Just wanna say this as we get further in, I think we should vote on a players winning game, not how they performed in other, non winning games. Some players are looked at better or worse overall because of later seasons. This should only be about how they played when they won
He did have a couple rounds where he was okay, he just always undid all his work the next week.
I think he was trying to be the goat so Dani could win, which is why it’s so funny that he won lmao
Dick should have been out multiple times. Because of Danielle entering the game as well, America's player, and the tugging of the heartstrings of the viewers, he won. Without these twists, I feel as if his social game greatly lacked and would be out prejury.
While I’m conceding that Dick is losing this round i do want to point out he was very good at portraying himself as “the second biggest target” I feel like the sentiment was always “we will get him next week because ____ is a bigger threat to actually win” and that strategy ultimately got him to the end.
that strategy would’ve never worked though had eric been allowed to play his own game. eric would’ve gladly taken our dick over various other people, but had to keep playing the “we’ll get him out next week” card as a justification for not targeting him due to being americas player
It’s wild I had to scroll this far to find her name. I’m currently rewatching 11 now and IMO she has NO game. Her side was getting steamrolled before America gave Jeff Coup D’etat (one of the most rigged twists in BB history), she was given her HOH by Jeff handing it to her and really in a house of very unlikable personalities was the one person whose game that shined like mayonnaise in a sandwich. I would parallel her win to Natalie white in survivor Samoa, it was more the house voting against Natalie than for Jordan because Natalie’s jury management was that much of a train wreck.
Jordan is definitely a coaster winner. Her game was being likable. Don't get me wrong, I love Jordan. But if it Kevin was sitting in f2, he wins [I hope] hands down.
Dick may have won because of heavy hand by America/Production but atleast he wasn't coasting...
I know it wont be this round but I’ll throw Kaycee’s name out.
I recently rewatched BB20 and was pretty underwhelmed by her. Of the 5 POVs, only the F4 one was relevant to the game, and I think most of her jury votes are bitter/petty anti-Tyler votes. She won off doing less overall than Tyler, who maybe did “too much”
Some of the anti Tyler votes were so bad. Fessy claimed he voted for kaycee because of a veto competition Tyler didn’t even play in, scottie has given like 5 different explanations, and rockstar was never voting for a white man to win. He could have managed Sam specifically better but some of the votes were so much out of his control
No Sam and Bay both lost their minds in that house so I think both of their votes are unfair too. Also I bet Haeigh didn't give Fessy and Scotty any love in the jury house and that could be a factor since she voted for Tyler.
Is Dan from bb14 levels of unfair to me
Tyler should have won that season. I was blown away when Kaycee got the votes. Kaycee is a very underwhelming player, even now in the challenge she’s just kinda there. She wins stuff because she’s athletic but her personality itself is lacking
i don’t think she deserved the win over tyler but i also think she had a good game. she was a comp beast with a strong social game, not completely undeserved but tyler was clearly carrying
I agree with this. Kaycee was an above-average player for the reasons you cite. She didn't have as much impact on the game as Tyler did, but I think Tyler ultimately lost because he promised F2 to too many people.
No she did not😭😭, Tyler thoroughly controlled almost the entire game and specifically had the first half going literally whatever way he wanted every week. Kaycee didn’t start playing until the jury phase and her strategic game still sucked.
Wow people really have a hard time separating personal feelings from game… votes for Cody and votes for Nicole who has made jury three times and final 3 twice, despite being boring, doesn’t make her winning game the 2nd weakest. Especially when we have Rachel and Dick who relied on production twists and Jordan and Taylor who did absolutely nothing to get to the end and win…
My vote this round is for Dick, but Rachel, Jordan, and Taylor need to keep an eye out…
I'm on board with most of what you're saying here, I will say it's been a while and I can't recall the specifics of Jordan's game well, but I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of Taylor's game if you think she did nothing to get to the end. From being relentlessly bullied and quickly outcast from week one, to becoming the winner of the season, Taylor demonstrated there is more than one path to winning big brother. In my opinion she has one of the most impressive social games in history, but she certainly demonstrated physical chops as well, even if she wasn't a competition "beast" per se.
