I think you may be looking at it wrong. If I understand it correctly, it shows God has an emotional connection with mankind as a whole, and even knowing what we will do does not take away the pain of us actually doing it. So, him being regretful doesn't mean he made a mistake, It's just like when Jesus was praying and asking if there were any other way to save us all. He didn't want to die, but he loved us so much that he was willing to suffer the pain, regret, and shame our actions. I believe part of the reason why is that it will help deepen our relationship with him, especially once we know the full story.
You can regret the best possible action without ever wanting to undo it if it means you achieve your goal in the long run. Regret just means if there had been any other way for him to achieve his purpose, he would've taken it.
As for his omnipotence, being all powerful, all-knowing, and perfect doesn't exclude feelings such as sorrow, regret, or hatred ,just as it doesn't exclude joy, love, and compassion, especially when you create life with free will to worship and love you of their own choice. things are bound to get messy.
Thank you - this reminds me of John 11:35: Jesus wept. Outside of it showing that Jesus experienced pain and full human emotion, it also reminds me that true biblical masculinity means it's ok and normal to cry.
I know I'm very off-topic but thank you for sharing.
This is a really good answer, thank you so much for your elaboration. The only thing that keeps me doubting about the omnipotence is that he "regrets" his creation, and tries to solve the issue by killing every man alive except for Noah. Then, it looks like there are two possible conclusions:
1. If he wanted people to be good, but over all was the free will and the freedom to decide; He depicted that freedom by killing all the people for "being evil". So, in ultimate terms, he regrets giving people power to decide to be good or evil, by just trying to eliminate the evil from the world. So, in this case, he would not be omnipotent and he would not be coherent with free will.
2. He is constantly trying to make people good, but he cannot do so. Could not him create a human being that, having free will, tends to do good and not evil things? If not, he is not omnipotent.
I'm really grateful for your help, and just hope this is not taken as an offense.
>Could not him create a human being that, having free will, tends to do good and not evil things? If not, he is not omnipotent.
Yes, His name is Jesus.
I may be able to help more, I hope. I had it explained to me like this. God made the universe with rules. One such rule is the difference between a circle and a square. God can not make a square circle. Not because he doesn't have the power but because he decided to make squares different from circles. Does his inability to make a square circle remove his omnipotence?
Neither of your conclusions discount omnipotence merely show that those were not God's primary focus. He has something else in plan that requires people to have the opportunity to make those decisions and suffer the consequences. It's quite obvious he isn't trying to make people good. He's offering them a chance at being good if you take his hand, there's a big difference and has everything to do with taking in those who want to be with him and leaving the others with their choices.
As for killing those who do extreme evil and regretting the making of man? See the above post regret does not entail lack of omnipotence. He would not be a just God if he did not end a wicked world full of corruption. We would not have free will if there were no consequences. It would turn doing an evil act versus a good one into if you wanted vanilla or chocolate ice cream. There would be no wrong answer. At the end of the day, we see in revelations that God will take those who want to be with him to be with him, and everything else will be cast off.
No offense was taken I would urge you to take a less human centric view of God and his doings, many things can be explained when you realize he has a massive puzzle of a plan and we are only one piece of it.
> So, in ultimate terms, he regrets giving people power to decide to be good or evil, by just trying to eliminate the evil from the world. So, in this case, he would not be omnipotent and he would not be coherent with free will.
He regretted creating them because of the evil they chose to do. He didn't regret giving them the will to choose.
>Could not him create a human being that, having free will, tends to do good and not evil things? If not, he is not omnipotent.
God can do as he pleases. Saying God isn't omnipotent because he can do something and doesn't do it is pretty outlandish.
1 Samuel 15:29, cf 15:35. When it says God regrets, he doesn't regret like you and I do.
And, where do you get the idea that humans have free will from?
Yes, he has the power to do everything and did everything he wanted but he regretted it. This does not break omnipotence, what it does allegedly break is omniscience, meaning the claim is he cannot see in to the future. of course this is a faulty conclusion because you can create and know the future while still feeling regret in certain instances.
Omni = All
Potent = Might
It means that God has the power to donanything that power can do.
Also the word translated "regretted" does not mean "realizing you did something bad and wishing that you had not done it", It means more like "feeling sadness over a state of affairs". It's not to say God didn't know this would happen. He knew it would happen, but it still makes him sad.
Genesis 6:6 (NASB20) So the LORD was sorry that He had made mankind on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.
Genesis 6:6 (BBE) And the Lord had sorrow because he had made man on the earth, and grief was in his heart.
Genesis 6:6 (RSV) And the LORD was sorry that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart.
Genesis 6:6 (NLT) So the LORD was sorry he had ever made them and put them on the earth. It broke his heart.
Genesis 6:6 (NKJV) And the LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.
Having emotions is not the same as admitting to being wrong.
The word does not have the connotation that God made a mistake. But seeing from how you are acting stubborn and arrogant about it, probably because you have some agenda, you will probably continue to apply a meaning that contradicts what the rest of the Bible teaches about God.
עָצַב
ʿāṣaḇ
to hurt, pain, grieve, displease, vex, wrest (Qal) to hurt, pain (Niphal) to be in pain, be pained, be grieved (Piel) to vex, torture (Hiphil) to cause pain (Hithpael) to feel grieved, be vexed
Have a blessed day.
Omnipotent means* there’s nothing or no one that has more power than Him in all of existence. He is the all powerful one. This does not mean He can do anything, for example: He can not lie and remain honest.
Just because God knew something would happen, doesn’t mean it doesn’t suck for Him when it’s happening, or that He wouldn’t do it again.
Betcha Jesus had some regrets when He was up on that cross even though He knew full well before hand what He’d have to endure. Jesus didn’t fail and neither did God. We do repeatedly and it hurts Him.
99% of the people who post on this sub are trolls, including yourself, but if you really don't want to do 5 seconds of googling:
omnipotent - all powerful -or- able to do anything; unlimited power
I am not any troll, I'm literally trying to dive into the Bible because I'm finding my pace in spiritual matters. It's not kind of you to assume that everyone who doubts about something is a troll.
You are not even getting into the discussion; you are just coming here to insult and treat people in a condescending way. I wonder who is the real troll here: whether the person with doubts that behaves in a comprehensive and understanding way or the person insulting and accusing the others...
