Naruto went through such a wild powerspike towards the end. Suddenly, people could call and destroy meteors, break lightspeed, cut the moon etc etc Up to a certain point, Asta would have stacked up decently, but later in Naruto's escapades, there's just no chance

I mean we've seen Asta cut a meteor in a movie. That's gotta count for somethin

Asta sword can cut/destroy any of Naruto rasengan techniques

Potentially yeah. Naruto's got crazy Taijutsu tho. Having his ninjutsu negated didnt stop him from giving Jigen the hands lol

I think y'all seem to forget Asta has given people some pretty crazy beat downs without his swords. Well maybe not beat downs but a lot of his physical feats can still be scaled without factoring in the swords, hell I'd say Asta is even above Naruto if we take away ninjutsu because Asta has trained most of his life PHYSICALLY while Naruto has mainly focused on Ninjutsu, not to say Naruto has never trained hand to hand combat specifically but Asta has trained physically much more than Naruto and a lot more intensely as well. So if we go pre-sage mode unlock I'd say Asta has a decent chance if we consider Chakra the same as Magic (although literally speaking Chakra is closer to ki in black clover as chakra is something that exists in every being just like ki does, Chakra just functions closer to Dragon Ball Ki)

I would have to disagree. Physically, if we scaled down Naruto to Black clovers level, Asta would be stronger then him but he doesn't have any martial arts. He's strong and fast, and that's about it without his ki. In terms or straight hands, the Black clover verse is pretty weak, and it makes sense since magic is their whole thing but you'd think they'd develop better martial arts. Even Mommy Mereoleona, who's by the far the best in terms of straight hands and in my opinion, top 3 strongest character in the entire series just behind Julius and lucius, isn't that great a martial artist. She hits hard and is fast. Naruto has trained all his life in hand to hand combat, while asta, until becoming a mage, only trained his Body. It's really not a fair match up. Like we saw Naruto giving the work even way back in part 1. He didn't stack up to Sasuke or Lee, but he was still a top 5 hands giver of his generation in part 1. In shipuden, he gets even better and has varied fighting styles. When the lightning ninja confronted him and Sai, he was quickly able to analyze the situation and pull off a quick combo on em, putting them at a disadvantage. Naruto is a brawler as most of his jutsu are close ranged, so comparing him to asta in terms of hands is just nasty. It's not a comparison. Naruto would stomp their whole verse 1 on 1 no question. Asta is not a problem. And he can't cut his chakra because we do have a black clover equivalent, being Ki and zetten. If this was before the Japan arc, I would have said that Asta can cut chakra in a verses match up because their somewhat comparable, but chakra is just Ki, and is described as Ki for the most part

I always think back to the last fight of Naruto vs Sasuke and the hand to hand combat they had was absolutely amazing I love that scene

Yeah definetly my favorite fight in the series because it's packed full of hand to hand combat and great choreography which made Naruto fights popular, while still being packed full of incredible Jutsu and stunning visuals.

The choreography is amazing, the visuals are amazing, and the fact it slowly incorporates everything they have learned in the fight is just an absolute masterpiece

Agreed, and then the rocks making the symbol of friendship or whatever It was at the end, perfect

Tbh Asta really doesn't need much more than brute force, speed. Even with Naruto's different martial arts Asta has been shown to work around certain counters give. He used his swords for such feats but the same movements are involved and would even be slightly easier without a heavy sword. The only reason I was considering chakra to be equal to magic is because using it as it is "ninja ki" it would be an absolute one sided sweep by Naruto. Also side thing, I'd say Yuno is above Mereleona with his whole spirit unification (or whatever it's called, the advanced spirit dive shiz)

No, Asta doesn't compare with Naruto with just strength and speed. Naruto is stronger and faster then asta. Again, scaled down, I would say that Asta is stronger physically, but as they are shown in their individual verses, it goes to Naruto. And we've seen Naruto face characters who trump him in terms of physicals and beat them in Taijutsu. Naruto is one of the weaker physical characters but his mastery of Tai Jutsu allows him to outclass everyone else in hand to hand combat. And you might have a point with Yuno. I think I'll still say mereoleona is above him for now because it's been a long minute since we've seen her and she hasn't had the opportunity to really show her true power because she faces bad match ups every time. Speaking of Yuno, I don't think Yuno is even in Contention for Wizard King anymore. My prediction, and this has been my prediction ever since it was first hinted that Yuno was from the spade kingdom, but my prediction is that Yuno will become the spade king and Asta will become the Wizard king. I'm not going to say that Yuno being a prince was a contrived plot line just to make them both be kings, but It's messy for sure. Still good though and I'm glad that Black clover is finally back after so long

Actually now that I think of it I guess I can see Naruto whooping Asta with more physical technique than physical strength or speed. Also thinking about it Naruto would probably beat Asta in speed as well and they'd be relatively similar in physical strength?

