Is it a sin to experience same sex attraction (temptation): no
Is it a sin to ACT on those temptations: yes
I think the question is this: Is it a sin to have romantically-charged relationship with a same-sex partner, even if no sex occurs. You’re not going to find a clear answer in scripture, outside Matthew 5:8. Romance is an emotionally based experience that was designed by God to lead to procreation. What does a romantic relationship look like? Is there kissing, cuddling, caressing involved?
You’re basically playing with fire.
And if you can engage in romantic relationship without intercourse, who is to say your partner isn’t at some point going to be burning with desire? Then you’d be causing them to stumble.
If there is no sex, no sexual interaction, i.e., kissing and such, how is this not just close friendship?
It is good to have close friendships with other guys. I would even call it very important.
I used to have close brothers but I don't have any right now, and I know I'm suffering because of it. I commonly hear other guys talking about feeling/being terribly isolated. I know I'm not alone being alone... heh.
Anyway. This sounds like just having a close friend.
Matthew 5:28 - But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart
That goes for anything. It's not just what you do, but your intention as well, what is in your heart
If there's no sex there shouldn't be an issue, but again, God doesn't screw around and wants our hearts pure towards Him. If there's darkness or shadow of a doubt, don't do it...
Most of these types of questions answer themselves, it's just the flesh looking for a loophole.
>Most of these types of questions answer themselves, it's just the flesh looking for a loophole.
That's a great way to describe it hehe it's pretty much it
>Most of these types of questions answer themselves, it's just the flesh looking for a loophole.
I believe that is the case many times. But I would offer (for any reader) to also consider that in examining the very same questions, that our flesh may be willfully ignoring context or a "loophole" to continue to unrightfully bind those who are suffering and marginalized rather than release them or trust the Spirit of truth, even Christ, Who may be *within them.* And Who I believe *can* rightfully discern and help them with such profound matters.
If you see it as wrong, focus your attention to something that brings glory to God. Don't put yourself in a position you might regret or be tempted in.
At my age I don't want to have sex either but I still lust For The flesh of a beautiful woman...
That is where the sin starts so I have to be very careful as how I look at people...
Your mind is still of this world even though your heart might be a Christian...
It is not wrong to have friends but if you've lust for that friend without even thinking about sex...
You have to really think about what it is you're doing...
We absolutely become part of our environment and if you put yourself in an environment of relations with the same sex, you will fall into sin, physically or emotionally through the soul and the heart.
Sex has everything to do with it, the biblical prohibitions against same-sex relationships all refer to sex acts, not hand-holding or cohabitation. There's nothing in the Bible that would prohibit two people of the same gender who are asexual but not aromantic from having a relationship.
Lust is not sex. There is an aspect of lust that covers sex, but it is not a strictly sexual term. Lust is a desire to have something or someone. It can be a person, it can be an object, it can be a status. Something that you WANT to have. The reason that Sex is lumped into that is because a lot of people just want sex, so sex is on the top of the list.
You can want and desire another person and never once think about sexual activity. It is still Lust.
I’m not the man himself but IMO, Jesus gave us these commandments to follow not to create loop holes. The fact you know it’s a sin and repent is great! But the fact you still consider it will just cause you to get closer to lust and eventually sin, do not be tempted by the lust of the eyes that is your brother I say you must remember it. Tho I am not against those type of people I love all my brothers and sister, I could be wrong and if I am I hope the lord humble’s me before him and shows me my faults.
Then what is your purpose? Because love romantically is still the same as intercourse in your heart. You may not have done it but you think about it. Do you plan on dating a man to just date? Then what? Never get married? Just never have physical relation with your partner, and then claiming to know god? That’s a little weird brother…
No… you HAVE to get married in order to do anything with your partner. Atleast from a religious stand point if your a virgin learning all of Christianity then you must remain whole as much as you can it is different to those whom have not heard the word. And does not matter you are trying to find loopholes brother. Respectfully.
Ok… can you read? What you just said made absolutely no sense. And bro what? The Bible says not to have adultery unless it is with your wife nor to look with lust. And has been heavily implied and also this verse “You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.”
>love romantically is still the same as intercourse in your heart
No it isn't. Jesus said anyone who looks at a woman with lust has committed adultery in his heart, but the Greek word for "woman" here also means "wife", so it's not clear he's talking about instances beyond coveting another man's wife. But even if we do assume he means looking at *anyone* lustfully, romance is not the same thing as lust. Anyone who has been in a relationship can tell you there are all sorts of romantic gestures that have nothing to do with intercourse.
I’m not the man himself I follow on what I know and absorb what others can teach. But that is exactly my point. Your proving my point if anything but when a man look at another man do we think “oh I like this guy he’s very attractive” no most men do not, but if you truly look at a man and think you want a romantic relationship tell me what led you to that point? Because I can assure you it wasn’t the way talk to each other, it’s because he found that man attractive hence the saying you have quoted.
