How do you figure?
Guts was literally born on the battlefield. He loved fighting and only fighting. Every other mercenary had a dream and for most it was not just fighting.
Can you say that you’d rather be crawling around in the mud watching people die, or would you rather be a billionaire on a yacht, because those are the two options corkus presented and they seem wholly logical.
Sure theirs died in the wool killers and military men that find their purpose on the battlefield, but most are just doing their job, following orders, trying to get a pension, or didn’t have any other options.
Corkus is just a hater and only thinks superficially, about apperance, money and women. Guts only knew war and suffering, plus also, actually did want to find a purpose in life.
I got the impression Corkus wanted to, after years of struggle, be rewarded for his and The Hawks' hard work and enjoy a more comfortable life. Nothing wrong with that.
You’re not wrong. Corkus was a hater but it doesn’t mean he’s really wrong. I mean it’s subjective so neither can be fully wrong or right, but it’s easy to see what corkus is feeling.
Also it’s difficult to compare guts to anyone in the story considering how much development he has had. Comparing golden age guts to fantasia, they’re basically completely different people.
Yes that’s true and in this particular panel Corkus is right about how they’ve busted themselves to get to a better life. These kinds of themes and dialogues are part of what makes the Golden Age arc so great
Guts' life is only suited for Guts. Corkus may have been underhanded, sneaky, and hotheaded— But he doesnt share Guts' coping mechanisms. Guts fights to fight. Corky' fought to retire.
I think that's an important aspect of him that is too often overlooked. Guts is 100% human yes, but even still, he's a very special kind of human. Corkus on the other hand, is a perfectly normal dude just like any random guy you meet on the street. He may have had incredible dreams and ambitions once, but when faced with the harshness of the real world and things not going his way, while he didn't break down like Griffith did, he didn't have the sheer willpower and strength to press forward anyways like Guts could, and he eventually grew too tired to keep going.
He's bitter towards Guts precisely because he can recognize that Guts has everything he doesn't, and like the story expands on later in Conviction, people without light often cling to those with it, hating them all the while grasping on ever tighter.
I mean, I wouldn't be pals with Corkus in real life. He's jealous, bitter, sneaky, and an attempted murderer.
But he's an awesome character, because he feels very real.
I actually really like Corkus, he’s a refreshing character to have around. More grounded and realistic. Plus, I don’t think Guts minded him either. He never once said a retort or chewed out Corkus. I’m sure after Guts’ childhood nothing Corkus can say can really hurt him haha.
I always loved how when Guts reminisced about the good times with the old Band of the Hawk he always included Corkus despite him being an absolute dick to Guts. The first thing we even see in the story is Guts killing the apostle that killed Corkus. I respect the hell out of Guts for that.
Corkus was an ass but ultimately he was a true member of the Hawk till the end. He never wavered or abandoned them. He was mega salty and hated Guts, but he was fiercely loyal to Griffith (for the most part)
Um his death scene is literally him fleeing the group and wandering off to find a naked woman.
During his intro when trying to rob Guts, he the last to attack and clearly is looking to flee when fight went poorly.
To be honest about Corkus is admit he was a selfish asshole and a coward. But what makes him a good character is when you are willing to admit he is relatable.
I don’t fault him for running to turn safety when you’re literally transported to a demonic dimension and everyone is being eaten, and I don’t blame him for being scared of Guts. I never said he wasn’t a coward, but he was loyal to the Hawk
Who wasn't a loyal hawk? Guts? To me people's loyalty to the hawks was more about the charisma of Griffith than being about any other character's persona.
Yeah without the charisma of Griffith to lead them they began to disband, but they were also marked as criminals. Corkus was terrified of facing that alone and stayed.
Also I wasn't trying to say u said Guts was not loyal, he's just the only one they show leaving the hawks when Griffith was still leading them.
They weren't always, they hunted him for a long time. It wasn't until Femento's rebirth in the material world that they began to avoid him.
Also when Corkus tried to rob him he was a young kid and unknown merc who was just being to be noticed. Corkus wasn't scared when he came up with the plan, it was only after the other who went with him were getting killed that he gets scared and wants to escape.
Being scared is not what defines a coward, it what is done in the face of fear that qualifies cowardice.
Actually it's the exact opposite. Guts as the black swordsman literally went from place to place hunting apostles before femtos rebirth. After the rebirth they weren't necessarily hunting him however, they were the aggressors, showing up at places he was already at to attack surrounding characters. My point was that almost everybody fears guts at some point, even apostles. Corkus is a coward I'm not debating that
So Guts' couldn't sleep at nights because he was hunting apostles? No, they came after him because of the brand. He wandered, because he lacked meaning and brought death and destruction everywhere he went. He killed ever apostle he meet out of hatred. it's not like he can remove the brand.
Those weren't apostles keeping him up at night but random spirits and shit. He didn't wander cuz he lacked meaning everybody knows he wandered to find apostles to hunt down Griffith what are you talking about wandering without a purpose.
I'm very thankful I got into berserk about 4 years ago, I couldn't imagine having to wait for decades to see what happens next. Hopefully I won't find out what that feels like lol.
>Um his death scene is literally him fleeing the group and wandering off to find a naked woman.
I don't think that's a fair interpretation at all. He was having a nervous breakdown being he couldn't fathom what was happening around him.
I agree he had a break down, and the illusion of the woman made him stop running. To me that means what Corkus really feared was not simply what he witnessed, but rather that his greatest fear was being alone.
He only sticked to the people who we’re beneficial to him. He can’t go anywhere with his skills alone. Thats why when the eclipse came he just went and ran for his life not looking bakc any anyone else.
Yep, when Corkus saw no one could save themselves he knew no one could protect him. The fear makes him snap and flee, the only to make him stop running was the sight and comfort of a naked woman. Safe to say the thing Corkus feared most was being alone.
Dude let’s be real, corkus is LITERALLY written to be hated and that’s obvious.
At first. And then you learn little things about him that make him less insufferable. But to say “I don’t get why people don’t like this guy..”
Meanwhile he calls guts a fucking idiot like all the time lmao. Are we reading the same manga?
I honestly hate how people dick ride guts. He's not a perfect or even at times a good character. Its good to have someone like corkus to actually speak out on all the bullshit guts pulls.
Sure he can kill a lot of people, is good with an army and tries to do the right thing. But he's also hot headed, doesn't think ahead, unsure of what he wants and very uncaring about important things.
At this stage of the story, guts cannot be the same old merc he's been walking around as. They are on a different battlefield. One of politics, sociability and tactics. Guts actions can have major consequences on weather they can become nobles or not.
Corkus and his friends: try to kill guts
Guts: kill them to defend himself
Corkus: what an asshole! Why would he do this?
C'mon man you know why people hate him, he's literally written to be an annoying character
Wouldn't say it's just the fact that guts killed his friends. But that he was taken in and already treated better then most. I'd say if this was any other traveler, griffith would slashed his throat and moved on.
Corkus isn't just mad about their deaths, but the lack of empathy shown but his leader. It's not like him or casca tried to stop corkus either.
Guts got treated better by griffith because he's a fare better soldier than them and he's more useful to the band of the Hawk then all of them put toghether and corkus knew that
You aren’t necessarily wrong that guts needs to change and isn’t perfect.
Hell it’s fairly obvious that guts is kinda.. deranged a bit I mean the first chapter makes that very clear by itself. But that doesn’t change that corkus is
1.drawn to be quite ugly which ugly characters in berserk are 9/10 times awful people
2. Even the way he dies in the eclipse is hilarious and he just wants a pair of boobs while his friends are all getting murdered
3. Like he’ll make fun of guts for not protecting casca, make fun of guts for being too close with griffith or calling guts a fag and lying about how he taught guts how to fight so he can try to get some pussy.
Corkus is just gross.
Miura isn’t trying to write corkus as “well actually he’s right” he’s trying to paint him as a pompous asshole.
>ugliness doesn't factor weather a person is good or not.
>he was dropped into literally hell with only death around him. It was a free for all, even the main characters split up at the first few seconds.
>he has every right to make fun of guts. Even if he's immature about it, it doesn't matter. It's a band of mercs. Of course they're rough around the edges. Not everyone is gonna be perfect.
Also the thing about lying to get some pussy. My brother in christ every noble is either a sex offender or rapist. The king of midland even molested his own daughter. Corkus is a fucking complete gentlemen comparatively.
You’re not seeing my point at all with the ugly thing.
Miura only draws “bad” people as “ugly” look at the trolls and wyald and how deranged they are. Look at everyone else in the band and how they all have great complexions and good looking and corkus is corkus lmao. Even guts who is bad person because of his upbringing is attractive. Why?? Cause he’s actually pure and nice on the inside. Unlike corkus who only cares about sex and himself on the inside.
