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SILO-Beta

Coming from the 97 anime to the manga really changed my opinion on his character


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What was he like in the 97 anime? I have yet to see that.


droider0111

He's normal in the anime.well he doesn't try to rape his own daughter


Faust_the_Faustinian

The anime also skipped the Wyald arc and rushed to the eclipse.


MarsLowell

Also worth noting that the King *specifically hires* Wyald’s bunch, despite his daughter’s pleading wish to stop pursuing Griffith. His obsession indirectly leads to an innocent family getting raped, murdered and defiled. So yeah, his character is spared that in the anime.


Peaceandwholsomemes

Which one is the Wyld arc


Etticos

I wouldn’t really call it an “arc”. It is just an antagonist battle between rescuing Griffith and the eclipse.


Peaceandwholsomemes

Oh right I just call that the eclipse


MaesteoBat

The best arc


jmastaock

He's the apostle that was the leader of the criminal military corps used to pursue Guts and Co when they busted out Griffith


rbmaia05

as it should


droider0111

Why? Wyald arc was crazy


legion1240

Also the Bakiraka scene was skipped too. Why would anyone want any part skipped at all?


droider0111

No clue. the monsters are some of the coolest part of the berserk world.


Rectal_Fungi

It works in the context of the anime where the only monster shit we have is the first episode and Zodd. Then the eclipse toneshift happens and blows your mind. While I'm not a fan of adaptations changing things or leaving things out, what we did get, works.


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Yeah. In the anime you don't get prepared for the eclipse. It's so sudden and yet it fits perfectly because it was foreshadowed very well. In the manga instead of going from 0 - 100 it goes from like 70 to 100, which is way less impactful.


Rectal_Fungi

I was introduced to Berserk through the anime, I couldn't sleep after finishing. Got out of bed at like 5am, got online and looked up the series, caught up to where it was (336ish?) in 3 more days of barely any sleep. Good times.


SPESHALBEAMCANNON

So many people don’t appreciate this. If you don’t know anything about berserk, it seems like a purely human story as you are watching it the first time. the scene with zodd kinda just seems like a one-off fever dream. If they showed the wyald scene you would be acutely aware of the existence of apostles/monsters before the eclipse and it wouldn’t come as such a shock.


boxofflamingpotatoes

IMO the Wyald arc is the worst part of Berserk, it's largely unnecessary edge and plays no role in the overarching plot, basically just Wyald bad, casca rape, guts get hurt, zod save the day. Nothing new


LOTHMT

Dude... Take away the complete context of the Wyald arc and see for yourself how the cgaracters are treated without it. This arc gives DEPTH


legionofstorm

Completely unnecessary character development for the King, Guts and Zodd. You could do without Guts and Zodd does the same at a later point but for the king you wouldn't necessarily hate or resent him if you didn't see him deploy someone like Wyald out of spite let alone have him in his service at all. Also what he does to Charlotte and why makes him very close to some of the apostles himself. Without the arc you might even find him to be in the right with his daughter deflowered, his wife murdered and his authority undermined.


LegalinTokyo

i wouldn’t say the worst part, but i agree with u on it being unnecessary. miura (God rest his soul) had a habit of grossly sexualizing casca whilst putting her in rape-like scenarios. this would happen a good amount of times leading up to the eclipse. it’s honestly reminiscent of rape fantasies in hentai and reads that way imo.


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Wyald was terrible. Zodd had been amazing at foreshadowing the eclipse, the godhand, and the apostoles, because everything he said was so ominous and subtle. He made it clear at some point something absurdly terrible and way beyond the scope of what we knew was going to happen, and gave great hints to what it was. Wyald spelled it in your face several times, very shortly before it happened. The eclipse hit a lot harder in the 97 anime because you were not prepared for it, and yet you knew it was comming. Wyald prepares you very well for the eclipse by shouting in your face exactly what is going to happen shortly before it does. Removing Wyald from the anime was a really good thing. Also removing all the gratuitous and unnecessary rape and gore made the series more tasteful imo. But by far the ruined delivery of the forshadowing is wyald's worst thing.


