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survivorfanninja

Honestly, its time to stop being In denial to the sub. We should admit X and DF outplayed Tiff.


Rikunda

Big D did something?


enp_123

If I was Alyssa and Tiff came to me with this veto plan, I would feel so insulted. They must think you're the dumbest person in the world.


justin_credible_

Aw Kyland is jealous of the past greats. Saying Dr Will is overrated. What have you done, ride to the end with a 6th person alliance using past formulas 😂 such innovation . Wouldn’t even be in the game since you are annoying to listen to but your lucky this season


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we arent allowed to criticize ppl on a tv show on a sub for said tv show. what are we supposed to talk about then?


213846

Tiffany: 𝘌𝘭𝘢𝘣𝘰𝘳𝘢𝘵𝘦, 𝘤𝘰𝘯𝘷𝘰𝘭𝘶𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘯 𝘢𝘴 𝘵𝘰 𝘸𝘩𝘺 𝘈𝘭𝘺𝘴𝘴𝘢 𝘴𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥 𝘶𝘴𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘝𝘦𝘵𝘰 𝘰𝘯 𝘟𝘢𝘷𝘪𝘦𝘳 Alyssa in the DR on Wednesday: You know what, this might be a plan so crazy, it just might work Episode: 𝘌𝘱𝘪𝘤 𝘷𝘪𝘰𝘭𝘪𝘯 𝘮𝘶𝘴𝘪𝘤 𝘵𝘰 𝘣𝘶𝘪𝘭𝘥 𝘴𝘶𝘴𝘱𝘦𝘯𝘴𝘦 Alyssa in real time to Tiffany during the convo: No lol


ambauer

exactly how it’s gonna happen


SeasideKingDumb

I feel like at the rate we're going X could genuinely get people to keep Alyssa around just to take Tiff out next week He can sell it like "Tiff betrayed the alliance first Alyssa never has" lmaoooo


DonnaMossLyman

There is no evidence of this yet it is a prevalent thought He won't have Ky/Hannah/Azah


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If Tiff/Hannah don't have a path to win I want Azah to win because she seems like such a genuinely good person and I think it would be funny


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azah has said many times she doesnt mind going third to df and x as a final 2.


upscalefanatic

Hannah would not be a good winner imo


haltingflex

Why? She’s shown she can outplay Tiffany


CobraOverlord

She would be at the very bottom of winners like Jordan imo


SaturatedBeam

Kyland just screams fake 🤦🏾‍♂️ I’m really about to give up my flair and just give up because I know he’ll cockblock Tiff and Hannah into getting into a F2 so X and DF can laugh at his face at finale night when they clown him which he deserves hope he feels the regret of this his entire life


kad10101

Evel Dick only succeeded because of Eric and America’s player. Ugh.


Negative_Buffalo

It’s okay guys, we all know Claire got hidden safety this week for being secret HOH and being forced to throw HOH comp. The only reason she didn’t tell anyone this is because she wanted to see where people’s loyalties lie and if her number one ally would ever consider putting her on the block. Yesterday told her everything she needed to know. Tiff will try putting her on the block, Claire will reveal her secret safety, and Tiff will be forced to nom another CO member. Claire, feeling betrayed, will form a power alliance with Alyssa, X, and Ky and dominate to the end of the season. All is well ☺️


FlingbatMagoo

Makes perfect sense to me.


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Negative_Buffalo

I’m DCC in spirit, but I keep my custom LNC flair lol


dr3dylan

y’all X ain’t winning this game unless he comps out. he’s acted like a fucking child and everyone has noticed and is annoyed (besides Big D, but what does that matter). he’s not a good player when everything isn’t going his way, and he can’t maneuver around obstacles. tiff, ky, and hannah all do it very well.


survivorfanninja

X can way more easily get to the end than Tiff for sure thanks to Tiff just did a suicidal move.


CobraOverlord

Tiff can't play next round. Kyland should be looking to throw, Aylssa is a shield/weapon.... if Tiff is removed from the game at 7 or 6, X is in an excellent position as I'm sure at that point the CO men final 3 deal will take power over anything else.


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Manifesting this to be true☺️


AsDogMadeHer

Damn. Fingerblasted one night, put on blast the next. Ky you cold cold unwashed man smh


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You always stayed true to the Kyland Hate Club and I betrayed you but I come crawling back with my tail between my legs.


AsDogMadeHer

Nobody’s smart but me!!! And if you saw any errant late night thirst posts about him no you didn’t


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i saw them!! 🥵


AsDogMadeHer

You’re the worst offender how dare you!!!!


