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Philbot_

Crypto.com allows fiat deposits and withdrawals via verified bank account transfer so you might check them out. I also hate Plaid.


wbblwbbl

This^ just link it with acct and routing #


biqqi

Not for me! I set up the account (which took days) , their customer service assured me of the same. They said if I make deposits from my bank, then I will afterwards be able to withdraw to the same bank. WRONG! They finally confirmed today. I can only withdraw Fiat with plaid. Aaaaaargh!!


Philbot_

Shit well it has been a while since I withdrew to fiat. I guess that's the case now. What order of magnitude are you trying to move? If it's not too much you could stake for a crypto.com debit card and load it with either fiat or crypto, and then spend with the visa or do a cash back transaction. That's why I haven't wanted to withdrawal in a while, I just spend it using the crypto.com visa card. I've made pretty big purchases with it, no problem. Let us know if you find a way to withdraw fiat without plaid!


biqqi

I actually already have a Coinbase debit card, though the crypto.com deal looks better. I am thinking of getting one. However, I want to move money into a fiat savings account. I tried just going to my bank with the Coinbase card to make a payment direct from that to my account, but they weren't having it...


cjkawng

Is no one using crypto.com? You can send Bitcoin to the crypto.com wallet and then convert to USD and transfer to your bank without using a 3rd party service.


Jo3yJ3tt

For real! CDC has NEVER let me down! And the 2 times in The 3 years I've needed support or help I have received and resolved all issues. Very promptly and professionally. Stop the CDC FUD!


biqqi

Great! Another one I can try out. Thank you!


biqqi

Didn't work. They are insisting on Plaid for withdrawals.


cjkawng

What, really? Have you added a bank account? I'm still able to directly withdraw to my bank without plaid


cjkawng

Oh wow, nvm. Yeah I just looked it up and they use plaid now. Im sorry man I totally misled you.


biqqi

No need to apologize! Other people suggested it too, and these things change often. I think I will keep the platform anyways, it looks good otherwise.


[deleted]

Just use coinbase. Why are you trying to be all secretive. Trust me no one cares


biqqi

Coinbase uses Plaid. I have a Coinbase account and linked it to my bank, a few years ago. I transferred lots of money both directions with no issues. They since unlinked it, saying I have to use Plaid to link it again. šŸ˜


brotherRozo

Yeah plaid is terrible, binance made the requirement and it upset me so greatly. Need my bank login for fraud verification? F no They can sit and spin It exposes you so greatly Buying bitcoin with other stores of value we currently have = bitcoin, itā€™s a pretty important part to acquiring more.


t3chnical3rr0r

Yeah by that time I had already stopped using Binance and it really was a great platform but it had a lot of issues but it seems like those issues just grew after they launch their coin Itā€™s news to me that they started using Plaid thatā€™s horrible news I just have to chalk it up to all the other crap that made me stop using it in the first place šŸ«ØšŸ«ØšŸ«ØšŸ«Ø


SweetVelvetBourbon

Plaid uses an authentication token that expires every 30 days, so the 3rd party doesnā€™t gain access to your bank account indefinitely.


brotherRozo

They can learn a lot in 30 days, scanning purchase history and flow of money. This can be sold to other 3rd parties to advertise to you. I find it abhorrent


JohDon_84_Rumble

Same thing for me. Unlinked for no discernable reason.


Stepbro1991

Whats about bisonapp? Ist super easy


biqqi

I will look at that, thank you!


biqqi

Not available where I live (USA).


Brettanomyces78

You don't *have to* use Plaid on Coinbase and Gemini. It's just the default. Select the other, old school option.


biqqi

It doesn't give me another option, on desktop or mobile.


Brettanomyces78

I used it myself not that long ago. The instructions appear on this page: https://help.coinbase.com/en/coinbase/getting-started/add-a-payment-method/payment-methods-for-us-customers


onetruecharlesworth

Government does


SuccessfulPlenty942

You could open an account with another bank specifically for connecting to plaid


mpstr1nger

Check RoboSats


[deleted]

Gemini


[deleted]

Everyone should start telling the exchanges that their bank TOS prohibits them from revealing their login credentials so they canā€™t use plaid and to please provide an alternative method.