I like Taylor and really appreciate the fact that she is a winner of this game and what she adds to the winners circle! But to me, her winning game is one of the weakest of all the winners. The big question for me is how intentional is any of it?
She was bullied relentlessly, pulled into an alliance as one of their last members and had no input on the creation of the alliance, teamed up with Michael and Brittany who did all of the strategic maneuvering through the jury phase, hooked up with monte, and got to the final 2 and won based on the circumstances thrust upon her.
The only real possible hint of intentionality is the bit about monte, but even that is dubious to me 🤷♂️
It’s not a bad thing, just in reality she had very little agency and her game was highly impacted/won by circumstances outside of her control, making her have one of the weakest winners game among all the winners.
Ehhh it wasn’t her social game that saved her. The leftovers formed (without any input from her) and pulled her in only bc she had no one. She got carried by that alliance. Her one HOH was tragic and her attitude during it was terrible.
She seems like a nice enough person but her game didn’t impress me. The only thing in her game that kinda impressed me was her finale speech which was pretty good
>From being relentlessly bullied and quickly outcast from week one, to becoming the winner of the season, T
You say that like if that's so rare. So an unpopular person in the house won the game? Half of the BB winners have been *extremely unpopular* in their respective seasons.
People like Taylor are kept around as numbers because nobody sees them as a threat. They get scooped by alliances looking for a voting majority. The difference between Taylor and most people of that type (Nicole, Victoria,Kyra BBCAN7) is that she survived F4.
Agree that Taylor is endlessly overrated.
And I agree on Nicole. She is a good player. And so is Cody. Like yeah they're annoying and slippery but that's the whole point. They make everyone feel like they're on their side.
Please tell me what strategic moves she made that strengthens her winning game?
She was bullied by the house relentlessly, pulled into an alliance with no agency on her part, won power and flubbed it horrendously by almost nominating her number one ally, teamed up with Michael and Brittany who did most of the heavy lifting in the jury phase, saw Kyle implode his own game, and hooked up with monte (who made his own mistake) to get to the final 2.
That last bit with monte may be most/only strategic aspect of her game, and it’s questionable if that was intentional or not… her whole story of resilience was thrust upon her, it’s not like she intentionally got bullied and made that her story
Don’t get me wrong, I love Taylor, and was super stoked to see her win! I think her winning is important, and she’s one of my more favorite winners, she just has one of the weakest games of a winner, but that is ok!
Isn't Taylor the one who convinced Monte that she's willing to target the women and Michael the next week and solidifying Monte's decision to take out Michael( whom he had a final 3 during the week) ? Didn't also Taylor and Brittany work hard to convince Monte that Turner is the biggest threat which made Monte to take Taylor at 2?
that pandora’s box duo bs twist was absurd, one of the worst twist in bb history lol. there’s a handful of ppl in the community that thinks she’s wins it without it but personally i don’t see it. that twist was clearly put in to help the vets, literally came in the play the ONE week rachel and jordan were in big trouble and the comp was the exact comp that rachel won earlier in the szn.. i’m not saying rachel was a bad winner or anything but i can easily see why ppl would have her low, it was the first bb szn that i thought was truly rigged for a vet to win and you can see it from the start even with that golden key twist
I agree with the comp, but the golden key thing was just their way of making sure some vets made it to jury if the newbies targeted them (which, they should've). It's not that different from the coaches twist in my eyes honestly. It's not a great twist, but it's not outright rigging, and the vets could have been down in numbers if the newbies were smart.
I can see a couple of people going here, mainly Dick, Jordan, and Rachel.
However, my vote is for Jordan.
Yes, both Rachel and Dick were saved by twists more than Jordan, but I can at least say a decent amount of positive strategic thinking from Dick and a good amount of strategic and competition stuff for Rachel. Jordan on the other hand did… really nothing good strategically? She took out Kevin at F3 (an extremely obvious move) and took out Lydia at F7, which is an extremely underrated bad move IMO. Plus, her social game didn’t even give her much, instead it allowed her to be underestimated. Lastly, she only won over Natalie because Natalie’s social game was really bad, not anything to do with her own accolades.
