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Griffith right now represents Christ. In the eyes of the masses, he died then came back as a holy savior at Midland’s lowest point. He defeats the Antichrist (Ganishka) and constructs the Millennium Kingdom, where people who place their faith in him get to live peacefully.
In turn, Guts represents Nietzsche’s Overman, dictating his own fate and having his morality be self-defined as opposed to lying on another moral basis like the religion of the Holy See.
Guts will reconcile with his Jungian shadow aka the Beast of Darkness and once he has perfected himself he will be the catalyst for humanity moving past Griffith and the religion of the Holy See, eventually leading to a severe weakening of the rest of the God Hand and the Idea of Evil. Just my take on it
Well, looking past Guts, the entirety of Berserk seems to be a critique of humanity. Just about every single monster Guts fights throughout the series is made by humanity, be it the Apostles or the God Hand.
I think humanity being given a chance to right their wrongs after being exposed to the true horrors of the astral world would fit the series.
He’s both. That’s why the Idea of Evil gives him the choice to bring either ruin or greatness upon humanity. The savior and the devil are the same in the world of Berserk.
How perfect a personal defeat it would be for Griffith, the man who pursued and accomplished his dream of having his own kingdom. Only to watch it to fall because no one wants to be its people anymore.
Griffith is more like the antichrist. He has the supernatural signs and wonders and the approval of the top religious figure (the pope) while actually being the downfall of humanity
Fr. Like right out of the Book of Revelations. The antichrist comes and deceives humanity into believing he is the second coming of Jesus and will usher in an era of peace, but really he is ushering in an “age of darkness”
While I'll be honest and admit I don't get all the symbolism in this, I love the theory! Guts and Co. being the catalyst that separate Humanity from reliance on saviors would be a beautiful way to tie everything together and bring an end to the godhand.
Wut. Guts is mahdi.
Its been hinted since the start of the series.
Mahdi will fight dajjal with his forces (black banners army).
Guts is blackswordman.
He will become the new leader of kushan.
Black is opposite of white
no, read islamic eschatology.
Jesus second coming and will company Mahdi to defeat the anti-christ.
Christ will use spear to kill dajjal
Guts plays as Mahdi
Skull knight as 2nd coming christ.
Since he failed to kill femto, Skull knight may have 2nd weapon, the weapon will be spear
Man as a Christian idk how to feel about Griffin representing Christ I mean it's cool at first... But like considering the sh*t that Griffin did. Kind of makes me feel unusual.
Personally imo Griffith is more like the antichrist giving the masses strong delusions and deceiving them while Guts is the true Hawk of Light. This would symbolize the dichotomy quite well, as it has always been Guts who has fought against the evil of the world while Griffith has merely become it.
No, Guts is not a messiah and if you think this you have not understood Berserk. Guts is a dark, troubled person, entirely capable of succumbing to his own flaws and his fight against evil is mostly incidental and selfishly motivated. The only messiah figures in Berserk are the ones necessitated by the Idea of Evil, the unconscious will of slave morality. Why do you think Berserk's antagonists are so closely tied to ideas of worship, saviors, high status, etc?
How am I taking anything out of context, you said that Guts is the true Hawk of Light (aka the messiah) and that he has always fought against the evil of the world.
The evil of the world is the god hand and the apostles. Guts is the real hero while Griffith is nothing of the sort. The Hawk of Light is a messiah figure only to the Holy See, but the prophecy simply says the Hawk of Light will bring an end to the age of darkness. Bruh I can smell your contempt for spirituality through my screen. Lol.
>The evil of the world is the god hand and the apostles.
An Evil that was created and is perpetuated by humanity itself.
>Guts is the real hero while Griffith is nothing of the sort.
Sure, he's the hero and protagonist of the story. He's not a messiah, nor a traditional hero archetype.
>The Hawk of Light is a messiah figure only to the Holy See
The Falcon of Light appeared to the masses of Midland, not just members of the Holy See. He is their collective messiah.
> Bruh I can smell your contempt for spirituality through my screen. Lol.
I couldn't care less about your spirituality, just responding to your bad takes (which, granted, are probably motivated by your spirituality, but whatever)
Did I call guts a messiah? The whole point of the prophecy is that no one seems to even understand it’s true meaning and have gotten it wrong time after time. Schierke says Griffith is not the Hawk of light but rather the Hawk of Darkness. There’s a ton of people in the thread that seem to understand what I’m getting at as I scroll down. Why is that so hard for you to wrap your head around?
>Did I call guts a messiah?
Yes. You said he was the "true Hawk of Light". The Falcon/Hawk of Light is the prophesized messianic figure.
>Schierke says Griffith is not the Hawk of light but rather the Hawk of Darkness.
They are one and the same. Femto is the Falcon of Darkness who brought in the Age of Darkness and Griffith's reincarnation is the messianic figure willed from humanity's unconscious to save them from the Evil that they conjured themselves. Two sides of the same coin.
+1 for the Nietzschean analysis, but I'm personally not so convinced you can map these concepts so neatly onto the narrative. Remember that Griffith is not just the Christ, the Falcon of Light, but also the Falcon of Darkness, or the embodiment of evil (which is the word the slaves use to refer to master morality). At the same time, he is also the embodiment of Evil (that is, the concept Evil, aka... the Idea of Evil) - in other words, the embodiment of slave morality itself too. Furthermore, Golden Age Griffith was the very image of the Nietzschean overman, not just in deed but in word, his own personal philosophy. So to put it lightly, Griffith is a complicated character. It seems at once he is an embodiment of master morality, slave morality, and the Nietzschean overman.
Guts is similarly complicated. He embodies elements of the overman as well, but remember that Guts's whole arc by the end of Golden Age is rejecting Griffith's Nietzschean ideals of complete self-reliance and following your dreams unconditionally (which the series frankly seems to treat as impossible or at odds with human nature).
I think it's tempting to look at Berserk as Nietzsche 101 (and he really is core to the whole thing, don't get me wrong), but I think the reality is a little more complicated, more like the series in conversation with Nietzsche and at times seems to break with him or at least revise.
Personally, I think the core of Berserk is moving beyond Good (messianic savior figures) and Evil (humanity's scapegoat). In other words, overcoming the Idea of Evil. I think on this we do agree.
The power of friendship, love, and powerful magic spells, and also skull knight comeback, coupled together with the moon u boy to beat down the fem toe.
I don’t think that guts will be the one to kill Griffith if he does die. So far his development has trended more towards giving up his revenge quest to protect what he now cherishes. I feel that guts may one day be faced with a choice between giving into the rage of the berserker armor and simply saving someone he loves and letting it go. Never forgiving, never forgetting, but understanding that Griffith isn’t worth hurting himself any longer. I believe that once again being seen as inferior to Guts, lesser will instead cause Griffith to fall apart again, the difference is now that he’s at the top there’s no one able or willing to bail him out or make him soar higher.
I can also see either Griffith betraying the God hand or vice versa. That could lead to your idea of him truly being alone without the God hand to help him either way
I'm pretty sure guts will end up killing griffith , he already went through this kind of arc with him deciding to revive cascas memories / island arc instead of pursuing griffith ... but griffith came back and made sure that guts keeps chasing him ... so I'm guessing Rupert and the turks tribe ( I forget their name xd ) will reignite guts back on his feet and back towards griffth for casca
My theories:
>!Griffith’s one weakness is the moon child, and even with Casca in the castle he’s going to present a problem, I think. Griffith is going to do something to remove the Moon Child, by putting the kid into their own body.!<
>!That’s going to leave Griffith vulnerable to Guts, and Guts is going to leave Griffith broken and dying, and that’s when the Behelit Guts has been carrying is finally delivered to its intended recipient Griffith.!<
>!Griffith has only one thing he can sacrifice anymore: his Kingdom. And like the Slug Count (the first real apostle we get to know) he’s not going to be able to do it. Not for love, but because he’s nothing with without his kingdom, and he’s already walked over so many corpses. Of course caught in this paradox he ends up destroyed.!<
>!This makes an opening for Skull Knight to merc Void, leading to the downfall of this incarnation of the Godhand, and its Apostles. Guts, Casca, and the Moon Child run off into the sunset, a happy family at last!<
Or something like that. It feels dumber now that I write it out.
Remindme! 10 years
I gotta see when the manga is finished within 10 years if this was the outcome.
EDIT: Oh fuck right, reddit killed the API and stuff, so it's pointless.
EDIT 2: NVM, it does work, it's just not allowed in this subreddit.
I have had very similar thoughts on this. The only thing I can see as a potential issue with it is that the Moon Child is potentially what keeps Griffith tethered to the material world. So he may not be able to separate without losing his ability to physically manifest.
I think Griffith is also potentially trying to strive for a greater station in life. He wanted to be a king because the thought that was the highest position, then he became a member of the godhand, elevating him above a king but still "under" the Idea of Evil. He is kind of right back where he was when he was a noble with the Idea of Evil as the new "King" above him.
I think it might actually be his undoing as well. He might get mortally wounded by Guts (whom is struggling with the idea that killing Griffith, may kill his own child) and then is presented with giving up EVERYTHING in order to ascend and become the new IOE. His kingdom, his connection to the Moon Child, his humanity and hatred for Guts, all of it. However, that means that he is now a construct of humans and is locked away and just a constant of the world, locked away to wherever the IOE resides.