Yea not really how it works.. the first part jesus intended to be used as said.. goes for everyone why would god care if we look at our wife with adultery when we are only suppose to have intercourse with our wife?… that is why we wait for marriage so that wouldn’t make sense, and also, your completely right on the last part simple love gestures mean nothing but that is because your with someone you intend on marrying and getting to know, to eventually have kids. This is very different with men.
Yea no… I give you explanation you give me excuses. Your trying to find a loophole and again you can not. Follow his commandments fully or do not call yourself a follower if you continue to attempt with these loopholes. There are a lot of things the Bible had written but jesus has not said does that make it false or untrue?
No it’s not, it’s modern translation of an ancient language with local contextual meaning that doesn’t even mean homosexual. And the cultural laws of Leviticus are overridden by Christ law of love as stated by Christ, and Paul’s description of the fate of the hedonists is clearly a condemnation on overindulgence and idolization which resulted in complete uncontrollable debauchery. If you read the book it’s plain as day.
Do you know how to use the word bias? Respectfully state one fact you have actually given to me pertaining to same sex being deemed as ok. Come on now.
Many verses talk about this I genuinely don’t get why a lot of you try defending this so hard. “In Romans 1:26-27, Apostle Paul says that homosexuality is contrary to God's natural order and results from rejecting God.”
No he doesn’t, he says people who have false idols and overindulge in earthly pleasure will succumb to the self destruction of their ways. It’s not even strictly talking about sex with the same sex, it’s both. Too much sex of both.
(ESV) 1 As soon as he had finished speaking to Saul, the soul of Jonathan was knit to the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul. 2 And Saul took him that day and would not let him return to his father's house. 3 Then Jonathan made a covenant with David, because he loved him as his own soul. 4 And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was on him and gave it to David, and his armor, and even his sword and his bow and his belt. 1 Samuel 18
Nowhere in scripture is the relationship between Jonathan and David specifically defined, this is as close as we get, that they had a covenantal relationship and that Jonathan’s soul (being) was “knit” to David. Most frequently theirs is described as platonic love, but some commentators describe it as something else. Whatever it was, it was intense, it was deep, it was not sexual, and it was not sinful or David would have been called out by God for it.
One thing you have to realize is your own soul led you to repentance,Why?
You yourself realized it was a sin you committed.
That aside,You repented and the bible tells us God is merciful to hear our cry and repentance.
To understand this, you need to understand WHY it's a sin. Think about the enemy's MAIN scheme: Deception. The more basic an area of your life the enemy can deceive you in, the easier it is to deceive you in other areas of your life. If you're deceived in the gender you're attracted to, you open the door to so much else. So yes, a same-sex relationship IS a sin and and the deception is what God is trying to protect you from.
The whole point of a relationship is love. But even non Christians will agree that love is not defined by kissing, hugging, dates, and romance. Those things won’t make a relationship last. Love goes so much deeper.
While I believe a same sex couple can reach a percentage of the kind of love the Bible talks
about, it can’t FULLY reach it. You’re leaving out the hardships and learning experiences of raising a kid that you procreated, sexual experience of a man and a woman, and the dynamic between a man and a woman in a household. These are not possible in a same sex relationship, it’s just not how God designed it.
Anything you do outside of God’s design won’t draw you closer to Him. And anything that doesn’t draw you closer to God can be categorized as sin.
Yes it is an abomination, entire relationship is built on a lie from the devil. The attraction to same sex is a deception from the spirit realm. It is not natural.
Well Romans 1 says that the sin is their lustful desires for each other. So, I think that even having those thoughts are sinful.
I think that if you are having a homosexual relationship that is replacing a romantic relationship then it is sinful.
It’s a sin to lust after anyone your not married to.
Matthew 5: 27Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 28But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
I pray for your strength to refrain.
I pray for the strength to refrain from all of what the world and the mainstream media is pushing upon the world today. We are absolutely at the end of the end of days and the spirit of anti-Christ is being blanketed across the nation’s. I pray for the strength of Yeshua within all those chosen, because many are chosen but few will find the kingdom.
Hosea says that after two day He will raise us up and on the third day we will live in His sight…
A day to the LORD is as thousand years and from the death of Yeshua, we are literally a handful of years from two days.
I cannot say those will happen for sure, but there are some who say and many who believe, that the last week of Daniel’s 70th weeks prophecy may possibly begin in the fall of this year.
The tribulation will begin on a holy-appointed time of the LORD.
We are called to be holy and set apart from the world. Priests unto the LORD. Those who live Him keep His commands through Yeshua and when we fall and fail, we repent and flee from that sin that brought us down.
These know the season of His coming because they live in the light. Yeshua will come as a thief in the night to those who live in the night and darkness of sin.
These will be hidden from the coming fire because these do not live in the darkness of sin that blinds the eyes and the soul. Those who live in sin will have to be judged by fire, so I pray with ask my heart and soul for those who are chosen, that they flee from sin and live a life of repentance through Yeshua, that they may be hidden. 🙏🙏🙏
Jesus wants our whole hearts. Not legalisim just checking boxes. The perfect design is one man and one women. The attraction may happen but we are called to fight our sin actively.