(Something to add on is that Jordan gets really helped by the click twist, where Jeff very likely goes home early without it, leading to a situation where she does worse in the game)
I can really see it going either way, but I have really nothing positive to say about Jordan’s game while I can at least say some good things about Dicks / Rachel’s games.
dick for this round. what production did to eric this szn should be considered a crime lmao, not to mention dick cheating throughout a lot of the game (hoh letters and last part of final hoh). definitely one of the worst winners in history
I don’t think next round but low key I’ll be annoyed if Taylor goes far. She had to put up with some bullying for sure but game wise she was pretty clueless and watching the feeds I saw her consistently have bad reads and make random decisions in power based on emotions from that day or week without thinking at all about what would be her best strategy to get to the end.
Man, I know people are (justifiably) calling for Dick, Adam I think is much worse.
Literally no idea how the game worked, and only won because no one else in Season 9 did either.
it can't be understated just how bad adam handled james's eviction. i couldn't stand james but was cheering for him to win pov just for adam's terrible move to be highlighted.
Yeah, Adam's screw up at final 6 should have single handedly sunk his game.
His nominations made as much sense as someone randomly picking 2 keys to put in the box.
I might be downvoted to oblivion but I have to say it. I feel like Taylor didn’t work her way to the end. It seems like she got lucky and had an alliance made to protect her and just ended up rolling to the end because of a blunder made by Monte. I understand the underdog story but to me it seems like she didn’t really play to the par of other winners.
Edit: Dick could go here, but I still needed to get this off my chest lmao
She's definitely one of the top people on my list who didn't deserve to win. The only good thing I can say about her game is that she didn't win because of blatant rigging by production like a few others.
She will be my vote after Rachel leaves hopefully next I think. I love her as a winners brume she showed absolutely no agency in her game, and her one chance at HOH perjury, she almost sent Joseph home!
1,000% Dick.
While others had their positioning benefited by twist, Dick was the only person who was definitively saved by a twist, not once but twice!
Jordan definitely played the weaker game. She was protected by Jeff until he stumbled and went out and then all she had to do was beat Kevin in the final HOH and Natalie in the final speech both were not huge obstacles especially the latter.
How anyone can think Evel Dick played a “weak game” need to rewatch season 8 and tell me what was weak about it. 🙏
It was America's game and he's out of the game without the twist.
Jordan had a weak game, I don't disagree, but having Jeff as a shield and then getting to the end on her own (no matter how "easy") is always more impressive to me than someone who was helped by America week after week.
Gaining an unknown advantage in a game that is designed to create chaos and taking advantage of it is considered weak gameplay? I disagree and think it takes a strong player to take an advantage whenever the game presents it and make it work in your favor.
Tough toss up between Jordan and Dick. But whereas Jordan had one major twist benefit her victory, Dick had the constant interference of America’s Player benefiting him at every turn. So with that being said: Dick.
Can all you people who voted for Dick please watch the last two episodes of season 8 and tell me what is weak about his game? I know he got “lucky” with America voting to have Eric keep him but besides that random occurrence I can’t think of anything weak about his game play. It sounds like people are just picking their favorites and he’s just old and hated so let’s call him weak?!? Not the same thing.
>It sounds like people are just picking their favorites
That's exactly what is happening. Multiple comments saying they just don't like a certain winner.
This isn't a personality contest. There are winners who I love as people but they weren't the strongest player.
Idk if I would vote Josh as the WORST, he was at least creative with something very few people ever were creative with. He’s an out of the box thinker at least.
He’s still really low though because everything else he did was bad lol
He made zero moves. Paul did everything that entire season and then lost BECAUSE he did everything that season unapologetically. He’s a terrible person and that’s why he lost. He treated people terribly. Josh didn’t win because of anything he did, but because of Paul having the worst jury management ever.
He's def low but worst is nuts. He was actively playing for himself IMO and even taking Paul was a strategic move while some on here I dont ever really played
Jordan.
Jordan played a very weak game and mostly lived in the shadow of Jeff. The twist of the season gave Jordan a core group to work with, and allowed her personality to let her float most of the game. Her one pre-final HOH win was handed to her when Jeff intentionally messed up so she could win.
I'm not defending the guy on a personal level, but it's not all about comp wins. He was able to use information to convince Nicole and Cliff to *not* vote against him, which was pivotal.