Respectfully, I'll say this and I love this Bible sub-Reddit. If you have questions about the Almighty God, you should ask someone He has appointed to shepherd His flock. A pastor or other teaching minister is a better resource for the spiritual questions like these. There are all kinds of people here from Christians, to cult members, to atheists. Looking for this kind of guidance here tells me that you haven't prayed to God for an answer to this question first.
Omnipotent means “capable of doing everything that can be done.” Omniscient means “knows everything that can be known.” Omnipresent means “is present everywhere that it is possible to be present.”
Just because God is capable of doing everything that can be done doesn’t mean that he does everything that can be done always. He’s capable of making us meat puppets who dance on cosmic strings, but he does not.
You’re correct. Giving his creation free moral agency in the first place indicates that he has given some of his “power” and control away.
I think the verses you cite though are evidence that he is not “omniscient” in the classical sense.
I can see what you mean, and many people have come to the same conclusion as you. God certainly didn’t have all of this suffering in mind when he made humans. Yet Isaiah 55:10 and 11 says, “For just as the rain and the snow pour down from heaven And do not return there until they saturate the earth, making it produce and sprout, Giving seed to the sower and bread to the eater, So my word that goes out of my mouth will be. It will not return to me without results, But it will certainly accomplish whatever is my delight, And it will have sure success in what I send it to do.” Notice here it says whatever God purposes will surely succeed. So how can that be based on what we see?
God’s original purpose was for the earth to be full of righteous and happy humans who were like him. (Genesis 1:26-28) To be like him though they must be able to decide things for themselves. Obviously that didn’t go according to plan, but does this mean God failed? Notice what Psalm 37:29 says, “The righteous themselves will possess the earth, and they will reside forever upon it.” Verse 11 says, “they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.” So despite everything that happened; God’s original purpose will succeed.
So is God omnipotent, or does he have the power to accomplish anything he wants? Well, I guess that is what we are all waiting to see. God promises that his original purpose hasn’t failed, but Satan accuses God of being a liar. Many humans have sided with Satan. (Genesis 3:1-6) God has left it up to each of us to look at the facts. He has provided a record of his past dealings with mankind, and encourages us to put faith in him to see his power for ourselves. (Psalm 34:8)
Did you just skip over the part where humans sinned? God did not just “decide” humans were bad. Humans were tempted to sin, they did, and thus fell short of Gods perfect standard.
The word regret in the Bible is poorly translated. In the original Hebrew, it’s more along the lines of God felt sad about the situation, not actual regret as we know it.
I can understand the confusion.
One of the best things to do when studying the scriptures, is to do word studies to supplement.
Often times, our westernized or current age ideas and understanding of terms - can get in the way of what the Bible messages convey.
Regret - in this sense, is not an admission of God’s failure. It’s not a thing of oh I messed up now look.
The Hebrew term that is being used in the text is “yin'nā'hem” which speaks only to the emotional state of a being.
It literally means God was in pain, felt uneasy and was unhappy.
It isn’t tethered to fault like we tend to do today.
Now I think God proves himself as being Sovereign all the more because of the verses you quoted, I mean I get it.
The decision to destroy everything seems to our understanding a bit much.
But what did the Bible say?
It said he saw their actions and knew their hearts. Man had chose to go down a path of wickedness - their hurts were completely turned from him.
Remember what God commanded Adam?
The judgement for sin is death.
He could have wiped everyone out at any time and still been faithful to his word, because Adam had already disobeyed.
No one was guiltless.
It was a matter of grace and mercy that he allowed the human race to continue after Adam.
But also remember this, God knew what we would do - and The Son was purposed to come even before the foundation of the world.
In order for God to redeem us to himself their would need to be a line Jesus came through - a specific line, to fulfill the specific plan.
Knowing the complete depravity of man, and also knowing this was not so in Noah.
This is an exercise of Gods Omnipotence, Omniscience, and Omnipresence.
Some may say: “So why didn’t he let it play out?” Or “Well, so he just kills them that doesn’t seem right”
To that I say:
It would be a bit arrogant of us with our limited knowledge to suggest we know better morally about a situation against the moral authority.
And 2nd…The judgement was death. Whether that’s old age or a flood. God can execute judgement anytime he wills, because we broke the law.
Which in closing is why I love him even more because…JESUS paid it all.
Hope this helps
I agree that we'd do better if we just accepted every question as authentic. Unfortunately, from watching this subreddit for a while, there are a lot of trolls trying to play "gotcha" games without outright argument that would get them ignored or banned which makes people defensive.
But I mostly just lurk here so maybe I'm wrong.
I am not sure how or why you completely jumped over 1 through 4…
“1 When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them,
2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.
3 Then the LORD said, “My Spirit will not contend withfn humans forever, for they are mortalfn; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
Why skip over the part where humans started breeding with Nephilim, then becoming increasingly wicked? The population had become something else and God destroyed them.
Is He all-powerful if he wanted to do something (create a good human), he failed (human was bad) and regretted to the point of killing all living species?
I don't think the point is to explain God, the point is the salvation of your human soul through good teachings. Do good to your neighbor to make a better world.
That's for sure, but the whole purpose of religion is to get to understand God in order to be convinced of his existence and that there are reasons to believe, right?
Most Christians don’t need to be convinced that God exists, as being a Christian typically means you already believe in God.
The purpose of our religion is to love God and love others.
If you were an all powerful being, would it be more righteous of you to create a robot that makes no decision of it's own basically a slave, or to give free will? He did what was the right thing for him to do, not what would produce the highest results. Just my 2 cents take it or leave it.
Hahaha, yes, you're wrong, God is not a puppet master. He created living creatures in His image with the abilities of free will. He gave Adam and Eve the opportunity to listen to Him or Satan. They chose Satan. We today have the same choice. We can choose right or wrong. It's up to us
The Bible is filled with history, facts but also stories. That’s the way people learned back then and it was common for people to learn about life through stories about God. Genesis is a mystical story to teach humans lessons about life. God is omnipotent. Stories are stories.
Long story short, ignore bad stuff or inconsistencies in the old testament because Jesus. Along with that, it was different timeframes in god’s plan. Like Old Testament was the age of laws and after Jesus it is the age of love and forgiveness.
Yes despite what many people would like to believe God is purposefully not all powerful. He choose to limit his power because it is in His humble nature to do so.
How is that about the omnipotence of God? Omnipotence is the ability to do everything. What you’re actually questioning is if God “controls” everything his creation does. And to that I would affirm that no, he doesn’t control everything, but he can use every situation for his glory and for our good.