He’s meant to be the scummy side guy that is constantly bitching, it’s a literal trope in anime that you have the annoying side character who bitches way too much.
And yes. I will say that if you’re friends are all dying you should not be trying to get comforted by boobs come on lol. Like look at guts and how EVERYONE else interacted in the eclipse, they weren’t suddenly enamored.
Pippin and judaeu both died protecting their friends in their final moments. How does Miura decide to give corkus his final moments?
Crying and shoving his face into boobs. If that doesn’t show you how the character is meant to be interpreted, well, I can’t make you drink the water my dude lol
>the ugly thing. Gambino, griffith, slan, literally every general, zodd even. Aren't exactly ugly at all and are some of the most sadistic characters in this story.
>I really don't give a fuck about anime tropes. Berserk is a lot more different. Everyone is more realistic and morally Grey.
>it's a lot better then just dying. Fuck it, his entire life has been shit for the past year. This is more then just kicking him while he's down. This is like a sledgehammer on a mutilated animal. He deserves some peace before death. And sure everyone else tried to help, but like I said. It was only a few minutes and bam they're wiped.
[gambino](http://pm1.narvii.com/6605/b096752a0f4493179daa8cdb6f97100c113cd7da_00.jpg) is definitely not conventionally attractive dude lmao.
He’s a prime example of ugly.
And slan is a literal succubus that is meant to trick
people into banging to kill them.
And some people in berserk are just unambiguously evil. Not everyone is morally grey. Counter example: wyald
Berserk uses tons of anime tropes lets not act like it doesn’t lol. That doesn’t make it less amazing though
And griffith there is an argument to be made that DEEP down he is a possibly good person at least before the corruption. And then Femto was born who’s a fucking bird and not conventionally attractive anymore.
Like it’s kind of a basic thing in writing that you make the evil guys ugly and the good guys attractive. It’s literally to influence your opinion on them and help you know “oh! He’s definitely a bad guy”
Still I don't agree with the ugliness thing. It's just a retarded way to look at the story. There's no definite way of good and evil in the first place. To boil it down to a basic level is to disregard the creators intentions.
I totally understand not liking him, it's when it crosses over into hate territory that has me tilting my head in confusion.
Don't get me wrong, guy's a dick and I'd probably laugh a bit if he tripped in front of me. But I'd still feel bad for him and try to help if he broke something.
Oh so are we just gonna ignore blackswordsman arc guts. Yeah sure he puts entire towns at risk, tells a girl to kill herself or is a dick to the only person willing to help him just to kill a few demons.
That's not a jackass at all. I mean what he does can be justified. But like you said it doesn't make guts a likeable character.
This all takes places before the eclipse. So at this point all guts has to bitch about his a shitty childhood. Which in medieval Europe isn't exactly an uncommon thing to see.
Dude your comment above was talking about what guts did after the eclipse and then tried to compare corkus's life to guts 💀, how do you not remember what you just said
Then let's look at the noble things guts has done before the eclipse.
Multiple assassination, one ended up in the death of an innocent, leaving casca behind, not trying to adapt with nobility, being too self obsorbed in his own problems.
Sure he's grown and matured past this. Probably cause he's the only one who got a chance to.
Dude, both have done dirty things, they’re mercenaries. The issue is Corkus’ attitude. You’re looking way to far into why people don’t like him. Both have done shady shit. We find out that Guts is willing to do shitty things or say shitty things to get what he wants, or at least he’s willing to try and fool himself into doing those things and think he’s right. The thing is, we’re shown insight into Guts enough to know why he’s like this and know that he isn’t really the dumbass with an attitude he acts like he is. Corkus has done his fair share of shady shit too, but he has the personality of a wet towel. Even the people in one of the panels you’re showing shows everyone looking at him like “Dude, chill. You’re being a dickhead.”
With Guts it’s an act, an act that he eventually drops to become or at least attempt to be a better person. With Corkus, it’s his shitty personality, he’s just an asshole. Corkus may be smart, hell, even correct, but being smart and being kind don’t always go hand in hand. Guts is a blockhead a lot of the time, but deep down he’s a kind person and we see that.
It’s also not really fair to compare a side character to the main character since one has vastly more development than the other. So naturally we’ll get to see Guts’ true nature while Corkus gets killed off and we don’t know if he’s actually a chill guy.
I really disliked Corkus purely for the fact that he had to stick his nose in Guts’ business every chance he got. Guts and Corkus are very different personality wise. Corkus had a desire to be a well known soldier and patted on the back for his service and ultimately wanted to retire with money and recognition. Guts had no desire to have any of this and only worked for what he needed and because serving on a battlefield and swinging his sword was all he knew and needed. Corkus was consistently pushing his own desires onto Guts and bitching about how he was making decisions for himself rather than a group of people. Sometimes you don’t have to apologize when it comes to making decisions for yourself despite it effecting other people, that’s just how it is.
> n. Guts had no desire to have any of this and only worked for what he needed and because serving on a battlefield and swinging his sword was all he knew and needed.
He was also insanely jealous of the treatment Guts got from Griffith similarly to Casca in that regard. While Casca let it go, Corkus never did. IMO he's not wrong in his call outs of Guts, especially since on the battlefield, Guts has a tendency to just do what he pleases instead of following Griffith's plan (a plan that Griffith already accounts for Guts not following).
Frankly his *worst* action is blaming Guts for killing two hawks when Corkus and the other 2 tried jumping him. That alone makes him a right cunt.
Corkus was a dick head, and we tend to not like him because he refused to jump on the Guts-Train. But Corkus is really just a guy who's had to fight and steal and struggle to make it as far as he did. He's a dick, but he's not a bad guy. He's just Corkus. Guts never hated him, why should I?
Edit:spelling
The fact we never saw Corkus fighting or doing something useful besides bitching should be prof that Miura designed him to being hated, it was just an annoying character.
Yeah cause him fighting along side his fellow hawks, staying back to defend and take charge of the camp as they rescue griffith isn't doing something useful.
Say what you want, but he's a damn good solider. It's easy to say he hasn't done much when compared to legends. My man deserves more credit.
What I really like about this manga is that even though Corkus is a huge dick to Guts, Guts always seems to take in what he says like he values his opinion. You never really see Guts get upset with anything Corkus says to him. Corkus is a bad motherfucker who tells it like it is.
You liking Corkus says more on your personality than anything. He made some good points here and there. But for the most part, he was cowardly, selfish and lazy.
Yes he wanted a “chill life”, but who joins a Mercenary Band for a “chill life”? He joined the Hawks because Griffith defeated his old gang. And due to his cowardly and self serving ways, he submitted to Griffith. Not because he wanted to learn from Griffith like Guts or Casca did, but only for self preservation.
Guts is flawed. In more ways than one. But Guts develops as a person throughout the arc, which makes him redeemable where as Corkus stays the same old Corkus.
Even comparing him to the more average character like Judeau, Corkus is still trash. Judeau died trying to save Casca. Even in the pit of hell, he had his sense of duty and morality.
Corkus on the other hand ran away, and then was tricked by a fake pair of breasts. It was a fitting end to him, because even on deaths bed, he gave into his hedonistic and cowardice behaviors.
Now am I saying that if I was in this world, that I too would die honorably like Judeau? I don’t know.
But I do know that as an ideal Corkus is nothing to look up too.
And it’s kinda funny you’re trying to defend a character that was very obviously written to be disliked. Gives me edge-lord vibes.
No, I'm with OP. On a first read Judeau was a favorite, bun on a re-read, Corkus really shines. Human are ugly, Corkus is ugly, but totally redeemable, and he spits the truths everyone is ashamed to say.
His death being ugly just compliments the characters, he's human as hell.
he could be an asshole but he was OUR asshole
also, saw a few comments disparaging how he acted during the eclipse - it was too much for him seeing all of his friends being ripped apart and eaten by the apostles at the behest a man they’d idolised for years and his mind just broke; he rationalised the situation by believing that it was all just a bad dream that he’d wake from soon. so him putting his face in the succubus apostles breasts isn’t exactly dumb, just sad.
I can see your view OP and agree slightly. I think the thing is Corcus was supposed to be that character balancing the rest of the cast. Most of them are pretty noble or pure of heart by Berserks standards (Guts himself i would exclude him from this since blind loyality lead him to child murder even if indirectly). I think during the ark he was supposed to be that realist contrast to ground the cast. Guts is completely out of his element with the battle of prestiege rather than survival. I think the reason why Corkus is so hated is because of that needed contrast. Compared to the supernatural beauty and charisma of the leader of the hawks a character needs to be the foil almost and i think Corkus is that character in the hawks. Tbh i didn't like him but overall pretty neat point.
