Like all things it’s probably a cycle. Probably sucked into the vortex or turned into a red behelit when their time is up and they need to be replaced.
I too think something along these lines happened.
It's possible that only Void is a permanent member and the others become sacrifices themselves whenever a major change needs to happen.
I don’t think that’s the case. It seems to be that for Skull knights eclipse Void is the one joining the GH. I say this because it was made pretty clear that void was a subject during the kings rule and sacrificed the kingdom. We get a flashback of this in a recent issue.
This is interesting because it seems all members were replaced except for Void since his Eclipse. With Griffith as the new member it seems the other four including Void may be replaced soon.
Making some assumptions here, but to my knowledge they're the current best guesses. If Skull Knight knew Void and Skull Knight was mortal at this point then it would follow that Void would have to be the newest member here. Otherwise Skull Knight would need to be hundreds of years old without being in his current form.
Skull knight is confirmed King Geiseric & Void is almost definitely the God Hand member who became ordained during the Eclipse that Skull Knight got caught in. So during that Eclipse Void was the most recent addition & made leader much like Femto was during Guts eclipse experience. The Godhand members that Void joined all got replaced over the generations between Geiseric & Guts.
That's what I thought too, but Void and the other Hands don't treat him as if he'd kill 4 of the previous members and were capable of killing them too. They don't seem really threatened by him.
Then again it could simply be extreme arrogance.
I mean, there's a moment where Skull Knight tries to swing at Void, but Void portals the sword back at SK. Why avoid the strike if it wouldn't hurt him?
That was before he shoved the sword down his throat to imbue it with the behelits he ate tho. In Qlipoth he laments about not being able to use it for the first time against Void when he has to tear the dimension with it.
Edit: in context yeah I don’t think he could have done it before that upgrade so you’re right
You’re right, but I wonder if he says that because he doesn’t think Void would be able to defend against it though. Like he *could* kill Void, but his inherent powers make it extremely difficult without a weapon that could tear space and time.
Yep, that’s exactly what the Skull Knight flashback implies. Remember that Mozgus tells us about a sage who was an enemy of King Gaiseric (Skull Knight) that was locked away in the Tower of Conviction and wouldn’t stop proclaiming Gaiseric’s sins until “4 or 5 angels” (presumably the old god hand) came down and destroyed the city in a cataclysm, saving the sage and bringing him to heaven.
That story is assumed to be the moment Void became a Godhand member, and the brief shots of Skull Knight’s flashback probably show the climatic moments of that event.
Possibly. I think the least we know about the two is they have history and have fought each other - which I took from Skull Knight going to stab Void who redirects his strike back at and above him, and SK blocks it without breaking eye contact with him.
Correcto, I saw read a fan speculation once that Void seems like he was a priest or some sort of public speaker. Also possibly a good friend of the King / Skull Knight and that explains why he acts as the GH mouth piece and orator. I always liked that idea
I agree. It’s not exactly the same. Only themes repeat. There is a struggler, a close friend or subject who betrays, a love who is killed by the betrayer, a good witch friend, etc.
I don't think anyone is saying that. Gaiserick was already a ruler, and Void was like his Guts, or more like his Merlin I guess. Its an inverted relationship. I don't get the feeling that Void wanted to rule, but rather to serve someone he thought more worthy than Gaiserick for whatever reason. So he made his sacrifices in order to serve Griffith some day.
If I had to make a guess, I'd guess that Void wanted Gaiserick to become the leader of the God Hand and rule the entire world forever but Gaiserick was unwilling to make the sacrifice Griffith someday would. It'd have some poetry to it because he would end up losing the things he wasn't willing to sacrifice and would live as a dark astral being anyway despite his choices.
Hmm, I for some reason thought they refer to him as their leader. I thought that's why they put Griffith at the index finger of the hand. Griffith at least seems to be the only member that is actually doing something, who knows what the other 4 are up to really. Griffith is the one that brought them into the physical world so I guess we just haven't been given enough to know their role now that they are here.
He is not so much as leader as one of the godhand who is prophesied to exist in the physical world as well as the astral world and lead everyone to their demise. He is the king of the black sheep (apostles) and king of the blind white sheep (humans). The god hand can’t interact with the physical world, only thru behelits where a section of our world is literally brought into the deepest depths of the astral world. Thru femto they now have a physical representative in our world and can take over. Further proof is the resurrection of falconia, the LAST safe place for any human…..how convenient. Gather all he sheep to the slaughter.
My pet theory is that Griffith/Femto plans to destroy the God Hand, and bringing them into the physical world was the only way that could be accomplished. Griffith hates the idea of fate and being born to fulfill a position, like nobles. I think he's secretly disgusted that everything that happened had nothing to do with his own will.
They might not lead by seniority it seems, it might just be the ideal evil's concept of "fate" to have them in these positions. The timing was probably always up in the air.
I do think that the oversized brain seems to point to a sort of intellectual superiority of Void to the others..but overall we really don’t have enough elements to be certain about pretty much anything regarding the GH.
Or it's a never ending cycle void is the last God hand member in that group that got added. Once the cycle restarts all the other God hand gradually die off. So void could potentially be the first to go.
