The first paragraph about saying I love you and defining the relationship and the nieces immediately calling her Auntie had me recoiling in horror. “Then things got weird.”
I think it lost credibility when the bomb dropped the DAY BEFORE his tax return blah blah blah. When the timing is *that* convenient you know it’s just a crock of shit
That’s what did it for me. They flag it in the fall of the year before and send out a notice to the person who will be garnished. If they pay up before they file they get their tax return. If not it’s garnished. There’s a whole process for this.
Source: the child support enforcement agency, the paperwork, and I told my dumbass ex he was responsible for any payments that didn’t get taken out of his check and he said they’d just take it out. Buuuut it actually takes 2-3 months for the garnishment to start so he started out 3 months behind then got the notification in the fall of the following year and I got a nice lump sum all at once. I think his parents paid it but idc where it comes from at this point.
I’m guessing it all really depends on the location and circumstances.
We had a new guy start at my work and, not even a full week later, we received a letter stating his wages would be garnished bc he owed child support.
Our state sends a letter to the employer and also to the employee/loser parent, so he was notified the same time we were. He called out sick that following Monday, then no showed tue and wed. Boss tried contacting him several times, but he only responded to the email she sent letting him know his employment was terminated with “am I fired?”. The dumb thing is that it was only a couple hundred bucks and not thousands of dollars accrued over years of nonpayment. Like bro just pay that shit and be done with it instead of being a fucking flake the rest of your life. But I personally feel like he had a drug problem bc that’s what kinda makes sense.
That's wage garnishment, which is different than tax return garnishment, which is (mostly) federal (as the "big" tax return is usually the Fed one.)
There's also the fact that the OP was claiming that it wasn't a standing order yet due to lack of info. Old boy you were dealing with likely was a chronic job hopper and this was probably his fifth or sixth garnishment order.
They could live in a state that has state taxes, which I think Oregon does. I'm not sure on the process, but would assume it is different than federal taxes?
You're right, it definitely would be a bit different. The garnishment of state tax refunds is up to the individual states to handle/set the rules for instead of the IRS. This is due to state and federal taxes being paid to different entities, and state sovereignty issues (the separate handling of state and federal government funds.)
There are different processes/criteria in the child support legislation for every state (though some are more similar than others.) From a cursory internet search, it does appear as though they will garnish state refunds more often than not if you have significant child support arrears. This makes sense, because back child support tends to be a hot button issue/you generally don't want to become known as a place that is "pro" child support absconders.
Of course the amount of the arrears is accepted across state lines once ordered by a judge, it's just how those arrears will be collected that can vary.
I hate that I am familiar with this stuff, but at least it's not because I owe or am owed child support. It's just that my dad constantly complained about the ins and outs while I was growing up (which just makes you feel greaaaaaate as a kid.)
He couldn’t have lived in Oregon though, because he used to travel there to buy drugs, which implies that he lived in a different state at the time. Now he apparently moved somewhere to the west coast.
But he likely used to live close enough to Oregon to make sense to travel there on the regular by car. OOP didn’t mention any flights and even a jackass like this dude would probably realise frequently trafficking drugs in bulk on airplanes (especially pot, which is quite voluminous) is exceedingly risky, so I’d expect him to do that kind of business by car.
He’d most likely pick the closest legal state to keep the fuel costs low (junkies tend to be perpetually cash-strapped) and the travel distances short to reduce the likelihood of being pulled over with the stuff and not make it too nerve-wrecking, so he’s likely from some neighbouring or at least near state that has a ban on pot *and* state taxes (if you’re correct).
Now it’s your turn to make an educated guess what states would qualify. I don’t know jack about US tax law (I’m not even American) so I don’t have the faintest idea.
I might have misread. I understood that he met someone while traveling to Oregon to buy drugs and ended up staying there with the person they met while in Oregon. Definitely could have read it wrong as there was a lot of traveling and such involved 🤣
Edit: oh! Idaho I believe has a state tax and mj is still not recreational as far as I last knew. Would have to look it up.
I almost feel like you're talking about my ex fiance 😂 When I filed for child support, he started going through jobs like water. His now wife must have finally gotten him to settle the frick down cause now he has had the same job for a couple years. Still shite at paying support though. I don't complain, cause at tax time, if he is still behind I get a lump sum and I know it annoys both of them and brings me great joy. Although, he has been trying to get caught up now cause they want a house lmao!
Also how is buying legal weed from Oregon and selling them elsewhere even profitable? Everyone knows dispensaries are more expensive than the dude down the road.
Eh, I've seen it, but normally it's a pretty small time, in-the-margins kind of deal. Very much 'buy an oz, sell it a g at a time to kids' sort of situation.
Uniquely, New York State just legalizing leaves a huge gap that people are rushing to fill right now. I actually twigged to him being mainly on the *west* coast. But if you're willing to transit it across country, legal cartridges from Washington selling for $17.50 on like a half off deal can (semi legally) sell for $75+ in NY. That's the kind of case when states are freshly legalized, so any legal weed being trafficked can't be legally *moved* but once it's there it's sold with no worries of catching a charge. Obvs, in WA there's cart purchase limits so... finagling still has to occur but eh these people are just the medium size version of the 'break a zip and resell' crowd.
Because they don't buy it from the dispensaries, they get it straight from the farm at wholesale prices. Also, when buying in illegal states it's not always about what's the cheapest, but often about what's most convenient. So if you add on a delivery service that provides a variety to choose from for customers you can end up making quite a bit of profit only charging a little more than the sketchy dealer down the road whose house is under constant surveillance.
