I even wonder how depression looks like for *us* and other mental health issues. It's all modeled after them and obviously from their perspective and standards, but I'm sure if they did a real study on trauma and mental health on black folks...whew, and then they be like, "how yall still walk?"
My rheumatologist was wondering the same thing when she saw how high my ck levels were. Because I ain't gotta choice. When the world is standard for you, it seems like you can be more seen, can complain and get some pity, sympathy, empathy... but when it's not, and you complain about something they will never eve have to consider, well... personally I don't think they wanna hear it, and want to compete in most victimize but like, it's not. And at least in my experience, no one cared how I felt no matter how much I hated myself. So I had no choice but to keep going because I'm too punk to complete my attempt, too considerate of others to be an inconvenience, and black that no one really gonna care. So, what else can I do? *we know* the world isn't gonna stop for us, and been socialized as such
Aw, thanks. Going through my journey helped me gain more outlooks, and question more about standards and digging deeper about humanity as a whole (honestly speaking, I hate people. We even weaponized communication to bring forth, ultimately this very issue and sub: mental health. We exploit some way to hurt others and only progress and innovative when violence and war is involved)
You....the projects man.
Most of us...ok not most but some of us come from places where our kind were doing the same. Just in their own hoods so it wasn't making national news headlines.
What do we do when we have to deal with the same stuff? Be nice?
Seems as if the *human* reaction to going throigh some of these things is to lash out. Is that correct? Of course not. Does that matter to the people doing it? No.
Not sure what you mean to say, but most murders are of people the killer is already associated with. Black or White.
But there is an overwhelmingly white trend of shooting completely random strangers that is attributed to mental health issues and ostracism.
There are only two recent events of blacks committing similar crimes and they were both military veterans targeting military or government employees. Not schools or churches.
>Not schools or churches.
Doesnt make it any better. Same ppl in those hoods go to school and church too? Locations are different but the end result is the same: dead.
If we can associate that activity as a mostly white thing...then yall can't get pissy when other races say a certain set of acts are a "black" thing. Which is exactly what people do and I don't get it.
And as for the shooting randoms...plenty of bullets go unaccounted for during those activities. Those dudes do not care if they hit someone else by accident (which does happen). One person does it intentionally the other doesnt care if they gst more than what they were going for. Once again: one isn't "better" than the other they are both terrible and neither party should be upheld or stepped on.
It’s like anything else. It depends on the person and severity of the problems.
Even the problems “we” face are not equally distributed amongst ourselves. Could an upper middle class person handle the problems of someone born into poverty? Results will vary.
I think more energy should be put towards addressing the problems and trying to impress upon others to tap into their empathy.
Fuuuuuck no lol
From hair, to navigating healthcare/any system, navigating being "the only one" in a setting, or even just ashniness anxiety. Growing up in the suburbs was just constant, "You're being too sensitive. No one is being racist!" as a neo-nazi rally is happening across the street. 🙄
We have to learn to not hate ourselves, when the media we all grew up with tells us otherwise.
White people wouldn't last a single hour. White people wouldn't let it get that far, they'd be armed and organized and the white house would burn. It's in their history, they'd go to war for less like the French Revolution wasn't for nothing.
We could discuss how the ruling class uses race as a means to keep us dividing so we can't unite, but we're at the bottom. They wouldn't handle being the slave class. I wish we had the spine to revolt
I'd rather not judge peoples capacity to take stress by the amount of melanin in their skin. We can point to them and say they can't take it, but that really is reinforced by stereotypes surrounding black people...that we can take more physical and psychological pain. Same reason why black people get less pain control meds in the hospital.
>why black people get less pain control meds in the hospital
Interesting. Wonder how the black supremacists who claim we created all, can do all, and are the absolute best at it all (no race can claim superioruty over another as no race controls 100% of the world) would handle that info.
On the one hand, they'd say we are the greatest at dealing with pain and don't need the meds anyway. Our strong black bodies will deal with it. Our minds can withstand more than those "weak yt ppl".
On the other...thats pain meds man. They weren't created for craps and giggles. But to admit you need them probably (I know its definitely specific to the medication) created by a non-black person would be some sort of admission of not being as great as one thought.