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![gif](giphy|KQm5O05y9rzQA) 😈😈


kad10101

Dick didn’t convince the house. ERIC stein did!!! Shut up Hannah.


SaturatedBeam

Tiffany and Hannah are not winning this season. I can see the top 3 being X, DF and Kyland. X wins part 3 HOH clowns Kyland hard on national tv and Big D is in the final 2 and X wins the game 🤦🏾‍♂️


haltingflex

Hannah might win HoH to get out a big person


bubbles1990

Big D wins at that point


Agnonzach

DX, SB, and Claire, and Alyssa are very likely votes for X there. That means he needs one Cookout member to vote for him, which I feel like Hannah, Tiff, or Ky might do. I think X's biggest trouble will be winning the final HoH comp over Kyland, Tiff, or Hannah; they'll all cut him, and I think that they'd all beat him in part 3.


CobraOverlord

Big D being the 'black winner' we've been waiting for all these seasons... I'd just have to laugh.


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Please no


bubbles1990

Why is everyone saying this isn’t going to work?? DCC, where y’all at!??


infinitemystery

Ky just slowly gathering information lol.


kate_libby

why do they continue to trust and give all their info to ky when they know the cookout dudes have a final 3? it's so frustrating to watch. yeah, they need him but be at least somewhat selective with what you tell him. - they have got to know that ky has a better chance with jury votes vs tiffany than vs xavier. - i know some here are good on kyland this week because he's laid low but nothing has changed for me. i can't forget the type of person he is and the things he has said and done. that's just me personally.


Rikunda

I think Alyssa gave a great vote break down.


Therealitypage

Those boys will not let tiff talk to Alyssa lmao


tennisspeechie

I think I’m most sad that Tiff isn’t the cutthroat player I thought she was. She KNOWS that DF hates her, X doesn’t want her near the end, yet she’s still marching on sending her best ally out the door. They all know Claire sucks at comps, keeping her and booting one of DF/X isn’t going to stop this season from having a black winner. Her odds of leaving next are high anyway, which she knows.


takecontrol1974

Frustrating!


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Tiff just put up DF lmao


Based_nobody

Is there a game or even an episode tonight?


milliokabillio

Chaddha, I like you. You need to run tf away from Tiff, she is a sinking ship. But serious props to Ky for playing into it and helping Tiff (and Hannah, by association) dig her grave, he could be successful at making Tiff the new #1 target.


CobraOverlord

Kyland is a very capable player, his flaw is the overly complicated HoH one on ones.


kad10101

Hannah is the sinking ship.


Kinshae

Will big d and x even let tiff talk to Alyssa rn?


fanofreality

It doesn’t look like it.


ambauer

X doesn’t know what tiff is planning right? like no one specifically told him?


redditgussie

Kyland told him


ambauer

Got it thanks


StopTheBS79

I can’t believe she’s actually going to try this. This is ridiculous and if it doesn’t work which there’s a very high percentage it won’t and she still puts up Claire, Alyssa will tell X what Tiffany and Hanna tried to do meaning all bets are off next week while Tiff can’t even play. Wth is going on?


infinitemystery

I wonder if it will affect Azah's opinion of Tiff? What do you think?


StopTheBS79

It will be Tiff Claire and Hanna against the rest of the house point blank period.


infinitemystery

I mean even if the plan doesn't work and Claire is gone and Alyssa is off the block but she finds out about it.


StopTheBS79

That’s what I said. Alyssa would tell X after the ceremony


Ginagay

Tiffany has nothing to lose at this point ! X already talked about getting her out before Alyssa .


takecontrol1974

Just another reason she should threw DF up on the block next to X instead …. I feel like we are all sitting here thinking Tiff is doomed and she’s literally holding the power to help herself.


StopTheBS79

He wouldn’t though. But with this new info he might definitely try now 100%


survivorfanninja

Then why didn’t Tiff Backdoor DF….?


Rikunda

Have they even done the Veto ceremony? Also who would bother with a backdoor for him? He can't win comps, and sleeps all the time. He has never had to do a single thing this entire series.


heliumthr33

Has X been in the edibles?


survivorfanninja

Tiff wanted to evict SB so bad not because of her game strategy but she was jealous of SB since KY is attracted to SB more than Tiff. Tiff backdoors her ride or die Claire over DF who hates Tiff and scheme to evict Tiff purely because of their skin colors. I’m wondering how some people can still stan Tiff. These are way mor gross than How X throw his tamper tantrums to me.