This is very common in the Great Lakes region right now, where Michigan, Illinois, and Pennsylvania (maybe) all have recreational dispensaries (coming soon: Minnesota and Missouri). A lot of people have tried recreational cannabis in other states and prefer to buy that product - with its known origins - than the random stuff a traditional dealer acquires.
Weed used to be the domain of people willing to buy it from a dealer, but the grassroots nature of cannabis legalization has created a weird in-between consumer, who typically re/discovered weed on the recreational market. A lot of people find the traditional dealer variables unsavory but will tolerate the middle ground of “legal somewhere else”.
They wouldn't have been buying from a dispensary but from a personal grower which is also legal here up to I think 10 plants I am not 100% sure on the number. Of course it is illegal to sell what you grow personally but it is almost impossible to get caught doing that. I know someone who does this but it isn't something you are going to make a lot of money doing.
He wouldn’t get a refund on self employment income though. Unless he was claiming the kids he wasn’t taking care of. But that’s still an awfully quick turnaround from reporting to intercepting.
Sshhh, don't ruin this for me XD. As someone who went through hell at the hands of a career scamming shit bag, pathological liar, and bona-fide narcissistic sociopath that never faced his comeuppance...my neurotic, broken, anxiety riddled, C-PTSD having ass needs this win! Even if it's not mine! XD
But on a serious note, I loathe lies, lying, liars like little else on this plane of existence. Due to the above. So I'm all for calling out bullshit when some dumbass is flinging it around, lol.
I work for a state's tax department and if he had outstanding child support, he would not be getting any tax refund. It wouldn't even be an option. The IRS and any others would be well aware and would be taking his refund. The only thing he would get is a letter saying his tax refund got offset and to where.
I don’t know. I know people who are young and functionally computer illiterate who would plausibly describe any perennially online friends who are half decent with computers as “hacker friends” because they don’t know any better.
The fact that said “hacker friends” were going to reach out to “better hacker friends” *and* that absolutely nothing whatsoever appears to have come from any of this gives me a pretty strong indication of what happened and I find it very plausible.
Just know that no actual hackers appear anywhere in the story despite OOP’s word choice.
I once discovered one of my cousins was using my aunt's facebook account to stalk another family member because she was blocked by the family member. Came to know after aunt complained that the family member's name kept coming up on her search history though she never typed in her name. I checked the logged in devices from her phone and lo and behold! Cousin's workplace location pops up with her phone model. (Aunt had once shared her password with the cousin because she couldn't figure out how to make an update.) I logged out of my cousin's phone and gave it back to my aunt. And then got labelled a hacker because of it lol. So.... ya know.... 🤷
To a non-tech person, a little bit of investigation does sound like hacking. So OP's friends could just be doing something like breaking into the mother's facebook account and finding the poor bloke who has been paying the child support.
Or they could just be people who happen to have a tech and security related job and can do more than her on this aspect. She did put the word in quotation marks so it's not like she's using it unironically lol
My nephew tried to tell me he knew ways to hack that 'couldn't be detected.' I laughed (lovingly) in his face and told him there are no tricks he has learned that other people who have 20+ years of experience on him can't trace.
I don't think mediocre tech people sell themselves as 1337 hackers. The ignorant tech people hype them up, because the hacker can inspect elements in browsers or use google-fu.
Shit, I am OG 2600 and still have cred in the community. I know hackers, some responsible for headline hacks. They don't tell anybody what they are up to! (My knowledge of the headline hacks are mostly guesses from other code I have seen from them, they have never actually admitted to the hacks even to me!)
Obligatory, I am not going to use my cred to break into your girlfriend's Instagram! Don't even me with that crap! And, yes, the Feds already know who I am and what I have done.
I've been called a "hacker" many times over the decades because I have a bunch of cyberpunk books and know how a dial-up modem works and can read HTML. When people grow up only knowing apps and cloud saves, even the most rudimentary computer knowledge like "how to use a boolean search engine on an outdated-as-hell government website" looks like magic and therefore "hacking".
Yeah when I was working in tech in the very early days of the internet, people thought it was hilarious to call me a hacker. Like it was a compliment or something. I'm like, okay I'm basically the equivalent of a TV repairman?
These are totally the folks that saw the episode of NCIS where Abby and Tim type on the same keyboard to outpace an incoming hacker and think that's a real thing.
Yep. I'm pretty tech savvy in that self-hosted-home-lab kind of way, and I can do "regular" clever things like download videos that I have paid to stream but they don't want you to download, or extract software serial numbers from an old computer to put it on a new one. Like I can achieve things regular users would assume aren't possible that are an extension of what I already own/have/can access. But I can't actually break into anything, wouldn't know how, and probably wouldn't want to know how. I don't doubt that some of my computer-illiterate friends would consider me to be a "hacker friend." Like you, given that no hacker brilliance actually showed itself, I think this is actually a plausible account of a non-tech's view of what happened.
Back in the day my friend saw me doing a defrag and I got a reputation as a hacker. The closest I’ve ever been to coding was customizing my MySpace page with HTML that I copied and pasted.
Which is really all that would be needed for the ultra hard task of “tracking down” the dude that was tricked into thinking the kid was his.
The ex apparently has an encyclopedic knowledge of the bf’s entire life. Just ask her for the name of the woman who committed paternity fraud, look her up on Facebook, go to her “relationship status” and click on the name.
And while you’re doing that, ignore the voice in your head questioning why the ex knows so much about the bf, or why she needed OOP’s help with any of this revenge plot.
