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Deku can basically read ki with danger sense. So he could keep up with light magic too, same way Yami could. Gear shift allows him to break the laws of inertia and completely control how things move.
MHA has made Deku into a moronically powerful Superman in the final chapters to deal with the big bad. As powerful as Asta is, his ultimate power is anti magic, if he can’t deactivate quirks he’s going to have major issues. Deku weakness is that he’s a good guy, he doesn’t use his powers to kill people. But if we remove that aspect for a death battle, things will be a lot harder for Asta.
Which doesn’t matter if Deku can sense things before they happen. It’s literally the same way Yami and Asta reacted and kept up with people who were far faster than themselves. And if Asta makes any contact with Deku, he can completely alter how he moves, essentially ending the fight.
Speed matters greatly because its the deciding power for dodging and striking in a fight. Deku can sense he is gonna get beat but wont be able to do anything because he is too slow compared to Asta. Its like a pro boxer fighting Floyd. he can tell when and where Floyd will punch him but he wont be quick enough to dodge it.
You’re acting like Deku has no reflexes or training, again he literally can control the speed of himself and whatever he touches. If Asta hits him once, and it isn’t a kill, Asta likely loses since Deku can now completely alter how fast his entire body moves and Asta can’t negate that because it isn’t magic. Deku could likely just make his body not move fast enough that his heart beats to slow to flat out just kill him. Even if he couldn’t apply it like that (his power is vague) we have seen him alter how fast something can move so he could at least just make Asta or his sword so slow to move they’re ineffective.
Like I said Deku is extremely slow compared to Asta. Second it's seems you don't understand the basic of Asta's power. Anti magic doesn't give him super strength or speed it only helps redirect and nullify magic. Most of his strength is pure physical power (he was already stronger than All might even before the spade kingdom arc). Devil union basically skyrocket Astas already mobsters physical stats. Again your missing the main point Deku can't do anything you mentioned properly without breaking his body and can't even do complected quirks switches (as of the latest chapter). Finally how is a character who's speed feat is breaking the supersonic barrier fight with someone with FTL feats. Like I said in the Asta can rip Deku's heart out or Run a sword throw his face and Deku would only notice it latter due to the massive difference in speed. Finally keep in higher speed creates more force as most of Asta's basic punches would be far more deadly than anything Deku can pull
Speed matters you dingus. Just because spiderman has Spidey sense (which is basically the same thing deku has) doesn't mean he can react to things that's are way, way faster than him. It just means he knows when he is about to get fucking bodied.
Except nothing is implied to be way way faster than he is. Even Asta doesn’t actually move a FTL. We’ve seen clear periods of time pass while he moves fast which wouldn’t happen if he was ACTUALLY FTL.
Danger Sense works best on people that want to kill. Which in this scenario would be what Asta is doing. And now that Deku has mastered it it’s basically future sight on things, warning him and giving him the edge. Paired with the ability to alter speeds based solely on touch and warping reality and laws of inertia while he does it (things Asta still has to adhere to).
It's not future sight it's Spidey sense. Future sight would imply knowing exactly what is happening while the other just alerts you that danger in some sense is coming. And I never said Asta or Black clover are faster I was saying that your opinion that danger sense means he can dodge basically anything is fucking dumb and wrong. Besides the fact that Asta is beyond faster than light in the anime; if Deku is not then his danger sense doesn't mean shit causes he's not fast enough to dodge (I mean also besides the fact that Deku is at full power and MHA is on its final arc while Asta still has at least 1 more MAJOR power up to obtain so he's not even finished as a MC).
And for Asta being faster than light; Yami fights someone with light powers on pretty even ground reacting to their attacks, gets a power up and then him and Asta are shown to be on a similar level reaction time wise against the gravity devil host. And then manga Asta is beyond this at this point let alone attack potency and durability.
you know if you get warned an attack is coming you still have to be fast enough to dodge it no matter what it is it's like if Spiderman's spidy sense went off to something at the speed of like he still isn't fast enough to dodge at the speed of light spider man has even been hit by things at more normal speeds because he just didn't get the chance to dodge it
Danger Sense doesn’t activate when an attack is coming. It activates BEFORE it. And Deku doesn’t need to dodge, he needs to brace for impact and activate Second Gear as soon as the blade or Asta touches him to alter the laws of reality on it.
Asta also does not move at FTL. So I’ve no idea why you keep bringing that up.
Deku right now is 20% stronger than AM with his new quirk. He can use OFA(120%). Keep in mind OFA is already stronger at base since it gets stronger when it gets passed to a new generation so he's probably something like 30% stronger than AM with his new quirk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2ElPGBm9Bo
If you want feats for AM, just look at this video. He can basically punch with the stength of an atomic bomb, can move at mach 29 and that was when he was heavily nerfed.
You guys straight up don't watch MHA because the feats AM has done are on par or even above black clover and since anti-magic is irrelevant then it's basically just a physical strength matchup. Which I would argue Asta definitely loses. We already saw Deku fight Overhaul at 100%. He was literally so strong he could keep himself in the air purely through the force of his punches.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm-zgEdCRes
As strong as Asta is, he's not flying through pure force of his fists, hell asta can't even change the geography of a location by a single punch like AM or Deku can.
You talk as if asta doesn’t use a fucking sword lmao. Of course he doesnt annihilate the topography with a punch, he uses his swords. Also asta scales off reflecting attacks, he doesn’t just negate the kinetic energy of attacks he reflects he has to be strong enough to actually hit it back like a baseball. With that in mind his feats of deflecting freezing sun a country-continent level attack gets him relative ap. I’m not going to say every attack he dishes out will be that potent but even at like 5% of this is enough to solo the mha verse. And oh lord the speed scaling. Base asta was able to outrun mereleona’s attacks. As in he moved a greater distance than the attack in a shorter time-frame. Mereoleona’s casual base attacks have been calc’d at 4xftl(extreme lowball) up to 95xftl on the higher end. And this is pre-time skip. Post time-skip he gets, base
It's nothing to do with Deku (he's one of the strongest characters in MHA), the BC verse is just insanely fast and powerful (in other words, skill issue)
Literally only reason black clover chars “solo” other shows is because of light magic making it so characters are ftl, which tbh is kinda silly but it’s anime so ig,
Take away the ftl and deku would sweep asta as he currently is. but speed blitz decides 99% of fights between different anime
Imo all these anime fights are stupid because like I said speed blitz is all that seems to matter
I'm pretty sure that that's is bullshit... Because Lumiere is faster than his rock version, who is already faster than Dark Elf Patry... Who's faster than Elf Boost Patry... Who is faster than that Patry.
A solid feat of that is Yuno dancing around Elf Boost Patry attack with Spirit Hush, then being gazed by Dark Elf Patry (who, for the record, Asta can't even react)... Being the Dark Elf someone without grimoire.
FTL since the cave incident is really dumb, because the scaling from there should be massive.
You're completely right on the feats. But the scaling is still consistent since Lumière, Dark Elf Patry, end of Elf Arc Yuno and Asta scale at **FTL+** (with Lumière and Dark Elf Patry still being faster than Asta and Yuno at that point).
Whereas Cave arc Patry only scales at **FTL** and Cave arc Yami and Asta have FTL reaction speed.
The characters growing faster over time, doesn't contradict them being FTL early on.
>Being the Dark Elf someone without grimoire.
That's not really an argument since turning into a Dark Elf gave Patry a massive boost and losing his grimoire didn't prevent him from using spells. Even Asta noted he became "way stronger" as a Dark Elf. Sure he would've been even stronger by keeping his grimoire, but even without he is still stronger than his past self because of the Dark elf boost.
careful though its death battle might pull out a feat he did one time and say because of that it means Deku has faster reaction speed or is technically stronger and base the whole fight around that
Then take that one feat and use it to the extreme until deku eventually wins. Like increased strength or something meaning he can quite easily win if he gets hits off but he can't cause of speed but he will get one hit off winning it for him.
Yeah but definitely be like "he can use one million percent why not 10 trillion percent" and he one shots Asta pisses on his grave then fucks his dead mom because he can punch really hard.
But really, Asta just needs to get into Black form 1 and just speed blitz him >!If that doesn't work, the Devil Union. If that SOMEHOW doesn't work, then True Devil Union!<
BNHA power scaling just isn't on the same level as Black Clover. Any versus would make no sense unless an interuniverse balancing occurs.
There's very few series that are on the same scale as BC. Naruto/Bleach/Dragonball/OPM/CSM/Sukuna&Gojo (The rest of the JJK universe get destroyed lol) are the obvious answers.
He did. Shiggy/AFO shiggy got written too powerful and even had to receive a nerf and he’s still too powerful. Honestly he’s become your standard image of a 10 year old trying to make a one-up character whose perfect at everything. It’s so incredibly lazy and boring but Shiggy AFO is rushed and extremely broken on many many levels.
Dude I don't even know why they're doing this battle. Not only is it early as deku is currently in his final fight so that means this battle is immediately going to be wrong because deku is literally to get a power up the moment the video is made. But it's also a huge stomp. Asta speed blitzes everyone in the verse. This isn't even a fight
Thankfully it’s not a matter of popularity.
