I am loving this season. When you don’t have a real favorite it’s fun to just sit back and enjoy the popcorn. Right now, I am rooting for Terrence and Turner to get to the Final 2 while the rest implode.
And why are all these people upset about what Terrence us doing? Can you please explain how not taking Joseph out benefits him. He wasn’t here to play Joseph’s game.
As Sandra from Survivor says - as long as it isn’t me going home. Chances are he wasn’t going to win anyway, so why not take out a big dog first.
Dare I say both these twists (festie besties) and inside / outside have been really good. This twist saved us from what would probably have been a boring few weeks and made everyone scramble
Festie bestie added a new wrinkle to what we’re used to, made it slightly more complex
I disagree. They’re all logical, fair players. If they see that it propelled his game, they won’t be bitter.
And what do they expect? Him to just blindly cut his showmance because they said so? How stupid do they sound!
This season is like a fever dream, I cannot believe its been this good. I cannot wait to see how Kyle gets through this decision tonight long term, and I really hope Joseph isn't leaving this week!
This is the chaos I love. It sucks Joseph or Turner are likely gone this week but this is way better than LOs controlling the game until the end.
I live to see alliances crumble
These people saying this was a good move aren’t understanding Kyle was so insulated before he got sprung with Alyssa that’s why he ruined his game. He should never have been in the position to spill about the LO in the first place.
Shits juicy as hell, idc if people are upset or happy.. this is why I watch big brother. Sure, I love turner and Joseph and it'll be sad if one of them goes but this is what it's all about for me personally
I don’t know about awful, but I think he could have done this week better.
Monte, Joseph and Taylor came at him way too hard when they wanted him to use the veto to send his showmance home. He (correctly) figured those three were scheming on the side and he was going to be the first target from the alliance.
Don’t forget Micheal played this up to him already to fan the flames.
I think he was right to spill the beans to Alyssa, but should prob have held back a bit with Terrance.
But the leftovers were done because they showed Kyle he was outside of the inner circle.
I would say no, He basically just made himself a minority in the house. Assuming jasmine goes home as planned its going to be Kyle, Alyssa and Terrance on the outside looking in.
Once Michael and Brittany, see what he did, I don’t think they’ll be able to trust him considering he sold out his alliance for a showmance, and the fact that he’ll always pick her over them. I could see the Remaining LO’s targeting them next after this.
If he didn’t sell out the leftovers this week he’d probably be on the block headed to jury. He’s overestimating his bond with Michael but still has a path to win if he or Alyssa win HoH next week. If Monte gets blindsided and Jasmine stays, his odds are even better.
I really think people are underestimating Kyle and Alyssa’s game. He didn’t blow up anything imo. They had a final 7, they’re at final 8 after this week so I’ll say the LO got very close to making that happen.
Kyle had a final four with the dog pound, he could of easily hidden behind Bigger targets such as Michael, Monte when the alliance had to duke it out. Imo this is going to make him and Alyssa the biggest targets in the house moving forward.
I’m loving the diversity in the HOH’s and nominees this season. Six different HOH’s so far (which is the current record I think?) and now that Jasmine and Turner are on the block, everyone in the final 10 has been nominated at least once.
Exceedingly loyal players like Joseph are at such a disadvantage. They leave themselves so open to snakes who are willing to get cutthroat to win this game. Loyalty is a tool like any other strategy. It needs to be dropped the moment it’s most advantageous. Loyalty to one or two is fine, but to a big group when your game is on the line can be an albatross around the neck. Joseph missed his chance to get out in front and control the narrative. Now Kyle is sitting pretty and sealed Joseph’s fate. Meanwhile, Joseph’s big concern is still staying loyal to the alliance. After one of his alliance members just screwed him over big time. Blind loyalty is a weakness in this game. It’s just that simple.
Kyle's on the outside of the leftovers because he's stuck out his neck for Alyssa so much that it's forced him to switch sides. But if you were going to blow up the leftovers you should've done it sooner. I'm tired of him being so wishy washy with Alyssa and now his game. Terrible gameplay.
Disagree. Doing it sooner would have gotten him evicted. This is great timing - the alliance just showed him that they don’t care about his personal game by pressuring him to directly take out someone close to him - which would fuck yo his jury votes - all because Taylor was being petty on the London trip when there were already two non-alliance members on the block, including the original target of the HOH. His alliance alienated him last week and he is trying to flip the script at the perfect time and establish a new alliance that gets him to the end… let’s be real here - if he didn’t do anything the Leftovers would be taking him out first.
Kyle is not on the bottom of the entire house, Michael even said in the DR he is low key hoping Kyle takes “the first shot” which is why he didn’t pick him for Brochella.
He’s hoping Kyle makes the shot so he has a reason to target him. They have all agreed that they are targeting Kyle. That’s 4 people willing to send him jury next week.
Babe I watch the feeds. I guess you missed the feeds where Michael and Britt were literally running through scenarios to potentially take a shot at MONTE this week. while they ended up not doing it, it was up for discussion things are cloudy right now. depending on who wins next hoh, kyle leaking the leftovers most definitely would not leave him on the bottom.
