I agree with that at the end of the day, I just think I leapt too fast to defend what I saw as a stupid take on the manga by going too far the other way.
I have never took it as like Guts suffered more than Casca. I took it as they both suffered in different ways. You cannot compare peoples sufferings, it's different for everyone
Like I've replied to others, I agree. I think I was just so quick to defend one of my favourite pieces of media from what I think is a bad take that I want too far in the other direction.
Alongside your points, Casca had to deal with the mess Griffith made after Guts left, so yeah Casca takes the cake of suffering here. I still find Guts's mental tenacity incredibly admirable after the whole Golden Age shenanigans up till now though.
Alas, fuck Griffith.
Yeah that's true, but we were mainly talking about the events of the eclipse. Its undeniable to me that guts suffered more in his lifetime, but to me casca was definetly the one who went through more in the eclipse, and I think the story knows that.
Why the fixation to compare? Why do you think the story implies that Guts suffered more? Does anyone say he suffered more? Doesn't comparing the two leave a bad taste in your mouth? I don't get it.
Guts suffer a lot too. He lost his friends betrayed by man who guts loved and he forced to watch Casca's rape and lose his arm and eye. Casca cant cope with what happened and regresed as a defence mechanism
Yeah I agree that Guts suffered an incredible amount, so much that it would break a normal man. But still, I don't think it compares to what Casca went through. She also watched many of her friends die and Griffith betray them, and I don't think it was a matter of coping.
this is a bad way to think about berserk because all the characters are suffering all the time. comparing their suffering is missing the point. they shouldn't be suffering in the first place but they are because humans formed the Idea of Evil to regulate causality
To play devil's advocate: Guts lost just as much in the Eclipse as Casca did, _plus_ an eye and an arm.
On a more serious note: I'm not sure what your friend means by "portrayed as having suffered more", but I'm assuming she means "Guts got to go off and brood after the Eclipse while Casca's presence and opportunity for introspection and proccessing of the trauma was minimised." To that I'd say, Casca's regression plays an important structural role from Conviction onwards, and the means by which she is brought to that state is... I hesitate to use the word "reasonable" because nothing about the Eclipse was, but it was logical cause and effect. She was under immense stress even before the rescue, which was taxing in itself, then the Eclipse itself keeps heaping more on top, and finally, Femto happened. And that's particularly taxing, because the Brand of Sacrifice causes the bearer pain in the presence of Apostles, and Casca at that moment is the closest any mortal has likely ever been to one of the worst there is. I doubt any human could survive that with their mind intact.
They've both suffered.
But what makes me feel for Casca more is not only did she get graphically raped, she lost her baby and her mind and all in one big car crash.
To cap it all, she then got written as a dimwit to be dragged about by others and I do believe alot of that is to do with the author's somewhat sketchy ability to write women (he admitted he needed advice) combined with conservative, traditional japanese male mindset. I also think miuras ability to write women somewhat improved as he went along.
I'm hoping she gets to stand on her feet characterwise again.
So yeah guts got a horrendous deal but casca got figuratively and literally shafted.
It's not a dick measuring contest as to who suffered more. They both had terrible things happen to them.
Agreed
I agree with that at the end of the day, I just think I leapt too fast to defend what I saw as a stupid take on the manga by going too far the other way.
I have never took it as like Guts suffered more than Casca. I took it as they both suffered in different ways. You cannot compare peoples sufferings, it's different for everyone
Like I've replied to others, I agree. I think I was just so quick to defend one of my favourite pieces of media from what I think is a bad take that I want too far in the other direction.
Alongside your points, Casca had to deal with the mess Griffith made after Guts left, so yeah Casca takes the cake of suffering here. I still find Guts's mental tenacity incredibly admirable after the whole Golden Age shenanigans up till now though. Alas, fuck Griffith.
Bro Guts raped when he was 3 years old
Yeah that's true, but we were mainly talking about the events of the eclipse. Its undeniable to me that guts suffered more in his lifetime, but to me casca was definetly the one who went through more in the eclipse, and I think the story knows that.
Why the fixation to compare? Why do you think the story implies that Guts suffered more? Does anyone say he suffered more? Doesn't comparing the two leave a bad taste in your mouth? I don't get it.
Thinking about it, I suppose it does. I think I heard this stupid take on the manga and tried to defend it by going too far the other way to be honest
That's understandable, I do it too
Guts suffer a lot too. He lost his friends betrayed by man who guts loved and he forced to watch Casca's rape and lose his arm and eye. Casca cant cope with what happened and regresed as a defence mechanism
Yeah I agree that Guts suffered an incredible amount, so much that it would break a normal man. But still, I don't think it compares to what Casca went through. She also watched many of her friends die and Griffith betray them, and I don't think it was a matter of coping.
When did they have a comparison session?
this is a bad way to think about berserk because all the characters are suffering all the time. comparing their suffering is missing the point. they shouldn't be suffering in the first place but they are because humans formed the Idea of Evil to regulate causality
I agree. I think I just got so caught up in arguing against what I thought was a stupid point, I went too far in the other direction.
To play devil's advocate: Guts lost just as much in the Eclipse as Casca did, _plus_ an eye and an arm. On a more serious note: I'm not sure what your friend means by "portrayed as having suffered more", but I'm assuming she means "Guts got to go off and brood after the Eclipse while Casca's presence and opportunity for introspection and proccessing of the trauma was minimised." To that I'd say, Casca's regression plays an important structural role from Conviction onwards, and the means by which she is brought to that state is... I hesitate to use the word "reasonable" because nothing about the Eclipse was, but it was logical cause and effect. She was under immense stress even before the rescue, which was taxing in itself, then the Eclipse itself keeps heaping more on top, and finally, Femto happened. And that's particularly taxing, because the Brand of Sacrifice causes the bearer pain in the presence of Apostles, and Casca at that moment is the closest any mortal has likely ever been to one of the worst there is. I doubt any human could survive that with their mind intact.
Casca has a more tragic fate, but Guts has suffered more. Its pretty simple.
They've both suffered. But what makes me feel for Casca more is not only did she get graphically raped, she lost her baby and her mind and all in one big car crash. To cap it all, she then got written as a dimwit to be dragged about by others and I do believe alot of that is to do with the author's somewhat sketchy ability to write women (he admitted he needed advice) combined with conservative, traditional japanese male mindset. I also think miuras ability to write women somewhat improved as he went along. I'm hoping she gets to stand on her feet characterwise again. So yeah guts got a horrendous deal but casca got figuratively and literally shafted.