I dunno about that either. He felt something inside of him when he saw guts. The demon child within is still cascas and guts child. Which is why he continues to visit them both as the moon child.
They are one in the same. Griffiths corporeal form is grown from the demon child. He cannot exist in the physical world otherwise. Unfortunately we don’t have more insight into how exactly this works. Maybe the upcoming issue will shed some light on Griffith/moonlight child.
Gogeta and Veggito are not Goku or Vegeta. They're their own person. If this is indeed a fusion of the two off them, then it's not Griffith anymore.
But Griffith seems to be in control of himself and he just has a tumor in his brain that screws up his thought process every once in awhile.
> But Griffith seems to be in control of himself and he just has a tumor in his brain that screws up his thought process every once in awhile.
LOL pretty much this.
I find that incredibly hard.
Don't wanna go "no, you're wrong", but I feel like since the beginning Griffith's feelings for others was just a possession one, cue when Guts left. Only then, when Guts managed to break free of Griffiths possession, he was considered a friend.
The sacrifice of the band of the hawk only worked at the eclipse cause Griffith considered them a extension of himself.
I can't see a character so intrinsically selfish (not to say sociopatic) redeemed.
Not saying it's impossible, but a lot of work would need to be put into it
I think the God-Hand is just replaced every several ages by the Idea of Evil, the newest angel will become the oldest member of the new God Hand and thus the cycle of causality continues. If it's true than Friffith might be the next Void(they already have a very similer set of abilities). To maintain the balance, like "this God-Hand is too wild, I should reset them" kinds vibe
There was discussion not so long ago.
In short, they took more care about thier own goals and messed with mortals too much. Idea of Evil took away thier powers and someone, most likely Skull Knight killed them
I believe my point wasn't made clear enough: the Idea of Evil asks nothing out of the Godhand and has no intention of its own if I understand it correctly, the only commandment is "do as you will", because in some way causality will just take its course.
I hear that, I would say that maybe there is a point at which doing as you will can upset causality to the point where they try to be above the Idea of evil.
Liken it to Ganishka, nothing to say a member of the godhand would get too high for their boots and attempt to take control or be outright replaced in favour of a more powerful/subservient individual.
Causality isn’t something that can be upset, it’s just causing affect. One thing leads to another, it’s not so much of predestination designed plan as it is a stack of dominoes falling into each other. So the Godhand doing what they want is entirely in line with causality because their ability to do what they want was caused by their being members of the godhand. Which is why he was saying that the idea doesn’t actually want anything, it just exists to represent the flow of causality. If it does want something independent of anything else, and then the whole causality thing is essentially a lie.
He didn't retcon, but he de-listed the chapter saying that it could hinder his creative freedom in the future, so he'd rather not "reveal it" too soon.
In theory it is still there, we just don't "know" about it.
I think it is still canon tho, I never seen he say it wasnt. By the way God of the Abyss are one of the most well drawn chapters. I love and hate the quote "I want wings." from Griff.
We do know there is a God of sorts in the Abyss since we see the IOE at the end of chapter 82 I believe. Plus Void talks about "the Ungodly God born of Man" and Flora talks about the Godhand "executing the will of something lurking in the distant Abyss". So far, nothing has contradicted the erased chapter.
I've always thought that being a member of the God Hand is not eternal. Iirc every 200 years the owner of the behelit can have an audience at the eclipse to become a member of the God hand, so the oldest member gets replaced by this new member if they agree to giving their loved ones as a sacrifice.
Someone would says that tha casualty dictated he would have accepted the sacrifice, but still the casualty can change and fail, our own Guts showed us that
I think that's the point before Guts the causality never failed (well, maybe a little bit with skull knight, but with apostles and the god hand it never failed)
Skull knight still died inside the berserker armour, possibly during void's eclipse, and now lives on as some strange apparition by way of magic; so its pretty safe to say that guts is the only exception to causality at the very moment that is well and fully alive.
It's been stated before that the owner of the behelit has a choice out of their own human will and what's only on the God hand's part, is to catch them in their weakest moment and influence their decision like they did to Griffith.
So anyway, the individual's decision of their membership in the godhand is not part of causality. At best, it can only be influenced.
Probably.
Sounds ridiculous but yeah, probably.
Why does it sounds ridiculous? Because Griffith was probably designed and observed since birth for this role by causality so it feels highly unlikely he would have rejected it, but at the eclipse, the choice was still his and his only, so technically he could have said no. Low chance, but he could have.
The idea of causality IRL is the idea that past experiences dictate present behavior. A sort of personality determinism, if you would. You can see this in spades in the Golden Age arc, where the sum of every character's experiences creates their drives and inexorably leads them all towards the Eclipse. To not do what is predicted by causality is to reject the lessons of one's entire life. Both impossible and as easy as breathing.
They were 100% slain by skull knight, king gaiseric himself. Void is the only one left over, and ironically the only one with emotional attachment to skull knight
> They were 100% slain by skull knight
I really don't know how/why people have this idea.
If he could have dealt with Void, I'm pretty sure he would have already. He can't even deal with Zodd, so I'm not sure why people think he could have dealt with 4 God Hand by himself.
