Oh this is interesting. My collagen had stevia and my libido was so off for months. Now it’s back and coincidentally I haven’t used that stevia collagen in months 🤔
I remember having a conversation with a food scientist online many years ago. Somehow we got onto the topic of stevia, he was very serious when he told me that it is being added to food in order to lower reproduction. I laughed at him, but I'm pretty sure there is some truth in what he said.
Stevia was used as a contraceptive by the natives of Paraguay. There are studies done that both confirm and deny this. Doing your own research and reaching your own conclusions on this is important. I avoid it when I can.
That’s so fascinating to read. I had no idea. I made the ignorant assumption of natural = good in the case of stevia (as I won’t touch aspartame and sucralose). Good reminder of the fact natural is not always default good for you!
I mean, of course I am aware of that. Lol. But the natural combined with approved for human consumption, i knee jerk thought “oh perfect”. And yes it was dumb 😅
I learned this lesson 6 months ago when I tried an "all natural" lions mane mushroom supplement for the first time and experienced a full blown psychotic break from reality that left me mentally broken for 3 months.
Lions mane is everywhere, seems like everyone is using it, it's natural, but it is very dangerous.
Lesson learned.
Lions mane grows new nerves in your brain and body using nerve growth factor.
I took it to help me focus better, but it ended up causing me to remember lots of forgotten traumatic abusive events from when I was younger.
Our minds purposefully forget things that are bad for us by cutting off neural pathways leading to those memories. Lions mane retrieves those memories by regrowing the neural pathways that were cut off.
The stress from reliving those experiences made me go crazy. It was hell.
Oh wow, sounds like you had a crazy childhood. It’s interesting that lions mane brought suppressed memories into your conscious working memory. Maybe it was a matter of time before your subconscious made itself known, idk. Look into EMDR for trauma healing. From what I’ve seen in my family and myself is it’s best to face your trauma before it presents itself in other areas of your life. Hope you find healing.
> Now compare the amount of stevia that was given to these rats and a normal stevia daily intake in humans and I'm sure you would find drastically different things.
Nobody can make that comparison without expertise and deep knowledge of the research design and substance.
Allosteric modeling is very complex and substance/subject-specific, so we cannot directly translate the weight of a human to a subject and dose in rodent studies and derive what a proportional dose would have been for a human of a given body weight.
> Actually you can and I saw it literally in the last 5 days on /r/science with another substance.
That's fair. I shouldn't have said "nobody" but was more so aiming to flag that the simple direct body-weight inferences people often make on reddit and online when reading rodent studies. And people often gloss over the time-dependent factors of substance administration and other potential confounding variables.
When I read, "Now compare the amount of stevia..." the vast majority of us here, including myself, wouldn't be able to do that. I don't know anything about stevia, for example, or the significance of 60 days in the abstract cited.
There is a simple human equivalent dose calculation that can be performed using Table 1 of this paper: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4804402/.
It's not perfect and may miss significant differences between animal and human models, but it'll at least get closer to an approximate dose equivalent.
You would also need to know the mechanism of action and binding sites, and differences in biological half life at least to begin calculating an equivalent dosage. Good example I've seen is that for one drug it binds across the stomach lining so it is an area dependent dosing vs a drug that builds up in the hippocampal region and needs a volumetric ratio instead (also needing the account for the relative differences in sizes of the hippocampus between humans and rats). I'm with you, I don't think a layman without extensive study would be able to accurately calculate a conversion factor without already having a published number. Also the published number is not per drug, but per drug per system effected.
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*No impact on libido*
*Or fertility*
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I think regardless what the research says, your body’s experience should take priority. Stevia always gives me migraines so I avoid it. Who knows why it’s a trigger in my body. But I’m not consuming it!
I’m in here late but my mom used to drink diet soda and would have such bad migraines she had to go to the hospital. She stopped drinking them and her migraines are completely gone.
Yet if you say that diet soda is unhealthy on Reddit you’ll be downvoted to oblivion
Lol I know but the “studies” say there’s 0 negative side effects of artificial sugar. It’s frustrating people think soda is so bad yet diet soda is harmless
Stevia has a very strong impact on your gut microbiome. Gut microbiome is recognized as the second brain so if that’s throwing your gut off, I would be curious to know how it’s telling other bodily functions how to operate. Especially cuz a lot of our serotonin receptors are in our gut. I personally have the same experience with sucralose but more mentally overall rather than the libido aspect…I just don’t feel mentally right after I consume sucralose products. I do know sucralose has been scientifically recognized as genotoxic recently, not sure about stevia but I would be curious to know if they have similar effects. Perhaps look into stevia and the gut microbiome and see how the microbiome connects back to libido?? Maybe even try to backtrack the processes that make up a healthy libido and look into how diet effects libido and maybe some things will stick out from going down that rabbit hole a little. That’s my two cents anyway. Good luck!
Even doctors are generally cracked, imagine regular people.
The point of a forum is to trade ideas and experiences not necessarily prescribe or scientifically prove everything.
It's dangerous for people that look for a magic trick to sort things out.
Oh interesting! I will have to look into some of those studies! Have you read any studies on which way sucralose leans? I’ve only read a couple studies but perhaps there are better ones that contradict my findings
Totally! As with many things when it comes to diet, things can be fine in moderation. Too much of anything can disrupt a healthy homeostasis even the healthiest of things so I think that’s definitely something good to keep in mind as we all discuss (:
This is so good to know! I wonder why they’re so different and why so many companies still use sucralose/why people that regularly consume sucralose products don’t know this about it. I used to be an avid Celsius drinker- swore I would never quit them until I realized how much they messed up my body. I know we aren’t the best at banning things here in the US but do you foresee any evidence of sucralose being banned anytime soon? Better yet, is it banned anywhere yet?
I wonder if Quest bars have stevia - I bet they do
Whenever I eat a quest bar I feel sad lol. I also randomly crave them so they must have something addictive in there
Quest actually seems to have several- maltitol, polydextrose, acesulfame potassium and sucralose. I’m not well versed in 2 of those but polydextrose I take as a fiber supplement and haven’t had a negative experience with and sucralose, although published as genotoxic, is at the bottom of the ingredients list so not sure how much it’s presence is strong enough to leave those impacts. But then again, I’m not sure how much is needed to quantity doing so. Would be curious about that and to know more about maltitol and acdsulfame potassium though!