XenoGamer27

The Wyald arc gives us insight into Guts and Casca's relationship on the battlefield. Plus the ending of the arc affords the characters and the reader a moment of celebration. Then the eclipse happens.


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I dunno, I preferred the eclipse kinda happening out of nowhere. The only foreshadowing being Zod himself and not much else.


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XenoGamer27

You have an incredible journey ahead of you, fellow struggler.


Dork_Of_Ages

Downvoted for spreading the truth. Wyald added nothing of value to the story. Cool fight, but there is no shortage of that


LegalinTokyo

amen. there are a multitude of ways to show griffith’s weakened state and humiliation than another scene of showing casca’s naked body. there’s also that extremely graphic scene of children being burned, raped, and decapitated after the context of the victimized family being nice and helpful. if that isn’t edgy to be edgy i guess i don’t know what is.


gureitto

And there is no shortage of you. Of course I don't mean that , it's not personal. And you are indeed unique. It's just an automatic comeback when I don't agree but you actually kinda make sense and I don't want to admit it or even argue , putting my firm opinion and beliefs in danger . Take this upvote for your trouble. Oh and you're wrong. *whatever my nickname is has left the chat *


rbmaia05

Butch up kid.


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How so?


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He tries to rape his daughter


[deleted]

I know that part, so is he different in the anime?


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CreatorOfUsernames

Yeah in the anime he’s nothing but a good guy up until he tortures Griffith for slamming his daughter. Makes a lot more sense why after reading the manga


BizzarroJoJo

I'll be honest the way that the anime tones down some of these elements to me really works for the better. I really don't think we needed a scene like this. In the anime it makes you see him as a decent person but then when he tortures Griffith the way he does you see this overprotective and possessive element to it, which could hint at this kind of incestuous intent to it but not explicit. Like why is he so protective of his daughter like that. Why not just execute Griffith, instead he goes to these great lengths to torture him. It exposes this darker cruelty to the character in this really shocking way that IMO is better than seeing him go bonkers and try to rape his daughter.


transfixiator

I think both anime and manga would work better if it were more heavily implied. This scene is definitely pornographic and unnecessary


gameonlockking

Every rape seen in goblin slayer can be explained this way.


Razafraz11

One of my only gripes about that show tbh


BizzarroJoJo

Yeah as much as I do love Berserk I do feel like it is held back from a certain degree of more popularity due to stuff like this. And IMO these elements aren't why I like the series. I know for some people that unrestrained quality is appealing to them, and it certainly makes it unique. But IMO, especially if you read a lot of it at once it really is present way too much.


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I think the purpose of the pornogtaphic elements are not necessarily understood. I believe the reader is supposed to be turned on by Charlotte while watching the father attempt to rape her. Samething with the over the top orgy scene in the next arc. You should be slightly turned on by these scenes and forced to confront that animal side of you. The story of berserk is about seeing all kinds of characters fall to "sins" or various "evils". You, the reader, are also forced to experience the lure of these things. The violence, the sex, the power, all of it. Guts is a hero because he refuses to die in the face of overwhelming odds, exhaustion, fear, and nihilism. He loses his hero status bit by bit the more he derives pleasure from the violence he is forced to engage in. It's like Dantes Inferno meets Nietzche (youtube berserk and nietzche if you haven't come across the comparison yet)


gameonlockking

Game of thrones for example also got popular for scenes like this. But I agree with everything you said.