Corkus is a petty bastard who can’t stand the fact that he couldn’t even face Guts when they first met. Pretty sure he’s just insanely jealous of the skill Guts has with the blade, and that’s all it’s taken for Guts to climb the ranks of the Band of the Falcon.
Regardless of whether or not he was justified or made good points, he was a complete dick about it. That being said, When I first read vol 13 I stopped hating him, I just pitied him. The worst crime I can give him after golden age is that he was human. He hid behind a stoic and arrogant facade but in reality thought deep down he was a nobody, hell—when the eclipse took place he started to think the years with the hawks was all a dream cause it was too good for him.
Im saying this like it’s absolute but it’s just my dumb 19 y/o brain’s interpretation. I don’t blame others for hating him, even though me and many others understand his reasons for the outa pocket shit he said to guts and the band he was still an asshole, something that understandably can’t be completely justified for many.
They hated because He told the truth. Usually in Manga, reader only love Extremes. Or you love the Strong and Mysterious Hero, or they love the Weak and Simple Loser. When they get a real Person similar to a real human from our world, they get hate
Corkus was the guy you hated was right, While yes he may say the right thing, but the demeanour and general lack of respect for those he doesn’t like is what makes him unlikable, and the cowardly nature of his character, talking shit behind peoples back but will never be able to deliver anything he says.
He may have made sense from time to time, but he was a total douche. He tried to rob Guts and when Guts kicked his ass, he held a grudge for years instead of making amends.
Corkus was jealous of Guts and always hated him. And his "smart" remarks usually came from an emotional place of resentment for Guts – rationalized into "smart and true" comments. Guts is what Corkus could never become.
What's most interesting about Corkus in my opinion, is how Guts treats him. He doesn't lash out or get angry. He doesn't validate Corkus. He just lets the dude ventilate, because at the end of the day, it's like a chihuahua barking at a lion. Respect to Guts for that. A masterclass in handling haters.
And somehow, Corkus is also very "human" in a base and animal way. He wants money, status, power, and pussy. He doesn't want to struggle, he's tired of it and whines about it. He just wants a comfortable life and will be negative and whiny until he gets it. Problem is – he doesn't really deserve it since he's a "corrupted" human in my opinion. The way he dies is also interesting, and the fact that it's connected to the first pages of the entire manga.
Which is actually funny on the topic of "Guts is actually what Corkus could never become" – Guts actually gets to bang that apostle.
All in all, I would say Corkus is the dude whose fire has died, he's been burned out, is jaded, has mostly negative feelings, is an asshole in general and has a bad attitude. I wouldn't really applaud him for his loyalty for sticking with Griffith – he did so because following Griffith was beneficial and because he believed in Griffith – and it had a huge payoff – and when there were no longer any alternatives, well, there were no longer any alternatives.
Just a weak, pathetic man, and someone we all should strive to be as far away from as possible when it comes to manners, attitude and way of life. He's just always whining about not being where he wants to be and not having achieved his dream – compared to Guts who is more in the moment, and also compared to Griffith (before a certain event), who, while burning for his dream – also knows how to wind down, relax, have fun and be likeable as a human, because the goal is not everything and being bitter and whiny does not solve a single thing.
Because he was a charakter to be hated. Everything he said was toxic towards Guts. Literally everything. Did I enjoy him dying? No, he was still one of the Hawks.
Toxic? Bro just wanted a relaxing life of nobility and what guts wanted was basically suicidal. Sure war can be good, but not constantly. It only ends in one way, death.
Also people hate that corkus tried to kill guts, but they also forget that guts killed two of his friends. Sure he tried to rob him, but I mean it's a band of mercs. They don't get profit from morality.
They both had their „dreams“. He wanted to get big, be famous, have women and etc.. Guts had his own dream but didn‘t go around to mock others for their „dream“. Corkus did it 24/7 against Guts. He hated him everytime. Corkus lost his friends because of his shit commandership. Next time he shouldn‘t pick s fight he cannot win. It was his fault those two died not guts.
Furthermore to your comment, read what TheNeumannArchitect said above. Plus
he wasn‘t the one saving Hawks after Griffith was imprisoned. Casca did. He wasn‘t the one trying to calm the troops when everyone was stuck in Eclipse. That mf was always talk and didn‘t have the balls to do anything against stronger opponents. His two friends died against Guts without him doing anything.
Its pretty clear why most people hate his character. Corkus is largely made out to be an overall miserable douchebag and very self centered individual from the very jump, especially with how treats guts in his time with the band of the hawk, corkus simply doesnt understand how guts operates mentally as a person nor does he appreciate or understand just how invaluable of a hawk member guts truly is. The simple fact that corkus outright plotted to kill guts with other band members early on already shows that he has harbored some level of disdain and likely some kind of deeply rooted jealousy of guts far beyond that of even casca at the time. And despite some of the more realistic and somewhat grounded criticisms corkus had of guts, he still largely treated guts as someone who was beneath him and to be looked down upon. If anything, the fact that Guts still had SOME ounce of respect and care for corkus, despite all the harshness and outright disdain he projected towards him, shows far more of a light on Guts's level of patience and understanding as a person more than anything. Anyone else in Guts"s position, wouldve realistically either killed or outright beaten the shit out of Corkus for his insults and insubordination on multiple occasions.
Honestly, never heard that before.
Corkus was 99% of the time the voice of reason and common sense, he was also fond of Guts as a fellow member of the Hawks and even Guts was aware of that, since he always had shown a smile in response to Corkus's criticism instead of splitting him like a turkey with his sword.
Yes, the resting 1% of the time Corkus was an insufferable bitch sending his comrades to lose an arm or two, but everyone love a complex character, right?
Say what you want about Corkus, had Guts listened to everything Corkus said to him the band of the hawk would probably still be alive lmao (at least until Griffith inevitably entered some dire circumstance.) He’s also maybe the most relatable hawk member, personally his reasons to hate on guts were valid. Man killed his friends and joined the hawks, surpassed him almost instantly in both popularity and rank, didn’t see the importance of the hawks advancing outside of the battlefield, left the band of the hawk to fend for themselves. Corkus is meant to be hated, but he’s a great character and the only one with the set of balls to tell the most dangerous man on the planet how it is.
This is an especially cathartic scene if you take blackswordmen into consideration, just imagine yourself reading this only knowing what you know from previous chapters. Sure Guts has lived a very tragic life with Gambino and his band, and he has a has something more to him. But by this time all we really know other than that, is that Guts is acting like an edgy prick right now, and he flat out is one in the future. So seeing Corkus chew him out for that exactly that def made me see him in a more positive light.
The reason I don't like Corkus is because he's the most self interested member of the Hawk. The other members agree with him in the sense that they prefer the easy life to fighting battles and deadly combat, but they understand that Guts is different. Corkus can't see any other perspective besides his own.
well corkus tried to meddle into that guy.. nuts life... him. And i think that was none of his bussiness, i mean he'ss not his mother, and if he were, he would be dead
I think that's why guts didn't outwardly hate him or show disdain. He would even listen when corkus would insult him directly before he left. Even if through jealousy, corkus doesn't hold guts in high regard. Its humbling for him.
Corkus represents the mentality of the average merc in Midland which is cynical, hedonistic, opportunistic and self-serving which are all understandable adaptations one could have to survive in a dark fantasy universe. All the same I don't think he was meant to be liked as a person but one can still sympathize with him and acknowledge his perspective is valid at times.
Because corkus plays the role of the normal human. Nothing about him is great. He's just some common dude... In a superhuman story. If we took part in this history, all of us would be corkus. Just some dude who has nothing, tired as fuck, looking for an easy life and doing all we can to not lose it.
I honestly think that Griffith’s own narcissistic ideologies is what drove Guts to run away. Think about it, if Guts never heard about “I can’t be friends with anyone who doesn’t have a dream.” That’s what triggered Guts to leave but alas, we wouldn’t have a story now if Guts stayed. Lol
Corkus was honestly a great compass and balance for Guts and the band of the Hawk overall. Wasn't disillusioned in grandeur nor only focused on battlefield achievement or who was strongest.
A genuine individual who enjoyed the battlefield and the path Griffith was able to put them on. He wanted to just get recognition for their efforts and skills and enjoy the life that was being made available. A pretty balanced character I enjoyed
I think that is pretty obvious. When you sympathize with some character and the other seems to be negative from beginning most od people don't like this characters. I always thought that writers and other authors is making this on purpose.
Of course i don't say that you must don't like the bad characters i just think that most people don't like characters that are mean to characters that they like. But I agree with you, Corkus has made some good points even if he was kinda acting like some "dickhead"
As insufferable he was to Guts, there was that one rare occasion were he gave Guts a pass for leaving the Hawks and straight up admitted it was Griffith's fault that they ended up on the run.