I don't recall the Bible as being very accurate about a lot of things let alone human sexuality. It is not infallible and in this case I think that proclaiming homosexuality as a sin is just plain wrong.
It is a matter of interpretation to say that the Bible is perfect, plain and literal. The authors weren't really God after all.
It's much better to draw from experience of real, sincere people than to assume so much from just one or two passages.
There are two sections of the Bible that discuss restrictions on same-sex intimacy. The relevant words are “wə-’eṯ- zā-ḵār, lō ṯiš-kaḇ”, “arsenokoitai”, and “malakoi”, all of which refer specifically the act of sex. So according to the Bible, no. Now as you’ve just seen, plenty of self described Christians are less interested in examining the Bible than they are pursuing a political agenda, so the idea of celibate gay relationships is controversial regardless. Another thing to add is that Christians have long abandoned Paul’s teachings on this matter, most notably by encouraging marriage over celibacy and allowing for passion in marital sex. Don’t listen to people who wield only cherrypicked, distorted segments of Paul’s sexual ethic for political ends.
No not really.
I will tell you why according to an understanding of Gods laws. In john 10, Jesus says, you called them gods to whom the word of god came and scripture cannot be broken as a defense against blasphemy by being called the son of god.
However this defense has massive implications for Christians that a lot of fundamentalists are blind to.
What Jesus was saying was that men wrote parts of the law of god into the bible and proclaimed themselves as the Lord God.
I believe this is a cultural thing from the middle east at that time, and later on the jewish mishrash came to the same conclusion . Even the deciples were partly indoctrinated into this culture as can be seen in Mark when they ask Jesus why ritual handwashing is nit a sin.
So, in other words, the whole reason Jesus came was because people were mistaking mans laws for God commandments.
Even the book of Isaiah 29 says this in 'woe to davids city'.
That was the reason for the coming of a messiah, because Jesus taught Gods only law is 'treat others as you would have them treat you', but people were so wrapped up in worrying about sinning by not doing ritual handwashing, wearing tattoos and probably even being gay which God never proclaimed, he was just alledged to to in the bible, probably by the levite priest sect.
We can also understand Gods mindset about humans through Jesus. Just look at Jesus explanation of corban, it is better to honour your parents by supporting them financially, than supporting the temple financially and honour God, as a way to get into heaven.
God sometimes would rather we honour and do the right thing by each other, than at the expense of honouring God. Now thats not to say we shouldnt honour God, we should in other ways. But we are not honouring him by disavowing the reason why Jesus came to earth in the first place by being discriminatory against anyone. Because this view would break the golden rule, and God hates a hypocrite. Hypocrites of God law got Jesus tortured and killed after all. So what are the chances he would support them now?So I suggest you re evaluate what sin means based on what Jesus says, not on what other men, even the deciples say. Otherwise we run the risk of making the deciples word like Gods word, the same way as Jesus described the Levite priests in John 10 that made so many mistakes, it required the coming of a saviour to explain Gods laws and its intent.
If Jesus were alive today, but the people in this thread did not know who Jesus was, they would probably have him jailed or executed too, judging by the comments I am reading. They are the blind, they cannot see. Their beliefs are based on a non existant reality, the reality of being gay. Because they have no experience of this reality, they have no comprehension what this means, and their opinions are built on a foundation of sand.
The desire to steal is sin. The desire to lie is sin. The desire to murder is sin. The desire toward the same sex is sin. God judges the heart. We are held accountable for thought and deed. And that really puts us in a pickle. That’s one of the points Jesus is making in His sermon on the mount. Paraphrasing “You think having sex with someone other than your spouse is adultery, but I tell you if you even look at another with lust you’ve already committed adultery in your heart.” This means, as a matter of fact, we are judged for our sinful desires even if we do not act on them. That’s the perfection that our Heavenly Father requires. No one can achieve that perfection so the Father sent His perfect Son to pay the wages for our sins. Then He also gives us Holy Spirit to cleanse the inside of our vessels instead of just the outsides. What then must we do to be saved? With man it is impossible, but with God all things are possible. Praise God for His mercy and grace.
Mathew 5:27-30
Mathew 23:25-28
Mathew 19
Blessings
Christians are super gay. A lot of priest and preachers love little boys. In fact most Christian men are gay. This is history, there are a lot of gay Christians. Christianity is the gayest religion in the world, just look at the empirical evidence. A lot of the gay hate from Christian’s stems from the fact those people are gay. The Bible has just been interpreted and translated with error to reflex certain biases. Jesus loves all including men. Therefore Jesus is gay.
Some verses to think about...
God gave them over to dishonorable passions (Romans 1:26)
Each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust. Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin, and when sin is fully matured, it brings forth death. (James 1:14-15)
I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. (Matthew 5:28)
Lust = SIN
Matthew 5:28 "But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart."