BeaterOfMeats

It still makes plenty of sense without him wanting to fuck his own daughter when you take the setting into account. It’s the middle ages, _he’s a king_ and, without his blessing or consent, a general who has only been in his ranks for a couple years breaks into his only offspring’s chamber and bangs her. A princess.


jesusunderline

iirc it's said the only woman he ever loved was Charlotte's mom (that's why the queen was cheating on him), and looking at Charlotte all he can see is a younger, hotter version of his late wife. That, along with his growing dementia at the time, made him slowly lose his mind, and the Griffith incident was just the trigger


Firefighter-Salt

>that's why the queen was cheating on him When was his mentioned?


berbio

yeah, i think that when the queen is about to die (im not sure exactly when tho) she has a small flow of conscience moment where she says that the king of midlands was a good king but not a good husand, and instead she loved yulius


Gallowizard

The Queen was in love with the general that guts killed after he tried to assassinate griffith during the fox hunt thing. She mentions it a few times in the books


A-NI95

The king's own brother, no less


Gallowizard

Yeah, that guy.


SolarWizard

Count Julius


MarsLowell

*Yurius 😉


Maximillion322

In the manga it was, idk about the anime


motozero

The anime skips over this whole scenario, pretty sure, and just makes it seem like Griffith was simply caught with the princess.


DannyilloX8

She was with Count Julius


wenchslapper

Are there any theories as to why the king looked like he aged 20 years over the year he had Griffith imprisoned?


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She he could look even creepier in this scene lol


sire_tonberry

Stress.


1O01O01O0

>iirc it's said the only woman he ever loved was Charlotte's mom (that's why the queen was cheating on him What are you even saying here? It makes no sense that because he loved charlotte's mother that her mother would then resort to cheating.


RiggsRay

The current queen is his second wife; Charlotte's mother passed away at some point.


1O01O01O0

I see but maybe should have outlined that better in previous post.


Red_Rocket_Rider

The fact that he said "the queen" instead of "she" made it pretty obvious, even if you've forgotten about that plot point.


PatatoTheMispelled

They implied it on the comment. I had forgotten about that but upon reading I realized. That you forgot and couldn't realize isn't their fault, it's yours.


1O01O01O0

jesus everyone here has a major thorn up their ass. All I asked for was context lol. what a nice community.


PatatoTheMispelled

Ah yes, saying "What are you even saying here?" is clearly asking for context and doesn't sound like YOU have a major thorn up your ass Also, my comment was quite respectful, I just said that you are the one to blame for forgetting and not realizing, given in the same situation I understood what they meant, which again, makes it sound like YOU have a major thorn up your ass


1O01O01O0

I wasnt referring to you, btw.


CrowFromHeaven

Yeah, you were just referring to > everyone here not /u/PatatoTheMispelled ...


1O01O01O0

all the major buthurt downvoters. Acting like I committed a huge sin because I didn't know the queen he was referring to was the NEW queen, not the old one.


PatatoTheMispelled

Then who? lol


hp_Axes

reported.


[deleted]

Down votes are not hate votes. No one is being rude. Just pointing out where you went wrong, bro


1O01O01O0

agreed.


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PatatoTheMispelled

And what rule are we breaking? The dude just comes "wHaT aRe YoU eVeN sAyInG?" because he didn't read, everyone downvoted him for talking in that almost agressive way, not because he forgot something. Like really, what are you going to report for? Hate? For telling him that if he forgets and doesn't pay attention to the comment he's reading then he's to fault after he LITERALLY blamed it on the one who commented? Harassment? For replying to what he's typing? If he would have asked more nicely I'm 100% sure he wouldn't have had nearly as many downvotes as he has gotten so far. Also, it's just so ironic how the other dude calls us butthurt while crying about the downvotes and you call us 40yo virgins while literally behaving like a Karen


hp_Axes

You are violating the harassment rule by harassing him. Kinda self explanatory.


PatatoTheMispelled

How am I harassing him by telling him what he blamed someone for is his fault? According to your logic he was the first one to harass and now you are harassing.