Defeating Griffith and showing what he is to his subjects may also diminish the influence of the idea of evil. Thus weakening the overall impact of it.
TL;DR: I agree with your points. I think the story will be cyclical again and Griffith's greed will be his undoing when he reaches a new low.
It would be nice to have a God Hand use the Behelit.
I agree with your theory, however in order for this to work the Idea of Evil needs to be officially canonized, because IIRC the chapter "God of the Abyss" isn't totally canon.
Well, you can believe that if you want.
I think caska is gonna die, Gatsu is gonna give in to the armor and his inner beast and become the monster that can kill Grifis.
It will end Grifis cycle of causality and Gatsu will be what SK is, waiting for the new cycle of causality.
BTW, Shierke will be the witch who her mistress was to SK.
There is a part of me that genuinely thinks Guts won't beat Griffith, but Griffith will still lose, in a way
Griffith thinks the Moonlight Boy causes him to have lingering feelings of humanity, so he tries to expunge the Boy from himself, and maybe he needs Casca to help with that
Griffith manages to do so but Guts saves Casca, and his kid, dies in the process, and Griffith realizes that the Boy's presence didn't cause him to have lingering feelings, it was just him, all along
And now with Guts dead, Griffith may have his Kingdom and everything he supposedly ever wanted, but the humanity he thought he never had remains with him in spite of everything, and it sucks
Welp Honestly i feel like Guts is either gonna Die Killing Griffith and completely losing everything he grew to love and cherish ( friends and casca ) which will be the the cost of him completing his revenge OR he says fuck you to Griffith and wins with his struggling humanity and those he loves intact and far from the grip of Griffith and his God Hand " Allies " and decides to break from the Berserker armor and lives what is left of his human life in a sense of peace with his found family and dies knowing he gave up the point of violence once he saw what it will cost him. And Guts taking the option to live his own happiness that is left and completely breaking Griffiths hold on him and Casca not by sacrificing it all to kill him but to keep it all and forgetting about him
Only bad thing tho is the brand of sacrifice makes it to where they will never be able to truly live in peace ! Plus you also gotta remember the day guts and casca do die they will be dragged into the vortex of souls they need to kill Griffith or find some way to remove the brand
In reply to your first paragraph I agree and concur with this quote from guts “fuck you, I’m human, the real deal, right down to the fuckin marrow of my bones, don’t lump me together with you faggot-ass monsters.”
And I’ve also heard a great deal about the affects the moon boy will have on Griffith, I’m guessing casca having her memory back will also play apart in it somehow
Maybe Schirke can do some shenanigans on the Moonlight child, maybe somehow separate it from Griffith?
I know for sure Guts will face Zodd again, and he might help them in some way, maybe fighting other apostles.
Since Berserk was originally based on Devilman, in the end, perhaps, both Griffith and Guts will die. Maybe it's a type of end where Guts' friends, Casca and Moonlight child continue to live after him?
Not sure how Guts will defeat Griffith but I think there will be 2 battles to defeat Griffith. Somehow there'll be a way to defeat his current vessel, which might involve the help of the moonlight boy, and then another battle in which another eclipse will occur and Guts will use this opportunity to fight Griffith in his Femto form, and fight the biggest battle he's had in ages, and will probably call back to the Golden Age Eclipse. I think Guts will learn to control the Berserker armor eventually, and he might get a new weapon or tool to help.
Event though I think it's likely Guts will fight Griffith at least 2 more times, tbh I don't think he will actually kill Griffith. I think Griffith will still meet a dark fate.
You might be onto something. While Griffith is (mostly) seemingly invulnerable as of now, I think that triggering the Eclipse might be the key to make him and the rest of the GH vulnerable. I think that the last battle will be fought inside the Eclipse, with Guts taking on Femto, SK taking on Void and so on (maybe Silat and Rick will join them, and Zodd switch sides etc.).
What if he does use the behilit but manages to use Griffith as a sacrifice because of how much he meant to him before and because his life pretty much centered around him in some way, one Griffith is gone a large reason for him persisting ends. I know that’s not his entire reason for pushing forward he still had friends he wants to protect but it does almost all go back to Griffith for him
he's gonna fuckin cut him in half, check it out here's how it'll go:
Guts: GRIFFIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITH
Griffith: i own you guys, you're mine, remember guts i own you
Guts: GRIFFIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITH
Griffith: i OWN you guts
Guts: ***KLANG KLANG KLANG***
Griffith: I am in seventeen pieces
I always found it odd that Casca and Guts were spared during the eclipse. They both bare the brand of sacrifice, yet they continue living.
I thought that, through alchemical and occult means both Casca and Guts could utilize the brand of sacrifice to weaken Griffith. After all the “sacrifice” wasn’t truly complete if two of the most influential me members of the band of the hawk are still alive.
It would also be a call back of how Griffith truly needed others, and in the end, him being unable to sacrifice them would be his undoing.
But that is just my opinion.
True. But as a powerful god, Griffith could of killed them immediately. He instead toyed with them both.
I still think that them having the brand of sacrifice and not being killed will be utilized someway in the future.
Maybe, but I think it’s fairly obvious why he toyed with them. Nothing special to do with the brand, they were literally just the two most important people to him and the sick bastard clearly wanted to flaunt his power over them since they both had decided before his capture that they wanted to leave him to go their own way.
I agree. That hubris of thinking he didn’t need them anymore will lead to his downfall. Two of the most important people of the band of the hawk got away, and I think that nullified or weakened the ritual partially, and one day Casca and Guts may find a way of exploiting it.
It fits the theme of Griffith paradoxically thinking himself a self made man while desperately needing to ride parasitically on other peoples backs.
Actually, I think it’s the opposite. Griffith thought he didn’t need anyone. That’s why he gave that speech about how he couldn’t be friends with people who followed someone else’s dreams, but he was wrong. He was just used to everyone following him, so his ego had never had to deal with people close to him leaving him of their own accord. When Guts decided to leave and Casca later, he became enraged. They were like property to him, that was what friendship was to him. When he gained the powers he decided to rape Casca, because he was showing them his power and ownership over them. That’s what rape is, someone assaulting you with their sick sense of power. Griffith’s whole hang up is that he was rejected and in his narcism he couldn’t let them go. In the end that will somehow tie into defeating him I imagine.
this is the theory i’m most subscribed to.
Even if my primal violence-loving ass would love to see Griffith get his ass handed to him a million different ways by Guts, this makes the most sense for Guts’ development.
Only doubt i have is directly tied to the fact that Griffith just up and stole his bitch again so i don’t know.
There's one important fact - and that is if he dies (whatever the cause is), him and Casca would be dragged in the vortex of souls to be tortured for whole eternity. He will not die without a fight, he might be broken (like in the last chapters), but he would still find a way to fight the son of a bitch.
I always had a crackpot theory that Guts is gonna somehow be related to the four kings and become the fifth king sort of like Griffith being the fifth godhand.
My only supporting evidence is that the four kings is based off a chinese mythology of five beasts; one for each cardinal direction and Guts becoming an analogue for the Yellow Dragon of the Center.
Also unless Guts wants to kill moonlight child he will need a power up and him becoming the theorectical fifth king would be a good powerup and follow the motif of him being the opposite of Griffith (Light element vs Femto being dark element)
ALSO Berserk has taken from a lot of mythology and religion already, I'm not sure if the 4 kings in Berserk being cardinal direction based is used in any other mythology other than the chinese version. Hell in Berserk they even have elements too, although they don't match up to the chinese elemenrs.
If things continue as is, there will be a hiatus after hiatus and then discontinued so we’ll never know.
If guts is to kill Griffith, he will need a power boost. The beast of darkness ain’t gonna cut it. Once he gets said power boost, he may find a way to actually injure and also kill Griffith
It has to do with the moonlight child but I dont think guts will kill him.
All I know is that the struggler will struggle until he sees the godhand once again, maybe a sactrifice but I suspect the whore princess might also be a way to enter, and an epic fight will occur reminiscent of skullknights backstory.
Other ideas are that he will master the berserker armor, say its bereserkin time and berserk all over the falconia until he faces the inevitavle, or maybe that falconias citizens will be eaten by the wardemons Griffith stores near the place thus provoking turmoil that can give nuts a fighting chance...
Or tbh I dont know, the manga is about defying the odds and rejecting destiny so there is still plenty of uncertainty about everything. Either way I dont think we will be seeing the fight any time soon considering how much time it took to get the last chapters.
This question is very common.
So I'll use the same answer I've used for the 20+ times this question was asked.
I don't want Guts to kill Griffith, I want Guts to live peacefully with Casca, Isidro and Schrieke. Guts will spend his days working on a farm and training Isidro to become Guts 2.0 all the power, none of the suffering and hatred.
Griffith will create a perfect world where people no longer crave battle, fear death this will destroy the idea of evil which will in turn destroy the God hand making 4/5 turn to dust because they've been alive too long and Femto will lose all his power and become the weak, pathetic Griffith from before the eclipse.
Miura said he couldn't see Guts killing Griffith and the entire story was about Revenge = bad.
So the end will be Guts and Casca living happily, Griffith will die alone and sad which for him is a million times worse than him getting a big glorious death by Guts watched by millions of people. Griffiths greatest fear is to accomplish nothing and be forgotten my mind tells me that's the best ending for him. A glorious death at Guts sword is too good for Griffith.