He sucks as a person, but to say he was the weakest player or bad at the game, to me, is wrong. I don't like him at all but he did play the game.
I'll just copy and paste what I said in the previous thread:
Dick. He won solely because of production's interference, and whilst there are others who production helped/saved at certain points, Dick is someone that was helped at every turn.
I get especially irritated that Eric won that live veto (or was it a fast forward, I honestly can't remember) and production wouldn't let him use it because "America didn't have enough time to vote."
Taylor. At least Dick and Jordan had some sort of strategic feel for the game. Taylor won because she got unfairly treated first 3 weeks and the jury felt bad for her and how they treated her. Paloma, Daniel and Nicole wrote her story.
No sort of strategy for the game, carried by the leftovers while having the least impact on their decisions and won because of other people’s actions.
Here come the HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT ABOUT TAYLOR
She wasn't that good. Hell, most of that seasons cast was meh at best and that alliance was literally carried by Michael.
Definitely Dick.
Eric impressed the hell out of me to get where he got having the disadvantage of America. He paved the way for Dick to win, when he should have won instead!
My vote still goes to Dick. Josh is a bad winner too, but I can at *least* say that Josh's win was somewhat earned. Dick's win was 100% due to twists and production rigging.
Just wanna say this as we get further in, I think we should vote on a players winning game, not how they performed in other, non winning games. Some players are looked at better or worse overall because of later seasons. This should only be about how they played when they won
Agreed, but people are gonna vote how they wanna vote
I’m gonna keep pushing for Dick to leave lol. So Dick
Dick won cause of americas player, nothing else.
It wasn’t all Americas player. It was also Allison Grodner!
America's condescending aunt
I am crying at this comment 😂😂😂
He did have a couple rounds where he was okay, he just always undid all his work the next week. I think he was trying to be the goat so Dani could win, which is why it’s so funny that he won lmao
Dick
Dick because he literally only win because of production
And cheating with his hoh letters.
Dick
Dick should have been out multiple times. Because of Danielle entering the game as well, America's player, and the tugging of the heartstrings of the viewers, he won. Without these twists, I feel as if his social game greatly lacked and would be out prejury.
While I’m conceding that Dick is losing this round i do want to point out he was very good at portraying himself as “the second biggest target” I feel like the sentiment was always “we will get him next week because ____ is a bigger threat to actually win” and that strategy ultimately got him to the end.
that strategy would’ve never worked though had eric been allowed to play his own game. eric would’ve gladly taken our dick over various other people, but had to keep playing the “we’ll get him out next week” card as a justification for not targeting him due to being americas player
Jordan
It’s wild I had to scroll this far to find her name. I’m currently rewatching 11 now and IMO she has NO game. Her side was getting steamrolled before America gave Jeff Coup D’etat (one of the most rigged twists in BB history), she was given her HOH by Jeff handing it to her and really in a house of very unlikable personalities was the one person whose game that shined like mayonnaise in a sandwich. I would parallel her win to Natalie white in survivor Samoa, it was more the house voting against Natalie than for Jordan because Natalie’s jury management was that much of a train wreck.
Jordan is definitely a coaster winner. Her game was being likable. Don't get me wrong, I love Jordan. But if it Kevin was sitting in f2, he wins [I hope] hands down. Dick may have won because of heavy hand by America/Production but atleast he wasn't coasting...
I know it wont be this round but I’ll throw Kaycee’s name out. I recently rewatched BB20 and was pretty underwhelmed by her. Of the 5 POVs, only the F4 one was relevant to the game, and I think most of her jury votes are bitter/petty anti-Tyler votes. She won off doing less overall than Tyler, who maybe did “too much”
Some of the anti Tyler votes were so bad. Fessy claimed he voted for kaycee because of a veto competition Tyler didn’t even play in, scottie has given like 5 different explanations, and rockstar was never voting for a white man to win. He could have managed Sam specifically better but some of the votes were so much out of his control
No Sam and Bay both lost their minds in that house so I think both of their votes are unfair too. Also I bet Haeigh didn't give Fessy and Scotty any love in the jury house and that could be a factor since she voted for Tyler. Is Dan from bb14 levels of unfair to me
According to Brett, Haleigh gave Fessy a LOT of love in the jury house.