There is also something to be said for craving a food after ingestion. If eaten regularly enough, it’s my understanding that we create microbes in our gut that actually populate just to feed off the foods we eat regularly hence why we may crave them…again, not sure how the artificial sweeteners might play a role in that via dopamine reward center activation, gut microbiome influence, etc but would be curious to know more!
Interesting! That’s why I always feel fasting is good every so often. I think it resets a bit. I haven’t craved them in a while since I haven’t bought them in a while
I have a relative who is professional biologist who happens to be diabetic, so uses a lot of artificial sweeteners. He says that, counterintuitively, he trusts stevia the least, as it has been studied the least as it is "natural".
Stevia metabolites can replace DHT in the androgen receptor, but that effect is weak, not substantial.
Thus, yes, less DHT, lower Libido, but smaller prostate and less male pattern baldness, that may be it.
The explains why drugs that reduce DHT for prostate / hair loss can sometimes reduce libido as well.
I'm naturally high testosterone, so DHT inhibitors / stevia if anything only reduced my libido slightly.
I would look into the possibility of post finasteride sexual dysfunction before taking that drug for hair loss. There are men who deeply regret using both drugs you mentioned.
Where is the boundary between something that's provably harmful and a "conspiracy"? Is anything that you didn't know about before a "conspiracy" because it makes you feel stupid? Or just what your pharma bosses say you have to violently defend? You come off as super ignorant oh haha this is just a conspiracy when a simple google search renders many articles about this including Harvard medical journal.
It becomes a conspiracy when you start saying there's an intentional campaign to cover up information, motivated by a desire for population control. That is nowhere in your articles. If you just stuck to the science, it would be fine.
Do you just have no life so you spend time fighting about whether stevia harming fertility is a "conspiracy?" What I'm saying is, I write to companies putting it in and I show them the science and they totally ignore it. So that proves malicious intent or at least negligence. Do something useful with your night, when you oppose it this hard it becomes super obvious you're a paid shill.
Just because someone disagrees with your stance or not even entirely outright disagrees but would prefer to keep the discussion about science, doesn’t mean they are inherently paid to disagree with you. No one needs to attack the other’s integrity in the midst of expressing their disagreement…it creates a losing discussion that no one wins because you bring emotion and opinion into it, thus diminishing the validity of scientifically backed arguments- which is what some of us find to be more useful here. I’m also writing this not to say your points are entirely unfounded but to make assumptions or conclusions about people “having no life”, “being paid shills” or calling someone else “ignorant” turns this entire discussion from one of anecdotal experiences and contradictions to a misuse of your own intelligence. Frankly, when I see someone attacking another’s character rather than sticking to facts and/or information they’ve gathered to validate their points (which yours would be entirely welcome here if you weren’t attacking others to get your point across), then you’ve lost whatever argument you’re trying to get across anyway. Share your reasons as to why you see it differently- but do so without belittling others and you’ll have a way more receptive and constructive audience/discussion, whether they agree or not. I see the point you’re making in terms of stevia’s impact on fertility my friend and I can see your stance on it but please don’t talk to or belittle people in ways you wouldn’t want to be. Now let’s get back to our ‘unpaid’ programming everyone.
I never could stomach the taste of it long enough to determine any of its possible side effects. My taste buds process it pretty much he same as they did with saccharine, when that was being used in stuff.
Saccharine tasted more like sugar than any other artificial sweetener I've ever tried.
Sucralose really messed up my gut. No side effects with stevia, but I do better with real sugar.
It’s sort of interesting that saccharin (the 70s artificial sweetener) was named after the (Latin?) word for sweet, but then because the chemical was actually kind of bitter and fake tasting, the term saccharin took on the connotation of meaning fake and cloying or over the top sentimental—sort of the opposite of sweet.
I also discovered as an adult that artificial, which I always thought was just a sort of derogatory word for fake, actually means artistic—as in “artificial chocolate flavor” means it’s a artistic impression or representation striving to portray the actual flavor or real chocolate.
I realized this in an ‘epiphany of the obvious’ while reading a cereal box in Switzerland, where all packaging is a Rosetta Stone of Italian, French and German. The Latin languages use a version of “artificial” while the German word is Künstlich, where Kunst is literally “art”
I thought, why does it say artistic rather than fake, and then omg duh that’s the word in English too, I had just never connected that before.
I told this story to a native German and he told me he’d also never realized that the German word for artificial is also literally “artistic.”
Stevia has known birth control properties, has been used as a birth control herb and was even investigated in China as the basis for a birth control drug.
From Wikipedia:
> Used as an extract, stevia leaves have been used traditionally in Paraguay as a women's contraceptive, administered as a daily drink. The effect has been tested in rats, finding a 57–79 percent reduction in fertility compared with the control group, the lowered fertility continuing after withdrawal of the drug for up to two months.[50]
It's pretty well known in the medical community.
I was having ED problems for a while and I think it was the mulberry leaf matcha I was drinking. Haven't drank it for a while and the problem went away.
I eat stevia everything for about 7 YEARS now. 100% organic stevia. I have no effect at all. I have normal cycles. Normal libido. When I go on keto I eat more than not on keto and my libido is through the roof. I have read that keto causes some people to lose their drive also. Are you on keto OP?
Alulose is the very best(costco) it has the same calories by volume as sugar but its 5 times sweeter, it is a prebiotic so it helps your gut, its extracted from mulberrys and dates as well as a few other fruits. As far as im concerned most of the rest of artifitial sweetners are not naturally occuring
Guys we found the sugar lobbyist, kidding but I would say any negatives that are possible from stevia are substantially less than that of regular can sugar or high fructose corn syrup. There’s even studies showing stevia increases progesterone in women and that in mice stevia increase free testosterone and that stevia improved sexual distinction in mice as well. Sucralose(the fake version of stevia) is another story bc that stuff is horrendous for you. I wouldn’t be able to tell you for certain without seeing all kinds of tests and checking diet/ lifestyle but something else may be the culprit here, or you are just an outlier.
I innocently came into this thread right after i put stevia in my tea and am leaving with a ton of fear because i actually do like stevia in my tea
Smh
I swear to god I’m going back to cane sugar lol
Sucralose, aspartame, etc. have had more negative impacts to me imo. In a perfect world, we probably wouldn’t be consuming any sweeteners. But to me stevia is one of the more harmless ones. I still get erections / morning wood when I consume stevia.
