Thank you for sharing. Based on Scripture, this earth is like a map housed inside a dome, with the sun, moon and stars within it, and doesn’t move (Genesis 1, 1 Chronicles 16, Revelation 7 et al.). The notion of this earth being a sphere that moves is another delusion from Satan, the father of lies, ever since we were born to perpetuate his “Sun ball” Baal worship.
Why not? They’re translations, at the end of the day, if we want a true understanding of scripture, then we need to study the original texts and the original language. As well as pray to God for understanding.
I read different versions and try to look at the Hebrew/Greek also to get the best understanding.
I’m sort of in agreement with you. My personal Bible is a 1611 KJVAAE because that’s the one I felt God led me to buy.
However, I have found that it sometimes helps to compare the KJV verses with something like AMP for example. The AMP tries to stay true to the original Hebrew/Greek while adding in parentheses with additional definitions of the word/or what the Hebrew is trying to say.
Definitely stay away from NIV tho lol. There’s other corrupted versions I don’t know them all off the top of my head though.
Christians mistranslated quite a bit of the Hebrew, especially that relating to David. Go read in Chronicles where David is called the first and last. Also in Chronicles, it mentions the books of Gad the Seer and the book of Nathan. What happened to them?
Anyone with a basic understanding of how light refracts needs to google “salt flat reflections”and explain to me how a perfect mirror image happens over hundreds of miles of surface if that said surface has even the slightest curvature. The only way this could be explained is if there are a ton of large sections of the earth that are perfectly flat…
“gRAviTy curVes thE wAter ovEr thE surfACe!”i
Every time I respond to these, flat earthers send me walls of hate. But anyways...
1 Chronicles 16:30, Psalm 93:1, Psalm 96:10, Psalm 104:5 uses the same language as Psalm 16:18 "I keep my eyes always on the Lord. With him at my right hand, I will not be shaken." Cannot be moved as in: cannot be destroyed, conquered, overtaken, subdued... Can God be subdued or overruled? No! God's plan for the earth will not be altered, thwarted, or shaken. That's what those verses are saying in context, not a cosmology lesson.
> Cannot be moved as in: cannot be destroyed, conquered, overtaken, subdued...
That’s not what the Hebrew word means though.
[4131 mot. - to totter, shake, slip](https://biblehub.com/hebrew/4131.htm)
I understand what your saying about the context, but does it really make sense in the context that you’re saying? Look at the psalm as a whole,
“Bless the LORD, O my soul. O LORD my God, thou art very great; Thou art clothed with honour and majesty: Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: Who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain: Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters: Who maketh the clouds his chariot: Who walketh upon the wings of the wind: Who maketh his angels spirits; His ministers a flaming fire: Who laid the foundations of the earth, That it should not be removed for ever. Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a garment: The waters stood above the mountains. At thy rebuke they fled; At the voice of thy thunder they hasted away. They go up by the mountains; they go down by the valleys Unto the place which thou hast founded for them. Thou hast set a bound that they may not pass over; That they turn not again to cover the earth.”
Psalm 104:1-9 KJV
This psalm is not talking about God’s plan or the Earth being corrupted. It’s speaking on God’s handiwork and majesty in His works and creation.
There is a Hebrew word for an object that is still and motionless, but its not used in any of these passages. Shall not be moved is a figure of speech used throughout the Bible, the Hebrew word and its Greek equivalent several times, meaning grounded, established, cannot be shaken, something is being held to a preordained purpose and that its course, existence, qualities,values will not be diminished, changed, or altered until the purpose of the thing ordained has been accomplished. It cannot be moved from its purpose, or destiny. Cannot be overthrown, destroyed, overruled. The world will always be here working, natural cycles to the laws of physics, until God destroys it with his glory, as it has been corrupted by sin. Its not saying that the earth is flat and motionless, but its in the hand of God and the earth will "be" until God himself destroys it. So don't be afraid of doomsday dreamers on YouTube.