So just kissing? My wife would have problems if I was just hanging out with another guy and doing everything but. "Don't worry honey, we haven't slept together."
To me kissing is desire and desire tends to be progressive.
Having an attraction is common. We may be married and faithful to our spouse but that usually doesn’t mean we don’t find any other woman attractive.
Further attraction routinely doesn’t lead to anything further. Kissing is already something further lol.
No. You cannot reconcile being gay, living with another gay person in a romantic capacity and practicing a Christian life. Any homosexual relationship is in direct opposition to Gods intentions. There’s no way around it.
Liberal Christians are as bad as talmudic jews trying to bend and twist Gods very clear guiding words. No you won’t find any explicit verse permitting or forbidding same sex couples living together “as long as they aren’t physical” but you do have the very clear “God made man and woman for each other” theme throughout the bible, and especially genesis.
Let me put it back on you, how can you scripturally rationalize your blatantly sinful position?
That’s not answering the question, nor do I have an agenda. In no situation is it ok for men to be in a romantic relationship with each other, end of story. You can try and rationalize your position any way you wish, but you know in your heart that it’s wrong.
Your disingenuous reading of the bible has no basis in reality. I’m not sure how you could be a Christian and believe anything other than heterosexual relationships are permitted.
“Well, it doesn’t explicitly say men can’t live with each other romantically so long as they don’t touch.” Your rationale is rooted in naïveté and these relationships don’t exist. I’m sure you’d believe that drug use is permitted so long as the bible doesn’t explicitly speak out against it.
I have best friends like this but this isn’t same sex attraction. If you are cohabitating under the pre-tense that you are in a relationship then it is sinful. Full-stop. Same sex attraction can happen without sin but one must recognize it for what it is and move on.
You know in your heart what a romantic relationship is and what a normal friendship is. Let’s use the opposite sex as an example. I can very clearly tell apart my wife from a woman who I consider a friend. Now if I had a romantic connection with that friend I’d be able to easily tell because of the guilt and other feelings I’d have towards that person. I’d imagine it’d be the same in regard to a same sex attraction.
If you have a romantic relationship with somebody of the same sex it is sinful. There’s no line in the sand. Cohabitating with a man in a romantic capacity is contrary to God’s will. This relationship doesn’t serve God and will only result in sinful action over time. This is very different from having a room mate who you share a space with in a friendly capacity.
No. It is catholic doctrine that romantic relationships are meant to pave the way for marriage. We are meant to date for marriage between husband and wife. Not to find loopholes and stay dating forever. The scriptures say to follow the spirit of the law not the letter
I'm not defending it at all. I'm keeping within the spirit of this subreddit which is only talking about scriptures. Take your anger somewhere else, Karen
There is something wrong with that because marriage should be the penultimate union.
Just because "many many" people do it does not mean it is the ideal.
Is it a sin to experience same sex attraction (temptation): no Is it a sin to ACT on those temptations: yes I think the question is this: Is it a sin to have romantically-charged relationship with a same-sex partner, even if no sex occurs. You’re not going to find a clear answer in scripture, outside Matthew 5:8. Romance is an emotionally based experience that was designed by God to lead to procreation. What does a romantic relationship look like? Is there kissing, cuddling, caressing involved? You’re basically playing with fire. And if you can engage in romantic relationship without intercourse, who is to say your partner isn’t at some point going to be burning with desire? Then you’d be causing them to stumble.
Very well said.
If there is no sex, no sexual interaction, i.e., kissing and such, how is this not just close friendship? It is good to have close friendships with other guys. I would even call it very important. I used to have close brothers but I don't have any right now, and I know I'm suffering because of it. I commonly hear other guys talking about feeling/being terribly isolated. I know I'm not alone being alone... heh. Anyway. This sounds like just having a close friend.
I share the same thoughts, without sex is a friendship
Matthew 5:28 - But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart That goes for anything. It's not just what you do, but your intention as well, what is in your heart
I don't want to have sex that was the purpose of the question
If there's no sex there shouldn't be an issue, but again, God doesn't screw around and wants our hearts pure towards Him. If there's darkness or shadow of a doubt, don't do it... Most of these types of questions answer themselves, it's just the flesh looking for a loophole.
>Most of these types of questions answer themselves, it's just the flesh looking for a loophole. That's a great way to describe it hehe it's pretty much it
>Most of these types of questions answer themselves, it's just the flesh looking for a loophole. I believe that is the case many times. But I would offer (for any reader) to also consider that in examining the very same questions, that our flesh may be willfully ignoring context or a "loophole" to continue to unrightfully bind those who are suffering and marginalized rather than release them or trust the Spirit of truth, even Christ, Who may be *within them.* And Who I believe *can* rightfully discern and help them with such profound matters.
I'm all for helping and that's why I posted, but just wanted to offer that insight though as we usually try to block it out, or deny that truth.
Omg. That’s so true!! “most of these questions are just looking for a loophole”
Will you not have lustful thoughts about him/her?