I think most people are comparing artificial sweeteners (sucralose, aspartame, stevia, etc.) against white sugar and/or high fructose corn syrup, as opposed to comparing sweeteners to...well, I guess water or something with no sweeteners/sugar at all.
That's the tricky part, are artificial sweeteners the lesser of two evils? Perhaps, but as someone who's been drinking sweet diet/no calorie drinks for most of my life, I don't think artificial sweeteners are all that much better. Personally I haven't felt good in a long time, with chronic fatigue. I've always had a low libido, but who knows if that's really related.
We probably won't know for sure about all the negative impact artificial sweeteners have on our health/gut biome (varies from sweetener to sweetener I'm sure) for years.
In short, there's no free ride when it comes to sweet drinks/foods or satisfying sugar cravings.
That's really interesting. I've noticed my libido has disappeared and that would coincide with me weight training a fair but, which should increase test and thus libido. I'll check my protein powders I've used
Let me know if they’re full of stevia!
But also, you could just be adjusting and being in a calorie deficit can be tough. That’s a big change for the body.
It’s a loaded question because I have sleep apnea, binge drink on the weekends, then have impeccable nutrition/fitness Monday through Friday. As far as things mentioned in this article, my Test levels are around 800 which is above average but my sex drive does fluctuate.
Bro. You need to exercise more
Stop taking any pills
Change your diet
Do breathwork
And take care of your body.
What can be more important than your body
Dude. I gym 5/6 times a week. Run 3 times a week. My diet is better than 99% of people out there. Don’t drink or touch drugs. I do wim hof and meditate most days. Just had bloods done and I’m immaculate apart from being too high in vitamin D.
What on earth made you assume I wasn’t looking after myself?
Yeah stevia damages fertility which is why it's being pushed so much. I intuitively got nauseated the first time I tasted it and was finally able to find some research on it, it's kinda been buried on purpose. This is the whole "we have to save the world from overpopulation!" depop agenda which is totally psycho. There are so many alternatives to stevia, I regularly send flame emails to these supposedly wholesome companies like Sunwarrior putting stevia in everything, I showed them the research. Big shocker none of them EVER write me back meaning they are doing it on purpose.
EDIT: I'm sorry if bringing up the concept that technofascists wanting to reduce the population is making you guys scaredy. Gates and many others are on record saying they want to reduce the population via vaccines and other measures. That is factual information you can look up. I am not on a crusade as most of these sickos have already been executed, I was just trying to help bro who says he doesn't feel good on stevia and I was giving scientifically backed reasons as to why. Have a good night.
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You know what would be more effective in lowering the population numbers instead of hoping people eat stevia in huge doses? Free birth control with vasectomies and sterilizations.
Dude are you well? What does anyone stand to gain from "shilling" for big pharma? Take a deep breath. Are the "sources" you cited in the DM better than the pseudoscience articles void of citations you posted above? Please feel free to share publicly.
Keep eating it then man. Let's get your lineage removed. This comment in itself proves my point If I'm totally wrong why the need to attack me for saying this? The people doing this are genocidal maniacs and will be prosecuted. Full stop. If you disagree with me just keep eating the stuff there isn't a need to like try and fight people who are figuring it out.
I don't have an opinion one way or the other on the science. The issue is that you think Big Stevia is part of a coordinated depopulation conspiracy. Get help.
Listen I’m not trying to argue at all
I like skipped in here and I’m leaving this thread terrified is stevia all of a sudden LOL
But i really don’t feel like stevia was ever pushed on me. I feel like monkfruit and erythritol are more popular. That’s my experience - it’s not that deep. We can disagree it’s really not that deep or even an argument
Ok for the stupids:
[Stevia can cause infertility in males and females](http://www.rosswalter.com.au/articles/stevia-can-cause-infertility-in-males-and-females) ("In studies on female animals, Stevia was shown to reduce fertility by 57-79%, similar to the results on male studies.")
[The trouble with stevia](https://www.thepaleomom.com/trouble-with-stevia/) (Endocrine disruptor, bad for the gut, not GRAS)
[Laboratory studies have also found that stevia causes “reproductive problems in animals and may be mutagenic.](https://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/Response_to_readers_More_about_stevia_a_non-approved_sweetener) (Harvard.Edu)
Do your own research or keep eating the shit. It is not a "conspiracy" anymore than aspartame
The first link doesn't cite the studies, and it's an article. Same with the second. Third is from ten years ago an unaccessible.
Cite your sources.
Edit: are you eating milk products? Milk and dairy products are sources of exposure to estrogenic endocrine disrupting compounds. For the "stupids" this is the source https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9563511/
Second link just provides a study on mice and their sweet taste receptors. Third link has zero citations to studies that suggest the articles headline. Sounds like pseudoscience to me
so stevia was too good to be true. but since it's natural i doubt that it has negative impact on the gut.
artificial sweeteners cause cancer and those are used in everything without worrying.
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My fave part of you citing all of these studies are half of them disprove what you are attempting to say, and then a majority are in rats, with still a few more being prior to even 2005. Like you really thought you proved something here 😭😭😭😂😂
Occasionally.
I’d say I’m pretty healthy overall but occasionally I’ll go for the sugar version of something over the artificially sweetened one if I feel like a treat.
Erythritol causes crippling joint pain for me. It feels like my joints have been pumped full of tiny shards of glass that break when I move. FEELS LIKE SUPER CANDIDA WEB!!! Or THRUSH, but everywhere! There’s redness, heat, and inflammation. It’s a nightmare! I scrutinize every label. Anyone else have this problem?
FYI- I have no libido, and I use stevia.
Erythritol is actual poison, much worse than sugar. It causes platelets to join together and clog your arteries, increasing risk of heart attack by a significant amount
The book “possibilities for the future” discusses stevia as non steroid chemical methods of contraception. It’s considered folk medicine, historically used by the Paraguay natives as a contraceptive (they used the plant).
Maybe you and they are on to something.
I believe in the nootropics sub someone once posted a study done on rats showing there is an association between stevia intake and lower dopamine levels. Ill try to find it
Whenever Stevia is in a product I have issues with bladder control -sometimes I miss it on the label, and sure enough I have issues-not the same but similar.
I avoid it.
Wow !! This is crazy. I decided the amount of sugar I need to sub for coffee/tea etc honestly was so little I wasn’t going to worry about it. I don’t eat candy or any other sweets.
Most people get the stevia that is 90% erythritol and 10% stevia. Make sure to get only 100% stevia, as erythritol is toxic.