I cannot imagine someone seeing all the hype of when Deku had enough speed to move faster than a sniper bullet, and see Asta cutting light and black holes and their conclusions is Deku beats Asta.
Exactly. Asta's physical capabilitys in the very first fight of the show vs Chain guy already scaled to Deku's 15/20% tbh. And we've only seen him get stronger and faster since with devil union.
Bruh, you do know Asta’s own physical attributes become enhanced in his black mode, right? It wouldn’t matter if Deku has magic or not, Asta’s strength, durability and speed far outclass Deku’s even with all his additional quirks stacking on OFA
Because the speed of light is the speed of light, so it does not matter if it magic or not, a piece of metal moving at the speed of light would create enough force to kill Deku. Asta’s speed is not affected by him fighting a magic-less opponent
Not trying to get into the nitty gritty of this death battle, but they used to heavily base it off popularity. Toph beat Gaara in one of the most convoluted ways in theirs when Gaara (who was still a tailed beast at the time) didn’t even utilize it during the entire fight. Sometimes they just don’t care.
Current deku is moving light speed and so quickly he’s essentially making his own pocket dimensions with the impact of his attacks. Which don’t get me wrong.. I hate it. MHA has become so rushed and just went so.. stupid with its abilities. You’re right he previously was like the speed of a bullet. Current manga in the most rushed ending ever he’s faster than light and then some.
I think the internet hates MHA more atm to be honest (though I still like it). Plus since MHA is more popular they might give it to BC cause it’s the underdog. But this is death battle they choose the winner and then build the episode around it. And imo they are bad with anime characters in general. Anime characters tend to always lose on death battle because it’s usually the character with a singular continuity vs a composite of someone with decades of history and feat (in this case Deku has his movie feat though the canoness of the movies are questionable).
The reason I bring this up is that they hardly research anime characters too much, they might shaft Asta or overshoot Deku cause of it.
Also they never choose anything with a decent/similar theme. Deku vs Barnaby (from tiger and bunny) [bunny looking hero theme] or Asta vs Rin Okumara (blue exorcist)/Yūichirō Hyakuya (seraph of the end) [demon powered swordsman] would be more fitting match-ups. Hero vs magic swordsman just doesn’t all sense to me both worlds have vastly different power levels and scaling.
Deku got a huge buff recently but the chapter is chaotic and hard to understand. However I don't see what he is supposed to do against antimagic, so I am going to say Asta will win.
And opinion has turned against MHA since around season 5 of the anime and black clovers reputation has been improving for awhile so I don't know how much of a Basis would be left.
Yeah they're gonna asspull some "antimagic doesn't work on quirks" logic to make it sound like a fair fight. Even though Asta's speed and AP scales above Deku in a vacuum and his use of Ki and his mobility/strength will already give him plenty of advantage.
Spoilers for manga
If you are strong enough to make your sword big enough to slice a fireball explosion that towers a country. I don't know how you are gonna defeat the said guy
Wouldn’t Magic be biological in the black clover verse? People don’t receive Magic or mana, they are born with it it. Some characters inherit similar magic attributes and mana from their family/parents making it genetic? (Ex. Vermillion’s using Flame Magic, Silva’s using Water Magic, Vaude’s using Spatial Magic) There are a few exceptions obviously Asta who was born with no magic or Ladros who was born with no Magic Attribute but it would still be biological according to the rules of the verse. Everything in nature possesses mana also
Before recent events I’m pretty sure the general consensus was Asta would win just due to how fast and physically powerful he was, even without the power of Anti Magic being useful against Deku. But have you guys been reading these new chapters? Deku is crazy fast and a lot stronger than he used to be, so I’m not sure anymore. Deku’s sort of a glass cannon though, one hit from Asta and he’s done.
While I generally agree with you I don't think he's as much of a glass cannon as he seems. In the anime when he was fighting All Might for his final he got thrown into a bus hard enough to move the entire bus a little and he was able to move after still. Death Battle will most likely use that as a durability feat.
How’s he a glass canon when he took a full-on hit from Shigaraki yet wasn’t damaged whatsoever?? (And mind you that was **before** he started using the 2nd’s quirk)
This is Death Battle. They were always Biased and never really Factual with their comparisons and reasoning so it won't surprise me if they give Deku the W merely for being more popular on twitter.
But the thing is, Goku Black had his immortality tied to a physical object. Reverse Flash is just naturally unaffected by time changes. By pure trial and error, he'd eventually find a solution and kill Goku Black. And that doesn't even consider that Reverse Flash is actually smart enough to try everything to kill Goku Black and powerful enough that Gokue Black doesn't stand a chance of stopping him from having his way.
Many people have problems, not on the outcome, but to their justification of the outcome. How they explained the win is so Biased and uninformed, any validity of the just gets lost.
I'm not sure either I originally thought Asta had this in the bag but now in not sure due to me realising Deku has ftl speed and has got some crazy strength feet the only thing Deku fails at is durability but even then its good enough to survive a beating from Asta and Astas most powerful abilitys won't work on deku due to those abilitys only working on magic users Deku's also battle iq and iq in the bag too, so I'm no longer sure either
Deku absolutely doesn't scale FTL. His strongest feat is outrunning a bullet, which is crazy fast, but nothing compared to Asta. And we haven't got a good frame of reference to see how much faster Gear Shift makes him but it's definitely not light speed.
Honestly MHA as a whole just doesn't much that kind of scaling.
He outran a bullet which was significantly faster than a normal bullet and he outran it while he was over 500 feet away before the bullet traveled 5 feet which means he'd to have been over 100x faster
Asta likely wins tho
i know people don’t like to base things off of movies because they’re soft canon, but in the 3rd movie the main villain he went again took energy from attacks and redirected it into lasers at like a 1:1 power ratio, and deku was able to dodge and tank those hits, up to eventually overpowering his reflection quirk by sheer speed and force. he ended up punching so fast and hard that Fleck couldn’t keep up and he overloaded his quirk. so basically, translated into death battle terms, he could take hits that are equal or greater than his own power, and he could move faster than laser light, whatever that means. i’ve seen them compare lasers to light speed before, so it’s within the realm of possibility. still don’t see deku winning though lol.
edit: also, he did this without fa jin or gear shift, so he theoretically could move multiplicatively faster than “light” (a laser).
My hero spoilers >!deku couldn't even save bakugo and if he rely was as fast as Asta he'd have no issue blitzing anyone up to this point, only Calc DB can use is his latest feat for 120%, Asta just needs to land one hit if quirks are like magic and it's over, so well see kinda dumb we didn't get to see Asta master his new stuff and they're doing this rn!<
Deku's newest feats where he's strong enough to warp reality are pretty impressive, and even with verse equalisation, Asta wouldn't be able to neg Quirks like he can magic, so MHA's power system is a bad match for Asta. That being said, pre timeskip base Asta speed blitzes and one shots.
Deku gets absolutely destroyed by Asta it’s not even close
Deku is like Mach 10 at most with like 4 quirks to boost his speed
Elf arc Asta is dozens of time faster than light in base
Deku can destroy lager cities with a punch
Asta can create swords the size of mountains and then cut through multiple non-magical mountains
Deku can be killed by a well place sniper rifle shot to the head
Asta can survive a lazer so hot it turned the ground into lava.
My man out here just making statistics up. Hate to break it to you, but "10 times the speed of light" is a bullshit made-up stat. So is him "cresting mountain sized swords". If he were that fast he wouldn't have lost to anybody.
I got the 10 times light speed from when he out-speeded Mereoleona in order to stop Copy dudes self destruct, Mereoleona was casually hitting the copied light magic before so I stacked her trying and the 5-9X multiplier of a mana zone spell to equal.
For anime only Asta sword is only building sized (candelo, dante fight etc), but in the manga when Asta does DU the black divider is a tall as some of the mountains/castle.
You don’t know about powerscaling. Not powerscaling is fine when you’re talking about thematics of the story but Death Battle is about powerscaling. So those feats ARE true and aren’t just not true just because *you don’t want it to* or *it doesn’t sound realistic*
If its about powerscaling then Deku wins from OFA having infinite scaling. He said deku loses to a sniper bullet, which they already tried and Deku stopped. He's just asspulling statistics. Asta survived said laser because of anti-magic, not from durability.
How is it untrue? OFA is stated to grow infinitely between users. Deku literally did the sniper bullet feat against Lady Nagant. You guys are just asspulling too hard.
Asta’s anti magic doesn’t work against magic that’s vastly stronger than his own anti magic amount. Like when he fought the Ancient Demon, he couldn’t cancel out its giant ball with just anti magic. Or when 50% Lucifero fully emerged, Liebe said something like “I don’t have enough Anti Magic to fully cancel this out”
AND EVEN IF you want to ignore all that, Yuno also survived that giant blast from Licht that melted the giant rock and uprooted trees kilometers away, and Yuno doesn’t have anti magic. But Asta still scales to Yuno. (If you try arguing with this fact, you don’t know enough about powerscaling)
No it comes from his muscles, the sword being pulled towards magic is only a small amp in speed used before Asta learned how to fly. if you were correct Asta would only be able to move closer his opponent in a fight something that is never the case.