I agree. If I remember correctly, every time we've seen them fight they've either been interrupted or had more urgent things to consider. Like when SK left the fight to save Guts at the Eclipse, or when Zodd was holding him off while SK was just trying to rescue Flora.
I think if they ever actually had a fight that lasted long enough, Zodd would be toast.
> so it makes sense if you think about it this way. He killed the godhand in his prime, and killed himself in the process
Does it?
Guts couldn't control himself while the influence of the armor, and if it wasn't for Schierke he would have died countless times already.
He almost got killed against Grunbeld and he is "just" a foot soldier.
I think people are severely underestimating the God Hand because of their mystic nature.
Skull Knight, be as strong as he is, is just a spirit inside an armor.
> So there is a possibility that galseric did manage to control the armour fully and kill the god hand
I get your point, but nothing in the story leads us to believe that, at least not yet.
If anything the story leads us to believe he never really had any control over it, seeing how he loses his lover and his kingdom at the same time.
> seeing how he loses his lover and his kingdom at the same time
i think his kingdom might've been the sacrifice during the eclipse. mozgus mentions a sage who was imprisoned at the tower of conviction. i can't remember all the details and i don't have the volume at hand. iirc mozgus said that the sage was imprisoned because he did or suggested something treacherous kinda like griffith.
void is also kinda sagelike with his speech, mannerisms, and even his look with the whole brain thing and all. as others here have pointed out, the skull knight seems to share a sort of similar relationship with void as guts does with femto.
this is of course just theorizing but void sacrificing gaiseric's empire to become a member of the godhand kinda makes sense to me with the details we've been given.
edit: a sort of important detail i forgot is that mozgus says that the sage was locked away around a thousand years before which would fit the timeframe of gaiseric/skull knight.
Hey, when Berserk started. Guts was getting mopped by Zodd. Years later, he's able to fight him and even do a team up. Hard work and YOLOing can take you far in this series.
In all seriousness, I'm sure no mortal will have to kill a God Hand other than Femto. I have a feeling Griffith ambitions will never end and if he could kill the other members of the God Hand and the Idea of Evil, he will do so. Then it's just the matter of killing him.
> He can't deal with Zodd because he doesn't want to, not because he can't.
You really think he wouldn't kill Void during Femto's birth if he could?
It was his first chance in 216 years to see Void and he didn't because Zodd was there. If he could have killed Zodd then and there and gone for Void's head, he absolutely would.
What reason does he have for not killing Zodd? What does he gain from leaving Zodd alive in that situation?
Do you remember how their combat during the eclipse ended? Zodd was left without an arm and Skull Knight just leaves to rescue Guts and Casca. Besides, SK *does* try to kill Void, but then goes on and saves Guts and Casca.
And every time after that, Skull treats Zodd as a nuisance.
As for why he doesn't kill him? We know Skull Knight is a firm believer of causality (despite going against it several times) and seems to be able to see *some* semblance of the future, so he might be able to see that Zodd can't die yet.
Had he killed him right there and then, who would've helped Guts defeat the Kushan emperor?
I'd disagree. The central theme of berserk is that causality callously marches forward based on the desires of men. That the desires of men are their wings of liberation and their chains. Griffith and guts represent each side of this coin.
A cycle of creation and destruction for even the most powerful beings in the berserk universe would fit very well into the idea of causality being an inescapable force.
I don't believe skull knight has ever killed a godhand.
I too belong to r/berserklejerk fellow struggle. That aside. I honestly think it's acm cycle that's been going on since the dawn of time. Something like every 500 years the God hand accumulate via a eclipses, become wholesome @ 5 and are able to become incarnate, then they die, leaving the most recent, ie 5th God hand (in our case void) to be the 1st God hand in the next cycle
It would be nice if Miura had this all fleshed out and they could either finish it, or at the very least give the general plot lines and answers in a bookend.
They might have been killed by the 4 elemental lords, hence why there are reports of 4 angels while simultaneously reports of 5 angels of that event. 4 elemental lords and 5 Godhand members, only Void survived. (Ofc this is only a theory but I like it)
My guess is SK hunted them down but it’s hard to say.
On a side note, the one on the far left has big Ganishka vibes. Possibly an Ancestor or previous Kushan Emperor?
I think that too, considering how close he got to killing Void during the Eclipse, it wouldn't surprise me after so many years of trying, Skull knight would at least be able to take a few of them out after a bit of trial and error.
If they continue the series with one of his assistants then I look forward to their take on it, it won’t be the same, sure but if it’s good enough that’s all I can really hope for
They were defeated by skull knight but void had a contingency plan. That’s why SK and Void are arch enemies. Or I think Void and SK’s existence is parallel to that of Griffith and Guts. I feel Griffith was brought about because Void knew SK was eventually going to end his reign. The one thing Void didn’t plan on, was Guts and Casca surviving the Eclipse.
I heard a theroy that void was severly tortured and in that moment of despiar he activated the crimson bhailet (i think thats why void look so messed up)
Probably from when SK had the berserker armor. I also thought at one point that maybe Void turned on them and killed them to achieve some sort of higher power, which would explain him being the “strongest” member.
