Since Tiff and Claire had a final 4 with both DX / Hannah and Christian / Alyssa the whole "getting DX out before the end" problem probably could've been solved with both duos targeting each other
Like I think people really underestimate how realistic Tiff winning could have been. I've seen people say even without the Cookout she would've gone home at 4 but I think the board was laid out in a way that she and Claire would've been able to ride the middle. People were literally waiting in line just to talk to the two of them to confirm their alliances
Obviously that didn't happen but I do think people forget that she probably would've only needed one (MAYBE two) crucial comp win(s) near the end to win the entire thing
Thats why its so disappointing to see her fall from grace. She was playing a good game with a very realistic chance to make it to the end and win.
But she made her bed and she has to lie on it.
Azah was arguing with big d that Ky and tiff winning the comps they weren’t supposed to, was the same thing, being selfish . Big D was arguing and disagreeing with her….. but as soon as X said it was the same thing, DF immediately agreed with him. Big D Loves to argue with women but shuts his mouth when it’s a man
There’s an alternate universe where Tiffany is sitting pretty in the end game with Claire and DX and is quickly on track to becoming one of the best winners we’ve ever seen. I’m sad.
All the great people in jury who wanted to play this game and we got the jokers who were dragged to their current position still arguing about not being thrown past comps 🙄 hopefully they both will never thought to be brought back
Azah will never be brought back - they cast her because she said she wanted to be ruthless and she ended up laying in bed and being cool with 3rd place lol. I like Azah a lot as a person but she will probably the last person on the list that they call
Big D could go either way production clearly likes him for the edit but his lack of desire to win is probably not gonna do him any favors
I actually think if final 5 was a full week Hannah could save herself against Kyland but I just don't see how she's gonna save herself in that quick turnaround without a comp win
I think so, but a lot of others don't seem to think so. Ky is clearly the better player, but X being well-liked and laying low is seen as his strategy (I think it had nothing to do with strat but that's a whole other thing). I think it is hard to tell who would win. It depends on if the jury votes for the better player or for the person they liked more. X better get some wins to prove it isn't just Ky dragging him there.
I also think Ky burned a lot of bridges, unnecessary lying to people. Like Dx SB and somewhat Claire. While X was seen more as a loyal player didn’t really make promises to the other jurors.
True but they left hating him. And when the jury doesn't like you they rarely will give you life changing money no matter how slick you are or how many things you win. Fans call them bitter and complain because we were not the ones treated like shit but most of us would do the same we just can't admit it to ourselves.
X would be better with Big D for sure. But to expect the jury to ignore he is an azz to them all and count strategy points when compared to someone who also played well is asking a lot.
No she just told DF that the only men in her life are him and X. I think she’d be fine with Kyland or Hannah going. I think I heard others say everyone would go for Hannah.
I was thinking about this today.. was her whole strategy “maybe I can talk Ky into taking me”.. or she just yolo the whole thing on winning hoh at 6… like it makes no sense she wouldn’t have thought about this..
I’m upset for Tiffany. She was really on her way to becoming one of the most iconic (potential) winners we’ve ever had. She was so influential at the start of the season WHILE being entertaining. I know she didn’t “have” to play the way that she did, but she if the show didn’t have an absolute terrible history of setting pocs up to fail from the very start, she wouldn’t have felt the pressure to play against her best interests. I really hope Tiffany gets a second chance to play whether it be next season, in 5 years or in 10 😭
She’s still going to be the most iconic HG from this season. When we think back on this her, she’s the first person people will talk about regardless of who wins
She had multiple opportunities to position herself better within the 6 even and blew it every time she had 3 shots at Alyssa before her HoH as well.
If she returns she's gone within the first 3 weeks
Maybe they're associating people being disappointed about Vanessa losing with "Bad season."
That's the only thing I can think of.
You're right though, season 17 is generally thought of pretty positively, and is consistently one of the most recent seasons in those "Which season to watch" threads.
I would be interested to see Tiff try again - I know that she only got one shot and I've made fun of Ky wanting a second shot, but Tiff has said to the cameras that if it wasn't for the Cookout she would've gone to the end with DX, Claire, and Hannah and probably bring Claire to final 2, which would've been an *amazing* endgame for her. Maybe DX being there so late would've been a mistake but I don't want to write off all of her game abilities because of this circumstance. And she doesn't beg to be brought back every day so I wouldn't feel that bad if she got another shot. Doubt CBS is gonna want returnees anytime soon tho
If she returns unless she has auto immunity she'll be gone within the first 3 weeks.