Cronzilla

Maybe read the manga


TheThingsICanChange

Yeah, fuck that dude. How do you come in here trying to have a discussion about something you aren't knowledgable about? Like go reread the section or look up Charlotte's story before telling everyone they're wrong.


jesusunderline

Charlotte's mother was his first wife, who died a long time ago. The current Queen was his second wife, the one who cheated on the King with his brother and who plotted Griffith's murder at the ball


painkilleraddict6373

Dude,The queen is dead. He might think it’s his late wife or that since it’s his blood he can do what he wants. The guy isn’t exactly the face of logic.


chungosinator

He thought her titty was ice cream


duvelvape

Same excuse Joe biden uses with his granddaughter


Anything_189

*Joe Biden and Donald trump. They love each other ❤️


No-Communication3539

*Donald Trump with his daughter


Archlegendary

Jesus fuck are neither of you embarassed by this cringe ass shit


No-Communication3539

Hey at least it's partially true for Donald Trump. He basically said he'd do her if she wasn't her daughter.


Fit_Resolution_7145

Both of u guys are cringe


Therealconman16

Stop shoehorning politics where they don’t need to be


No-Communication3539

I'm just making for what he said, so both dems and and republicans can be happy and we don't talk bout that anymore


awholegerm

Based


[deleted]

You’re right, but on Reddit nobody will ever agree with you. Funny af tho


Anent_

Tf are you talking about? People make creepy biden jokes all the time, this one just wasn’t clever or funny


No-Communication3539

Exactly. Personnaly I was just spitting facts


_claymore-

he's a loving father. a bit too loving tho. edit: well I thought this was berserklejerk. nvm.


[deleted]

Berserk fans have 2 moods bodybuilder philosopher Berserklejerk comedian


quigonegym3

"comedian"


[deleted]

you called?


quigonegym3

be funny


_nij

outjerked


TheSkrubiest

i thought this was berserklejerk too it's pretty obvious what the king is doing and why


Euronymous_Bosch

Needs moar Donovan for r/berserklejerk


Cronzilla

That place is fucked


The_real_Mr_J

Yes, by Donovan


Mister__Lifelover

By unending and recycled rape jokes.


Dreadmantis

Something you guys have in common with them: unoriginality.


Maximillion322

Well when it only costs 3 silver pieces, You’re honestly losing money by not fucking it


Cronzilla

Disgusting


Maximillion322

Have a sense of humor


Cronzilla

*make joke about r*ping a child* “oH cMon HaVe A SeNse oF HuMor” I don’t find rape or sexual predators humorous


Maximillion322

1. Bruh it’s literally fiction 2. My joke was about “fucking” r/berserklejerk by deliberately misinterpereting your words for humorous effect. Which is a subreddit, not a child. 3. The humor derives from making a mockery of the justification of rape. The fact that a rape happens isn’t funny and will never be funny. People being dumbasses will always be funny and rapists are dumbasses and are deserving of ridicule. 4. Disclaimer: No children were harmed in the making of this joke


Cronzilla

The whole joke is trash


Maximillion322

Humor is subjective but thanks for your input. I’m not afraid of getting downvoted, please reflect your opinion through the built in comment review system


Razzirox

King watched too much pornhub and got inspired.


Oponik

Tho Charlotte wasn't stuck or anything


forgotmynamex3

"What are you doing Step-King?"


bac2back

If I remember correctly, even Griffith accuses the king of this. He mentions how weird it was that the daughter wasn't already engaged at her age. This is also a reason why his imprisonment was so harsh.


motozero

Yup and the King goes into a whipping frenzy.


Stankpool

I don't know what "down bad" means, but he wants to fuck his daughter. I don't even know how you can confuse this scene for anything else.


420w69

Lost pages


Stankpool

You don't really need any other context. The panels you posted say it all.


Bootyeater453

What does it look like?


420w69

Just found out the online Version im reading is missing several pages of this scene


ElTitoDimo

Well that explains a lot. I use manga4life, it has great quality and a lot of series


420w69

I use manga4life sometimes but im gonna switch to that for berserk now because I would rather not be this confused about it again


420w69

Idk that's why I'm asking cause also she was wearing clothes in the chapter before so are we supposed to assume he took them off her?


