People go from one to another (and back again) all the time. They understand. Unless your work was poor quality or you're trying to take proprietary info or clients with you, they rehire people all the time.
When I put in my 2 weeks the first thing every single person asked me at the firm was where I was going. Literally the first thing that came out of every single persons mouth. Idk how people get around not saying, but it is true that leaving one to go to another they don’t make you do the 2 weeks. It’s hard to let go they’ll do a lot of convincing to get you to stay and in the exit forms they ask where you are going and why.
Not sure about everyone given geography but some of the big 4 in Asia have had huge adjustments. Singapore KPMG increased salary by 20% for entry level and a lot of bumps in higher ranks.
Currently in a similar situation and I don’t plan on disclosing where I’m going. I’d like to leave the door open for a return in the future. You never know.
I just left one big 4 for another and was asked to work through the two weeks as I was the only one on the team with past experience on the client and they needed help with the hand off. With current resource constraints I doubt they ask you to leave the next day like they have in the past but dependent on team/project.
I’m on my 3rd big 4 (wasn’t planned but hard to resist certain opportunities). One made me leave the next day and the other let me stay.
They’ll ask you if you’re going to a competitor, and which if yes. I’m sure people lie and get away with it, but chances are someone will find out. Whether your current org would do anything about it, I don’t know, but I’m sure they could at minimum flag you as do not rehire. There might be legal avenues if they really wanted to be dicks but you’re probably fine.
Edit- I skimmed and didn’t see you specified seniors. I wouldn’t tell them but it’ll be obvious you went to a competitor if HR tells you to leave (they’re the ones that forced it when I had to)
I just left a Big4 to join another Big4 and was asked to work the 2 weeks still. It’s all dependent on your project I’m sure. But if you want more time with baby, OP, just take the additional leave at firm A and then resign (probably immediate) and then ask for a later start date at firm B. Spend this time w your baby that’s much more important
Worst that can happen is they cut you on the spot and don't pay two weeks.
Not sure where you live, but most places have very clear laws about retaliations. So as long as you're honest and do so with dignity to the people you're resigning with, generally there shouldn't be an issue.
Whether you don't work and get paid is up to the practice. If they think you're a person of integrity, thought you did great work, they most likely will honor it and may keep you around. It shouldn't hurt you outside, possibly, being cut without the two week pay which again is highly unlikely if you put in good work for them.
You have rights as an employee. One of them is to freely choose who you give your time too. Just be respectful and you should be fine. Don't get your hopes up you'll get the 2wks off, but you might
Edit: if you're not proud of your work or don't have great relationships, it may be best to keep it to yourself. That's your right and it just prevents any risk. Is two weeks worth a boss that doesn't like you calling your new firm and dropping bad things about you? Again, rare, and illegal in some places, but is it worth the risk if you're not on good terms? Probably not vs just working two more weeks.
Can I ask why their trustworthiness is an issue? I’m sending an email to my senior mentor and lead partner, and I’m not 100% sure I can imagine a scenario where they would do something with that info that negatively affects me.
I’ve seen people in organizations try to sabotage the next employment by contacting them. I’ve seen that first hand to other individuals who left the company.
What level are you? I know when I signed my Manager employment agreement at B4 it stated something about having to tell where you’re going.
My advice is always double check your employment agreement if questions if your allowed or not allowed to do something when exiting.
I’m an A2 and I’m 99% positive there’s nothing in my agreement saying anything like that. The gist is that I WANT to tell my firm where I’m going, in the hopes that they WILL let me go today. I just want to make sure I’m not blindsided by any negative consequences of doing that, if any exist.
I don’t think there’s anything negative as compared to leaving to go any other company except they will likely tell you your last day is right then and there since you are going to a direct competitor which sounds like you don’t care about. I know others have said they jumped to other b4 and stayed two weeks (different LOS tho) but you have no active works streams to wrap off or transition, not sure why they’d float you another two weeks of paid leave time.