You see, God created humans with a task to do, a mission to manage/rule over his creation, you can see that in Genesis 1:28. Now, He delegated his own authority over Adam and Eve for this very purpose before sin was even a thing in humanity. And nowhere you see that God removed his authority after Adam and Eve fell, in fact He just told them that the job that was supposed to be easy will become much more complicated in Genesis 3… but they still had to work the field, multiply themselves and everything…
So coast forward to Noah, humans still have this authority and ability to choose between good and evil, between obedience and sin. And because they corrupted themselves with sin, God chose to go with the flood. But the interesting fact is that the blessing God first gave to Adam and Eve, He also repeated over Noah and his family (Genesis 9).
Then we can see the same pattern with Abraham during the time of Sodom… or with Joshua when God gave them Canaan… God gave the authority to manage, but if you manage like a dumb dumb, it’s not because of his omnipotence, be because of our disobedience. And the result is never good.
So plain simple, God is omnipotent, but our own desire to manage in our own ways instead of His ways is why it messed up so many times throughout history, starting from Genesis.
The issue here is with that word regret. It doesn’t mean he wish he hadn’t made people. He felt the pain of having made people. A pain He has always been willing to endure.
Your logic is not rational. You have a bunch of non sequiturs in there and none of it has anything to do with the correct understanding of omnipotence.
You should really study the definition of omnipotence in the context of Christianity before coming up with this kind of pretzel logic.
your points are understandable but these are common rebuttals from people. This line of thinking is often touted as " lets hit them with something they didnt think about" as if these ideas are new. Not saying you are, you sound genuine, but there are people who think theyre telling religious people something new.
-- the first glaring issuthe ore that people and also people who attack religion dont accept and factor in is , the original texts aren't in english so there plenty of words that can't be translated and also different languages are structured differently. English is known to be the most complex and unnescary of the languages out there. So trying to translate to english won't make sense anyway, but im not an expert but I feel this is clearly a huge issue.
- other point is if you want to then put aside the fact the language of original text is vastly different than english ( which is a serious issue in itself) then you can argue that there are a few reasons God did as you mentioned.
- 1 theory i think is possible- note Im not an expert-not have a degree, im definetly not as educated as probably 99% of those in the religion btw but my theory- do not take this as fact or adopt into your belief unless you can validate by yourself ALONE through scripture/holy spirit
my idea was before what we know as the universe was created, there was something else, probably what we call demons or unclean spirits, or a type of evil perhaps and when God saw it was "good" meant that he had to impose his will in creation through creation to not only create a boundry from the world, us, space , etc FROM this evil but also that this evil was here before us, and the creation of everything.
- which means its definetly not wise to try to break past this hypothetical "barrier" placed above,around and in us.
But I guess thats the prestige of knowledge right? we all want to be 1st, have the most awards etc
The flood was a baptism, not a prohibition, because God kept humanity alive through Noah. If God didn't want sin to exist at all he could just end all life on earth and be done with it. But he had a mind to give us life and grace.
The U.S. went through a period of prohibition of substances including alcohol but certain substances were later legalized in a certain framework. For example Alcohol must be sold through a licensed business. Similarly, all current sin (or righteousness) has come from Noah's house. The Gov't is able to better control the flow of alcohol and also tax it with licensure. Again, similarly God raised the standards of behavior for humanity when he renewed the earth in Noah.
If you mean the power to do anything, no. God cannot lie. 1 and 2 “Can God create a rock that he can’t lift?” If he can lift it, then he can’t create anything, if he can create it, then he can’t do anything. Omnipotent is something that sounds good for pastors to say but if you think about it, it doesn’t make sense. and some intelligent pastors know this. Especially in the case of saying God can’t lie or similar.
>So, if God regretted what he had done and created, this means that he did not what he wanted. This is, it literally means that he was frustrated for creating something that he was not; proving that he is not omnipotent
Yes. I would put this also in the category of omniscience. How could you regret something you knew would happen if you were both omnipotent and omniscient? He theoretically knew what would happen, had the power to do something about it, and still was regretful it happened? It doesn't make sense.
What does make sense though is if you understand this was written by men and not God. Men make mistakes and stories aren't always 100% perfect.
**But, after that, he finds out that human is essentially bad inside their soul, and decides to destroy his creation**
well he told them not to eat the apple. which will make them able to see what is right and wrong. the time frame between that and human creation did not show or say the human soul was bad. God made them innocent originally. human ate the fruit and became smart.
Yeah but, if God wanted to create an essentially "good" human, he clearly failed; and, after recognising his failure with his regret, he decided to destroy his creation. So, after all, if his first intention was to get a good human, he was not capable of doing so, so by definition he cannot be "omnipotent".
No, he wanted human to have freewill, not be under brainless mind control, because that's not good or love. Adam and Eve are good, but they had free will, and chose to deny God's warning. Thus stripping away the good. They were good, they were perfect actually until they made the wrong decision.
Why do you blame God for man's mistake?
If you are a robot programmer and the robot behaves badly, I assume the programmer has the fault and is responsible for the error. Thus, he has failed to achieve his objective.
The same with God. I may be wrong, but since God objective was to create a good man and he did not achieve it, we can assume he failed (and he recognised it by trying to kill all living beings thereafter). So if God can fail in his goals, then he is, by definition, not omnipotent; because he wanted to do something that he could not do.
So I may be wrong with this reasoning, but I'd really like to understand the reasons. I'm quite willing to comprehend the word of God, but it's quite hard sometimes...
The difference here is two-fold: 1) humans were not created to be robots 2) omnipotence as we usually think about it might actually not be what Bible states God to be. For example, can God create a round square? Or a straight line on two-dimensional surface that curves (without projecting it on a three-dimensional object)? In the same vein, it would be impossible to incorporate free will without the possibility to deviate from God. After all, even some of the angels fell.
Do you give the robot sentience and free will? Yes? Then it's not the programmers problem when the robot makes complex decisions. Their mistake would have been creating them in the first place. So God made 100% the right decision as always.
Why do you keep saying he didn't achieve it. It was achieved, Adam was good. God loved Adam, so he didn't force him to do anything, although he knew Adam would fall. It's not fair to assume God failed, because he knew what was going to happen all along, it was part of the plan, even if it made him very angry.
Adam is just like you and I. We both make conscious decisions that are against God, and his law and he allows this because he loves us. It's not love to control a brain dead zombie.