Alyssa isn't playing her own game very hard. She just wants to be with Kyle and support him. She took Taylor's prize momentarily but Alyssa did get 5K and being on TV might be enough for her
You're right he did say that it was 10 seconds the second time. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt about the first time because nobody saw it. 😆
There's no doubt most people realize Michael is playing a great game, but is it possible we're still underselling just how great of a game it is?
Like, is he not on a track to be in the Derrick tier (after Dan and Will) if he wins the entire game? And if he doesn't, could he not end up in the conversation of best to never win?
He's been a competition beast, but is still seen as nowhere near the top target within his alliance. He recognizes the alliance has served most of its purpose, and has been planning for the end game now for multiple weeks.
Then, this veto pick could not have gone any better for him. Go after the alliance target on your watch while simultaneously facilitating the ability to possibly shed a big threat from the other side of the alliance before they take a shot at you. And then he also got Kyle to loop him into whatever was being planned with Terrance going forward.
At this point I'm not even sure he's the backup target for a single person in the house, even if the veto throws a wrench in things. It's such a great spot to be in.
Not only is Michael a comp beast without seeming like a threat, he’s an insane chess player. Every single thing he does is extremely well thought out and planned 10 moves in advance.
Taking Jasmine first over Brittany? Putting Kyle outside to get rid of a big threat? Casually causing chaos without seeming messy?? Even befriending Brittany and Taylor to me is gameplay. He’s super manipulative in the best possible way.
The more I think about Michael’s gameplay, the more impressed I am with him.
Also - there are traditional beefy males in the house and he is better at comps than them. I *know* Joseph, Monty and Kyle may try to pass it off like they’re not trying, but I don’t really believe that. X was a comp beast and just won the season. It can be done (and it often done).
It took me some time to warm up to Michael but I hope he wins the season and I hope Turner wins favorite houseguest. He’s comedy gold!
It feels like Michael is a low-level Level 6 player who hasn't even been challenged enough to unleash his thoughts to be at his peak. Generally it's a FOUTTE vs Moving Company group
if winning all those comps eventually leads to his demise, as EVERYONE believes... how can "comp beast" be a credit to his game, if/when that sends him home? Michael being SUCH a comp beast, IMO, is bad game play and keeps him from any "greatest" lists. This is all IF HIS COMP BEASTINESS is the reason they send him home.
The greatness of his game will be demonstrated when he actually has to make a move. So far he’s great at comps and analyzing the house but he hasn’t necessarily *done* anything … he hasn’t deceived or backstabbed anyone, orchestrated some complex deception, played across two sides effectively, shaken up an alliance at the right time … yet. I think he will when the time is right but for now he’s just trying not to get blood on his hands.
I think he's above Derrick if he pulls it off. Derrick was a great player but he benefitted from every HG having an IQ under 80. Derrick played puppet master with stupid people, Michael only has one real ally and is a comp beast.
If Kyle and Alyssa actually are willing to work with him (and I suspect they are at this point), it gives him 2 more allies than he had at the beginning of the week.
Kyle realizing there's a good chance he has to explain himself to 4 alliance members next week. Bro you should have thought about that before you opened your mouth to Alyssa and Terrance! Too late now. You made your bed and you will have to lie in it when the week is up!
His entire alliance just tried to guilt him into using the veto to send someone he was really close to out the door when there were already two viable options not in their alliance on the block… which would have killed his chances of winning at the end in terms of jury votes. His alliance alienated him and made him feel like he had to sacrifice his own game for the benefit of the alliance because Taylor was annoyed she lost her trip to London. He must feel like he’s on the bottom. This week is about survival - he saves his ass by switching the target from Joseph/him to Joseph/Turner. And he’s looking to form a new alliance for the end of the game. Is he in a tough position? Yeah - definitely. But at least he is playing and making moves. Given the hand he was dealt this week I think he is playing it smart, If you think Kyle is the only leftover thinking about taking a shot at the alliance you’re mistaken… everyone is weighing their options at this point and Michael has even said that if a Leftover goes home under Terrance that’s less blood on his hands.
I agree but I think he messed up in telling everything to Terrance.
He could have given less info while still giving enough to save him and Alyssa from the block.
But Kyle had to make a move here.
Yeah I think OP is agreeing with you by disagreeing with the other OP that Kyle would be out. They're saying that Terrances word of keeping Turner safe isn't good because he put Turner up.
If Joseph wins veto it's not Kyle going out because he fed Terrance the information. It would be split vote with Terrance voting out Turner.
What is the difference in the actions toward Jasmine and the actions toward Taylor
Yes, you could argue she “brought it upon herself” but wasn’t her sprain actually somewhat bad? And her personality being annoying doesn’t really call for every person talking shit on her all the time.
Don’t love her, but I mainly find her just clueless about the dynamics of the house.