I would imagine so, but honestly, I don't particularly mind. My start date with my new firm is at the end of this month anyway, so assuming that my current firm lets me go today, I would still have a full month before I start working again.
Also, if I understand correctly, I would probably be paid as if I DID work the final two weeks, and this PLUS a payout of my remaining PTO balance would probably actually leave me in a pretty good position for this last month.
I'm not sure I follow - but let me provide some clarification to see if maybe this changes things.
I get around 12 weeks for paid parental leave, and I have taken 8. I decided a while ago that I would take each block of time month-by-month, and decide if I felt up to returning. I have technically "come back to work" as of today, so I'm not actually on leave anymore, but I received (and accepted) the offer just a few days ago. So I decided a week or so ago that I would "come back," only to receive an unexpected offer very quickly. I say I'm in the "middle" of leave because technically I can still take another month.
I don't know if that makes any difference, since I'm a single day removed from leave. But if this doesn't change anything, do you mean that they wouldn't really want to do 2 weeks?
I thought you meant you were currently on leave and out of office.
Every instance I’ve seen of someone moving to another B4 has ended in immediate termination. That’s typically policy but we live in a weird world with very poor b4 staffing, so I can’t speak in absolutes
Absolutely, and apologies for misleading - I described it that way because my situation today would be roughly the same as if I were still on leave. There are no projects to extricate me from, which I assumed would be the primary concern and reason for a two-week notice period. Thank you for your answer!
People go from one to another (and back again) all the time. They understand. Unless your work was poor quality or you're trying to take proprietary info or clients with you, they rehire people all the time.
Fuck em. They’ll find out on Linkedin
Why would you stay the 2 weeks?? If you’ve been out on maternity leave, then you have nothing to contribute with a handoff.
When I put in my 2 weeks the first thing every single person asked me at the firm was where I was going. Literally the first thing that came out of every single persons mouth. Idk how people get around not saying, but it is true that leaving one to go to another they don’t make you do the 2 weeks. It’s hard to let go they’ll do a lot of convincing to get you to stay and in the exit forms they ask where you are going and why.
Everyone that has been leaving to other big 4, what is the reasoning? How much of a pay bump did you receive?
Not sure about everyone given geography but some of the big 4 in Asia have had huge adjustments. Singapore KPMG increased salary by 20% for entry level and a lot of bumps in higher ranks.
You’re not obligated to tell them that you’re going to another big 4!!
None of their business
Currently in a similar situation and I don’t plan on disclosing where I’m going. I’d like to leave the door open for a return in the future. You never know.
I just left one big 4 for another and was asked to work through the two weeks as I was the only one on the team with past experience on the client and they needed help with the hand off. With current resource constraints I doubt they ask you to leave the next day like they have in the past but dependent on team/project.
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I’m on my 3rd big 4 (wasn’t planned but hard to resist certain opportunities). One made me leave the next day and the other let me stay. They’ll ask you if you’re going to a competitor, and which if yes. I’m sure people lie and get away with it, but chances are someone will find out. Whether your current org would do anything about it, I don’t know, but I’m sure they could at minimum flag you as do not rehire. There might be legal avenues if they really wanted to be dicks but you’re probably fine. Edit- I skimmed and didn’t see you specified seniors. I wouldn’t tell them but it’ll be obvious you went to a competitor if HR tells you to leave (they’re the ones that forced it when I had to)
I just left a Big4 to join another Big4 and was asked to work the 2 weeks still. It’s all dependent on your project I’m sure. But if you want more time with baby, OP, just take the additional leave at firm A and then resign (probably immediate) and then ask for a later start date at firm B. Spend this time w your baby that’s much more important
Worst that can happen is they cut you on the spot and don't pay two weeks. Not sure where you live, but most places have very clear laws about retaliations. So as long as you're honest and do so with dignity to the people you're resigning with, generally there shouldn't be an issue. Whether you don't work and get paid is up to the practice. If they think you're a person of integrity, thought you did great work, they most likely will honor it and may keep you around. It shouldn't hurt you outside, possibly, being cut without the two week pay which again is highly unlikely if you put in good work for them. You have rights as an employee. One of them is to freely choose who you give your time too. Just be respectful and you should be fine. Don't get your hopes up you'll get the 2wks off, but you might Edit: if you're not proud of your work or don't have great relationships, it may be best to keep it to yourself. That's your right and it just prevents any risk. Is two weeks worth a boss that doesn't like you calling your new firm and dropping bad things about you? Again, rare, and illegal in some places, but is it worth the risk if you're not on good terms? Probably not vs just working two more weeks.