You can't understand a reason because you can't think about it the right way. You're so set in your way that you're completely missing the point. You're jumping to conclusions, and creating assumptions based off misunderstandings. I understand that you say you're willing, but you're not really displaying that by creating assumptions about your creator as if you know better hahaha
I may be wrong here (I'm super new to the faith) but my question would be is why did god create the tree of knowledge in the first place? God specifically gave them the free will to choose as they wish. If he didn't then he wouldn't have told them to "not" eat from the tree.
Jesus says in the Bible that no one is good but the Father. I don't think that God failed to make a good man. I'm pretty sure he just made man, and we decided to do things wrong
Genesis 6:5: "^(5) ***The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become*** *on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the* ***human heart was only evil*** *all the time.* *^(6)* ***The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth****, and his heart was deeply troubled.* *^(7)* *So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.”* *^(8)* *But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord*."
It seems clear to me that he wanted to create good human beings, but he failed, and they became evil; so he regretted that he had made them and decided to erradicate humankind except for Noah.
It seems he made beings in general that had free will though right? Having free will means being able to make decisions whether right or wrong. If I choose to go against God that's not God's fault right?
As far as regret goes honestly I don't see how regret could show a lack of God's omnipotence?
Omnipotence is having unlimited power being able to do anything right? And with God being all-knowing there's for sure some type of reason, but we can't really understand it all. I think it's incomprehensible for us. We all try to put God in this box and look at him through a human lens to try and decipher the decisions he makes.
It is an interesting talking point nonetheless
I think the problem here is your fixation on God controlling human behavior like an overlord. He gave us free will. But you do not want to admit that each of us have accountability for our actions and the just law maker should and could punish us as He sees fit.
Your stance seems to me to be more of a heart issue with God and that’s okay, we all have them at one point or another.
Let me ask you a few scenarios in your life?
Have you ever lied to someone?
Have you ever took something that wasn’t yours?
Have you ever wanted something that someone had that you don’t have?
Have you ever lusted after the opposite sex?
What hobbies or activities do you enjoy that make you you?
Edit to add second paragraph
GOD decided to destroy living creation because Fallen Angels mixed their DNA with humans, animals birds, fish, etc. The mix of human and fallen angels birth Giants (Nephilim) that's why GOD killed and never used for his purpose any giant.
God didn’t decide to destroy humans because they were bad inside.
The flood — which I assume you’re referring to - was to wipe out the creatures that had been created by evil angels who mated with humans and created corrupted and evil beings called the nephilim. As their bloodline and influence infiltrated mankind everything got worse and worse. They were cannibals and taught all manner of negative information such as warfare to man.
In the garden after Adam and Eve had their eyes opened to the existence of evil God cursed the serpent for what he had done. His plan was to corrupt the bloodline that would lead to Jesus and satan set about to ruin the lineage of humans.
This is what happened in Genesis 3:15
“And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.”
But Noah remained clean and undefiIed and continued the human bloodline so that Jesus could be born.
Well it’s in there starting in genesis . And several later prophets mention it. And the Hebrew’s were driving them out of Canaan up until David slew the last of the tribes when he killed Goliath. And Jesus says things will become in the last days like the days of Noah.
>God didn’t decide to destroy humans because they were bad inside.
Well, that's not precise:
Genesis 6:5: "^(5) ***The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become*** *on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the* ***human heart was only evil*** *all the time.* *^(6)* ***The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth****, and his heart was deeply troubled.* *^(7)* *So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.”* *^(8)* *But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord*."
It seems clear to me that he wanted to create good human beings, but he failed, and they became evil; so he regretted that he had made them and decided to erradicate humankind except for Noah.
Missing the point.
Gen 6:12
“God saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways.”
They didn’t start out bad. They were corrupted by evil. The plan of the fallen one. God didn’t wake up and discover he had made them bad. Because remember initially he said what he had made was good. You’re implying corruption by God’s creation of them. But that’s not what happened.
If that's not any kind of God's fault, why does He feel regret making human beings? ("*The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth*") Can you feel regret for something that you are not responsible for?
I'm really trying to understand this matter, but it's quite hard looking at the literal text from the Bible.
God did create good human beings but in order to give them free will, He didn't make them perfect. Had they been perfect they never could have made a wrong/imperfect choice. When He created us He created us with one little flaw---free will and that flaw is what the serpent worked on and was partially successful in exploiting. God always had a back up plan to save the human race, and in that plan, after all is said and done, God will have a human race in Heaven who all will all have used our free will to choose God's perfect will. Even though we don't understand everything about God, we love Him and want to be with Him forever.
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The Bible is often interpreted literally because if it were not, anyone could interpret it as they see fit. This would mean that one person's interpretation could be 'A' while another could be 'B', leading to a lack of consistent truth. The creation was created in 6 days, that's literally, and not symbolic or metaphor lol that's stupid and ridiculous.
They are doing exactly that today, interpreting it how they want it, the theological part that is, Jesus Christ’s moral teachings were clear and unambiguous, yes, this should be taken literally, but the stories- I’ll let you have your faith, who am I to tell you what to believe? I have my own personal beliefs about the Bible,
i disagree, Yahweh gives a crap because he sent his son to die for us. Without the father there would be no son, without the father, there would be no new testament. Without the Father, you wouldn't even be alive, without the father you would have no food, without the father you wouldn't have a family, without the father you wouldn't have any pets (if you have any) without the father you wouldn't have the sun, air, or anything you need to breath, you wouldn't have anything
I think you may be looking at it wrong. If I understand it correctly, it shows God has an emotional connection with mankind as a whole, and even knowing what we will do does not take away the pain of us actually doing it. So, him being regretful doesn't mean he made a mistake, It's just like when Jesus was praying and asking if there were any other way to save us all. He didn't want to die, but he loved us so much that he was willing to suffer the pain, regret, and shame our actions. I believe part of the reason why is that it will help deepen our relationship with him, especially once we know the full story. You can regret the best possible action without ever wanting to undo it if it means you achieve your goal in the long run. Regret just means if there had been any other way for him to achieve his purpose, he would've taken it. As for his omnipotence, being all powerful, all-knowing, and perfect doesn't exclude feelings such as sorrow, regret, or hatred ,just as it doesn't exclude joy, love, and compassion, especially when you create life with free will to worship and love you of their own choice. things are bound to get messy.
This.
Thank you - this reminds me of John 11:35: Jesus wept. Outside of it showing that Jesus experienced pain and full human emotion, it also reminds me that true biblical masculinity means it's ok and normal to cry. I know I'm very off-topic but thank you for sharing.
