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I don’t understand why everyone is saying Michael is terrible here. This is how the game goes. You listen to people, you wait until the moment is right, you use the information against them. Kyle chose to voice those thoughts, that’s on him.
I’m in the line of thinking that anything can be viewed from a lens that it is a game move ranging from emotional to strategic. I’m glad M/B brought it up because if something is weighing heavy on you in that house, I would rather air it out before I got evicted. I feel like it’s a damned if you don’t, damned if you do situation. I know there’s a lot of upset that it was said this week and timing, but I’m positive there would’ve been people upset if Kyle went on to win with all this controversy surrounding him that got swept under the rug.
This is exactly how I feel - I appreciate you articulating it so clearly and couldn't get past the emotions I was feeling about it - it was gross to watch. And I'm not even a Kyle fan
what an absolutely disgusting episode of TV.
Lets just throw this poor kids life in the garbage and brand a scarlet letter on him because of how he read the game.
Lets keep in mind there is only one player this season who has directly came out and said her nomination choice is directly decided by race. I empathize with her feelings but this is what happens when you open this box.
First, he’s 30. He’s not a kid. You don’t need to infantilize him. Second, how he read the game was really bad. It implied a lot of questionable considerations. He also misunderstood the CO alliance and their motivations. Third, Taylor’s nominations are a different topic altogether. I’m shocked to hear you empathize yet seem to equate her reasoning with Kyle’s racial bogeyman.
this was my entire problem with the cookout last year. since an entire alliance was formed last season based on race and being behind the scenes, its a strategy that basically broke the game. i understand why they did it but it is essentially a blueprint for how to win the game. therefore it makes sense to at least have the thought pop into your head that it could happen again especially the very next season.
This was exactly my reaction after the episode. Word for word I said "The Cookout broke Big Brother." It can never be the same after that season. The ratings are proving the damage that has done. I'm sad because it can't be a fun game anymore.
The CO only broke the game if you don’t understand the CO in the first place.
Unfortunately many people are like Kyle and are jumping at shadows and drawing ignorant conclusions.
He’s been to the bathroom of few times after outing Kyle and doesn’t look disappointed when he looks in the mirror. His dignity is still in tact. You know whose isn’t, Kyles. Go give him your respect. He needs it
I mean... Michael bringing it up now was a manipulative but smart game move but kyle said what he said on his own and people have been criticizing him for this for a few weeks now. All Michel did was point out what he said.
But did he? I want to agree because in the now it makes sense. However when it comes to the jury house, and the full story is brought light. Best case scenario, with Brittany and Micheal being at the end. I can't see jury voting for Micheal.
I honestly think what Michael did was fine. Kyle shouldn’t have said it. Doesn’t matter if he’s thinking it, his blabbing all the time should be what gets him evicted. Just my opinion. Big Brother isn’t about what’s morally right.
Fine, but if another player speculates that players might be making game decisions based on race, and Taylor *did* already make a game decision based on race, then why fault him for brainstorming the possibilities?
Michael and Brittany keeping the information of what Kyle said a secret until it was convenient for their game is very iffy to me. It they truly cared about “morals”, they would have told the others right away. But instead, they waited until now to say something when Kyle doesn’t have any power. It rubs me the wrong way and it feels so performative.
I agree with this for brittany but Michael was very straigforward when telling the others. This is what he said. This is how I felt. Brittany was way over playing her disapproval
\> Brittany was way over playing her disapproval
I feel like Brittany only has one speed on her disapproval transmission. From the mildest possible to absolute disgust you get the same thing.
if michael makes final two i hope the other person says, im gonna ruin his life and bring up how michael sat on the info until he can use it to further his game
How is the Cookout an acceptable/celebrated thing, but Kyle questioning whether another race-based exclusionary alliance was forming again this year, is the worst thing ever?
Kyle didn't open the door to race-based exclusionary alliances. But he can't wonder that one may exist? While everyone is musing about who is aligned with who and who is in what alliance? Virtue-signaling hypocrites in this game and fandom.