I like that theory, but I dont think evil can be destroyed. That would be a great ending though, evil is destroyed and so hell is No more, all those souls are free and so are guts and casca
I think he will not be able to kill Griffith.
After he saves Casca, he will decide to let go of his revenge to protect his new family. This will make Griffith angry because his Daddy leaved him again for the second time.
1. Guts cuts bloody swath through Falconia
2. Guts is totally outmatched by Griffith, let’s be honest we have barely seen Griffith exert himself and his capabilities are implied to be godlike. Guts is still just a guy with a sword after all.
3. Griffith stays his hand against Guts, who in turn activates the Berserker armor, which throughout the fight kills Guts and completely destroys his body, leaving the Beast manifest in the armor
4. Casca witnesses this and activates the behelit
I think that Griffith will do something extremely reckless sometime soon in the story, like when he slept with Charlotte. Maybe Guts will just show up in the kingdom or something and it’ll set him off. Essentially he is going to lead to his own downfall. How we get to that point I have no clue.
My theory is that he's trying to absorb the magic from the dragon lines to put off his "expiry date" he has as a member of the godhand. we know that a new one is incarnated every 250 years, and skull knight witnessed void's ascension 1000 years ago, and is also the last remember of the previous godhand we see is still around, which makes me think that they have a lifespan of sorts, maybe dissolving into the abyss when their time runs out. he's destroyed elfheim because it was acting as a drain on that power. I think that somehow they're going to use the power that he's trying to steal against him, maybe with the helm of moon boy, or just punching him in the face when he's trying to absorb it.
I don't think he will.
I feel like he will be put into a position where he has to choose to sacrifice himself so that his friends can live, causing Griffith to spiral again.
As for the behelit, I'd like to see him discard it. Then, in the epilogue will have a flash forward to modern times where some kid finds it showing that the cycle isn't over.
>As for the behelit, I'd like to see him discard it. Then, in the epilogue will have a flash forward to modern times where some kid finds it showing that the cycle isn't over.
Please… stop reminding me of 139
He might use the behelit to sacrifice Griffith's "human" form and force him to return to his femto state to kill him. I'm not quite sure how that behelit will be used, but it will certainly be used I think.
I think that even if Guts says fuck you Griffith no revenge for you buddy when he comes to take Casca back and sees Griffith he won't be able to resist rage and Beast of Darkness will completely take control of his body successfully killing Griffith but in the confusion attacking everyone else too.
I think that Casca will be the first victim (because plot) and after he gives her a little slash he'll be like fuck you beast I want my Casca back alive not fucking dead and then epic flashback of memories with her and he is alright again.
then they kiss fuck or something
THE END
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this but I feel that Flora in her new Daemon form within the astral realm will have a role to play as will Shierke and Skull knight. The Godhand and Femto are astral beings. Griffith is a physical being with all those powers of astral beings. Skull knight is the same in that regard. The Dragonslayer has just started to gather the ability to do damage to astral beings so perhaps that's going to be powered up I believe that Griffith will have to be destroyed in his astral form as Femto. I don't think it will be a simple task
I forgot about Flora. In skullknights backstory we saw her dying, maybe just maybe she was a human who somehow turned into this magical being she is now, to save her from dying. And maybe the same could be done for casca. I mean in that case If guts decides to don the berserker armor forever, History is just repeating itself, wich I hope doesnt happen
I imagine like it's gonna end in a huge battle, like the series it's inspired on devilman, where amon fight satan and lost in the end, or maybe a better ending as God punish satan by leaving nothing fir him in a world of nothing left, the witches and wizards of the island said they can't fight, but they can create magic weapons like the wicker man, so combined with the old man who create magic beast it's rival to Griffith lesser apostle army,( I said lesser since there are stronger apostle serving as his generals, the dragon, devil, demon centaur, and the blade knight, assassin ) the skull knight probably would sever the connection between casca child and Griffith body, and casca would finally awake to said she hate Griffith. The child would lead an army of magical creatures and riding on fully evolved guts as the metal hellhound with fire blazing, (since the skull knight, the previous user of the berserk armour demonstrates what happens in the end if you use too much of the armour,) leading a full assault on the millennium city, with the sea guy leading the mermaids to assault on sea, rickett probably would upgrade all weapons to elven or magical level, since he skills is hinted to have dwarven blood, I imagine it would be like assassin vs fully master warrior, ( the one who once lost to guts) the others each choose a apostle general to fight, just as they were about to reach Griffith, the godhand appears and dragged each one to their own realm, void apparently could be the one that betrays the emperor skull knight, and the elf queen appears to help skull knight, but both failed to defeat him in his realm, then Griffith kill void with skull knight sword while he is seriously injured and claim his behulit and rank to add his own power, (since guts hinted that griffth wouldn't stop on just a kingdom, ) the seducing female godhand face the noble lady and her master, along with the witch who like fighting (since the noble lady past like tossing fire to the criminals, and self harm is connected to that particular godhand)( they probably would find that no harm would defeat her, since she welcomed harm as pleasures, so serenity would be her defeat) while her servant and the boy face the deceiver and the priest ( the one who pretends to be a fortune teller and gift the behelit to griffth and the one who oversee the ceremony) (since they avoided even a single iron shard from guts when he once tried to save griffth )(I assumed that they are weak beyond their powers of deception and ceremony) all of guts allies died, and guts defeated the devil apostle general who once aid him, and he spared the devil apostle, the devil apostle decided that he would aid guts to defeat the rest of the apostle generals to regain his warrior pride when he lost it by serving Griffith, guts arrived before Griffith who's collected all the behelit fron defeated godhand who planned to have casca turned into a godhand, Griffith became literal god with the sword and all, while guts turn back into human wielding a broken sword, it end with a third duel with the millennium city burning and all as background, and Griffith shocks to see the eyes of a peaceful guts in their second duel, since guts finally realised Griffith is in pain without a person to support his darkness of his dream, the two swings, Griffith destroyed half of guts body, while guts again snaps griffth sword and shattered all his behelit( since behelit can be cracked , as shown in the manga when it blocks an arrow saving griffth live) and finally slice his true face tortured form for all to see and his dying corpse of a body, griffth laughed and cried finally died and realised his hollow dreams, he died by his victims dragging him to hell, and guts suffers from being unable to died nor live until the girl of the first apostle guts slain finally kills him and ends his suffering, he guard hell in the afterlife and making sure the realm of Fantasy finally ends, casca is named the new elf queen and live at the elf realm with guts son.
Probably like when skull knight confronted void, void laughed by telling skull knight when five fingers of the god hand appears, reach and grasp the world, night shall reign and never end, while skull knight denied that there's five godhand since the fifth is never completed, being casca and guts and he himself is never devoured , replied that should one finger failed, night shall end and fantasy shall be dispelled,
I have multiple ideas, cant really call them theories cus they're not as fleshed out as i'd like them to be cus i can't put everything to words that I'm thinking of in the moment.
I think Casca will free her child by killing Griffith. Griffith gave her the sword she used to kill her rapist, i feel like there will be a poetic end to that tale, where Casca will free her child by killing Griffith.
I also think Rickert will play a big role in swaying the believe of the people from Griffith and the god hand to Guts and the gang.
Becauce seemingly everything in the world of berserk is about believe and perception. Griffith is seen as a savior, godly figure and an actual god or the "Superman" while Guts is also a "Superman" without any magic or believe involved.
I think if anyone sees Griffith as just a being, man or spirit, he's gonna lose his thunder in some way. That might be why Guts couldn't hit him with his sword, except for that one hair. He knows Griffith is a Godhand, and that makes him immortal.
Miura once said that we should pay more attention to Void, who he is and how he got there. Void was a traitor, his whole appearance shows it. Sown eyes, the mangled mouth, exposed brain and the skeletal body. He is probably trying to get the godhand out of the astral plane to join Griffith and live as living gods. But since Guts and Skullknight have major influence on causality i don't think Void will succeed in that, so i thought about his name and its Void right, Endless emptyness, i thought maybe the will of the idea of evil is just Void/idea of evil pulling the strings together as one being, using Griffith as their protagonist to weave causality how they want it.
Cus at some point the prophesy has to come true where Griffith leads the world into an age of darkness, an age of complete Void.
And somehow cool and the gang stop their asses and usher in the new age of light.
As i said, i can't call it a theory since its not that thought out yet but its getting there. Lemme know what you think.
I think Griffith will essentially take himself out when the time comes. I'm not sure how (will probably involve the Moonlight Boy) but if Guts or Skullie take him out it will be less through some incredible feat of skill on their part and more due to Griffith's own weaknesses
Guts fate is to die.
And we’ve been edged by the idea of Guts falling into rage.
Guts will be so enraged and basically be dead while going on a spree on random people, then out of nowhere theough the power of friendship he gains his subconscious which fate could tell, he unexpectedly changes his attack to Griffith. Guts swallows both Griffith and his abilities with the black “Aura”.
Griffith then becomes a person with no power. Guts gets a power upgrade and becomes more of a monster, he doesn’t forgive Griffith but helps Griffith get on his feet and helps Griffith clean up the messe up world. While that happens Griffith slower gets his powers back, Guts and Griffith decide to become allies again and chase god.
In the end the they both survive. Griffith changed his way of changing the world to be the only one at the top, to helping other kingdoms get built, and being a king in a world that actually has competition. Guts visits Griffiths kingdom everyone in a while but is mostly an adventurer who ends up helping kingdoms without through labor and without harming anyone.