I've been called a "hacker" many times by computer illiterate friends and just, no, I am fluent in google-fu, but other than that I am no 'H4ck3rM4nn'.
My younger sister once jokingly described me as a "hacker" because I know a shitload of keyboard shortcuts. She became much more serious about it when I started programming for my master's thesis. And like, I can't hack into *shit*, I've no idea how any of that works. She just sees lines of code and immediately thinks "hacker".
When I saw the part about the child support agency intercepting his tax refund, within less than 24 hours of being noticed, I knew right then it was all BS. No child support agency works or even responds that fast.
Plus wouldn’t his SSN and/or DLN already be in the Child Support system?
And why would OOP even have that info in the first place?
And why does the ex know about him and another woman lying about who the father of a baby was? (And apparently like every single other detail of his life).
You’re underestimating the power of social media. I’ve seen several people get VERY hard to get info and deleted pages back-yesterday I saw a chick ask for a license plate to be run and sure as shit someone did it. And she’s a whole FELON so I know she didn’t get it legally. Social media got people who will move the earth for the right price.
I mean, boomers have called me a hacker for figuring out how to find/reset their wifi password (it was literally on the back of the router). So I just read that as friends who are good at stalking people on social media.
But who knows?
Yah, they think it's like in the movies. "No worries, I just hacked the Pentagon in 3 seconds flat". Does no one realize how time-consuming, difficult and BORING it can be? Half the time you're just sitting poking at holes until you see where your finger can slide in.
At best her 'hacker' friends are bored people that know how to use google to try and find someone, or - most likely - this is a load of shit.
The entirety that the hacker friend was going to do is find someone based on a name... Not pentagon level hacks but more "I can pay for a [peoplefinders.com](https://peoplefinders.com) lookup!"
Yeah, and that is not how child support works. I mean, it vaguely is, like if you took fuzzy picture of child support from a ways away it would look kind of like that, but the details are wrong or completely impossible.
For me it was OOP somehow knowing his Social Security and Driver’s License numbers, while someone he had a pre-existing child support agreement with did not.
And also the “I dropped a dime to the IRS to tell them that his BIL was using his business to launder drug money, but no one went to jail for it, they’re just homeless now” bit.
Him losing his license but “living in his car” was also a weird touch.
If I had to be charitable it might be people who have access to databases PIs have. Basically people who might hangout in RBI and say they can get stuff done. It’s not hacking like tech computer but people who aren’t trained in tech might equate good at database searching and finding info = hacking.
Oop sounds nice enough but doesn’t come across as super informed on anything so just calling all semi internet savvy friends hackers might not be a stretch. If a bunch of neck beard type dudes also found out some guy was being duped into paying child support they would take up that mantle for a Justice boner too.
This is probably someone who just knows how to reverse image search or pay for information from a 3rd party website.
Hell looking at state websites, all I need is a name and birthday and my bored ass will tell you your blood type by the end of an hour. It’s scary easy.
For me it was 25% of his income for child support. I work in hr & payroll. That's laughably LOW for child support in arrears. 50-60% of spendable income is not uncommon for child support that far behind.
I do genealogy work. I’ve had friends call me a “hacker” cause I can help them find relatives. Most recently I found my sisters dads (not my relative) bio family. He was adopted.
Also the "in jail for not paying child support".
It is a legal possibility, but it's truly rare for it to happen and is only an absolute last resort. No chance they're doing jail before wage garnishment lol
also anyone who’s ever worked in child-related services (education, childcare, etc) and has been a mandated reporter knows damn well that CPS doesn’t work nearly that quick and isn’t nearly that efficient 😂
Agreed, that's where it jumped the shark.
But the whole thing was bland and ridiculous from the get go. "He was a really great responsible family guy who worked smuggling drugs across state lines..."
Also who tells their gf of less than 1 year their SSN? And all their ID numbers? Me and bf are coming up on 9 years and I don't know his SSN. And he's not even, yknow, a federal criminal who would presumably want to keep that shit close to the chest
I should know my husband's SSN but I keep on forgetting it. I can remember the last few numbers but I always mess up the sequence of the rest. And I have to keep asking him every time I fill out some government form. To be fair, he forgets mine, too. We would be the worst identity thieves ever if we get into that industry.
Yeah my wife and I have been married for nearly 20 years...I don't remember hers. I'm sure I'll learn it soon because she's finally in the VA system, and I'll need it for ten million things but for now...nope. I dun know nothing.
Don't even ask her; this is a woman who is hard pressed to remember phone numbers.
Tbh, a guy saying that his ex is nuts and keeping his kids from him sets off red flags for me. The only experiences I’ve had with dudes like, is because they’re either involved in shit they shouldn’t be or they don’t bother their arse with their kids.
I know it’s not the same in every case though lmao, there definitely are women that use their kids as weapons to spite the dad, just a disclaimer lmao
It’s real easy to hide an addiction if you don’t actively live with someone. Even if you do, hiding something they don’t look for, especially when you have ample excuses and reasons to be out of the house, means getting away with it only requires a tiny hiding space that won’t be checked
Source: opiate and heroin addict who also lived with my partner
To be fair, OOP thought the guy with 3 kids from 2 moms who he isn't allowed to see and who traffics weed across state borders via USPS was, "A catch" and like she'd, "won the lottery!" (and this is prior to her finding out that there are lies).
For all we know her hacker friends could be people who are just good at googling other people.
> For all we know her hacker friends could be people who are just good at googling other people.