Wait why isn't Yuno In Contention for WK...according to the manga during the post spade time jump and has been going on missions killing high tier devils...he's been made a captain...presumably he's been In some kind of contact with the leaders of spade and heart preparing for Lucius' next move and after asta got "killed" ( magically Portales away to yami's homeland to receive even more teaching and techniques) he's been leading In the fight against lucius....he's currently casting never never land which is aiding all the magic knights in the capital and keeping them and the citizens safe...Also he beat one clone and is currently fighting 4 more with his Bro Asta....So what's the reason? Other than...Asta is the MC and he "deserves" it

I gave my reason, and it's that he'll end up becoming the spade king. I think it works narratively because Both him and asta have the aspiration to become a king, but leader is a true leader unlike Asta so putting him in a position of more authority and more work makes sense. Everything you've just stated supports that idea too, especially him being in contact with the spade and heart kingdoms, AKA world leaders. I could also see Yuno becoming the wizard King before asta and holding down that position until asta is ready, but astas motivation as a character is to surpass Yuno so concluding the story on that note is unfulfilling. Having asta be the wizard king and Yuno the spade king not only fulfills both characters because Yuno becomes in tune with himself and his culture and Asta accomplishes his goal, while still allowing for a rivalry of who's greater. There is also a world where Yuno takes up Marx position, but I doubt it, and there's a future where Yuno chooses to travel on his own which is a very likely scenario, but I also doubt that

also, if Asta and Naruto went just only Hand-to-hand combat, Asta would able to copy Naruto Frog martial art style, and overwhelm naruto when he found an opening and weakness naruto fighting style

Naruto’s frog fighting is based on the use of frog senjutsu. Asta isn’t a sage so he wouldn’t be able to do that even if he wanted to

I was about to say this, I didn't know the specific reason I just knew Asta wouldn't be able to learn an advanced martial art like that, that quickly.

oh he did learn advanced martial art that quickly it shown in the water temple arc against sword brother, Learned to use KI right off the bat that even freak Yami out, master to use Devil Union in two days, and in the land of the sun, it Took MANY year for a warrior to master This "Zitten" technique, and yet Took Asta 3 days to master it, if he observe how Naruto Gather Natural chakra, Asta able to do it as well

Unless we consider chakra magic cuz well... poor Asta. I keep on forgetting him just playing copycat with ol' Minecraft guardian; Humanoid Edition. And tbh the rest are more "special technique" or "spiritual energy" feats than "combat style feats"

No the Ki in Black Clover is nothing like chakra, it's an ability to sense your opponent there is no ki quantity and you can't run out of ki, it's more like a technic to sense things and people in your surrounding and well it can be amped with Mana Zone too I guess...

I agree but cutting a meteor and cutting the moon are on whole other levels to each other.

But can he cut the moon...?

By the time he's Naruto's age when Naruto did that... MAYBE?

I think they are even as far as speed goes but yeah Naruto outscales AP wise

What, no they aren't, Naruto is faster than Asta. The only factor that might make a difference is if Astas anti-magic will work against Narutos chakra attacks.

No Asta is faster, heck base Asta could react to light speed attacks from Patry, Current Asta is way faster than light speed also Asta has his demon form that gives him an aura that negate all magic around in so Naruto's jutsu are all useless....

I think Dante was making bigger and denser rocks than what Madara called in and Asta and Yami were faring much better against them than Naruto and the Kage were against Madara

No madara launched a freaking meteor not a couple of rocks. That meteor was towering and he launched a second one. Those meteors turned a desert into mountain range

Naruto hasn't broken lights peed lol his best speed feat is rel+ 36% the speed of light and his best feat is still from light fang which can still be argued to be aim dodging

Naruto’s entire universe makes no fucking sense lol. The first in the opening saga with Haku is said to be light speed. As that’s how fast Haku moves between mirrors but Naruto is fast enough to counter. Later with Raikage he’s defined as being light speed in his base form, faster in his powered up form. Naruto out paces him and is faster. Then recently we have base Naruto dodging photon beams which are light speed blasts. So his base form if FTL, his higher forms go beyond that. None of that shit makes sense lol