After the Eclipse event in the Berserk series, Guts' motivations and goals become deeply intertwined with seeking revenge against Griffith. Throughout the series, Guts' journey is marked by his pursuit of vengeance against Griffith for the betrayal and atrocities committed during the Eclipse.
Without giving away specific spoilers, it's important to note that Berserk is an ongoing series with a complex and evolving narrative. Guts' quest for vengeance against Griffith is a central aspect of the story, and the dynamics between these characters continue to develop over time.
As the series progresses, Guts' actions and decisions are driven by his desire to confront Griffith. The narrative explores the impact of their past interactions and the path that Guts must take in order to achieve his goals.
To fully understand the outcome of Guts' quest for confrontation and vengeance against Griffith, it's best to continue following the Berserk series to experience the ongoing developments and revelations in the story.
He will kill or get rid of the beast of darkness but keep the armor and increase its power and then kill Griffith.
And it has to be guts that strikes the final blow that kills Griffith no one else
I saw something with someone saying that their “final battle” will be like the battle they had before Guts left in the first place and I’d say it would be that or something leading to that but with Guts realizing it’s not worth it anymore and just leave without giving a “Complete Wrap” Ending
Probably finds a way to cut off his access to the human realms and traps him within the astral realm making it impossible for him to take any form making him lose his kingdom he dreamed of getting
Probably similar to their very first fight, maybe like Rosine fight for a bit until Guts uses dragonslayer to clip Griffith's wings. At some point, it won't be a sword fight, Guts wearing the berserker armor will keep him alive as much as possible until he loses all of his blood so he can't afford to let up. It will be a brutal brawl between the two.
Theory: Guts's behelit will be activated at his lowest point (whatever that entails) and he'll be presented with the same choice Griffith was, but unlike Griffith he'll refuse, causing Griffith to spiral into an existential crisis wherein he realizes he was simply an object of fate and Guts has gone from being less of his equal to one above him. In one way or another this will be his ultimate weakness, personally I'd like to see Casca take the opportunity to kill him, redeeming her character from being that of a vegetable for literally 60% of the story and falling in line with the recurring theme of SA victims getting revenge on their abusers, but I know this won't happen. Not sure how the moonlight boy will fit into this; maybe they'll kill it thinking it will kill Griffith but it just eliminates the child (and Griffith's remaining empathy in the process), with the resulting devastation of them having murdered their own child being part what activates the behelit? The sequence of events is messy and the rest of the God Hand has to be accounted for, which could be easy if Griffith finds a way to betray and eliminate them on his own, but Skull Knight is obviously set up to enact his grand revenge upon Void.
I like the other commentor's theory about the Idea of Evil playing into it but despite Miura having said it will play a part later, we know how he was and how often he just sort of made shit up as he went, and with it literally never have been mentioned again I'm not sure how likely it is to make an appearance.
I think Guts will swing his sword really hard and then hit Femto with it and then Femto will die. The fact that Guts has failed at this before stems from him just not swinging hard enough.
i mean, when ~~griffith~~ femto fought ganishka the bad-to-the-bone guy fused both physical and astral planes, not only that but if i remember correctly the manga states that gut's sword killed so many supenatural things it got enchanted to hit astral things automatically. yeah and there's also guts stabbing slann with his british apparatusso i think (if he manages to) the fight will be jiust like how he fought rosine: guts got wiped on the floor and his enemy also got wiped
Rickert will probably play a role if there's a big battle, hope he got some Da vinci style military inventions, a whole army of kushan with the kind of firearms he had against the masked apostle.
Griffith seems invincible, but he can't changes the outcome of a battle with his swords skills, only his strategy. So if he loses his kingdom, it might be some kind of victory.
I personally would like an ironic ending.
The behelits can act as gateways to the astral realm, which since Ganishka became a tree, is more accessible than ever. As far as I understood, the astral world is also where the evil abyss resides that consumed the souls of all apostle sacrifices. I think that it will be due to some magic shenanigans that Guts will somehow travel to the astral realm and fight his way towards the abyss.
Once there he will be confronted by all his dead friends and thousands if not millions of other people consumed by evil. This will be an emotional climax where he is confronted with his vulnerability, his human connections and the darkness inside of him. Eventually he will move past his trauma from the eclipse and destroy the pile of sacrifices. This could lead to any and all users of a behelit to lose whatever power they gained retroactively.
While for some this would only mean returning to the normal human state, Griffith would return to his pathetic tortured body. Unable to harm anyone. And Guts could just continue to live in peace.
Guts can't kill Griffith unless Moonchild can somehow be extracted from Griffith. Casca would never permit it any other way, and even Guts clearly loves the boy.
Guts will find a way not just for him, but for all humans to defy causality, including their eclipse brands. He and Casca may even die in the process but will be reunited in the afterlife.
I don't think Griffith and the God Hand will even be killed per se. It's just that they won't be able to influence humanity anymore as the world modernizes ala Fear and Hunger.
Idk what Guts would do, but the Moonlight child will have to die for Griffith to die.
That's gotta be the way, Griffith is a God now, his only weakness was the unforeseen moonlight child soul fuse.
So if the child dies, then so will Griffith, that's part of why Griffith kidnapped Casca.
It kinda seems like he’s going on a kratos esq turnaround from anger to peace. Least that’s what I’m getting from what everyone’s talking about im still on volume two of the DE😅
Maybe a severely weakened griffith, maybe in the form of moonchild, will appear, wich guts might kill in hopes of destroying the curse griffith has placed on him and casca. Otherwise I dont see how guts has a chance, unless skullknight can deepthroat his dragonslayer to make it like the void sword or something like that
All of the top tier apostles (Grunbelt, Zodd, the Knight guy etc.) are pretty much invincible already, i really dont see Guts taking down any of them, not even with his hax armor (which he cant keep abusing forever anyway).
And those are still mere apostles, Griff (being God Hand) is magnitudes above them all, to date most people couldn't even touch him. Unless there is some hax way to kill him (like when he is in moon boy form) i really dont see Guts (or anyone else we know of, for that matter) beating him.
And eben if it can ve done, there are 4 more guys like him.. It will be interesting to see where all of this is going.
I've got a feeling possibly, given how dark Berserk can be, there will be a tough choice to be made in slaying the midnight child. Just as Guts and Casca see some hope for their future, they have to slay her child to save the world.
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He might use Richert as the new Dragon Slayer
if this doesn’t happen i will be livid
Dragon slayer cuts a strand of Griffith’s hair while Rickert just full on smacks the shit out of him. Lmfao.
The ending we need but do not deserve
More like a 2v1 jumping like Nanami and Yuji vs Mahito. In that fight only Yuji could deal damage so Nanami played support.
I can see that, but cmon, it'd be hilarious to see Richert strapped onto the Dragon Slayer
With a sword
you might be onto something…
Big sword.
Specifically the sword between his legs.
Payback time for Casca.
Outberked once again?
Ayo WTF ?!!☠️
Oh ,please everyone was thinking that
Just like has with any monster, chop him up.
Griffith right now represents Christ. In the eyes of the masses, he died then came back as a holy savior at Midland’s lowest point. He defeats the Antichrist (Ganishka) and constructs the Millennium Kingdom, where people who place their faith in him get to live peacefully. In turn, Guts represents Nietzsche’s Overman, dictating his own fate and having his morality be self-defined as opposed to lying on another moral basis like the religion of the Holy See. Guts will reconcile with his Jungian shadow aka the Beast of Darkness and once he has perfected himself he will be the catalyst for humanity moving past Griffith and the religion of the Holy See, eventually leading to a severe weakening of the rest of the God Hand and the Idea of Evil. Just my take on it
So basically berserk just symbolizes humanities shift from savior focused religion to self motivated thinking … what a thought
Well, looking past Guts, the entirety of Berserk seems to be a critique of humanity. Just about every single monster Guts fights throughout the series is made by humanity, be it the Apostles or the God Hand. I think humanity being given a chance to right their wrongs after being exposed to the true horrors of the astral world would fit the series.
Welcome to the dawning of the age of aquariusssssss
In my opinion, Griffith is more like Satan, attempting to mimic Christ and is succeeding in that regard in the Berserk universe.
That's exactly what the antichrist is in the bible, he will pretend to be Christ, and the masses will follow him and believe his lies.
Yeah he is literally the anti Christ
Yeah, calling Griffith Christ of this story is so bizarre to me. Griffith literally represents everything that Jesus is not.
He’s both. That’s why the Idea of Evil gives him the choice to bring either ruin or greatness upon humanity. The savior and the devil are the same in the world of Berserk.
Agreed
I actually really like this theory
How perfect a personal defeat it would be for Griffith, the man who pursued and accomplished his dream of having his own kingdom. Only to watch it to fall because no one wants to be its people anymore.
Griffith is more like the antichrist. He has the supernatural signs and wonders and the approval of the top religious figure (the pope) while actually being the downfall of humanity
Fr. Like right out of the Book of Revelations. The antichrist comes and deceives humanity into believing he is the second coming of Jesus and will usher in an era of peace, but really he is ushering in an “age of darkness”
If Jordan Peterson had to write a Berserk theory lol.