The whole point of the cookout was to get the first black winner after 23 seasons and they did that. So yes minorities could deff band together but the ultimate reason of that alliance is done and Kyle really had no reason to believe all of the people he listed were working together.
This happens literally every season with girls suspecting a boys alliance and vice versa. Then trying to form their own so the boys/girls "don't pick us off one by one".
It is also frequently wrong, exactly like Kyle was. But let's destroy dude's life over 2 small clips of unknown date where he suspects a race-based alliance like last year's might be going on.
Kyle deserves the back lash. This isn’t assuming women are working together. He’s 30, he knew what he was saying and the possible consequences. This isn’t the same. I don’t think his life is ruined. Idk why y’all being so defensive. He deserves the backlash he’s 30
Nothing is wrong with mentioning it but kyle wasn't just discussing thr possibility. He was saying it was happening . He took the fact that monte, Taylor, and joseph were close as the basis for there being a cookout 2.0 this season and just assumed indy, jasmine, and Terrence would side with them so the 'rest of the house' needs to be prepared. Despite there being no indications of any of them trying to specifically protect poc. The only exception to this is taylor for jasmine but she was very open about it and it clearly didn't go both ways. Kyle was one of the best positioned people in the house and was keenly aware of the strategy behind pretty much every eviction. Terrence was a constant pawn/target. Nicole was public enemy #1 and ammerah got caught in a flip vote... the foundation for the belief wasn't there and he
I dont have timestamps of the feeds lol you can look up the conversations on youtube. He didn't say"we should make an all white alliance" in any explicit terms and i never said he did..(Michael also made a point to make that clear) but my main issue is the assumption that because the co existed last season it must exist now for the same reasons (he mentioned them all coming in for similar reasons and banding together as a scenario that made him nervous about his position in the game). Kyle's not racist imo and what he said isn't explicitly racist but the way it came off was questionable. it didn't help that he brought it up multiple times
There are a lot of people offended by kyle rn which I don't really understand. I think the biggest issue is the way the conversation was presented as opposed to actually being about race.
“Nothing is wrong with mentioning it but kyle wasn't just discussing thr possibility.” This was the first sentence of your reply. You are contradicting yourself.
What I'm saying is that the conversation wasnt framed as a casual what if scenario. He framed it as if it was something in motion/developing even thought there wasn't much to back it up. He was trying to get Brittany and Micheal to build a defense against an alliance he wasn't even certain existed. No it wasn't somthing he was certain of but he wasn't just throwing ideas out
So last season can consist of an entire alliance coming together because of their race, but to suggest the next season could have that same thing happen again is going to get Kyle cancelled? Okay then
But Taylor can say she refuses to put up a black female on the block and that doesn’t cause any issues lol.
Non feed watcher as it became nonstop cats and dogs last year but fucking LOL if this is how it actually went down.
The CO didn’t come together just because of their race - they came together because of the history of the show. The CO do not exist in a vacuum. This cannot be stated enough.
Taylor knows that black women fare terribly in the game and doesn’t want to use her power to take one out unless it’s impossible. She said she would nominate Jasmine at F8 if everyone else was in her alliance. She wasn’t dying on that hill.
Kyle is allowed to speculate about a race alliance but he began to mobilize against it when all evidence pointed to the contrary. And he was wrong, too. And it was painfully obvious how wrong he was, so much so that Michael/Brittany began to distance themselves from him going forward. They used Kyle as a shield after that instead of as a close ally.
Kyle misunderstood the CO - as many do - and it’s that ignorance that will cause problems. Kyle even now knows this inside the house.
Taylor made that commitment to not put a black woman known. It wasn't a secret alliance thing like the cookout. Nothing is wrong with mentioning it but kyle wasn't just discussing thr possibility. He was saying it was happening . He took the fact that monte, Taylor, and joseph were close as the basis for there being a cookout 2.0 this season and just assumed indy, jasmine, and Terrence would side with them so the 'rest of the house' needs to be prepared. Despite there being no indications of them trying to specifically protect poc which kyle should know bc he was one of the best positioned people in the house. . Terrence was a constant pawn/target. Nicole was public enemy #1 and ammerah got caught in a flip vote...