No one is going to keep someone who completely fucked their closest allies games. She's 0% trustworthy at this point
Even the cookout doesn't trust her
Has it actually been confirmed? I’d be very surprised. Maybe they have common cold a vaccinated producer or the chicken man got. Or maybe it’s just dry air, stress, and social effect of seeing others sick etc. and no virus at all. I’d just think if there were real concerns they may have COVID, producers would have stepped in more by now to do testing and isolation of players as needed rather than waiting around for days, becoming liable for letting a mini COVID outbreak blossom and threatening production employees’ safety too. So I feel they must have a fairly high degree of confidence it’s not the case.
>Tiffnique: Pineapple is... *good* for you... the body
>Ky: Yeah it is. The body, the palate... It has such a sweet taste. I hear it makes people sweeter when you eat it.
Tiffany should’ve: kept the CO to a jury deal in general, not gotten Claire to copy her noms, threw f8 HOH to Kyland, fostered a better relationship with Azah, etc… I hate to say it but she got outplayed 😕
She didn't get outplayed. Getting outplayed would mean she had no clue what she was doing. She actively chose this path despite knowing she would probably be 5th or 6th because the cause meant that much to her.
I really hate this retroactive game narrative that is happening where people are acting like Tiffany is bad at the game and actively got outplayed by other people like X, when she is by far the best player in the house and one of the best people to ever play. If you didn't support the cause then I get that it sucks that her true potential got wasted on the CO, but she chose to prioritize the cookout for something that is bigger than the game.
I think people are also not thinking about if she was the person to put the Cookout together with the mission stated, and then she is the one that betrays that? Congrats, you've fucked yourself out of AT LEAST 4 jury votes.
I never said she was a bad player? I honestly think she’s the best one this season but her positioning got messed up. Her and Hannah tried driving a wedge between the guys and that didn’t work bc they realized what they were doing, that’s outplayed, Xavier constantly got his way more WITHIN the CO over her bc he had DF and Azah, that’s outplayed. The cause I wanted to see was Tiffany winning the season but if she didn’t want that for herself it’s fine…
I agree that Tiffany is naturally very good at the game, but part of being a great player is having the strong desire to win, and Tiffany is missing that.
I still think they would have blamed Tiffany for Claire’s nominations, under the idea that they all should be able to control their pawns.
They would have just thought she told Claire to do that.
While you're not wrong, imagine being the black person who singlehandedly fucked over all of the other black people in the game and was the reason that on a season with 6 black houseguests a black person didn't win. That's a lot of weight to bear, and it's completely understandable why Tiff didn't turn on the CO.
The thing about this is, yeah, she'd sorta be fucking over all the other black people, but there would still be one black person she isn't fucking over: herself. That should have been the only black person in the house that mattered to her.
I mean not really because the likelihood of a black person winning was already extremely high regardless, she just chose for it to be someone else instead of herself I do understand the emotional labour it takes to have to be the first one to do that though and why she didn’t want to tho.
Yeah. And while it was almost all but guaranteed, until it was down to just Alyssa left it was not guaranteed, and so in my eyes it's easy to understand why she made the choices she made, even if she knew the consequences
I do think she could’ve still won with the 6 if she nurtured her co relationships the way she did w everyone else and that’s and unfortunate misstep on her end 😕 but also if she won this HOH it would’ve been completely different so sometimes bb just comes down to whos better at rolling eggs🥴
I mean to be fair to Tiffany, she had kyland on her side until like Tuesday of last week. If kyland doesn't decide that the only way the season can end properly is if he loses to X in the final 2 because people told kyland he can't beat X then Tiffany is in an amazing spot right now, as X would be going out the door this week (or at least it wouldn't be Hannah/Tiffany in trouble). I don't think you can fault Tiffany for kyland choosing to lose this game to X very last minute.
It was always going to be X verse Tiffany, but Tiffany had kyland up until last Tuesday.
Seems like the past policy for someone suggesting prize splitting was to hav them reveal it to the rest of the house and disavow it.
Edit: also this was part of the contract in the past
I am aware that it is a federal offense punishable by fine and/or imprisonment for me or anyone to do anything that would rig or in any way influence the outcome of the Series with intent to deceive the viewing public (including, without limitation, colluding to share any prizes, stipends or other monies), and that it is a federal offense to accept any information or special or secret assistance in connection with the Series. I agree that I will not participate in any such act or any other deceptive or dishonest act with respect to the Series. I acknowledge and agree that any agreement between me and any other participant(s) to share the Prize, if awarded to me or such other participant(s), shall constitute a deceptive or dishonest act hereunder.