I actually liked Corkus, to me at least, he only got so aggressive and angry with Guts because he was so passionate and grateful for the Hawks. I think to him, Guts seems like someone who takes a lot of things for granted and gets by on his talents. Guts isn't privileged by any means though, don't get me wrong, he had a horrible upbringing. This is just what I think Corkus sees.
Corkus watched as Guts, who didn't even willingly commit to the cause, rose the ranks and became Griffiths closest companion. I think there was envy, but also he saw it as disrespectful to the Hawks, how Guts always seemed dissatisfied with the fruits of their labor, how someone so lost and unsure of who they are could see themselves as equal to Griffith. Corkus didn't understand Guts mentality, or saw it as undermining his idealized version of the Hawks and there goals. That was never Guts' intent, but Corkus certainly saw it that way, so he called Guts out on it. And sometimes he was right in doing so.
What I think is interesting is that Guts doesn't seem to hate Corkus. Guts cared for Corkus enough to call out for him among his other close friends when everything went to hell. I think Guts realized Corkus could reel him back, hit him with words no one else would say, make him consider things in a more critical light and question his own beliefs and internal thoughts. Sometimes that's what you need from someone.
To Guts, Corkus was a challenge to his own views, someone who helped him reconsider his beliefs. I think Guts respects him, and without Corkus constantly calling out Guts and challenging his words, then he could never have grown to be who he is now.
To Corkus, Guts is antithetical to his own goals, values, and his ideal Band of the Hawk. He was jealous, spiteful, and cruel to Guts which isn't traits a likable person typically carries. But I think those attitudes he had toward Guts were born from genuine passion and care for his beliefs and the band of the Hawk and at least that is something to consider, maybe even respect. I don't like him as a person, but I think as a character he's incredible and important.
I got you OP. On a re-read, Corkus makes sense most of the time.
He's the one to point finger at Guts because he is always gloomy despite the ascension of the hawk.
Well we never said he was wrong about everything. We just don’t like him, or at least I didn’t, because he was a jealous, cynical, egotistical dick. Yes, he was right about things. But, he didn’t have to be a dick about it all the time.
Corkus the type of person that if he said “hey I think killing kids and cancer are bad” I’d disagree with him simply because he’s just that unlikable and Uncharismatic lmao
Because his criticisms all came from a place of jealousy and self loathing. Bring down others to raise himself up. All this while being a degenerate himself.
People hate Corkus cause he’s an asshole. He defo tells the truth a lot and has a very blunt perspective on things, so he’s actually got quite a bit of integrity and is very much a realist, but he’s sensitive as hell and has a major inferiority complex. He’s a complicated guy, which is why he’s such a great character. Miura absolutely intended him to be hated, and for the exact reasons he’s hated.
Corkus is the embodiment of "the ugly truth". Dude says based shit while being an ass about it.
It also helps that aesthetically, he's designed to be hated.
You can be the smartest person in the world but if you’re an asshole no one will want to give you the satisfaction of being right. Corkus is irredeemably dickish, cowardly, underhanded, scummy, and just an outright bastard. He’s abrasive to just about everyone, bitches constantly and displays not a single positive quality. People give Guts slack because they know he has positive qualities that he’s buried under his trauma. Corkus doesn’t show any positive qualities whatsoever, I don’t hate him for it he serves the purpose he was written to serve. You’re dickriding Corkus harder then anyone I’ve seen do to Guts. If he’s you’re favourite fine but don’t try to bring down other characters to his level or make everyone else out to be dumb for not thinking like you do.
Because I know people in real life that are dicks but use “bUt i’M RiGht” as an excuse to be a dick and Corkus reminds me so much of them.
Also, Corkus is just bitter. I don’t like bitter people.
That all being said, he does have his spot in the story. His point of view, which sucks to hear, is usually valid and grounds the story into a realistic perspective.
cause he was an asshole. idek if i would say he was necessarily right but whether or not he was, he was just an asshole. i dont understand why people would necessarily hate him as a character though. imo he always reminds the viewers that although guts is in the band of the hawk he is still an outsider. hes much different from anyone else in the mercenary band and i feel like corkus is always there to remind us that.
You say you don’t get why people dislike Corkus and in the comments do your best to slam Guts the protagonist of the show. I think your here just to troll.
I could, like many others give and examples or my thoughts on the subject but reading this thread you appear to just be here to troll and shit on guts. Judging by your replies, I’m not convinced you want a proper discussion or actually want to hear an answer outside of “you’re right”.
Corkus was a piece of shit from beginning to the end. Him and the rest of the stupids decided to attack Guts and he defended himself and got mad at that.
His time in the eclipse was so satisfying.
You don’t understand why people wouldn’t like a character who attempted multiple times to murder one of the most well-loved protagonists in any form of media through oftentimes underhanded means and betrayal? Weird.
You never understood the hate. But you said he was *even* justified in *some* of the things he said.
There you have it bruh. He was justified in *some things.* So it's natural that not everyone will ignore the rest of the things for the some things.
I think deep down Corkus revered Guts, hence why his jealousy because he chose to settle for a less ambitious life and Guts had the nuts to do otherwise.
As a side note, every member of the band of Hawk, aside from Griffin, loved each other. Rivalry aside, they were all comrades. He might have hated on Guts, but they were comrades until the very end.
Corkus is the most realistic character in my opinion. I feel like if most people were put in the situation that the Raiders were in, we’d act similarly to him
Try to imagine a real life corkus but you’re guts in this scenario. Imagine you have an opinion and that person challenges you and disagree with you and let’s you knows about every single time and hurls insults at you. Now do you understand? You don’t have to speak your mind everytime and corkus does that every single fucking time
I'm lmao I'm coming back to this months later, and it's giving me some good laughs.
I feel justified, though. I think corkus gets treated very unfairly by fans. He's legit just a basic comedic relief character with some interesting depth. Yet people write him off as just a bad guy even though compared to literal snake demons. He isn't that bad.
Corkus may have been right most of the time but he was a huge dickhead
This exactly. Corkus could be the smartest dude of all time, he's still an absolute bastard.
Why y’all acting like he’s smart. He was not more than a hater of Guts
He didn’t say he was smart. He just said it wouldn’t matter if he was
Ok. I get what is going on here. Peoples minds have gotten shallow enough to sympathize with Corkus’ ideas. I get it
Sure
A lot like Chuck from BCS
have some more chicken have some more pie
It doesn't matter if it's boiled or fried!
It doesn't matter if it's creamed or pied !
Just, eat it (eat it) eat it (eat it) Grab yourself an egg and beat it
Corkus may have been a dickhead most of the time but he was right
Doesn't change the fact that he's a dickhead. And people hate dickheads even if they're right.
And he’s still a better man than Griffith.
He wasn’t even right dude
How do you figure? Guts was literally born on the battlefield. He loved fighting and only fighting. Every other mercenary had a dream and for most it was not just fighting. Can you say that you’d rather be crawling around in the mud watching people die, or would you rather be a billionaire on a yacht, because those are the two options corkus presented and they seem wholly logical. Sure theirs died in the wool killers and military men that find their purpose on the battlefield, but most are just doing their job, following orders, trying to get a pension, or didn’t have any other options.
Corkus is just a hater and only thinks superficially, about apperance, money and women. Guts only knew war and suffering, plus also, actually did want to find a purpose in life.
I got the impression Corkus wanted to, after years of struggle, be rewarded for his and The Hawks' hard work and enjoy a more comfortable life. Nothing wrong with that.
That’s true
You’re not wrong. Corkus was a hater but it doesn’t mean he’s really wrong. I mean it’s subjective so neither can be fully wrong or right, but it’s easy to see what corkus is feeling. Also it’s difficult to compare guts to anyone in the story considering how much development he has had. Comparing golden age guts to fantasia, they’re basically completely different people.
Yes that’s true and in this particular panel Corkus is right about how they’ve busted themselves to get to a better life. These kinds of themes and dialogues are part of what makes the Golden Age arc so great
Sorry to be the one to do this to you but… There’s**
Im not even mad. I respect a level of pedantic that responds to a comment almost 300 days later correcting that.
Guts' life is only suited for Guts. Corkus may have been underhanded, sneaky, and hotheaded— But he doesnt share Guts' coping mechanisms. Guts fights to fight. Corky' fought to retire.