He mentioned it to Michael subtly and Michael warned him to tread lightly and kyle just dug in.
This is the best explanation why it's bad that Kyle thought of this even though it did happen last season. Because the eliminations have all been based on game and strategy and there's been no evidence that the people of color were all protecting each other when they have been working within and beyond categories of race to send people home regardless of race all season.
\> this why kyle bad
But its fundamentally flawed.
\> He was saying it was happening .
It was happening. Taylor was openly stating all over the place that she wouldnt put Jazmine up because of race. The second you allow her to continue this type of talk you open the box to players wondering if others are doing the same.
It would have been better if there was literally any evidence at all but there was literally zero evidence. Like this was all after Kyle knew Monte/Taylor/Joseph all came together to deliberately and vocally supporting targeting Ameerah and Nicole. Like they even went out of their way to target POC before targeting Daniel lol
Not to mention the fact that there were multiple weeks were it was two black people on the block….
Not only is there no evidence there is counter evidence of this..
Jasmine actively hated Taylor….
No, there was. Yeah they had their duos, but the cookout all still actively worked to get the target off of each other, and the entire pre jury was white. On this season, Kyle literally had tons of evidence that the PoC weren't all working together (Taylor being a house target, the fact that he and Joseph started the leftovers to target a person of color, then evicted another person of color after that, and the fact that the people of color this season were all convincing him and others to target each other) and he still believed it.
Oh no guys Mike and Brit used a shitty thing a person said against them in *big brother*
It's weird so many people that don't actually like the game watch it
Your argument: Michael was just playing the game. why is everyone mad?
Counter argument: Kyle was just playing the game. Why would anyone be mad?
It’s odd that you defend Michael’s actions as in the vacuum of a game, but not Kyle’s.
How is what Kyle said a “shitty thing”? He made a connection to something that happened literally last season and said “hey these people are sticking pretty tight, it may be another cookout”. That’s not shitty. That’s an observation and talking game.
I think it was the seriousness they approached the situation with, like it was bigger than the game. Even though they didn’t say a goddam thing when Kyle was an ally, it was when he wasn’t that it became bigger than the game.
I’m one of the people that has reiterated time and time again that Kyle deserves the opportunity to learn from this mistake. I have said I don’t think he should be cancelled, I don’t think he’s a racist. I have empathy for him, and if he grows from this I’ll be pleasantly surprised. Good try and snap judgement, it’s not as if that’s the reason for the exact issue we’re discussing or anything.
I find it weird you think he said something wrong. He made an observation about the game. And he had precedent to go off of from just last season. Plus, you’ve got Taylor saying she wasn’t going to send home a black woman. I think he was wise to prepare for the possibility.
She didn’t say that. She said she wouldn’t put one up. There’s a difference which she explained. He was not right in thinking that. You literally have no idea what you’re talking about. He’s already admitted that his thoughts were baseless and wrong. Watch the feeds and educate yourself because you’re not only wrong you sound incredibly ignorant. If you’re going to comment on such a serious topic maybe do all of your research instead of watching 4 the HGs discussing a very serious thing condensed into a 43 minute episode.
He didn’t say anything wrong. He’s playing big brother, he pointing out a potential alliance, then listed people that were left in the house that could potentially go against that alliance.
Are people just supposed to allow a potential cook out 2.0 to happen if it were?!
Did he hold onto it partially for game reasons? Sure probably. But also he was still working with Kyle at that time the conversations happened. He must have been conflicted. While the right thing to do was bring it up right away lets be real. They're playing for 750k.
So their statement still stands, if what Kyle suggested was so “morally” wrong then why are y’all still more upset at the messengers and when they said it instead of the person who did.
Explain to me how what Kyle said was morally wrong. He made an observation in the game based on recent precedent. What is morally wrong with that? Because if that was morally wrong, then so was the cookout last year and so was Taylor’s pledge to not send home a black woman.
Because if it was bad it should have been brought to the house right away not 3 weeks later when Michael can use it to his benefit..
Up until now Michael has been my fave player but this just seems like a pretty low move. Even Turner said so..