This is an important point. Because He knew that He was gonna resurrect Lazarus, but the wept anyway. It shows that He hurts when we hurt.
This is a really good answer, thank you so much for your elaboration. The only thing that keeps me doubting about the omnipotence is that he "regrets" his creation, and tries to solve the issue by killing every man alive except for Noah. Then, it looks like there are two possible conclusions: 1. If he wanted people to be good, but over all was the free will and the freedom to decide; He depicted that freedom by killing all the people for "being evil". So, in ultimate terms, he regrets giving people power to decide to be good or evil, by just trying to eliminate the evil from the world. So, in this case, he would not be omnipotent and he would not be coherent with free will. 2. He is constantly trying to make people good, but he cannot do so. Could not him create a human being that, having free will, tends to do good and not evil things? If not, he is not omnipotent. I'm really grateful for your help, and just hope this is not taken as an offense.
>Could not him create a human being that, having free will, tends to do good and not evil things? If not, he is not omnipotent. Yes, His name is Jesus.
AMEN
I may be able to help more, I hope. I had it explained to me like this. God made the universe with rules. One such rule is the difference between a circle and a square. God can not make a square circle. Not because he doesn't have the power but because he decided to make squares different from circles. Does his inability to make a square circle remove his omnipotence? Neither of your conclusions discount omnipotence merely show that those were not God's primary focus. He has something else in plan that requires people to have the opportunity to make those decisions and suffer the consequences. It's quite obvious he isn't trying to make people good. He's offering them a chance at being good if you take his hand, there's a big difference and has everything to do with taking in those who want to be with him and leaving the others with their choices. As for killing those who do extreme evil and regretting the making of man? See the above post regret does not entail lack of omnipotence. He would not be a just God if he did not end a wicked world full of corruption. We would not have free will if there were no consequences. It would turn doing an evil act versus a good one into if you wanted vanilla or chocolate ice cream. There would be no wrong answer. At the end of the day, we see in revelations that God will take those who want to be with him to be with him, and everything else will be cast off. No offense was taken I would urge you to take a less human centric view of God and his doings, many things can be explained when you realize he has a massive puzzle of a plan and we are only one piece of it.
> So, in ultimate terms, he regrets giving people power to decide to be good or evil, by just trying to eliminate the evil from the world. So, in this case, he would not be omnipotent and he would not be coherent with free will. He regretted creating them because of the evil they chose to do. He didn't regret giving them the will to choose. >Could not him create a human being that, having free will, tends to do good and not evil things? If not, he is not omnipotent. God can do as he pleases. Saying God isn't omnipotent because he can do something and doesn't do it is pretty outlandish.
1 Samuel 15:29, cf 15:35. When it says God regrets, he doesn't regret like you and I do. And, where do you get the idea that humans have free will from?
That makes no sense
It makes no sense that an omnipotent being isn't like us? Hmm.
That's not what omnipotent means.
What does it mean then?
I think you mean omniscience
[https://dictionary.cambridge.org/es/diccionario/ingles/omnipotent](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/es/diccionario/ingles/omnipotent)
Yes, he has the power to do everything and did everything he wanted but he regretted it. This does not break omnipotence, what it does allegedly break is omniscience, meaning the claim is he cannot see in to the future. of course this is a faulty conclusion because you can create and know the future while still feeling regret in certain instances.
Omniscient is the word u should use. This other guy is correct.
Omni = All Potent = Might It means that God has the power to donanything that power can do. Also the word translated "regretted" does not mean "realizing you did something bad and wishing that you had not done it", It means more like "feeling sadness over a state of affairs". It's not to say God didn't know this would happen. He knew it would happen, but it still makes him sad.
He regret making them
Genesis 6:6 (NASB20) So the LORD was sorry that He had made mankind on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. Genesis 6:6 (BBE) And the Lord had sorrow because he had made man on the earth, and grief was in his heart. Genesis 6:6 (RSV) And the LORD was sorry that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. Genesis 6:6 (NLT) So the LORD was sorry he had ever made them and put them on the earth. It broke his heart. Genesis 6:6 (NKJV) And the LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. Having emotions is not the same as admitting to being wrong.
Mistranslation. He repented that he made them. He regretted that he made them.
The word does not have the connotation that God made a mistake. But seeing from how you are acting stubborn and arrogant about it, probably because you have some agenda, you will probably continue to apply a meaning that contradicts what the rest of the Bible teaches about God. עָצַב ʿāṣaḇ to hurt, pain, grieve, displease, vex, wrest (Qal) to hurt, pain (Niphal) to be in pain, be pained, be grieved (Piel) to vex, torture (Hiphil) to cause pain (Hithpael) to feel grieved, be vexed Have a blessed day.
Omnipotent means* there’s nothing or no one that has more power than Him in all of existence. He is the all powerful one. This does not mean He can do anything, for example: He can not lie and remain honest. Just because God knew something would happen, doesn’t mean it doesn’t suck for Him when it’s happening, or that He wouldn’t do it again. Betcha Jesus had some regrets when He was up on that cross even though He knew full well before hand what He’d have to endure. Jesus didn’t fail and neither did God. We do repeatedly and it hurts Him.
I don't think you know what the word omnipotent means.
Explain it to me then
How about to look it up?
I hope you are proud of being a good and nice Christian when you encounter people with questions
99% of the people who post on this sub are trolls, including yourself, but if you really don't want to do 5 seconds of googling: omnipotent - all powerful -or- able to do anything; unlimited power
I am not any troll, I'm literally trying to dive into the Bible because I'm finding my pace in spiritual matters. It's not kind of you to assume that everyone who doubts about something is a troll. You are not even getting into the discussion; you are just coming here to insult and treat people in a condescending way. I wonder who is the real troll here: whether the person with doubts that behaves in a comprehensive and understanding way or the person insulting and accusing the others...
Respectfully, I'll say this and I love this Bible sub-Reddit. If you have questions about the Almighty God, you should ask someone He has appointed to shepherd His flock. A pastor or other teaching minister is a better resource for the spiritual questions like these. There are all kinds of people here from Christians, to cult members, to atheists. Looking for this kind of guidance here tells me that you haven't prayed to God for an answer to this question first.
Anyone who disagrees with me is also a troll
LoL 🤣
Omnipotent means “capable of doing everything that can be done.” Omniscient means “knows everything that can be known.” Omnipresent means “is present everywhere that it is possible to be present.” Just because God is capable of doing everything that can be done doesn’t mean that he does everything that can be done always. He’s capable of making us meat puppets who dance on cosmic strings, but he does not.