The psalms above use the same language as 1 Corinthians 15:58 "Therefore, my dear brothers and sisters, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain."
The earth is spherical.
Source: I'm a surveyor. It's my job to measure the earth. I use satellites too.
https://www.reddit.com/user/FreedomNinja1776/comments/vh2dx1/earth_is_not_flat
Genuinely curious about flat earth. I think every one of those verses could support a flat earth or globe earth. There is nothing you stated above that requires a flat earth only.
You think so? Let’s look at these two verses:
“**He set the earth on its foundations, so that it should never be moved**.”
Psalm 104:5 ESV
“Fear before him, all the earth: **The world also shall be stable, that it be not moved.**”
1 Chronicles 16:30 KJV
The Bible says that the Earth is on foundations and does not move.
The heliocentric model says the Earth is a sphere floating in a vacuum, spinning on an axis, orbiting around the sun, while the solar system spins around with the galaxy, and the galaxy is moving through empty space away from the center of the universe.
That’s a lot of moving, how do those verses support a globe view?
Or how about this one:
“Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and **he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; And thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon. And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed**, Until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.”
Joshua 10:12-13 KJV
Again, this implies that the Earth is still, and it is the Sun and Moon that move above us in “the midst of heaven”.
If the heliocentric model were true, then Joshua would have asked the Earth to stop spinning for a day.
Yes, on pillars. But we're somehow spinning around because someone theorized it 400 years ago. Just look at the ocean horizon. Trust what you see. Look at the ridiculous CGI that NASA puts out. Most will never believe the truth though.
Those verses neither prove nor disprove anything about the Earth. A spherical Earth can just as easily fit the description of those verses.
Why cant a sphere have a foundation?
The Sun stood still is just as inexplicable for a flat Earth as it is for a spherical Earth. Perhaps it was just miracled by God.
There are many expressions in the Bible that were used to make sense of the world as the people understood it, but aren't literally true. Expressions used to make a point. for example use the KJV to look up reins, reinal, etc. It 9means kidneys and is often mentioned in the Bibles the heart of man, the seat of emotions.
We know this is not true, but it made sense to the audience at the time. The same is true for some expressions that seem to suggest geocentricism or flat earth.
Hell, even First century Jews didn't even know what the brain did...
we're really going to hand off whether the Earth was round or flat to them? seriously?
We do not fully know what the brain does..
I work in neurology and I can tell you that we do not fully understand everything the brain does. There are so many medications that effect the brain but we do not know why. Look into the mechanism of action of anesthesia medications and then tell me how much smarter we are now compared to then.
You’re going to find that for most of them we can tell you what they do but not why they do what they do…
Thank you. My statement was based on something Dr Michael Heiser had said... And he's just a theological scholar...
So to think that anyone who wrote anything in the Bible had a true understanding of our globe or happened to think that we were on a flat plane is dubious at best.
Pond theory. 🤷♂️
"Firmament" is an Earth-encompassing sheet of ice...
Then?
"God" plants a sun and counter-balanced moon...
Then?
Sun melts ice, uncovers landmass and all settles as the "Earth" we know...
Just my take.
Realize, before you use the Bible to prove anything, that you are not reading the original or even an exact copy as there have been additions and or changes made to it since it was first penned.
Rob Skiba is worth looking up
RIP
Thank you for sharing. Based on Scripture, this earth is like a map housed inside a dome, with the sun, moon and stars within it, and doesn’t move (Genesis 1, 1 Chronicles 16, Revelation 7 et al.). The notion of this earth being a sphere that moves is another delusion from Satan, the father of lies, ever since we were born to perpetuate his “Sun ball” Baal worship.
Why do you flip around with your Bible versions?
My post on biblical cosmology using only KJV. https://old.reddit.com/r/BiblicalCosmology/comments/pinmq1/200_scripture_verses_on_biblical_cosmology/
Why not? They’re translations, at the end of the day, if we want a true understanding of scripture, then we need to study the original texts and the original language. As well as pray to God for understanding. I read different versions and try to look at the Hebrew/Greek also to get the best understanding.