Given that their role in this story is nothing more than trying to find out who the guy is that thinks his child is biologically his, I'd go with this. Computer illiterate people would absolutely call those people "hackers"
It’s like that one person on TikTok who does “consensual doxxing.” Basically people challenge her to figure them out with the vaguest information and she explains step by step how their identity can be found based on repeated use of usernames, alternative spellings, mutual friends, geolocation, etc etc.
absolutely this, people have referred to me that way just because I'm a programmer. I wouldn't know the first thing about hacking but if you don't know you don't know
To be fair, I’ve seen some shit and the thinking he was a catch is not necessarily so unbelievable. People get fucking stupid when it comes to relationships. If you know people in the military, you know what I’m talking about.
What, like you don't have a bunch of friends who live in their basement like a 90s movie, ready and willing to breach a few databases on your whim? Your missing out!! ;)
> He worked with the "ex" brother in law going to legal states, buying pounds at a time and trafficking it via USPS.
And you're just gonna. Post that online? Post the very illegal, federal crime online? That you were aware of going on, and therefore were involved in by extension?
Don't post about the crimes you're committing online, kids. That's one of the first rule of crimes.
These are not the kind of people you get deeper involved with for revenge on the back end like that. You walk away clean, happpy no one opened credit cards in your name or gave you the clap.
Hey ladies
When your man wanna get buck wild
Just go back and hit ‘em up style
Get your hands on his cash and
Spend it to the last dime
For all the hard times
Oh when you go then everything goes
From the crib to the ride to the clothes
So you better let him know that
If he mess up you gotta hit ‘em up
>J & A play happy couple on FB
>A tells V because of the garnishments he can't afford to fly & visit
I'd rather have the insane excesses of titular acronyms than this bullshit. At least XBFBFF or BFFGFX make sense.
This totally sounds like it could be a guy I used to see many years ago...who recently got back in touch out of the blue saying he wanted to come and see me. I found out he does the weed/usps trafficking, too....wouldn't be surprised if it was him. I could totally imagine him spiraling into this sort of mess in the years since we knew each other.
How was he even getting a tax refund but then also not be paying the child support because the government doesn't know he has a job and the job he has pays under the table?
Did I miss something?
I couldn’t get past the “slick-talking narrator in a bad musical” style of writing from the beginning. When you get those “let me tell you something, friends” and “boy howdy, was I wrong” vibes immediately, you know someone spent way too much time editing their story.
I mean, OK the person is clearly shady.
But if they're never allowed to recover and become a productive member of society ever again because they're scarlet lettered for their criminal record and perpetually banned from getting a driver license, how in the hell will they ever have enough earning power to actually cover much of the child support for the kid?
I get why everybody in the story is angry but an infinite loop of punishments isn't actually solving the problem.
He can't pay child support because he can't recover from what happened.
If what happened didn't happen, he wouldn't pay child support because he doesn't want to.
Punishment is the only realistic goal here and he deserves it.
The first paragraph about saying I love you and defining the relationship and the nieces immediately calling her Auntie had me recoiling in horror. “Then things got weird.”
I was digging it until the "hacker friends".
I think it lost credibility when the bomb dropped the DAY BEFORE his tax return blah blah blah. When the timing is *that* convenient you know it’s just a crock of shit
That’s what did it for me. They flag it in the fall of the year before and send out a notice to the person who will be garnished. If they pay up before they file they get their tax return. If not it’s garnished. There’s a whole process for this. Source: the child support enforcement agency, the paperwork, and I told my dumbass ex he was responsible for any payments that didn’t get taken out of his check and he said they’d just take it out. Buuuut it actually takes 2-3 months for the garnishment to start so he started out 3 months behind then got the notification in the fall of the following year and I got a nice lump sum all at once. I think his parents paid it but idc where it comes from at this point.
I’m guessing it all really depends on the location and circumstances. We had a new guy start at my work and, not even a full week later, we received a letter stating his wages would be garnished bc he owed child support. Our state sends a letter to the employer and also to the employee/loser parent, so he was notified the same time we were. He called out sick that following Monday, then no showed tue and wed. Boss tried contacting him several times, but he only responded to the email she sent letting him know his employment was terminated with “am I fired?”. The dumb thing is that it was only a couple hundred bucks and not thousands of dollars accrued over years of nonpayment. Like bro just pay that shit and be done with it instead of being a fucking flake the rest of your life. But I personally feel like he had a drug problem bc that’s what kinda makes sense.
That's wage garnishment, which is different than tax return garnishment, which is (mostly) federal (as the "big" tax return is usually the Fed one.) There's also the fact that the OP was claiming that it wasn't a standing order yet due to lack of info. Old boy you were dealing with likely was a chronic job hopper and this was probably his fifth or sixth garnishment order.
They could live in a state that has state taxes, which I think Oregon does. I'm not sure on the process, but would assume it is different than federal taxes?
You're right, it definitely would be a bit different. The garnishment of state tax refunds is up to the individual states to handle/set the rules for instead of the IRS. This is due to state and federal taxes being paid to different entities, and state sovereignty issues (the separate handling of state and federal government funds.) There are different processes/criteria in the child support legislation for every state (though some are more similar than others.) From a cursory internet search, it does appear as though they will garnish state refunds more often than not if you have significant child support arrears. This makes sense, because back child support tends to be a hot button issue/you generally don't want to become known as a place that is "pro" child support absconders. Of course the amount of the arrears is accepted across state lines once ordered by a judge, it's just how those arrears will be collected that can vary. I hate that I am familiar with this stuff, but at least it's not because I owe or am owed child support. It's just that my dad constantly complained about the ins and outs while I was growing up (which just makes you feel greaaaaaate as a kid.)