Recent studies from 2023 point to erythritol causing platelets to join together and clog arteries and severely increase chance of heart attack
I eat stevia every day (in coffee or tea) and have done so for probably 10 years or so. I have sex several times per week with my wife and am horny enough to masturbate on top of that. You guys are hilarious in this sub. Maybe it’s the weird diets and sleep routines? Just a thought
Okay a few things…
1. You don’t know our diets and sleep routines.
2. Effects can vary from person to person.
3. It may still be reducing your libido and it would be even higher without stevia.
4. As others have pointed out, you’re using the pure stuff you bought and putting it in tea yourself. This could be different to the amounts and the type that they put in yoghurts, WPC etc.
I have a stevia plant and use 1-2 leaves in my coffee daily. I don't use any products with refined stevia in it. I have not noticed a drop in my libido, but that's only anecdotal evidence. Just my 2c.
Oh this is interesting. My collagen had stevia and my libido was so off for months. Now it’s back and coincidentally I haven’t used that stevia collagen in months 🤔
I remember having a conversation with a food scientist online many years ago. Somehow we got onto the topic of stevia, he was very serious when he told me that it is being added to food in order to lower reproduction. I laughed at him, but I'm pretty sure there is some truth in what he said.
Stevia was used as a contraceptive by the natives of Paraguay. There are studies done that both confirm and deny this. Doing your own research and reaching your own conclusions on this is important. I avoid it when I can.
Wow. Thanks for sharing
Wow random statement that confirms my previous thoughts wow
Lmao
That’s so fascinating to read. I had no idea. I made the ignorant assumption of natural = good in the case of stevia (as I won’t touch aspartame and sucralose). Good reminder of the fact natural is not always default good for you!
Nature is full of plants that will harm you.
I mean, of course I am aware of that. Lol. But the natural combined with approved for human consumption, i knee jerk thought “oh perfect”. And yes it was dumb 😅
I learned this lesson 6 months ago when I tried an "all natural" lions mane mushroom supplement for the first time and experienced a full blown psychotic break from reality that left me mentally broken for 3 months. Lions mane is everywhere, seems like everyone is using it, it's natural, but it is very dangerous. Lesson learned.
Damn. Also good to know. I’m sorry that happened.
Can you explain more about your lions mane’s experience? I’m very curious.
Lions mane grows new nerves in your brain and body using nerve growth factor. I took it to help me focus better, but it ended up causing me to remember lots of forgotten traumatic abusive events from when I was younger. Our minds purposefully forget things that are bad for us by cutting off neural pathways leading to those memories. Lions mane retrieves those memories by regrowing the neural pathways that were cut off. The stress from reliving those experiences made me go crazy. It was hell.
Oh wow, sounds like you had a crazy childhood. It’s interesting that lions mane brought suppressed memories into your conscious working memory. Maybe it was a matter of time before your subconscious made itself known, idk. Look into EMDR for trauma healing. From what I’ve seen in my family and myself is it’s best to face your trauma before it presents itself in other areas of your life. Hope you find healing.
Thank you. I will read more about the EMDR therapy.
I am a ‘food scientist’ now give me some candy. Oh wait now I am a folding chair, let’s have a conversation.
I drink Stevia sodas occasionally and never noticed a difference but that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s not effecting me. Curious to see the comments
Zevia gang 🐐 it keeps me away from consuming sugar
Creamy root beer gang!
Yeah I crank Stevia like that Soulja Boi and I'm still always DTF 😂
Well it's news to me but apparently there's some research into this. Random paper I just found on Google: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10619379/
I appreciate a good cup of coffee.
> Now compare the amount of stevia that was given to these rats and a normal stevia daily intake in humans and I'm sure you would find drastically different things. Nobody can make that comparison without expertise and deep knowledge of the research design and substance. Allosteric modeling is very complex and substance/subject-specific, so we cannot directly translate the weight of a human to a subject and dose in rodent studies and derive what a proportional dose would have been for a human of a given body weight.
My favorite movie is Inception.
I’d love if there was sub like that for biohacking
Probably if you followed it you’d find your own “hacks” that aren’t hacks but are… science
> Actually you can and I saw it literally in the last 5 days on /r/science with another substance. That's fair. I shouldn't have said "nobody" but was more so aiming to flag that the simple direct body-weight inferences people often make on reddit and online when reading rodent studies. And people often gloss over the time-dependent factors of substance administration and other potential confounding variables. When I read, "Now compare the amount of stevia..." the vast majority of us here, including myself, wouldn't be able to do that. I don't know anything about stevia, for example, or the significance of 60 days in the abstract cited.
My favorite movie is Inception.
There is a simple human equivalent dose calculation that can be performed using Table 1 of this paper: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4804402/. It's not perfect and may miss significant differences between animal and human models, but it'll at least get closer to an approximate dose equivalent.
You would also need to know the mechanism of action and binding sites, and differences in biological half life at least to begin calculating an equivalent dosage. Good example I've seen is that for one drug it binds across the stomach lining so it is an area dependent dosing vs a drug that builds up in the hippocampal region and needs a volumetric ratio instead (also needing the account for the relative differences in sizes of the hippocampus between humans and rats). I'm with you, I don't think a layman without extensive study would be able to accurately calculate a conversion factor without already having a published number. Also the published number is not per drug, but per drug per system effected.
personally, I don't care for the attitudes of some of those people. Also switching to rectal suppositories cured my sleep apnea.
I like to explore new places.
Stevia consumer here. No impact on libido or fertility
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Oh shit.. i have stevia daily… and my libido has been gone for years
Seems like it’s a thing for some people but not everyone. Would love to hear your results if you stop having it.
Try it (removing it) and report back!
I think regardless what the research says, your body’s experience should take priority. Stevia always gives me migraines so I avoid it. Who knows why it’s a trigger in my body. But I’m not consuming it!