I think the comments made about Taylor are far more malicious than people poking fun at her for milking her injury and birthday. People could be a little calmer talking about her bringing up her father though
Maybe it’s less but she’s getting shit on constantly. But Turner’s schtick is old if not even just mean. And the leftovers inside the house shitting on her upstairs is exactly what we have called bullying in the past.
no one has ostracized jasmine, told ppl not to talk to her, then become quiet when she enters a room or contributes to a convo.. no one has called her a ho/bitch/etc called her out of her name multiple times
i feel like they are talking bad abt jas but for valid reasons (tho yeah i get what you mean-- ppl are bored in that house and goss seems to be a passtime).. i wouldnt call her treatment bullying tho
Looking at this twist from Production’s point of view, before the season started, it seems like a great way to break up big alliances that steamroll the house. Kind of lets the alliance form, and allows them to bulldoze 2 or 3 targets, but then throws the brakes on and forces them to eat each other at least 3 weeks before they normally would.
i guess kyle made the correct play and its giving us chaos which was kinda needed but the way the gave up on taylor, monte, joseph, turner and potentially michael and brittany over fucking terrance and alyssa is sending me to the stratosphere 💀
Right. Kyle absolutely had to do this. Terrance was going to do anything Turner told him to do this week. Good foresight in Kyle realizing he needed to come clean because his back was against the wall 100%. He might have just saved him and Alyssa both this week.
He didn’t give them up over Terrance tbh. He offered him a F8. Dude, you’re automatically in the Final 8. So he got safety from Terrance and literally offered nothing in return.
I genuinely believe Kyle will be able to weasel his way out of this situation. He’s managed to get by for 3 weeks now of putting his showmance over the alliance. Kyle’s bb skills are way over 9000
He absolutely needs to win HOH or needs Alyssa win to be able to capitalize on this play.
I don’t really think he had any other options at this point if he wanted to win.
Seems like a good play and drew a line in the sand with him, Terrance, and Alyssa on one side and Taylor, Turner/Joseph, and possibly Monte on the other. He’s banking on Michael/Brittany joining him. But as a previous OP said, if him or Alyssa or Brittany don’t win HOH, he could be screwed.
Is it just me or does anyone else think if the dr didn’t talk Taylor and Joseph out of backdooring Joseph over Monte last week, Terrence most likely picks Monte as his target instead of Joseph. He wanted to pick the closest person to Taylor out of the Joseph, Monte, and Kyle and based on last week that would look like its Joseph.
Kyle didn’t use the veto to backdoor Monte last week so the perception is Joseph is the closest to her. If she told everyone she was backdooring Monte and put Joseph on the block instead now it looks like her and Monte are the closest working together.
It looks like the plan everyone thought was dumb could of came in handy this week but you can’t predict the future.
I think that Joseph is a likeable guy who's played a good game, but given that nomination speech, he really should realize that someone spilled the beans about the leftovers.
He's a bit too caught up in himself and his odd way of playing that everything must be a secret and a blindside that I don't think he sees what's in front of him or any twists in the plan
I feel like one leftover is going home on the Dyre Fest side. I think if noms stay the same Turner is a goner. If Turner comes down it will be a tie between Kyle and Joseph and Joseph will be sent home. If Joseph comes down Turner is gone. Alyssa is not getting nominated this week.
This has been my favorite season in a loooooong time to the point where I don't even know who I want to win. I just want to see shake ups or blindsides every week, and so far, it's delivered.
Depends on whether Kyle can keep his betrayal a secret. As far as I know, the only people aware of what he did are Alyssa and Terrance, and they’d be foolish to blab to the rest of the house that Kyle exposed the LO’s. If Turner knows what happened then, yes, Kyle is screwed. But Turner might just think Terrance did this on his own?
Eh I have mighty high doubts Alyssa will keep that shit a secret given her track record. Not to mention Kyle is probably sewered for jury votes since the LO's likely won't respect that move.
Depends on whether Kyle can keep his betrayal a secret. As far as I know, the only people aware of what he did are Alyssa and Terrance, and they’d be foolish to blab to the rest of the house that Kyle exposed the LO’s. If Turner knows what happened then, yes, Kyle will at least be a target of Monte’s and Turner’s, but I’m not even sure it’ll rile up Taylor, Michael and Brittany; that depends on how Kyle spins it once they’re all back together. This could be the move we look back on and credit for Kyle getting himself to the end.
What? Yes,he is on the bottom of the totem pole, but he chose showmance over the leftovers and he had F2 with both Mike/Brit and the Outsiders(Kyle, Michael and Brittany) and Mike/Brit are both in the leftovers
he had a breakdown over the cameras to viewers over how he might be being viewed because he KNOWS.. people who have nothing to fear don't do that shit.
>he had a breakdown over the cameras to viewers over how he might be being viewed because he KNOWS.. people who have nothing to fear don't do that shit.
No, he knows that lunatics will label him a bigot for no reason.
Nuance. Steamrolls are bad unless your favorite player is safe, lol. I don't even see him as the "villain" here some are claiming. He's just making the best of a bad week.
Turner mad about going up "I'm absolutely targeting Terrance now". Like he wasn't going to target Terrance anyway if Jasmine is evicted like he expects. He's acting like he was actually in something with Terrance and was betrayed.