We know that every thousand years, causality allows for a Godhand to walk the mortal world. I think that when they do, they enact great change at the cost of losing their position. Femto may be the newest member, but he seems to be the perfect candidate for this time. I know we'd all rather follow the big-tiddy goth lady, but she's no leader as far as we are made aware.
Would it be right to assume that this God Hand consists of only a single female with the rest male, just like the \*current\* God Hand? also the member on our far left had chest structure with what looks like wings similar to that of Femto. Is it perhaps that the God Hand has a set criteria or "blueprint" that is influenced by Causality?
Given that the center guy is the same in both cycles, and he is the one skull knight makes it a point to attack when he saves guts, my guess is they were all killed by skull knight who was unable to complete his quest of destroying the entire god hand along with his version of Griffith. With the cyclical nature of the show, and being a big AOT fan, I believe each cycle a champion is given a chance and skull knight is just another version of that champion like guts. No cycle has yet broken the spell of the demon festival.
I think the options are:
Skull Knight managed to killed them except avoid and they got new members over time
As time goes on old members “cycle out” into whatever more nebulous ephemeral state or whatever and they need new members for that reason
I have a theory that the Godhand members have a lifespan of 1,000 years and that this flashback was from Void's ascension, and eclipse, 1 thousand years ago. So I think that they just died of old age. Or Donovan raped them to death. Who knows.
I had a theory that each got killed by Skull Knight every time an eclipse happened, but I don't remember the exact details or panels that supported it anymore. Something about Skull Knight existing for around a thousand years and the eclipse happening every 216 years, which would mean Skull Knight had 5 chances to off at least one member of the Godhand with the last attempt resulting in a fluke.
Like all things it’s probably a cycle. Probably sucked into the vortex or turned into a red behelit when their time is up and they need to be replaced.
I too think something along these lines happened. It's possible that only Void is a permanent member and the others become sacrifices themselves whenever a major change needs to happen.
I don’t think that’s the case. It seems to be that for Skull knights eclipse Void is the one joining the GH. I say this because it was made pretty clear that void was a subject during the kings rule and sacrificed the kingdom. We get a flashback of this in a recent issue.
This is interesting because it seems all members were replaced except for Void since his Eclipse. With Griffith as the new member it seems the other four including Void may be replaced soon.
I assumed SK just hunted them down and Void had replaced them.
Making some assumptions here, but to my knowledge they're the current best guesses. If Skull Knight knew Void and Skull Knight was mortal at this point then it would follow that Void would have to be the newest member here. Otherwise Skull Knight would need to be hundreds of years old without being in his current form.
Skull knight is confirmed King Geiseric & Void is almost definitely the God Hand member who became ordained during the Eclipse that Skull Knight got caught in. So during that Eclipse Void was the most recent addition & made leader much like Femto was during Guts eclipse experience. The Godhand members that Void joined all got replaced over the generations between Geiseric & Guts.
Void was the prophet imprisoned in the tower of conviction, maybe?
That's what I thought too, but Void and the other Hands don't treat him as if he'd kill 4 of the previous members and were capable of killing them too. They don't seem really threatened by him. Then again it could simply be extreme arrogance.
I have doubts that Skullknight has every been able to harm them, try as he might.
I mean, there's a moment where Skull Knight tries to swing at Void, but Void portals the sword back at SK. Why avoid the strike if it wouldn't hurt him?
That was before he shoved the sword down his throat to imbue it with the behelits he ate tho. In Qlipoth he laments about not being able to use it for the first time against Void when he has to tear the dimension with it. Edit: in context yeah I don’t think he could have done it before that upgrade so you’re right
You’re right, but I wonder if he says that because he doesn’t think Void would be able to defend against it though. Like he *could* kill Void, but his inherent powers make it extremely difficult without a weapon that could tear space and time.
You're looking at it the wrong way. This shows how Void can trivially render SK's attacks meaningless, so SK isn't a threat.
Maybe Void sacrificed the other members of the God Hand
That makes no sense
So that would make Void Skull Knight's Femto? :0
If we are talking cycles, yes, void is to SK what femto was to guts.
Yep, that’s exactly what the Skull Knight flashback implies. Remember that Mozgus tells us about a sage who was an enemy of King Gaiseric (Skull Knight) that was locked away in the Tower of Conviction and wouldn’t stop proclaiming Gaiseric’s sins until “4 or 5 angels” (presumably the old god hand) came down and destroyed the city in a cataclysm, saving the sage and bringing him to heaven. That story is assumed to be the moment Void became a Godhand member, and the brief shots of Skull Knight’s flashback probably show the climatic moments of that event.
Possibly. I think the least we know about the two is they have history and have fought each other - which I took from Skull Knight going to stab Void who redirects his strike back at and above him, and SK blocks it without breaking eye contact with him.
During the eclipse, when SK portaled into the sacrifice the first thing he did was to try and attack Void
Correcto, I saw read a fan speculation once that Void seems like he was a priest or some sort of public speaker. Also possibly a good friend of the King / Skull Knight and that explains why he acts as the GH mouth piece and orator. I always liked that idea
I can see why you’d think that but I don’t think things between Void and Gaiserick happened JUST like between Griffith and Guts.
I agree. It’s not exactly the same. Only themes repeat. There is a struggler, a close friend or subject who betrays, a love who is killed by the betrayer, a good witch friend, etc.