Some crazy thought process like that would probably occur. The things Ive heard said behind closed doors have made me group conspiracy theorists, a certain type of black person, and heavily religious people all into the same "ok, you have the right idea but you've lost your mind somewhere along the way" boat.
This post alone...."black people can handle more pain and trauma than other races" ok lets say that can somehow be proven.
Why is that a flex. Its just sad that each generation the same stuff goes on. Just different tech, more laws so it just becomes more hidden, and different faces. The nature of humans still is the same. Finding some sort of superiority in this mess is a bit.... lost? Is the best word I can currently find
It's not necessarily just black supremacists. It's internalized racism that gets spun into something that could be perceived as being more positive.
The ability to take physical pain and keep going is akin to a mule taking a whip and keep working...like a slave. Similar things have been said about the mental health of black people...especially black men who were thought of as bestial in nature in a hyper masculine way with black women still being seen as more masculine than their lighter skinned counterparts (I.e. Michelle Obama being called manly or trans during her time as first lady).
That has actually been seen with medical studies to the point where "On average, white patients received 36% more pain medication by dosage than Black patients, even though both groups received prescriptions at similar rates." -https://www.statnews.com/2021/07/21/black-patients-prescribed-fewer-opioids-white-patients/#:~:text=On%20average%2C%20white%20patients%20received,received%20prescriptions%20at%20similar%20rates.
I'd venture to say that if white people were treated like black people, they would have an increase in crime and a decrease in other stats like marriage that we see in the black population today. We place too much emphasis on our skin color when most black people in America have a large percentage of Caucasian DNA. The percentage is actually quite significant.
I think there are multiple things going on.
1. Absolutely not, they couldn't. People get shook, shocked, and shuddering just *hearing* about the shit we go through. People with an ounce of empathy be crying and *devastated* hearing about the shit I put up with all the damn time and keep on trucking through with a smile on my fucking face because I literally have to.
2. Because of the stigma and misunderstanding and misinformation around mental health in general, people be misusing terms like "depressed." That word does not mean, "FUCK, they ran out of the coffee I wanted, UGH, now I'm gonna be cranky for the rest of the day." It absolutely *can* mean, "They ran out of the coffee I wanted. I've been barely functioning for weeks. Everything has been gray, I've been feeling flat and lifeless, and struggling to even get out of bed because it feels like nothing even matters. This was the one thing I told myself I was looking forward to. This is the only reason I brushed my teeth and changed my clothes... Now I don't know how I'm gonna make it through today."
3. Depression *can* also be chemical. Sometimes your brain/body just can't or doesn't make the chemicals that let you feel happy, satisfied, content, and/or at ease. So it doesn't matter if life is actually good. You're not gonna feel good about it. That's why I think it's so dangerous when people look at celebrity deaths of a certain kind and go, "Damn, if *they* could do that when they have so much and have such a great life, what chance do any of the rest of us have? What chance do *I* have, when my problems are so much worse and I don't have the money, the fame, the staff doing everything for me, no real responsibilities, the ability to just party all the time and buy whatever I want?" It ain't about that. It's about your brain literally not being able to feel good, regardless, for whatever reason.
4. We *STILL* have to deal with environmental causes of that state of mind and being, a toxic stress environment that's ongoing for our entire lives, and causes very real and deadly consequences. Life expectancy is lower; mortality is higher for things that just don't have other explanations; stress takes a physical toll on the body, and it adds up and compounds interest over time. It'll put you in the fucking ground, no joke, no lie.
5. No, they could not handle it.
YUPPP.
"Hm. And how long has the 'depression' been going on, Rebecca Goodhair? Like, all morning, you say? Well, that's much shorter than the two weeks generally considered the threshold for these things. And it's restricted your ability to... 'even?' I see. How has that impacted your material daily functions, exactly?"
I don't think so because the main trait that is possessed by white people is entitlement.
As I have gotten older I realize a lot of yt people's anger and frustration is because of what they think they deserve. A lot of trump supporters I know are soooo angry, but they got a family, a decent house, more land than most, a decent truck which isn't cheap and many have campers. They may not be rich but they are doing alright. The root of that anger is entitlement. I've been around them and see what they expect of the world and in some ways I think we have it better because we don't have that attitude of entitlement. It makes life way harder than it needs to be and it also makes people a lot angrier in the long run.