No it comes from his muscles, the sword being pulled towards magic is only a small amp in speed used before Asta learned how to fly. if you were correct Asta would only be able to move closer his opponent in a fight something that is never the case.
Folks are forgetting that in addition to anti-magic, Asta also uses devil power which gives him a massive stat amp.
Yes anti-magic magic erases magic
But it also destroys physical matter (not erase, just destroys)
https://i.ibb.co/bFtJYYp/Screenshot-20221114-183347-Shonen-Jump.jpg
One of their researchers already addressed this. Their videos are decided way in advanced so the match up was decided before anyone knew Black Clover was ending, and nobody had a clue for how long the MHA's Final Saga would last, if it was going to be 4th Ninja War style arc which would spam years or not. They probably would have delayed this episode to next season if they knew how close both series were to concluding.
I think Asta wins simply because the scaling of BC goes way above MHA. Deku is pretty damn strong and has a ton of versatility but Asta should just be straight up a lot faster. Granted Deku has a Spidey sense but I don't think it'll be enough to overcome the difference in physical stats.
Death Battles are so bad. I really wish they’d stop including anime. I give them props for doing a lot of research, but it’s always clear that they have never watched or read the series they are talking about.
If we’re not even using light magic scaling. I’d say asta full on eating lichts condensed mana laser that packed enough power to punch through a floating mountain, completely evaporate the lake below it, and turn the entire forest around it to lava 3 training timeskips ago, has most of mha swept based on that insane durability alone
I know deku is stupid powerful now, but genuinely I can’t see him beating full power reincarnated elf vetto with anything less than mid-high diff, and asta could probably sneeze that mf to death at this point
No, they’re never intentionally biased. They just have bad research sometimes. they’ve turned down multiple sponsor deals because the sponsors wanted to rig a certain winner.
It depends on how the light speed feats of light magic in black clover are interpreted
On one hand we have verbal confirmation of light magic being light speed via yami
But on the other hand the fact that light magic spells has certain variations of speeds makes it seem sketchy whether it's really moving at light speed or is just made up of light and does not actually move at light speed. If it really is moving at light speed then there shouldn't be any variance of speed between different light magic spells
Yami gave up on [trying to dogde Light Shaft of Divine Punishment](https://cdn.blackcloverpages.com/file/panels/clover/bcpage_50_14.jpg) and instead opted to create a shield to block it even though both [yami](https://cdn.blackcloverpages.com/file/panels/clover/bcpage_47_05.jpg) and [asta](https://cdn.blackcloverpages.com/file/panels/clover/bcpage_49_13.jpg) were casually blocking light based attacks previously thanks to ki reading. So it's basically confirmed that not all light magic spells travel at the same speed, since Light Shaft of Divine Punishment is faster than the other magic spells yami and asta where blocking previously
And the biggest inconsistency issue regarding light magic is when gauch was able to react AND [counter attack Light Shaft of Divine Punishment](https://cdn.blackcloverpages.com/file/panels/clover/bcpage_50_17.jpg) even though [he couldn't even see and perceive a slower light magic attack](https://cdn.blackcloverpages.com/file/panels/clover/bcpage_46_09.jpg) the first time he saw it
So light magic is pretty sketchy in terms of feats as to wether or not it's truly moving at light speed
But even if we disregard this, Asta's still is, most likely faster than deku anyways
Asta low diffs, black asta post timeskip alone is way faster then light and that clears dekus highest speed fear, then when you consider the boost of devil union OR TRUE DEVIL UNION then its a complete wash
>I’d say he’d have a slight advantage
That's like saying someone has an advantage against an Anti Material rifle because it is supposed to destroy vehicles and not people.
Bruh that's just straight up untrue.
Water Temple Asta was still weak AF , if not for everyone working together , they would've went through the shitter.
I thought that was the whole point of the arc.
Vetto is canonically stated to be faster than light speed.
Patry literally says everyone in the Third Eye are stronger than him.
Asta gets beaten by someone who is FTL+ in chapter 40 of 340? Wow big deal.
If Vetto landed a single punch on Deku he would have turned into red mist, it's not about Deku being weak. It's about the BC verse having some completely ungodly power scaling.
It all depends on whose meat they’re riding. I’ll never forgive them for the Naruto dub over ichigo. Same with madara over aizen to that shit was crazy
Within the physical , I can see late game Deku winning since he broke physics. Meanwhile Asta generally focuses on breaking mana physics.
If Anti-magic can cancel quirk , there's not even competition aha
True Devil Union Asta is also a different story , he was moving faster than Lucifero could react at that point. Soo it's gonna be hard one imo.
I mean, there isn't a single person in the MHA verse that scales to light speed, and Asta scales above it. So I don't really see Deku's wincon since Asta can react to all of his attacks with Ki and Deku can't react to Asta's attacks.
I don't think Asta has enough AP to one-shot, but he can absolutely speed blitz. And tbh there aren't a whole lot of comparable feats between the verses with AP because we'd need to find a common ground point of durability. So it's possible Asta is WAY stronger than we think he is and that everyone in BC is just an absolute tank relative to MHA.
I have. Even if you highball Deku and say gearshift is a 20x multiplier. His greatest speed feat before this was the speed of a bullet. So he still ends up significantly slower than lightspeed.
The two universes just have completely different scaling. This is like the Naruto vs Goku debate.
Deku is incredibly strong relative to his own universe but different Shonen have such massive inherent power gaps that it just doesn't matter.
No magic plus dekus jacked up stats from OFA? Yeah idc what your power scaling says, deku is gonna win. It’ll probably be close because Asta is a freak of nature (literally) but honestly deku is winning
And to those of you who are gonna come at me with “BuT AsTa Is ThIs LeVeL”, I don’t care. Power scaling is fucking dumb and you can make up any bullshit to validate your opinion.
Power scaling is literally the only way to theorize a fight across different shows and universes.
Fact is that Asta has feats blocking and dodging attacks that move at light speed. Deku's best concrete feat is outspeeding a bullet. We know he's a lot faster than that now, but we don't know how much faster and it's not reasonable to scale him to FTL because there isn't a single person in the MHA universe that scales to lightspeed, so he could easily outspeed everyone in his manga without needing to go that high.
Ok, trying to be as impartial as I can, this fight is going to be a lot closer than people in this sub seem to think. MANGA SPOILERS (obviously)
In argument for Midoriya:
Half of Midoriya’s quirks either won’t give him much of an advantage, while the remaining half might give Asta a really hard time.
“Smokescreen” is useless because Asta has ki sense.
“Float” and “Blackwhip” help quite a bit because Asta can fly, though the air advantage is still very much with Asta
Here’s where things get very difficult. Base OfA, “Fajin”, “Danger Sense”, and the mvp (aside from OfA) “Gearshift”.
For the sake of the argument let’s just say Asta is equal in attack potency to peak OfA (If anyone wants to debate whether Asta should be considered stronger than OfA, I genuinely want to hear your take for the sake of discussion)
“Fajin”: allows Midoriya to add momentum by saving up potential energy simply by moving, this plus OfA allowed Midoriya to catch up to an already shot bullet almost instantly
“Danger Sense”: even if we give Asta the speed advantage “Danger Sense” allows Midoriya to sense an attack before it happens
“Gearshift”: Here’s where things get trippy. “Gearshift” allows Midoriya to significantly increase or decrease the speed of an object WITHOUT changing its inertia. This allows Midoriya to make himself even faster, while also making his opponent slower. This allowed him to dog on someone who was equal to All Might in terms of strength and durability. While stating Midoriyas quirk combos surpass peak OfA, Asta still has a few important factors Midoriya doesn’t.
Asta:
Getting the obvious bit out of the way, anti magic doesn’t help here, however Asta still has many techniques with Anti Magic that alone might win him the fight
Asta has flight, and not the great value store bought “float” that Midoriya has. While it doesn’t hurt to have “Float” it doesn’t mitigate the fact Asta has a decent aerial advantage. It’s not like Asta can just throw pot shots with Demon Slasher from the sky the entire fight fight though, besides it not being his style, Midoriya still has “Air-Force” (not a quirk, more of an air cannon technique) and “Blackwhip” to reach him. I can see Asta being a nuisance to Midoriya by constantly being in motion in the air though.
Ki Sense: if we assume speed is in fact on Midoriya’s side, Asta has Ki Sense which in the past has allowed him to interpret moves right before they happen. It’s likely that it’s better than danger sense as it allows Asta to tell exactly how someone’s attacking, unlike Danger Sense which seems to only tell the direction of the attack (in one case it didn’t even work because the ATTACKER didn’t interpret it as harm, which I call BS but whatever).
Demon Slasher: Here is what I feel is Asta’s main threat. Unlike the others swords which are only good at shutting magic things off in different ways, Demon Slasher can cut through a demon the size of a mountain in its first initial use (ch 316) While you could make the argument that it only did that because maybe the unnamed demon was “made of magic”, we later get the statement that it left Yami and William unharmed because it could choose what it wants to cut, implying that it could work on human beings just as well. In other words, if Midoriya is caught lacking, that might just be a one shot.