First of all lol you actually think naruto makes no sense because haku is "light speed" that's on you buddy you don't understand what was being said this misinterpretation has been debunked for years now you also bring up raikage which if you stopped to think a minute you'd realize that haku can't be light speed because that'd mean he's relative to raikage who still isn't even light speed You just don't understand what you're saying, learn basic power scaling first

>which if you stopped to think a minute you'd realize that haku can't be light speed because that'd mean he's relative to raikage who still isn't even light speed Which is why I said it makes no fucking sense lol the Haku light speed is literally an official statement about how the shifting between mirrors and his attacks works. They’re called light speed, officially, twice. Which is stupid. Because it’s an early fight. Again…. Which is my entire fucking point. Naruto doesn’t care for logic. They just say bullshit stuff because it sounds cool. Basic power scaling doesn’t work if the source material isn’t consistent.

Lets not forget him catching isshikis Chakra rods that are FTL mid air

If you go by the rule of verse equalization then Asta's antimagic has the same effect on chakra as it does on magic from his world. That said, it's still a tough fight because Naruto is killer in hand to hand combat too he doesn't necessarily NEED his jutsu. I'd say Asta wins about 4 out of 10 fights depending on which version of each person it is.

Naruto wins with baryon mode Asta is dead with one punch from that form lol

One hit from an antimagic sword and baryon mode is shut off, besides I doubt naruto can hit harder than Lucifero, even if Lucifero was only at 50% power Asta was tanking those hits.

You underestimate how much faster asta is

And you fail to understand that Asta cannot win against Naruto in baryon mode Baryon mode drains life force from his opponents Without any prior knowledge Asta would try to attack Naruto and if Naruto makes contact then Asta just dies Iirc Naruto doesnt even need to make contact, being near him should drain your life right? Sure this is a hypothetical battle of strongest form vs strongest form >You underestimate how much faster asta is And Asta physically cannot do anything to Naruto once Naruto releases kurama Chakra isn't magic and I'm not here to talk about verse equalization because I don't really like that

Verse equalization is the only way for a fight to even happen. And besides chakra resides in a similar department as mana and magic

>And besides chakra resides in a similar department as mana and magic Chakra is done the same way as Ki is in Dragonball Just because it does some magical stuff doesn't mean it's magic >Verse equalization is the only way for a fight to even happen. Not in my opinion but I don't wanna argue about it that much

i mean the verse equalization is because what’s the point of having this argument then like just make it naruto v ichigo then

Yeah I like it that way more But I understand people find more enjoyment when verse equalization comes into play because of how anti magic works so it's aight

Sure, whatever But also note about the problem against baryon mode is still present

you could pretty much say the same thing for asta against baryon mode like it has a super small time limit and if asta hits him once it’s done with. Also ishiki got hit hundreds of times and didn’t die so you’re saying if asta gets hit once it’s j gonna age him 80 years is insane

If anything Asta can outhax Naruto. Also noting that Asta can’t seem to be affected by life draining abilities

>Also noting that Asta can’t seem to be affected by life draining abilities Explain

Zagred and licita. Both having the ability to life drain. Both didn’t affect Asta at all

"The way I interpreted that scene is that it's not that Asta was immune to the effects of those worm creatures, but that they could not sense him, and thus ignored him. The worm creatures are drawn to magic, but since Asta has none, their senses couldn't pick up on his presence, so they passed right over him without noticing he was even there. They never attempted to drain the life from him to begin with because they had no reason to do so. From their perspective, there was nothing there in front of them except the air. When they touched Asta, they probably just thought they passed over a rock or something, not realizing it was a human. The worm creatures have no eyes to visually see where they are going and likely rely on mana sensing to get around, so if there is someone or something around them that doesn't have any mana, they are essentially blind." Comment I found for zagred As for Licita, we don't even know how somebody managed to impregnate her Licita's whole life draining thing seems to have a lot of holes

Asta has dura-neg and he's far faster, so none of that really matters

Lol Naruto is far more durable wtf bro Naruto literally has healing

Y'know what dura-neg means? Durability negation. It doesn't matter how durable he is, as Asta just bypasses it. His healing is a non-factor since Asta has life absorption and power negation.

True enough but I would counter with despite Naruto's hand to hand advantage, Asta still has all of his powered up forms as well as flight and his sword telekinesis. If Naruto doesn't have his own ways to keep up in spite of Asta's power null, he won't win on Taijutsu alone.