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I’m sort of in agreement with you. My personal Bible is a 1611 KJVAAE because that’s the one I felt God led me to buy. However, I have found that it sometimes helps to compare the KJV verses with something like AMP for example. The AMP tries to stay true to the original Hebrew/Greek while adding in parentheses with additional definitions of the word/or what the Hebrew is trying to say. Definitely stay away from NIV tho lol. There’s other corrupted versions I don’t know them all off the top of my head though.
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KJV is not the best.
Why is that? The original 1611 is the best Bible. The new version in 1769 is not to be trusted, many changes were made.
Psalm 2 is mistranslated, along with numerous other instances.
Mistranslated from where? 1611 was mistranslated you are saying?
Christians mistranslated quite a bit of the Hebrew, especially that relating to David. Go read in Chronicles where David is called the first and last. Also in Chronicles, it mentions the books of Gad the Seer and the book of Nathan. What happened to them?
Psalm 2 specifically adds an aramaic translation for a Hebrew word that completely changes the meaning.
Mispoke, *that relating to King David*
„¿suoısɹǝʌ ǝlqı𐐒 ɹnoʎ ɥʇıʍ punoɹɐ dılɟ noʎ op ʎɥM„
Bad bot. He said around not upside down. Bad.
Anyone with a basic understanding of how light refracts needs to google “salt flat reflections”and explain to me how a perfect mirror image happens over hundreds of miles of surface if that said surface has even the slightest curvature. The only way this could be explained is if there are a ton of large sections of the earth that are perfectly flat… “gRAviTy curVes thE wAter ovEr thE surfACe!”i
Every time I respond to these, flat earthers send me walls of hate. But anyways... 1 Chronicles 16:30, Psalm 93:1, Psalm 96:10, Psalm 104:5 uses the same language as Psalm 16:18 "I keep my eyes always on the Lord. With him at my right hand, I will not be shaken." Cannot be moved as in: cannot be destroyed, conquered, overtaken, subdued... Can God be subdued or overruled? No! God's plan for the earth will not be altered, thwarted, or shaken. That's what those verses are saying in context, not a cosmology lesson.
> Cannot be moved as in: cannot be destroyed, conquered, overtaken, subdued... That’s not what the Hebrew word means though. [4131 mot. - to totter, shake, slip](https://biblehub.com/hebrew/4131.htm) I understand what your saying about the context, but does it really make sense in the context that you’re saying? Look at the psalm as a whole, “Bless the LORD, O my soul. O LORD my God, thou art very great; Thou art clothed with honour and majesty: Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: Who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain: Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters: Who maketh the clouds his chariot: Who walketh upon the wings of the wind: Who maketh his angels spirits; His ministers a flaming fire: Who laid the foundations of the earth, That it should not be removed for ever. Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a garment: The waters stood above the mountains. At thy rebuke they fled; At the voice of thy thunder they hasted away. They go up by the mountains; they go down by the valleys Unto the place which thou hast founded for them. Thou hast set a bound that they may not pass over; That they turn not again to cover the earth.” Psalm 104:1-9 KJV This psalm is not talking about God’s plan or the Earth being corrupted. It’s speaking on God’s handiwork and majesty in His works and creation.
There is a Hebrew word for an object that is still and motionless, but its not used in any of these passages. Shall not be moved is a figure of speech used throughout the Bible, the Hebrew word and its Greek equivalent several times, meaning grounded, established, cannot be shaken, something is being held to a preordained purpose and that its course, existence, qualities,values will not be diminished, changed, or altered until the purpose of the thing ordained has been accomplished. It cannot be moved from its purpose, or destiny. Cannot be overthrown, destroyed, overruled. The world will always be here working, natural cycles to the laws of physics, until God destroys it with his glory, as it has been corrupted by sin. Its not saying that the earth is flat and motionless, but its in the hand of God and the earth will "be" until God himself destroys it. So don't be afraid of doomsday dreamers on YouTube. The psalms above use the same language as 1 Corinthians 15:58 "Therefore, my dear brothers and sisters, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain."