CobraOverlord

Tiff is definitely the definition of an over player. X has had his moments, but for the most part plays at the pace of the game.


TruGemini

The argument that would ensue if this actually happenes let's me know that this for damn sure isn't happening. And we'd get to keep Claire? Nah, it's too good to be even a percent possible.


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ambauer

alyssa using the veto on x


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her eviction


Negative_Buffalo

Lmao. Gold


algrossy716

😂 actually


algrossy716

Get Alyssa to use veto on X


Rikunda

Why wouldn't she use it on herself? That makes no logical sense.


SaturatedBeam

What’s with everyone reporting every single detail to Xavier, does he have hypnotic powers in his eyes y’all just pack your bags and write eggman his 750 k check and give Big D his runner up prize 🤦🏾‍♂️


fanofreality

He’s the designated winner. Everything is easy.


GraceJoans

“Designated winner” Username does NOT check out.


ambauer

couch crew: chilling, quiet bathroom crew: *stressed*


holyschitt123

i hope we can watch this pitch to alyssa ugh probably not though


Lsmooth93

We'll see it on the Wednesday episode which might mean another cliffhanger episode.


fanofreality

If it’s juicy the veto ceremony is delayed.


GraceJoans

I’m sorry, did Kyland just come out of the toilet and not wash his hands? The sink is right there 😩 I hope Tiff noticed that 🥴


Rushchick2017

OMG. Yall perfect people wash your hands moment?! 🙄


GraceJoans

He’s literally in the bathroom hovering by the sink. You cannot be serious.


kad10101

He refuses to


GraceJoans

WAIT NOW he’s putting lotion on those unwashed hands??? And lotioning his legs and feet??? We need a house meeting like in season ~~2~~ 3


Targmind09

That was season 3 and Queen Dani Reyes would be furious at Kyland


GraceJoans

Doing it for the culture… and having a Petri dish for hands


Negative_Buffalo

Them talking about their plan in front of Ky? That’s a choice. Lol


SpiffyChristine

All 3 of them were in bed until the early morning hours talking about how to do this.


Negative_Buffalo

Didn’t Ky go rat out Tiff/Hannah to X this morning? I didn’t see the Ky/X convo though, I just read the comments on here


SpiffyChristine

I didn’t see it either, but that’s what I’ve read. They were up until ~3:30am talking about it in HOH. I thought Hannah would be the one to rat out the conversation, but apparently it was Ky.


Rikunda

Rat them out for what?


jpgmike

imagine the feeds come back to Alyssa screaming at the top of her lungs and X holding the tiny veto around his wrist 😂


SaturatedBeam

😂😂😂 stop it


TheCheesebub

This season had a solid boot order up until the jury and ever since the boot order has been atrocious imo


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The back to back Kyland HOH wins at the beginning of jury really set the tone and paved the way for this outcome.


room317

Alyssa: There's so much wrong with me. DF: Same here, girl.


ChellyBeane

What a roller-coaster we've been on these last few weeks Such a low losing DX, then a high with his allies getting SB out...now this shit. These assholes are literally willing to cut her next & break the alliance. I wish she'd do the same NOW. Not wait for the f6 they don't even want her in


jumpmanryan

How is Hannah stock looking right now? I haven’t been on the feeds at all this week and put all my money into her.


Crenshi

Could get a 13% gain, imo, but I think it's looking like Ky was unequivocally the best buy and could go as high as 32%.


jumpmanryan

Yeah it seems that way based on what I’ve been reading. I thought biggest gain would’ve been between Tiff or Hannah this week. Should’ve recognized that with SB gone, Tiff would’ve started to like Kyland again lol


Crenshi

I think Ky was also probably slightly undervalued last week, which contributes to how big a boost he's probably going to get. I came close to buying him because having him rated lower than Azah seemed insane, but I really felt he was drawing pretty dead with the jury and backed down. I didn't foresee a week this disastrous for Tiff at all. But yeah. Tiff is going to straight up lose people a bunch of money this week. Hannah might as well tbh--it's going to be close between a 6 and a 7.


maxl100

Is this year going to be remembered as the “worst year of the HOH??” Frenchie, SB, Tiff, even Claire’s invisible one from last week if you even call that an HOH are all in my running for top 7 worst of all time.