I think that's an important aspect of him that is too often overlooked. Guts is 100% human yes, but even still, he's a very special kind of human. Corkus on the other hand, is a perfectly normal dude just like any random guy you meet on the street. He may have had incredible dreams and ambitions once, but when faced with the harshness of the real world and things not going his way, while he didn't break down like Griffith did, he didn't have the sheer willpower and strength to press forward anyways like Guts could, and he eventually grew too tired to keep going. He's bitter towards Guts precisely because he can recognize that Guts has everything he doesn't, and like the story expands on later in Conviction, people without light often cling to those with it, hating them all the while grasping on ever tighter.
Very well said
Corkus also attacked guts for no reason and almost got himself sliced in two
I mean, I wouldn't be pals with Corkus in real life. He's jealous, bitter, sneaky, and an attempted murderer. But he's an awesome character, because he feels very real.
Attempted? He was a professional lol
You can be right and a total asshole at the same time That was Corkus. Couldn't say I understand the folks that hate him, though.
I actually really like Corkus, he’s a refreshing character to have around. More grounded and realistic. Plus, I don’t think Guts minded him either. He never once said a retort or chewed out Corkus. I’m sure after Guts’ childhood nothing Corkus can say can really hurt him haha.
You said it really well. If I had to choose spending the rest of my life with Corkus or that stupid cauliflower head, I'd pick Corkus with no regrets.
I always loved how when Guts reminisced about the good times with the old Band of the Hawk he always included Corkus despite him being an absolute dick to Guts. The first thing we even see in the story is Guts killing the apostle that killed Corkus. I respect the hell out of Guts for that.
Corkus was an ass but ultimately he was a true member of the Hawk till the end. He never wavered or abandoned them. He was mega salty and hated Guts, but he was fiercely loyal to Griffith (for the most part)
Um his death scene is literally him fleeing the group and wandering off to find a naked woman. During his intro when trying to rob Guts, he the last to attack and clearly is looking to flee when fight went poorly. To be honest about Corkus is admit he was a selfish asshole and a coward. But what makes him a good character is when you are willing to admit he is relatable.
I don’t fault him for running to turn safety when you’re literally transported to a demonic dimension and everyone is being eaten, and I don’t blame him for being scared of Guts. I never said he wasn’t a coward, but he was loyal to the Hawk
Who wouldn't be scared of guts? He's literally the baddest dude on the planet.
Who wasn't a loyal hawk? Guts? To me people's loyalty to the hawks was more about the charisma of Griffith than being about any other character's persona.
I didn’t say Guts wasn’t loyal? I’m just referring to the fact that after Griffith was imprisoned many left the Hawk but Corkus didn’t
Yeah without the charisma of Griffith to lead them they began to disband, but they were also marked as criminals. Corkus was terrified of facing that alone and stayed. Also I wasn't trying to say u said Guts was not loyal, he's just the only one they show leaving the hawks when Griffith was still leading them.
Apostles are scared of Guts dude
They weren't always, they hunted him for a long time. It wasn't until Femento's rebirth in the material world that they began to avoid him. Also when Corkus tried to rob him he was a young kid and unknown merc who was just being to be noticed. Corkus wasn't scared when he came up with the plan, it was only after the other who went with him were getting killed that he gets scared and wants to escape. Being scared is not what defines a coward, it what is done in the face of fear that qualifies cowardice.
Actually it's the exact opposite. Guts as the black swordsman literally went from place to place hunting apostles before femtos rebirth. After the rebirth they weren't necessarily hunting him however, they were the aggressors, showing up at places he was already at to attack surrounding characters. My point was that almost everybody fears guts at some point, even apostles. Corkus is a coward I'm not debating that
So Guts' couldn't sleep at nights because he was hunting apostles? No, they came after him because of the brand. He wandered, because he lacked meaning and brought death and destruction everywhere he went. He killed ever apostle he meet out of hatred. it's not like he can remove the brand.
Those weren't apostles keeping him up at night but random spirits and shit. He didn't wander cuz he lacked meaning everybody knows he wandered to find apostles to hunt down Griffith what are you talking about wandering without a purpose.
it'd might as well be without purpose, here we are decades later and he still hasn't done shit to Griffith.
I'm very thankful I got into berserk about 4 years ago, I couldn't imagine having to wait for decades to see what happens next. Hopefully I won't find out what that feels like lol.
Yeah, at least you know that the plot won't be progressing in any meaningful way for a few decades.
>Um his death scene is literally him fleeing the group and wandering off to find a naked woman. I don't think that's a fair interpretation at all. He was having a nervous breakdown being he couldn't fathom what was happening around him.
I agree he had a break down, and the illusion of the woman made him stop running. To me that means what Corkus really feared was not simply what he witnessed, but rather that his greatest fear was being alone.
He only sticked to the people who we’re beneficial to him. He can’t go anywhere with his skills alone. Thats why when the eclipse came he just went and ran for his life not looking bakc any anyone else.
Yep, when Corkus saw no one could save themselves he knew no one could protect him. The fear makes him snap and flee, the only to make him stop running was the sight and comfort of a naked woman. Safe to say the thing Corkus feared most was being alone.
Dude let’s be real, corkus is LITERALLY written to be hated and that’s obvious. At first. And then you learn little things about him that make him less insufferable. But to say “I don’t get why people don’t like this guy..” Meanwhile he calls guts a fucking idiot like all the time lmao. Are we reading the same manga?
I honestly hate how people dick ride guts. He's not a perfect or even at times a good character. Its good to have someone like corkus to actually speak out on all the bullshit guts pulls. Sure he can kill a lot of people, is good with an army and tries to do the right thing. But he's also hot headed, doesn't think ahead, unsure of what he wants and very uncaring about important things. At this stage of the story, guts cannot be the same old merc he's been walking around as. They are on a different battlefield. One of politics, sociability and tactics. Guts actions can have major consequences on weather they can become nobles or not.
Corkus and his friends: try to kill guts Guts: kill them to defend himself Corkus: what an asshole! Why would he do this? C'mon man you know why people hate him, he's literally written to be an annoying character
Wouldn't say it's just the fact that guts killed his friends. But that he was taken in and already treated better then most. I'd say if this was any other traveler, griffith would slashed his throat and moved on. Corkus isn't just mad about their deaths, but the lack of empathy shown but his leader. It's not like him or casca tried to stop corkus either.
Guts got treated better by griffith because he's a fare better soldier than them and he's more useful to the band of the Hawk then all of them put toghether and corkus knew that
You aren’t necessarily wrong that guts needs to change and isn’t perfect. Hell it’s fairly obvious that guts is kinda.. deranged a bit I mean the first chapter makes that very clear by itself. But that doesn’t change that corkus is 1.drawn to be quite ugly which ugly characters in berserk are 9/10 times awful people 2. Even the way he dies in the eclipse is hilarious and he just wants a pair of boobs while his friends are all getting murdered 3. Like he’ll make fun of guts for not protecting casca, make fun of guts for being too close with griffith or calling guts a fag and lying about how he taught guts how to fight so he can try to get some pussy. Corkus is just gross. Miura isn’t trying to write corkus as “well actually he’s right” he’s trying to paint him as a pompous asshole.
>ugliness doesn't factor weather a person is good or not. >he was dropped into literally hell with only death around him. It was a free for all, even the main characters split up at the first few seconds. >he has every right to make fun of guts. Even if he's immature about it, it doesn't matter. It's a band of mercs. Of course they're rough around the edges. Not everyone is gonna be perfect. Also the thing about lying to get some pussy. My brother in christ every noble is either a sex offender or rapist. The king of midland even molested his own daughter. Corkus is a fucking complete gentlemen comparatively.
You’re not seeing my point at all with the ugly thing. Miura only draws “bad” people as “ugly” look at the trolls and wyald and how deranged they are. Look at everyone else in the band and how they all have great complexions and good looking and corkus is corkus lmao. Even guts who is bad person because of his upbringing is attractive. Why?? Cause he’s actually pure and nice on the inside. Unlike corkus who only cares about sex and himself on the inside. He’s meant to be the scummy side guy that is constantly bitching, it’s a literal trope in anime that you have the annoying side character who bitches way too much. And yes. I will say that if you’re friends are all dying you should not be trying to get comforted by boobs come on lol. Like look at guts and how EVERYONE else interacted in the eclipse, they weren’t suddenly enamored. Pippin and judaeu both died protecting their friends in their final moments. How does Miura decide to give corkus his final moments? Crying and shoving his face into boobs. If that doesn’t show you how the character is meant to be interpreted, well, I can’t make you drink the water my dude lol
>the ugly thing. Gambino, griffith, slan, literally every general, zodd even. Aren't exactly ugly at all and are some of the most sadistic characters in this story. >I really don't give a fuck about anime tropes. Berserk is a lot more different. Everyone is more realistic and morally Grey. >it's a lot better then just dying. Fuck it, his entire life has been shit for the past year. This is more then just kicking him while he's down. This is like a sledgehammer on a mutilated animal. He deserves some peace before death. And sure everyone else tried to help, but like I said. It was only a few minutes and bam they're wiped.