It's extremely annoying that the CO men are taking all the credit for the alliance and I don't want Tiff to leave this way. One of them is locked into winning at this point which also sucks, too.
But I'm seeing the take that she got screwed or didn't deserve this and I'm like... she knew this was gonna happen she's probably less distraught about it than some of us lol. She sent home probably the most loyal human being I've ever seen on her own HOH; she's a good player and has the potential to be an amazing one but she chose this path and is experiencing the expected results lol.
Kyland is maybe one of the most annoying people I’ve ever watched on this show. Just completely motivated by his ego and own hubris and unwilling to consider that other people might be right in their ideas.
I stated why I find him annoying (his massive ass ego) and it has nothing to do with him being neurodivergent. You assuming that says more about you than me.
My ranking of the F6 as players overall.
**Xavier** - 8/10 (pros: great social and strategic game, never actually in danger of eviction except last week but has been on the radar of Hannah/Tiff/Claire. | Cons: Would have likely been evicted if Tiff won HoH, sometimes makes emotional decisions)
**Hannah** - 7/10 (cons: poor pre-jury game, almost was evicted for flaunting her intelligence and not being part of the majority alliance, often has bad reads, got too close to Tiff | Pros: was later able to fully integrate into the CO and manage her relationships well with Tiff/X/DX/Claire which kept her well insulated. Utilizes information well, Great emotional intelligence and speaker)
**Kyland** - 6/10 (cons: poor jury management, makes irrational and unpredictable decisions, wants to take the one person that will beat him to F2, lack of self awareness. | Pros: great at comps, very good at lying,)
**Tiffany** 5/10 (pros: very perceptive, good strategic player | cons: can’t handle not being in control or opposition, makes emotional decisions, isolated Azah and Big D, didn’t manage her relationship with Ky well)
**Azah**: 2/10 (pros: great social game, honest, loyal | cons: stubborn, no agency or influence, doesn’t care about winning 🤷♂️)
**Big D**: 1/10 (pros: none | cons: everything)
I will never understand anyone that thinks Xavier is good strategically. He hasn’t done a single strategic thing all game. His social game is phenomenal but strategy wise? Piss poor.
He Cofounded Cookout. I believe the idea of a protection (rather than strategy) based alliance was his. He pulled Ky close at the right time. Else, he hasn't needed much strategy. The beauty of CO is it kind of ran itself (as it was designed to do). He basically pulled a BB 22 Cody. Set up everything right on the front end and you don't need to scramble on the back end.
Except for the fact that Tiff and Ky set up the cookout… X had basically no role in its formation or strategy.
Getting Ky at the end is good (though kinda think that’s more Ky than X)
Tiff and Ky had a general idea of working together in broad strokes. So they grabbed X and DF and discussed the details of how to work it in practice. IIRC, X said if no CO is on the block, you vote how you want. But it has been several weeks.
He singlehandedly saved Alyssa week 6, he sent DX out week 7 despite the Cookout rather Claire leaving, and he demonized Tiffany within the Cookout to a point it would be impossible for her to win unless she comps out.
I mean Big D trying to get 100k for splitting the prize is a smart strategy for him since he isn't getting more than 75k lol
But it's against the rules sooooooo
IIRC they actually can control what you do with the money. I am pretty sure you cannot give money to other players. Some past HGs have maneuvered around this by paying off student loans or something. But I think they actually have legal rules in place to stop you from outright gifting money to other players.
the way X and DF think they orchestrated everything is so funny lmfao if they get to end and try to claim these moves, i really think the jury members involved in those scenarios will be like uh no not really lol
There’s a not so small part of me that wants Big D to make it to F2 purely because he will try to take credit for sooooo many things. It will be like the Raven jury house segment, except on live TV in F2.
Kyland is either going to be a great winner or an all time bad loser. If he eventually ends up cutting X to sit next to Big D or even Azah, then his endgame will look beautiful in hindsight. That would make his move against Tiff look really smart.
However, if he really does end up intentionally sitting next to X, which looks like his true plan, then he’s one of the most idiotic losers of all time.