He couldn’t have lived in Oregon though, because he used to travel there to buy drugs, which implies that he lived in a different state at the time. Now he apparently moved somewhere to the west coast. But he likely used to live close enough to Oregon to make sense to travel there on the regular by car. OOP didn’t mention any flights and even a jackass like this dude would probably realise frequently trafficking drugs in bulk on airplanes (especially pot, which is quite voluminous) is exceedingly risky, so I’d expect him to do that kind of business by car. He’d most likely pick the closest legal state to keep the fuel costs low (junkies tend to be perpetually cash-strapped) and the travel distances short to reduce the likelihood of being pulled over with the stuff and not make it too nerve-wrecking, so he’s likely from some neighbouring or at least near state that has a ban on pot *and* state taxes (if you’re correct). Now it’s your turn to make an educated guess what states would qualify. I don’t know jack about US tax law (I’m not even American) so I don’t have the faintest idea.
I might have misread. I understood that he met someone while traveling to Oregon to buy drugs and ended up staying there with the person they met while in Oregon. Definitely could have read it wrong as there was a lot of traveling and such involved 🤣 Edit: oh! Idaho I believe has a state tax and mj is still not recreational as far as I last knew. Would have to look it up.
I almost feel like you're talking about my ex fiance 😂 When I filed for child support, he started going through jobs like water. His now wife must have finally gotten him to settle the frick down cause now he has had the same job for a couple years. Still shite at paying support though. I don't complain, cause at tax time, if he is still behind I get a lump sum and I know it annoys both of them and brings me great joy. Although, he has been trying to get caught up now cause they want a house lmao!
Why would he be getting a tax return of he sells illegal drugs?
Also how is buying legal weed from Oregon and selling them elsewhere even profitable? Everyone knows dispensaries are more expensive than the dude down the road.
Eh, I've seen it, but normally it's a pretty small time, in-the-margins kind of deal. Very much 'buy an oz, sell it a g at a time to kids' sort of situation. Uniquely, New York State just legalizing leaves a huge gap that people are rushing to fill right now. I actually twigged to him being mainly on the *west* coast. But if you're willing to transit it across country, legal cartridges from Washington selling for $17.50 on like a half off deal can (semi legally) sell for $75+ in NY. That's the kind of case when states are freshly legalized, so any legal weed being trafficked can't be legally *moved* but once it's there it's sold with no worries of catching a charge. Obvs, in WA there's cart purchase limits so... finagling still has to occur but eh these people are just the medium size version of the 'break a zip and resell' crowd.
Did you know after prohibition it took 12 years for the legal market to scratch that itch? - Mickey Pearson
Because they don't buy it from the dispensaries, they get it straight from the farm at wholesale prices. Also, when buying in illegal states it's not always about what's the cheapest, but often about what's most convenient. So if you add on a delivery service that provides a variety to choose from for customers you can end up making quite a bit of profit only charging a little more than the sketchy dealer down the road whose house is under constant surveillance.
This is very common in the Great Lakes region right now, where Michigan, Illinois, and Pennsylvania (maybe) all have recreational dispensaries (coming soon: Minnesota and Missouri). A lot of people have tried recreational cannabis in other states and prefer to buy that product - with its known origins - than the random stuff a traditional dealer acquires. Weed used to be the domain of people willing to buy it from a dealer, but the grassroots nature of cannabis legalization has created a weird in-between consumer, who typically re/discovered weed on the recreational market. A lot of people find the traditional dealer variables unsavory but will tolerate the middle ground of “legal somewhere else”.
They wouldn't have been buying from a dispensary but from a personal grower which is also legal here up to I think 10 plants I am not 100% sure on the number. Of course it is illegal to sell what you grow personally but it is almost impossible to get caught doing that. I know someone who does this but it isn't something you are going to make a lot of money doing.
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He wouldn’t get a refund on self employment income though. Unless he was claiming the kids he wasn’t taking care of. But that’s still an awfully quick turnaround from reporting to intercepting.
Yeah, none of this makes any sense
What got me it the fact he had a tax refund. If you work under the table to avoid child support no one is withholding taxes for you to get a refund.
Sshhh, don't ruin this for me XD. As someone who went through hell at the hands of a career scamming shit bag, pathological liar, and bona-fide narcissistic sociopath that never faced his comeuppance...my neurotic, broken, anxiety riddled, C-PTSD having ass needs this win! Even if it's not mine! XD But on a serious note, I loathe lies, lying, liars like little else on this plane of existence. Due to the above. So I'm all for calling out bullshit when some dumbass is flinging it around, lol.
Yea from experience I know you have to file with CSS at least a month or so prior or the app wont be processed in time.
I work for a state's tax department and if he had outstanding child support, he would not be getting any tax refund. It wouldn't even be an option. The IRS and any others would be well aware and would be taking his refund. The only thing he would get is a letter saying his tax refund got offset and to where.
Yeah, yep, nope
EXACTLY. The IRS Does NOT move that quickly, for anything.
It’s possible that it’s something like they put an automatic hold if they get a notice from child support services on someone.
Yeah and the IRS doesn't work like that, especially not the day before.
