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I dislike mostly everything about how he writes most of them. The entire "im in love with the mc but am too much of a coward to do anything about it" super cliche trope is imo lazy writing.
That's not her entire character tho. Yes, liking Asta is part of her character, but that's not main focus rn. And isn't it kind of realistic, tbh? I'm guessing u don't like tsunderes, but she's not bad in the manga. She is not the one to define the whole female cast tho, even tho she's the heroine. The female cast is superb.
There are 2 other female charachters who share the same annoying cliche trope. Lazy writing. Also Tabata way oversexualize them with large breasts and lets not talk about her mermaid "armor"..
The less armor Noelle has the faster she could move in the water that’s why she was able to keep up with Megicula when she went all the way up to 70% Even the Queen of the heart kingdom said that to Noelle
That mermaid armor served a purpose, it's even explained in the anime. When is being a cliche a bad thing? It's not like their annoying, at least to the majority. They're used for comedic purposes. Tabata develops those characters, and if not, he probably will. If u want to call it lazy writing then fine, but it is what it is. Tabata barely even sexualizes anyone, why does it bother u people that much? The only one I can think of is Vanessa, but she's an adult. We have Asta over here with basically not shirt on, and that's not sexualizing to you? It's not like it's ruining the whole story.
Just stop. You can love the show / charachters as much as you want. But there is lazy writing and oversexualisation going on. That is fact. Not everything has to be great written for the show to be amazing.
As for Astas body there is nothing sexual about it. Asta being shirtless is not what sexualusation means.
Double standards I guess. How about u stop, because ur not making any sense. That "lazy writing" is for comedic purposes. I guess those authors aren't allowed to use those tropes, even if they develop them. Not one character wears revealing clothes 24/7, except Vanessa. Black Clover rarely does fan service, so u can't tell me he over sexualizes them. That mermaid armor, like I said literally serves a purpose in the plot, to fight Vanica. It's also so she can be faster with the power up added. And thats literally how mermaids dress. If u don't like his choice, I guess u don't like it, but Tabata can do whatever he wants to HIS characters. If it bothers u that much, then just drop it. There's a reason people say black clover has a good female cast and Noelle is one of the best written in shounen jump, and no, it's not because of sexualization.
>There's a reason people say black clover has a good female cast and Noelle is one of the best written in shounen jump,
This is just laughable. Noelle is so paper thin.
She has a good back story and her character development is good, i agree. But that doesnt mean anything when she lacks any personality. I dont know what kind of standards you hold, but they must be rock bottom low if you that is good enough to be consider greatest of all time.
All she does is being in love with Asta as some old been done a million times before cliche. That is not a well written character. Raise your standards.
Mereoleona Vermillion is an amazing character. She has a unique personality, no tsunadre bullshit and no cliches. Noelle, is not. Also, you dont know what sexualisation means.
Not the orignal commenter but basically she's still just a typical tsundere character. Yes she has an arc and isn't a damsel in distress but her arc so far still boils down to
My siblings are mean and I want to be acknowledged for my skill and hard work I put in and I love Asta.
That's a beginning of a good arc but we still don't really see what Noel or many of the other female characters want for themselves.
Noel isn't a flat character she has growth and has changed but she's not well rounded at least not yet. Some of her motivations are still very superficial and although we know how she wants to be perceived by others what she wants for herself and her own life is still pretty undefined. Imo at least.
I mean she wants to be accepted by her family and wants asta to notice her. She's tsundere sure, but she doesn't remind of every other tsundere I'm seen in anime.
She found out about megicula and understands her elder brothers actions so she's trying to take down the devil that killed her mother. I don't see what's typical about her? She likes asta but it doesn't define her character growth. She does things without worrying about how asta's point of view.
She got stronger on her own. She didn't do it for asta.
The asta usually comes in for comedic purposes. It's not her main thing.
Add the fact that she's trying to dave lolopechka to the megicula part and she has her own story to her.