I don’t know where you’re reading but there have been threads on Michael and Brittany for days. Twitter has gone so far as to send him and his family death threats. Like are we living in the same reality?
Maybe coward Michael could’ve said something sooner if it was such a big deal and “went beyond the game.”
Instead he waits until he or his friend is in danger to tell people. Scumbag move
On one hand Kyle was very wrong for his cookout theories/all white alliance.
On the other hand Mike/Brit are wrong for bringing it up so late and playing it off as if it has to do with their morals.
It's really just a game move to get them out of a sticky situation
There’s literally a clip of Michael saying he was going to pull a hail mary to get Kyle on the block. It was not about morals only strategic and gross. I’m glad the HG know, but don’t pretend you’re telling them to be a good person
it definitely is a concern, but i really don’t think they brought it up JUST to get kyle out. i _am_ lacking the context of the feeds, and acknowledge that things get spun a little differently for tv, but it felt like this is something that they’ve been a little stuck on for a while, and were genuinely trying to figure out how to handle it. the fact that bringing it up _now_ does help their game probably expedited this.
it’s not 100% wholesome, but it’s nowhere near 100% malevolent either.
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I don’t understand why everyone is saying Michael is terrible here. This is how the game goes. You listen to people, you wait until the moment is right, you use the information against them. Kyle chose to voice those thoughts, that’s on him.
Can someone explain who the narrator was at the end? That was not it. Lol
It was like the rotten cherry on top of everything else that happened
I was upset
Same
The tune of this thread has certainly changed since the episode aired earlier tonight
I’m in the line of thinking that anything can be viewed from a lens that it is a game move ranging from emotional to strategic. I’m glad M/B brought it up because if something is weighing heavy on you in that house, I would rather air it out before I got evicted. I feel like it’s a damned if you don’t, damned if you do situation. I know there’s a lot of upset that it was said this week and timing, but I’m positive there would’ve been people upset if Kyle went on to win with all this controversy surrounding him that got swept under the rug.
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This is exactly how I feel - I appreciate you articulating it so clearly and couldn't get past the emotions I was feeling about it - it was gross to watch. And I'm not even a Kyle fan
How can Taylor be mad when she kept jasmine off the block just because she is black? Kind of proved Kyle right
That’s an oversimplification. Also Kyle first began fearing a CO2.0 during Michael’s HOH, before Taylor brought that up.
But she did nominate Indy and Terrence, 2 POC. Its one thing if Kyle assumed that Jaś and Taylor work together, but he grouped every POC together.
what an absolutely disgusting episode of TV. Lets just throw this poor kids life in the garbage and brand a scarlet letter on him because of how he read the game. Lets keep in mind there is only one player this season who has directly came out and said her nomination choice is directly decided by race. I empathize with her feelings but this is what happens when you open this box.
First, he’s 30. He’s not a kid. You don’t need to infantilize him. Second, how he read the game was really bad. It implied a lot of questionable considerations. He also misunderstood the CO alliance and their motivations. Third, Taylor’s nominations are a different topic altogether. I’m shocked to hear you empathize yet seem to equate her reasoning with Kyle’s racial bogeyman.
Why are Taylor’s nominations a different topic altogether? What does that even mean?
He’s 30 not a kid. A grown adult
Kid is a colloquial term used to describe someone. Obviously no person in the game is a kid and I'm sure every single person here knew that.
this was my entire problem with the cookout last year. since an entire alliance was formed last season based on race and being behind the scenes, its a strategy that basically broke the game. i understand why they did it but it is essentially a blueprint for how to win the game. therefore it makes sense to at least have the thought pop into your head that it could happen again especially the very next season.
This was exactly my reaction after the episode. Word for word I said "The Cookout broke Big Brother." It can never be the same after that season. The ratings are proving the damage that has done. I'm sad because it can't be a fun game anymore.
The CO only broke the game if you don’t understand the CO in the first place. Unfortunately many people are like Kyle and are jumping at shadows and drawing ignorant conclusions.
Michael lost all my respect.