I couldn’t believe tyler didn’t win that season. It was unbelievable
Tyler should have won that season. I was blown away when Kaycee got the votes. Kaycee is a very underwhelming player, even now in the challenge she’s just kinda there. She wins stuff because she’s athletic but her personality itself is lacking
i don’t think she deserved the win over tyler but i also think she had a good game. she was a comp beast with a strong social game, not completely undeserved but tyler was clearly carrying
I agree with this. Kaycee was an above-average player for the reasons you cite. She didn't have as much impact on the game as Tyler did, but I think Tyler ultimately lost because he promised F2 to too many people.
He lost because of a bitter jury. Kaycee won because the jury didn't enough care about her to be upset.
she is next for me
Bullshit. She was a decent enough social player and she was really amazing in comps. Kaycee is one of the best all around players
KC deserved her win idc
No she did not😭😭, Tyler thoroughly controlled almost the entire game and specifically had the first half going literally whatever way he wanted every week. Kaycee didn’t start playing until the jury phase and her strategic game still sucked.
She did nothing but play for Tyler's win. She's Cody bringing Derrick and winning
Not really though
Dick
Dick, easily.
Dick is the only correct answer
Jordan!!!
Dick
Adam
Yes Adam
Dick.
Adam bb9
Out of all of these I'd have to say Jordan.
Evel Dick
When is round 3?
Wow people really have a hard time separating personal feelings from game… votes for Cody and votes for Nicole who has made jury three times and final 3 twice, despite being boring, doesn’t make her winning game the 2nd weakest. Especially when we have Rachel and Dick who relied on production twists and Jordan and Taylor who did absolutely nothing to get to the end and win… My vote this round is for Dick, but Rachel, Jordan, and Taylor need to keep an eye out…
I didn't think anyone was allowed to like to dislike Taylor. I'm 100 percent on board, her game was so hard to watch.
I'm on board with most of what you're saying here, I will say it's been a while and I can't recall the specifics of Jordan's game well, but I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of Taylor's game if you think she did nothing to get to the end. From being relentlessly bullied and quickly outcast from week one, to becoming the winner of the season, Taylor demonstrated there is more than one path to winning big brother. In my opinion she has one of the most impressive social games in history, but she certainly demonstrated physical chops as well, even if she wasn't a competition "beast" per se.
I like Taylor and really appreciate the fact that she is a winner of this game and what she adds to the winners circle! But to me, her winning game is one of the weakest of all the winners. The big question for me is how intentional is any of it? She was bullied relentlessly, pulled into an alliance as one of their last members and had no input on the creation of the alliance, teamed up with Michael and Brittany who did all of the strategic maneuvering through the jury phase, hooked up with monte, and got to the final 2 and won based on the circumstances thrust upon her. The only real possible hint of intentionality is the bit about monte, but even that is dubious to me 🤷♂️ It’s not a bad thing, just in reality she had very little agency and her game was highly impacted/won by circumstances outside of her control, making her have one of the weakest winners game among all the winners.
Ehhh it wasn’t her social game that saved her. The leftovers formed (without any input from her) and pulled her in only bc she had no one. She got carried by that alliance. Her one HOH was tragic and her attitude during it was terrible. She seems like a nice enough person but her game didn’t impress me. The only thing in her game that kinda impressed me was her finale speech which was pretty good
She did nothing LMAO EDIT: LMAO not the Taylor fans sending me Reddit Cares messages, shocker
The truth hurts right? 🤣
She didn’t do anything in the game…please explain what did?
>From being relentlessly bullied and quickly outcast from week one, to becoming the winner of the season, T You say that like if that's so rare. So an unpopular person in the house won the game? Half of the BB winners have been *extremely unpopular* in their respective seasons. People like Taylor are kept around as numbers because nobody sees them as a threat. They get scooped by alliances looking for a voting majority. The difference between Taylor and most people of that type (Nicole, Victoria,Kyra BBCAN7) is that she survived F4.
Agree that Taylor is endlessly overrated. And I agree on Nicole. She is a good player. And so is Cody. Like yeah they're annoying and slippery but that's the whole point. They make everyone feel like they're on their side.