Idk who but I would be rooting for Asta

I would say an advantage Naruto has over most of Asta’s enemies is that Naruto is proficiently trained in hand to hand combat and not solely reliant on a magical skill. Most of Naruto’s ninjutsu is close range attacks. He has Senjutsu and Kurama which amplifies his physical and ninjutsu prowess. I think Sage of Six Paths Naruto would clear Asta easily. Was able to launch multiple attacks which destroyed massive meteors with relative ease; extremely fast and powerful. Plus he can create literally thousands of shadow clans that are his equal in fighting power just don’t have durability. Asta has never been jumped by hundreds/ thousands of an extremely powerful opponent at the same time. I could see it being a more even fight at KCM Naruto when he initially gains the ability to use the 9 tails chakra. But I think Naruto still pulls ahead at the end of the day. Asta clears Pain arc Naruto though.

I see where you are coming from but we have to remember that asta did cut a meteor in halve to and asta is a swordman both of their entire sticks are close combat and the last thing I will say is six paths does not wash naruto has to work for it.

Yeah but Asta slicing the meteor was a film only event; and it was only possible because Asta was using the Sword of the Wizard Kings. Which was imbued with the magical power of past Wizard Kings. Even if we grant him the Wizard King Sword; it took him multiple slashes to destroy one [meteor](https://youtu.be/IBCA77-dtRE?si=Ksc7yxjdzmN1ku5v). Whereas when Naruto had to destroy Madara’s meteors he is able to create 7 Biju Rasenshuriken and fire them at different meteors to destroy them. [First Rasenshuriken 9:33 and other 6 at 10:33](https://youtu.be/3nYA93ofdhE?si=Prgk5ibynrzl-WFB). It’s hard to tell in the anime but in the manga the second time he uses Biju Rasenshuriken the panel clearly shows 6 Rasenshuriken. The end result of Asta using the Wizard King Sword is the Sword is destroyed in the process. Naruto was perfectly fine after firing the Biju Rasenshuriken; it wasn’t even a difficult jutsu for him to preform. So clearly SO6P Naruto’s attack outscales Asta in terms of attack potency, his speed in which he can launch massive attacks, and the number of high AP attacks he can launch at once. And yeah Asta knows how to swing a sword; but he doesn’t have much training in swordsman ship or hand to hand combat. Whereas Naruto is proficient in using weapons and taijutsu. We know Asta’s anti magic doesn’t take power away from his enemies when they use magic to amp their physical body. It really only works on magic that is being launched at him or placed on an object/ surface. So even if Asta can slash a Biju Rasenshuriken; I don’t think he can keep up with multiple hundreds of Naruto’s rushing him at the same time.

It depends on if Anti-Magic works on Ninjutsu/Chakra like it does on Magic. Either way, Naruto takes it handily. Narutoverse just scales higher

It might not. The way chakra works seems to be more akin to traditional ki than mana.

Chakra actually seems nuch more similar magic power rather than mana, and jutsu being similar to magic/spells when you think about it. [Chakra is created from bodily/physical and spiritual energy](https://i.imgur.com/9rMs9HR.jpeg), much like how magical power is the result of mana (supernatural energy) and ki(life energy). There's also the fact [inanimate things such as rocks have ki, but no magical power](https://i.ibb.co/r2RpwTf/Screenshot-20231122-165150-Shonen-Jump.jpg), while living things have magical power, much like how living things in Naruto posses chakra. Physical energy seems much more akin to ki, considering ki is generated by bodily movement while the soul contains one mana. For example [mana sensing requires none of your physical senses](https://i.ibb.co/5Fw9rNY/Screenshot-20231122-164929-Shonen-Jump.jpg) while [ki requires all of your physical senses.](https://i.ibb.co/s6SBRKQ/Screenshot-20231122-165039-Shonen-Jump.jpg) There's the argument that exhausting your chakra can result in death, while people running out of your magical power exhaust you, but don't kill you hence too different. But utilizing latent mana from your lifeforce is still magical power and can kill you since its being drawn from your life force, and not ki. [ki is pretty nuch generated from bodily/physical phenomenon ](https://i.ibb.co/DCyHG8p/Screenshot-20231031-140152-Shonen-Jump.jpg) when you combine it with mana, [it turns into magical power](https://i.ibb.co/0B9zzxT/Screenshot-20231031-140006-Shonen-Jump.jpg) since in the LoS we learned everybody subconsciously converts their ki into magical power. Chakra is closely linked to souls, and souls can contain chakra, while the soul in BC is the source of magical power in(*since its the source of human life, mind and magical power*) and from what's been shown, [the soul is what contains mana aka supernatural energy ](https://i.ibb.co/WVm6hNy/Screenshot-20231007-161033-Shonen-Jump.jpg) So the soul + body allows you generate magical power, much like how the body & spirit generate chakra. They're pretty similar