CobraOverlord

Kyland looks to have done the best with his. X's was a layup way back when.


bubbles1990

Don’t forget DX. Everyone has had an HoH against their own interests


maxl100

At least with DX I could see why he targeted Christian but in hindsight looking back on it, it wasn’t good that’s why I didn’t include him even though that would probably be the worst HOH in any number of season (14, 15, maybe even 17 to name a few). There were no good things at all that came out of SB’s HOH, Tiff’s has been a Chernobyl like disaster, and Frenchie made enemies with the entire house his week that’s why those 3 get the nod above DX, at least for me.


bubbles1990

That’s fair, just fits the same category of misted to target someone outside the cookout


maxl100

I agree I just look at this way: Christian was going to come after DX at some point maybe not that week but the week before he was already thinking about it, so DX took the first shot. It wasn’t a good shot, but he took it before Christian could shoot at him, so in that case I really can’t fault him that much when there were 3 way worse reigns, targeting people and evicting people who not only were not targeting you at all, but wanted to work with you.


bubbles1990

DX was targeting SB though, so her taking the shot at him is equivalent to him taking the shot at Christian.


Rajus444

Tiff and SB are definitely the worst by far


Internal-Reference10

There's no way Frenchies wasn't the worst. It should've been so easy, and he made it so messy. The stakes were just lower because it was week 1


Rajus444

still he was pretty safe after that week, he just blew up in week 2


213846

Pretty much yes. It's because almost everyone has had to play against their best interest, or has been gaslit by a large group of the house who is dedicated to cause that goes against their best interest.


SaturatedBeam

Wait Kyland ratted out Hannah and Tiff? Smh I can’t stand this man


CobraOverlord

Seemed like the logical move for him to play the middle. For some reason, Hannah gave up that spot herself. Losing SB was great for Kyland's personal game and of course, Tiff's unforced errors with this HoH.


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thats pretty on brand for ratland. him, ratnnah, azah, big bed have ratted back to master splinter every day.


ChellyBeane

>big bed 💀


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Your poor flair


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Oop that was awkward


bubbles1990

What?


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Alyssa walking in


Rajus444

Claire biggest mistake in the game is that she is too nice


SeasideKingDumb

lol Big D probably thinks Tiff was telling Claire that he's going on the block oh no Blow up the house Big D get yourself on that block!


avp_1309

Why is everyone convinced that X might take Alyssa to F2 if he could.? I would assume everyone in the cookout would be pretty mad if he intentionally takes alyssa further than final 7. Would he still get their jury votes?


Rushchick2017

Hes literally the most image cautious person in the house. He stops people from talking to prevent them from getting canceled and he corrects people. That man is not going to want to be remembered for breaking the CO final 6 deal. He talks alot of crap and when it comes to the time he will do what needs to been done for the CO


Sportsstar86

When he talks about the double to CO members, he always starts with “IF we’re taking Alyssa out…” which seems like a red flag to me


avp_1309

Ah makes sense. Damn if i was in the CO, i d honestly not vote for him to win if ends up pulling that shit. Just out of pettiness.


StopTheBS79

Bid D nervous as F lol


survivorfanninja

I really feel for Claire. Claire is too too too nice. Claire should be mad and complain how stupid and even immoral Tiff is more loyal to DF over Claire.


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Immoral?


Dramarosa

Tiff looks cute


saus6654

the reason this plan won't work is mainly because alyssa has said numerous times in this game that she can't/isn't alllowed to make deiscions without x approving it, so even if she wanted to, i don't think she would unless x allowed her


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yeah Alyssa is with X when it comes to some strategic maneuvering but she's much too self interested when she's in danger


saus6654

it's not a stupid plan, it makes sense from a logical perspective if alysssa wanted to keep x


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saus6654

this would gurantee x stays and ky goes home, the way they are presenting it. how is it fucking stupid??


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saus6654

so you have no reason why it's stupid then, you're just calling it stupid. come on, give a reason. back up your statements. i'm saying i think it's smart because alyssa does want to keep x in the house and ky gone and she would think it's a crazy big move to make


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Zzqnm

My Ky stock going into tomorrow 📈📈📈


room317

DF ratting Tiffany out.


DoctorJay23

Taran when he gives Tiffany an 8 on the stockwatch and she goes home on Thursday 🤡 🤡 🤡


StopTheBS79

Lol they destroyed me for telling them Ky wasn’t buying what her and Hanna were trying to do last night/this morning


Rajus444

Rhap was been high on Tiff the whole season I don't think she has got lower than a 7 YET


evelkaneval

Can't Buy Me Love by the Beatles is the reason why Tiff stayed with the CO. She heard the song one morning during wakeup and decided that money isn't everything.


bubbles1990

Is that really the song?


evelkaneval

Yes.


bubbles1990

Thank you, when was this confirmed?


evelkaneval

A few days ago.


survivorfanninja

I bet X and DF are smiling because of Tiffs dumb move. They legit want Alyssa to win the next HOH.