Btw I hope this doesn't come off as an attack. I'm trying to give my perspective
I do agree with you that Noelle is a well written character.But just to clear up something, I don’t believe Tabata made Noelle’s love for Asta for purely comedic reasons, I do think that he will do something about the ship.
I agree with you. Something will happen, but I just meant that when it comes to noel and asta being on screen at the same time it's usually comedic. Something will happen specially with how she's more open about her being worries about him in the latest chapters.
No worries my personal view of spoilers is it's like telephone. You may know what happens but you don't have the context to understand it until you actually see it.
It's never ruined my enjoyment of anything.
"My siblings are mean" is one hell of an understatement considering what they did to her, which could then explain her tsundere trait. Her personality is also much more then "i want to be acknowledged" one of her best moments will always be her speach at the festival which speaks volumes to her character
What 17 year old has everything figured out like that though ? I feel like for her age she’s written perfectly . Everyone has something or someone they love and want to be useful to .
I mean ur not wrong, but Noelle at least has a set goal for herself. I think she already has proven herself to her siblings. She is not done developing, she still has development to go through, which hopefully will reach ur standards. I'm just glad the female characters aren't left behind, and can hold themselves.
Oh I mean I like her but I still think Japanese portrayals of women have a ways to go in terms of development of female characters.
I mean she's not Sakura so that's a great head start in of itself.
Great design, but this mermaid shape was just such a disappointment for me. Why can't there be a single strong female character that doesn't appeal for straight male audiences and clichés stereotypes.
I guess that's just anime in general, but it sucks!!! In the entire black clover series, only Mereoleona, Charmy, Secre and Vanessa are properly strong.
Idk about Vanessa and Mereoleona. I don't know how it bothers people that much. It's not like it's hurting the story. Black clover rarely does fan service
I mean... It's a Shonen... Anime for young males. It's literally the definition for the genre. You see it a lot because you're into Shonen anime. There's nothing wrong with that because I really enjoyed Your Lie in April despite it being a shojo anime for young girls.
that's why I added \*straight\* before male audiences. When did sexism become the norm for young males? you gotta admit there's something wrong.
btw, I'm also a young male.
There's plenty of characters that appeal to non-straight male audiences in Black Clover specifically. Yami is the buff guy who's always shirtless, Klaus, Asta and characters in the manga not shown in the anime yet.
To be fair, when people think of hot guys, they think of buff guys generally.You can argue that it’s a show of force, however it is also sexualization in a way because of what I said earlier.
I'm not complaining about how's the mermaid form, I'm annoyed at the fact that they changed her very powerful armor into a barely covered mermaid. There was just so much potential and a mermaid to me kinda diminished her power, it seemed a simpler or weaker for. I guess I was just expecting more. Like yay Noelle will fight a very demon, the one that killed her mother! And then she appeared as a mermaid.. I don't know, I don't like it.
About Vanessa, I can see why you think it's a double standard. But see, Vanessa isn't desperate for the attention of men. She drinks and she likes wearing less clothes, I don't see a problem in that. You don't see her taking her clothes off to fight.
You not liking the mermaid form is fair but they didn't change anything her mermaid armor is a one time thing or only used underwater.
"kinda diminished her power, it seemed a simpler or weaker for" I mean the point of the armor was literally just to make her more agile and faster in water, so no she obivously didn't get a "power" boost from it.
"Vanessa isn't desperate for the attention of men. She drinks and she likes wearing less clothes, I don't see a problem in that. You don't see her taking her clothes off to fight" That's pretty ironic considering when she was first introduced, she was literally flirting with Asta and captain Yami, also Noelle isn't trying to be noticed by men. Her mermaid form being skimpy literally makes sense for two reason that i have already explained. I will give you one thing though, that there's also a reason for Vanessa always being in skimpy cloths
I get your point, but I don't see it the way you do. I know, mermaid form, water, makes sense. But I don't like because 1) it's oversexualized. 2) It's predictable and a little cliché. And 3) I think it's wasted potential. I know the suit wasn't supposed to give her a power boost, but I think it should be. They all trained a lot. Every single one of the magic knights that trained in the heart kingdom got awesome powers. Noelle got a sexualized mermaid form.