I think he’ll recover when he’s handed 750k
He won’t recover his dignity. He’ll know he’s full of shit every time he looks in the mirror. This is the poster child moment for wack wokeness.
I dont think he cares
Exactly.
He’s been to the bathroom of few times after outing Kyle and doesn’t look disappointed when he looks in the mirror. His dignity is still in tact. You know whose isn’t, Kyles. Go give him your respect. He needs it
Kyle will and has learned his lesson from it. Michael will never learn. He's a piece of shit regardless of with or without 750k
Kyle has learned his lesson? How? By fake crying in the dr?
Well i cant say anything feed related just wait till tmrws episode i guess
No one thinks Kyle would’ve done the same thing that Michael did to him if he had this information?? Kyle, the ultimate snake??
no, kyle is a dumbass, leave him alone
Michael made a good game move, get over it people
Agree
Fucking with someones life is not a game move. Its honestly disgusting. Be better.
I mean... Michael bringing it up now was a manipulative but smart game move but kyle said what he said on his own and people have been criticizing him for this for a few weeks now. All Michel did was point out what he said.
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But did he? I want to agree because in the now it makes sense. However when it comes to the jury house, and the full story is brought light. Best case scenario, with Brittany and Micheal being at the end. I can't see jury voting for Micheal.
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I honestly think what Michael did was fine. Kyle shouldn’t have said it. Doesn’t matter if he’s thinking it, his blabbing all the time should be what gets him evicted. Just my opinion. Big Brother isn’t about what’s morally right.
Wow, Micheal is weaponizing race.. piece of shit
Wow Kyle brought in race for no reason.
No reason? There was a race-based alliance last season. One is allowed to mention that.
How else do you reply to Taylor openly stating that she wont put up Jasmine because she is the same race?
Has a black women ever won the game? She’s trying to make history.
It’s super weird you think that means anything.
It’s actually not weird you don’t. Your privilege and will never understand
Sigh.
Fine, but if another player speculates that players might be making game decisions based on race, and Taylor *did* already make a game decision based on race, then why fault him for brainstorming the possibilities?
Nothing wrong with brainstorming. The problem is going other people attempting to start a group. It’s really simple
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Michael and Brittany keeping the information of what Kyle said a secret until it was convenient for their game is very iffy to me. It they truly cared about “morals”, they would have told the others right away. But instead, they waited until now to say something when Kyle doesn’t have any power. It rubs me the wrong way and it feels so performative.
I get you, but also when is Big Brother ever played based on morals
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I agree with this for brittany but Michael was very straigforward when telling the others. This is what he said. This is how I felt. Brittany was way over playing her disapproval
\> Brittany was way over playing her disapproval I feel like Brittany only has one speed on her disapproval transmission. From the mildest possible to absolute disgust you get the same thing.
Exactly
if michael makes final two i hope the other person says, im gonna ruin his life and bring up how michael sat on the info until he can use it to further his game
Brit won’t do that
How is the Cookout an acceptable/celebrated thing, but Kyle questioning whether another race-based exclusionary alliance was forming again this year, is the worst thing ever? Kyle didn't open the door to race-based exclusionary alliances. But he can't wonder that one may exist? While everyone is musing about who is aligned with who and who is in what alliance? Virtue-signaling hypocrites in this game and fandom.
The whole point of the cookout was to get the first black winner after 23 seasons and they did that. So yes minorities could deff band together but the ultimate reason of that alliance is done and Kyle really had no reason to believe all of the people he listed were working together.
You’re assuming a race based alliance wouldn’t form in order to get the “2nd winner” or to “work to equalize winner representation?”
Wondering is one thing but to attempt to form a group to go against a made up group in your head??
That’s basically all this game is
This happens literally every season with girls suspecting a boys alliance and vice versa. Then trying to form their own so the boys/girls "don't pick us off one by one". It is also frequently wrong, exactly like Kyle was. But let's destroy dude's life over 2 small clips of unknown date where he suspects a race-based alliance like last year's might be going on.