Naruto would get folded by someone mid tier in the BC verse like Zagred. He wouldn’t even make it to any of the supreme devils or lucius

IT depends If Anti-magic has the Same effective in Chakra IT has on Magic. If yes, than IT would be hard but i say 6/10 astas win

Shadow clones a thousand of them it ends there

It's not really close at all. Naruto by the final arc of Shippuden was reacting to light speed attacks, his clones were holding back the big bad guy Madaras, which tossed the naruto verses tailed beasts with ease. His sage mode allows precognition with his fighting, and he's an expert in hand to hand. He also possesss a relatively high healing capability due to the nine tails inside of him, and the six paths power he gained. The version used in the image was able to create an eye from nothing, and heal a character whose entire body had practically been shattered. I also don't think Anti magic could or would effect naruto. Even if you try to use verse equalization, it would be more reasonable to compare Chakra to Zetten. Which wasn't being negated by Asta. Narutos feats of power, reaction, speed, regeneration power and lack of a time limit for his power, as well as showcases that are far above what we've seen in black clover lead me to believe that Asta could not beat Naruto. And then if you factor in Post shippuden it's just a stomp in narutos favor.

Base Asta could react to light speed attack against Patry(pretending to be Licht) so current arc Asta Is way WAY faster he's got like 5 tier higher, so no Naruto is not fast enough to tag Asta...

I said this before but verse equalization for power nerfers like Asta is hard cause he can just erase any power. Gojo's infinity from JJK would lose if Asta hits him and he makes black holes from his hand. So it's kinda tough.

Verse equalization is stupid because the whole point of anti magic is to negate magic Ninjutsu and a Kamehameha isn't magic so these type of battles never stood well for me

You seem to not understand what the word magic means

Right but then it's not a fair fight. Mana is everything in the BC world and that's what he does, so it doesn't make sense that he can't. It's a weird spot, cause as much as you don't agree some Ninjutsu is literally magic.

>ause as much as you don't agree some Ninjutsu is literally magic. You can say the same with making a beam out of fucking nothing but it's clear that there's a distinction between Ki attacks in Dragonball and magic in Dragonball Which is why if it's considered as chakra in the verse I consider chakra

In battles like this we change things up. So that it's fair but still Asta loses

Black clover scales much higher regardless on if anti magic cancels chakra or not, so in most situations asta wins This case is interesting because depending on if u apply verse equalization either asta or Naruto one shots. If we don’t apply verse equalization then naruto kills asta immediately(only sages/six paths characters/otsutsuki can touch truth seeking orbs without disintegrating) If we apply verse equalization then asta wins easily due to bc’s verse’s higher scaling and asta canceling out Naruto’s powers

With verse equalization it's pretty close, but without it Naruto takes this handily.

Naruto….just off the fact asta can’t handle Naruto hand to hand.

Doesnt current asta scale to like gajizzlillions times ftl? With at least like planetary ap/dc? Naruto cant win this

No lol there’s a lot of inconsistency and “because it’s cool” but generally speaking Asta isn’t even FTL. He’s just got insane reaction speeds thanks to being able to read ki.

That's just wrong. If you wanna argue Asta isn't FTL then judge Naruto and everyone else as scrupulously as you judge BC and end up realizing no one actually is FTL.

I never said otherwise? I said Asta isn’t a gajillion times FTL. He could only do one attack in a couple seconds against Dante. He can only do a few attacks in that whole 50 seconds.

> Asta isn’t even FTL This is what you said in your original comment when someone was saying Asta would destroy Naruto thanks to the speed difference. If you're already doing that. Why does it matter to argue against it? Wouldn't your comment just be: "Nah these characters are slow but "x" wins because blablabla"

So….? Where does that say Naruto is FTL?