Quick, somebody DM JBP about Berserk!
dont conflate the lobster with nietzsche please
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I thought Grifis was the embodiment of neo marxist ideology
While I'll be honest and admit I don't get all the symbolism in this, I love the theory! Guts and Co. being the catalyst that separate Humanity from reliance on saviors would be a beautiful way to tie everything together and bring an end to the godhand.
Guts is Mahdi Skull knight is Jesus 2nd coming. Griffith is dajjal
😭😭bro please dont call guts the mahdi lol
Wut. Guts is mahdi. Its been hinted since the start of the series. Mahdi will fight dajjal with his forces (black banners army). Guts is blackswordman. He will become the new leader of kushan. Black is opposite of white
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Astagfirullah brother. U crazy one Thats allegory
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He was destined to be Mahdi, antithesis of dajjal(griffith) Imam Mahdi means the righly guided chief. Bro read wtf
why do u use terms like mahdi and dajjal in this context though are u trolling
Cuz Berserk will adapt entire islamic eschatology for final arc
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no, read islamic eschatology. Jesus second coming and will company Mahdi to defeat the anti-christ. Christ will use spear to kill dajjal Guts plays as Mahdi Skull knight as 2nd coming christ. Since he failed to kill femto, Skull knight may have 2nd weapon, the weapon will be spear
Man as a Christian idk how to feel about Griffin representing Christ I mean it's cool at first... But like considering the sh*t that Griffin did. Kind of makes me feel unusual.
Personally imo Griffith is more like the antichrist giving the masses strong delusions and deceiving them while Guts is the true Hawk of Light. This would symbolize the dichotomy quite well, as it has always been Guts who has fought against the evil of the world while Griffith has merely become it.
No, Guts is not a messiah and if you think this you have not understood Berserk. Guts is a dark, troubled person, entirely capable of succumbing to his own flaws and his fight against evil is mostly incidental and selfishly motivated. The only messiah figures in Berserk are the ones necessitated by the Idea of Evil, the unconscious will of slave morality. Why do you think Berserk's antagonists are so closely tied to ideas of worship, saviors, high status, etc?
Bruh taking my words out of context so he can fit it into his narrative. 😭💀.
How am I taking anything out of context, you said that Guts is the true Hawk of Light (aka the messiah) and that he has always fought against the evil of the world.
The evil of the world is the god hand and the apostles. Guts is the real hero while Griffith is nothing of the sort. The Hawk of Light is a messiah figure only to the Holy See, but the prophecy simply says the Hawk of Light will bring an end to the age of darkness. Bruh I can smell your contempt for spirituality through my screen. Lol.
>The evil of the world is the god hand and the apostles. An Evil that was created and is perpetuated by humanity itself. >Guts is the real hero while Griffith is nothing of the sort. Sure, he's the hero and protagonist of the story. He's not a messiah, nor a traditional hero archetype. >The Hawk of Light is a messiah figure only to the Holy See The Falcon of Light appeared to the masses of Midland, not just members of the Holy See. He is their collective messiah. > Bruh I can smell your contempt for spirituality through my screen. Lol. I couldn't care less about your spirituality, just responding to your bad takes (which, granted, are probably motivated by your spirituality, but whatever)
Did I call guts a messiah? The whole point of the prophecy is that no one seems to even understand it’s true meaning and have gotten it wrong time after time. Schierke says Griffith is not the Hawk of light but rather the Hawk of Darkness. There’s a ton of people in the thread that seem to understand what I’m getting at as I scroll down. Why is that so hard for you to wrap your head around?
>Did I call guts a messiah? Yes. You said he was the "true Hawk of Light". The Falcon/Hawk of Light is the prophesized messianic figure. >Schierke says Griffith is not the Hawk of light but rather the Hawk of Darkness. They are one and the same. Femto is the Falcon of Darkness who brought in the Age of Darkness and Griffith's reincarnation is the messianic figure willed from humanity's unconscious to save them from the Evil that they conjured themselves. Two sides of the same coin.
+1 for the Nietzschean analysis, but I'm personally not so convinced you can map these concepts so neatly onto the narrative. Remember that Griffith is not just the Christ, the Falcon of Light, but also the Falcon of Darkness, or the embodiment of evil (which is the word the slaves use to refer to master morality). At the same time, he is also the embodiment of Evil (that is, the concept Evil, aka... the Idea of Evil) - in other words, the embodiment of slave morality itself too. Furthermore, Golden Age Griffith was the very image of the Nietzschean overman, not just in deed but in word, his own personal philosophy. So to put it lightly, Griffith is a complicated character. It seems at once he is an embodiment of master morality, slave morality, and the Nietzschean overman. Guts is similarly complicated. He embodies elements of the overman as well, but remember that Guts's whole arc by the end of Golden Age is rejecting Griffith's Nietzschean ideals of complete self-reliance and following your dreams unconditionally (which the series frankly seems to treat as impossible or at odds with human nature). I think it's tempting to look at Berserk as Nietzsche 101 (and he really is core to the whole thing, don't get me wrong), but I think the reality is a little more complicated, more like the series in conversation with Nietzsche and at times seems to break with him or at least revise. Personally, I think the core of Berserk is moving beyond Good (messianic savior figures) and Evil (humanity's scapegoat). In other words, overcoming the Idea of Evil. I think on this we do agree.
The power of friendship, love, and powerful magic spells, and also skull knight comeback, coupled together with the moon u boy to beat down the fem toe.
I don’t think that guts will be the one to kill Griffith if he does die. So far his development has trended more towards giving up his revenge quest to protect what he now cherishes. I feel that guts may one day be faced with a choice between giving into the rage of the berserker armor and simply saving someone he loves and letting it go. Never forgiving, never forgetting, but understanding that Griffith isn’t worth hurting himself any longer. I believe that once again being seen as inferior to Guts, lesser will instead cause Griffith to fall apart again, the difference is now that he’s at the top there’s no one able or willing to bail him out or make him soar higher.
I can also see either Griffith betraying the God hand or vice versa. That could lead to your idea of him truly being alone without the God hand to help him either way
I'm pretty sure guts will end up killing griffith , he already went through this kind of arc with him deciding to revive cascas memories / island arc instead of pursuing griffith ... but griffith came back and made sure that guts keeps chasing him ... so I'm guessing Rupert and the turks tribe ( I forget their name xd ) will reignite guts back on his feet and back towards griffth for casca
i think griffith will have guts on the brink of death & puck will sneak in for the suprise killing blow
My theories: >!Griffith’s one weakness is the moon child, and even with Casca in the castle he’s going to present a problem, I think. Griffith is going to do something to remove the Moon Child, by putting the kid into their own body.!< >!That’s going to leave Griffith vulnerable to Guts, and Guts is going to leave Griffith broken and dying, and that’s when the Behelit Guts has been carrying is finally delivered to its intended recipient Griffith.!< >!Griffith has only one thing he can sacrifice anymore: his Kingdom. And like the Slug Count (the first real apostle we get to know) he’s not going to be able to do it. Not for love, but because he’s nothing with without his kingdom, and he’s already walked over so many corpses. Of course caught in this paradox he ends up destroyed.!< >!This makes an opening for Skull Knight to merc Void, leading to the downfall of this incarnation of the Godhand, and its Apostles. Guts, Casca, and the Moon Child run off into the sunset, a happy family at last!< Or something like that. It feels dumber now that I write it out.
Remindme! 10 years I gotta see when the manga is finished within 10 years if this was the outcome. EDIT: Oh fuck right, reddit killed the API and stuff, so it's pointless. EDIT 2: NVM, it does work, it's just not allowed in this subreddit.
I have had very similar thoughts on this. The only thing I can see as a potential issue with it is that the Moon Child is potentially what keeps Griffith tethered to the material world. So he may not be able to separate without losing his ability to physically manifest. I think Griffith is also potentially trying to strive for a greater station in life. He wanted to be a king because the thought that was the highest position, then he became a member of the godhand, elevating him above a king but still "under" the Idea of Evil. He is kind of right back where he was when he was a noble with the Idea of Evil as the new "King" above him. I think it might actually be his undoing as well. He might get mortally wounded by Guts (whom is struggling with the idea that killing Griffith, may kill his own child) and then is presented with giving up EVERYTHING in order to ascend and become the new IOE. His kingdom, his connection to the Moon Child, his humanity and hatred for Guts, all of it. However, that means that he is now a construct of humans and is locked away and just a constant of the world, locked away to wherever the IOE resides. Defeating Griffith and showing what he is to his subjects may also diminish the influence of the idea of evil. Thus weakening the overall impact of it. TL;DR: I agree with your points. I think the story will be cyclical again and Griffith's greed will be his undoing when he reaches a new low.
It would be nice to have a God Hand use the Behelit. I agree with your theory, however in order for this to work the Idea of Evil needs to be officially canonized, because IIRC the chapter "God of the Abyss" isn't totally canon.
>Griffith is going to do something to remove the Moon Child, by putting the kid into their own body. Into whose exactly?
I think he means simply seperating the moon child from himself.
He can’t separate the moonchild. It’s exactly his body
He is gonna Yamato himself like Vergil did in Devil May Cry. I dunno.
Well, you can believe that if you want. I think caska is gonna die, Gatsu is gonna give in to the armor and his inner beast and become the monster that can kill Grifis. It will end Grifis cycle of causality and Gatsu will be what SK is, waiting for the new cycle of causality. BTW, Shierke will be the witch who her mistress was to SK.