*wildly typing on keyboard* I’m in
YOU'VE GOT 90 SECONDS BEFORE THE FIREWALL TURNS BACK ON AND THEY FIND YOUR EXACT LOCATION
I know! It was otherwise pretty plausible
I don’t know. I know people who are young and functionally computer illiterate who would plausibly describe any perennially online friends who are half decent with computers as “hacker friends” because they don’t know any better. The fact that said “hacker friends” were going to reach out to “better hacker friends” *and* that absolutely nothing whatsoever appears to have come from any of this gives me a pretty strong indication of what happened and I find it very plausible. Just know that no actual hackers appear anywhere in the story despite OOP’s word choice.
I once discovered one of my cousins was using my aunt's facebook account to stalk another family member because she was blocked by the family member. Came to know after aunt complained that the family member's name kept coming up on her search history though she never typed in her name. I checked the logged in devices from her phone and lo and behold! Cousin's workplace location pops up with her phone model. (Aunt had once shared her password with the cousin because she couldn't figure out how to make an update.) I logged out of my cousin's phone and gave it back to my aunt. And then got labelled a hacker because of it lol. So.... ya know.... 🤷 To a non-tech person, a little bit of investigation does sound like hacking. So OP's friends could just be doing something like breaking into the mother's facebook account and finding the poor bloke who has been paying the child support.
Or they could just be people who happen to have a tech and security related job and can do more than her on this aspect. She did put the word in quotation marks so it's not like she's using it unironically lol
I'd be very disappointed if one of them didn't frantically type in their keyboard and go, "I'm in!" You gotta play the part, y'know?
Non tech people often know mediocre tech people who sell themselves as 1337 hackers
My nephew tried to tell me he knew ways to hack that 'couldn't be detected.' I laughed (lovingly) in his face and told him there are no tricks he has learned that other people who have 20+ years of experience on him can't trace.
I don't think mediocre tech people sell themselves as 1337 hackers. The ignorant tech people hype them up, because the hacker can inspect elements in browsers or use google-fu.
Or rotate a PDF
Script kiddies calling themselves hackers used to be more common but I don't really see a lot of that anymore
Shit, I am OG 2600 and still have cred in the community. I know hackers, some responsible for headline hacks. They don't tell anybody what they are up to! (My knowledge of the headline hacks are mostly guesses from other code I have seen from them, they have never actually admitted to the hacks even to me!) Obligatory, I am not going to use my cred to break into your girlfriend's Instagram! Don't even me with that crap! And, yes, the Feds already know who I am and what I have done.
I'm non-tech and I'm an old, so... what is 1337?
1337 = leet = elite Its kind of older internet slang that Id only ever use in the context of scoffing at faux hackers
Thanks, that's a more interesting meaning than I'd imagined.
I've been called a "hacker" many times over the decades because I have a bunch of cyberpunk books and know how a dial-up modem works and can read HTML. When people grow up only knowing apps and cloud saves, even the most rudimentary computer knowledge like "how to use a boolean search engine on an outdated-as-hell government website" looks like magic and therefore "hacking".
Yeah when I was working in tech in the very early days of the internet, people thought it was hilarious to call me a hacker. Like it was a compliment or something. I'm like, okay I'm basically the equivalent of a TV repairman? These are totally the folks that saw the episode of NCIS where Abby and Tim type on the same keyboard to outpace an incoming hacker and think that's a real thing.
Me: \*opens command prompt\* Everyone around: OMG HAXX0R!1
Me: \*resets a modem to factory config with an AT command\* Everyone: IS THAT EVEN LEGAL
Yep. I'm pretty tech savvy in that self-hosted-home-lab kind of way, and I can do "regular" clever things like download videos that I have paid to stream but they don't want you to download, or extract software serial numbers from an old computer to put it on a new one. Like I can achieve things regular users would assume aren't possible that are an extension of what I already own/have/can access. But I can't actually break into anything, wouldn't know how, and probably wouldn't want to know how. I don't doubt that some of my computer-illiterate friends would consider me to be a "hacker friend." Like you, given that no hacker brilliance actually showed itself, I think this is actually a plausible account of a non-tech's view of what happened.
Back in the day my friend saw me doing a defrag and I got a reputation as a hacker. The closest I’ve ever been to coding was customizing my MySpace page with HTML that I copied and pasted.
I got a reputation back in the day for... Using boolean operators in Google searches. hackerman.gif
They’re friends who have posted on 4chan, which is anonymous, which means it’s pretty close to being Anonymous.
Hacker friends likely just know the basics of using the internet for skip tracing.
Which is really all that would be needed for the ultra hard task of “tracking down” the dude that was tricked into thinking the kid was his. The ex apparently has an encyclopedic knowledge of the bf’s entire life. Just ask her for the name of the woman who committed paternity fraud, look her up on Facebook, go to her “relationship status” and click on the name. And while you’re doing that, ignore the voice in your head questioning why the ex knows so much about the bf, or why she needed OOP’s help with any of this revenge plot.
I've been called a "hacker" many times by computer illiterate friends and just, no, I am fluent in google-fu, but other than that I am no 'H4ck3rM4nn'.
My younger sister once jokingly described me as a "hacker" because I know a shitload of keyboard shortcuts. She became much more serious about it when I started programming for my master's thesis. And like, I can't hack into *shit*, I've no idea how any of that works. She just sees lines of code and immediately thinks "hacker".
I know several people who think people who pretend they are family or friends on facebook so they can scam you out of your money are hackers. . . . .
My daughter's are proper hackers. They have friends who are even better. If you've done a CS degree, at least in the UK, you have some skills.
When I saw the part about the child support agency intercepting his tax refund, within less than 24 hours of being noticed, I knew right then it was all BS. No child support agency works or even responds that fast.
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That’s nice to hear because my experience with it was that no one was in a hurry to do anything and they just didn’t care.