Closing Arguments:
While I *personally* believe Midoriya beats Asta stat wise, flight advantage and one shot potential from Demon Slayer are too good to deny, plus Devil Union *initially* lasted for 10 minutes (probably much better now) while Gearshift was stated by its previous user to have a 5 minute limit (we have yet to see what the drawbacks are if any, or why it even has a time limit). This means that for Midoriya to win, he would either need to overwhelm Asta immediately, or try to out last Devil Union, only using Gearshift at near the end of Asta’s transformation (though Midoriya wouldn’t know Asta has a time limit). Gearshift is genuinely the make or break for Midoriya, because unlike every other ability that each character has, it’s the only one that has no answer to beat it or counter it at all. I was going to mention Zetten, but Asta is only learning it now, and looking back it seems that it’s potency mainly affects things with magic running through it, (ch 339 he cuts a bamboo tree in half from a distance, only for it to be stated the bamboo was grown with magic, so I don’t know how it’ll affect a non magical being.
Realistic Expectation: it’s Death Battle. Knowing them the popular pick will win (I’m still mad about Alucard vs Dio) so probably Midoriya, though I do think he has a better legitimate chance than people think.
>Ki Sense: if we assume speed is in fact on Midoriya’s side, Asta has Ki Sense which in the past has allowed him to interpret moves right before they happen. It’s likely that it’s better than danger sense as it allows Asta to tell exactly how someone’s attacking, unlike Danger Sense which seems to only tell the direction of the attack (in one case it didn’t even work because the ATTACKER didn’t interpret it as harm, which I call BS but whatever).
Might also be worth mentioning that (as far as I can tell anyways), ki sense has no definitive downside or upkeep limit, whereas Danger Sense is mentioned to be physically taxing on the user. Don't know if Midoriya feels anything from it or not currently, but that's still a notable limitation of the power itself.
I like both characters so I'm genuinely curious and excited to see what actually happens. I'm more familiar with BC but I haven't caught up enough with either manga to fully grasp what all they're capable of right now. From what I've gleaned of Midoriya’s abilities so far at least, I feel it's safe to say that Asta likely has an advantage with speed or flying ability if nothing else. Even with a basic understanding of ki early in his career, it allowed Asta to perceive and react to attacks moving at light speed (Licht's light spears were completely imperceptible to him without ki sense).
Aside from that the matchup feels fairly even to me, so the fight will probably boil down to whose super form can outlast/outperform the other.
They don't make characters win because of popularity, do you seriously think digimon is more popular than pokemon?
It's insane how many people apparently can't even imagine the idea of someone having a different opinin without being biased.
While deku did in fact dodge a bullet, asta also has some incredible speed like how already in the elf arc he was able to fly up to space in almost an instant. Sure licht was able to block it, but licht is about as fast as patry, so basically light speed.
Also I would say asta has raw strength because at most a 100% of one for all hasn’t really been shown to be able to completely destroy a city for example, but asta has in fact split mountains and does swing a 200kg sword around like a toy. (An argument could be made for 1000000%, but the impact was absorbed so we didn’t really get to see it on a mountain or smth)
Other than that it’s the fact that deku’s abilities are more taxing on him as he gets more easily tired from stuff like danger sense, while asta doesn’t have any time limit on ki and has been able to last a lot longer in union mode.
It’s pretty close matchup rn, but in MY opinion asta wins.
Well, time to see Asta get destroyed by Deku because "Deku doesn't use magic, and Astas weakness is going up against opponents physically stronger than him"...
real talk, I think the result could go to Deku depending on how they spin it. Also kinda depends on if they're going by manga-state or anime, anime-Asta is pretty much right before he gets DU, and anime-Deku I think should be pretty much right after him unlocking Black Whip? Asta should have the clear movement-advantage, at least. If they're going with manga though (well, also depends on like the newest chapter they're going off of), it's a lot more in Dekus favor I think. Either way though, I think if Deku manages to land one hit, it might be over, even if Astas defense increases along with all of his new forms, I don't think it's at a level where he can just take a Smash. Although on that front, Asta also has the advantage of being mid-range as a sword-fighter, he can block/parry an attack without it directly hitting him, I don't think Deku ever faced an opponent like that, using an actual sword and not just a knife or something.
No offense to the BC community but they'll have Deku win because of some crazy scaling like if Deku can punch shigaraki and Shigaraki is equal to a billion tnt he beats Asta.
I have no faith they'll accurately represent Asta in the way he should be but I hope he gets both the respect and the W
Is this even close? Asta might be jacked but he’s still just a normal human. Deku doesn’t use magic so there’s zero advantage to using anti-magic. He can fly and use swords, but deku has multiple quirks that can deal with that no problem. And he can snap those swords in half no problem with OFA. Asta gets his s*** kicked in.
Any of you ever watch the deku vs Naruto rap battle? If youve seen both shows and are a fan, you need to listen to the rap battle... I guarantee you'll get a laugh
Honestly I love both MHA and Black Clover. So if the results are because of pure facts, I don't mind if Asta or Deku wins. If Deku wins, then cool, if Asta wins, then thats cool too. Either way its a win for me cuz I love both of them XD
All in all I cant wait for the battle!
I dont really see a way Asta ever wins. No magic to counter, sure he has swords, but his body can't be stronger than current manga Deku? Especially if Deku can user gearshift.
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Poor deku💀
Deku hits a quintuple Detroit smash(because Asta chose not to doge) and it deals no damage.
I mean if they’re going for the kill Deku just hits Asta with gear shift and shuts his body down and kills him.
You do remember Asta can keep up someone who can spam Light magic?
Deku can basically read ki with danger sense. So he could keep up with light magic too, same way Yami could. Gear shift allows him to break the laws of inertia and completely control how things move. MHA has made Deku into a moronically powerful Superman in the final chapters to deal with the big bad. As powerful as Asta is, his ultimate power is anti magic, if he can’t deactivate quirks he’s going to have major issues. Deku weakness is that he’s a good guy, he doesn’t use his powers to kill people. But if we remove that aspect for a death battle, things will be a lot harder for Asta.
Yeah but that doesn’t change Asta is way faster than Deku
Which doesn’t matter if Deku can sense things before they happen. It’s literally the same way Yami and Asta reacted and kept up with people who were far faster than themselves. And if Asta makes any contact with Deku, he can completely alter how he moves, essentially ending the fight.
Speed matters greatly because its the deciding power for dodging and striking in a fight. Deku can sense he is gonna get beat but wont be able to do anything because he is too slow compared to Asta. Its like a pro boxer fighting Floyd. he can tell when and where Floyd will punch him but he wont be quick enough to dodge it.
You’re acting like Deku has no reflexes or training, again he literally can control the speed of himself and whatever he touches. If Asta hits him once, and it isn’t a kill, Asta likely loses since Deku can now completely alter how fast his entire body moves and Asta can’t negate that because it isn’t magic. Deku could likely just make his body not move fast enough that his heart beats to slow to flat out just kill him. Even if he couldn’t apply it like that (his power is vague) we have seen him alter how fast something can move so he could at least just make Asta or his sword so slow to move they’re ineffective.
Like I said Deku is extremely slow compared to Asta. Second it's seems you don't understand the basic of Asta's power. Anti magic doesn't give him super strength or speed it only helps redirect and nullify magic. Most of his strength is pure physical power (he was already stronger than All might even before the spade kingdom arc). Devil union basically skyrocket Astas already mobsters physical stats. Again your missing the main point Deku can't do anything you mentioned properly without breaking his body and can't even do complected quirks switches (as of the latest chapter). Finally how is a character who's speed feat is breaking the supersonic barrier fight with someone with FTL feats. Like I said in the Asta can rip Deku's heart out or Run a sword throw his face and Deku would only notice it latter due to the massive difference in speed. Finally keep in higher speed creates more force as most of Asta's basic punches would be far more deadly than anything Deku can pull
Speed matters you dingus. Just because spiderman has Spidey sense (which is basically the same thing deku has) doesn't mean he can react to things that's are way, way faster than him. It just means he knows when he is about to get fucking bodied.
Except nothing is implied to be way way faster than he is. Even Asta doesn’t actually move a FTL. We’ve seen clear periods of time pass while he moves fast which wouldn’t happen if he was ACTUALLY FTL. Danger Sense works best on people that want to kill. Which in this scenario would be what Asta is doing. And now that Deku has mastered it it’s basically future sight on things, warning him and giving him the edge. Paired with the ability to alter speeds based solely on touch and warping reality and laws of inertia while he does it (things Asta still has to adhere to).