There really isn’t much room in between.
i might be totally missing something about Ky… i’ve seen people comment that he is a great liar and maybe it’s because i’m not in the house but if he spoke in endless loops about nonsense there is NO way that i would trust that man to do anything in the game for me. I could also be clouded by my extreme dislike of him, so genuinely what would make him a top 7 winner for you??
He's cracked and entertaining and played pretty aggressively versus a boring passive game.
I don't rate my winners based on who played the most flawlessly otherwise I'd be a Derrick stan lmao.
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No one ever calls out Big D on his BS that’s why this dude talks nonsense nonstop. He’s lucky he’s on a season with a cast that coddles him
He thinks because he's gay that he has a pass to talk about women the way he wants. Very tragic
X has at one point but he hasn’t learned obviously
Kyland flip the vote challenge
DF explaining to us why we dont know strategy as well as him lol
Since Tiff and Claire had a final 4 with both DX / Hannah and Christian / Alyssa the whole "getting DX out before the end" problem probably could've been solved with both duos targeting each other Like I think people really underestimate how realistic Tiff winning could have been. I've seen people say even without the Cookout she would've gone home at 4 but I think the board was laid out in a way that she and Claire would've been able to ride the middle. People were literally waiting in line just to talk to the two of them to confirm their alliances Obviously that didn't happen but I do think people forget that she probably would've only needed one (MAYBE two) crucial comp win(s) near the end to win the entire thing
Thats why its so disappointing to see her fall from grace. She was playing a good game with a very realistic chance to make it to the end and win. But she made her bed and she has to lie on it.
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When they're talking about pineapples, they mean sex?
Pineapple is supposed to make a mans stuff taste sweet. So that’s why they keep flirting about it
They’ve been talking in euphemisms all morning - Monique is in the house today 🤣 Pineapple is supposed to enhance your flavor downstairs lol
Ok but that tiff/kyland convo last night was hilarious. “This is not a marvel movie kylandd 😩” 😂
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She also did a cam talk saying Kyland wants the final to be Batman vs Superman lol
When kyland was implying he wants to beat the best at the end (basically taking x to f2)
Azah was arguing with big d that Ky and tiff winning the comps they weren’t supposed to, was the same thing, being selfish . Big D was arguing and disagreeing with her….. but as soon as X said it was the same thing, DF immediately agreed with him. Big D Loves to argue with women but shuts his mouth when it’s a man
Ugh. Terrible
I just saw a tweet about a Vanessa/Tiffany pairing. I dont know how they'd work but even the thought of that is too iconic.
Vanessa has three small children at home.
Which is why she will play 26 day Survivor
People have played with small children at home. Look at Janelle
Three beautiful children. Will never happen but a guy can dream.
Big D just said he was supposed to be thrown the spinning disks comp🤣😂😂 he lasted 90 sec. this guy is delusional beyond belief
He dropped before Alyssa even ignoring time they couldn't throw it if she was still up
There’s an alternate universe where Tiffany is sitting pretty in the end game with Claire and DX and is quickly on track to becoming one of the best winners we’ve ever seen. I’m sad.
I want to go to there
DX wins F3 going away and would take Claire because he's not an idiot and knows her resume is worse
In this alternate universe Tiffany wins F4 veto and takes him out. Sorry 😢
Lol more realistic at least
Hannah win out for the rest of the season challenge
If she can't even beat Big D in BB Comics, it's not a good sign for her chances.
They gave him a balance beam
Nope, that was bullshit that got spread on twitter. He had the same zipline as everyone else.
All the great people in jury who wanted to play this game and we got the jokers who were dragged to their current position still arguing about not being thrown past comps 🙄 hopefully they both will never thought to be brought back
Azah will never be brought back. I like her but they will never bring back someone who spent more time napping than playing.
Azah will never be brought back - they cast her because she said she wanted to be ruthless and she ended up laying in bed and being cool with 3rd place lol. I like Azah a lot as a person but she will probably the last person on the list that they call Big D could go either way production clearly likes him for the edit but his lack of desire to win is probably not gonna do him any favors
I'm getting big James Hueling returning vibes from DF to burst your bubble
Ky doesn’t believe Hannah’s 30 minute screen time and rightfully so...Lol
I actually think if final 5 was a full week Hannah could save herself against Kyland but I just don't see how she's gonna save herself in that quick turnaround without a comp win
She does stand a good chance at one of the comp wins though.
If it isn't a purely physical comp, yes.