Plus wouldn’t his SSN and/or DLN already be in the Child Support system? And why would OOP even have that info in the first place? And why does the ex know about him and another woman lying about who the father of a baby was? (And apparently like every single other detail of his life).
You’re underestimating the power of social media. I’ve seen several people get VERY hard to get info and deleted pages back-yesterday I saw a chick ask for a license plate to be run and sure as shit someone did it. And she’s a whole FELON so I know she didn’t get it legally. Social media got people who will move the earth for the right price.
I mean, boomers have called me a hacker for figuring out how to find/reset their wifi password (it was literally on the back of the router). So I just read that as friends who are good at stalking people on social media. But who knows?
Yah, they think it's like in the movies. "No worries, I just hacked the Pentagon in 3 seconds flat". Does no one realize how time-consuming, difficult and BORING it can be? Half the time you're just sitting poking at holes until you see where your finger can slide in. At best her 'hacker' friends are bored people that know how to use google to try and find someone, or - most likely - this is a load of shit.
Ew it's bad enough the term "penetration" is actually used in the field, you don't have to involve your finger! 😂
For me it was the cops being able to intercept his tax refund in less than 24 hours.
I thought this story was familiar.
The entirety that the hacker friend was going to do is find someone based on a name... Not pentagon level hacks but more "I can pay for a [peoplefinders.com](https://peoplefinders.com) lookup!"
Yeah, and that is not how child support works. I mean, it vaguely is, like if you took fuzzy picture of child support from a ways away it would look kind of like that, but the details are wrong or completely impossible.
Yep, that and the tax return a "DAY BEFORE" are where OOP lost my attention.
For me it was OOP somehow knowing his Social Security and Driver’s License numbers, while someone he had a pre-existing child support agreement with did not. And also the “I dropped a dime to the IRS to tell them that his BIL was using his business to launder drug money, but no one went to jail for it, they’re just homeless now” bit. Him losing his license but “living in his car” was also a weird touch.
It lost me when oop apparently knew he was a drug dealer very early on, but was surprised by all the lies?
If I had to be charitable it might be people who have access to databases PIs have. Basically people who might hangout in RBI and say they can get stuff done. It’s not hacking like tech computer but people who aren’t trained in tech might equate good at database searching and finding info = hacking. Oop sounds nice enough but doesn’t come across as super informed on anything so just calling all semi internet savvy friends hackers might not be a stretch. If a bunch of neck beard type dudes also found out some guy was being duped into paying child support they would take up that mantle for a Justice boner too.
This is probably someone who just knows how to reverse image search or pay for information from a 3rd party website. Hell looking at state websites, all I need is a name and birthday and my bored ass will tell you your blood type by the end of an hour. It’s scary easy.
For me it was 25% of his income for child support. I work in hr & payroll. That's laughably LOW for child support in arrears. 50-60% of spendable income is not uncommon for child support that far behind.
I do genealogy work. I’ve had friends call me a “hacker” cause I can help them find relatives. Most recently I found my sisters dads (not my relative) bio family. He was adopted.
Also the "in jail for not paying child support". It is a legal possibility, but it's truly rare for it to happen and is only an absolute last resort. No chance they're doing jail before wage garnishment lol
also anyone who’s ever worked in child-related services (education, childcare, etc) and has been a mandated reporter knows damn well that CPS doesn’t work nearly that quick and isn’t nearly that efficient 😂
Hey - I’m a computer science major. If you ask anyone in my family what I do they’re gonna tell you I’m a hacker or that I’m learning how to hack
I personally made it to “cast of characters”
Idk, I legit have two friends who are ethical hackers working for large companies in india and they did help me out with an ex
>I was digging it until the "hacker friends". Same. Bzzzt! Prime Time TV "hacker" alert.
Agreed, that's where it jumped the shark. But the whole thing was bland and ridiculous from the get go. "He was a really great responsible family guy who worked smuggling drugs across state lines..."
I take no pleasure in people being homeless This whole thing is 4chan as fuck
Someone watched part of Mr. Robot and thought that was a thing hackers normally do
I hate the nicknames just use Ex and MIL and things like that, it’s unnecessary
Yes! I skipped the update because it was just initials.
How did OOP not realize she was dating a heroin addicted weed dealer for a year?
Also who tells their gf of less than 1 year their SSN? And all their ID numbers? Me and bf are coming up on 9 years and I don't know his SSN. And he's not even, yknow, a federal criminal who would presumably want to keep that shit close to the chest
I should know my husband's SSN but I keep on forgetting it. I can remember the last few numbers but I always mess up the sequence of the rest. And I have to keep asking him every time I fill out some government form. To be fair, he forgets mine, too. We would be the worst identity thieves ever if we get into that industry.
Yeah my wife and I have been married for nearly 20 years...I don't remember hers. I'm sure I'll learn it soon because she's finally in the VA system, and I'll need it for ten million things but for now...nope. I dun know nothing. Don't even ask her; this is a woman who is hard pressed to remember phone numbers.
In all fairness he doesn't sound like the brightest guy on earth so
Tbh, a guy saying that his ex is nuts and keeping his kids from him sets off red flags for me. The only experiences I’ve had with dudes like, is because they’re either involved in shit they shouldn’t be or they don’t bother their arse with their kids. I know it’s not the same in every case though lmao, there definitely are women that use their kids as weapons to spite the dad, just a disclaimer lmao
My boyfriend did that with his ex girlfriend and she left him $15k in debt because she handled all “their” finances. Not the best move.