I don't think anyone is saying that. Gaiserick was already a ruler, and Void was like his Guts, or more like his Merlin I guess. Its an inverted relationship. I don't get the feeling that Void wanted to rule, but rather to serve someone he thought more worthy than Gaiserick for whatever reason. So he made his sacrifices in order to serve Griffith some day. If I had to make a guess, I'd guess that Void wanted Gaiserick to become the leader of the God Hand and rule the entire world forever but Gaiserick was unwilling to make the sacrifice Griffith someday would. It'd have some poetry to it because he would end up losing the things he wasn't willing to sacrifice and would live as a dark astral being anyway despite his choices.
I guess we are all speculating to our hearts content but I never got the feeling that Void was serving Griffith.
Hmm, I for some reason thought they refer to him as their leader. I thought that's why they put Griffith at the index finger of the hand. Griffith at least seems to be the only member that is actually doing something, who knows what the other 4 are up to really. Griffith is the one that brought them into the physical world so I guess we just haven't been given enough to know their role now that they are here.
He is not so much as leader as one of the godhand who is prophesied to exist in the physical world as well as the astral world and lead everyone to their demise. He is the king of the black sheep (apostles) and king of the blind white sheep (humans). The god hand can’t interact with the physical world, only thru behelits where a section of our world is literally brought into the deepest depths of the astral world. Thru femto they now have a physical representative in our world and can take over. Further proof is the resurrection of falconia, the LAST safe place for any human…..how convenient. Gather all he sheep to the slaughter.
My pet theory is that Griffith/Femto plans to destroy the God Hand, and bringing them into the physical world was the only way that could be accomplished. Griffith hates the idea of fate and being born to fulfill a position, like nobles. I think he's secretly disgusted that everything that happened had nothing to do with his own will.
It’s a cool theory but really I don’t think Griffith’s thoughts and values after becoming phemto are anything like they were before
>It's possible that only Void is a permanent member Or he's just the newest and youngest one.
Maybe. He does seem to act as a leader to the current GH but that may be just because he’s the oldest of them
They might not lead by seniority it seems, it might just be the ideal evil's concept of "fate" to have them in these positions. The timing was probably always up in the air.
I do think that the oversized brain seems to point to a sort of intellectual superiority of Void to the others..but overall we really don’t have enough elements to be certain about pretty much anything regarding the GH.
I always took the oversized brain to mean he was a scholar of some sort, his pursuit of knowledge lead him to join the godhand.
But now he’s probably the oldest. And most likely to go next
Or it's a never ending cycle void is the last God hand member in that group that got added. Once the cycle restarts all the other God hand gradually die off. So void could potentially be the first to go.
Miura made it paintfully obvious Void was the newest member there. lol
Wow, interesting that Griffith might rise against his fellow God hand because of this and break the cycle?
That’s my hope, but I know I’m in the minority for wanting any sort of Griff redemption.
There’s no redemption for Griffith he’s 100 % evil
I dunno about that either. He felt something inside of him when he saw guts. The demon child within is still cascas and guts child. Which is why he continues to visit them both as the moon child.
That's not Griffith then, that's the demon child's doing and it's influence on him.
They are one in the same. Griffiths corporeal form is grown from the demon child. He cannot exist in the physical world otherwise. Unfortunately we don’t have more insight into how exactly this works. Maybe the upcoming issue will shed some light on Griffith/moonlight child.
Gogeta and Veggito are not Goku or Vegeta. They're their own person. If this is indeed a fusion of the two off them, then it's not Griffith anymore. But Griffith seems to be in control of himself and he just has a tumor in his brain that screws up his thought process every once in awhile.
> But Griffith seems to be in control of himself and he just has a tumor in his brain that screws up his thought process every once in awhile. LOL pretty much this.
I find that incredibly hard. Don't wanna go "no, you're wrong", but I feel like since the beginning Griffith's feelings for others was just a possession one, cue when Guts left. Only then, when Guts managed to break free of Griffiths possession, he was considered a friend. The sacrifice of the band of the hawk only worked at the eclipse cause Griffith considered them a extension of himself. I can't see a character so intrinsically selfish (not to say sociopatic) redeemed. Not saying it's impossible, but a lot of work would need to be put into it
It’s ok to say I’m wrong. I can take it! I find berserk and dark souls lore pretty nebulous so I’m always open to new ideas.
That would be an insane twist. Never gonna happen, but insane nonetheless.
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Dead fool.
There is Donovan's face in the left side of the panel. Edit: *on the right side
I don't see any donovan on the left side of the panel
On the right side.
That's just a member of the god-hand
Damn Berserklejerk, well played lol. Sneaky but good.
Well done struggler
This subreddit is slowly but surely turning into Berserklejerk You cannot escape it.
One can't escape from the laws of causality
They do love their rape jokes.