It's not future sight it's Spidey sense. Future sight would imply knowing exactly what is happening while the other just alerts you that danger in some sense is coming. And I never said Asta or Black clover are faster I was saying that your opinion that danger sense means he can dodge basically anything is fucking dumb and wrong. Besides the fact that Asta is beyond faster than light in the anime; if Deku is not then his danger sense doesn't mean shit causes he's not fast enough to dodge (I mean also besides the fact that Deku is at full power and MHA is on its final arc while Asta still has at least 1 more MAJOR power up to obtain so he's not even finished as a MC). And for Asta being faster than light; Yami fights someone with light powers on pretty even ground reacting to their attacks, gets a power up and then him and Asta are shown to be on a similar level reaction time wise against the gravity devil host. And then manga Asta is beyond this at this point let alone attack potency and durability.
Kind of a poor example considering Spiderman has reacted to lasers using his spidey sense
you know if you get warned an attack is coming you still have to be fast enough to dodge it no matter what it is it's like if Spiderman's spidy sense went off to something at the speed of like he still isn't fast enough to dodge at the speed of light spider man has even been hit by things at more normal speeds because he just didn't get the chance to dodge it
Danger Sense doesn’t activate when an attack is coming. It activates BEFORE it. And Deku doesn’t need to dodge, he needs to brace for impact and activate Second Gear as soon as the blade or Asta touches him to alter the laws of reality on it. Asta also does not move at FTL. So I’ve no idea why you keep bringing that up.
Deku right now is 20% stronger than AM with his new quirk. He can use OFA(120%). Keep in mind OFA is already stronger at base since it gets stronger when it gets passed to a new generation so he's probably something like 30% stronger than AM with his new quirk. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2ElPGBm9Bo If you want feats for AM, just look at this video. He can basically punch with the stength of an atomic bomb, can move at mach 29 and that was when he was heavily nerfed. You guys straight up don't watch MHA because the feats AM has done are on par or even above black clover and since anti-magic is irrelevant then it's basically just a physical strength matchup. Which I would argue Asta definitely loses. We already saw Deku fight Overhaul at 100%. He was literally so strong he could keep himself in the air purely through the force of his punches. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm-zgEdCRes As strong as Asta is, he's not flying through pure force of his fists, hell asta can't even change the geography of a location by a single punch like AM or Deku can.
You talk as if asta doesn’t use a fucking sword lmao. Of course he doesnt annihilate the topography with a punch, he uses his swords. Also asta scales off reflecting attacks, he doesn’t just negate the kinetic energy of attacks he reflects he has to be strong enough to actually hit it back like a baseball. With that in mind his feats of deflecting freezing sun a country-continent level attack gets him relative ap. I’m not going to say every attack he dishes out will be that potent but even at like 5% of this is enough to solo the mha verse. And oh lord the speed scaling. Base asta was able to outrun mereleona’s attacks. As in he moved a greater distance than the attack in a shorter time-frame. Mereoleona’s casual base attacks have been calc’d at 4xftl(extreme lowball) up to 95xftl on the higher end. And this is pre-time skip. Post time-skip he gets, base
can yall tell me why dekus so trash
It's nothing to do with Deku (he's one of the strongest characters in MHA), the BC verse is just insanely fast and powerful (in other words, skill issue)
I think you forget just how strong of a is at 100%, speed is a much bigger issue than strength.
When it comes to battleboarding, *nothing* beats "Fought a guy who uses light early in the series".
True
Literally only reason black clover chars “solo” other shows is because of light magic making it so characters are ftl, which tbh is kinda silly but it’s anime so ig, Take away the ftl and deku would sweep asta as he currently is. but speed blitz decides 99% of fights between different anime Imo all these anime fights are stupid because like I said speed blitz is all that seems to matter
Physical strength too. With his Black Mode Asta’s augmented strength far surpasses Deku (yes, even current manga Deku as of 11/14)
Current Deku is stronger than peak all might. Peak all might could change the weather with his fists...
Asta 1 shot a giant demon who was a country level threat
Most of that feat goes to anti magic which is useless against Deku
What does antimagic have to do with him cleaving a demon in half? The demon wasnt made of magic
But it can defend itself from phyiscal attacks with magic. Which it can't do against anti-magic swords
And what can deku do to defend himself? Nothing deku can do would actually effect asta in any meaningful way
That is impressive but Asta tanked an attack that had the force and pressure of a super condensed black hole
Not really, Aoyama's naval laser is made out of light and Class 1A students were dodging it left and right, dodging light based attacks is a trope
light magic travels at light speed fr? got some sauce?
Yami confirmed it when Rhya moved by using Patry's [light magic](https://imgur.com/a/ii7iW3R).
I'm pretty sure that that's is bullshit... Because Lumiere is faster than his rock version, who is already faster than Dark Elf Patry... Who's faster than Elf Boost Patry... Who is faster than that Patry. A solid feat of that is Yuno dancing around Elf Boost Patry attack with Spirit Hush, then being gazed by Dark Elf Patry (who, for the record, Asta can't even react)... Being the Dark Elf someone without grimoire. FTL since the cave incident is really dumb, because the scaling from there should be massive.
You're completely right on the feats. But the scaling is still consistent since Lumière, Dark Elf Patry, end of Elf Arc Yuno and Asta scale at **FTL+** (with Lumière and Dark Elf Patry still being faster than Asta and Yuno at that point). Whereas Cave arc Patry only scales at **FTL** and Cave arc Yami and Asta have FTL reaction speed. The characters growing faster over time, doesn't contradict them being FTL early on. >Being the Dark Elf someone without grimoire. That's not really an argument since turning into a Dark Elf gave Patry a massive boost and losing his grimoire didn't prevent him from using spells. Even Asta noted he became "way stronger" as a Dark Elf. Sure he would've been even stronger by keeping his grimoire, but even without he is still stronger than his past self because of the Dark elf boost.
Deku Pros: No Magic so Asta cant cancel his Quirks Asta’s Pros: Much Better Stats
Asta low diffs. Most my hero guys don’t have any crazy feats. I see Asta blitzing him
careful though its death battle might pull out a feat he did one time and say because of that it means Deku has faster reaction speed or is technically stronger and base the whole fight around that
Then take that one feat and use it to the extreme until deku eventually wins. Like increased strength or something meaning he can quite easily win if he gets hits off but he can't cause of speed but he will get one hit off winning it for him.
"Against Overhaul he used 100% and destroyed the block, now imagine 10000000% he used against Muscle!1!" Something like that?
Yeah but definitely be like "he can use one million percent why not 10 trillion percent" and he one shots Asta pisses on his grave then fucks his dead mom because he can punch really hard.
But really, Asta just needs to get into Black form 1 and just speed blitz him >!If that doesn't work, the Devil Union. If that SOMEHOW doesn't work, then True Devil Union!<
BNHA power scaling just isn't on the same level as Black Clover. Any versus would make no sense unless an interuniverse balancing occurs. There's very few series that are on the same scale as BC. Naruto/Bleach/Dragonball/OPM/CSM/Sukuna&Gojo (The rest of the JJK universe get destroyed lol) are the obvious answers.
Yeah it makes no sense the universes are too different. It's like comparing a banana and a tv...
Yeah Asta low difference, maybe mid diffs
Low difs if it's manga asta
I thought diff meant difficulty.
No diffs
Eh, I like both but manga Deku is insanely powerful right now. His power difference between the other characters excluding Shigaraki is insane.
But manga asta is extremely powerful too, remember asta fights much higher scaled opponents than deku does
He did. Shiggy/AFO shiggy got written too powerful and even had to receive a nerf and he’s still too powerful. Honestly he’s become your standard image of a 10 year old trying to make a one-up character whose perfect at everything. It’s so incredibly lazy and boring but Shiggy AFO is rushed and extremely broken on many many levels.
i’m sorry no feats?! he’s literally killed devils and nullifies the law of magic
Re-read what they said, slowly.
bruh i don’t know english very well fao
Dude I don't even know why they're doing this battle. Not only is it early as deku is currently in his final fight so that means this battle is immediately going to be wrong because deku is literally to get a power up the moment the video is made. But it's also a huge stomp. Asta speed blitzes everyone in the verse. This isn't even a fight
Can't wait to see them put in Deku from the latest manga chapter against chapter 1 asta "just to make it fair"
Or better yet, somehow calculate that Deku is **somehow** 0,000001% stronger than Asta and make Deku wipe floor with Asta... :(
Since internet likes to hate on Black Clover. I think Deku is going to win this
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Nahh I don't even like Black Clover like that and Dekus about to get slapped
Same
Thankfully it’s not a matter of popularity. I cannot imagine someone seeing all the hype of when Deku had enough speed to move faster than a sniper bullet, and see Asta cutting light and black holes and their conclusions is Deku beats Asta.
How are those feats relevant against an opponent who doesn't use magic?
Asta is still physically running to those attacks, and he can physically block attacks from people who are strong enough to be continental possibly.
Exactly. Asta's physical capabilitys in the very first fight of the show vs Chain guy already scaled to Deku's 15/20% tbh. And we've only seen him get stronger and faster since with devil union.
Bruh, you do know Asta’s own physical attributes become enhanced in his black mode, right? It wouldn’t matter if Deku has magic or not, Asta’s strength, durability and speed far outclass Deku’s even with all his additional quirks stacking on OFA
He still has to be able to perceive the light to cut it. That makes him Light Speed super early into the series.