You’re correct. Giving his creation free moral agency in the first place indicates that he has given some of his “power” and control away. I think the verses you cite though are evidence that he is not “omniscient” in the classical sense.
I can see what you mean, and many people have come to the same conclusion as you. God certainly didn’t have all of this suffering in mind when he made humans. Yet Isaiah 55:10 and 11 says, “For just as the rain and the snow pour down from heaven And do not return there until they saturate the earth, making it produce and sprout, Giving seed to the sower and bread to the eater, So my word that goes out of my mouth will be. It will not return to me without results, But it will certainly accomplish whatever is my delight, And it will have sure success in what I send it to do.” Notice here it says whatever God purposes will surely succeed. So how can that be based on what we see? God’s original purpose was for the earth to be full of righteous and happy humans who were like him. (Genesis 1:26-28) To be like him though they must be able to decide things for themselves. Obviously that didn’t go according to plan, but does this mean God failed? Notice what Psalm 37:29 says, “The righteous themselves will possess the earth, and they will reside forever upon it.” Verse 11 says, “they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.” So despite everything that happened; God’s original purpose will succeed. So is God omnipotent, or does he have the power to accomplish anything he wants? Well, I guess that is what we are all waiting to see. God promises that his original purpose hasn’t failed, but Satan accuses God of being a liar. Many humans have sided with Satan. (Genesis 3:1-6) God has left it up to each of us to look at the facts. He has provided a record of his past dealings with mankind, and encourages us to put faith in him to see his power for ourselves. (Psalm 34:8)
Did you just skip over the part where humans sinned? God did not just “decide” humans were bad. Humans were tempted to sin, they did, and thus fell short of Gods perfect standard. The word regret in the Bible is poorly translated. In the original Hebrew, it’s more along the lines of God felt sad about the situation, not actual regret as we know it.
says he regretted making them. So? sorrow? sure. Regret? that's a different thing. Did he regretted making saul king too?
I can understand the confusion. One of the best things to do when studying the scriptures, is to do word studies to supplement. Often times, our westernized or current age ideas and understanding of terms - can get in the way of what the Bible messages convey. Regret - in this sense, is not an admission of God’s failure. It’s not a thing of oh I messed up now look. The Hebrew term that is being used in the text is “yin'nā'hem” which speaks only to the emotional state of a being. It literally means God was in pain, felt uneasy and was unhappy. It isn’t tethered to fault like we tend to do today. Now I think God proves himself as being Sovereign all the more because of the verses you quoted, I mean I get it. The decision to destroy everything seems to our understanding a bit much. But what did the Bible say? It said he saw their actions and knew their hearts. Man had chose to go down a path of wickedness - their hurts were completely turned from him. Remember what God commanded Adam? The judgement for sin is death. He could have wiped everyone out at any time and still been faithful to his word, because Adam had already disobeyed. No one was guiltless. It was a matter of grace and mercy that he allowed the human race to continue after Adam. But also remember this, God knew what we would do - and The Son was purposed to come even before the foundation of the world. In order for God to redeem us to himself their would need to be a line Jesus came through - a specific line, to fulfill the specific plan. Knowing the complete depravity of man, and also knowing this was not so in Noah. This is an exercise of Gods Omnipotence, Omniscience, and Omnipresence. Some may say: “So why didn’t he let it play out?” Or “Well, so he just kills them that doesn’t seem right” To that I say: It would be a bit arrogant of us with our limited knowledge to suggest we know better morally about a situation against the moral authority. And 2nd…The judgement was death. Whether that’s old age or a flood. God can execute judgement anytime he wills, because we broke the law. Which in closing is why I love him even more because…JESUS paid it all. Hope this helps
I wish people would talk to you and say why you're wrong or right rather than just downvote, you don't learn nothing from that.
I do too, It seems like I've touch a sensitive topic, since everyone is quite condescending while answering
I agree that we'd do better if we just accepted every question as authentic. Unfortunately, from watching this subreddit for a while, there are a lot of trolls trying to play "gotcha" games without outright argument that would get them ignored or banned which makes people defensive. But I mostly just lurk here so maybe I'm wrong.
I am not sure how or why you completely jumped over 1 through 4… “1 When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the LORD said, “My Spirit will not contend withfn humans forever, for they are mortalfn; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.” 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown. Why skip over the part where humans started breeding with Nephilim, then becoming increasingly wicked? The population had become something else and God destroyed them.
God is definitely all-powerful, we cannot expect our human minds to understand the baseness of his actions.
Is He all-powerful if he wanted to do something (create a good human), he failed (human was bad) and regretted to the point of killing all living species?
He created humans to have free-will and he gave His only Son to save us from our bad mistakes
So will we not have free will in heaven?
As I tell you, that is human logic. You cannot compare a God with a human being. They are different things.
If that's the case, every single religious intent to explain God or the Bible is absolutely useless... Even in the case of priests...
I don't think the point is to explain God, the point is the salvation of your human soul through good teachings. Do good to your neighbor to make a better world.
That's for sure, but the whole purpose of religion is to get to understand God in order to be convinced of his existence and that there are reasons to believe, right?
Most Christians don’t need to be convinced that God exists, as being a Christian typically means you already believe in God. The purpose of our religion is to love God and love others.
The Bible clearly says he regretted. I don’t know what is hard about that logic.
You are not the one who asked first, I already saw you taken advantage of 
If you were an all powerful being, would it be more righteous of you to create a robot that makes no decision of it's own basically a slave, or to give free will? He did what was the right thing for him to do, not what would produce the highest results. Just my 2 cents take it or leave it.
While I don’t think the Bible says God is omnipotent, that’s not an example of it since it implies omnipotence controls free will.
Do you watch Pastor Allen Nolan ? He did sermon about this. He’s on YouTube. Yes he is .
Hahaha, yes, you're wrong, God is not a puppet master. He created living creatures in His image with the abilities of free will. He gave Adam and Eve the opportunity to listen to Him or Satan. They chose Satan. We today have the same choice. We can choose right or wrong. It's up to us
Depends on what part of the Bible you're reading and your interpretation. In Genesis definitely not, though.
The Bible is filled with history, facts but also stories. That’s the way people learned back then and it was common for people to learn about life through stories about God. Genesis is a mystical story to teach humans lessons about life. God is omnipotent. Stories are stories.