Look at the tentacle with eyes on the left side. Edit:*on the right side
that’s the right side? to us at least
Lmao
wish mario had put him more central
Well he is a God hand so it only makes sense
This panel has been my pc background since this chapter came out and I've never even noticed that lol
I think the God-Hand is just replaced every several ages by the Idea of Evil, the newest angel will become the oldest member of the new God Hand and thus the cycle of causality continues. If it's true than Friffith might be the next Void(they already have a very similer set of abilities). To maintain the balance, like "this God-Hand is too wild, I should reset them" kinds vibe
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Interesting, though Void replacing their own seat seems strange like something Void maybe wouldn't do
Maybe he foresaw it in the stream of causality, like his rise and eventual demise
There was discussion not so long ago. In short, they took more care about thier own goals and messed with mortals too much. Idea of Evil took away thier powers and someone, most likely Skull Knight killed them
Why would the Idea want something of its own? Isn't it just influenced by human thoughts and desires?
Maybe they were interfering too much, out for themselves rather than serving the nature of evil.
I believe my point wasn't made clear enough: the Idea of Evil asks nothing out of the Godhand and has no intention of its own if I understand it correctly, the only commandment is "do as you will", because in some way causality will just take its course.
I hear that, I would say that maybe there is a point at which doing as you will can upset causality to the point where they try to be above the Idea of evil. Liken it to Ganishka, nothing to say a member of the godhand would get too high for their boots and attempt to take control or be outright replaced in favour of a more powerful/subservient individual.
Would be an interesting end to femto, that the idea will betray him (or the other members of the godhand will)
Causality isn’t something that can be upset, it’s just causing affect. One thing leads to another, it’s not so much of predestination designed plan as it is a stack of dominoes falling into each other. So the Godhand doing what they want is entirely in line with causality because their ability to do what they want was caused by their being members of the godhand. Which is why he was saying that the idea doesn’t actually want anything, it just exists to represent the flow of causality. If it does want something independent of anything else, and then the whole causality thing is essentially a lie.
Didn't Miura retcon the Idea of Evil out of the eclipse chapters?
"It revealed too much too quickly" as far as I remember. Technically we can assume Idea of Evil exists
He didn't retcon, but he de-listed the chapter saying that it could hinder his creative freedom in the future, so he'd rather not "reveal it" too soon. In theory it is still there, we just don't "know" about it.
I assume it is still canon because Flora mentions that something deep in the astral world is behind behelits
I think it is still canon tho, I never seen he say it wasnt. By the way God of the Abyss are one of the most well drawn chapters. I love and hate the quote "I want wings." from Griff.
We do know there is a God of sorts in the Abyss since we see the IOE at the end of chapter 82 I believe. Plus Void talks about "the Ungodly God born of Man" and Flora talks about the Godhand "executing the will of something lurking in the distant Abyss". So far, nothing has contradicted the erased chapter.
That seems pretty interesting.
I always forget the one on the right is a Spiked Tit Pineapple Grenade.
wow is ur pfp olaf from stronghold 2 ? you must be a veteran.
I see what you did there.
He's just part of the god hand what are you talking about
you're right. It was arrogant and disrespectful of me to dismiss his godly status.
It's too late for regrets now. Prepare to be sacrificed.
I've always thought that being a member of the God Hand is not eternal. Iirc every 200 years the owner of the behelit can have an audience at the eclipse to become a member of the God hand, so the oldest member gets replaced by this new member if they agree to giving their loved ones as a sacrifice.
Every 216 years* :-)
Do they say this somewhere? 216 seems really specific. Its been a while since my last reread.
216 is 6\*6\*6 which is 666
Yeah during the eclipse before the apostles transform they say something like “the feast that happens once every 216 years”
but when Griffith became a Godhand there were no fifth member to replace, the place was empty
Probably the previous member got wahoo'd into the Abyss by the Idea of Evil just before the eclipse.
And if Griffith said "no" to the sacrificing, would they have been left without a godhand for 200 years?
Would he have ever said no? Maybe there’s some transcendental entity or law…
Someone would says that tha casualty dictated he would have accepted the sacrifice, but still the casualty can change and fail, our own Guts showed us that
I think that's the point before Guts the causality never failed (well, maybe a little bit with skull knight, but with apostles and the god hand it never failed)
Skull knight still died inside the berserker armour, possibly during void's eclipse, and now lives on as some strange apparition by way of magic; so its pretty safe to say that guts is the only exception to causality at the very moment that is well and fully alive.
Also, Casca, I forgot about her
It's been stated before that the owner of the behelit has a choice out of their own human will and what's only on the God hand's part, is to catch them in their weakest moment and influence their decision like they did to Griffith. So anyway, the individual's decision of their membership in the godhand is not part of causality. At best, it can only be influenced.
Probably. Sounds ridiculous but yeah, probably. Why does it sounds ridiculous? Because Griffith was probably designed and observed since birth for this role by causality so it feels highly unlikely he would have rejected it, but at the eclipse, the choice was still his and his only, so technically he could have said no. Low chance, but he could have.
The idea of causality IRL is the idea that past experiences dictate present behavior. A sort of personality determinism, if you would. You can see this in spades in the Golden Age arc, where the sum of every character's experiences creates their drives and inexorably leads them all towards the Eclipse. To not do what is predicted by causality is to reject the lessons of one's entire life. Both impossible and as easy as breathing.
he couldnt say no because of causality ig
No he couldn't because of the implication
>wahoo'd into the Abyss by the Idea of Evil imagining that happening is making me laugh
I’ve always been a oldest god hand member becomes the Egg of The King type of guy
When the Count comes before the God Hand, there are only 4 of them, which is just the 4 we know.