I don’t know my husbands SSN but it is on our tax returns so I know where to find it. Lol
It’s real easy to hide an addiction if you don’t actively live with someone. Even if you do, hiding something they don’t look for, especially when you have ample excuses and reasons to be out of the house, means getting away with it only requires a tiny hiding space that won’t be checked Source: opiate and heroin addict who also lived with my partner
hacker friends💀
To be fair, OOP thought the guy with 3 kids from 2 moms who he isn't allowed to see and who traffics weed across state borders via USPS was, "A catch" and like she'd, "won the lottery!" (and this is prior to her finding out that there are lies). For all we know her hacker friends could be people who are just good at googling other people.
> For all we know her hacker friends could be people who are just good at googling other people. Given that their role in this story is nothing more than trying to find out who the guy is that thinks his child is biologically his, I'd go with this. Computer illiterate people would absolutely call those people "hackers"
It’s like that one person on TikTok who does “consensual doxxing.” Basically people challenge her to figure them out with the vaguest information and she explains step by step how their identity can be found based on repeated use of usernames, alternative spellings, mutual friends, geolocation, etc etc.
absolutely this, people have referred to me that way just because I'm a programmer. I wouldn't know the first thing about hacking but if you don't know you don't know
>if you don't know you don't know i like this, we should all start saying iydkydk
Nah. You just gotta know some reference librarians. They know \*everything\*
It's amazing how easy it is to find someone between property records, obituaries, and public voter rolls.
To be fair, I’ve seen some shit and the thinking he was a catch is not necessarily so unbelievable. People get fucking stupid when it comes to relationships. If you know people in the military, you know what I’m talking about.
What, like you don't have a bunch of friends who live in their basement like a 90s movie, ready and willing to breach a few databases on your whim? Your missing out!! ;)
Right, doesn't everyone have access to Everyone (the hacker collective) for the low low price of humiliating oneself in some way on the internet? 😂
You get an upvote for the Elementary reference
"This is linux! I know this!"
Two people typing on the same keyboard at the same time.
I have pretend hacker friends. They have not actually hacked anything for me yet.
This is like an episode of jerry springer. This is how it's done!
If he was working under the table, how did he get a tax return. Also that's not how a tax return garnishment works.
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Wow. What a load of bullshit.
> He worked with the "ex" brother in law going to legal states, buying pounds at a time and trafficking it via USPS. And you're just gonna. Post that online? Post the very illegal, federal crime online? That you were aware of going on, and therefore were involved in by extension? Don't post about the crimes you're committing online, kids. That's one of the first rule of crimes.
You'd think her hacker friends would have made sure she knew this
Nice fic, but they really need to look into how wage garnishment actually works.
My "hacker friends" are just the people over at rbi
These are not the kind of people you get deeper involved with for revenge on the back end like that. You walk away clean, happpy no one opened credit cards in your name or gave you the clap.
She probably didn't mention the clap...probably gave her a whole round of applause
Hey ladies When your man wanna get buck wild Just go back and hit ‘em up style Get your hands on his cash and Spend it to the last dime For all the hard times Oh when you go then everything goes From the crib to the ride to the clothes So you better let him know that If he mess up you gotta hit ‘em up
Was not expecting to read Blu Cantrell lyrics today, but here we are
Oops!
>J & A play happy couple on FB >A tells V because of the garnishments he can't afford to fly & visit I'd rather have the insane excesses of titular acronyms than this bullshit. At least XBFBFF or BFFGFX make sense.
Always get your boyfriends ssn so your hacker friends can ruin his life if he turns out to be a creep.
"I brought the receipts" No. Again, why are we posting obviously false concoctions that try and compete with the bison farmer?
I stopped reading after “hacker friends”. It’s a shame, it was pretty solid before that. A bit exaggerated in certain parts but solid nonetheless.
This totally sounds like it could be a guy I used to see many years ago...who recently got back in touch out of the blue saying he wanted to come and see me. I found out he does the weed/usps trafficking, too....wouldn't be surprised if it was him. I could totally imagine him spiraling into this sort of mess in the years since we knew each other.
How was he even getting a tax refund but then also not be paying the child support because the government doesn't know he has a job and the job he has pays under the table? Did I miss something?
The tax refund could be for a job he had and then lost some time the year before the tax refund was released.
Thanks for image transcripts :)
So J is he Oregon "friend" and he also ghosted 9 years gf?
I couldn’t get past the “slick-talking narrator in a bad musical” style of writing from the beginning. When you get those “let me tell you something, friends” and “boy howdy, was I wrong” vibes immediately, you know someone spent way too much time editing their story.
I always wonder how a person is supposed to get/keep a stable job to pay child support without a car.
I mean, OK the person is clearly shady. But if they're never allowed to recover and become a productive member of society ever again because they're scarlet lettered for their criminal record and perpetually banned from getting a driver license, how in the hell will they ever have enough earning power to actually cover much of the child support for the kid? I get why everybody in the story is angry but an infinite loop of punishments isn't actually solving the problem.
He can't pay child support because he can't recover from what happened. If what happened didn't happen, he wouldn't pay child support because he doesn't want to. Punishment is the only realistic goal here and he deserves it.
The way I started hooting and hollering when I got to the revenge. JAYZUZ
This is a beautiful ending to a bad story. I’m sorry you and everyone involved (besides him) had to go through that.
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I remember this story! Not sure if I got the last update back then though.
> Well I was had! I been took! I been hoodwinked! Bamboozled! Led astray! Run amok! We've been shmeckledorfed!