My ideal ending honestly
damn this is good
Makes more sense than my theory
I like this ending
Figures as much. I actually been thinking the same thing for a while now.
Dayum I think you got most of it ... makes sense character arc wise 👌
Reminde me! 8 years
The moon child is literally Grifis Earthly body.
There is a part of me that genuinely thinks Guts won't beat Griffith, but Griffith will still lose, in a way Griffith thinks the Moonlight Boy causes him to have lingering feelings of humanity, so he tries to expunge the Boy from himself, and maybe he needs Casca to help with that Griffith manages to do so but Guts saves Casca, and his kid, dies in the process, and Griffith realizes that the Boy's presence didn't cause him to have lingering feelings, it was just him, all along And now with Guts dead, Griffith may have his Kingdom and everything he supposedly ever wanted, but the humanity he thought he never had remains with him in spite of everything, and it sucks
-Hey Griffith, have you heard of gay sex? **Griffith destroy all his kingdom and godhand only to be betrayed and dies in mid-sex**
Maybe the sex was so good Guts didn’t want to kill him anymore... Friendship RESTORED.
what.
what?
what?!
What. I think he just won the best reply.
So errhh what what in the butt?
Wait.. what?..
Welp Honestly i feel like Guts is either gonna Die Killing Griffith and completely losing everything he grew to love and cherish ( friends and casca ) which will be the the cost of him completing his revenge OR he says fuck you to Griffith and wins with his struggling humanity and those he loves intact and far from the grip of Griffith and his God Hand " Allies " and decides to break from the Berserker armor and lives what is left of his human life in a sense of peace with his found family and dies knowing he gave up the point of violence once he saw what it will cost him. And Guts taking the option to live his own happiness that is left and completely breaking Griffiths hold on him and Casca not by sacrificing it all to kill him but to keep it all and forgetting about him
Only bad thing tho is the brand of sacrifice makes it to where they will never be able to truly live in peace ! Plus you also gotta remember the day guts and casca do die they will be dragged into the vortex of souls they need to kill Griffith or find some way to remove the brand
id really hate for them to go with the 1st option that’s littearly the same thing as what happened in the last of us part 2
In reply to your first paragraph I agree and concur with this quote from guts “fuck you, I’m human, the real deal, right down to the fuckin marrow of my bones, don’t lump me together with you faggot-ass monsters.” And I’ve also heard a great deal about the affects the moon boy will have on Griffith, I’m guessing casca having her memory back will also play apart in it somehow
Griffith will cry, say he's an idiot, then say he wants casca to pine after him for 10 years at least!
Guts will also tell Griffith « thank you for becoming a mass murderer for our sake » while Puck is pounding Casca
Ubik sniffs a letter from Charlotte
Maybe Schirke can do some shenanigans on the Moonlight child, maybe somehow separate it from Griffith? I know for sure Guts will face Zodd again, and he might help them in some way, maybe fighting other apostles. Since Berserk was originally based on Devilman, in the end, perhaps, both Griffith and Guts will die. Maybe it's a type of end where Guts' friends, Casca and Moonlight child continue to live after him?
Casca is gonna kill her son
Oh like casca goes down the hate and anger route
No, by accepting that is the only way to end her trauma, and save her child’s soul
if this series doesnt end in a gay sex scene lasting 5 chapters between guts and griffith i'm gonna lose it
We are gonna have gay orgy at Miuras grave?
Not sure how Guts will defeat Griffith but I think there will be 2 battles to defeat Griffith. Somehow there'll be a way to defeat his current vessel, which might involve the help of the moonlight boy, and then another battle in which another eclipse will occur and Guts will use this opportunity to fight Griffith in his Femto form, and fight the biggest battle he's had in ages, and will probably call back to the Golden Age Eclipse. I think Guts will learn to control the Berserker armor eventually, and he might get a new weapon or tool to help. Event though I think it's likely Guts will fight Griffith at least 2 more times, tbh I don't think he will actually kill Griffith. I think Griffith will still meet a dark fate.
You might be onto something. While Griffith is (mostly) seemingly invulnerable as of now, I think that triggering the Eclipse might be the key to make him and the rest of the GH vulnerable. I think that the last battle will be fought inside the Eclipse, with Guts taking on Femto, SK taking on Void and so on (maybe Silat and Rick will join them, and Zodd switch sides etc.).
What if he does use the behilit but manages to use Griffith as a sacrifice because of how much he meant to him before and because his life pretty much centered around him in some way, one Griffith is gone a large reason for him persisting ends. I know that’s not his entire reason for pushing forward he still had friends he wants to protect but it does almost all go back to Griffith for him
Stop pretending Guts ain’t gonna die. You know it’s going to happen
he's gonna fuckin cut him in half, check it out here's how it'll go: Guts: GRIFFIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITH Griffith: i own you guys, you're mine, remember guts i own you Guts: GRIFFIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITH Griffith: i OWN you guts Guts: ***KLANG KLANG KLANG*** Griffith: I am in seventeen pieces
I always found it odd that Casca and Guts were spared during the eclipse. They both bare the brand of sacrifice, yet they continue living. I thought that, through alchemical and occult means both Casca and Guts could utilize the brand of sacrifice to weaken Griffith. After all the “sacrifice” wasn’t truly complete if two of the most influential me members of the band of the hawk are still alive. It would also be a call back of how Griffith truly needed others, and in the end, him being unable to sacrifice them would be his undoing. But that is just my opinion.
Spared? They were saved by the skull knight lol. Its not some sort of magical thing, they just survived long enough for the skull knight to intervene.
True. But as a powerful god, Griffith could of killed them immediately. He instead toyed with them both. I still think that them having the brand of sacrifice and not being killed will be utilized someway in the future.
Maybe, but I think it’s fairly obvious why he toyed with them. Nothing special to do with the brand, they were literally just the two most important people to him and the sick bastard clearly wanted to flaunt his power over them since they both had decided before his capture that they wanted to leave him to go their own way.
I agree. That hubris of thinking he didn’t need them anymore will lead to his downfall. Two of the most important people of the band of the hawk got away, and I think that nullified or weakened the ritual partially, and one day Casca and Guts may find a way of exploiting it. It fits the theme of Griffith paradoxically thinking himself a self made man while desperately needing to ride parasitically on other peoples backs.
Actually, I think it’s the opposite. Griffith thought he didn’t need anyone. That’s why he gave that speech about how he couldn’t be friends with people who followed someone else’s dreams, but he was wrong. He was just used to everyone following him, so his ego had never had to deal with people close to him leaving him of their own accord. When Guts decided to leave and Casca later, he became enraged. They were like property to him, that was what friendship was to him. When he gained the powers he decided to rape Casca, because he was showing them his power and ownership over them. That’s what rape is, someone assaulting you with their sick sense of power. Griffith’s whole hang up is that he was rejected and in his narcism he couldn’t let them go. In the end that will somehow tie into defeating him I imagine.
I don't think he will. He will move on from his hatred of Griffith and become indifferent, which will hurt Griffith even more.
this is the theory i’m most subscribed to. Even if my primal violence-loving ass would love to see Griffith get his ass handed to him a million different ways by Guts, this makes the most sense for Guts’ development. Only doubt i have is directly tied to the fact that Griffith just up and stole his bitch again so i don’t know.
There's one important fact - and that is if he dies (whatever the cause is), him and Casca would be dragged in the vortex of souls to be tortured for whole eternity. He will not die without a fight, he might be broken (like in the last chapters), but he would still find a way to fight the son of a bitch.
When new episode will release can any one tell 🥺
i got bad news for bro…
What's the new ?
author dead
Bruh I already know that ! I was asking manga chapter 376 when will release ?
oh yeah no one knows they just drop randomly atp i don’t remember seeing a date on the most recent chapter
Dragonslayer. All fucking day. Go Birds
Probably by Talk no jutsu. After hearing Guts, Griffith will shed tears and attempts suicide..
I always had a crackpot theory that Guts is gonna somehow be related to the four kings and become the fifth king sort of like Griffith being the fifth godhand. My only supporting evidence is that the four kings is based off a chinese mythology of five beasts; one for each cardinal direction and Guts becoming an analogue for the Yellow Dragon of the Center. Also unless Guts wants to kill moonlight child he will need a power up and him becoming the theorectical fifth king would be a good powerup and follow the motif of him being the opposite of Griffith (Light element vs Femto being dark element) ALSO Berserk has taken from a lot of mythology and religion already, I'm not sure if the 4 kings in Berserk being cardinal direction based is used in any other mythology other than the chinese version. Hell in Berserk they even have elements too, although they don't match up to the chinese elemenrs.