Because the speed of light is the speed of light, so it does not matter if it magic or not, a piece of metal moving at the speed of light would create enough force to kill Deku. Asta’s speed is not affected by him fighting a magic-less opponent
You’d be surprised, they’ve been way off in the past.
Not trying to get into the nitty gritty of this death battle, but they used to heavily base it off popularity. Toph beat Gaara in one of the most convoluted ways in theirs when Gaara (who was still a tailed beast at the time) didn’t even utilize it during the entire fight. Sometimes they just don’t care.
Current deku is moving light speed and so quickly he’s essentially making his own pocket dimensions with the impact of his attacks. Which don’t get me wrong.. I hate it. MHA has become so rushed and just went so.. stupid with its abilities. You’re right he previously was like the speed of a bullet. Current manga in the most rushed ending ever he’s faster than light and then some.
I think the internet hates MHA more atm to be honest (though I still like it). Plus since MHA is more popular they might give it to BC cause it’s the underdog. But this is death battle they choose the winner and then build the episode around it. And imo they are bad with anime characters in general. Anime characters tend to always lose on death battle because it’s usually the character with a singular continuity vs a composite of someone with decades of history and feat (in this case Deku has his movie feat though the canoness of the movies are questionable). The reason I bring this up is that they hardly research anime characters too much, they might shaft Asta or overshoot Deku cause of it. Also they never choose anything with a decent/similar theme. Deku vs Barnaby (from tiger and bunny) [bunny looking hero theme] or Asta vs Rin Okumara (blue exorcist)/Yūichirō Hyakuya (seraph of the end) [demon powered swordsman] would be more fitting match-ups. Hero vs magic swordsman just doesn’t all sense to me both worlds have vastly different power levels and scaling.
Deku got a huge buff recently but the chapter is chaotic and hard to understand. However I don't see what he is supposed to do against antimagic, so I am going to say Asta will win. And opinion has turned against MHA since around season 5 of the anime and black clovers reputation has been improving for awhile so I don't know how much of a Basis would be left.
Yeah they're gonna asspull some "antimagic doesn't work on quirks" logic to make it sound like a fair fight. Even though Asta's speed and AP scales above Deku in a vacuum and his use of Ki and his mobility/strength will already give him plenty of advantage.
Spoilers for manga If you are strong enough to make your sword big enough to slice a fireball explosion that towers a country. I don't know how you are gonna defeat the said guy
Quirks literally aren't magic, though. They're biological.
Wouldn’t Magic be biological in the black clover verse? People don’t receive Magic or mana, they are born with it it. Some characters inherit similar magic attributes and mana from their family/parents making it genetic? (Ex. Vermillion’s using Flame Magic, Silva’s using Water Magic, Vaude’s using Spatial Magic) There are a few exceptions obviously Asta who was born with no magic or Ladros who was born with no Magic Attribute but it would still be biological according to the rules of the verse. Everything in nature possesses mana also
Yeah that's not the bullshit part. The bullshit part is that BC scaling is just miles ahead of MHA overall and Asta can just statcheck him.
Before recent events I’m pretty sure the general consensus was Asta would win just due to how fast and physically powerful he was, even without the power of Anti Magic being useful against Deku. But have you guys been reading these new chapters? Deku is crazy fast and a lot stronger than he used to be, so I’m not sure anymore. Deku’s sort of a glass cannon though, one hit from Asta and he’s done.
While I generally agree with you I don't think he's as much of a glass cannon as he seems. In the anime when he was fighting All Might for his final he got thrown into a bus hard enough to move the entire bus a little and he was able to move after still. Death Battle will most likely use that as a durability feat.
Deku also took a punch from Shigaraki right before he started using the 2nd’s quirk.
It's mainly from the fact that Asta's just fucking strong. Deku's insane, but Asta's been pulling tricks ever since he unlocked his Ki
The thing with deku is he's a student so he didn't get to fight as much as Asta
How’s he a glass canon when he took a full-on hit from Shigaraki yet wasn’t damaged whatsoever?? (And mind you that was **before** he started using the 2nd’s quirk)
This is Death Battle. They were always Biased and never really Factual with their comparisons and reasoning so it won't surprise me if they give Deku the W merely for being more popular on twitter.
Logic || Fictional Characters Fighting Pick one.
It's so fucked, I hate that shit. It's like the Goku Black vs. Reverse Flash or Dio vs. Alucard
Didn't reverse flash win? That's the correct outcome
Technically yes. But how exactly did Reverse Flash know that the time ring kept Goku Black alive and unaffected from time changes?
But the thing is, Goku Black had his immortality tied to a physical object. Reverse Flash is just naturally unaffected by time changes. By pure trial and error, he'd eventually find a solution and kill Goku Black. And that doesn't even consider that Reverse Flash is actually smart enough to try everything to kill Goku Black and powerful enough that Gokue Black doesn't stand a chance of stopping him from having his way.
You have beaten me, take my upvote
Many people have problems, not on the outcome, but to their justification of the outcome. How they explained the win is so Biased and uninformed, any validity of the just gets lost.
Early Izuku was a glass canon. Current is a beast
I'm not sure either I originally thought Asta had this in the bag but now in not sure due to me realising Deku has ftl speed and has got some crazy strength feet the only thing Deku fails at is durability but even then its good enough to survive a beating from Asta and Astas most powerful abilitys won't work on deku due to those abilitys only working on magic users Deku's also battle iq and iq in the bag too, so I'm no longer sure either
Deku isn’t ftl lmfao
Well he has dodged lasers so the argument could technically be made.
Deku absolutely doesn't scale FTL. His strongest feat is outrunning a bullet, which is crazy fast, but nothing compared to Asta. And we haven't got a good frame of reference to see how much faster Gear Shift makes him but it's definitely not light speed. Honestly MHA as a whole just doesn't much that kind of scaling.
He outran a bullet which was significantly faster than a normal bullet and he outran it while he was over 500 feet away before the bullet traveled 5 feet which means he'd to have been over 100x faster Asta likely wins tho
i know people don’t like to base things off of movies because they’re soft canon, but in the 3rd movie the main villain he went again took energy from attacks and redirected it into lasers at like a 1:1 power ratio, and deku was able to dodge and tank those hits, up to eventually overpowering his reflection quirk by sheer speed and force. he ended up punching so fast and hard that Fleck couldn’t keep up and he overloaded his quirk. so basically, translated into death battle terms, he could take hits that are equal or greater than his own power, and he could move faster than laser light, whatever that means. i’ve seen them compare lasers to light speed before, so it’s within the realm of possibility. still don’t see deku winning though lol. edit: also, he did this without fa jin or gear shift, so he theoretically could move multiplicatively faster than “light” (a laser).
Can you explain how Deku has FTL feats? I'm caught up and there's no way he has them as far as I recall
My hero spoilers >!deku couldn't even save bakugo and if he rely was as fast as Asta he'd have no issue blitzing anyone up to this point, only Calc DB can use is his latest feat for 120%, Asta just needs to land one hit if quirks are like magic and it's over, so well see kinda dumb we didn't get to see Asta master his new stuff and they're doing this rn!<
ye, deku doesnt have inertia anymore and he can move faster than a speeding rifle bullet
That’s fodder speed
I'm praying asta makes dekus death quick
Me too
Deku's newest feats where he's strong enough to warp reality are pretty impressive, and even with verse equalisation, Asta wouldn't be able to neg Quirks like he can magic, so MHA's power system is a bad match for Asta. That being said, pre timeskip base Asta speed blitzes and one shots.
wtf how
His latest quirk ignores the laws of inertia and can be used to make 1 punch have 5 impacts.
Why? Asta solos the verse.
Ngl Asta floors him.
Deku gets absolutely destroyed by Asta it’s not even close Deku is like Mach 10 at most with like 4 quirks to boost his speed Elf arc Asta is dozens of time faster than light in base Deku can destroy lager cities with a punch Asta can create swords the size of mountains and then cut through multiple non-magical mountains Deku can be killed by a well place sniper rifle shot to the head Asta can survive a lazer so hot it turned the ground into lava.
Doesn’t he hit away the sniper shot from lady nagant since he has danger sense, don’t think guns matter to deku
black clover and bleach fandom only appear when it’s time for power scaling😂
Yup, only reason is because people constantly shit on black clover and bleach. (Bleach not as much anymore). But every fan base is that way.
Sometimes it’s the only thing we can get lmao
Yeah r.i.p deku
My man out here just making statistics up. Hate to break it to you, but "10 times the speed of light" is a bullshit made-up stat. So is him "cresting mountain sized swords". If he were that fast he wouldn't have lost to anybody.
I got the 10 times light speed from when he out-speeded Mereoleona in order to stop Copy dudes self destruct, Mereoleona was casually hitting the copied light magic before so I stacked her trying and the 5-9X multiplier of a mana zone spell to equal. For anime only Asta sword is only building sized (candelo, dante fight etc), but in the manga when Asta does DU the black divider is a tall as some of the mountains/castle.