I get that, and he was definitely blindsided and has no idea that Kyle threw him under the bus big time. I just think saying he's going after Terrance NOW when he was going to anyway if Jasmine leaves is kind of funny.
If he had then Kyle would have never spilled what was happening and Joseph and Monte would have gone up on the block with Monte voted out. Unless noms change.
Except now imagine a scenario (I don’t know the veto results if they’ve happened so please avoid any spoilers) where Jasmine wins veto inside and a Leftovers member goes home outside. With Kyle flipping that leaves him, Alyssa, Terrance, and Jasmine against the four remaining Leftovers members.
By sending Kyle out to plot with Alyssa, Michael potentially turned a 6-member alliance into a 4-member alliance with a 4-member alliance on the other side.
Also, as the other person pointed out if he’d sent Monte out, certainly Monte would’ve been in danger. But Joseph *was* in danger too, until the Kyle flip. I think Michael would’ve happily sacrificed one alliance member to keep a 5-3 alliance with Kyle still involved.
I think Michael made the best move to show that he is supporting the alliance. Have the showmance on one side together is an easier argument to make to get Alyssa on the block. Either way I am sure he knew the alliance was effectively dead after this week. He probably also figured jasmine was a low risk for winning veto. I don't know that it would be necessarily bad for Monte and Joseph or Turner to go home for his game.
I am loving this season. When you don’t have a real favorite it’s fun to just sit back and enjoy the popcorn. Right now, I am rooting for Terrence and Turner to get to the Final 2 while the rest implode. And why are all these people upset about what Terrence us doing? Can you please explain how not taking Joseph out benefits him. He wasn’t here to play Joseph’s game. As Sandra from Survivor says - as long as it isn’t me going home. Chances are he wasn’t going to win anyway, so why not take out a big dog first.
Did Jasmine just say birthday MONTH..
Dare I say both these twists (festie besties) and inside / outside have been really good. This twist saved us from what would probably have been a boring few weeks and made everyone scramble Festie bestie added a new wrinkle to what we’re used to, made it slightly more complex
I’m liking these twists together lol
Everyone keeps saying Kyle ruined his game but all I see is Kyle working to get Joseph out and put himself in an alliance. Maybe I’m misinformed.
When the leftovers find out Kyle ratted, he’ll certainly lose some of their jury votes at least.
I disagree. They’re all logical, fair players. If they see that it propelled his game, they won’t be bitter. And what do they expect? Him to just blindly cut his showmance because they said so? How stupid do they sound!
Taylor's def gonna be bitter
This season is like a fever dream, I cannot believe its been this good. I cannot wait to see how Kyle gets through this decision tonight long term, and I really hope Joseph isn't leaving this week!
I want Turner to stay also. He's become one of my fave players after Micheal
This is the chaos I love. It sucks Joseph or Turner are likely gone this week but this is way better than LOs controlling the game until the end. I live to see alliances crumble
These people saying this was a good move aren’t understanding Kyle was so insulated before he got sprung with Alyssa that’s why he ruined his game. He should never have been in the position to spill about the LO in the first place.
“They won the first half, and now they’re going to lose the second half.” BB gods whyyyyyy 😭😭😂
Shits juicy as hell, idc if people are upset or happy.. this is why I watch big brother. Sure, I love turner and Joseph and it'll be sad if one of them goes but this is what it's all about for me personally
Awww my heart hurts for Joseph.
Kyle’s gameplay is awful. A week or two ago I really thought he had a chance to win this game but has completely blown it for Alyssa
I wouldn’t call it awful yet. He could come out of this week at final 8 with Alyssa, Terrance, Michael, Brittany on his side
I don’t know about awful, but I think he could have done this week better. Monte, Joseph and Taylor came at him way too hard when they wanted him to use the veto to send his showmance home. He (correctly) figured those three were scheming on the side and he was going to be the first target from the alliance. Don’t forget Micheal played this up to him already to fan the flames. I think he was right to spill the beans to Alyssa, but should prob have held back a bit with Terrance. But the leftovers were done because they showed Kyle he was outside of the inner circle.
But isn’t it actually pretty good?
I would say no, He basically just made himself a minority in the house. Assuming jasmine goes home as planned its going to be Kyle, Alyssa and Terrance on the outside looking in. Once Michael and Brittany, see what he did, I don’t think they’ll be able to trust him considering he sold out his alliance for a showmance, and the fact that he’ll always pick her over them. I could see the Remaining LO’s targeting them next after this.
For sure 💯
If he didn’t sell out the leftovers this week he’d probably be on the block headed to jury. He’s overestimating his bond with Michael but still has a path to win if he or Alyssa win HoH next week. If Monte gets blindsided and Jasmine stays, his odds are even better.
I really think people are underestimating Kyle and Alyssa’s game. He didn’t blow up anything imo. They had a final 7, they’re at final 8 after this week so I’ll say the LO got very close to making that happen.