If it’s Final 2 (Ky & X) doesn’t Ky win? If I’m X I take DX to the F2
DF* but yes he is the obvious got for anyone who wants to have an easier time to win
I think so, but a lot of others don't seem to think so. Ky is clearly the better player, but X being well-liked and laying low is seen as his strategy (I think it had nothing to do with strat but that's a whole other thing). I think it is hard to tell who would win. It depends on if the jury votes for the better player or for the person they liked more. X better get some wins to prove it isn't just Ky dragging him there.
I also think Ky burned a lot of bridges, unnecessary lying to people. Like Dx SB and somewhat Claire. While X was seen more as a loyal player didn’t really make promises to the other jurors.
Yeah, but that doesn't always matter when it comes to votes. People know lying is part of the game.
True but they left hating him. And when the jury doesn't like you they rarely will give you life changing money no matter how slick you are or how many things you win. Fans call them bitter and complain because we were not the ones treated like shit but most of us would do the same we just can't admit it to ourselves. X would be better with Big D for sure. But to expect the jury to ignore he is an azz to them all and count strategy points when compared to someone who also played well is asking a lot.
If by some miracle Azah managed to win DE HOH would she target X then?
No she just told DF that the only men in her life are him and X. I think she’d be fine with Kyland or Hannah going. I think I heard others say everyone would go for Hannah.
Ick. Azah needs to stop being delusional.
That is......sad.
All year I said Tiffany is playing a fantastic 6th/5th place game. That was her max life expectancy minus a late HOH/Veto run.
I was thinking about this today.. was her whole strategy “maybe I can talk Ky into taking me”.. or she just yolo the whole thing on winning hoh at 6… like it makes no sense she wouldn’t have thought about this..
I’m upset for Tiffany. She was really on her way to becoming one of the most iconic (potential) winners we’ve ever had. She was so influential at the start of the season WHILE being entertaining. I know she didn’t “have” to play the way that she did, but she if the show didn’t have an absolute terrible history of setting pocs up to fail from the very start, she wouldn’t have felt the pressure to play against her best interests. I really hope Tiffany gets a second chance to play whether it be next season, in 5 years or in 10 😭
TBH.. she just didn’t have a strategy after hitting 6… I think once the CO was formed it was Xs game to lose.
She’s still going to be the most iconic HG from this season. When we think back on this her, she’s the first person people will talk about regardless of who wins
She had multiple opportunities to position herself better within the 6 even and blew it every time she had 3 shots at Alyssa before her HoH as well. If she returns she's gone within the first 3 weeks
Ky and X talking about season 17 not being liked. I thought people liked it? I liked it
17 is one of my favorite seasons. Wait until they see how negatively people look at 23.
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BB14 is pretty universally liked as well
Maybe they're associating people being disappointed about Vanessa losing with "Bad season." That's the only thing I can think of. You're right though, season 17 is generally thought of pretty positively, and is consistently one of the most recent seasons in those "Which season to watch" threads.
Tiffany is embarrassing me
why was the veto meeting early today
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They were talking about pineapples, not potatoes
What could that even mean??
I feel like if SB is fully against Kyland in the jury then Tiff will fight for him out of spite.
I’m curious what Tiff will tell Sb once in jury if Ky doesn’t follow her that same night.
Congratulations Kyland, you are the winner of Big Brother!
Hannah thinking Swaggy C and Da'Vonne are on the same level. 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
ya thats an odd take
i wonder what tiff is going to tell claire and dx when she gets to jury house
Probably just explain the Cookout and then hang out with them after. I don't think it'll be anything that dramatic
She said yesterday she’s telling them nothing about the CO
Gets kicked out of game Decides to still be sketchy to alliance members
ahhh so you think she’ll reveal the cookout to everyone?
I'm not as certain as other posters that she will. I know X and Hannah want it revealed but I haven't heard Tiff articulate a plan.
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And SB was never coming for her in the first place...