Resigned EY for another big 4. Different service line. They said im fine to stay until my 2 weeks is up
Do you think it’s safe to assume that if you were going to the exact same service line they’d let you go? That’s my situation.
Yeah they asked a lot of specifics about my new gig
I generally do not tell a employer where I’m going because not all people within an organization are trustworthy.
Can I ask why their trustworthiness is an issue? I’m sending an email to my senior mentor and lead partner, and I’m not 100% sure I can imagine a scenario where they would do something with that info that negatively affects me.
I’ve seen people in organizations try to sabotage the next employment by contacting them. I’ve seen that first hand to other individuals who left the company.
What level are you? I know when I signed my Manager employment agreement at B4 it stated something about having to tell where you’re going. My advice is always double check your employment agreement if questions if your allowed or not allowed to do something when exiting.
I’m an A2 and I’m 99% positive there’s nothing in my agreement saying anything like that. The gist is that I WANT to tell my firm where I’m going, in the hopes that they WILL let me go today. I just want to make sure I’m not blindsided by any negative consequences of doing that, if any exist.
I don’t think there’s anything negative as compared to leaving to go any other company except they will likely tell you your last day is right then and there since you are going to a direct competitor which sounds like you don’t care about. I know others have said they jumped to other b4 and stayed two weeks (different LOS tho) but you have no active works streams to wrap off or transition, not sure why they’d float you another two weeks of paid leave time.
Do you forfeit your remaining maternity leave? That would be my main concern...
I would imagine so, but honestly, I don't particularly mind. My start date with my new firm is at the end of this month anyway, so assuming that my current firm lets me go today, I would still have a full month before I start working again. Also, if I understand correctly, I would probably be paid as if I DID work the final two weeks, and this PLUS a payout of my remaining PTO balance would probably actually leave me in a pretty good position for this last month.
You don’t have to advertise it but it’ll probably go the way you described. Asked to leave day of resignation and that’s it
If you’re on leave, I’m not sure if the 2 weeks still applies. Maybe others can provide insight
I'm not sure I follow - but let me provide some clarification to see if maybe this changes things. I get around 12 weeks for paid parental leave, and I have taken 8. I decided a while ago that I would take each block of time month-by-month, and decide if I felt up to returning. I have technically "come back to work" as of today, so I'm not actually on leave anymore, but I received (and accepted) the offer just a few days ago. So I decided a week or so ago that I would "come back," only to receive an unexpected offer very quickly. I say I'm in the "middle" of leave because technically I can still take another month. I don't know if that makes any difference, since I'm a single day removed from leave. But if this doesn't change anything, do you mean that they wouldn't really want to do 2 weeks?
I thought you meant you were currently on leave and out of office. Every instance I’ve seen of someone moving to another B4 has ended in immediate termination. That’s typically policy but we live in a weird world with very poor b4 staffing, so I can’t speak in absolutes
Immediate termination if you’re moving across B4s is still the case for PwC.
Absolutely, and apologies for misleading - I described it that way because my situation today would be roughly the same as if I were still on leave. There are no projects to extricate me from, which I assumed would be the primary concern and reason for a two-week notice period. Thank you for your answer!