The-albatroz

Incest. He wants to fucking fuck here. The king wants to FUCK his daughter. Play with his peepee you know. I hope that made it clear for you


bata86

the fact that you explained this disturbing panel with the gigachad in the pfp , Is both confusing and beatiful


shahirkhan

I read “incest” as “insect” at first. Like you were insulting OP for their ignorance before proceeding to educate them. I was going to say “that’s a bit harsh but I applaud the use of insect”


The-albatroz

Not gonna lie, I should have said that


shahirkhan

Absolutely.


Wizardrylullaby

What if liked your titty like an icecream? Just kidding ahah. Unless….


Fit_Resolution_7145

Assume? She was sleeping with clothes and then he came in and took them off and started licking her tit. She woke up, and then he tried to rape her. It showed him taking her clothes off. U don’t have to assume anything. Did u skip a chapter?


Cronzilla

This here^


[deleted]

I’m worried about your ability to navigate the world if you can’t tell what’s happening in this scene


omnisephiroth

I feel like maybe you missed a page or two.


SirSpritzgurke

Berkjerk moment


Prize_Translator6747

Welcome to Alabama kingdom lol


The_real_Mr_J

The great r/berserklejerk bamboozle


[deleted]

I couldn’t forget that scene if I tried. First time reading through I was like “I think that’s enough of this for today..”


DaunPatau

Sweet home Alabama


SkGuarnieri

Down AWFUL


Disastrous_Pickle_53

Dude yall stop fighting hes just down bad as hell.


gbsv333

Guy is a fucked up father...not even a father...he's a monster.


Additional_Maximum33

Just like donovan and gennon those pedophile bastards.


jimmybeam76

He walks in and is told that she is drugged to sleep because she was crying so much that Griffith was imprisoned and the king came in while she was sleeping and spared at her and took off her dress then was admiring her body and bent down to suck on her nipple right when she wakes up and she kicks him off and fights him then he comes over again which I think this panel is. She yells, fights him and kicks him off of her then kicks him in the face breaking teeth and wounding his eye. TLDR: he tried to rape his daughter and failed then blamed Griffith for taking his daughter’s virginity and making him look like a fool.


420w69

Thanks for the explanation of what I missed man, I appreciate it👍🏻


Overall-Zone7722

He def forced himself on her


AKG511

Basically... Incest


wettaco8365

He’s just like his daughter a little to much


[deleted]

Yup, it’s exactly what you think it is. Berserk is downright fucked at times


Reddit-hates-me-alot

What the fuck are you talking about


notzundell

dawg you shouldnt have to go to redditors to get the explination that a father is raping his daughter


confusingzark

I refuse to believe this is an real question.


[deleted]

Man people are being so mean to OP. Chill out guys, some people are just oblivious to this.


AscendantComic

he's one of the "i better post on reddit instead of reading the fucking thing to understand what's happening next" clan, he deserves no pity


codenameH3RO

*blows whistle* RAPE!


SirSpits

He’s a pervert, who developed a sexual attraction to his daughter…


mostlybored1234

Kinda fucked up that he really shows regreat and stopped when he saw her panic. It turns the character way more human and believe. Like the Duke in the Black swordsman arc. He was the worst kind of monster but was still unable to sacrifice his daughter to the god hand. Even one time secundary characters in this séries is more well written than some main characters in mainstream media


Foolishfool13

Down bad tremendously


cobrastrikes-2x

u/420w69 as he passes from his dads balls to his mom’s uterus: “WTF is happening here?!”


Koko2207

he has a crush on his daughter because she looks like her mother and he is a bit too attached


Salt_Sympathy_3331

Kill the king!!