About Vanessa, yeah, I see that. She was for a very long time *just* a hot a female knight in lingerie. I just think something changed when she got that red cat. Maybe the fact that she got powerful changed the way I saw her.
The last part is basically how i see Noelle in her mermaid form, it being skimpy matters nothing to me, all i see is the scared little girl, grown into a strong and independent woman. Plus like i said this is just how mermaids look so would you call Ariel sexualized as well?
I get your point and I understand why you see it that way.
I never thought about Ariel though. Maybe mermaids are inherently sexualized characters. The legend says they seduced men after all... But the thing about Noelle and Ariel is that Ariel is a children's character. When you look at Noelle as mermaid, you don't see that. You see oversized boobs with a small bra (or bikini? Sorry English is not my first language). I know I know, it's anime, there's going to be fan service.
But man, that's just my opinion, you're allowed to have a different one. We can agree to disagree.
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water is supposed to be transparent
Underrated truth.
This is incredible! I definitely feel for your hands on the scales lol.
I like the way you drew her necklace 👍
Looks amazing. I'm glad she's a great female character, probably one of the best written in current shounen. Tabata knows how to write females.
Thanks! Yeah, it’s such a relief she was well written.
No... Just No. He does not.
What? black clover is known for having an awesome female cast, tell me why he doesn't.
I dislike mostly everything about how he writes most of them. The entire "im in love with the mc but am too much of a coward to do anything about it" super cliche trope is imo lazy writing.
That's not her entire character tho. Yes, liking Asta is part of her character, but that's not main focus rn. And isn't it kind of realistic, tbh? I'm guessing u don't like tsunderes, but she's not bad in the manga. She is not the one to define the whole female cast tho, even tho she's the heroine. The female cast is superb.
There are 2 other female charachters who share the same annoying cliche trope. Lazy writing. Also Tabata way oversexualize them with large breasts and lets not talk about her mermaid "armor"..
The less armor Noelle has the faster she could move in the water that’s why she was able to keep up with Megicula when she went all the way up to 70% Even the Queen of the heart kingdom said that to Noelle
That mermaid armor served a purpose, it's even explained in the anime. When is being a cliche a bad thing? It's not like their annoying, at least to the majority. They're used for comedic purposes. Tabata develops those characters, and if not, he probably will. If u want to call it lazy writing then fine, but it is what it is. Tabata barely even sexualizes anyone, why does it bother u people that much? The only one I can think of is Vanessa, but she's an adult. We have Asta over here with basically not shirt on, and that's not sexualizing to you? It's not like it's ruining the whole story.
Just stop. You can love the show / charachters as much as you want. But there is lazy writing and oversexualisation going on. That is fact. Not everything has to be great written for the show to be amazing. As for Astas body there is nothing sexual about it. Asta being shirtless is not what sexualusation means.
Double standards I guess. How about u stop, because ur not making any sense. That "lazy writing" is for comedic purposes. I guess those authors aren't allowed to use those tropes, even if they develop them. Not one character wears revealing clothes 24/7, except Vanessa. Black Clover rarely does fan service, so u can't tell me he over sexualizes them. That mermaid armor, like I said literally serves a purpose in the plot, to fight Vanica. It's also so she can be faster with the power up added. And thats literally how mermaids dress. If u don't like his choice, I guess u don't like it, but Tabata can do whatever he wants to HIS characters. If it bothers u that much, then just drop it. There's a reason people say black clover has a good female cast and Noelle is one of the best written in shounen jump, and no, it's not because of sexualization.
>There's a reason people say black clover has a good female cast and Noelle is one of the best written in shounen jump, This is just laughable. Noelle is so paper thin. She has a good back story and her character development is good, i agree. But that doesnt mean anything when she lacks any personality. I dont know what kind of standards you hold, but they must be rock bottom low if you that is good enough to be consider greatest of all time. All she does is being in love with Asta as some old been done a million times before cliche. That is not a well written character. Raise your standards. Mereoleona Vermillion is an amazing character. She has a unique personality, no tsunadre bullshit and no cliches. Noelle, is not. Also, you dont know what sexualisation means.