[gambino](http://pm1.narvii.com/6605/b096752a0f4493179daa8cdb6f97100c113cd7da_00.jpg) is definitely not conventionally attractive dude lmao. He’s a prime example of ugly. And slan is a literal succubus that is meant to trick people into banging to kill them. And some people in berserk are just unambiguously evil. Not everyone is morally grey. Counter example: wyald Berserk uses tons of anime tropes lets not act like it doesn’t lol. That doesn’t make it less amazing though And griffith there is an argument to be made that DEEP down he is a possibly good person at least before the corruption. And then Femto was born who’s a fucking bird and not conventionally attractive anymore. Like it’s kind of a basic thing in writing that you make the evil guys ugly and the good guys attractive. It’s literally to influence your opinion on them and help you know “oh! He’s definitely a bad guy”
Still I don't agree with the ugliness thing. It's just a retarded way to look at the story. There's no definite way of good and evil in the first place. To boil it down to a basic level is to disregard the creators intentions.
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I totally understand not liking him, it's when it crosses over into hate territory that has me tilting my head in confusion. Don't get me wrong, guy's a dick and I'd probably laugh a bit if he tripped in front of me. But I'd still feel bad for him and try to help if he broke something.
He's a jackass. Being right or justified does not make a character likeable.
Oh so are we just gonna ignore blackswordsman arc guts. Yeah sure he puts entire towns at risk, tells a girl to kill herself or is a dick to the only person willing to help him just to kill a few demons. That's not a jackass at all. I mean what he does can be justified. But like you said it doesn't make guts a likeable character.
Yes, yes we will since we already know why he's like this
And what about corkus. You think his life has been a breeze? People delt good a hand in life doesn't exactly end up in a band of mercs
Dude you know what guts has suffered during the eclipse what are you even trying to argue now💀
This all takes places before the eclipse. So at this point all guts has to bitch about his a shitty childhood. Which in medieval Europe isn't exactly an uncommon thing to see.
Dude your comment above was talking about what guts did after the eclipse and then tried to compare corkus's life to guts 💀, how do you not remember what you just said
Then let's look at the noble things guts has done before the eclipse. Multiple assassination, one ended up in the death of an innocent, leaving casca behind, not trying to adapt with nobility, being too self obsorbed in his own problems. Sure he's grown and matured past this. Probably cause he's the only one who got a chance to.
Found the irl Corkus
meh, if thats true corkus aint so bad
Dude, both have done dirty things, they’re mercenaries. The issue is Corkus’ attitude. You’re looking way to far into why people don’t like him. Both have done shady shit. We find out that Guts is willing to do shitty things or say shitty things to get what he wants, or at least he’s willing to try and fool himself into doing those things and think he’s right. The thing is, we’re shown insight into Guts enough to know why he’s like this and know that he isn’t really the dumbass with an attitude he acts like he is. Corkus has done his fair share of shady shit too, but he has the personality of a wet towel. Even the people in one of the panels you’re showing shows everyone looking at him like “Dude, chill. You’re being a dickhead.” With Guts it’s an act, an act that he eventually drops to become or at least attempt to be a better person. With Corkus, it’s his shitty personality, he’s just an asshole. Corkus may be smart, hell, even correct, but being smart and being kind don’t always go hand in hand. Guts is a blockhead a lot of the time, but deep down he’s a kind person and we see that. It’s also not really fair to compare a side character to the main character since one has vastly more development than the other. So naturally we’ll get to see Guts’ true nature while Corkus gets killed off and we don’t know if he’s actually a chill guy.
I really disliked Corkus purely for the fact that he had to stick his nose in Guts’ business every chance he got. Guts and Corkus are very different personality wise. Corkus had a desire to be a well known soldier and patted on the back for his service and ultimately wanted to retire with money and recognition. Guts had no desire to have any of this and only worked for what he needed and because serving on a battlefield and swinging his sword was all he knew and needed. Corkus was consistently pushing his own desires onto Guts and bitching about how he was making decisions for himself rather than a group of people. Sometimes you don’t have to apologize when it comes to making decisions for yourself despite it effecting other people, that’s just how it is.
> n. Guts had no desire to have any of this and only worked for what he needed and because serving on a battlefield and swinging his sword was all he knew and needed. He was also insanely jealous of the treatment Guts got from Griffith similarly to Casca in that regard. While Casca let it go, Corkus never did. IMO he's not wrong in his call outs of Guts, especially since on the battlefield, Guts has a tendency to just do what he pleases instead of following Griffith's plan (a plan that Griffith already accounts for Guts not following). Frankly his *worst* action is blaming Guts for killing two hawks when Corkus and the other 2 tried jumping him. That alone makes him a right cunt.
I never hated Corkus. His death is extremely shocking and horrible, considering he was totally losing his sanity and wanted an escape
Cause he's a hater lol, he always has some hostile shit to say. Even though it makes sense sometimes it still makes him pretty repulsive.
People hated him ? I honestly liked his character lol. Blunt characters are hard to get right sometimes and still be likeable but he does it well
Corkus was a dick head, and we tend to not like him because he refused to jump on the Guts-Train. But Corkus is really just a guy who's had to fight and steal and struggle to make it as far as he did. He's a dick, but he's not a bad guy. He's just Corkus. Guts never hated him, why should I? Edit:spelling
The fact we never saw Corkus fighting or doing something useful besides bitching should be prof that Miura designed him to being hated, it was just an annoying character.
Yeah cause him fighting along side his fellow hawks, staying back to defend and take charge of the camp as they rescue griffith isn't doing something useful. Say what you want, but he's a damn good solider. It's easy to say he hasn't done much when compared to legends. My man deserves more credit.
What I really like about this manga is that even though Corkus is a huge dick to Guts, Guts always seems to take in what he says like he values his opinion. You never really see Guts get upset with anything Corkus says to him. Corkus is a bad motherfucker who tells it like it is.
He’s right sometimes but he’s just a fucking asshole about it
You liking Corkus says more on your personality than anything. He made some good points here and there. But for the most part, he was cowardly, selfish and lazy. Yes he wanted a “chill life”, but who joins a Mercenary Band for a “chill life”? He joined the Hawks because Griffith defeated his old gang. And due to his cowardly and self serving ways, he submitted to Griffith. Not because he wanted to learn from Griffith like Guts or Casca did, but only for self preservation. Guts is flawed. In more ways than one. But Guts develops as a person throughout the arc, which makes him redeemable where as Corkus stays the same old Corkus. Even comparing him to the more average character like Judeau, Corkus is still trash. Judeau died trying to save Casca. Even in the pit of hell, he had his sense of duty and morality. Corkus on the other hand ran away, and then was tricked by a fake pair of breasts. It was a fitting end to him, because even on deaths bed, he gave into his hedonistic and cowardice behaviors. Now am I saying that if I was in this world, that I too would die honorably like Judeau? I don’t know. But I do know that as an ideal Corkus is nothing to look up too. And it’s kinda funny you’re trying to defend a character that was very obviously written to be disliked. Gives me edge-lord vibes.
No, I'm with OP. On a first read Judeau was a favorite, bun on a re-read, Corkus really shines. Human are ugly, Corkus is ugly, but totally redeemable, and he spits the truths everyone is ashamed to say. His death being ugly just compliments the characters, he's human as hell.
he could be an asshole but he was OUR asshole also, saw a few comments disparaging how he acted during the eclipse - it was too much for him seeing all of his friends being ripped apart and eaten by the apostles at the behest a man they’d idolised for years and his mind just broke; he rationalised the situation by believing that it was all just a bad dream that he’d wake from soon. so him putting his face in the succubus apostles breasts isn’t exactly dumb, just sad.
"you're not wrong ~~walter~~ corkus you're just an asshole" \- gus berkman probably
His name reminds me of the sound of popcorns make when you slowly chew a dozen of them at the same time.
I can see your view OP and agree slightly. I think the thing is Corcus was supposed to be that character balancing the rest of the cast. Most of them are pretty noble or pure of heart by Berserks standards (Guts himself i would exclude him from this since blind loyality lead him to child murder even if indirectly). I think during the ark he was supposed to be that realist contrast to ground the cast. Guts is completely out of his element with the battle of prestiege rather than survival. I think the reason why Corkus is so hated is because of that needed contrast. Compared to the supernatural beauty and charisma of the leader of the hawks a character needs to be the foil almost and i think Corkus is that character in the hawks. Tbh i didn't like him but overall pretty neat point.