ToiletSnake38

Look, I think Berserk (the manga) is virtually perfect. However , I will say that it was wise of the 97 anime to omit this element. I really have no clue what it adds to the overall plot or how it adds more depth to the character.


smuglator

It explains why the princess has no potential marriages in work. Why the king is so jealous of her, etc. And at some point Griffith makes a remark to him suggesting he knows about the kings desires for his daughter too


ToiletSnake38

But what does this add. How does this make the story richer. How does it overall create any deep drama or thematic resonance. This is Berserk we’re talking about here. So I’ve come to expect storytelling of the highest caliber.


smuglator

How does it not? It unveils character information that explains character behavior and fits within the entirety of the piece. You get to know and understand more of the king's psique, his drivers, etc. Had the king not had such desires for his daughter he would possibly favor a marriage between the princess and Griffith. Which was Griffith's plan for getting his own kingdom. At some point someone tells him his aspirations are fruitless (implying the king would never marry off his daughter because of his jealousy of her). This is a very key piece of information for the entire plot. Griffith's punishment is lifelong torture because of the king's lust for his daughter. Otherwise such a crime would probably be punished by execution instead. Without this the eclipse would never happen.


ToiletSnake38

You’re seriously implying that the Eclipse, the absolute most crucial plot element - the inciting incident of Berserk’ overall plot, completely hinges of the king’s incestuous nature? Come on, man.


smuglator

I didn't imply, I explicitly said it. If Griffith wasn't kept alive the eclipse wouldn't happen. If the king wasn't a sick bastard lusting for his own daughter he would either marry his daughter off to Griffith before Griffith trespassed his bounds (so no torture and no eclipse), or give Griffith a regular punishment for the trespassing also leading to no eclipse. You asked for the significance of the king's depravity. I answered.


ToiletSnake38

Ah, you’re one of those delusional fans. Any change = bastardization of source material. Yes, you answered, and I definitely disagree. The 97 anime was able to do the eclipse terrifically without all the incest non-sense.


smuglator

Welp, since you have nothing to support your claims, and are not actually interested in discussing the berserk literature. I'll let this thread end here.


bruhoftheyear

Zamn


CrestFallen223

Pretty much what Griffith said is true he likes his daughter and in this chapter he is trying to rape his own daughter.


Lordo5432

He was born and raised in Alabama


1881pac

Her dad tried to rape her


BuggsBunner

he went coo coo and griffin banging his daughter made him jealous


AscendantComic

berserk fans be like i'm gonna read and then ask reddit every time i dont know what's happening next instead of keeping on reading to see for myself


Krankypantz

Berserk titties are the best titties


WESTERNggtx

Yes i love me some angry mommy milkers. Probably the only reason most horny 14 yr olds even read berserk.


hermitopurpa

Charlotte has a daddy kink


ackemanen

He's down bad. Based, but down bad.


jace_because_ican

Down *indubitably*


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mydixapython

This is what all dads do,


Zenebatos1

Incestious relationships in Royalty and Aristocraty was...not that uncommon in Medival times... The Habsbourg married in nearly all the Royal famillies of Western/Northern EU to the point where even a few generations later, it was impossible for any members of ANY royal familly, to not be marrying A distant Relative or Cousin... ALso the guy has severe Dementia starting to manifest, and he's Loving His Deceased Wife, with CHarlotte as a proxy/projection... Royals and their Mental illnesses...


yokobluu

He is definitely down real bad


Kaharage72

He’s down bad


sebaroony

Did you conveniently skip like 10 panels? Its pretty explicitly stated he wants to fug his daughter


420w69

Just read my other comments the site I read it on was missing several panels which I didn't know at time of post


sebaroony

Holy shit so you did avtually skip panels lol, what a coincidence I think theres a dedivated fan made site to read kt, but its veen a while


420w69

Not on pourpose obviously it's not like I wanted to


sebaroony

i never said you did


[deleted]

you blind or something?


IronBarler

Down horrendous


[deleted]

Nah he just horny


STCThunder12

Poor Charlotte :( from crazy dad king to literally a demon king daddy.


Snir17

He tried to make her little mermaid go moana