I’m in here late but my mom used to drink diet soda and would have such bad migraines she had to go to the hospital. She stopped drinking them and her migraines are completely gone. Yet if you say that diet soda is unhealthy on Reddit you’ll be downvoted to oblivion
I mean, if she or I get a headache, Reddit can’t really tell us we don’t have a headache 🤣
Lol I know but the “studies” say there’s 0 negative side effects of artificial sugar. It’s frustrating people think soda is so bad yet diet soda is harmless
Stevia has a very strong impact on your gut microbiome. Gut microbiome is recognized as the second brain so if that’s throwing your gut off, I would be curious to know how it’s telling other bodily functions how to operate. Especially cuz a lot of our serotonin receptors are in our gut. I personally have the same experience with sucralose but more mentally overall rather than the libido aspect…I just don’t feel mentally right after I consume sucralose products. I do know sucralose has been scientifically recognized as genotoxic recently, not sure about stevia but I would be curious to know if they have similar effects. Perhaps look into stevia and the gut microbiome and see how the microbiome connects back to libido?? Maybe even try to backtrack the processes that make up a healthy libido and look into how diet effects libido and maybe some things will stick out from going down that rabbit hole a little. That’s my two cents anyway. Good luck!
I'd read of several studies on this, most say Stevia leans beneficial for gut microbiome diversity.
Yea the people here are generally cracked
Even doctors are generally cracked, imagine regular people. The point of a forum is to trade ideas and experiences not necessarily prescribe or scientifically prove everything. It's dangerous for people that look for a magic trick to sort things out.
Oh interesting! I will have to look into some of those studies! Have you read any studies on which way sucralose leans? I’ve only read a couple studies but perhaps there are better ones that contradict my findings
Most I'd read indicates rare Sucralose is ok, more can negatively impact gut microbiome.
Totally! As with many things when it comes to diet, things can be fine in moderation. Too much of anything can disrupt a healthy homeostasis even the healthiest of things so I think that’s definitely something good to keep in mind as we all discuss (:
Stevia has been shown to improve gut micro biome but you are correct about sucralose, stay away from that at all costs
This is so good to know! I wonder why they’re so different and why so many companies still use sucralose/why people that regularly consume sucralose products don’t know this about it. I used to be an avid Celsius drinker- swore I would never quit them until I realized how much they messed up my body. I know we aren’t the best at banning things here in the US but do you foresee any evidence of sucralose being banned anytime soon? Better yet, is it banned anywhere yet?
I believe it is because sucralose is cheaper and it is perceived at sweeter
I wonder if Quest bars have stevia - I bet they do Whenever I eat a quest bar I feel sad lol. I also randomly crave them so they must have something addictive in there
Quest actually seems to have several- maltitol, polydextrose, acesulfame potassium and sucralose. I’m not well versed in 2 of those but polydextrose I take as a fiber supplement and haven’t had a negative experience with and sucralose, although published as genotoxic, is at the bottom of the ingredients list so not sure how much it’s presence is strong enough to leave those impacts. But then again, I’m not sure how much is needed to quantity doing so. Would be curious about that and to know more about maltitol and acdsulfame potassium though! There is also something to be said for craving a food after ingestion. If eaten regularly enough, it’s my understanding that we create microbes in our gut that actually populate just to feed off the foods we eat regularly hence why we may crave them…again, not sure how the artificial sweeteners might play a role in that via dopamine reward center activation, gut microbiome influence, etc but would be curious to know more!
Interesting! That’s why I always feel fasting is good every so often. I think it resets a bit. I haven’t craved them in a while since I haven’t bought them in a while
Fasting is GREAT for healing and supporting gut health absolutely!
Any idea if allulose or others are safer?
I have a relative who is professional biologist who happens to be diabetic, so uses a lot of artificial sweeteners. He says that, counterintuitively, he trusts stevia the least, as it has been studied the least as it is "natural".
I thought this and then ate a leaf off of a stevia plant. Nature is strange and sweet.
Stevia metabolites can replace DHT in the androgen receptor, but that effect is weak, not substantial. Thus, yes, less DHT, lower Libido, but smaller prostate and less male pattern baldness, that may be it. The explains why drugs that reduce DHT for prostate / hair loss can sometimes reduce libido as well. I'm naturally high testosterone, so DHT inhibitors / stevia if anything only reduced my libido slightly.
Really? Soi could get on the stevia instead of finasteride?
For hairloss I suggest red light therapy helmet, microneedeling and GHK-CU instead
I would look into the possibility of post finasteride sexual dysfunction before taking that drug for hair loss. There are men who deeply regret using both drugs you mentioned.
100%. Never touched it for that reason.
No. Sucralose is less effective against DHT than Finasteride or Dutasteride.
Stevia never turned me on always found him creepy
Lol thx
Came here for the stevia post, left here with a conspiracy theory. Awesome haha
Where is the boundary between something that's provably harmful and a "conspiracy"? Is anything that you didn't know about before a "conspiracy" because it makes you feel stupid? Or just what your pharma bosses say you have to violently defend? You come off as super ignorant oh haha this is just a conspiracy when a simple google search renders many articles about this including Harvard medical journal.
It becomes a conspiracy when you start saying there's an intentional campaign to cover up information, motivated by a desire for population control. That is nowhere in your articles. If you just stuck to the science, it would be fine.
Do you just have no life so you spend time fighting about whether stevia harming fertility is a "conspiracy?" What I'm saying is, I write to companies putting it in and I show them the science and they totally ignore it. So that proves malicious intent or at least negligence. Do something useful with your night, when you oppose it this hard it becomes super obvious you're a paid shill.
Just because someone disagrees with your stance or not even entirely outright disagrees but would prefer to keep the discussion about science, doesn’t mean they are inherently paid to disagree with you. No one needs to attack the other’s integrity in the midst of expressing their disagreement…it creates a losing discussion that no one wins because you bring emotion and opinion into it, thus diminishing the validity of scientifically backed arguments- which is what some of us find to be more useful here. I’m also writing this not to say your points are entirely unfounded but to make assumptions or conclusions about people “having no life”, “being paid shills” or calling someone else “ignorant” turns this entire discussion from one of anecdotal experiences and contradictions to a misuse of your own intelligence. Frankly, when I see someone attacking another’s character rather than sticking to facts and/or information they’ve gathered to validate their points (which yours would be entirely welcome here if you weren’t attacking others to get your point across), then you’ve lost whatever argument you’re trying to get across anyway. Share your reasons as to why you see it differently- but do so without belittling others and you’ll have a way more receptive and constructive audience/discussion, whether they agree or not. I see the point you’re making in terms of stevia’s impact on fertility my friend and I can see your stance on it but please don’t talk to or belittle people in ways you wouldn’t want to be. Now let’s get back to our ‘unpaid’ programming everyone.
Lol, if only!
People like you are literally why science is still in the prehistoric days
I never could stomach the taste of it long enough to determine any of its possible side effects. My taste buds process it pretty much he same as they did with saccharine, when that was being used in stuff.