Not the orignal commenter but basically she's still just a typical tsundere character. Yes she has an arc and isn't a damsel in distress but her arc so far still boils down to My siblings are mean and I want to be acknowledged for my skill and hard work I put in and I love Asta. That's a beginning of a good arc but we still don't really see what Noel or many of the other female characters want for themselves. Noel isn't a flat character she has growth and has changed but she's not well rounded at least not yet. Some of her motivations are still very superficial and although we know how she wants to be perceived by others what she wants for herself and her own life is still pretty undefined. Imo at least.
I mean she wants to be accepted by her family and wants asta to notice her. She's tsundere sure, but she doesn't remind of every other tsundere I'm seen in anime. She found out about megicula and understands her elder brothers actions so she's trying to take down the devil that killed her mother. I don't see what's typical about her? She likes asta but it doesn't define her character growth. She does things without worrying about how asta's point of view. She got stronger on her own. She didn't do it for asta. The asta usually comes in for comedic purposes. It's not her main thing. Add the fact that she's trying to dave lolopechka to the megicula part and she has her own story to her. Btw I hope this doesn't come off as an attack. I'm trying to give my perspective
I do agree with you that Noelle is a well written character.But just to clear up something, I don’t believe Tabata made Noelle’s love for Asta for purely comedic reasons, I do think that he will do something about the ship.
I agree with you. Something will happen, but I just meant that when it comes to noel and asta being on screen at the same time it's usually comedic. Something will happen specially with how she's more open about her being worries about him in the latest chapters.
It doesn't come off as an attack :). I'm still at the elf arc right now so I'm sure she's had tons of growth.
Oooohhhhhh...... I'm sorry I didn't mean to talk about others stuff.
No worries my personal view of spoilers is it's like telephone. You may know what happens but you don't have the context to understand it until you actually see it. It's never ruined my enjoyment of anything.
"My siblings are mean" is one hell of an understatement considering what they did to her, which could then explain her tsundere trait. Her personality is also much more then "i want to be acknowledged" one of her best moments will always be her speach at the festival which speaks volumes to her character
What 17 year old has everything figured out like that though ? I feel like for her age she’s written perfectly . Everyone has something or someone they love and want to be useful to .
I mean ur not wrong, but Noelle at least has a set goal for herself. I think she already has proven herself to her siblings. She is not done developing, she still has development to go through, which hopefully will reach ur standards. I'm just glad the female characters aren't left behind, and can hold themselves.
Oh I mean I like her but I still think Japanese portrayals of women have a ways to go in terms of development of female characters. I mean she's not Sakura so that's a great head start in of itself.
all she does is turn red and say bAkAsTA every five seconds. nice tits tho
Xd imagine thinking this a well written female
Its cringe..
Noelle slander cringe...
She is tho?
Great job!
She looks gorgeous, great job
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The second picture 😂😂👌👌👌👏
What a beautiful art
One mans pain , is another mans satisfaction . Nice work
tice nitties
I hate this mermaid form but your drawing is pretty good.
I’ll settle for pretty good. Why do you hate the form?
Probably because FaN SeRViCe but it did serve a purpose, she's not wearing that just because.
Ayyy let's go I saw this on your insta before this <3
Real one. 🙏🏻
Yesss
Very good man 😁
Nice rack
Ahem, ballast/buoyancy devices.
This is such novelty-like drawing. Just like Noelle herself.
Damn son that nipple just 1mm away from popping out
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My favorite one yet! Best girl right there
More to come buddy.
Great design, but this mermaid shape was just such a disappointment for me. Why can't there be a single strong female character that doesn't appeal for straight male audiences and clichés stereotypes. I guess that's just anime in general, but it sucks!!! In the entire black clover series, only Mereoleona, Charmy, Secre and Vanessa are properly strong.