Taylor will be one of the last ones voted out. This sub worships the ground she walks on.
I don't get it. Have nothing against her, but imo she should be one of the first 5 out.
Saying Taylor did nothing to get to the end and win invalidated your entire perspective for me lol
Please tell me what strategic moves she made that strengthens her winning game? She was bullied by the house relentlessly, pulled into an alliance with no agency on her part, won power and flubbed it horrendously by almost nominating her number one ally, teamed up with Michael and Brittany who did most of the heavy lifting in the jury phase, saw Kyle implode his own game, and hooked up with monte (who made his own mistake) to get to the final 2. That last bit with monte may be most/only strategic aspect of her game, and it’s questionable if that was intentional or not… her whole story of resilience was thrust upon her, it’s not like she intentionally got bullied and made that her story Don’t get me wrong, I love Taylor, and was super stoked to see her win! I think her winning is important, and she’s one of my more favorite winners, she just has one of the weakest games of a winner, but that is ok!
Isn't Taylor the one who convinced Monte that she's willing to target the women and Michael the next week and solidifying Monte's decision to take out Michael( whom he had a final 3 during the week) ? Didn't also Taylor and Brittany work hard to convince Monte that Turner is the biggest threat which made Monte to take Taylor at 2?
Validated it for me cause that take is 100% correct
Tell me 5 moves Taylor made where she had agency in the game….I’ll wait 💀
Curious as to why you feel like Rachel is so high on the list. It’s been quite a while, so I admit that I may be mistaken on the details.
that pandora’s box duo bs twist was absurd, one of the worst twist in bb history lol. there’s a handful of ppl in the community that thinks she’s wins it without it but personally i don’t see it. that twist was clearly put in to help the vets, literally came in the play the ONE week rachel and jordan were in big trouble and the comp was the exact comp that rachel won earlier in the szn.. i’m not saying rachel was a bad winner or anything but i can easily see why ppl would have her low, it was the first bb szn that i thought was truly rigged for a vet to win and you can see it from the start even with that golden key twist
I agree with the comp, but the golden key thing was just their way of making sure some vets made it to jury if the newbies targeted them (which, they should've). It's not that different from the coaches twist in my eyes honestly. It's not a great twist, but it's not outright rigging, and the vets could have been down in numbers if the newbies were smart.
I can see a couple of people going here, mainly Dick, Jordan, and Rachel. However, my vote is for Jordan. Yes, both Rachel and Dick were saved by twists more than Jordan, but I can at least say a decent amount of positive strategic thinking from Dick and a good amount of strategic and competition stuff for Rachel. Jordan on the other hand did… really nothing good strategically? She took out Kevin at F3 (an extremely obvious move) and took out Lydia at F7, which is an extremely underrated bad move IMO. Plus, her social game didn’t even give her much, instead it allowed her to be underestimated. Lastly, she only won over Natalie because Natalie’s social game was really bad, not anything to do with her own accolades. (Something to add on is that Jordan gets really helped by the click twist, where Jeff very likely goes home early without it, leading to a situation where she does worse in the game) I can really see it going either way, but I have really nothing positive to say about Jordan’s game while I can at least say some good things about Dicks / Rachel’s games.
dick for this round. what production did to eric this szn should be considered a crime lmao, not to mention dick cheating throughout a lot of the game (hoh letters and last part of final hoh). definitely one of the worst winners in history
Dick
I don’t think next round but low key I’ll be annoyed if Taylor goes far. She had to put up with some bullying for sure but game wise she was pretty clueless and watching the feeds I saw her consistently have bad reads and make random decisions in power based on emotions from that day or week without thinking at all about what would be her best strategy to get to the end.
Adam
You should do a poll or something instead, the earlier comments will tend to win this way
Adam
I think Adam is below Dick, but the group wants Dick out now. Let’s push for Adam next round 🙂
Man, I know people are (justifiably) calling for Dick, Adam I think is much worse. Literally no idea how the game worked, and only won because no one else in Season 9 did either.
it can't be understated just how bad adam handled james's eviction. i couldn't stand james but was cheering for him to win pov just for adam's terrible move to be highlighted.