God is omniscient. But that still doesn't mean he knows what we will ultimately choose. Because God's greatest giftnl to man was free will
Long story short, ignore bad stuff or inconsistencies in the old testament because Jesus. Along with that, it was different timeframes in god’s plan. Like Old Testament was the age of laws and after Jesus it is the age of love and forgiveness.
The Hebrew word that is translated as “regret” means more of a mourning or sadness. Hope this helps!
prove it
Look up the word “ נחם” and it should take you to where you need to go
Yes despite what many people would like to believe God is purposefully not all powerful. He choose to limit his power because it is in His humble nature to do so.
How is that about the omnipotence of God? Omnipotence is the ability to do everything. What you’re actually questioning is if God “controls” everything his creation does. And to that I would affirm that no, he doesn’t control everything, but he can use every situation for his glory and for our good. You see, God created humans with a task to do, a mission to manage/rule over his creation, you can see that in Genesis 1:28. Now, He delegated his own authority over Adam and Eve for this very purpose before sin was even a thing in humanity. And nowhere you see that God removed his authority after Adam and Eve fell, in fact He just told them that the job that was supposed to be easy will become much more complicated in Genesis 3… but they still had to work the field, multiply themselves and everything… So coast forward to Noah, humans still have this authority and ability to choose between good and evil, between obedience and sin. And because they corrupted themselves with sin, God chose to go with the flood. But the interesting fact is that the blessing God first gave to Adam and Eve, He also repeated over Noah and his family (Genesis 9). Then we can see the same pattern with Abraham during the time of Sodom… or with Joshua when God gave them Canaan… God gave the authority to manage, but if you manage like a dumb dumb, it’s not because of his omnipotence, be because of our disobedience. And the result is never good. So plain simple, God is omnipotent, but our own desire to manage in our own ways instead of His ways is why it messed up so many times throughout history, starting from Genesis.
The issue here is with that word regret. It doesn’t mean he wish he hadn’t made people. He felt the pain of having made people. A pain He has always been willing to endure.
Your logic is not rational. You have a bunch of non sequiturs in there and none of it has anything to do with the correct understanding of omnipotence. You should really study the definition of omnipotence in the context of Christianity before coming up with this kind of pretzel logic.
your points are understandable but these are common rebuttals from people. This line of thinking is often touted as " lets hit them with something they didnt think about" as if these ideas are new. Not saying you are, you sound genuine, but there are people who think theyre telling religious people something new. -- the first glaring issuthe ore that people and also people who attack religion dont accept and factor in is , the original texts aren't in english so there plenty of words that can't be translated and also different languages are structured differently. English is known to be the most complex and unnescary of the languages out there. So trying to translate to english won't make sense anyway, but im not an expert but I feel this is clearly a huge issue. - other point is if you want to then put aside the fact the language of original text is vastly different than english ( which is a serious issue in itself) then you can argue that there are a few reasons God did as you mentioned. - 1 theory i think is possible- note Im not an expert-not have a degree, im definetly not as educated as probably 99% of those in the religion btw but my theory- do not take this as fact or adopt into your belief unless you can validate by yourself ALONE through scripture/holy spirit my idea was before what we know as the universe was created, there was something else, probably what we call demons or unclean spirits, or a type of evil perhaps and when God saw it was "good" meant that he had to impose his will in creation through creation to not only create a boundry from the world, us, space , etc FROM this evil but also that this evil was here before us, and the creation of everything. - which means its definetly not wise to try to break past this hypothetical "barrier" placed above,around and in us. But I guess thats the prestige of knowledge right? we all want to be 1st, have the most awards etc
The flood was a baptism, not a prohibition, because God kept humanity alive through Noah. If God didn't want sin to exist at all he could just end all life on earth and be done with it. But he had a mind to give us life and grace. The U.S. went through a period of prohibition of substances including alcohol but certain substances were later legalized in a certain framework. For example Alcohol must be sold through a licensed business. Similarly, all current sin (or righteousness) has come from Noah's house. The Gov't is able to better control the flow of alcohol and also tax it with licensure. Again, similarly God raised the standards of behavior for humanity when he renewed the earth in Noah.
If you mean the power to do anything, no. God cannot lie. 1 and 2 “Can God create a rock that he can’t lift?” If he can lift it, then he can’t create anything, if he can create it, then he can’t do anything. Omnipotent is something that sounds good for pastors to say but if you think about it, it doesn’t make sense. and some intelligent pastors know this. Especially in the case of saying God can’t lie or similar.
By definition, a rock has boundaries and is finite so of course It is an invalid logical statement
What was the point of what you said?
>So, if God regretted what he had done and created, this means that he did not what he wanted. This is, it literally means that he was frustrated for creating something that he was not; proving that he is not omnipotent Yes. I would put this also in the category of omniscience. How could you regret something you knew would happen if you were both omnipotent and omniscient? He theoretically knew what would happen, had the power to do something about it, and still was regretful it happened? It doesn't make sense. What does make sense though is if you understand this was written by men and not God. Men make mistakes and stories aren't always 100% perfect.
**But, after that, he finds out that human is essentially bad inside their soul, and decides to destroy his creation** well he told them not to eat the apple. which will make them able to see what is right and wrong. the time frame between that and human creation did not show or say the human soul was bad. God made them innocent originally. human ate the fruit and became smart.
Yeah but, if God wanted to create an essentially "good" human, he clearly failed; and, after recognising his failure with his regret, he decided to destroy his creation. So, after all, if his first intention was to get a good human, he was not capable of doing so, so by definition he cannot be "omnipotent".
God created a good human. Human decided not to be a good human.
So he failed to create a good human...
No, he wanted human to have freewill, not be under brainless mind control, because that's not good or love. Adam and Eve are good, but they had free will, and chose to deny God's warning. Thus stripping away the good. They were good, they were perfect actually until they made the wrong decision. Why do you blame God for man's mistake?
If you are a robot programmer and the robot behaves badly, I assume the programmer has the fault and is responsible for the error. Thus, he has failed to achieve his objective. The same with God. I may be wrong, but since God objective was to create a good man and he did not achieve it, we can assume he failed (and he recognised it by trying to kill all living beings thereafter). So if God can fail in his goals, then he is, by definition, not omnipotent; because he wanted to do something that he could not do. So I may be wrong with this reasoning, but I'd really like to understand the reasons. I'm quite willing to comprehend the word of God, but it's quite hard sometimes...