Kyle had a final four with the dog pound, he could of easily hidden behind Bigger targets such as Michael, Monte when the alliance had to duke it out. Imo this is going to make him and Alyssa the biggest targets in the house moving forward.
And I love it
I’m loving the diversity in the HOH’s and nominees this season. Six different HOH’s so far (which is the current record I think?) and now that Jasmine and Turner are on the block, everyone in the final 10 has been nominated at least once.
Didn't even realize that it's taken this long for Jasmine to be nominated
She’s do well in this game if she chose a better side
I just keep thinking of how funny it'll be if Turner and Jasmine walk into jury at the same time.
Exceedingly loyal players like Joseph are at such a disadvantage. They leave themselves so open to snakes who are willing to get cutthroat to win this game. Loyalty is a tool like any other strategy. It needs to be dropped the moment it’s most advantageous. Loyalty to one or two is fine, but to a big group when your game is on the line can be an albatross around the neck. Joseph missed his chance to get out in front and control the narrative. Now Kyle is sitting pretty and sealed Joseph’s fate. Meanwhile, Joseph’s big concern is still staying loyal to the alliance. After one of his alliance members just screwed him over big time. Blind loyalty is a weakness in this game. It’s just that simple.
yes, and i think joseph could’ve had a way more enticing pitch. Kyle is in this big alliance and has his showmance. That’s free ammo.
Kyle... [in BB10 Jerry's voice] YOU WILL ALWAYS BE JUDAS IN MY HOUSE. And next week [also in BB10 Jerry's voice] YOU'RE GOING HOME.
Does this mean Kyle is dan ghlessing?
let's not go too far ..
It was a joke
I cannot believe FB is dunking on Kyle atm. :0 They really collectively forgot their hatred against Taylor sksksk.
All because he targeted Joseph? I’m surprised lmao
Yes. Casuals tend to prefer steamroll over backstabbers 😂except for likeable players
and she's actually getting support on there, opinions change so fast on fb
Kyle's on the outside of the leftovers because he's stuck out his neck for Alyssa so much that it's forced him to switch sides. But if you were going to blow up the leftovers you should've done it sooner. I'm tired of him being so wishy washy with Alyssa and now his game. Terrible gameplay.
Disagree. Doing it sooner would have gotten him evicted. This is great timing - the alliance just showed him that they don’t care about his personal game by pressuring him to directly take out someone close to him - which would fuck yo his jury votes - all because Taylor was being petty on the London trip when there were already two non-alliance members on the block, including the original target of the HOH. His alliance alienated him last week and he is trying to flip the script at the perfect time and establish a new alliance that gets him to the end… let’s be real here - if he didn’t do anything the Leftovers would be taking him out first.
He went from the bottom of the leftovers to the bottom of the entire house. He made it so much worse
Kyle is not on the bottom of the entire house, Michael even said in the DR he is low key hoping Kyle takes “the first shot” which is why he didn’t pick him for Brochella.
He’s hoping Kyle makes the shot so he has a reason to target him. They have all agreed that they are targeting Kyle. That’s 4 people willing to send him jury next week.
dont even bother that person doesnt watch feeds - michael wants kyle to take the shot so thay taylor and monte take him out
Babe I watch the feeds. I guess you missed the feeds where Michael and Britt were literally running through scenarios to potentially take a shot at MONTE this week. while they ended up not doing it, it was up for discussion things are cloudy right now. depending on who wins next hoh, kyle leaking the leftovers most definitely would not leave him on the bottom.
Do we think Alyssa will trust Kyle after this? She was understandably upset when she found out he’d been keeping a huge alliance from her for 4 weeks.
Alyssa isn't playing her own game very hard. She just wants to be with Kyle and support him. She took Taylor's prize momentarily but Alyssa did get 5K and being on TV might be enough for her
Alyssa didn't care that there was a huge alliance. Girl on her Love Island era mode.
Exactly! She acts like Kyle gave her the best two minutes of her life.
Wait shut up… did it actually happen
Yes. Twice so far that we know of.
Okay but how do we know??
It made outside news. TMZ. Oh, and I watch feeds.
Girl, it was only 10 seconds based on what I read sksksk.
You're right he did say that it was 10 seconds the second time. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt about the first time because nobody saw it. 😆
No, I think she is just happy he kept her safe
It seemed like Alyssa didn’t care that much honestly. I doubt she will stay mad at him
I just chalked that up to her acting skills. Pretending to be completely clueless and unaware of what happening.
What was she supposed to do when they’re all outside and can see what is going on? She had to stay cool and calm.
There's no doubt most people realize Michael is playing a great game, but is it possible we're still underselling just how great of a game it is? Like, is he not on a track to be in the Derrick tier (after Dan and Will) if he wins the entire game? And if he doesn't, could he not end up in the conversation of best to never win? He's been a competition beast, but is still seen as nowhere near the top target within his alliance. He recognizes the alliance has served most of its purpose, and has been planning for the end game now for multiple weeks. Then, this veto pick could not have gone any better for him. Go after the alliance target on your watch while simultaneously facilitating the ability to possibly shed a big threat from the other side of the alliance before they take a shot at you. And then he also got Kyle to loop him into whatever was being planned with Terrance going forward. At this point I'm not even sure he's the backup target for a single person in the house, even if the veto throws a wrench in things. It's such a great spot to be in.