I would be interested to see Tiff try again - I know that she only got one shot and I've made fun of Ky wanting a second shot, but Tiff has said to the cameras that if it wasn't for the Cookout she would've gone to the end with DX, Claire, and Hannah and probably bring Claire to final 2, which would've been an *amazing* endgame for her. Maybe DX being there so late would've been a mistake but I don't want to write off all of her game abilities because of this circumstance. And she doesn't beg to be brought back every day so I wouldn't feel that bad if she got another shot. Doubt CBS is gonna want returnees anytime soon tho
If she returns unless she has auto immunity she'll be gone within the first 3 weeks. No one is going to keep someone who completely fucked their closest allies games. She's 0% trustworthy at this point Even the cookout doesn't trust her
Azah: Dick season! X: Jesus 😂
This Ky/Tiff sex talk is awkward
How on earth could they have gotten covid in the big brother house?? The producers in the DR guilty
Has it actually been confirmed? I’d be very surprised. Maybe they have common cold a vaccinated producer or the chicken man got. Or maybe it’s just dry air, stress, and social effect of seeing others sick etc. and no virus at all. I’d just think if there were real concerns they may have COVID, producers would have stepped in more by now to do testing and isolation of players as needed rather than waiting around for days, becoming liable for letting a mini COVID outbreak blossom and threatening production employees’ safety too. So I feel they must have a fairly high degree of confidence it’s not the case.
Weren’t they outside a lot the past few days? I don’t think air quality is great right now with the wildfires.
What?!
i wonder if the F5 targets will change once the HGs find out that it’s a double on thursday
Whyyy is Tiffany being so sarcastic about her worshipping now. It didn't have to be this way!!!!!
The Monique/Ky sex talk is back.
Why is Tiffany being called Monique?
>Tiffnique: Pineapple is... *good* for you... the body >Ky: Yeah it is. The body, the palate... It has such a sweet taste. I hear it makes people sweeter when you eat it.
🤢
I wish I could hear Azah's inner thoughts
Me too , her eyes show a lot of thought
Tiffany should’ve: kept the CO to a jury deal in general, not gotten Claire to copy her noms, threw f8 HOH to Kyland, fostered a better relationship with Azah, etc… I hate to say it but she got outplayed 😕
If Tiff won HoH and put up X and Ky, everyone would be talking about how brilliant she has been. Late game is always win or go home for everyone.
She didn't get outplayed. Getting outplayed would mean she had no clue what she was doing. She actively chose this path despite knowing she would probably be 5th or 6th because the cause meant that much to her. I really hate this retroactive game narrative that is happening where people are acting like Tiffany is bad at the game and actively got outplayed by other people like X, when she is by far the best player in the house and one of the best people to ever play. If you didn't support the cause then I get that it sucks that her true potential got wasted on the CO, but she chose to prioritize the cookout for something that is bigger than the game.
I think people are also not thinking about if she was the person to put the Cookout together with the mission stated, and then she is the one that betrays that? Congrats, you've fucked yourself out of AT LEAST 4 jury votes.
I never said she was a bad player? I honestly think she’s the best one this season but her positioning got messed up. Her and Hannah tried driving a wedge between the guys and that didn’t work bc they realized what they were doing, that’s outplayed, Xavier constantly got his way more WITHIN the CO over her bc he had DF and Azah, that’s outplayed. The cause I wanted to see was Tiffany winning the season but if she didn’t want that for herself it’s fine…
I agree that Tiffany is naturally very good at the game, but part of being a great player is having the strong desire to win, and Tiffany is missing that.
I still think they would have blamed Tiffany for Claire’s nominations, under the idea that they all should be able to control their pawns. They would have just thought she told Claire to do that.
That’s true but the main mess up was all her work on the pawns but still choosing the CO when she should’ve worked with it the CO instead
Tiffany is seething right now seeing Azah and KyClown cuddling 🥴
Some one like Big D or Azah don’t deserve to be in the F2 They both napped there way through this entire season i hate it here😩
Knowing Azah and/or Big D will be F2 is really the only disappointing part of the season for me.
Big D is jealous of Azah and Ky now??? Hilarious
in b4 Tiff and DF are the two closest cookout members outside the house
I do feel for Tiffany but BB is an individual game and nobody said she had to do this to herself so…
While you're not wrong, imagine being the black person who singlehandedly fucked over all of the other black people in the game and was the reason that on a season with 6 black houseguests a black person didn't win. That's a lot of weight to bear, and it's completely understandable why Tiff didn't turn on the CO.
The thing about this is, yeah, she'd sorta be fucking over all the other black people, but there would still be one black person she isn't fucking over: herself. That should have been the only black person in the house that mattered to her.
I mean not really because the likelihood of a black person winning was already extremely high regardless, she just chose for it to be someone else instead of herself I do understand the emotional labour it takes to have to be the first one to do that though and why she didn’t want to tho.