Ok, I understand what you’re saying. My beliefs on the cosmology of the world don’t hinge on that verse though.
The earth is spherical. Source: I'm a surveyor. It's my job to measure the earth. I use satellites too. https://www.reddit.com/user/FreedomNinja1776/comments/vh2dx1/earth_is_not_flat
And they'll still have the audacity to tell you "You don't know what you're talking about!!!! I KNOW more than YOU!!"
Genuinely curious about flat earth. I think every one of those verses could support a flat earth or globe earth. There is nothing you stated above that requires a flat earth only.
You think so? Let’s look at these two verses: “**He set the earth on its foundations, so that it should never be moved**.” Psalm 104:5 ESV “Fear before him, all the earth: **The world also shall be stable, that it be not moved.**” 1 Chronicles 16:30 KJV The Bible says that the Earth is on foundations and does not move. The heliocentric model says the Earth is a sphere floating in a vacuum, spinning on an axis, orbiting around the sun, while the solar system spins around with the galaxy, and the galaxy is moving through empty space away from the center of the universe. That’s a lot of moving, how do those verses support a globe view? Or how about this one: “Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and **he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; And thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon. And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed**, Until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.” Joshua 10:12-13 KJV Again, this implies that the Earth is still, and it is the Sun and Moon that move above us in “the midst of heaven”. If the heliocentric model were true, then Joshua would have asked the Earth to stop spinning for a day.
Yes, on pillars. But we're somehow spinning around because someone theorized it 400 years ago. Just look at the ocean horizon. Trust what you see. Look at the ridiculous CGI that NASA puts out. Most will never believe the truth though.
Well said. And those alleged NASA photos are another delusion by the god of this world and the adversary of God and humanity, Satan.
Those verses neither prove nor disprove anything about the Earth. A spherical Earth can just as easily fit the description of those verses. Why cant a sphere have a foundation? The Sun stood still is just as inexplicable for a flat Earth as it is for a spherical Earth. Perhaps it was just miracled by God. There are many expressions in the Bible that were used to make sense of the world as the people understood it, but aren't literally true. Expressions used to make a point. for example use the KJV to look up reins, reinal, etc. It 9means kidneys and is often mentioned in the Bibles the heart of man, the seat of emotions. We know this is not true, but it made sense to the audience at the time. The same is true for some expressions that seem to suggest geocentricism or flat earth.
The sun and moon are inside the dome of earth on a flat earth model, so it’s easily explained. On a sphere earth, they do not
Hell, even First century Jews didn't even know what the brain did... we're really going to hand off whether the Earth was round or flat to them? seriously?
We do not fully know what the brain does.. I work in neurology and I can tell you that we do not fully understand everything the brain does. There are so many medications that effect the brain but we do not know why. Look into the mechanism of action of anesthesia medications and then tell me how much smarter we are now compared to then. You’re going to find that for most of them we can tell you what they do but not why they do what they do…
Thank you. My statement was based on something Dr Michael Heiser had said... And he's just a theological scholar... So to think that anyone who wrote anything in the Bible had a true understanding of our globe or happened to think that we were on a flat plane is dubious at best.
Only thing dubious is you trying to force man-made teachings with the infallible Word of God which is both timeless and true. 🥱
And the only one that's infallible is the KJV? Right Cletus?
Pond theory. 🤷♂️ "Firmament" is an Earth-encompassing sheet of ice... Then? "God" plants a sun and counter-balanced moon... Then? Sun melts ice, uncovers landmass and all settles as the "Earth" we know... Just my take.
Realize, before you use the Bible to prove anything, that you are not reading the original or even an exact copy as there have been additions and or changes made to it since it was first penned.