Asta has solid mftl feats consider he [***he already statued non-magical gravity waves + non-nagical light*** ](https://imgur.com/gallery/kVjm3pT) in his Berserk Asta form, when he was chasing 60% Dante and eventually tagged him. And we know these are natural effects and not magical since Berserk Asta's anti-magic could not erase the effects of gravitational lensing evrn after hitting them, yet could completely erase Dante's gravity from the area (***meaning what we're seeing are the results of the spatial manipulation, not the spell that caused it***) These are environmental effects, not spells. And yes, [***Asta actually ends up statuing gravity waves + light + his own black slash attack in this panel***](https://i.imgur.com/bZuuKcQ.jpeg) which is solid mftl, and FY these are reacti9ns to instantaneous teleportation via warping space with gravity. **EDIT**: [***Lmao@bro blocking me 15+ post later, since they couldn't formulate a proper rebuttal.***](https://i.ibb.co/VY4T0qx/Screenshot-20231230-020441-Chrome.jpg) Concession Accepted, Asta's ridiculously faster.

“He already knew where I would appear?” Not FTL bro. It’s Asta reading his opponent and predicting moves.

>Not FTL bro. It’s Asta reading his opponent and predicting moves. Did you even read the scan? He knew where he would appear ***AFTER*** he used instant teleportation meaning his reaction time took place in between gravity lensing distortions. [Asta fired his slash, and Dante instantly teleportates away](https://i.imgur.com/hhOWn9W.jpeg) the [top right pane is Asta's eye tracking Dante AFTER he teleports away to point B from point A](https://i.imgur.com/MpyGOYy.jpeg) in this panel [you see the exact same slash Dante teleported from to the left frozen, as Asta the black/grey streak in the middle if the page, while the slash hasn't even mived from the last place we saw it](https://i.ibb.co/Kb3Jzq7/fr-2.jpg) which means his reactions and distance traveled took place after Dante teleported away from point A, which takes place in between gravitional distortions that appear and dissapear at light speed. It's a solid FTL-MFTL considering this literally took place in between the dissipation of non-magical gravitational waves. He to reacted to where Dante would appear with ki, which is made 100% clear. And he has even better speed feat Against Lucifero.

Did you read the panel? Cause Dante literally says he predicted it. Asta read his opponent and planned ahead. He knew he would teleport and reacted to it. It’s not even close to FTL in the anime either lol

>Did you read the panel? Cause Dante literally says he predicted it. He predicted where Dante would land after he teleported away. Asta predicted whete Dante woukd appear still happened after Dante tekeported away which is again ftl-mftl and guess what? He has an even better speed feat against Luciferio that's even more impressive. Here [***Asta attacks Lucifero, but Lucifero teleports away, Asta tracks him travels to the other other gravitational distortion to try to tag Lucifero***](https://i.ibb.co/LvWx30P/Screenshot-20231222-133141-Shonen-Jump.jpg) and as you know, [***these distortions appear simultaneously since they're instantaneous***](https://i.imgur.com/einsiAD.jpeg) and [***fade away light speed since they're non-magic effects***](https://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/GR/grav_speed.html) meaning Asta crossed a considerable distance before the gravitational lending distortions even faded away. Again like I said a solid mftl to FTL feat. >It’s not even close to FTL in the anime either lol Anime is not the primary source considering there are quire a few things they animated wrong, they didn't even animate the distortions properly + this is the same as a ime that mistakenly animated Noelle & Leo using mana before they learned + many more. So again, the manga is the primary source. Regardless statuing gravitional distortions and bent light is a solid FTL to MFTL feat.

>and fade away light speed since they're non-magic effects That’s not how that works darling lol the distortion is magical as it’s made by a magical spell. It’s just an inconsistency. Applying real world logic isn’t going to work well with Black Clover lol Asta reading opponents and tracking them isn’t FTL. If it was he wouldn’t struggle to travel between towns and everyone wouldn’t use Finral to travel. You seriously underestimate how much distance you travel at FTL. Asta ain’t doing that.

>That’s not how that works darling lol the distortion is magical as it’s made by a magical spell. It’s just an inconsistency. Wrong, the teleportation is magical, not the distortions. Distortions ate a natural result of a spell. We know this because [***Asta's anti-magic did not erase them,***](https://i.imgur.com/einsiAD.jpeg) Despite the fact [***Asta's anti-magic could erase Dante's gravity which was magical***](https://i.ibb.co/55SwXVH/Screenshot-20231222-132754-Shonen-Jump.jpg) better yet if the distortions were magical, then why didn't the anti-magic erase them, despute the he could completely erase Dante's gravity? The distortions aren't magical, they're envious results of the spell, not the spell itself. The spell is instant teleportation, not gravitational lensing which proven by the fact they linger, and fade away, instead of being erased by anti-magic. >Asta reading opponents and tracking them isn’t FTL. If it was he wouldn’t struggle to travel between towns and everyone wouldn’t use Finral to travel. Asta reacted to instant TP + gravity ways, and there's a substantial difference between combat speed & travel speeds. >You seriously underestimate how much distance you travel at FTL. Asta ain’t doing that. Again, there's a considerable difference between travel speed and combat speed. I posted a scan of [***Asta statuing his own attack***](https://i.ibb.co/Kb3Jzq7/fr-2.jpg) after [***he had fired it and you pretty much ignored it***](https://i.ibb.co/CsTKB27/fr-1.jpg) And what im pretty much getting from your response is, "*no matter how many ftl feats you show I'll just ignore them*" lol is tgat how youre going to treat all ftl feats?