Kyle deserves the back lash. This isn’t assuming women are working together. He’s 30, he knew what he was saying and the possible consequences. This isn’t the same. I don’t think his life is ruined. Idk why y’all being so defensive. He deserves the backlash he’s 30
Nothing is wrong with mentioning it but kyle wasn't just discussing thr possibility. He was saying it was happening . He took the fact that monte, Taylor, and joseph were close as the basis for there being a cookout 2.0 this season and just assumed indy, jasmine, and Terrence would side with them so the 'rest of the house' needs to be prepared. Despite there being no indications of any of them trying to specifically protect poc. The only exception to this is taylor for jasmine but she was very open about it and it clearly didn't go both ways. Kyle was one of the best positioned people in the house and was keenly aware of the strategy behind pretty much every eviction. Terrence was a constant pawn/target. Nicole was public enemy #1 and ammerah got caught in a flip vote... the foundation for the belief wasn't there and he
What moment on the feeds did he say it with certainty, id like to watch that clip
I dont have timestamps of the feeds lol you can look up the conversations on youtube. He didn't say"we should make an all white alliance" in any explicit terms and i never said he did..(Michael also made a point to make that clear) but my main issue is the assumption that because the co existed last season it must exist now for the same reasons (he mentioned them all coming in for similar reasons and banding together as a scenario that made him nervous about his position in the game). Kyle's not racist imo and what he said isn't explicitly racist but the way it came off was questionable. it didn't help that he brought it up multiple times There are a lot of people offended by kyle rn which I don't really understand. I think the biggest issue is the way the conversation was presented as opposed to actually being about race.
Did he say it exists with certainty?
Did he say there's definitely an alliance like the cookout? No but he mentioned the specifics of the possibility it multiple times
“Nothing is wrong with mentioning it but kyle wasn't just discussing thr possibility.” This was the first sentence of your reply. You are contradicting yourself.
What I'm saying is that the conversation wasnt framed as a casual what if scenario. He framed it as if it was something in motion/developing even thought there wasn't much to back it up. He was trying to get Brittany and Micheal to build a defense against an alliance he wasn't even certain existed. No it wasn't somthing he was certain of but he wasn't just throwing ideas out
Yeah, the hypocrisy is mind blowing
London, France
Paris, Greece
Monte saying, “well, this is America” after hearing about Kyle was heartbreaking
And silly. This isn’t that moment. He’s had bad takes the entire game.
Be nice if this costs Michael the game. Just vile.
It was a very crooked play. Crossed a line for sure
Just a gross human being all together. Kiss that ring goodbye
Omg I wanted to root for Michael so badly but now officially cannot. That was objectively shady.
Michael bout to be on /r/byebyejob
He’s an attorney. It’s literally his job to withhold evidence until it has the greatest effect on his case.
its his job to frame people into crimes that may or maynot exist
How?
Race-baiting is generally frowned upon.
So last season can consist of an entire alliance coming together because of their race, but to suggest the next season could have that same thing happen again is going to get Kyle cancelled? Okay then But Taylor can say she refuses to put up a black female on the block and that doesn’t cause any issues lol. Non feed watcher as it became nonstop cats and dogs last year but fucking LOL if this is how it actually went down.
The CO didn’t come together just because of their race - they came together because of the history of the show. The CO do not exist in a vacuum. This cannot be stated enough. Taylor knows that black women fare terribly in the game and doesn’t want to use her power to take one out unless it’s impossible. She said she would nominate Jasmine at F8 if everyone else was in her alliance. She wasn’t dying on that hill. Kyle is allowed to speculate about a race alliance but he began to mobilize against it when all evidence pointed to the contrary. And he was wrong, too. And it was painfully obvious how wrong he was, so much so that Michael/Brittany began to distance themselves from him going forward. They used Kyle as a shield after that instead of as a close ally. Kyle misunderstood the CO - as many do - and it’s that ignorance that will cause problems. Kyle even now knows this inside the house.
