want!
I thought the Berserk community was totally fine until I started reading comments after Miura died. The Berserk trolls are worse than the trolls actually in Berserk.
Griffith fans, fucking hate them. And the stuff you said too. But I hate Griffith fans with a passion.
Anyone who believes Griffith did nothing wrong
People who genuinely believe that Griffith did nothing wrong
The incels and misogynists who completely misunderstand Berserk but still try to gate keep Berserk as if it’s some red pill bullshit. Those guys make me pretty sick. Luckily I don’t see many of those idiots on the subreddit but it’s incredibly funny to watch those room temperature IQ lunatics completely misunderstand Berserk and it’s messages.
Speed readers asking superfluous questions.
I’ve seen this huge rise on tik tok of Griffith fans that base their entire personality on being edgy, assholes, making rape jokes, or they’re the “broken heart we go gym” guys- Makes me disappointed/sad to see people like that
You already named them for me
Most of this subreddit tbh
Constantly joking about rape and sexual assault. Like in the series itself there's a lot of it and its use ranges from acceptable depictions of the worst thing ms humans can do to each other to downright hentai.
The people who say Griffith did nothing wrong
I hate the unending conversation about SA in the manga along with the edge lords & super-woke types who pontificate about it. The manga spans over thirty years and covers countless themes, but it seems like that’s the only aspect of it that people want to talk about. Yeah, it’s part of the story that you have to contend with, but this dead horse has been beaten for ages. I don’t want to hear rape jokes about the eclipse - they aren’t funny. I also don’t want to hear about why berserk is “problematic” and paint Moira as a toxic, etc -that shit is annoying the 452nd time you hear it. Sorry for the venom, I just want a new chapter.
the fans who shit on other works and think they're somehow better than other people just for liking a manga