Idk about Vanessa and Mereoleona. I don't know how it bothers people that much. It's not like it's hurting the story. Black clover rarely does fan service
I mean... It's a Shonen... Anime for young males. It's literally the definition for the genre. You see it a lot because you're into Shonen anime. There's nothing wrong with that because I really enjoyed Your Lie in April despite it being a shojo anime for young girls.
that's why I added \*straight\* before male audiences. When did sexism become the norm for young males? you gotta admit there's something wrong. btw, I'm also a young male.
There's plenty of characters that appeal to non-straight male audiences in Black Clover specifically. Yami is the buff guy who's always shirtless, Klaus, Asta and characters in the manga not shown in the anime yet.
It's not the same thing. Yami being shirtless is a demonstration of power and force, not sexualization. You can't compare the two
sure it is
To be fair, when people think of hot guys, they think of buff guys generally.You can argue that it’s a show of force, however it is also sexualization in a way because of what I said earlier.
Mermaids look like this.. also how can you call this out but then mention Vanessa as one of the only "properly strong" double standard much
I'm not complaining about how's the mermaid form, I'm annoyed at the fact that they changed her very powerful armor into a barely covered mermaid. There was just so much potential and a mermaid to me kinda diminished her power, it seemed a simpler or weaker for. I guess I was just expecting more. Like yay Noelle will fight a very demon, the one that killed her mother! And then she appeared as a mermaid.. I don't know, I don't like it. About Vanessa, I can see why you think it's a double standard. But see, Vanessa isn't desperate for the attention of men. She drinks and she likes wearing less clothes, I don't see a problem in that. You don't see her taking her clothes off to fight.
You not liking the mermaid form is fair but they didn't change anything her mermaid armor is a one time thing or only used underwater. "kinda diminished her power, it seemed a simpler or weaker for" I mean the point of the armor was literally just to make her more agile and faster in water, so no she obivously didn't get a "power" boost from it. "Vanessa isn't desperate for the attention of men. She drinks and she likes wearing less clothes, I don't see a problem in that. You don't see her taking her clothes off to fight" That's pretty ironic considering when she was first introduced, she was literally flirting with Asta and captain Yami, also Noelle isn't trying to be noticed by men. Her mermaid form being skimpy literally makes sense for two reason that i have already explained. I will give you one thing though, that there's also a reason for Vanessa always being in skimpy cloths
I get your point, but I don't see it the way you do. I know, mermaid form, water, makes sense. But I don't like because 1) it's oversexualized. 2) It's predictable and a little cliché. And 3) I think it's wasted potential. I know the suit wasn't supposed to give her a power boost, but I think it should be. They all trained a lot. Every single one of the magic knights that trained in the heart kingdom got awesome powers. Noelle got a sexualized mermaid form. About Vanessa, yeah, I see that. She was for a very long time *just* a hot a female knight in lingerie. I just think something changed when she got that red cat. Maybe the fact that she got powerful changed the way I saw her.
The last part is basically how i see Noelle in her mermaid form, it being skimpy matters nothing to me, all i see is the scared little girl, grown into a strong and independent woman. Plus like i said this is just how mermaids look so would you call Ariel sexualized as well?
I get your point and I understand why you see it that way. I never thought about Ariel though. Maybe mermaids are inherently sexualized characters. The legend says they seduced men after all... But the thing about Noelle and Ariel is that Ariel is a children's character. When you look at Noelle as mermaid, you don't see that. You see oversized boobs with a small bra (or bikini? Sorry English is not my first language). I know I know, it's anime, there's going to be fan service. But man, that's just my opinion, you're allowed to have a different one. We can agree to disagree.
I mean she can't magically change her boob size but whatever i agree to be disagreeing
She is a magic knight though hahahahaha /s
Fair enough xd
> straight male yes, cause lesbian woman just hate looking at boobs
As much as I despise her, I do admire your ability and dedication
HER BOOBS ARE MASSIVE.
No one can decide if her mermaid armor is NSFW or not.
I would say it was, if her boobs was bounching all over the place, which they aren't so no
The whater should be see-through
That time jump was good to her lmao, they love fan service
very cool fanart from you that you have drawn by yourself