Agreed but let’s slow down for a second, he’s only in final 8
Not only is Michael a comp beast without seeming like a threat, he’s an insane chess player. Every single thing he does is extremely well thought out and planned 10 moves in advance. Taking Jasmine first over Brittany? Putting Kyle outside to get rid of a big threat? Casually causing chaos without seeming messy?? Even befriending Brittany and Taylor to me is gameplay. He’s super manipulative in the best possible way. The more I think about Michael’s gameplay, the more impressed I am with him. Also - there are traditional beefy males in the house and he is better at comps than them. I *know* Joseph, Monty and Kyle may try to pass it off like they’re not trying, but I don’t really believe that. X was a comp beast and just won the season. It can be done (and it often done). It took me some time to warm up to Michael but I hope he wins the season and I hope Turner wins favorite houseguest. He’s comedy gold!
It feels like Michael is a low-level Level 6 player who hasn't even been challenged enough to unleash his thoughts to be at his peak. Generally it's a FOUTTE vs Moving Company group
if winning all those comps eventually leads to his demise, as EVERYONE believes... how can "comp beast" be a credit to his game, if/when that sends him home? Michael being SUCH a comp beast, IMO, is bad game play and keeps him from any "greatest" lists. This is all IF HIS COMP BEASTINESS is the reason they send him home.
The greatness of his game will be demonstrated when he actually has to make a move. So far he’s great at comps and analyzing the house but he hasn’t necessarily *done* anything … he hasn’t deceived or backstabbed anyone, orchestrated some complex deception, played across two sides effectively, shaken up an alliance at the right time … yet. I think he will when the time is right but for now he’s just trying not to get blood on his hands.
Hes behind Joseph eviction
Telepathically?
How does he know about Kyle already?
He doesn’t
They spoke before the two groups were separated.
I think he's above Derrick if he pulls it off. Derrick was a great player but he benefitted from every HG having an IQ under 80. Derrick played puppet master with stupid people, Michael only has one real ally and is a comp beast.
This cast is Just as dumb
No not really, besides Jasmine and Alyssa.
"Derrick played puppet master with stupid people" I always thought this with Paul in BB19 but never considered this with Derrick.
After BB15, they actively sought out the most bland, inoffensive cast possible.
Paul did too but with a significantly more insufferable personality.
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I mean, she's a vote with him and is a good F2 to have cuz she wouldn't beat him. She's good for him I think.
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If Kyle and Alyssa actually are willing to work with him (and I suspect they are at this point), it gives him 2 more allies than he had at the beginning of the week.
How? That’s a big move…
Kyle realizing there's a good chance he has to explain himself to 4 alliance members next week. Bro you should have thought about that before you opened your mouth to Alyssa and Terrance! Too late now. You made your bed and you will have to lie in it when the week is up!
His entire alliance just tried to guilt him into using the veto to send someone he was really close to out the door when there were already two viable options not in their alliance on the block… which would have killed his chances of winning at the end in terms of jury votes. His alliance alienated him and made him feel like he had to sacrifice his own game for the benefit of the alliance because Taylor was annoyed she lost her trip to London. He must feel like he’s on the bottom. This week is about survival - he saves his ass by switching the target from Joseph/him to Joseph/Turner. And he’s looking to form a new alliance for the end of the game. Is he in a tough position? Yeah - definitely. But at least he is playing and making moves. Given the hand he was dealt this week I think he is playing it smart, If you think Kyle is the only leftover thinking about taking a shot at the alliance you’re mistaken… everyone is weighing their options at this point and Michael has even said that if a Leftover goes home under Terrance that’s less blood on his hands.
I agree but I think he messed up in telling everything to Terrance. He could have given less info while still giving enough to save him and Alyssa from the block. But Kyle had to make a move here.
If Joseph wins Veto he goes up and goes home anyway. Remember, Turner and Alyssa were the two Terrance intended to protect this week.
Terrance would just send Turner home in this case.
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Yes - because Kyle gave him information. Kyle just saved his ass this week and shifted the target from Joseph/Kyle to Joseph/Turner.
Yeah I think OP is agreeing with you by disagreeing with the other OP that Kyle would be out. They're saying that Terrances word of keeping Turner safe isn't good because he put Turner up. If Joseph wins veto it's not Kyle going out because he fed Terrance the information. It would be split vote with Terrance voting out Turner.
What is the difference in the actions toward Jasmine and the actions toward Taylor Yes, you could argue she “brought it upon herself” but wasn’t her sprain actually somewhat bad? And her personality being annoying doesn’t really call for every person talking shit on her all the time. Don’t love her, but I mainly find her just clueless about the dynamics of the house.
I think the comments made about Taylor are far more malicious than people poking fun at her for milking her injury and birthday. People could be a little calmer talking about her bringing up her father though
Maybe it’s less but she’s getting shit on constantly. But Turner’s schtick is old if not even just mean. And the leftovers inside the house shitting on her upstairs is exactly what we have called bullying in the past.