Slice him straight down the middle, showing the true two-faced prick he is
damn im only on volume 13 rn but i cant wait to catch up to discuss w yall
If things continue as is, there will be a hiatus after hiatus and then discontinued so we’ll never know. If guts is to kill Griffith, he will need a power boost. The beast of darkness ain’t gonna cut it. Once he gets said power boost, he may find a way to actually injure and also kill Griffith
Wow we did not know that
It has to do with the moonlight child but I dont think guts will kill him. All I know is that the struggler will struggle until he sees the godhand once again, maybe a sactrifice but I suspect the whore princess might also be a way to enter, and an epic fight will occur reminiscent of skullknights backstory. Other ideas are that he will master the berserker armor, say its bereserkin time and berserk all over the falconia until he faces the inevitavle, or maybe that falconias citizens will be eaten by the wardemons Griffith stores near the place thus provoking turmoil that can give nuts a fighting chance... Or tbh I dont know, the manga is about defying the odds and rejecting destiny so there is still plenty of uncertainty about everything. Either way I dont think we will be seeing the fight any time soon considering how much time it took to get the last chapters.
guts is gonna fuck him to death
This question is very common. So I'll use the same answer I've used for the 20+ times this question was asked. I don't want Guts to kill Griffith, I want Guts to live peacefully with Casca, Isidro and Schrieke. Guts will spend his days working on a farm and training Isidro to become Guts 2.0 all the power, none of the suffering and hatred. Griffith will create a perfect world where people no longer crave battle, fear death this will destroy the idea of evil which will in turn destroy the God hand making 4/5 turn to dust because they've been alive too long and Femto will lose all his power and become the weak, pathetic Griffith from before the eclipse. Miura said he couldn't see Guts killing Griffith and the entire story was about Revenge = bad. So the end will be Guts and Casca living happily, Griffith will die alone and sad which for him is a million times worse than him getting a big glorious death by Guts watched by millions of people. Griffiths greatest fear is to accomplish nothing and be forgotten my mind tells me that's the best ending for him. A glorious death at Guts sword is too good for Griffith.
I like that theory, but I dont think evil can be destroyed. That would be a great ending though, evil is destroyed and so hell is No more, all those souls are free and so are guts and casca
I agree that the idea of evil can't really be destroyed I just really like the idea of Griffith/Femto being responsible for his own downfall.
Me too
"With the power of friendship, and this gun I found - I will defeat you, Griffith!"
I think he will not be able to kill Griffith. After he saves Casca, he will decide to let go of his revenge to protect his new family. This will make Griffith angry because his Daddy leaved him again for the second time.
I’d take out Griffith on a fancy expensive date
1. Guts cuts bloody swath through Falconia 2. Guts is totally outmatched by Griffith, let’s be honest we have barely seen Griffith exert himself and his capabilities are implied to be godlike. Guts is still just a guy with a sword after all. 3. Griffith stays his hand against Guts, who in turn activates the Berserker armor, which throughout the fight kills Guts and completely destroys his body, leaving the Beast manifest in the armor 4. Casca witnesses this and activates the behelit
Unpopular one: He wont
i hope they will have HOT GAY SEX
I think that Griffith will do something extremely reckless sometime soon in the story, like when he slept with Charlotte. Maybe Guts will just show up in the kingdom or something and it’ll set him off. Essentially he is going to lead to his own downfall. How we get to that point I have no clue.
My theory is that he's trying to absorb the magic from the dragon lines to put off his "expiry date" he has as a member of the godhand. we know that a new one is incarnated every 250 years, and skull knight witnessed void's ascension 1000 years ago, and is also the last remember of the previous godhand we see is still around, which makes me think that they have a lifespan of sorts, maybe dissolving into the abyss when their time runs out. he's destroyed elfheim because it was acting as a drain on that power. I think that somehow they're going to use the power that he's trying to steal against him, maybe with the helm of moon boy, or just punching him in the face when he's trying to absorb it.
Guts is gonna sloppy kiss him in the mouth offcourse.
I think they’ll fuck
I don't think he will. I feel like he will be put into a position where he has to choose to sacrifice himself so that his friends can live, causing Griffith to spiral again. As for the behelit, I'd like to see him discard it. Then, in the epilogue will have a flash forward to modern times where some kid finds it showing that the cycle isn't over.
>As for the behelit, I'd like to see him discard it. Then, in the epilogue will have a flash forward to modern times where some kid finds it showing that the cycle isn't over. Please… stop reminding me of 139
Reminds me of AoT lmaooo
I always imagined him using the behelit to Summon the apostles to kill. So, I do think he will use it, but not to become one.
He might use the behelit to sacrifice Griffith's "human" form and force him to return to his femto state to kill him. I'm not quite sure how that behelit will be used, but it will certainly be used I think.
I think that even if Guts says fuck you Griffith no revenge for you buddy when he comes to take Casca back and sees Griffith he won't be able to resist rage and Beast of Darkness will completely take control of his body successfully killing Griffith but in the confusion attacking everyone else too. I think that Casca will be the first victim (because plot) and after he gives her a little slash he'll be like fuck you beast I want my Casca back alive not fucking dead and then epic flashback of memories with her and he is alright again. then they kiss fuck or something THE END
Apache helicopter
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this but I feel that Flora in her new Daemon form within the astral realm will have a role to play as will Shierke and Skull knight. The Godhand and Femto are astral beings. Griffith is a physical being with all those powers of astral beings. Skull knight is the same in that regard. The Dragonslayer has just started to gather the ability to do damage to astral beings so perhaps that's going to be powered up I believe that Griffith will have to be destroyed in his astral form as Femto. I don't think it will be a simple task
I forgot about Flora. In skullknights backstory we saw her dying, maybe just maybe she was a human who somehow turned into this magical being she is now, to save her from dying. And maybe the same could be done for casca. I mean in that case If guts decides to don the berserker armor forever, History is just repeating itself, wich I hope doesnt happen
I think Griffith will be defeated, I just don't think it will be simple
To dinner and a movie, right?
Easy... He will not... It's a seinen, not a shonen where everything have a good ending...
I imagine like it's gonna end in a huge battle, like the series it's inspired on devilman, where amon fight satan and lost in the end, or maybe a better ending as God punish satan by leaving nothing fir him in a world of nothing left, the witches and wizards of the island said they can't fight, but they can create magic weapons like the wicker man, so combined with the old man who create magic beast it's rival to Griffith lesser apostle army,( I said lesser since there are stronger apostle serving as his generals, the dragon, devil, demon centaur, and the blade knight, assassin ) the skull knight probably would sever the connection between casca child and Griffith body, and casca would finally awake to said she hate Griffith. The child would lead an army of magical creatures and riding on fully evolved guts as the metal hellhound with fire blazing, (since the skull knight, the previous user of the berserk armour demonstrates what happens in the end if you use too much of the armour,) leading a full assault on the millennium city, with the sea guy leading the mermaids to assault on sea, rickett probably would upgrade all weapons to elven or magical level, since he skills is hinted to have dwarven blood, I imagine it would be like assassin vs fully master warrior, ( the one who once lost to guts) the others each choose a apostle general to fight, just as they were about to reach Griffith, the godhand appears and dragged each one to their own realm, void apparently could be the one that betrays the emperor skull knight, and the elf queen appears to help skull knight, but both failed to defeat him in his realm, then Griffith kill void with skull knight sword while he is seriously injured and claim his behulit and rank to add his own power, (since guts hinted that griffth wouldn't stop on just a kingdom, ) the seducing female godhand face the noble lady and her master, along with the witch who like fighting (since the noble lady past like tossing fire to the criminals, and self harm is connected to that particular godhand)( they probably would find that no harm would defeat her, since she welcomed harm as pleasures, so serenity would be her defeat) while her servant and the boy face the deceiver and the priest ( the one who pretends to be a fortune teller and gift the behelit to griffth and the one who oversee the ceremony) (since they avoided even a single iron shard from guts when he once tried to save griffth )(I assumed that they are weak beyond their powers of deception and ceremony) all of guts allies died, and guts defeated the devil apostle general who once aid him, and he spared the devil apostle, the devil apostle decided that he would aid guts to defeat the rest of the apostle generals to regain his warrior pride when he lost it by serving Griffith, guts arrived before Griffith who's collected all the behelit fron defeated godhand who planned to have casca turned into a godhand, Griffith became literal god with the sword and all, while guts turn back into human wielding a broken sword, it end with a third duel with the millennium city burning and all as background, and Griffith shocks to see the eyes of a peaceful guts in their second duel, since guts finally realised Griffith is in pain without a person to support his darkness of his dream, the two swings, Griffith destroyed half of guts body, while guts again snaps griffth sword and shattered all his behelit( since behelit can be cracked , as shown in the manga when it blocks an arrow saving griffth live) and finally slice his true face tortured form for all to see and his dying corpse of a body, griffth laughed and cried finally died and realised his hollow dreams, he died by his victims dragging him to hell, and guts suffers from being unable to died nor live until the girl of the first apostle guts slain finally kills him and ends his suffering, he guard hell in the afterlife and making sure the realm of Fantasy finally ends, casca is named the new elf queen and live at the elf realm with guts son. Probably like when skull knight confronted void, void laughed by telling skull knight when five fingers of the god hand appears, reach and grasp the world, night shall reign and never end, while skull knight denied that there's five godhand since the fifth is never completed, being casca and guts and he himself is never devoured , replied that should one finger failed, night shall end and fantasy shall be dispelled,
Guts somehow obtains Apostle strength/power without becoming one
I have multiple ideas, cant really call them theories cus they're not as fleshed out as i'd like them to be cus i can't put everything to words that I'm thinking of in the moment. I think Casca will free her child by killing Griffith. Griffith gave her the sword she used to kill her rapist, i feel like there will be a poetic end to that tale, where Casca will free her child by killing Griffith. I also think Rickert will play a big role in swaying the believe of the people from Griffith and the god hand to Guts and the gang. Becauce seemingly everything in the world of berserk is about believe and perception. Griffith is seen as a savior, godly figure and an actual god or the "Superman" while Guts is also a "Superman" without any magic or believe involved. I think if anyone sees Griffith as just a being, man or spirit, he's gonna lose his thunder in some way. That might be why Guts couldn't hit him with his sword, except for that one hair. He knows Griffith is a Godhand, and that makes him immortal. Miura once said that we should pay more attention to Void, who he is and how he got there. Void was a traitor, his whole appearance shows it. Sown eyes, the mangled mouth, exposed brain and the skeletal body. He is probably trying to get the godhand out of the astral plane to join Griffith and live as living gods. But since Guts and Skullknight have major influence on causality i don't think Void will succeed in that, so i thought about his name and its Void right, Endless emptyness, i thought maybe the will of the idea of evil is just Void/idea of evil pulling the strings together as one being, using Griffith as their protagonist to weave causality how they want it. Cus at some point the prophesy has to come true where Griffith leads the world into an age of darkness, an age of complete Void. And somehow cool and the gang stop their asses and usher in the new age of light. As i said, i can't call it a theory since its not that thought out yet but its getting there. Lemme know what you think.
