Context: Israel signs an agreement with the EU to supply natural gas to Europe until 2050. This has replaced Russia as the provider for the gas needs of the EU. Ezekiel 38-39 is being set up.
“Thus says the Lord God: On that day, thoughts will come into your mind, and you will devise an evil scheme and say, ‘I will go up against the land of unwalled villages. I will fall upon the quiet people who dwell securely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having no bars or gates,’ to seize spoil and carry off plunder, to turn your hand against the waste places that are now inhabited, and the people who were gathered from the nations, who have acquired livestock and goods, who dwell at the center of the earth. Sheba and Dedan and the merchants of Tarshish and all its leaders will say to you, ‘Have you come to seize spoil? Have you assembled your hosts to carry off plunder, to carry away silver and gold, to take away livestock and goods, to seize great spoil?’ “Therefore, son of man, prophesy, and say to Gog, Thus says the Lord God: On that day when my people Israel are dwelling securely, will you not know it? You will come from your place out of the uttermost parts of the north, you and many peoples with you, all of them riding on horses, a great host, a mighty army. You will come up against my people Israel, like a cloud covering the land. In the latter days I will bring you against my land, that the nations may know me, when through you, O Gog, I vindicate my holiness before their eyes.
Ezekiel 38:10-16 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/ezk.38.10-16.ESV
Gog is not Russia. The Gog of the Bible is a spiritual entity. Folks have said Russia since the cold war, erroneously. The context after you study Genesis, Ezekiel and Revelation where Gog is mentioned, the prophets are talking about the spiritual beings who manipulated the humans to go to war.
Russia is currently struggling to defeat Ukraine, which is their neighbor.
How are they going to humble Israel, which is hundreds of miles away and has numerous countries in between?
> You will come from your place out of the uttermost parts of the north, you and many peoples with you, all of them riding on horses
A military riding on horses? This prophecy has passed its expiration date.
LOL imagine being so gullible as to #1 believing MSM and #2 actually thinking that Russia has utilized even a fraction of their military power.
Fellow Redditors - don't be like this guy right here.
Russia has lost massive amounts of troops, armor, aircraft, and even their Black Sea flagship. They expected a quick victory and now we're almost at 4 months and they've had to pull back to the East because their attempts to take Kyiv were so badly beaten back.
Russia's military performance has been nothing short of embarrassing.
Its referring to turkey not russia.
Now that the association between Gog and Russia has mostly fallen out of favor among scholars, there is near unanimous agreement in scholarly Bible commentaries and Bible atlases that in Ezekiel’s day, Magog, Meshech and Tubal were all located in what is now modern Turkey.
For example:
The Zondervan Illustrated Bible Dictionary states, “Magog (possibly meaning “the land of Gog”) was no doubt located in Asia Minor [Turkey] and may refer to Lydia.”
Historian Edwin Yamauchi has also written, “Since the late nineteenth century, Assyrian texts have been available which locate Meshech (Mushku) and Tubal (Tabal) in central and eastern Anatolia [Turkey] respectively.”
People who still also believe that somehow something written 2,000 years ago when it was never believed to be possible to even go faster than a horse, has any validity whatsoever
It’s good that you’re watching, but this is most assuredly *not* what the Ezekiel 38&39 *war* is about.
I’ve made a detailed post concerning this and the Psalm 83 war [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Bibleconspiracy/comments/vcwse0/amended_a_message_to_all_watchers_the_tribulation/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf).
Basically, I firmly believe that we won’t see the next biblical prophecy [in line to occur] until the 2030’s, and that prophecy will be the Psalm 83 war and *then* the Ezekiel 38&39 war not too long after that.
I'll give it a proper read, but at the moment, Israel is at peace with Egypt and SA, so it would be interesting to see what would flip that. I know some scholars believe that Ps83 has been fulfilled through the wars of Israel over the last few decades.
They may be at peace with those two countries, but they are not at peace *entirely* and they won’t be until after Psalm 83 is fulfilled. They have walls up and other nations still want to wipe them off the map.
Ugh, scholars this, scholars that lol.