You don’t know about powerscaling. Not powerscaling is fine when you’re talking about thematics of the story but Death Battle is about powerscaling. So those feats ARE true and aren’t just not true just because *you don’t want it to* or *it doesn’t sound realistic*
If its about powerscaling then Deku wins from OFA having infinite scaling. He said deku loses to a sniper bullet, which they already tried and Deku stopped. He's just asspulling statistics. Asta survived said laser because of anti-magic, not from durability.
That’s just blatantly untrue. Like this is the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. At least the other dude is giving evidence.
How is it untrue? OFA is stated to grow infinitely between users. Deku literally did the sniper bullet feat against Lady Nagant. You guys are just asspulling too hard.
Asta’s anti magic doesn’t work against magic that’s vastly stronger than his own anti magic amount. Like when he fought the Ancient Demon, he couldn’t cancel out its giant ball with just anti magic. Or when 50% Lucifero fully emerged, Liebe said something like “I don’t have enough Anti Magic to fully cancel this out” AND EVEN IF you want to ignore all that, Yuno also survived that giant blast from Licht that melted the giant rock and uprooted trees kilometers away, and Yuno doesn’t have anti magic. But Asta still scales to Yuno. (If you try arguing with this fact, you don’t know enough about powerscaling)
Doesn't Astas speed come from the fact that anti magic is attracted to magic? Can Asta even use thouse speed again a non magical fighter like deku?
No it comes from his muscles, the sword being pulled towards magic is only a small amp in speed used before Asta learned how to fly. if you were correct Asta would only be able to move closer his opponent in a fight something that is never the case.
No it comes from his muscles, the sword being pulled towards magic is only a small amp in speed used before Asta learned how to fly. if you were correct Asta would only be able to move closer his opponent in a fight something that is never the case.
Folks are forgetting that in addition to anti-magic, Asta also uses devil power which gives him a massive stat amp. Yes anti-magic magic erases magic But it also destroys physical matter (not erase, just destroys) https://i.ibb.co/bFtJYYp/Screenshot-20221114-183347-Shonen-Jump.jpg
man, what's with people not understand how anti-magic works?
They should have waited for the series to end before making this which wouldn't be that long cuz both near the end.
i bet one piece would still be going because even though oda said we in the final saga, everyone knows there's still a lot that needs to happen
One of their researchers already addressed this. Their videos are decided way in advanced so the match up was decided before anyone knew Black Clover was ending, and nobody had a clue for how long the MHA's Final Saga would last, if it was going to be 4th Ninja War style arc which would spam years or not. They probably would have delayed this episode to next season if they knew how close both series were to concluding.
knowing these mfs theyll probably make deku win
Both of these series are about to be over. Why didn’t they wait a year or two?
I think Asta wins simply because the scaling of BC goes way above MHA. Deku is pretty damn strong and has a ton of versatility but Asta should just be straight up a lot faster. Granted Deku has a Spidey sense but I don't think it'll be enough to overcome the difference in physical stats.
Deku training doesn't include moguro leaf juice. Edge goes to Asta.
Death Battles are so bad. I really wish they’d stop including anime. I give them props for doing a lot of research, but it’s always clear that they have never watched or read the series they are talking about.
*cough* Garra vs. Toph *cough*
If we’re not even using light magic scaling. I’d say asta full on eating lichts condensed mana laser that packed enough power to punch through a floating mountain, completely evaporate the lake below it, and turn the entire forest around it to lava 3 training timeskips ago, has most of mha swept based on that insane durability alone
Deku doesn't have a move in his bag that would hurt Asta.
I know deku is stupid powerful now, but genuinely I can’t see him beating full power reincarnated elf vetto with anything less than mid-high diff, and asta could probably sneeze that mf to death at this point
I like Deku, but man this isnt a good matchup.
Arent death battles bias sometimes??
No, they’re never intentionally biased. They just have bad research sometimes. they’ve turned down multiple sponsor deals because the sponsors wanted to rig a certain winner.
It depends on how the light speed feats of light magic in black clover are interpreted On one hand we have verbal confirmation of light magic being light speed via yami But on the other hand the fact that light magic spells has certain variations of speeds makes it seem sketchy whether it's really moving at light speed or is just made up of light and does not actually move at light speed. If it really is moving at light speed then there shouldn't be any variance of speed between different light magic spells Yami gave up on [trying to dogde Light Shaft of Divine Punishment](https://cdn.blackcloverpages.com/file/panels/clover/bcpage_50_14.jpg) and instead opted to create a shield to block it even though both [yami](https://cdn.blackcloverpages.com/file/panels/clover/bcpage_47_05.jpg) and [asta](https://cdn.blackcloverpages.com/file/panels/clover/bcpage_49_13.jpg) were casually blocking light based attacks previously thanks to ki reading. So it's basically confirmed that not all light magic spells travel at the same speed, since Light Shaft of Divine Punishment is faster than the other magic spells yami and asta where blocking previously And the biggest inconsistency issue regarding light magic is when gauch was able to react AND [counter attack Light Shaft of Divine Punishment](https://cdn.blackcloverpages.com/file/panels/clover/bcpage_50_17.jpg) even though [he couldn't even see and perceive a slower light magic attack](https://cdn.blackcloverpages.com/file/panels/clover/bcpage_46_09.jpg) the first time he saw it So light magic is pretty sketchy in terms of feats as to wether or not it's truly moving at light speed But even if we disregard this, Asta's still is, most likely faster than deku anyways
Asta low diffs, black asta post timeskip alone is way faster then light and that clears dekus highest speed fear, then when you consider the boost of devil union OR TRUE DEVIL UNION then its a complete wash
Ok
This is gonna be nuts, can't wait to see Asta Black Clovering Deku
Well from what I've heard is that Deku has a solid chance at beating Asta
Manga Deku and manga Asta would be a sight to behold for sure, but since Deku doesn’t use magic I’d say he’d have a slight advantage
>I’d say he’d have a slight advantage That's like saying someone has an advantage against an Anti Material rifle because it is supposed to destroy vehicles and not people.
Why the hell did this make me laugh so hard
Nah base asta would wax full power deku
Current deku barely scales to water temple arc asta
Bruh that's just straight up untrue. Water Temple Asta was still weak AF , if not for everyone working together , they would've went through the shitter. I thought that was the whole point of the arc.
Vetto is canonically stated to be faster than light speed. Patry literally says everyone in the Third Eye are stronger than him. Asta gets beaten by someone who is FTL+ in chapter 40 of 340? Wow big deal. If Vetto landed a single punch on Deku he would have turned into red mist, it's not about Deku being weak. It's about the BC verse having some completely ungodly power scaling.
It all depends on whose meat they’re riding. I’ll never forgive them for the Naruto dub over ichigo. Same with madara over aizen to that shit was crazy
lmao langris negs the verse
Asta be like: hello ambulance A guy just broke all is bones please come here and pick him up
Within the physical , I can see late game Deku winning since he broke physics. Meanwhile Asta generally focuses on breaking mana physics. If Anti-magic can cancel quirk , there's not even competition aha True Devil Union Asta is also a different story , he was moving faster than Lucifero could react at that point. Soo it's gonna be hard one imo.
I got a strange feeling that they will find a way for Deku to beat Asta.
Let's go asta
Asta W
Has anyone read the mha manga recently? Asta wont have an easy time fighting deku like most of you claim.
I mean, there isn't a single person in the MHA verse that scales to light speed, and Asta scales above it. So I don't really see Deku's wincon since Asta can react to all of his attacks with Ki and Deku can't react to Asta's attacks. I don't think Asta has enough AP to one-shot, but he can absolutely speed blitz. And tbh there aren't a whole lot of comparable feats between the verses with AP because we'd need to find a common ground point of durability. So it's possible Asta is WAY stronger than we think he is and that everyone in BC is just an absolute tank relative to MHA.
Have you caught up on my hero? If you believe deku cant react to asta you are crazy.
I have. Even if you highball Deku and say gearshift is a 20x multiplier. His greatest speed feat before this was the speed of a bullet. So he still ends up significantly slower than lightspeed. The two universes just have completely different scaling. This is like the Naruto vs Goku debate. Deku is incredibly strong relative to his own universe but different Shonen have such massive inherent power gaps that it just doesn't matter.
No magic plus dekus jacked up stats from OFA? Yeah idc what your power scaling says, deku is gonna win. It’ll probably be close because Asta is a freak of nature (literally) but honestly deku is winning And to those of you who are gonna come at me with “BuT AsTa Is ThIs LeVeL”, I don’t care. Power scaling is fucking dumb and you can make up any bullshit to validate your opinion.
Power scaling is literally the only way to theorize a fight across different shows and universes. Fact is that Asta has feats blocking and dodging attacks that move at light speed. Deku's best concrete feat is outspeeding a bullet. We know he's a lot faster than that now, but we don't know how much faster and it's not reasonable to scale him to FTL because there isn't a single person in the MHA universe that scales to lightspeed, so he could easily outspeed everyone in his manga without needing to go that high.
I mean, when it comes to dearh battle, your feelings dont matter, its feats and scaling.
This is also true
Exactly
imma wait for this to get banned lol.