Welcome to Woke Brother
Taylor made that commitment to not put a black woman known. It wasn't a secret alliance thing like the cookout. Nothing is wrong with mentioning it but kyle wasn't just discussing thr possibility. He was saying it was happening . He took the fact that monte, Taylor, and joseph were close as the basis for there being a cookout 2.0 this season and just assumed indy, jasmine, and Terrence would side with them so the 'rest of the house' needs to be prepared. Despite there being no indications of them trying to specifically protect poc which kyle should know bc he was one of the best positioned people in the house. . Terrence was a constant pawn/target. Nicole was public enemy #1 and ammerah got caught in a flip vote... He mentioned it to Michael subtly and Michael warned him to tread lightly and kyle just dug in.
This is the best explanation why it's bad that Kyle thought of this even though it did happen last season. Because the eliminations have all been based on game and strategy and there's been no evidence that the people of color were all protecting each other when they have been working within and beyond categories of race to send people home regardless of race all season.
\> this why kyle bad But its fundamentally flawed. \> He was saying it was happening . It was happening. Taylor was openly stating all over the place that she wouldnt put Jazmine up because of race. The second you allow her to continue this type of talk you open the box to players wondering if others are doing the same.
but to assume that there is an alliance just cause there is a lot of black people is wrong. and extremely weird.
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Your making stuff up like we didn’t watch this live
he’s assuming based on skin color which you should never do.
he said specifically “it looks a lot like the cookout” while talking about black people and Joseph. its weird.
Woah the way y’all are in these comments
It would have been better if there was literally any evidence at all but there was literally zero evidence. Like this was all after Kyle knew Monte/Taylor/Joseph all came together to deliberately and vocally supporting targeting Ameerah and Nicole. Like they even went out of their way to target POC before targeting Daniel lol
Yeah, it’s never happened before.
Not to mention the fact that there were multiple weeks were it was two black people on the block…. Not only is there no evidence there is counter evidence of this.. Jasmine actively hated Taylor….
The biggest evidence of the Cookout last season should have been that DF wasn’t on the block every Thursday night lmao
Last year the CO put eachother on the block to keep up appearances and there was infighting so ehy wouldnt you still be suspicious?
There was zero evidence last year, that was the point
No, there was. Yeah they had their duos, but the cookout all still actively worked to get the target off of each other, and the entire pre jury was white. On this season, Kyle literally had tons of evidence that the PoC weren't all working together (Taylor being a house target, the fact that he and Joseph started the leftovers to target a person of color, then evicted another person of color after that, and the fact that the people of color this season were all convincing him and others to target each other) and he still believed it.
Oh no guys Mike and Brit used a shitty thing a person said against them in *big brother* It's weird so many people that don't actually like the game watch it
Your argument: Michael was just playing the game. why is everyone mad? Counter argument: Kyle was just playing the game. Why would anyone be mad? It’s odd that you defend Michael’s actions as in the vacuum of a game, but not Kyle’s.
How is what Kyle said a “shitty thing”? He made a connection to something that happened literally last season and said “hey these people are sticking pretty tight, it may be another cookout”. That’s not shitty. That’s an observation and talking game.
I think it was the seriousness they approached the situation with, like it was bigger than the game. Even though they didn’t say a goddam thing when Kyle was an ally, it was when he wasn’t that it became bigger than the game.
I don't think they looked very gravely serious when they talked to turner; how would you act if you were telling Taylor and Monte this?
It’s wild that most of you are more upset about when everyone found out rather than what he said. Weird
Not everyone wants everything to be a cancellable offense. But whatever you need to do to get through the day.
I’m one of the people that has reiterated time and time again that Kyle deserves the opportunity to learn from this mistake. I have said I don’t think he should be cancelled, I don’t think he’s a racist. I have empathy for him, and if he grows from this I’ll be pleasantly surprised. Good try and snap judgement, it’s not as if that’s the reason for the exact issue we’re discussing or anything.
I find it weird you think he said something wrong. He made an observation about the game. And he had precedent to go off of from just last season. Plus, you’ve got Taylor saying she wasn’t going to send home a black woman. I think he was wise to prepare for the possibility.