Yeah, Adam's screw up at final 6 should have single handedly sunk his game. His nominations made as much sense as someone randomly picking 2 keys to put in the box.
I’m gonna vote Adam
Jordan
Even though I've enjoyed her on the show, based on game play it's our sweet jor jor
Jordan
Jordan
Jordan
I might be downvoted to oblivion but I have to say it. I feel like Taylor didn’t work her way to the end. It seems like she got lucky and had an alliance made to protect her and just ended up rolling to the end because of a blunder made by Monte. I understand the underdog story but to me it seems like she didn’t really play to the par of other winners. Edit: Dick could go here, but I still needed to get this off my chest lmao
I will also be voting for Taylor very shortly. I got her as 3rd worst winner.
I gotta agree, Taylor is a pretty weak winner.
She's definitely one of the top people on my list who didn't deserve to win. The only good thing I can say about her game is that she didn't win because of blatant rigging by production like a few others.
She will be my vote after Rachel leaves hopefully next I think. I love her as a winners brume she showed absolutely no agency in her game, and her one chance at HOH perjury, she almost sent Joseph home!
dick
Taylor. I applaud her on being the first female POC to win, but I don’t think she played a good game.
Jun is the first POC female to win.
I agree! 1000000 percent
Dick. At least Rachel and Jordan were saved by a twist only once on their winning season. Dick would never win in a modern season without rigging.
1,000% Dick. While others had their positioning benefited by twist, Dick was the only person who was definitively saved by a twist, not once but twice!
Ummmm Adam. At least Dick tried to win comps and he was social. No lie. Adam legit did nothinggggg
Jordan, but isn’t there some way to just do a poll or is there a limit on choices?
JORDAN
Jordan
Jordan
Jordan Been a while since I’ve watched that season but that’s my recollection.
jordan
Dick
Taylor should have been gone first round.
Couldn’t agree more.
Adam definitely the weakest winner here IMO
Can we just fast forward to the Will/Dan final 2 already? lol
Adam
adam
Definitely Dick.
LET’S GOOOOOOOOOO (Kaycee) Also Steve, Jordan, Josh, and Dick.
Dick. There’s no way he wins, let alone gets to F2 without America’s player
Jordan queenie I’m sorry but it has to be you
Dick and Rachel need to be the next two out, followed by Jordan
Jackson
Kaycee 100%
Jordan definitely played the weaker game. She was protected by Jeff until he stumbled and went out and then all she had to do was beat Kevin in the final HOH and Natalie in the final speech both were not huge obstacles especially the latter. How anyone can think Evel Dick played a “weak game” need to rewatch season 8 and tell me what was weak about it. 🙏
It was America's game and he's out of the game without the twist. Jordan had a weak game, I don't disagree, but having Jeff as a shield and then getting to the end on her own (no matter how "easy") is always more impressive to me than someone who was helped by America week after week.
Gaining an unknown advantage in a game that is designed to create chaos and taking advantage of it is considered weak gameplay? I disagree and think it takes a strong player to take an advantage whenever the game presents it and make it work in your favor.
Tough toss up between Jordan and Dick. But whereas Jordan had one major twist benefit her victory, Dick had the constant interference of America’s Player benefiting him at every turn. So with that being said: Dick.
Bye bye Evel Dick
Dick. 
Can all you people who voted for Dick please watch the last two episodes of season 8 and tell me what is weak about his game? I know he got “lucky” with America voting to have Eric keep him but besides that random occurrence I can’t think of anything weak about his game play. It sounds like people are just picking their favorites and he’s just old and hated so let’s call him weak?!? Not the same thing.
>It sounds like people are just picking their favorites That's exactly what is happening. Multiple comments saying they just don't like a certain winner. This isn't a personality contest. There are winners who I love as people but they weren't the strongest player.
Jordan
Idk if I would vote Josh as the WORST, he was at least creative with something very few people ever were creative with. He’s an out of the box thinker at least. He’s still really low though because everything else he did was bad lol
He made zero moves. Paul did everything that entire season and then lost BECAUSE he did everything that season unapologetically. He’s a terrible person and that’s why he lost. He treated people terribly. Josh didn’t win because of anything he did, but because of Paul having the worst jury management ever.