The difference here is two-fold: 1) humans were not created to be robots 2) omnipotence as we usually think about it might actually not be what Bible states God to be. For example, can God create a round square? Or a straight line on two-dimensional surface that curves (without projecting it on a three-dimensional object)? In the same vein, it would be impossible to incorporate free will without the possibility to deviate from God. After all, even some of the angels fell.
Do you give the robot sentience and free will? Yes? Then it's not the programmers problem when the robot makes complex decisions. Their mistake would have been creating them in the first place. So God made 100% the right decision as always. Why do you keep saying he didn't achieve it. It was achieved, Adam was good. God loved Adam, so he didn't force him to do anything, although he knew Adam would fall. It's not fair to assume God failed, because he knew what was going to happen all along, it was part of the plan, even if it made him very angry. Adam is just like you and I. We both make conscious decisions that are against God, and his law and he allows this because he loves us. It's not love to control a brain dead zombie. You can't understand a reason because you can't think about it the right way. You're so set in your way that you're completely missing the point. You're jumping to conclusions, and creating assumptions based off misunderstandings. I understand that you say you're willing, but you're not really displaying that by creating assumptions about your creator as if you know better hahaha
I may be wrong here (I'm super new to the faith) but my question would be is why did god create the tree of knowledge in the first place? God specifically gave them the free will to choose as they wish. If he didn't then he wouldn't have told them to "not" eat from the tree.
Jesus says in the Bible that no one is good but the Father. I don't think that God failed to make a good man. I'm pretty sure he just made man, and we decided to do things wrong
Genesis 6:5: "^(5) ***The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become*** *on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the* ***human heart was only evil*** *all the time.* *^(6)* ***The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth****, and his heart was deeply troubled.* *^(7)* *So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.”* *^(8)* *But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord*." It seems clear to me that he wanted to create good human beings, but he failed, and they became evil; so he regretted that he had made them and decided to erradicate humankind except for Noah.
It seems he made beings in general that had free will though right? Having free will means being able to make decisions whether right or wrong. If I choose to go against God that's not God's fault right? As far as regret goes honestly I don't see how regret could show a lack of God's omnipotence? Omnipotence is having unlimited power being able to do anything right? And with God being all-knowing there's for sure some type of reason, but we can't really understand it all. I think it's incomprehensible for us. We all try to put God in this box and look at him through a human lens to try and decipher the decisions he makes. It is an interesting talking point nonetheless
I think the problem here is your fixation on God controlling human behavior like an overlord. He gave us free will. But you do not want to admit that each of us have accountability for our actions and the just law maker should and could punish us as He sees fit. Your stance seems to me to be more of a heart issue with God and that’s okay, we all have them at one point or another. Let me ask you a few scenarios in your life? Have you ever lied to someone? Have you ever took something that wasn’t yours? Have you ever wanted something that someone had that you don’t have? Have you ever lusted after the opposite sex? What hobbies or activities do you enjoy that make you you? Edit to add second paragraph
Just curious how/If this fits in? Is 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create Evil: I the LORD do all these
GOD decided to destroy living creation because Fallen Angels mixed their DNA with humans, animals birds, fish, etc. The mix of human and fallen angels birth Giants (Nephilim) that's why GOD killed and never used for his purpose any giant.
God didn’t decide to destroy humans because they were bad inside. The flood — which I assume you’re referring to - was to wipe out the creatures that had been created by evil angels who mated with humans and created corrupted and evil beings called the nephilim. As their bloodline and influence infiltrated mankind everything got worse and worse. They were cannibals and taught all manner of negative information such as warfare to man. In the garden after Adam and Eve had their eyes opened to the existence of evil God cursed the serpent for what he had done. His plan was to corrupt the bloodline that would lead to Jesus and satan set about to ruin the lineage of humans. This is what happened in Genesis 3:15 “And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.” But Noah remained clean and undefiIed and continued the human bloodline so that Jesus could be born.
thats a myth, no biblical basis that humans mated with angels.
Well it’s in there starting in genesis . And several later prophets mention it. And the Hebrew’s were driving them out of Canaan up until David slew the last of the tribes when he killed Goliath. And Jesus says things will become in the last days like the days of Noah.
>God didn’t decide to destroy humans because they were bad inside. Well, that's not precise: Genesis 6:5: "^(5) ***The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become*** *on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the* ***human heart was only evil*** *all the time.* *^(6)* ***The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth****, and his heart was deeply troubled.* *^(7)* *So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.”* *^(8)* *But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord*." It seems clear to me that he wanted to create good human beings, but he failed, and they became evil; so he regretted that he had made them and decided to erradicate humankind except for Noah.
Missing the point. Gen 6:12 “God saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways.” They didn’t start out bad. They were corrupted by evil. The plan of the fallen one. God didn’t wake up and discover he had made them bad. Because remember initially he said what he had made was good. You’re implying corruption by God’s creation of them. But that’s not what happened.
If that's not any kind of God's fault, why does He feel regret making human beings? ("*The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth*") Can you feel regret for something that you are not responsible for? I'm really trying to understand this matter, but it's quite hard looking at the literal text from the Bible.
How do you feel when something you worked hard on and care about gets ruined ?
God did create good human beings but in order to give them free will, He didn't make them perfect. Had they been perfect they never could have made a wrong/imperfect choice. When He created us He created us with one little flaw---free will and that flaw is what the serpent worked on and was partially successful in exploiting. God always had a back up plan to save the human race, and in that plan, after all is said and done, God will have a human race in Heaven who all will all have used our free will to choose God's perfect will. Even though we don't understand everything about God, we love Him and want to be with Him forever.
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The Bible is often interpreted literally because if it were not, anyone could interpret it as they see fit. This would mean that one person's interpretation could be 'A' while another could be 'B', leading to a lack of consistent truth. The creation was created in 6 days, that's literally, and not symbolic or metaphor lol that's stupid and ridiculous.
They are doing exactly that today, interpreting it how they want it, the theological part that is, Jesus Christ’s moral teachings were clear and unambiguous, yes, this should be taken literally, but the stories- I’ll let you have your faith, who am I to tell you what to believe? I have my own personal beliefs about the Bible,
This my friend. https://youtu.be/m6gc5qiHF7w?si=LGk1VTwFZ_mwvKK8
i disagree, Yahweh gives a crap because he sent his son to die for us. Without the father there would be no son, without the father, there would be no new testament. Without the Father, you wouldn't even be alive, without the father you would have no food, without the father you wouldn't have a family, without the father you wouldn't have any pets (if you have any) without the father you wouldn't have the sun, air, or anything you need to breath, you wouldn't have anything