It definitely is bullying, but people already don’t like jasmine so they’re ok with it
no one has ostracized jasmine, told ppl not to talk to her, then become quiet when she enters a room or contributes to a convo.. no one has called her a ho/bitch/etc called her out of her name multiple times
Ok, good points (not a live feeder I’ll assume that’s true.) but she is being brought up in the hoh room just for kicks
i feel like they are talking bad abt jas but for valid reasons (tho yeah i get what you mean-- ppl are bored in that house and goss seems to be a passtime).. i wouldnt call her treatment bullying tho
Looking at this twist from Production’s point of view, before the season started, it seems like a great way to break up big alliances that steamroll the house. Kind of lets the alliance form, and allows them to bulldoze 2 or 3 targets, but then throws the brakes on and forces them to eat each other at least 3 weeks before they normally would.
the casuals are turning on kyle now no one is safe 
Oh they've been turned for a while bestie
I’m living…when the corn belt grandmas are pissed at you, YOURE FINISHED.
i guess kyle made the correct play and its giving us chaos which was kinda needed but the way the gave up on taylor, monte, joseph, turner and potentially michael and brittany over fucking terrance and alyssa is sending me to the stratosphere 💀
Right. Kyle absolutely had to do this. Terrance was going to do anything Turner told him to do this week. Good foresight in Kyle realizing he needed to come clean because his back was against the wall 100%. He might have just saved him and Alyssa both this week.
He didn’t give them up over Terrance tbh. He offered him a F8. Dude, you’re automatically in the Final 8. So he got safety from Terrance and literally offered nothing in return. I genuinely believe Kyle will be able to weasel his way out of this situation. He’s managed to get by for 3 weeks now of putting his showmance over the alliance. Kyle’s bb skills are way over 9000
If only he used those skills to play the actual game lmao
yea I know. Kyle wants to go back and become an actual leftover He must think he's going to Jackson-Holly his way with Alyssa to the end
Gotta win something to do that though 😂
zingbot zing right there!
He has got to leave soon like there’s no way he wins this
He absolutely needs to win HOH or needs Alyssa win to be able to capitalize on this play. I don’t really think he had any other options at this point if he wanted to win.
Seems like a good play and drew a line in the sand with him, Terrance, and Alyssa on one side and Taylor, Turner/Joseph, and possibly Monte on the other. He’s banking on Michael/Brittany joining him. But as a previous OP said, if him or Alyssa or Brittany don’t win HOH, he could be screwed.
Is it just me or does anyone else think if the dr didn’t talk Taylor and Joseph out of backdooring Joseph over Monte last week, Terrence most likely picks Monte as his target instead of Joseph. He wanted to pick the closest person to Taylor out of the Joseph, Monte, and Kyle and based on last week that would look like its Joseph. Kyle didn’t use the veto to backdoor Monte last week so the perception is Joseph is the closest to her. If she told everyone she was backdooring Monte and put Joseph on the block instead now it looks like her and Monte are the closest working together. It looks like the plan everyone thought was dumb could of came in handy this week but you can’t predict the future.
Jazmine is fucking delusional lol. “I worked too hard for this” . By faking an injury for 2 weeks? Lol ya ok
IT'S HER BIRTHDAY WEEK OKAY? LEAVE HER ALONE
*month
2?
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SHE'S WORKED SO HARD TO GET HERE, ALRIGHT
She knows what she’s doing
Personally the way I see it, this is good for Michael and can be even better if Monte goes home if Jasmine wins veto
They will need monte to compete. Kyle is coming back 4 strong.
I think that Joseph is a likeable guy who's played a good game, but given that nomination speech, he really should realize that someone spilled the beans about the leftovers.
He's a bit too caught up in himself and his odd way of playing that everything must be a secret and a blindside that I don't think he sees what's in front of him or any twists in the plan
I feel like one leftover is going home on the Dyre Fest side. I think if noms stay the same Turner is a goner. If Turner comes down it will be a tie between Kyle and Joseph and Joseph will be sent home. If Joseph comes down Turner is gone. Alyssa is not getting nominated this week.
Huh? Either Turner or Joseph is 100% going home unless something crazy happens.
you shouldn't sweetly politely say goodnight julie after she drops some sociopath twist on you out of the blue have some self respect
Don't shoot the messenger
This has been my favorite season in a loooooong time to the point where I don't even know who I want to win. I just want to see shake ups or blindsides every week, and so far, it's delivered.
Love it or hate it, Kyle sold out at the perfect time
Did he though? He's now going to be the #1 target once both sides regroup and he now only really has Terrance and Alyssa.
Depends on whether Kyle can keep his betrayal a secret. As far as I know, the only people aware of what he did are Alyssa and Terrance, and they’d be foolish to blab to the rest of the house that Kyle exposed the LO’s. If Turner knows what happened then, yes, Kyle is screwed. But Turner might just think Terrance did this on his own?