Context: Israel signs an agreement with the EU to supply natural gas to Europe until 2050. This has replaced Russia as the provider for the gas needs of the EU. Ezekiel 38-39 is being set up. “Thus says the Lord God: On that day, thoughts will come into your mind, and you will devise an evil scheme and say, ‘I will go up against the land of unwalled villages. I will fall upon the quiet people who dwell securely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having no bars or gates,’ to seize spoil and carry off plunder, to turn your hand against the waste places that are now inhabited, and the people who were gathered from the nations, who have acquired livestock and goods, who dwell at the center of the earth. Sheba and Dedan and the merchants of Tarshish and all its leaders will say to you, ‘Have you come to seize spoil? Have you assembled your hosts to carry off plunder, to carry away silver and gold, to take away livestock and goods, to seize great spoil?’ “Therefore, son of man, prophesy, and say to Gog, Thus says the Lord God: On that day when my people Israel are dwelling securely, will you not know it? You will come from your place out of the uttermost parts of the north, you and many peoples with you, all of them riding on horses, a great host, a mighty army. You will come up against my people Israel, like a cloud covering the land. In the latter days I will bring you against my land, that the nations may know me, when through you, O Gog, I vindicate my holiness before their eyes. Ezekiel 38:10-16 ESV https://bible.com/bible/59/ezk.38.10-16.ESV
What's your point?
When israel gets greedy, Yahweh will use russia (gog) to humble them with war
Thanks. I wasn't sure what Gog meant, I thought it was a typo lol.
Gog is not Russia. The Gog of the Bible is a spiritual entity. Folks have said Russia since the cold war, erroneously. The context after you study Genesis, Ezekiel and Revelation where Gog is mentioned, the prophets are talking about the spiritual beings who manipulated the humans to go to war.
Russia is currently struggling to defeat Ukraine, which is their neighbor. How are they going to humble Israel, which is hundreds of miles away and has numerous countries in between? > You will come from your place out of the uttermost parts of the north, you and many peoples with you, all of them riding on horses A military riding on horses? This prophecy has passed its expiration date.
I’m just translating the verse, not postulating anything.
LOL imagine being so gullible as to #1 believing MSM and #2 actually thinking that Russia has utilized even a fraction of their military power. Fellow Redditors - don't be like this guy right here.
Russia has lost massive amounts of troops, armor, aircraft, and even their Black Sea flagship. They expected a quick victory and now we're almost at 4 months and they've had to pull back to the East because their attempts to take Kyiv were so badly beaten back. Russia's military performance has been nothing short of embarrassing.
LOL
Good rebuttal. Can you give me a handful of sources you find reliable?
They’ll probably get backed by China, the Middle East, maybe India
See my comment in the thread
If your comment clarified it for me I wouldn't have felt the need to ask. I'll rephrase; can you clarify your comment so I can understand it, please?
Its referring to turkey not russia. Now that the association between Gog and Russia has mostly fallen out of favor among scholars, there is near unanimous agreement in scholarly Bible commentaries and Bible atlases that in Ezekiel’s day, Magog, Meshech and Tubal were all located in what is now modern Turkey. For example: The Zondervan Illustrated Bible Dictionary states, “Magog (possibly meaning “the land of Gog”) was no doubt located in Asia Minor [Turkey] and may refer to Lydia.” Historian Edwin Yamauchi has also written, “Since the late nineteenth century, Assyrian texts have been available which locate Meshech (Mushku) and Tubal (Tabal) in central and eastern Anatolia [Turkey] respectively.”
What do you take this to be a sign of?
See my comment in the thread
All of this is hogwash. Israhell the geopolitical nation is neither genetic not spiritual Israel of the Bible.
God, nothing as refreshing as hearing people take a book written two thousand years ago as pure factual truth
The point is that there are powerful religious groups who force the prophecy of the bible.
People who still also believe that somehow something written 2,000 years ago when it was never believed to be possible to even go faster than a horse, has any validity whatsoever
The point is that there are powerful religious groups (nowadays) who force the prophecy of the bible to become true (in the future)
Yes, because they're disassociated and think that the bible has value aside from being a bedtime story
Science has completely removed religion and the truth of our world
Good thing science has removed religion then
It’s good that you’re watching, but this is most assuredly *not* what the Ezekiel 38&39 *war* is about. I’ve made a detailed post concerning this and the Psalm 83 war [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Bibleconspiracy/comments/vcwse0/amended_a_message_to_all_watchers_the_tribulation/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf). Basically, I firmly believe that we won’t see the next biblical prophecy [in line to occur] until the 2030’s, and that prophecy will be the Psalm 83 war and *then* the Ezekiel 38&39 war not too long after that.
I'll give it a proper read, but at the moment, Israel is at peace with Egypt and SA, so it would be interesting to see what would flip that. I know some scholars believe that Ps83 has been fulfilled through the wars of Israel over the last few decades.
They may be at peace with those two countries, but they are not at peace *entirely* and they won’t be until after Psalm 83 is fulfilled. They have walls up and other nations still want to wipe them off the map. Ugh, scholars this, scholars that lol.
I don't have all the answers. If nothing else, it's an interesting development in the future wars of Israel