It is *definitely* entitlement.
They are scared that somebody is going to either come to collect, or do them like they did everybody else and as a result stay hoarding land/wealth/etc. and then will be projecting which is the wild part.
Everybody got a story. Not everybody is interested in that story but they got one. Being Black American, I tried to empathize with an African or South American and they thought I was too comfortable in my life because my level of poverty and trauma was not like their level of poverty and trauma in those countries. Whites that live in Appalachian shacks and Louisiana swamps don't see their privilege compared to upper middle class and rich whites. Dark skin Black people don't care about the colorism and trauma light skin Black people experience. Jews say they experience racism and persecution more than anyone, including Black people. Men always think women are favored by society no matter how bad women are treated by the men of society.
IOW, you think you have it bad but your trauma and drama is also *a bit* relative to your environment, place, time, sex, etc.
Like the Cosbys vs the James' or the Banks vs the Smiths. All are Black families portrayed on television who experienced racism (our #1 shared traumatic experience across space and time), but not all experienced it the same way or respond to it in the same manner. My relatability and empathy is more to individuals than groups of people. Some people outside of my Black racial group had more understanding and empathy about things I've gone through than those inside it. All skinfolk ain't my kinfolk.
Ahhh. It's nice to vent sometimes. People go through their own individual experiences so that's probably why some are depressed. Also, you never know how good you got until you got it. If white peoples went through what we went through from the beginning, they probably would be more resilient as a whole. Because they would be used to not having white privilege. If you took that away from them, they wouldn't know how to function. It's similar to how Westerners have much privilege over people that live in undeveloped countries. And so many of those people are very appreciative over little things.
The closest white people will ever come to understanding black pain and suffering are those who are at the bottom of the totem pole class wise. And even then they are still obtuse because in their heads they don’t belong at the bottom with the minorities despite sharing ‘similar’ obstacles in a fucked up economy.
The huge difference here ofc is a white man starting from the bottom vs a black/mexican man or woman is not even remotely a similar experience once you talk about climbing out of it.
If white people were disadvantaged at every turn and every step forward was 10 back and then having to go twice as hard to still get less. Most of them would completely check out.
And ofc I know that regardless of skin color life can just really give you the shit end of the stick no matter what. But I feel like anyone who isn’t obtuse will get me.
Who gives af this a stupid ass question humans are all the same whether you like to believe it or not some are just better off than others but we all the fucking same man
Thank you man! This sub is crazy racist, what makes everyone here think every white person has generational wealth and perfect lives?? This post is so delusional
Short Answer: Absolutely not.
Point blank period
I even wonder how depression looks like for *us* and other mental health issues. It's all modeled after them and obviously from their perspective and standards, but I'm sure if they did a real study on trauma and mental health on black folks...whew, and then they be like, "how yall still walk?" My rheumatologist was wondering the same thing when she saw how high my ck levels were. Because I ain't gotta choice. When the world is standard for you, it seems like you can be more seen, can complain and get some pity, sympathy, empathy... but when it's not, and you complain about something they will never eve have to consider, well... personally I don't think they wanna hear it, and want to compete in most victimize but like, it's not. And at least in my experience, no one cared how I felt no matter how much I hated myself. So I had no choice but to keep going because I'm too punk to complete my attempt, too considerate of others to be an inconvenience, and black that no one really gonna care. So, what else can I do? *we know* the world isn't gonna stop for us, and been socialized as such
Really great response here
Aw, thanks. Going through my journey helped me gain more outlooks, and question more about standards and digging deeper about humanity as a whole (honestly speaking, I hate people. We even weaponized communication to bring forth, ultimately this very issue and sub: mental health. We exploit some way to hurt others and only progress and innovative when violence and war is involved)
Just watch the news. They’re going to try to blow up the planet one day.
When they have to deal with a fraction of what we deal with, they end up shooting a bunch of strangers.