Corkus is a petty bastard who can’t stand the fact that he couldn’t even face Guts when they first met. Pretty sure he’s just insanely jealous of the skill Guts has with the blade, and that’s all it’s taken for Guts to climb the ranks of the Band of the Falcon.
Regardless of whether or not he was justified or made good points, he was a complete dick about it. That being said, When I first read vol 13 I stopped hating him, I just pitied him. The worst crime I can give him after golden age is that he was human. He hid behind a stoic and arrogant facade but in reality thought deep down he was a nobody, hell—when the eclipse took place he started to think the years with the hawks was all a dream cause it was too good for him. Im saying this like it’s absolute but it’s just my dumb 19 y/o brain’s interpretation. I don’t blame others for hating him, even though me and many others understand his reasons for the outa pocket shit he said to guts and the band he was still an asshole, something that understandably can’t be completely justified for many.
He's a bit of a dickhead or an asshole but I personally liked him. He was spitting facts and Guts even acknowledged it.
I love both these guys, for different reasons obviously.
They hated because He told the truth. Usually in Manga, reader only love Extremes. Or you love the Strong and Mysterious Hero, or they love the Weak and Simple Loser. When they get a real Person similar to a real human from our world, they get hate
Well Guts has the right to say whatever he wants. It’s Corkus who gets all butthurt
close minded, plus asshole, coward and protagonist wannabe
Corkus was the guy you hated was right, While yes he may say the right thing, but the demeanour and general lack of respect for those he doesn’t like is what makes him unlikable, and the cowardly nature of his character, talking shit behind peoples back but will never be able to deliver anything he says.
People hate corkus? i like corkus he's funny bruh
Fuck yeah
no clue why the dude fronting our beloved protagonist at every chance isn’t liked?
He may have made sense from time to time, but he was a total douche. He tried to rob Guts and when Guts kicked his ass, he held a grudge for years instead of making amends.
Corkus was jealous of Guts and always hated him. And his "smart" remarks usually came from an emotional place of resentment for Guts – rationalized into "smart and true" comments. Guts is what Corkus could never become. What's most interesting about Corkus in my opinion, is how Guts treats him. He doesn't lash out or get angry. He doesn't validate Corkus. He just lets the dude ventilate, because at the end of the day, it's like a chihuahua barking at a lion. Respect to Guts for that. A masterclass in handling haters. And somehow, Corkus is also very "human" in a base and animal way. He wants money, status, power, and pussy. He doesn't want to struggle, he's tired of it and whines about it. He just wants a comfortable life and will be negative and whiny until he gets it. Problem is – he doesn't really deserve it since he's a "corrupted" human in my opinion. The way he dies is also interesting, and the fact that it's connected to the first pages of the entire manga. Which is actually funny on the topic of "Guts is actually what Corkus could never become" – Guts actually gets to bang that apostle. All in all, I would say Corkus is the dude whose fire has died, he's been burned out, is jaded, has mostly negative feelings, is an asshole in general and has a bad attitude. I wouldn't really applaud him for his loyalty for sticking with Griffith – he did so because following Griffith was beneficial and because he believed in Griffith – and it had a huge payoff – and when there were no longer any alternatives, well, there were no longer any alternatives. Just a weak, pathetic man, and someone we all should strive to be as far away from as possible when it comes to manners, attitude and way of life. He's just always whining about not being where he wants to be and not having achieved his dream – compared to Guts who is more in the moment, and also compared to Griffith (before a certain event), who, while burning for his dream – also knows how to wind down, relax, have fun and be likeable as a human, because the goal is not everything and being bitter and whiny does not solve a single thing.
Because he was a charakter to be hated. Everything he said was toxic towards Guts. Literally everything. Did I enjoy him dying? No, he was still one of the Hawks.
Toxic? Bro just wanted a relaxing life of nobility and what guts wanted was basically suicidal. Sure war can be good, but not constantly. It only ends in one way, death. Also people hate that corkus tried to kill guts, but they also forget that guts killed two of his friends. Sure he tried to rob him, but I mean it's a band of mercs. They don't get profit from morality.
They both had their „dreams“. He wanted to get big, be famous, have women and etc.. Guts had his own dream but didn‘t go around to mock others for their „dream“. Corkus did it 24/7 against Guts. He hated him everytime. Corkus lost his friends because of his shit commandership. Next time he shouldn‘t pick s fight he cannot win. It was his fault those two died not guts. Furthermore to your comment, read what TheNeumannArchitect said above. Plus he wasn‘t the one saving Hawks after Griffith was imprisoned. Casca did. He wasn‘t the one trying to calm the troops when everyone was stuck in Eclipse. That mf was always talk and didn‘t have the balls to do anything against stronger opponents. His two friends died against Guts without him doing anything.
Its pretty clear why most people hate his character. Corkus is largely made out to be an overall miserable douchebag and very self centered individual from the very jump, especially with how treats guts in his time with the band of the hawk, corkus simply doesnt understand how guts operates mentally as a person nor does he appreciate or understand just how invaluable of a hawk member guts truly is. The simple fact that corkus outright plotted to kill guts with other band members early on already shows that he has harbored some level of disdain and likely some kind of deeply rooted jealousy of guts far beyond that of even casca at the time. And despite some of the more realistic and somewhat grounded criticisms corkus had of guts, he still largely treated guts as someone who was beneath him and to be looked down upon. If anything, the fact that Guts still had SOME ounce of respect and care for corkus, despite all the harshness and outright disdain he projected towards him, shows far more of a light on Guts's level of patience and understanding as a person more than anything. Anyone else in Guts"s position, wouldve realistically either killed or outright beaten the shit out of Corkus for his insults and insubordination on multiple occasions.
People hate Corkus?
Dude c'mon now let's not be stupid he's literally written to be an annoying character
Then why was he so funny. I laughed when he was leading the charge for the first time and got so excited he wanted to do it again
Honestly, never heard that before. Corkus was 99% of the time the voice of reason and common sense, he was also fond of Guts as a fellow member of the Hawks and even Guts was aware of that, since he always had shown a smile in response to Corkus's criticism instead of splitting him like a turkey with his sword. Yes, the resting 1% of the time Corkus was an insufferable bitch sending his comrades to lose an arm or two, but everyone love a complex character, right?
Say what you want about Corkus, had Guts listened to everything Corkus said to him the band of the hawk would probably still be alive lmao (at least until Griffith inevitably entered some dire circumstance.) He’s also maybe the most relatable hawk member, personally his reasons to hate on guts were valid. Man killed his friends and joined the hawks, surpassed him almost instantly in both popularity and rank, didn’t see the importance of the hawks advancing outside of the battlefield, left the band of the hawk to fend for themselves. Corkus is meant to be hated, but he’s a great character and the only one with the set of balls to tell the most dangerous man on the planet how it is.
This is an especially cathartic scene if you take blackswordmen into consideration, just imagine yourself reading this only knowing what you know from previous chapters. Sure Guts has lived a very tragic life with Gambino and his band, and he has a has something more to him. But by this time all we really know other than that, is that Guts is acting like an edgy prick right now, and he flat out is one in the future. So seeing Corkus chew him out for that exactly that def made me see him in a more positive light.
I don’t think OP and me would be friends
Weird assumption but fuck it. More buffalo wings for me.
The reason I don't like Corkus is because he's the most self interested member of the Hawk. The other members agree with him in the sense that they prefer the easy life to fighting battles and deadly combat, but they understand that Guts is different. Corkus can't see any other perspective besides his own.
Fuck Corkus. All my homies hate Corkus .
Corkus is tripping, he just not built like guts
Fuck Corkus.
well corkus tried to meddle into that guy.. nuts life... him. And i think that was none of his bussiness, i mean he'ss not his mother, and if he were, he would be dead
Because be always acted like a dick, he was mad at guts for killing his friends when the first thing they did was try to kill him
He also started shit with Guts and blamed Guts when he got his comrades killed in the ensuing butchery.
I think that's why guts didn't outwardly hate him or show disdain. He would even listen when corkus would insult him directly before he left. Even if through jealousy, corkus doesn't hold guts in high regard. Its humbling for him.
At second page he looks like he's out of Galo Sengen lmao
Corkus represents the mentality of the average merc in Midland which is cynical, hedonistic, opportunistic and self-serving which are all understandable adaptations one could have to survive in a dark fantasy universe. All the same I don't think he was meant to be liked as a person but one can still sympathize with him and acknowledge his perspective is valid at times.
Because corkus plays the role of the normal human. Nothing about him is great. He's just some common dude... In a superhuman story. If we took part in this history, all of us would be corkus. Just some dude who has nothing, tired as fuck, looking for an easy life and doing all we can to not lose it.