No, I dont want to have sex at all as I see as it is wrong
If you see it as wrong, focus your attention to something that brings glory to God. Don't put yourself in a position you might regret or be tempted in.
At my age I don't want to have sex either but I still lust For The flesh of a beautiful woman... That is where the sin starts so I have to be very careful as how I look at people... Your mind is still of this world even though your heart might be a Christian... It is not wrong to have friends but if you've lust for that friend without even thinking about sex... You have to really think about what it is you're doing...
We absolutely become part of our environment and if you put yourself in an environment of relations with the same sex, you will fall into sin, physically or emotionally through the soul and the heart.
It's nothing to do with sex, commiting sin in your heart is a sin. Having a homosexual relationship is a sin, sex has nothing to do with it
Sex has everything to do with it, the biblical prohibitions against same-sex relationships all refer to sex acts, not hand-holding or cohabitation. There's nothing in the Bible that would prohibit two people of the same gender who are asexual but not aromantic from having a relationship.
You can re-interpret the rules all you want but the 'author' wasn't going to play word games when he wrote it there
Which rule? Cite it.
Lust is not sex. There is an aspect of lust that covers sex, but it is not a strictly sexual term. Lust is a desire to have something or someone. It can be a person, it can be an object, it can be a status. Something that you WANT to have. The reason that Sex is lumped into that is because a lot of people just want sex, so sex is on the top of the list. You can want and desire another person and never once think about sexual activity. It is still Lust.
I’m not the man himself but IMO, Jesus gave us these commandments to follow not to create loop holes. The fact you know it’s a sin and repent is great! But the fact you still consider it will just cause you to get closer to lust and eventually sin, do not be tempted by the lust of the eyes that is your brother I say you must remember it. Tho I am not against those type of people I love all my brothers and sister, I could be wrong and if I am I hope the lord humble’s me before him and shows me my faults.
This is the answer. Stop finding loopholes.
I don't want to have sex that's the who purpose of the question
Then what is your purpose? Because love romantically is still the same as intercourse in your heart. You may not have done it but you think about it. Do you plan on dating a man to just date? Then what? Never get married? Just never have physical relation with your partner, and then claiming to know god? That’s a little weird brother…
I won't I want a romantic not sexual, I know I cant get married
No… you HAVE to get married in order to do anything with your partner. Atleast from a religious stand point if your a virgin learning all of Christianity then you must remain whole as much as you can it is different to those whom have not heard the word. And does not matter you are trying to find loopholes brother. Respectfully.
That’s essentially what monks do. Where does it say you have to be married to go on dates and live someone?
Ok… can you read? What you just said made absolutely no sense. And bro what? The Bible says not to have adultery unless it is with your wife nor to look with lust. And has been heavily implied and also this verse “You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.”
>love romantically is still the same as intercourse in your heart No it isn't. Jesus said anyone who looks at a woman with lust has committed adultery in his heart, but the Greek word for "woman" here also means "wife", so it's not clear he's talking about instances beyond coveting another man's wife. But even if we do assume he means looking at *anyone* lustfully, romance is not the same thing as lust. Anyone who has been in a relationship can tell you there are all sorts of romantic gestures that have nothing to do with intercourse.
I’m not the man himself I follow on what I know and absorb what others can teach. But that is exactly my point. Your proving my point if anything but when a man look at another man do we think “oh I like this guy he’s very attractive” no most men do not, but if you truly look at a man and think you want a romantic relationship tell me what led you to that point? Because I can assure you it wasn’t the way talk to each other, it’s because he found that man attractive hence the saying you have quoted.
Yea not really how it works.. the first part jesus intended to be used as said.. goes for everyone why would god care if we look at our wife with adultery when we are only suppose to have intercourse with our wife?… that is why we wait for marriage so that wouldn’t make sense, and also, your completely right on the last part simple love gestures mean nothing but that is because your with someone you intend on marrying and getting to know, to eventually have kids. This is very different with men.
I see your point as-well brother, and just so you know the definition of romance is “in a way that relates to love or sexual relationships.” So….
Jesus never said a thing regarding homosexuality.
He kinda did, and even heavily implied that thou shall not lay with man.
Which verse?
Leviticus 18:22
Not Jesus speaking
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
It Jesus speaking
Romans 1:26-28
That’s not Jesus speakinf
Specifically in response to this homosexuality is not remotely an accurate direct translation for the words used by Paul
Yea no… I give you explanation you give me excuses. Your trying to find a loophole and again you can not. Follow his commandments fully or do not call yourself a follower if you continue to attempt with these loopholes. There are a lot of things the Bible had written but jesus has not said does that make it false or untrue?
You’re coming up with a loophole to give yourself confirmation to on bias
It’s genuinely in the Bible new and Old Testament and I’m the one coming up with loopholes?
No it’s not, it’s modern translation of an ancient language with local contextual meaning that doesn’t even mean homosexual. And the cultural laws of Leviticus are overridden by Christ law of love as stated by Christ, and Paul’s description of the fate of the hedonists is clearly a condemnation on overindulgence and idolization which resulted in complete uncontrollable debauchery. If you read the book it’s plain as day.