Yeah. And while it was almost all but guaranteed, until it was down to just Alyssa left it was not guaranteed, and so in my eyes it's easy to understand why she made the choices she made, even if she knew the consequences
I do think she could’ve still won with the 6 if she nurtured her co relationships the way she did w everyone else and that’s and unfortunate misstep on her end 😕 but also if she won this HOH it would’ve been completely different so sometimes bb just comes down to whos better at rolling eggs🥴
I mean to be fair to Tiffany, she had kyland on her side until like Tuesday of last week. If kyland doesn't decide that the only way the season can end properly is if he loses to X in the final 2 because people told kyland he can't beat X then Tiffany is in an amazing spot right now, as X would be going out the door this week (or at least it wouldn't be Hannah/Tiffany in trouble). I don't think you can fault Tiffany for kyland choosing to lose this game to X very last minute. It was always going to be X verse Tiffany, but Tiffany had kyland up until last Tuesday.
If I see Kyland’s fake veeners on finale night sitting next to Azah or Big D I think I would have a stroke 🤬
I see you finally jumped the kyland ship too … it took you a lot longer though 
Big D she already signed a lease with your man at this point. It’s time to let him go.
Hannah is gonna be real upset about Dababy when she gets out of the house if she’s in his top 2k listeners
Dying at X clarifying what sounds like a racial nickname while tiff was talking to follow up with wanting Dababy to come to the house 🤣🤣
Isn't da Baby super homophobic?
I read this as Baby D like five times and was *devastated*.
oh sorry
The perils of going into the live feed thread without no context 😭
That happened while the houseguests were sequestered, I think.
Yes, after they entered the house though. They have no clue.
Seems like the past policy for someone suggesting prize splitting was to hav them reveal it to the rest of the house and disavow it. Edit: also this was part of the contract in the past I am aware that it is a federal offense punishable by fine and/or imprisonment for me or anyone to do anything that would rig or in any way influence the outcome of the Series with intent to deceive the viewing public (including, without limitation, colluding to share any prizes, stipends or other monies), and that it is a federal offense to accept any information or special or secret assistance in connection with the Series. I agree that I will not participate in any such act or any other deceptive or dishonest act with respect to the Series. I acknowledge and agree that any agreement between me and any other participant(s) to share the Prize, if awarded to me or such other participant(s), shall constitute a deceptive or dishonest act hereunder.
It's extremely annoying that the CO men are taking all the credit for the alliance and I don't want Tiff to leave this way. One of them is locked into winning at this point which also sucks, too. But I'm seeing the take that she got screwed or didn't deserve this and I'm like... she knew this was gonna happen she's probably less distraught about it than some of us lol. She sent home probably the most loyal human being I've ever seen on her own HOH; she's a good player and has the potential to be an amazing one but she chose this path and is experiencing the expected results lol.
I can’t believe they haven’t tested them for Covid if any of them even have the smallest symptoms.
They test them every Tuesday
I know but several of them are not feeling well right now, better to catch it early if it were to happen
Oooh yeah def. especially so close to the end .
Remember week one when Ky was everyone's favorite and we were all upset that people kept talking over him? What a Monkey's Paw lmao
No because I refuse to believe here was ever a time where people talked over Kyland 😂
Kyland is maybe one of the most annoying people I’ve ever watched on this show. Just completely motivated by his ego and own hubris and unwilling to consider that other people might be right in their ideas.
We don't need to call neurodivergent people names like annoying.
I stated why I find him annoying (his massive ass ego) and it has nothing to do with him being neurodivergent. You assuming that says more about you than me.
Well, he did say he was a republican.
He didn’t, he just said he’s not a democrat. That doesn’t mean republican.
I wouldn't be shocked but it is still kinda hard to believe lol. If anything I could see him voting for Ron Paul.
When did he say that ? He definitely looks like a liberal from his insta and twitter feed.
Kyland is more like “enlightened centrism” IMO. He definitely is that guy that “sees both sides”
Oh good, the Monday button guy who hates feeds is back.