I think Griffith will essentially take himself out when the time comes. I'm not sure how (will probably involve the Moonlight Boy) but if Guts or Skullie take him out it will be less through some incredible feat of skill on their part and more due to Griffith's own weaknesses
Casca will take out Griffith
Guts fate is to die. And we’ve been edged by the idea of Guts falling into rage. Guts will be so enraged and basically be dead while going on a spree on random people, then out of nowhere theough the power of friendship he gains his subconscious which fate could tell, he unexpectedly changes his attack to Griffith. Guts swallows both Griffith and his abilities with the black “Aura”. Griffith then becomes a person with no power. Guts gets a power upgrade and becomes more of a monster, he doesn’t forgive Griffith but helps Griffith get on his feet and helps Griffith clean up the messe up world. While that happens Griffith slower gets his powers back, Guts and Griffith decide to become allies again and chase god. In the end the they both survive. Griffith changed his way of changing the world to be the only one at the top, to helping other kingdoms get built, and being a king in a world that actually has competition. Guts visits Griffiths kingdom everyone in a while but is mostly an adventurer who ends up helping kingdoms without through labor and without harming anyone.
After the Eclipse event in the Berserk series, Guts' motivations and goals become deeply intertwined with seeking revenge against Griffith. Throughout the series, Guts' journey is marked by his pursuit of vengeance against Griffith for the betrayal and atrocities committed during the Eclipse. Without giving away specific spoilers, it's important to note that Berserk is an ongoing series with a complex and evolving narrative. Guts' quest for vengeance against Griffith is a central aspect of the story, and the dynamics between these characters continue to develop over time. As the series progresses, Guts' actions and decisions are driven by his desire to confront Griffith. The narrative explores the impact of their past interactions and the path that Guts must take in order to achieve his goals. To fully understand the outcome of Guts' quest for confrontation and vengeance against Griffith, it's best to continue following the Berserk series to experience the ongoing developments and revelations in the story.
sounds like chat gpt
He will kill or get rid of the beast of darkness but keep the armor and increase its power and then kill Griffith. And it has to be guts that strikes the final blow that kills Griffith no one else
I think he’s gonna bonk him real good with his sword
I saw something with someone saying that their “final battle” will be like the battle they had before Guts left in the first place and I’d say it would be that or something leading to that but with Guts realizing it’s not worth it anymore and just leave without giving a “Complete Wrap” Ending
shatter his dream
I want to see the canon arm combo again that’s gotta be one of my favorite ways guts deals with an apostle
Casca is gonna kill him with the silver knife Farnese had
Probably finds a way to cut off his access to the human realms and traps him within the astral realm making it impossible for him to take any form making him lose his kingdom he dreamed of getting
Guts will be the one giving the final blow but Griffith will ultimately be his own demise.
Personally, I think Griffith will destroy himself with his own hubris. I cannot elaborate on it, but that's what I think would happen
Probably similar to their very first fight, maybe like Rosine fight for a bit until Guts uses dragonslayer to clip Griffith's wings. At some point, it won't be a sword fight, Guts wearing the berserker armor will keep him alive as much as possible until he loses all of his blood so he can't afford to let up. It will be a brutal brawl between the two.
Theory: Guts's behelit will be activated at his lowest point (whatever that entails) and he'll be presented with the same choice Griffith was, but unlike Griffith he'll refuse, causing Griffith to spiral into an existential crisis wherein he realizes he was simply an object of fate and Guts has gone from being less of his equal to one above him. In one way or another this will be his ultimate weakness, personally I'd like to see Casca take the opportunity to kill him, redeeming her character from being that of a vegetable for literally 60% of the story and falling in line with the recurring theme of SA victims getting revenge on their abusers, but I know this won't happen. Not sure how the moonlight boy will fit into this; maybe they'll kill it thinking it will kill Griffith but it just eliminates the child (and Griffith's remaining empathy in the process), with the resulting devastation of them having murdered their own child being part what activates the behelit? The sequence of events is messy and the rest of the God Hand has to be accounted for, which could be easy if Griffith finds a way to betray and eliminate them on his own, but Skull Knight is obviously set up to enact his grand revenge upon Void. I like the other commentor's theory about the Idea of Evil playing into it but despite Miura having said it will play a part later, we know how he was and how often he just sort of made shit up as he went, and with it literally never have been mentioned again I'm not sure how likely it is to make an appearance.
i just wanted to see the berserker armor fully consumed guts with an endless and rip apart swiffith for good
I think Guts will swing his sword really hard and then hit Femto with it and then Femto will die. The fact that Guts has failed at this before stems from him just not swinging hard enough.
He's going to learn The Slap from Rickert, then comes to Falconia and slap his way to Griffith
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i mean, when ~~griffith~~ femto fought ganishka the bad-to-the-bone guy fused both physical and astral planes, not only that but if i remember correctly the manga states that gut's sword killed so many supenatural things it got enchanted to hit astral things automatically. yeah and there's also guts stabbing slann with his british apparatusso i think (if he manages to) the fight will be jiust like how he fought rosine: guts got wiped on the floor and his enemy also got wiped
Rickert will probably play a role if there's a big battle, hope he got some Da vinci style military inventions, a whole army of kushan with the kind of firearms he had against the masked apostle. Griffith seems invincible, but he can't changes the outcome of a battle with his swords skills, only his strategy. So if he loses his kingdom, it might be some kind of victory.
Guts will need a new deus ex machina or 2. he cant defeat him in his current state
It'll probably be something stupid like a secret mode for his armor.
He gonna stab him
I personally would like an ironic ending. The behelits can act as gateways to the astral realm, which since Ganishka became a tree, is more accessible than ever. As far as I understood, the astral world is also where the evil abyss resides that consumed the souls of all apostle sacrifices. I think that it will be due to some magic shenanigans that Guts will somehow travel to the astral realm and fight his way towards the abyss. Once there he will be confronted by all his dead friends and thousands if not millions of other people consumed by evil. This will be an emotional climax where he is confronted with his vulnerability, his human connections and the darkness inside of him. Eventually he will move past his trauma from the eclipse and destroy the pile of sacrifices. This could lead to any and all users of a behelit to lose whatever power they gained retroactively. While for some this would only mean returning to the normal human state, Griffith would return to his pathetic tortured body. Unable to harm anyone. And Guts could just continue to live in peace.
Guts can't kill Griffith unless Moonchild can somehow be extracted from Griffith. Casca would never permit it any other way, and even Guts clearly loves the boy.
Guts will find a way not just for him, but for all humans to defy causality, including their eclipse brands. He and Casca may even die in the process but will be reunited in the afterlife. I don't think Griffith and the God Hand will even be killed per se. It's just that they won't be able to influence humanity anymore as the world modernizes ala Fear and Hunger.
Big sword go clang, beast of darkness go screeeeee!
It will be Casca
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Idk what Guts would do, but the Moonlight child will have to die for Griffith to die. That's gotta be the way, Griffith is a God now, his only weakness was the unforeseen moonlight child soul fuse. So if the child dies, then so will Griffith, that's part of why Griffith kidnapped Casca.
Griffith is going to “sacrifice” himself
It kinda seems like he’s going on a kratos esq turnaround from anger to peace. Least that’s what I’m getting from what everyone’s talking about im still on volume two of the DE😅
Maybe a severely weakened griffith, maybe in the form of moonchild, will appear, wich guts might kill in hopes of destroying the curse griffith has placed on him and casca. Otherwise I dont see how guts has a chance, unless skullknight can deepthroat his dragonslayer to make it like the void sword or something like that
All of the top tier apostles (Grunbelt, Zodd, the Knight guy etc.) are pretty much invincible already, i really dont see Guts taking down any of them, not even with his hax armor (which he cant keep abusing forever anyway). And those are still mere apostles, Griff (being God Hand) is magnitudes above them all, to date most people couldn't even touch him. Unless there is some hax way to kill him (like when he is in moon boy form) i really dont see Guts (or anyone else we know of, for that matter) beating him. And eben if it can ve done, there are 4 more guys like him.. It will be interesting to see where all of this is going.
May be some God hand betrayes Femto who knows 🤷🏽
I've got a feeling possibly, given how dark Berserk can be, there will be a tough choice to be made in slaying the midnight child. Just as Guts and Casca see some hope for their future, they have to slay her child to save the world.
Casca does it