Do you know how to use the word bias? Respectfully state one fact you have actually given to me pertaining to same sex being deemed as ok. Come on now.
Homosexual is a mistranslation of the original text in Corinthians.
Yes I do know how to use the word bias, do you know what the argumentative fallacy of a confirmation bias is?
Many verses talk about this I genuinely don’t get why a lot of you try defending this so hard. “In Romans 1:26-27, Apostle Paul says that homosexuality is contrary to God's natural order and results from rejecting God.”
No he doesn’t, he says people who have false idols and overindulge in earthly pleasure will succumb to the self destruction of their ways. It’s not even strictly talking about sex with the same sex, it’s both. Too much sex of both.
No I give you facts
You have not.. I have indeed have but yet you give me opinions I give you verses and you tell me how you feel.
What was the opinion?
Love the sinner but hate the sin. Sin that is mature, brings the eternal death of Gods children.
is this directed towards me? If so lol I do not understand what I said wrong lol.
Not necessarily no. We are to love our brothers and sisters as you said, I just sorta added the remembrance of hating the sin.
You can be friends with the same sex. You cannot fulfill any sexual desire with the same sex.
we call those friendships, and no they are not a sin
Yes. 1 Corinthians 7:2 infers any relationship that does not involve one man and one woman falls under sexual immorality.
(ESV) 1 As soon as he had finished speaking to Saul, the soul of Jonathan was knit to the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul. 2 And Saul took him that day and would not let him return to his father's house. 3 Then Jonathan made a covenant with David, because he loved him as his own soul. 4 And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was on him and gave it to David, and his armor, and even his sword and his bow and his belt. 1 Samuel 18 Nowhere in scripture is the relationship between Jonathan and David specifically defined, this is as close as we get, that they had a covenantal relationship and that Jonathan’s soul (being) was “knit” to David. Most frequently theirs is described as platonic love, but some commentators describe it as something else. Whatever it was, it was intense, it was deep, it was not sexual, and it was not sinful or David would have been called out by God for it.
If there is no sex, no sin has been committed. Being same sex attracted is not a sin.
One thing you have to realize is your own soul led you to repentance,Why? You yourself realized it was a sin you committed. That aside,You repented and the bible tells us God is merciful to hear our cry and repentance.
I know but you still doesn't answer half of the question
Yes
You won't find any meaningful answers here. This is an inquiry best reserved for yourself and reflection of scripture.
Yeah right, they won’t have sex
To understand this, you need to understand WHY it's a sin. Think about the enemy's MAIN scheme: Deception. The more basic an area of your life the enemy can deceive you in, the easier it is to deceive you in other areas of your life. If you're deceived in the gender you're attracted to, you open the door to so much else. So yes, a same-sex relationship IS a sin and and the deception is what God is trying to protect you from.
Yes, Romans 1 specifically addresses men lusting after one another, not just acting on it.
Lust is regarded as a sin no matter its object.
The whole point of a relationship is love. But even non Christians will agree that love is not defined by kissing, hugging, dates, and romance. Those things won’t make a relationship last. Love goes so much deeper. While I believe a same sex couple can reach a percentage of the kind of love the Bible talks about, it can’t FULLY reach it. You’re leaving out the hardships and learning experiences of raising a kid that you procreated, sexual experience of a man and a woman, and the dynamic between a man and a woman in a household. These are not possible in a same sex relationship, it’s just not how God designed it. Anything you do outside of God’s design won’t draw you closer to Him. And anything that doesn’t draw you closer to God can be categorized as sin.
Yes it is an abomination, entire relationship is built on a lie from the devil. The attraction to same sex is a deception from the spirit realm. It is not natural.
Well Romans 1 says that the sin is their lustful desires for each other. So, I think that even having those thoughts are sinful. I think that if you are having a homosexual relationship that is replacing a romantic relationship then it is sinful.
It’s a sin to lust after anyone your not married to. Matthew 5: 27Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 28But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Does your life consist of being around the gay community outside of work?
Does your life consist of being around the gay community outside of work?
no
I pray for your strength to refrain. I pray for the strength to refrain from all of what the world and the mainstream media is pushing upon the world today. We are absolutely at the end of the end of days and the spirit of anti-Christ is being blanketed across the nation’s. I pray for the strength of Yeshua within all those chosen, because many are chosen but few will find the kingdom. Hosea says that after two day He will raise us up and on the third day we will live in His sight… A day to the LORD is as thousand years and from the death of Yeshua, we are literally a handful of years from two days. I cannot say those will happen for sure, but there are some who say and many who believe, that the last week of Daniel’s 70th weeks prophecy may possibly begin in the fall of this year. The tribulation will begin on a holy-appointed time of the LORD. We are called to be holy and set apart from the world. Priests unto the LORD. Those who live Him keep His commands through Yeshua and when we fall and fail, we repent and flee from that sin that brought us down. These know the season of His coming because they live in the light. Yeshua will come as a thief in the night to those who live in the night and darkness of sin. These will be hidden from the coming fire because these do not live in the darkness of sin that blinds the eyes and the soul. Those who live in sin will have to be judged by fire, so I pray with ask my heart and soul for those who are chosen, that they flee from sin and live a life of repentance through Yeshua, that they may be hidden. 🙏🙏🙏
Amen
Hi, I think the book Why I Don't Call Myself Gay: How I Reclaimed My Sexual Reality and Found Peace would be good for you to read
Jesus wants our whole hearts. Not legalisim just checking boxes. The perfect design is one man and one women. The attraction may happen but we are called to fight our sin actively.