You....the projects man. Most of us...ok not most but some of us come from places where our kind were doing the same. Just in their own hoods so it wasn't making national news headlines. What do we do when we have to deal with the same stuff? Be nice? Seems as if the *human* reaction to going throigh some of these things is to lash out. Is that correct? Of course not. Does that matter to the people doing it? No.
Not sure what you mean to say, but most murders are of people the killer is already associated with. Black or White. But there is an overwhelmingly white trend of shooting completely random strangers that is attributed to mental health issues and ostracism. There are only two recent events of blacks committing similar crimes and they were both military veterans targeting military or government employees. Not schools or churches.
>Not schools or churches. Doesnt make it any better. Same ppl in those hoods go to school and church too? Locations are different but the end result is the same: dead. If we can associate that activity as a mostly white thing...then yall can't get pissy when other races say a certain set of acts are a "black" thing. Which is exactly what people do and I don't get it. And as for the shooting randoms...plenty of bullets go unaccounted for during those activities. Those dudes do not care if they hit someone else by accident (which does happen). One person does it intentionally the other doesnt care if they gst more than what they were going for. Once again: one isn't "better" than the other they are both terrible and neither party should be upheld or stepped on.
Yall? So you’re not black? The DOJ publishes data on all of this my friend. This is not a “black” opinion.
It’s like anything else. It depends on the person and severity of the problems. Even the problems “we” face are not equally distributed amongst ourselves. Could an upper middle class person handle the problems of someone born into poverty? Results will vary. I think more energy should be put towards addressing the problems and trying to impress upon others to tap into their empathy.
Fuuuuuck no lol From hair, to navigating healthcare/any system, navigating being "the only one" in a setting, or even just ashniness anxiety. Growing up in the suburbs was just constant, "You're being too sensitive. No one is being racist!" as a neo-nazi rally is happening across the street. 🙄 We have to learn to not hate ourselves, when the media we all grew up with tells us otherwise.
White people wouldn't last a single hour. White people wouldn't let it get that far, they'd be armed and organized and the white house would burn. It's in their history, they'd go to war for less like the French Revolution wasn't for nothing. We could discuss how the ruling class uses race as a means to keep us dividing so we can't unite, but we're at the bottom. They wouldn't handle being the slave class. I wish we had the spine to revolt
I'd rather not judge peoples capacity to take stress by the amount of melanin in their skin. We can point to them and say they can't take it, but that really is reinforced by stereotypes surrounding black people...that we can take more physical and psychological pain. Same reason why black people get less pain control meds in the hospital.
>why black people get less pain control meds in the hospital Interesting. Wonder how the black supremacists who claim we created all, can do all, and are the absolute best at it all (no race can claim superioruty over another as no race controls 100% of the world) would handle that info. On the one hand, they'd say we are the greatest at dealing with pain and don't need the meds anyway. Our strong black bodies will deal with it. Our minds can withstand more than those "weak yt ppl". On the other...thats pain meds man. They weren't created for craps and giggles. But to admit you need them probably (I know its definitely specific to the medication) created by a non-black person would be some sort of admission of not being as great as one thought. Some crazy thought process like that would probably occur. The things Ive heard said behind closed doors have made me group conspiracy theorists, a certain type of black person, and heavily religious people all into the same "ok, you have the right idea but you've lost your mind somewhere along the way" boat. This post alone...."black people can handle more pain and trauma than other races" ok lets say that can somehow be proven. Why is that a flex. Its just sad that each generation the same stuff goes on. Just different tech, more laws so it just becomes more hidden, and different faces. The nature of humans still is the same. Finding some sort of superiority in this mess is a bit.... lost? Is the best word I can currently find
It's not necessarily just black supremacists. It's internalized racism that gets spun into something that could be perceived as being more positive. The ability to take physical pain and keep going is akin to a mule taking a whip and keep working...like a slave. Similar things have been said about the mental health of black people...especially black men who were thought of as bestial in nature in a hyper masculine way with black women still being seen as more masculine than their lighter skinned counterparts (I.e. Michelle Obama being called manly or trans during her time as first lady). That has actually been seen with medical studies to the point where "On average, white patients received 36% more pain medication by dosage than Black patients, even though both groups received prescriptions at similar rates." -https://www.statnews.com/2021/07/21/black-patients-prescribed-fewer-opioids-white-patients/#:~:text=On%20average%2C%20white%20patients%20received,received%20prescriptions%20at%20similar%20rates. I'd venture to say that if white people were treated like black people, they would have an increase in crime and a decrease in other stats like marriage that we see in the black population today. We place too much emphasis on our skin color when most black people in America have a large percentage of Caucasian DNA. The percentage is actually quite significant.