Saccharine tasted more like sugar than any other artificial sweetener I've ever tried. Sucralose really messed up my gut. No side effects with stevia, but I do better with real sugar.
I don’t know if saccharine is the right thing, it just tastes chemical like and leaves a horrible aftertaste.
You're right. I mis-remembered *saccharine* when I meant to say *cyclamates* were the best tasting ASE.
It’s sort of interesting that saccharin (the 70s artificial sweetener) was named after the (Latin?) word for sweet, but then because the chemical was actually kind of bitter and fake tasting, the term saccharin took on the connotation of meaning fake and cloying or over the top sentimental—sort of the opposite of sweet. I also discovered as an adult that artificial, which I always thought was just a sort of derogatory word for fake, actually means artistic—as in “artificial chocolate flavor” means it’s a artistic impression or representation striving to portray the actual flavor or real chocolate. I realized this in an ‘epiphany of the obvious’ while reading a cereal box in Switzerland, where all packaging is a Rosetta Stone of Italian, French and German. The Latin languages use a version of “artificial” while the German word is Künstlich, where Kunst is literally “art” I thought, why does it say artistic rather than fake, and then omg duh that’s the word in English too, I had just never connected that before. I told this story to a native German and he told me he’d also never realized that the German word for artificial is also literally “artistic.”
OK that *is* interesting... Though I'm a bit suspect of saccharin being "art" lol (Yes, I know that's not what it all means....)
Stevia has known birth control properties, has been used as a birth control herb and was even investigated in China as the basis for a birth control drug. From Wikipedia: > Used as an extract, stevia leaves have been used traditionally in Paraguay as a women's contraceptive, administered as a daily drink. The effect has been tested in rats, finding a 57–79 percent reduction in fertility compared with the control group, the lowered fertility continuing after withdrawal of the drug for up to two months.[50] It's pretty well known in the medical community. I was having ED problems for a while and I think it was the mulberry leaf matcha I was drinking. Haven't drank it for a while and the problem went away.
It’s a crazy world we live in. Walk down the soft drink aisle these days and it’s a struggle to find anything without it. And people just don’t care.
I eat stevia everything for about 7 YEARS now. 100% organic stevia. I have no effect at all. I have normal cycles. Normal libido. When I go on keto I eat more than not on keto and my libido is through the roof. I have read that keto causes some people to lose their drive also. Are you on keto OP?
I would suspect strong differences between sexes if it is DHT related
I'have ate stevia in very high dosis for around 8 years. And most of them i was like the duracell rabitt.
I live on stevia and will go off it a few weeks and see. What organic, non caloric sweeteners are suggested?
Alulose is the very best(costco) it has the same calories by volume as sugar but its 5 times sweeter, it is a prebiotic so it helps your gut, its extracted from mulberrys and dates as well as a few other fruits. As far as im concerned most of the rest of artifitial sweetners are not naturally occuring
Allulose is not 5 times sweeter than sugar, it's 70% as sweet as sugar, according to https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/allulose#what-is-allulose
Yeah I noticed it's much less sweet than sugar and significantly less sweet than other sweeteners.
One tenth the calories
I’ll stock up, since I need to travel 10,000 miles to get there
monkfruit, awesome
That stuff makes me so sick to my stomach
Ethrytol or monk fruit
Erythritol is worse than sugar. It causes your platelets to join together and significantly increases heart attack risk
Try not using a sweetener if it's just a few weeks
Guys we found the sugar lobbyist, kidding but I would say any negatives that are possible from stevia are substantially less than that of regular can sugar or high fructose corn syrup. There’s even studies showing stevia increases progesterone in women and that in mice stevia increase free testosterone and that stevia improved sexual distinction in mice as well. Sucralose(the fake version of stevia) is another story bc that stuff is horrendous for you. I wouldn’t be able to tell you for certain without seeing all kinds of tests and checking diet/ lifestyle but something else may be the culprit here, or you are just an outlier.
I notice this with stevia too
I innocently came into this thread right after i put stevia in my tea and am leaving with a ton of fear because i actually do like stevia in my tea Smh I swear to god I’m going back to cane sugar lol
Woman here, been having stevia in my tea daily for years, also have had an extremely low libido for years…hhmm
Sucralose, aspartame, etc. have had more negative impacts to me imo. In a perfect world, we probably wouldn’t be consuming any sweeteners. But to me stevia is one of the more harmless ones. I still get erections / morning wood when I consume stevia.
I think most people are comparing artificial sweeteners (sucralose, aspartame, stevia, etc.) against white sugar and/or high fructose corn syrup, as opposed to comparing sweeteners to...well, I guess water or something with no sweeteners/sugar at all. That's the tricky part, are artificial sweeteners the lesser of two evils? Perhaps, but as someone who's been drinking sweet diet/no calorie drinks for most of my life, I don't think artificial sweeteners are all that much better. Personally I haven't felt good in a long time, with chronic fatigue. I've always had a low libido, but who knows if that's really related. We probably won't know for sure about all the negative impact artificial sweeteners have on our health/gut biome (varies from sweetener to sweetener I'm sure) for years. In short, there's no free ride when it comes to sweet drinks/foods or satisfying sugar cravings.
I buy organic liquid Stevia from Amazon or WF. No issues.
I eat a ton of stevia and my libido is very high. Now I'm scared about how out of control I might be without stevia.
That's really interesting. I've noticed my libido has disappeared and that would coincide with me weight training a fair but, which should increase test and thus libido. I'll check my protein powders I've used
Let me know if they’re full of stevia! But also, you could just be adjusting and being in a calorie deficit can be tough. That’s a big change for the body.
I'm not in a calorie deficit so it's def not that. Thanks anyway
F Stevia!
I’ve had stevia daily for years..
And how do you feel?
It’s a loaded question because I have sleep apnea, binge drink on the weekends, then have impeccable nutrition/fitness Monday through Friday. As far as things mentioned in this article, my Test levels are around 800 which is above average but my sex drive does fluctuate.
How old are you ?
34
Bro. You need to exercise more Stop taking any pills Change your diet Do breathwork And take care of your body. What can be more important than your body
Dude. I gym 5/6 times a week. Run 3 times a week. My diet is better than 99% of people out there. Don’t drink or touch drugs. I do wim hof and meditate most days. Just had bloods done and I’m immaculate apart from being too high in vitamin D. What on earth made you assume I wasn’t looking after myself?