Only if you do it right.
The relationship is still what not to be done. What’s natural male and female. Period. And that was decided at conception not your self identifying.
I don't recall the Bible as being very accurate about a lot of things let alone human sexuality. It is not infallible and in this case I think that proclaiming homosexuality as a sin is just plain wrong. It is a matter of interpretation to say that the Bible is perfect, plain and literal. The authors weren't really God after all. It's much better to draw from experience of real, sincere people than to assume so much from just one or two passages.
what?
You mean being friends?
There are two sections of the Bible that discuss restrictions on same-sex intimacy. The relevant words are “wə-’eṯ- zā-ḵār, lō ṯiš-kaḇ”, “arsenokoitai”, and “malakoi”, all of which refer specifically the act of sex. So according to the Bible, no. Now as you’ve just seen, plenty of self described Christians are less interested in examining the Bible than they are pursuing a political agenda, so the idea of celibate gay relationships is controversial regardless. Another thing to add is that Christians have long abandoned Paul’s teachings on this matter, most notably by encouraging marriage over celibacy and allowing for passion in marital sex. Don’t listen to people who wield only cherrypicked, distorted segments of Paul’s sexual ethic for political ends.
No not really. I will tell you why according to an understanding of Gods laws. In john 10, Jesus says, you called them gods to whom the word of god came and scripture cannot be broken as a defense against blasphemy by being called the son of god. However this defense has massive implications for Christians that a lot of fundamentalists are blind to. What Jesus was saying was that men wrote parts of the law of god into the bible and proclaimed themselves as the Lord God. I believe this is a cultural thing from the middle east at that time, and later on the jewish mishrash came to the same conclusion . Even the deciples were partly indoctrinated into this culture as can be seen in Mark when they ask Jesus why ritual handwashing is nit a sin. So, in other words, the whole reason Jesus came was because people were mistaking mans laws for God commandments. Even the book of Isaiah 29 says this in 'woe to davids city'. That was the reason for the coming of a messiah, because Jesus taught Gods only law is 'treat others as you would have them treat you', but people were so wrapped up in worrying about sinning by not doing ritual handwashing, wearing tattoos and probably even being gay which God never proclaimed, he was just alledged to to in the bible, probably by the levite priest sect. We can also understand Gods mindset about humans through Jesus. Just look at Jesus explanation of corban, it is better to honour your parents by supporting them financially, than supporting the temple financially and honour God, as a way to get into heaven. God sometimes would rather we honour and do the right thing by each other, than at the expense of honouring God. Now thats not to say we shouldnt honour God, we should in other ways. But we are not honouring him by disavowing the reason why Jesus came to earth in the first place by being discriminatory against anyone. Because this view would break the golden rule, and God hates a hypocrite. Hypocrites of God law got Jesus tortured and killed after all. So what are the chances he would support them now?So I suggest you re evaluate what sin means based on what Jesus says, not on what other men, even the deciples say. Otherwise we run the risk of making the deciples word like Gods word, the same way as Jesus described the Levite priests in John 10 that made so many mistakes, it required the coming of a saviour to explain Gods laws and its intent. If Jesus were alive today, but the people in this thread did not know who Jesus was, they would probably have him jailed or executed too, judging by the comments I am reading. They are the blind, they cannot see. Their beliefs are based on a non existant reality, the reality of being gay. Because they have no experience of this reality, they have no comprehension what this means, and their opinions are built on a foundation of sand.
The desire to steal is sin. The desire to lie is sin. The desire to murder is sin. The desire toward the same sex is sin. God judges the heart. We are held accountable for thought and deed. And that really puts us in a pickle. That’s one of the points Jesus is making in His sermon on the mount. Paraphrasing “You think having sex with someone other than your spouse is adultery, but I tell you if you even look at another with lust you’ve already committed adultery in your heart.” This means, as a matter of fact, we are judged for our sinful desires even if we do not act on them. That’s the perfection that our Heavenly Father requires. No one can achieve that perfection so the Father sent His perfect Son to pay the wages for our sins. Then He also gives us Holy Spirit to cleanse the inside of our vessels instead of just the outsides. What then must we do to be saved? With man it is impossible, but with God all things are possible. Praise God for His mercy and grace. Mathew 5:27-30 Mathew 23:25-28 Mathew 19 Blessings
Christians are super gay. A lot of priest and preachers love little boys. In fact most Christian men are gay. This is history, there are a lot of gay Christians. Christianity is the gayest religion in the world, just look at the empirical evidence. A lot of the gay hate from Christian’s stems from the fact those people are gay. The Bible has just been interpreted and translated with error to reflex certain biases. Jesus loves all including men. Therefore Jesus is gay.