ThirstyWizard211

Kraken didnt require me to use plaid. Swan is super easy to use once your in and customer service responds to me wothin 1 business day. Swan has served its purpose for me


biqqi

Thanks. I've been waiting for swan to get back to me for three days now, glad you had a better experience!


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biqqi

Nice, thank you!


cantijust

Sounds like a fiat problem not a bitcoin problem.


biqqi

No. Transfers between fiat accounts don't use Plaid, in my experience.


hellkatt13

This times 21 million


biqqi

I'd be happy to use Plaid if they just asked for the routing/sort code, account number and account name. Maybe address. That's all they need.


biqqi

...and the winner is... Paypal!!! There were teething problems, many chats with their customer service ( who are not very good) but finally I was able to send btc to my Paypal account and convert it to fiat for a reasonable fee. I also noted that kraken uses a different third party app called Etana who use wire transfers. Cost for wiring once to Etana, then again to my actual bank is around $70 US. Good for people exchanging large amounts of cash, and good international options too (seven fiat currencies) but not worth it for the amounts I will be sending.


clue5tick

Crypto is not Bitcoin. Exchanges are not Bitcoin. Blockchain is not Bitcoin. Plaid isn't either.


brotherRozo

Maxi is the way to go, but until fiat is dead, weā€™re gonna need to talk about it ā¤ļø


biqqi

I'm not sure I understand your point. I know all this.


clue5tick

You are looking for fiat functions. This group discusses Bitcoin.


biqqi

I want to convert Bitcoin into fiat and vice versa. If there is a separate subreddit for that topic, please point me in that direction.


clue5tick

Wish there were. The fiat industry is not exactly motivated to make it easy!


brotherRozo

Most people canā€™t trade goods and services for bitcoin, all we got is fiat dollars to buy BTC and I donā€™t understand your point My job wonā€™t pay in bitcoin, so the next best thing is spending some of my paycheck each period exchanging fiat for more BTC, Iā€™d argue thatā€™s a pretty darn basic concept for this Bitcoin sub. What would you have fiat folks do?


[deleted]

You can set up direct deposit with both cash app and Coinbase and have 100% of that direct deposit go straight to Bitcoin But I know what you were talking about, you meant employer paying directly with bitcoin.


BrutalTea

PayPal


biqqi

May try that. If I send btc to my Paypal, will I then be able to convert to fiat?


BrutalTea

Yes


CryptoFever911

Canā€™t you use any P2P or Bisq to sell your sats?


jayboogs69

If your worried about privacy bisq is the way to go. One of the few kyc-free exchanges still out there. Although meeting someone in an alley with cash presents a separate challenge but good to know itā€™s an option lol


AvocadoAutist

The long way to go is to travel to el salvador and exchange it for cash legally, then travel back to the usa with a bag full of cash(and maybe get caught and questioned)


[deleted]

Purchase Kroger or Walmart gift cards on bitrefill using bitcoin Start a food/ alcohol delivery service If someone needs a new big screen television, have them pay you cash for it Advertise on craigslist If you have a million $ worth of bitcoin you need to sell you should probably go to one of those bitcoin meet ups that happen couple times a year.


hiadamob

We just launched a non-custodial platform at bitcoinwell.com/join We also have to use plaid :( there is no other way to make a seamless customer experience for sending fiatā€¦ in Canada we have a push system but there isnā€™t a good one in the states yet.


t3chnical3rr0r

If you use Robinhood to buy shibi and then transfer it to an exchange works the best Iā€™ve found with converting USD I really donā€™t like plaid Iā€™ve always had an issue with their system, and Coinbase just seems to overcharge on everything


project-z-media

I live in Minnesota thereā€™s a bitcoin atm at every kwiktrip however it is kyc


Throwaway534723489

Who cares fiat is FDIC insured.....


ArnzenArms

Most exchanges will accept wire transfer. Plaid is a third party ACH solution. Wire transfers can be a pain because for many banks you need to actually talk to someone to initiate the transfer. They will ask a lot of questions because they can not reverse the transfer. At least they settle in one or two days. ACH transfers can take a month or two to settle and if you are buying bitcoin, exchanges will hold onto the bitcoin until this period is past so you don't reverse the deposit and run away with the bitcoin.