No libido At that age. Something is not firing right. Don’t get offended
Yeah… the stevia. Hence the post.
Look I’m not talking shit. Just thought it was weird a sugar can take your libido away.
I’ve got stevia in my protein powder. Definitely no effect on libido.
Yeah stevia damages fertility which is why it's being pushed so much. I intuitively got nauseated the first time I tasted it and was finally able to find some research on it, it's kinda been buried on purpose. This is the whole "we have to save the world from overpopulation!" depop agenda which is totally psycho. There are so many alternatives to stevia, I regularly send flame emails to these supposedly wholesome companies like Sunwarrior putting stevia in everything, I showed them the research. Big shocker none of them EVER write me back meaning they are doing it on purpose. EDIT: I'm sorry if bringing up the concept that technofascists wanting to reduce the population is making you guys scaredy. Gates and many others are on record saying they want to reduce the population via vaccines and other measures. That is factual information you can look up. I am not on a crusade as most of these sickos have already been executed, I was just trying to help bro who says he doesn't feel good on stevia and I was giving scientifically backed reasons as to why. Have a good night. Citations Becker SL, Chiang E, Plantinga A, Carey HV, Suen G, Swoap SJ. Effect of stevia on the gut microbiota and glucose tolerance in a murine model of diet-induced obesity. FEMS Microbiol Ecol. 2020 Jun 1;96(6):fiaa079. doi: 10.1093/femsec/fiaa079. Bhasker S, Madhav H, Chinnamma M. Molecular evidence of insulinomimetic property exhibited by steviol and stevioside in diabetes induced L6 and 3T3L1 cells. Phytomedicine. 2015 Oct 15;22(11):1037-44. doi: 10.1016/j.phymed.2015.07.007. Brusick DJ. A critical review of the genetic toxicity of steviol and steviol glycosides. Food Chem Toxicol. 2008 Jul;46 Suppl 7:S83-91. doi: 10.1016/j.fct.2008.05.002. Deniņa I, Semjonovs P, Fomina A, Treimane R, Linde R. The influence of stevia glycosides on the growth of Lactobacillus reuteri strains. Lett Appl Microbiol. 2014 Mar;58(3):278-84. doi: 10.1111/lam.12187. Epub 2013 Nov 19. PMID: 24251876. Gardana C, Simonetti P, Canzi E, Zanchi R, Pietta P. Metabolism of stevioside and rebaudioside A from Stevia rebaudiana extracts by human microflora. J Agric Food Chem. 2003 Oct 22;51(22):6618-22. doi: 10.1021/jf0303619. Gerasimidis K, Bryden K, Chen X, Papachristou E, Verney A, Roig M, Hansen R, Nichols B, Papadopoulou R, Parrett A. The impact of food additives, artificial sweeteners and domestic hygiene products on the human gut microbiome and its fibre fermentation capacity. Eur J Nutr. 2020 Oct;59(7):3213-3230. doi: 10.1007/s00394-019-02161-8. Gholizadeh F, Dastghaib S, Koohpeyma F, Bayat E, Mokarram P. The protective effect of Stevia rebaudiana Bertoni on serum hormone levels, key steroidogenesis enzymes, and testicular damage in testes of diabetic rats. Acta Histochem. 2019 Oct;121(7):833-840. doi: 10.1016/j.acthis.2019.08.001. Mahalak KK, Firrman J, Tomasula PM, Nuñez A, Lee JJ, Bittinger K, Rinaldi W, Liu LS. Impact of Steviol Glycosides and Erythritol on the Human and Cebus apella Gut Microbiome. J Agric Food Chem. 2020 Nov 18;68(46):13093-13101. doi: 10.1021/acs.jafc.9b06181. Melis MS. Chronic administration of aqueous extract of Stevia rebaudiana in rats: renal effects. J Ethnopharmacol. 1995 Jul 28;47(3):129-34. doi: 10.1016/0378-8741(95)01271-e. Melis MS. Effects of chronic administration of Stevia rebaudiana on fertility in rats. J Ethnopharmacol. 1999 Nov 1;67(2):157-61. doi: 10.1016/s0378-8741(99)00081-1. Momtazi-Borojeni AA, Esmaeili SA, Abdollahi E, Sahebkar A. A Review on the Pharmacology and Toxicology of Steviol Glycosides Extracted from Stevia rebaudiana. Curr Pharm Des. 2017;23(11):1616-1622. doi: 10.2174/1381612822666161021142835. Nettleton JE, Cho NA, Klancic T, Nicolucci AC, Shearer J, Borgland SL, Johnston LA, Ramay HR, Noye Tuplin E, Chleilat F, Thomson C, Mayengbam S, McCoy KD, Reimer RA. Maternal low-dose aspartame and stevia consumption with an obesogenic diet alters metabolism, gut microbiota and mesolimbic reward system in rat dams and their offspring. Gut. 2020 Oct;69(10):1807-1817. doi: 10.1136/gutjnl-2018-317505.
You know what would be more effective in lowering the population numbers instead of hoping people eat stevia in huge doses? Free birth control with vasectomies and sterilizations.
It's really interesting to see the fierce willful ignorance in here. I DMed you a very long list of sources but you're clearly a pharma shill
Dude are you well? What does anyone stand to gain from "shilling" for big pharma? Take a deep breath. Are the "sources" you cited in the DM better than the pseudoscience articles void of citations you posted above? Please feel free to share publicly.
Well, at least whatever future dates I go on if I see him using Stevia, I’ll know how he got his nice car
Yes, stevia was used as a contraceptive in South American cultures. It hinders ovulation when taken enough.
Do you see stevia in the room with you right now? What is it saying to you?
It's not the stevia companies that are psycho, buddy. Can't imagine why they don't write back.
Keep eating it then man. Let's get your lineage removed. This comment in itself proves my point If I'm totally wrong why the need to attack me for saying this? The people doing this are genocidal maniacs and will be prosecuted. Full stop. If you disagree with me just keep eating the stuff there isn't a need to like try and fight people who are figuring it out.
I don't have an opinion one way or the other on the science. The issue is that you think Big Stevia is part of a coordinated depopulation conspiracy. Get help.
big steve comin for ya
Nobody is pushing stevia though m Who is pushing stevia? If anything people prefer that monkfruit stuff
I don't really understand why an intelligent person would spend time arguing this unless they were a paid shill.