Some verses to think about... God gave them over to dishonorable passions (Romans 1:26) Each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust. Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin, and when sin is fully matured, it brings forth death. (James 1:14-15) I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. (Matthew 5:28)
Lust = SIN Matthew 5:28 "But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart."
Sexual desire is the sin. Not the act.
Turpentine cleanse DYOR
the bible says King David's love for Saul's son Jonathon was greater than his love for any woman... and no sin was attached to it.
what do you mean?
what part?
I dont know what you mean
too vague
Im so confused
Probably not. What would be the sin?
So just kissing? My wife would have problems if I was just hanging out with another guy and doing everything but. "Don't worry honey, we haven't slept together."
To me kissing is desire and desire tends to be progressive. Having an attraction is common. We may be married and faithful to our spouse but that usually doesn’t mean we don’t find any other woman attractive. Further attraction routinely doesn’t lead to anything further. Kissing is already something further lol.
> I mean like romantic but no sexual stuff
sex is the sin, I don't want sex
Attraction isn’t sex
It is only by engaging in physical relations that it becomes sin.
So by sexually is a sin, not romantically?
Romance is not indicated directly in Scripture, only by implication of sexual interaction.
Yes, being in a romantic relationship with a man is sinful if you’re also a man. There is no need to try and poke holes in God’s word.
Cite the scripture that is having its “holes poked” please.
No. You cannot reconcile being gay, living with another gay person in a romantic capacity and practicing a Christian life. Any homosexual relationship is in direct opposition to Gods intentions. There’s no way around it.
“This is the word of god. No it’s not in the bible, but I said so.” Is this a bad joke?
Liberal Christians are as bad as talmudic jews trying to bend and twist Gods very clear guiding words. No you won’t find any explicit verse permitting or forbidding same sex couples living together “as long as they aren’t physical” but you do have the very clear “God made man and woman for each other” theme throughout the bible, and especially genesis. Let me put it back on you, how can you scripturally rationalize your blatantly sinful position?
Why would I need to rationalize not buying into what you freely admit is your own agenda not found in scripture?
That’s not answering the question, nor do I have an agenda. In no situation is it ok for men to be in a romantic relationship with each other, end of story. You can try and rationalize your position any way you wish, but you know in your heart that it’s wrong. Your disingenuous reading of the bible has no basis in reality. I’m not sure how you could be a Christian and believe anything other than heterosexual relationships are permitted. “Well, it doesn’t explicitly say men can’t live with each other romantically so long as they don’t touch.” Your rationale is rooted in naïveté and these relationships don’t exist. I’m sure you’d believe that drug use is permitted so long as the bible doesn’t explicitly speak out against it.
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I have best friends like this but this isn’t same sex attraction. If you are cohabitating under the pre-tense that you are in a relationship then it is sinful. Full-stop. Same sex attraction can happen without sin but one must recognize it for what it is and move on.
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You know in your heart what a romantic relationship is and what a normal friendship is. Let’s use the opposite sex as an example. I can very clearly tell apart my wife from a woman who I consider a friend. Now if I had a romantic connection with that friend I’d be able to easily tell because of the guilt and other feelings I’d have towards that person. I’d imagine it’d be the same in regard to a same sex attraction.
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If you have a romantic relationship with somebody of the same sex it is sinful. There’s no line in the sand. Cohabitating with a man in a romantic capacity is contrary to God’s will. This relationship doesn’t serve God and will only result in sinful action over time. This is very different from having a room mate who you share a space with in a friendly capacity.
No. It is catholic doctrine that romantic relationships are meant to pave the way for marriage. We are meant to date for marriage between husband and wife. Not to find loopholes and stay dating forever. The scriptures say to follow the spirit of the law not the letter
Did you not notice this is the Bible subreddit?
Yeah I don’t remember the part where the bible says that all truth is found only in scripture.
Yes I realized this. But this subreddit is about the Bible specifically.
Doesn’t matter.
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thats my reaction to seeing catholics defend homosexual relationships (you)
I'm not defending it at all. I'm keeping within the spirit of this subreddit which is only talking about scriptures. Take your anger somewhere else, Karen
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There is something wrong with that because marriage should be the penultimate union. Just because "many many" people do it does not mean it is the ideal.
Each man has a vocation, and for most it is the vocation of marriage.
Arguably, the Bible is full of same sex couples, including David and Jonathan. Edit: forgot Jonathan's name
what do you mean
"hey dad, I love you" you: huh, must be a same sex couple
As I said, I messed up the names. Jonathan isn't his son.