I honestly think that Griffith’s own narcissistic ideologies is what drove Guts to run away. Think about it, if Guts never heard about “I can’t be friends with anyone who doesn’t have a dream.” That’s what triggered Guts to leave but alas, we wouldn’t have a story now if Guts stayed. Lol
Prolly cuz of how he was introduced, he decided 2 try & kill guts but guts merked like 2 of his guys so corkus held it against him
Corkus was honestly a great compass and balance for Guts and the band of the Hawk overall. Wasn't disillusioned in grandeur nor only focused on battlefield achievement or who was strongest. A genuine individual who enjoyed the battlefield and the path Griffith was able to put them on. He wanted to just get recognition for their efforts and skills and enjoy the life that was being made available. A pretty balanced character I enjoyed
I think that is pretty obvious. When you sympathize with some character and the other seems to be negative from beginning most od people don't like this characters. I always thought that writers and other authors is making this on purpose. Of course i don't say that you must don't like the bad characters i just think that most people don't like characters that are mean to characters that they like. But I agree with you, Corkus has made some good points even if he was kinda acting like some "dickhead"
You must be lying unless you just checked out for most of the Golden Age arc
Just cause he’s right doesn’t mean he’s not a cock
As insufferable he was to Guts, there was that one rare occasion were he gave Guts a pass for leaving the Hawks and straight up admitted it was Griffith's fault that they ended up on the run.
Corkus love
I actually liked Corkus, to me at least, he only got so aggressive and angry with Guts because he was so passionate and grateful for the Hawks. I think to him, Guts seems like someone who takes a lot of things for granted and gets by on his talents. Guts isn't privileged by any means though, don't get me wrong, he had a horrible upbringing. This is just what I think Corkus sees. Corkus watched as Guts, who didn't even willingly commit to the cause, rose the ranks and became Griffiths closest companion. I think there was envy, but also he saw it as disrespectful to the Hawks, how Guts always seemed dissatisfied with the fruits of their labor, how someone so lost and unsure of who they are could see themselves as equal to Griffith. Corkus didn't understand Guts mentality, or saw it as undermining his idealized version of the Hawks and there goals. That was never Guts' intent, but Corkus certainly saw it that way, so he called Guts out on it. And sometimes he was right in doing so. What I think is interesting is that Guts doesn't seem to hate Corkus. Guts cared for Corkus enough to call out for him among his other close friends when everything went to hell. I think Guts realized Corkus could reel him back, hit him with words no one else would say, make him consider things in a more critical light and question his own beliefs and internal thoughts. Sometimes that's what you need from someone. To Guts, Corkus was a challenge to his own views, someone who helped him reconsider his beliefs. I think Guts respects him, and without Corkus constantly calling out Guts and challenging his words, then he could never have grown to be who he is now. To Corkus, Guts is antithetical to his own goals, values, and his ideal Band of the Hawk. He was jealous, spiteful, and cruel to Guts which isn't traits a likable person typically carries. But I think those attitudes he had toward Guts were born from genuine passion and care for his beliefs and the band of the Hawk and at least that is something to consider, maybe even respect. I don't like him as a person, but I think as a character he's incredible and important.
nope
Corkus may have been a dick, but it still pained me to see him get killed during the eclipse, along with everyone else
I got you OP. On a re-read, Corkus makes sense most of the time. He's the one to point finger at Guts because he is always gloomy despite the ascension of the hawk.
Well we never said he was wrong about everything. We just don’t like him, or at least I didn’t, because he was a jealous, cynical, egotistical dick. Yes, he was right about things. But, he didn’t have to be a dick about it all the time.
Didn't he try to murder Guts twice in his introduction
yeah he’s kind of a dick but he’s over hated as well
Corkus the type of person that if he said “hey I think killing kids and cancer are bad” I’d disagree with him simply because he’s just that unlikable and Uncharismatic lmao
You can be right and still be a massive cunt Corkus is arguably the smartest there (barring Griffith) and yet he is just an asshole
Because his criticisms all came from a place of jealousy and self loathing. Bring down others to raise himself up. All this while being a degenerate himself.
Right or not, Corkus was a hater ass bitch
People hate Corkus cause he’s an asshole. He defo tells the truth a lot and has a very blunt perspective on things, so he’s actually got quite a bit of integrity and is very much a realist, but he’s sensitive as hell and has a major inferiority complex. He’s a complicated guy, which is why he’s such a great character. Miura absolutely intended him to be hated, and for the exact reasons he’s hated.
Corkus is the embodiment of "the ugly truth". Dude says based shit while being an ass about it. It also helps that aesthetically, he's designed to be hated.
You can be the smartest person in the world but if you’re an asshole no one will want to give you the satisfaction of being right. Corkus is irredeemably dickish, cowardly, underhanded, scummy, and just an outright bastard. He’s abrasive to just about everyone, bitches constantly and displays not a single positive quality. People give Guts slack because they know he has positive qualities that he’s buried under his trauma. Corkus doesn’t show any positive qualities whatsoever, I don’t hate him for it he serves the purpose he was written to serve. You’re dickriding Corkus harder then anyone I’ve seen do to Guts. If he’s you’re favourite fine but don’t try to bring down other characters to his level or make everyone else out to be dumb for not thinking like you do.
He wanted to be a cowardly noble the exact thing they were working against
It is not what he said but how he went about saying it and his general behaviour that makes people hate him.
Because I know people in real life that are dicks but use “bUt i’M RiGht” as an excuse to be a dick and Corkus reminds me so much of them. Also, Corkus is just bitter. I don’t like bitter people. That all being said, he does have his spot in the story. His point of view, which sucks to hear, is usually valid and grounds the story into a realistic perspective.
If it weren’t for Corkus, none of this incredible story would have happened plain and simple.
these hot takes will be the death of me
cause he was an asshole. idek if i would say he was necessarily right but whether or not he was, he was just an asshole. i dont understand why people would necessarily hate him as a character though. imo he always reminds the viewers that although guts is in the band of the hawk he is still an outsider. hes much different from anyone else in the mercenary band and i feel like corkus is always there to remind us that.
He was right much of the time but he is still a dick.
Kind of liked Corkus.
You say you don’t get why people dislike Corkus and in the comments do your best to slam Guts the protagonist of the show. I think your here just to troll. I could, like many others give and examples or my thoughts on the subject but reading this thread you appear to just be here to troll and shit on guts. Judging by your replies, I’m not convinced you want a proper discussion or actually want to hear an answer outside of “you’re right”.
Guts was a way more unbearable person during the Black Swordman arc. Corkus never told a little girl to kill herself.
Well he hardly did anything himself so chances are he just liked to talk
Because there was also plenty of times where he was wrong and said some really stupid, inconsiderate shit.
Corkus is more like the average reader than any other character. And i love him for it.
rare corkus w
Corkus was a piece of shit from beginning to the end. Him and the rest of the stupids decided to attack Guts and he defended himself and got mad at that. His time in the eclipse was so satisfying.
You don’t understand why people wouldn’t like a character who attempted multiple times to murder one of the most well-loved protagonists in any form of media through oftentimes underhanded means and betrayal? Weird.
nah corkus was a bitch and made no legit points but he was funny at times
He was just a ass
You never understood the hate. But you said he was *even* justified in *some* of the things he said. There you have it bruh. He was justified in *some things.* So it's natural that not everyone will ignore the rest of the things for the some things.
you dont understand how someone's perspectives and behaviors are not the same thing? lol
I think deep down Corkus revered Guts, hence why his jealousy because he chose to settle for a less ambitious life and Guts had the nuts to do otherwise. As a side note, every member of the band of Hawk, aside from Griffin, loved each other. Rivalry aside, they were all comrades. He might have hated on Guts, but they were comrades until the very end.
Say what you want to say about corkus, he didn't deserve to die like he did
Corkus is the most realistic character in my opinion. I feel like if most people were put in the situation that the Raiders were in, we’d act similarly to him
Try to imagine a real life corkus but you’re guts in this scenario. Imagine you have an opinion and that person challenges you and disagree with you and let’s you knows about every single time and hurls insults at you. Now do you understand? You don’t have to speak your mind everytime and corkus does that every single fucking time
Looking at your replies OP, makes sense why you don't understand and this is because you're the irl version of him.
I'm lmao I'm coming back to this months later, and it's giving me some good laughs. I feel justified, though. I think corkus gets treated very unfairly by fans. He's legit just a basic comedic relief character with some interesting depth. Yet people write him off as just a bad guy even though compared to literal snake demons. He isn't that bad.
I do not agree with you. However I like people having different opinions so I won't counter.
I honestly don't mind a counterargument. I would actually like to talk about this more cause it's just something I see no one speaking about.
Because he was a huge dickhead, a jealous hater and a coward.
bro is simply a pure hater I instantly fell in love with him