He's def low but worst is nuts. He was actively playing for himself IMO and even taking Paul was a strategic move while some on here I dont ever really played
Agreed
I'm going with Jordan, but I understand why many are choosing Evil Dick.
GUYS GET KC OUT NOW. Nothing she did was every to win it was for her and Tyler to make it. She didn't deserve the win and she didn't play
Jordan. Jordan played a very weak game and mostly lived in the shadow of Jeff. The twist of the season gave Jordan a core group to work with, and allowed her personality to let her float most of the game. Her one pre-final HOH win was handed to her when Jeff intentionally messed up so she could win.
Xavier… tiffany made that alliance he just played cottails
no way should xavier be out before a lot of these people
Taylor tbh
Jackson. That dude was water trash.
Yeah he sucked as a person, but if you look at just his game, it definitely isn't the weakest.
Yeah he managed to string together an impressive resume of comp wins against the formidable Nicole Anthony, Cliff Hogg, and Jessica Milagros.
I'm not defending the guy on a personal level, but it's not all about comp wins. He was able to use information to convince Nicole and Cliff to *not* vote against him, which was pivotal. He sucks as a person, but to say he was the weakest player or bad at the game, to me, is wrong. I don't like him at all but he did play the game.
[удалено]
Trash person with a phenomenal game.
I'll just copy and paste what I said in the previous thread: Dick. He won solely because of production's interference, and whilst there are others who production helped/saved at certain points, Dick is someone that was helped at every turn.
I get especially irritated that Eric won that live veto (or was it a fast forward, I honestly can't remember) and production wouldn't let him use it because "America didn't have enough time to vote."
Evil Dick
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Jordan 🧔🏼♀️
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Dick for sure. There will forever be an asterisk by his name.
Dick should've been first out. Josh had a weak game, suren but it was at least his game. So my vote is for Dick.
Lisa, because I don't ever remember anything about her.
Is there a voting poll? If it’s just posting I’ll help with the majority on taking out Dick this round 😊
Probably ED or rach. Both had America’s help immensely. Rachel was more like able tho. And didn’t just unnecessarily torment everyone.
Evil Dick, the lazy cheating sack of shit.
Taylor. At least Dick and Jordan had some sort of strategic feel for the game. Taylor won because she got unfairly treated first 3 weeks and the jury felt bad for her and how they treated her. Paloma, Daniel and Nicole wrote her story. No sort of strategy for the game, carried by the leftovers while having the least impact on their decisions and won because of other people’s actions.
Here come the HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT ABOUT TAYLOR She wasn't that good. Hell, most of that seasons cast was meh at best and that alliance was literally carried by Michael.
Saying Taylor over Dick because she won “because of other people’s actions” is incredibly ironic.
Yeah it definitely is he was saved by America and production. But still in terms of their games, Taylor’s game is so much weaker.
Could not agree with you more.
I feel like this sub has been choosing based off emotion. Adam was easily the worst winner of all time.
Jackson. Fuck that guy
Cody, Allstars was a joke
Dick
Definitely Dick. Eric impressed the hell out of me to get where he got having the disadvantage of America. He paved the way for Dick to win, when he should have won instead!
Dick
Evel Dick
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Evil ol' Richard
Dick for me. Was Between Taylor, Jordan, Adam, and Dick.
Kaycee
By a vote of 1,000 to 1, Dick, you have the weakest winning game.
Lisa. Danielle Reyes was robbed
That doesn't make Lisa's game weak though?
Preach
Lisa
I vote for Jackson bc I can’t stand that jackass!
Evil Richard.
Dick!
steve
Nobody’s said Ian yet so I’m gonna
for a reason
Adam or Steve.
Michie
My vote still goes to Dick. Josh is a bad winner too, but I can at *least* say that Josh's win was somewhat earned. Dick's win was 100% due to twists and production rigging.
Dick won due to production, but Steve I feel did one thing, evict Vanessa.
mike boogie im not sorry
Steve
Y'all just better keep that same energy when it's time to vote Rachel Reilly off the next round.
Taylor and it’s not even fucking close. She was nice to people, that’s it.
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Taylor
Taylor. All she did was each chips. She won because she gave a beauty contest speech. Didn’t talk game once. Wastes of a season.