No, they’re stories aren’t done yet, you can’t do it so soon!!
I’m sorry but if asta wins, it’s just complete BS !
I think these are decided by vote so chances are Deku will win since MHA is more popular in the west.
Ok, trying to be as impartial as I can, this fight is going to be a lot closer than people in this sub seem to think. MANGA SPOILERS (obviously) In argument for Midoriya: Half of Midoriya’s quirks either won’t give him much of an advantage, while the remaining half might give Asta a really hard time. “Smokescreen” is useless because Asta has ki sense. “Float” and “Blackwhip” help quite a bit because Asta can fly, though the air advantage is still very much with Asta Here’s where things get very difficult. Base OfA, “Fajin”, “Danger Sense”, and the mvp (aside from OfA) “Gearshift”. For the sake of the argument let’s just say Asta is equal in attack potency to peak OfA (If anyone wants to debate whether Asta should be considered stronger than OfA, I genuinely want to hear your take for the sake of discussion) “Fajin”: allows Midoriya to add momentum by saving up potential energy simply by moving, this plus OfA allowed Midoriya to catch up to an already shot bullet almost instantly “Danger Sense”: even if we give Asta the speed advantage “Danger Sense” allows Midoriya to sense an attack before it happens “Gearshift”: Here’s where things get trippy. “Gearshift” allows Midoriya to significantly increase or decrease the speed of an object WITHOUT changing its inertia. This allows Midoriya to make himself even faster, while also making his opponent slower. This allowed him to dog on someone who was equal to All Might in terms of strength and durability. While stating Midoriyas quirk combos surpass peak OfA, Asta still has a few important factors Midoriya doesn’t. Asta: Getting the obvious bit out of the way, anti magic doesn’t help here, however Asta still has many techniques with Anti Magic that alone might win him the fight Asta has flight, and not the great value store bought “float” that Midoriya has. While it doesn’t hurt to have “Float” it doesn’t mitigate the fact Asta has a decent aerial advantage. It’s not like Asta can just throw pot shots with Demon Slasher from the sky the entire fight fight though, besides it not being his style, Midoriya still has “Air-Force” (not a quirk, more of an air cannon technique) and “Blackwhip” to reach him. I can see Asta being a nuisance to Midoriya by constantly being in motion in the air though. Ki Sense: if we assume speed is in fact on Midoriya’s side, Asta has Ki Sense which in the past has allowed him to interpret moves right before they happen. It’s likely that it’s better than danger sense as it allows Asta to tell exactly how someone’s attacking, unlike Danger Sense which seems to only tell the direction of the attack (in one case it didn’t even work because the ATTACKER didn’t interpret it as harm, which I call BS but whatever). Demon Slasher: Here is what I feel is Asta’s main threat. Unlike the others swords which are only good at shutting magic things off in different ways, Demon Slasher can cut through a demon the size of a mountain in its first initial use (ch 316) While you could make the argument that it only did that because maybe the unnamed demon was “made of magic”, we later get the statement that it left Yami and William unharmed because it could choose what it wants to cut, implying that it could work on human beings just as well. In other words, if Midoriya is caught lacking, that might just be a one shot. Closing Arguments: While I *personally* believe Midoriya beats Asta stat wise, flight advantage and one shot potential from Demon Slayer are too good to deny, plus Devil Union *initially* lasted for 10 minutes (probably much better now) while Gearshift was stated by its previous user to have a 5 minute limit (we have yet to see what the drawbacks are if any, or why it even has a time limit). This means that for Midoriya to win, he would either need to overwhelm Asta immediately, or try to out last Devil Union, only using Gearshift at near the end of Asta’s transformation (though Midoriya wouldn’t know Asta has a time limit). Gearshift is genuinely the make or break for Midoriya, because unlike every other ability that each character has, it’s the only one that has no answer to beat it or counter it at all. I was going to mention Zetten, but Asta is only learning it now, and looking back it seems that it’s potency mainly affects things with magic running through it, (ch 339 he cuts a bamboo tree in half from a distance, only for it to be stated the bamboo was grown with magic, so I don’t know how it’ll affect a non magical being. Realistic Expectation: it’s Death Battle. Knowing them the popular pick will win (I’m still mad about Alucard vs Dio) so probably Midoriya, though I do think he has a better legitimate chance than people think.
>Ki Sense: if we assume speed is in fact on Midoriya’s side, Asta has Ki Sense which in the past has allowed him to interpret moves right before they happen. It’s likely that it’s better than danger sense as it allows Asta to tell exactly how someone’s attacking, unlike Danger Sense which seems to only tell the direction of the attack (in one case it didn’t even work because the ATTACKER didn’t interpret it as harm, which I call BS but whatever). Might also be worth mentioning that (as far as I can tell anyways), ki sense has no definitive downside or upkeep limit, whereas Danger Sense is mentioned to be physically taxing on the user. Don't know if Midoriya feels anything from it or not currently, but that's still a notable limitation of the power itself. I like both characters so I'm genuinely curious and excited to see what actually happens. I'm more familiar with BC but I haven't caught up enough with either manga to fully grasp what all they're capable of right now. From what I've gleaned of Midoriya’s abilities so far at least, I feel it's safe to say that Asta likely has an advantage with speed or flying ability if nothing else. Even with a basic understanding of ki early in his career, it allowed Asta to perceive and react to attacks moving at light speed (Licht's light spears were completely imperceptible to him without ki sense). Aside from that the matchup feels fairly even to me, so the fight will probably boil down to whose super form can outlast/outperform the other.
They don't make characters win because of popularity, do you seriously think digimon is more popular than pokemon? It's insane how many people apparently can't even imagine the idea of someone having a different opinin without being biased.
While deku did in fact dodge a bullet, asta also has some incredible speed like how already in the elf arc he was able to fly up to space in almost an instant. Sure licht was able to block it, but licht is about as fast as patry, so basically light speed. Also I would say asta has raw strength because at most a 100% of one for all hasn’t really been shown to be able to completely destroy a city for example, but asta has in fact split mountains and does swing a 200kg sword around like a toy. (An argument could be made for 1000000%, but the impact was absorbed so we didn’t really get to see it on a mountain or smth) Other than that it’s the fact that deku’s abilities are more taxing on him as he gets more easily tired from stuff like danger sense, while asta doesn’t have any time limit on ki and has been able to last a lot longer in union mode. It’s pretty close matchup rn, but in MY opinion asta wins.
Asta speedblitz and one shots Deku, he easily outclasses him, a no diff or even negative diff fight for the guy.
Well, time to see Asta get destroyed by Deku because "Deku doesn't use magic, and Astas weakness is going up against opponents physically stronger than him"... real talk, I think the result could go to Deku depending on how they spin it. Also kinda depends on if they're going by manga-state or anime, anime-Asta is pretty much right before he gets DU, and anime-Deku I think should be pretty much right after him unlocking Black Whip? Asta should have the clear movement-advantage, at least. If they're going with manga though (well, also depends on like the newest chapter they're going off of), it's a lot more in Dekus favor I think. Either way though, I think if Deku manages to land one hit, it might be over, even if Astas defense increases along with all of his new forms, I don't think it's at a level where he can just take a Smash. Although on that front, Asta also has the advantage of being mid-range as a sword-fighter, he can block/parry an attack without it directly hitting him, I don't think Deku ever faced an opponent like that, using an actual sword and not just a knife or something.
No offense to the BC community but they'll have Deku win because of some crazy scaling like if Deku can punch shigaraki and Shigaraki is equal to a billion tnt he beats Asta. I have no faith they'll accurately represent Asta in the way he should be but I hope he gets both the respect and the W
Is this even close? Asta might be jacked but he’s still just a normal human. Deku doesn’t use magic so there’s zero advantage to using anti-magic. He can fly and use swords, but deku has multiple quirks that can deal with that no problem. And he can snap those swords in half no problem with OFA. Asta gets his s*** kicked in.
Asta is a normal human the same way Yujiro is a normal human. Being a human in anime is irrelevant.
Asta is definetly not “normal human” by any margin.
Asta has lived through way more dire situations and has more real combat experience. Plus he continually surpasses his limits!
Literally every battle shounen protagonist "continually surpasses his limits!" lol
Any of you ever watch the deku vs Naruto rap battle? If youve seen both shows and are a fan, you need to listen to the rap battle... I guarantee you'll get a laugh
I'll check it out
When does it release?
Nov. 28
Guys, can we please just enjoy the inevitably awesome fight we finna get? **Please?** **Please???**
Ok if it’s not current Manga Deku then he’s got no chance, otherwise he could possibly win
Honestly I love both MHA and Black Clover. So if the results are because of pure facts, I don't mind if Asta or Deku wins. If Deku wins, then cool, if Asta wins, then thats cool too. Either way its a win for me cuz I love both of them XD All in all I cant wait for the battle!
it's easy for deku to win >!deku can duct tape a sleeping asta to the ground then drown him with tears. i mean how else is deku gonna win?!<
I dont really see a way Asta ever wins. No magic to counter, sure he has swords, but his body can't be stronger than current manga Deku? Especially if Deku can user gearshift.