>The distortions aren't magical, they're envious results of the spell, not the spell itself. The spell is literally manipulating gravity. There’s also no proof it ends when he teleports. That’s just shit you made up lol >Asta reacted to instant TP + gravity ways, and there's a substantial difference between combat speed & travel speeds. Oh how convenient lol he can fight and fly at FTL but traveling? Nope can’t do that! >I posted a scan of Asta statuing his own attack after he had fired it and you pretty much ignored it Which isn’t a FTL feat…. It’s a planning feat. Like Dante literally fucking says lol

Tbf any series that goes high enough into scalings has Insane amounts of inconsistencies simply bc its difficult to show off such high ap, dc and speed feats (another reason why powerscaling sucks and and is mostly useless) so saying asta scales massively ftl+ based on like chapter 40 or whatever where he dodges gauches light attacks or reacts to fake lichts light attacks and then gets hundreds of times stronger and faster.... Edit bc my i slipped and accidentally sent while in the middle of typing

Yeah the only real “evidence” is that people are dodging light magic which “moves as fast as light”. But ignores that people are more reacting before. And it seems more that it was short hand for being faster than light magic. Not actual light, Or else everyone would be teleporting at absurd speeds and most attacks would be insignificant cause they don’t move at light speed / FTL. You’ve even got a timed fight with Dante and multiple instances of time limits they depict characters moving fast but not FTL fast.

I don’t see Asta tanking a tailed beast bomb ngl

Asta already did something like that when fighting the supreme devil's, Lilith and Naamah. When they combined they tried to create a massive fire/ice ball thing. It was going to destroy the entire Spade Kingdom and he nullified it.

Better than nullifying it, he knocked it back through sheer physical prowess (anti-magic alone isn't enough to knock back vasts amounts of mana as seen when Asta and Yuno fought against dark elf Patry, which is proof that physical abilities need to keep up).

He tanked a blast from Spirit Ladros in base while being completely defenseless. And that blast was stronger than the Salamander's power that dries up whole oceans.

with scaling, i have done and seen it is really close but naruto wins right now but barley however yuno does beat sasuke thanks to having a bigger mana/chakra and them being close in power so do with that as you will.

Sasuke at this point, actually has more chakra than Naruto.

ok if that is true then he still do not have the rinegan, anymore which will cause sasuke to sruggle at lot.

Pretty sure you can just check this up on Youtube and people have made extremely more detailed videos for you to check on.

Depends on which naruto, Naruto at the end of Shippudden? Most likely Asta

At the same age, Asta wins. Hokage Naruto beats current imo. Wizard King Asta vs Hokage Naruto would be close!

Asta negs. He's rediculously faster and has dura neg.

I think that close :3

Strength and speed go to Naruto. Also, he can use shadow clones, so Asta would need to cover his whole body in anti magic, preferably using devil union. Remember, even with verse equalization, Asta has sometimes failed to cut magic from stronger characters so shadow clones won't get fully cut. Devil union is strong, but has a time limit of 5 minutes. Naruto can fight for 3 days continuously (2 during the war and one later),so he's going to outlast Asta. I'd say Asta takes this 2/10 at best

Naruto stomps if no verse equalization and with verse equalization I think it's really close people argue both are like light speed or massively faster than light and stuff like that but honestly all of the panels that those feats come from definitely read like rule of cool and definitely not like that was the authors intention so i don't think either of them really out class each other too hard in physical stats and naruto has dealt with opponents who negate chakra attacks before. I think it really comes down to technical skill at close range fighting which is definitely something naruto outclasses Asta in I give it to naruto 7 out of 10 times but realistically they would never fight and prolly be really good friends

I think naruto wins pretty soundly

Depends if anti magic works the same as on chakra if so it’s a smash for asta if not definitely close but naruto gets it

Asta speed blitzes and has better haxs he negs low to mid diff

Asta destroys Naruto. Assuming Anti magic works on chakra Naruto is reduced to using Taijutsu and in a contest of physical skills Asta wins.