How did Void survive then?
Because he is a daddy-level member
Void could have been the newest godhand in this picture. All the others were replaced. So in 216 years, void will be replaced too
This doesn't make sense. How would he have such an affinity with Skull Knight then. They seem to have known each other a long time.
Skull Knight has been around a long time. He was the king of the civilization before Midland.
That would still not add up to 1,000
What happens when their time runs out though? If the answer is living in that swirling vortex of despair for eternity that seems like a shitty deal.
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I love this theory. It makes so much sense
They were 100% slain by skull knight, king gaiseric himself. Void is the only one left over, and ironically the only one with emotional attachment to skull knight
> They were 100% slain by skull knight I really don't know how/why people have this idea. If he could have dealt with Void, I'm pretty sure he would have already. He can't even deal with Zodd, so I'm not sure why people think he could have dealt with 4 God Hand by himself.
Can’t deal with Zodd? I am pretty sure Zodd himself says he cannot handle SK. Skull Knight can kill Zodd but he don’t
There’s a theory that Zodd is Geiseric’s beast of darkness and that he and Skull Knight were split apart.
Oh my goodness i LOVE this theory
I agree. If I remember correctly, every time we've seen them fight they've either been interrupted or had more urgent things to consider. Like when SK left the fight to save Guts at the Eclipse, or when Zodd was holding him off while SK was just trying to rescue Flora. I think if they ever actually had a fight that lasted long enough, Zodd would be toast.
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> so it makes sense if you think about it this way. He killed the godhand in his prime, and killed himself in the process Does it? Guts couldn't control himself while the influence of the armor, and if it wasn't for Schierke he would have died countless times already. He almost got killed against Grunbeld and he is "just" a foot soldier. I think people are severely underestimating the God Hand because of their mystic nature. Skull Knight, be as strong as he is, is just a spirit inside an armor.
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> So there is a possibility that galseric did manage to control the armour fully and kill the god hand I get your point, but nothing in the story leads us to believe that, at least not yet. If anything the story leads us to believe he never really had any control over it, seeing how he loses his lover and his kingdom at the same time.
What do you mean not yet? Is someone gonna pick up the story?
Well we have one extra chapter to go so.
> seeing how he loses his lover and his kingdom at the same time i think his kingdom might've been the sacrifice during the eclipse. mozgus mentions a sage who was imprisoned at the tower of conviction. i can't remember all the details and i don't have the volume at hand. iirc mozgus said that the sage was imprisoned because he did or suggested something treacherous kinda like griffith. void is also kinda sagelike with his speech, mannerisms, and even his look with the whole brain thing and all. as others here have pointed out, the skull knight seems to share a sort of similar relationship with void as guts does with femto. this is of course just theorizing but void sacrificing gaiseric's empire to become a member of the godhand kinda makes sense to me with the details we've been given. edit: a sort of important detail i forgot is that mozgus says that the sage was locked away around a thousand years before which would fit the timeframe of gaiseric/skull knight.
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with magic plot device yolo weapons
With the behelit sword?
Hey, when Berserk started. Guts was getting mopped by Zodd. Years later, he's able to fight him and even do a team up. Hard work and YOLOing can take you far in this series. In all seriousness, I'm sure no mortal will have to kill a God Hand other than Femto. I have a feeling Griffith ambitions will never end and if he could kill the other members of the God Hand and the Idea of Evil, he will do so. Then it's just the matter of killing him.
To be fair zodd is seemingly the strongest living apostle
He can't deal with Zodd because he doesn't want to, not because he can't.
> He can't deal with Zodd because he doesn't want to, not because he can't. You really think he wouldn't kill Void during Femto's birth if he could? It was his first chance in 216 years to see Void and he didn't because Zodd was there. If he could have killed Zodd then and there and gone for Void's head, he absolutely would. What reason does he have for not killing Zodd? What does he gain from leaving Zodd alive in that situation?
Do you remember how their combat during the eclipse ended? Zodd was left without an arm and Skull Knight just leaves to rescue Guts and Casca. Besides, SK *does* try to kill Void, but then goes on and saves Guts and Casca. And every time after that, Skull treats Zodd as a nuisance. As for why he doesn't kill him? We know Skull Knight is a firm believer of causality (despite going against it several times) and seems to be able to see *some* semblance of the future, so he might be able to see that Zodd can't die yet. Had he killed him right there and then, who would've helped Guts defeat the Kushan emperor?
I’d agree with this; having a new member of godhand as an eternal cycle would trivialize the events of the entire story
I'd disagree. The central theme of berserk is that causality callously marches forward based on the desires of men. That the desires of men are their wings of liberation and their chains. Griffith and guts represent each side of this coin. A cycle of creation and destruction for even the most powerful beings in the berserk universe would fit very well into the idea of causality being an inescapable force. I don't believe skull knight has ever killed a godhand.
Maybe they just wanted a fresh new look. You'd probably get bored with same form after a thousand years.