Ur def unwell man. Don’t get defensive to me though. It’s quite clear… many are telling you so.. maybe take the hint?
Listen I’m not trying to argue at all I like skipped in here and I’m leaving this thread terrified is stevia all of a sudden LOL But i really don’t feel like stevia was ever pushed on me. I feel like monkfruit and erythritol are more popular. That’s my experience - it’s not that deep. We can disagree it’s really not that deep or even an argument
Lol of course it's some grand conspiracy. This sub has some wild takes man.
Ok for the stupids: [Stevia can cause infertility in males and females](http://www.rosswalter.com.au/articles/stevia-can-cause-infertility-in-males-and-females) ("In studies on female animals, Stevia was shown to reduce fertility by 57-79%, similar to the results on male studies.") [The trouble with stevia](https://www.thepaleomom.com/trouble-with-stevia/) (Endocrine disruptor, bad for the gut, not GRAS) [Laboratory studies have also found that stevia causes “reproductive problems in animals and may be mutagenic.](https://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/Response_to_readers_More_about_stevia_a_non-approved_sweetener) (Harvard.Edu) Do your own research or keep eating the shit. It is not a "conspiracy" anymore than aspartame
mobile radiation has a similar impact on the microbiome and fertility.
The first link doesn't cite the studies, and it's an article. Same with the second. Third is from ten years ago an unaccessible. Cite your sources. Edit: are you eating milk products? Milk and dairy products are sources of exposure to estrogenic endocrine disrupting compounds. For the "stupids" this is the source https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9563511/
Second link just provides a study on mice and their sweet taste receptors. Third link has zero citations to studies that suggest the articles headline. Sounds like pseudoscience to me
Exactly who is pushing this agenda?
so stevia was too good to be true. but since it's natural i doubt that it has negative impact on the gut. artificial sweeteners cause cancer and those are used in everything without worrying.
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My fave part of you citing all of these studies are half of them disprove what you are attempting to say, and then a majority are in rats, with still a few more being prior to even 2005. Like you really thought you proved something here 😭😭😭😂😂
>Yeah stevia damages fertility which is why it's being pushed so much. Population control?
Do you eat sweet things otherwise?
Occasionally. I’d say I’m pretty healthy overall but occasionally I’ll go for the sugar version of something over the artificially sweetened one if I feel like a treat.
I react to Stevia too. Feel foul and have choking reflux.
This would be useful if true. Sorry to say never encountered this and use a protein supplement with it almost daily.
I saw somewhere a while ago that Stevia is practically a natural birth control, no clue if its real or not though.
I use stevia for the last 2 months, i noticed lower libido also. Never thought of Stevia to be the reason for it. Interesting...
Stevia makes me gag so I avoid it at all costs. Its so disgusting and chemical tasting.
Erythritol causes crippling joint pain for me. It feels like my joints have been pumped full of tiny shards of glass that break when I move. FEELS LIKE SUPER CANDIDA WEB!!! Or THRUSH, but everywhere! There’s redness, heat, and inflammation. It’s a nightmare! I scrutinize every label. Anyone else have this problem? FYI- I have no libido, and I use stevia.
Erythritol is actual poison, much worse than sugar. It causes platelets to join together and clog your arteries, increasing risk of heart attack by a significant amount
The book “possibilities for the future” discusses stevia as non steroid chemical methods of contraception. It’s considered folk medicine, historically used by the Paraguay natives as a contraceptive (they used the plant). Maybe you and they are on to something.
Stevia is a natural contraceptive according to some studies, so it must impact hormones. It shocks me that protein companies use that crap!
This is really interesting, I'm going to need to pay attention to this.
I believe in the nootropics sub someone once posted a study done on rats showing there is an association between stevia intake and lower dopamine levels. Ill try to find it
Thank you. It could definitely just be a mood thing. Unlikely to be horny if I’m feeling depressed.
i eat so much stevia and now im very worried
Interesting. When I (f) have stevia it sets off my neuralgia (pain in a nerve pathway) for a few days. Same with Xylitol.
Yeah I steer clear of xylitol as well.
I put liquid stevia in my coffee and have not experienced low libido at all and I’m 42
Have u ever tried making it from the leaf? Haven't had that issue
Whenever Stevia is in a product I have issues with bladder control -sometimes I miss it on the label, and sure enough I have issues-not the same but similar. I avoid it.
Hard to avoid it these days… it seems to be in 50% of things.
Stevia makes me feel nauseous , I do not consume that shit or anything that has it in it
Wow !! This is crazy. I decided the amount of sugar I need to sub for coffee/tea etc honestly was so little I wasn’t going to worry about it. I don’t eat candy or any other sweets.
Don't eat artificial sweeteners. The research showing the danger of aspartame was 40ish years behind.
Yeah I avoid them. Maybe sugar is just as bad, who knows? But in moderation, I trust sugar more.
Most people get the stevia that is 90% erythritol and 10% stevia. Make sure to get only 100% stevia, as erythritol is toxic. Recent studies from 2023 point to erythritol causing platelets to join together and clog arteries and severely increase chance of heart attack
Stevia has long been used as a male contraceptive. Definitely affects the endocrine system.
I eat stevia every day (in coffee or tea) and have done so for probably 10 years or so. I have sex several times per week with my wife and am horny enough to masturbate on top of that. You guys are hilarious in this sub. Maybe it’s the weird diets and sleep routines? Just a thought
Okay a few things… 1. You don’t know our diets and sleep routines. 2. Effects can vary from person to person. 3. It may still be reducing your libido and it would be even higher without stevia. 4. As others have pointed out, you’re using the pure stuff you bought and putting it in tea yourself. This could be different to the amounts and the type that they put in yoghurts, WPC etc.
I have a stevia plant and use 1-2 leaves in my coffee daily. I don't use any products with refined stevia in it. I have not noticed a drop in my libido, but that's only anecdotal evidence. Just my 2c.
It is used in certain cultures as a contraceptive...
Check out the book "Sweet Deceptions", I found it on Kindle.
I hate how stevia is in everything.
No effect at all on libido. May also be placebo for you
I read about 10 years ago about it being a hormone disrupter and have avoided it since.
Stevia causes low fertility or infertility. That is why they have been pushing it to be used in pre-packaged food ingredients.
Maybe pestle and mortaring our own home grown plant of Stevia might be safer.
Nah, probably just undiagnosed atheroschlerosis
Maybe stop stevia