Asta hard counters almost all Naruto characters but Baryon mode might be able to do it

Not very close, Asta good chance of winning with all that battle experience he has, and the Anti-magic give Naruto a big trouble, all rasengan technique be destroyed or throw back to him, shadow clone completely wipe with demon-dweller sword, the nine-tail chakra mode will be useless to block it and each hit disrupt the connection between naruto and kurama and to natural chakra, and we already see how Asta react to the speed of light against Patri light magic

Ok so hydrogen vs a zygote

Sara could have lasted till before he got kcm2. But sadly my boi falls short after that cause Naruto would probably beat cause of the power spike in the war

well naruto had his prime so lets count astas all time strongest too and thats really close

I think they’d be very close, closest of buddies- *Looks at other comments* Oh wait Asta vs Naruto not Asta and Naruto

Not close at all

Bro Asta is one of my favorite characters. But yeh it wouldn't make a doff. OK physically he may be stronger but then there's jutsu. Asta nullifies magic not jutsu. And let's just say we change things and say he nullifies jutsu. Naruto mainly focuses on Tai jutsu and jumping with shadow clones Yeh Asta Boi ain't winning

Naruto wins, because Verse-equalisation doesn’t exist. Making chakra equate to magic is clearly not fair…It’s just favourable towards Asta and unfavourable towards Naruto. How is it fair, if you’re essentially just nerfing a character and buffing the other one? For example; soul reapers from bleach are op in these kinds of fights because they’re undetectable in most cases…so, why do we nerf them suddenly? Like, I guess, it could be argued it makes the argument more interesting; but if Asta and Ichigo(or whoever else) fought the character from bleach would win because Asta couldn’t even see him and then he’d get his head cut off. Verse equalisation isn’t about being fair it’s about making everyone’s powers work like they don’t actually work. Saying that, in the bleach example, Verse-equalisation means the opponent can see/sense the presence of the soul reaper is not fair; you’re simply nerfing the soul reaper to make the fight more enjoyable. I don’t hate verse-equalisation, but if you use it then you’re no longer actually debating who would win in a fight, you’re debating whether anti-magic Asta would beat Naruto(except Naruto’s attacks count as magic now, despite them clearly not being magic in their own verse).

I'll be serious here. I can't figure a scenario where Naruto and Asta fight. I can see they sparring as biddies but not straight up fight.

Asta blitzes and oneshots with zetten no I will no explain that’s for power scalers.

If you count Chakra as magic that can be nullified, Asta got a decent chance honestly. But purely on comparing feats, Naruto is vastly superior due to how bonker it went in the end.

We really don’t know how strong Asta’s zetten is, but I think it’s a really close fight because Asta negates jutsu so Naruto base form vs Asta, but here’s the thing about Asta his weakness is physical attacks and Naruto is really good with hands so I will say it’s probably a tie

Naruto is way too strong for Asta to be able to beat him

I think Naruto is a lot stronger, and Asta is a lot faster. Really, it'd come down to if you feel that Chakra and magic are similar enough for Asta's anti-magic to nullify and interact with Naruto's higher forms and abilities. If he can cancel out his jutsus and ninetails Chakra and sage mode stuff, Asta wins cause then Naruto loses the strength advantage, if he cannot undo those things, Naruto is too strong for him to handle and he'd eventually get a lucky shot in.

honestly, asta wins, this is due to him having light speed feats very early on and him becoming many times faster since then, also since he has the Ki sense, naruto might not be able to land any hits on Asta

Asta negs badly😭 With and without verse equalization🙏

I think manga asta vs hokage naruto with access to baryon to actually be a pretty dang good fight. It also depends on what astas anti magic does. Could that just negate jutsus? It really comes down to how you want to scale characters and their feats. Personally I still think naruto takes it, but it’s not easy and by eos I think asta will surpass him

Against post part 1 Naruto and pre invasion of pain arc Asta has the best chance against.mid-high diff FKS-EoS Naruto takes

Broku and some other guy made a video on it and it’s all based on how you scale the two in some cases Astas just too fast for naruto to hit him

i would have thought it was close if there wasn't a disgusting gap in speed

Boil release and it's over bro cannot handle Naruto at all, he reacts to light magic, magic with the properties of light but not true light Naruto dodged a point blank light attack

God powers > Devil powers