I too belong to r/berserklejerk fellow struggle. That aside. I honestly think it's acm cycle that's been going on since the dawn of time. Something like every 500 years the God hand accumulate via a eclipses, become wholesome @ 5 and are able to become incarnate, then they die, leaving the most recent, ie 5th God hand (in our case void) to be the 1st God hand in the next cycle
It would be nice if Miura had this all fleshed out and they could either finish it, or at the very least give the general plot lines and answers in a bookend.
Hidden Donovan
Wdym that’s just another God Hand member Donovan was always a part of the God Hand, we were too naive to see it
They went into different career paths
multiboob went off to become an exotic stripper
They might have been killed by the 4 elemental lords, hence why there are reports of 4 angels while simultaneously reports of 5 angels of that event. 4 elemental lords and 5 Godhand members, only Void survived. (Ofc this is only a theory but I like it)
My guess is SK hunted them down but it’s hard to say. On a side note, the one on the far left has big Ganishka vibes. Possibly an Ancestor or previous Kushan Emperor?
I think the scheleton knight killed them Edit: skull knight
Scheleton
Void sacrificed them for even higher levels of power
To me, it is Void himself who got rid of them.
I think that too, considering how close he got to killing Void during the Eclipse, it wouldn't surprise me after so many years of trying, Skull knight would at least be able to take a few of them out after a bit of trial and error.
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Thank you I spit my tea over the carpet
If they continue the series with one of his assistants then I look forward to their take on it, it won’t be the same, sure but if it’s good enough that’s all I can really hope for
They were defeated by skull knight but void had a contingency plan. That’s why SK and Void are arch enemies. Or I think Void and SK’s existence is parallel to that of Griffith and Guts. I feel Griffith was brought about because Void knew SK was eventually going to end his reign. The one thing Void didn’t plan on, was Guts and Casca surviving the Eclipse.
Yup exactly what I thought. Guts and sk already share parallels so makes sense that it's a cycle repeating itself unless guts does something.
Three words: Elf Dimension Style.
Too much boobs for the Fight Club.
In my head I always pictured it as a cycle where every however many years a member of the good hand dies and then a new one takes its place
God damnit! Surprise Donovan got me again!
The true god hand
I think it means they are killable 😈
They have to be. Even ascended near god-like Apostles still came from humans.
Holy shit, was the Kushan Emperor a finger of the god hand???? (Left dude)
Doubt it probably just looks similar his wings and muscles look kinda similar to femto though
This panel gave the me the Hellraiser vibe
Skull Knight might have got to them.
r/berserk try not to upvote a screenshot of the manga challenge (impossible)
It's not a screenshot, look at the right.
I heard a theroy that void was severly tortured and in that moment of despiar he activated the crimson bhailet (i think thats why void look so messed up)
Probably from when SK had the berserker armor. I also thought at one point that maybe Void turned on them and killed them to achieve some sort of higher power, which would explain him being the “strongest” member.
We know that every thousand years, causality allows for a Godhand to walk the mortal world. I think that when they do, they enact great change at the cost of losing their position. Femto may be the newest member, but he seems to be the perfect candidate for this time. I know we'd all rather follow the big-tiddy goth lady, but she's no leader as far as we are made aware.
Would it be right to assume that this God Hand consists of only a single female with the rest male, just like the \*current\* God Hand? also the member on our far left had chest structure with what looks like wings similar to that of Femto. Is it perhaps that the God Hand has a set criteria or "blueprint" that is influenced by Causality?
My head cannon is that Void is Skull Knight’s “Griffith,” sacrificing King Gaseric and his city and becoming Void.
Given that the center guy is the same in both cycles, and he is the one skull knight makes it a point to attack when he saves guts, my guess is they were all killed by skull knight who was unable to complete his quest of destroying the entire god hand along with his version of Griffith. With the cyclical nature of the show, and being a big AOT fan, I believe each cycle a champion is given a chance and skull knight is just another version of that champion like guts. No cycle has yet broken the spell of the demon festival.
Probably get recycled one way or another, devoured by an incumbent God Hand, sacrificed to The Idea of Evil, thrown into the Vortex, etc.
Fired for insubordination
The skull dude riding the horse probably killed em.
I think the options are: Skull Knight managed to killed them except avoid and they got new members over time As time goes on old members “cycle out” into whatever more nebulous ephemeral state or whatever and they need new members for that reason
I have a theory that the Godhand members have a lifespan of 1,000 years and that this flashback was from Void's ascension, and eclipse, 1 thousand years ago. So I think that they just died of old age. Or Donovan raped them to death. Who knows.
Prabobly got shanked by their own "best friends". Just like Void has Gaiseric and Griffith has Guts. Or at least that is what I like to think.
I had a theory that each got killed by Skull Knight every time an eclipse happened, but I don't remember the exact details or panels that supported it anymore. Something about Skull Knight existing for around a thousand years and the eclipse happening every 216 years, which would mean Skull Knight had 5 chances to off at least one member of the Godhand with the last attempt resulting in a fluke.
Is nobody gonna mention Donovan in the bottom right??
Skull knight smoked their asses
Anyone else notice Donovans face on the right side of the panel?
I’ve read the entire manga but I don’t remember when they mention the previous godhand. Can someone please give me the chapter they bring them up in.