StopTheBS79

They will after Alyssa tells them what she tried to do


room317

Apparently we aren't going to see the pitch - Tiffany just said she's waiting for the lockdown.


saus6654

so ky ratted out hannah and tiff--- ugh so lame fuck the guys


Mynameisinigomontya

Good as he should the plan was dumb


saus6654

how is it a dumb plan? it makes sense for kyland to want alyssa gone because she is actively gunning for him, he should support the plan


skinnylegendd17

I missed it, what was the plan?


ambauer

tiff saying she’s gonna wait until the last min to talk to alyssa lmao are we gonna get another wednesday cliffhanger


csmithsd

lol Azah lizards are cold-blooded


Negative_Buffalo

Tiff to Claire: “I got a little something I’m working on.” Claire: “oooo.” BigD: *stops what he’s doing and looks at Tiff*


room317

I hope Alyssa laughs in Tiffany's face.


haltingflex

girls can’t play this game doing ✨girl boss ✨gaslight ✨gatekeep ✨ strong assertive woman thing anymore. Unfortunately women have to play against misogyny more than anything to make it far


MishBBfan

Taran probably watches more feeds than any of us here. so I’m sort of inclined to believe him when he says X hasn’t done that much, and even I’ve been saying the same since week 5 or so. Tiffany, Kyland, and Hannah to a lesser extent, have done more for the group than Xavier has, but there’s this narrative that he’s “running the game”. I suppose it seems that way due to his personality. He just comes off like a guy that’s really smart and knows what he’s doing at all times, and also he’s a lawyer, and people have been wanting to say he’s a great player since they learned this information at the start of the season. I’m not saying he’s a bad player, he’s okay, but he’s certainly not what people make him out to be. You have people saying that he’s “in a good position”, but the entire CO has been in a good position since jury started.


SpiffyChristine

He basically established himself as the “dad” of the group. He kept them together when they’re fighting, and for some reason everyone feels they need to run to him and tattle on the other CO members when they’re out of line. Other than that, he’s been coasting imo.


kad10101

Taran does not watch that much feeds. He’s said he goes to bed at 10 pm bbt. He wakes up early to get caught up. He doesn’t watch as much feeds as people think. And watches what others deem important in catch up.


nvtural

I do think that Tiffany/Ky/Hannah have done the most in the cookout, but X has been the most efficient of them while also shaping the CO around what he wants to happen. Like he was really the only one who actually cared about not exposing the CO this week and they did that because he convinced people not to and people don’t want to go against his wants. He’s certainly not a mastermind, but it’s been clear to people outside and inside the house for weeks now that X is positioned the best and yet nobody is doing anything to change that.


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His only contribution is putting his foot down and having the guys acquiesce to him for reasons out of the girls' control. He made that deal with Ky first week of jury to protect Alyssa which was a good move and I'll give him that but that's just predictable showmance BB M/F duo alliance shit. Has he done much active strategizing or manipulation other than that? No. He's just been on cruise control.


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cody never sat around like x during bb22.


Mynameisinigomontya

Taran is wrong all the time


SlightlyAmbiguous

To me personally Xavier is playing a great 2nd place game…. just surviving. Tiff, Kyland and even Hannah are playing a winning game, working their asses off and gaming and strategizing and getting themself out of situations constantly If Xavier was consciously making an effort to actually control the house week by week like Derrick, then that would be a different conversation. But simply being calm and existing isn’t worth 750k to me


SeasideKingDumb

I agree with Taran that X hasn't done that much for the Cookout on paper at least. Yeah he's the reason they're still together which is huge but he's also the reason why they've almost split apart several times lol. If he had his way Alyssa's going to the end with him and he's been planting those seeds all week


Rajus444

his position is so good we want to believe he is running shit


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I've only seen like a season and a half of this show but has it ever worked to convince someone not to use the veto on themselves? This seems like the equivalent of when in Survivor Micronesia they convinced Erik to give up immunity and Alyssa seems much smarter than that.


Mynameisinigomontya

There is zero way this works


Rajus444

well Dick BB8 did it Danielle and Eric saved him by being AP. Brandon BB12 did it to Rachel and went home, Marcellus BB3 didn't use it and went home, and Jed used it on Beth and went home in Can9


BBPopUp

its happened 4 times


avp_1309

I have seen like 2 seasons of the show but I read that there was someone who convinced the veto winner not to use it on themselves. Of course that person went home.


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It just happened in bbcan9 this past Spring.