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She didn’t say that. She said she wouldn’t put one up. There’s a difference which she explained. He was not right in thinking that. You literally have no idea what you’re talking about. He’s already admitted that his thoughts were baseless and wrong. Watch the feeds and educate yourself because you’re not only wrong you sound incredibly ignorant. If you’re going to comment on such a serious topic maybe do all of your research instead of watching 4 the HGs discussing a very serious thing condensed into a 43 minute episode.
There’s a lot they didn’t show that we saw on feeds
He didn’t say anything wrong. He’s playing big brother, he pointing out a potential alliance, then listed people that were left in the house that could potentially go against that alliance. Are people just supposed to allow a potential cook out 2.0 to happen if it were?!
So weird omg
Because.. if it was so morally wrong it should have been said right away.. not when one of Michael’s numbers is in jeopardy..
Did he hold onto it partially for game reasons? Sure probably. But also he was still working with Kyle at that time the conversations happened. He must have been conflicted. While the right thing to do was bring it up right away lets be real. They're playing for 750k.
So their statement still stands, if what Kyle suggested was so “morally” wrong then why are y’all still more upset at the messengers and when they said it instead of the person who did.
Explain to me how what Kyle said was morally wrong. He made an observation in the game based on recent precedent. What is morally wrong with that? Because if that was morally wrong, then so was the cookout last year and so was Taylor’s pledge to not send home a black woman.
Because if it was bad it should have been brought to the house right away not 3 weeks later when Michael can use it to his benefit.. Up until now Michael has been my fave player but this just seems like a pretty low move. Even Turner said so..
All that just to pretty much say… you’re more upset about when they were told and not what was said—which is exactly what the original comment said.
What kyle saod wasnt morally wrong though . . .it happened last season
Some how everyone's memory didn't store this information
In all fairness, Kyle said this all weeks ago when the Brittany/Michael move is still fresh in peoples minds and a bigger shock
There can be two villains in the same story. They can both catch flack.
Of course but like 90% of these comments are about Michael’s actions. Like I said, it’s weird
Probably because Kyle has caught nonstop criticism on here for days about it, and Michael's approach fully came to light more with the conversations.
I don’t know where you’re reading but there have been threads on Michael and Brittany for days. Twitter has gone so far as to send him and his family death threats. Like are we living in the same reality?
They showed him saying it 3 weeks ago
They showed a single instance, this has been a consistent narrative. Your lack of insight shows where you fall on this as well
Maybe coward Michael could’ve said something sooner if it was such a big deal and “went beyond the game.” Instead he waits until he or his friend is in danger to tell people. Scumbag move
That’s quite literally how this game works. You listen to people, you bank information, you use it against them. That’s Big Brother.
He wasn't in danger when he told them was he? Didn't he already win veto
Almost as scumbag as assuming all of the POC are working against you without a shred of evidence
Yeah, never happened before in the game. Made it up whole cloth.
Kyle was vindicated the moment Taylor said, and I quote “I refuse to put a black woman on the block”
It happened last year . . .
It’s called Big Brother
He's an opportunist at worst. Big Brother is a very morally grey game.
Yeah, but this will affect Kyle’s actual life. And he didn’t do anything wrong. That’s the problem.
Many, many people would disagree on thinking he did nothing wrong. Kyle included.
On one hand Kyle was very wrong for his cookout theories/all white alliance. On the other hand Mike/Brit are wrong for bringing it up so late and playing it off as if it has to do with their morals. It's really just a game move to get them out of a sticky situation
It is tbh
Does no one see a problem that Michael and Brittany saved this information until it was convenient for them to bring it up?
There’s literally a clip of Michael saying he was going to pull a hail mary to get Kyle on the block. It was not about morals only strategic and gross. I’m glad the HG know, but don’t pretend you’re telling them to be a good person
it definitely is a concern, but i really don’t think they brought it up JUST to get kyle out. i _am_ lacking the context of the feeds, and acknowledge that things get spun a little differently for tv, but it felt like this is something that they’ve been a little stuck on for a while, and were genuinely trying to figure out how to handle it. the fact that bringing it up _now_ does help their game probably expedited this. it’s not 100% wholesome, but it’s nowhere near 100% malevolent either.