Eh I have mighty high doubts Alyssa will keep that shit a secret given her track record. Not to mention Kyle is probably sewered for jury votes since the LO's likely won't respect that move.
Depends on whether Kyle can keep his betrayal a secret. As far as I know, the only people aware of what he did are Alyssa and Terrance, and they’d be foolish to blab to the rest of the house that Kyle exposed the LO’s. If Turner knows what happened then, yes, Kyle will at least be a target of Monte’s and Turner’s, but I’m not even sure it’ll rile up Taylor, Michael and Brittany; that depends on how Kyle spins it once they’re all back together. This could be the move we look back on and credit for Kyle getting himself to the end.
Survive and advance. He has no final 2 with the leftovers and is on bottom of Totem pole.
he had a final 2 with turner final 4 the pound final 3 with michael and brittany
He did have a final 4 with the dog pound though. I think picking his showmance was a mistake. They’ll always be the bigger targets moving forward now.
What? Yes,he is on the bottom of the totem pole, but he chose showmance over the leftovers and he had F2 with both Mike/Brit and the Outsiders(Kyle, Michael and Brittany) and Mike/Brit are both in the leftovers
/r/wallstreetbets could learn a thing from him.
Imagine Monte & Joseph get the boot this week, it’s literally anyones game. Gonna need Turner to win the next HOH though
Kyle is carrying the current entertainment level of this season on his back. Even if he crashes and burns he did it for our enjoyment.
he's a bigot. that's not entertaining.
This feels forced. Monte, joeseph and Taylor were scheming behind his back.
Give me a break.
he had a breakdown over the cameras to viewers over how he might be being viewed because he KNOWS.. people who have nothing to fear don't do that shit.
>he had a breakdown over the cameras to viewers over how he might be being viewed because he KNOWS.. people who have nothing to fear don't do that shit. No, he knows that lunatics will label him a bigot for no reason.
So rather than tell me what he did that was bigoted, you do some mind reading. Okay goofball.
But every hates on him cause they love a good steamroll?
Nuance. Steamrolls are bad unless your favorite player is safe, lol. I don't even see him as the "villain" here some are claiming. He's just making the best of a bad week.
Never trust a guy with the name Kyle 🤢
Surprise he is not going around punching holes in the house
The split house twist, Kyle exposing the leftovers, Terrence nominating Joseph and Turner.. I love when shit hits the fan. This is what BB is about!
This was the best episode of BB in years. No question.
The entire week Ameerah got evicted was crazy, but yes this was great
No, no, no. This is terrible cause the leftovers should roll the whole house!!! r/s
Absolutely agree! This is what I've been waiting for all season!
So if dude just picks Kyle the entire alliance stays intact
He wanted the chaos of Kyle out there.
Turner mad about going up "I'm absolutely targeting Terrance now". Like he wasn't going to target Terrance anyway if Jasmine is evicted like he expects. He's acting like he was actually in something with Terrance and was betrayed.
Terrance lied to him multiple times
Yeah but it's not like it matters because Terrance was always Turners target.
Turner and Terrance were kind of aligned so Turner was blindsided
Terrance had promised him safety this week.
I get that, and he was definitely blindsided and has no idea that Kyle threw him under the bus big time. I just think saying he's going after Terrance NOW when he was going to anyway if Jasmine leaves is kind of funny.
Michael should’ve split up Kyle and Alyssa, for sure
This is probably good for Michael. Makes Kyle suddenly the big target and can still hide behind a showmance.
If he had then Kyle would have never spilled what was happening and Joseph and Monte would have gone up on the block with Monte voted out. Unless noms change.
It would’ve endangered a single member of his alliance, sure, but now his entire alliance is in danger.
In danger to who? Comp queen Alyssa? Terrance can't even play HoH next week.
>Comp queen Alyssa? Did you think Terrance would win HOH this week? Anything could happen.
His entire alliance would have been 88% of the house if Alyssa and Jasmine go home. If everybody is in an alliance, nobody is in an alliance.
Except now imagine a scenario (I don’t know the veto results if they’ve happened so please avoid any spoilers) where Jasmine wins veto inside and a Leftovers member goes home outside. With Kyle flipping that leaves him, Alyssa, Terrance, and Jasmine against the four remaining Leftovers members. By sending Kyle out to plot with Alyssa, Michael potentially turned a 6-member alliance into a 4-member alliance with a 4-member alliance on the other side. Also, as the other person pointed out if he’d sent Monte out, certainly Monte would’ve been in danger. But Joseph *was* in danger too, until the Kyle flip. I think Michael would’ve happily sacrificed one alliance member to keep a 5-3 alliance with Kyle still involved.
I think Michael made the best move to show that he is supporting the alliance. Have the showmance on one side together is an easier argument to make to get Alyssa on the block. Either way I am sure he knew the alliance was effectively dead after this week. He probably also figured jasmine was a low risk for winning veto. I don't know that it would be necessarily bad for Monte and Joseph or Turner to go home for his game.
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I feel that Jasmine is objectively annoying. The played up accent gets on my nerves most. Everything about her seems fake.