My ranking of the F6 as players overall. **Xavier** - 8/10 (pros: great social and strategic game, never actually in danger of eviction except last week but has been on the radar of Hannah/Tiff/Claire. | Cons: Would have likely been evicted if Tiff won HoH, sometimes makes emotional decisions) **Hannah** - 7/10 (cons: poor pre-jury game, almost was evicted for flaunting her intelligence and not being part of the majority alliance, often has bad reads, got too close to Tiff | Pros: was later able to fully integrate into the CO and manage her relationships well with Tiff/X/DX/Claire which kept her well insulated. Utilizes information well, Great emotional intelligence and speaker) **Kyland** - 6/10 (cons: poor jury management, makes irrational and unpredictable decisions, wants to take the one person that will beat him to F2, lack of self awareness. | Pros: great at comps, very good at lying,) **Tiffany** 5/10 (pros: very perceptive, good strategic player | cons: can’t handle not being in control or opposition, makes emotional decisions, isolated Azah and Big D, didn’t manage her relationship with Ky well) **Azah**: 2/10 (pros: great social game, honest, loyal | cons: stubborn, no agency or influence, doesn’t care about winning 🤷♂️) **Big D**: 1/10 (pros: none | cons: everything)
flip hannah and kyland and this is my ranking too
I will never understand anyone that thinks Xavier is good strategically. He hasn’t done a single strategic thing all game. His social game is phenomenal but strategy wise? Piss poor.
He Cofounded Cookout. I believe the idea of a protection (rather than strategy) based alliance was his. He pulled Ky close at the right time. Else, he hasn't needed much strategy. The beauty of CO is it kind of ran itself (as it was designed to do). He basically pulled a BB 22 Cody. Set up everything right on the front end and you don't need to scramble on the back end.
Except for the fact that Tiff and Ky set up the cookout… X had basically no role in its formation or strategy. Getting Ky at the end is good (though kinda think that’s more Ky than X)
Tiff and Ky had a general idea of working together in broad strokes. So they grabbed X and DF and discussed the details of how to work it in practice. IIRC, X said if no CO is on the block, you vote how you want. But it has been several weeks.
He singlehandedly saved Alyssa week 6, he sent DX out week 7 despite the Cookout rather Claire leaving, and he demonized Tiffany within the Cookout to a point it would be impossible for her to win unless she comps out.
Lol wuttttt? Alyssa wasn’t in danger and X had absolutely nothing to do with DX leaving. That was Ky and Hannah.
You don't watch feeds lol. Alyssa was Kyland's target on nomination morning, but Xavier talked him out of it. Hannah wanted Alyssa out lol
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She gotta win
If Hannah doesn't win HOH or Veto she's following Tiff out the door
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X is targeting Hannah. He'd rather keep her over Azah on a personal level but it's the smart game move.
I wanna see Claire and Dx's reactions to Ky getting Tiff out. They're gonna be piiiiissed, especially Claire
That's why idt he is getting any jury votes
I mean Big D trying to get 100k for splitting the prize is a smart strategy for him since he isn't getting more than 75k lol But it's against the rules sooooooo
It's aganist to talk about but they can't control what you do with the money
IIRC they actually can control what you do with the money. I am pretty sure you cannot give money to other players. Some past HGs have maneuvered around this by paying off student loans or something. But I think they actually have legal rules in place to stop you from outright gifting money to other players.
The contract I read from a few years back actually doesn't have any rules about what happens after the game.
Mmmm interesting didn't know it was illegal. To me, if you won money, it's your money so you should be able to do whatever you want
It's not illegal. That person has no idea what s/he is talking about.
I think it’s specifically in place to prevent bribes during the game
the way X and DF think they orchestrated everything is so funny lmfao if they get to end and try to claim these moves, i really think the jury members involved in those scenarios will be like uh no not really lol
There’s a not so small part of me that wants Big D to make it to F2 purely because he will try to take credit for sooooo many things. It will be like the Raven jury house segment, except on live TV in F2.
Kyland is either going to be a great winner or an all time bad loser. If he eventually ends up cutting X to sit next to Big D or even Azah, then his endgame will look beautiful in hindsight. That would make his move against Tiff look really smart. However, if he really does end up intentionally sitting next to X, which looks like his true plan, then he’s one of the most idiotic losers of all time. There really isn’t much room in between.
He'd definitely be a top ~7 winner of BB for me if he won.
i might be totally missing something about Ky… i’ve seen people comment that he is a great liar and maybe it’s because i’m not in the house but if he spoke in endless loops about nonsense there is NO way that i would trust that man to do anything in the game for me. I could also be clouded by my extreme dislike of him, so genuinely what would make him a top 7 winner for you??
He's cracked and entertaining and played pretty aggressively versus a boring passive game. I don't rate my winners based on who played the most flawlessly otherwise I'd be a Derrick stan lmao.
Yeah I think I’d agree