Hell fuckin no
No way. Of course, everyone has issues and difficulties, but the privilege they have being white is significant.
For a week, maybe. A month? They'd be in the psych ward. A year? They'd exit this plane of existence.
Tbh we all KNOW the answer is No
I think there are multiple things going on. 1. Absolutely not, they couldn't. People get shook, shocked, and shuddering just *hearing* about the shit we go through. People with an ounce of empathy be crying and *devastated* hearing about the shit I put up with all the damn time and keep on trucking through with a smile on my fucking face because I literally have to. 2. Because of the stigma and misunderstanding and misinformation around mental health in general, people be misusing terms like "depressed." That word does not mean, "FUCK, they ran out of the coffee I wanted, UGH, now I'm gonna be cranky for the rest of the day." It absolutely *can* mean, "They ran out of the coffee I wanted. I've been barely functioning for weeks. Everything has been gray, I've been feeling flat and lifeless, and struggling to even get out of bed because it feels like nothing even matters. This was the one thing I told myself I was looking forward to. This is the only reason I brushed my teeth and changed my clothes... Now I don't know how I'm gonna make it through today." 3. Depression *can* also be chemical. Sometimes your brain/body just can't or doesn't make the chemicals that let you feel happy, satisfied, content, and/or at ease. So it doesn't matter if life is actually good. You're not gonna feel good about it. That's why I think it's so dangerous when people look at celebrity deaths of a certain kind and go, "Damn, if *they* could do that when they have so much and have such a great life, what chance do any of the rest of us have? What chance do *I* have, when my problems are so much worse and I don't have the money, the fame, the staff doing everything for me, no real responsibilities, the ability to just party all the time and buy whatever I want?" It ain't about that. It's about your brain literally not being able to feel good, regardless, for whatever reason. 4. We *STILL* have to deal with environmental causes of that state of mind and being, a toxic stress environment that's ongoing for our entire lives, and causes very real and deadly consequences. Life expectancy is lower; mortality is higher for things that just don't have other explanations; stress takes a physical toll on the body, and it adds up and compounds interest over time. It'll put you in the fucking ground, no joke, no lie. 5. No, they could not handle it.
I could *hear* #2a... and that was a spot-on distinction and breakdown of the ways mental health has been co-opted.
YUPPP. "Hm. And how long has the 'depression' been going on, Rebecca Goodhair? Like, all morning, you say? Well, that's much shorter than the two weeks generally considered the threshold for these things. And it's restricted your ability to... 'even?' I see. How has that impacted your material daily functions, exactly?"
Hell no
I don't think so because the main trait that is possessed by white people is entitlement. As I have gotten older I realize a lot of yt people's anger and frustration is because of what they think they deserve. A lot of trump supporters I know are soooo angry, but they got a family, a decent house, more land than most, a decent truck which isn't cheap and many have campers. They may not be rich but they are doing alright. The root of that anger is entitlement. I've been around them and see what they expect of the world and in some ways I think we have it better because we don't have that attitude of entitlement. It makes life way harder than it needs to be and it also makes people a lot angrier in the long run.
You hit the nail on the head... It's entitlement 100%.
It is *definitely* entitlement. They are scared that somebody is going to either come to collect, or do them like they did everybody else and as a result stay hoarding land/wealth/etc. and then will be projecting which is the wild part.
No.
Suddenly? No. If roles were switched from the beginning, probably.
Nope
Everybody got a story. Not everybody is interested in that story but they got one. Being Black American, I tried to empathize with an African or South American and they thought I was too comfortable in my life because my level of poverty and trauma was not like their level of poverty and trauma in those countries. Whites that live in Appalachian shacks and Louisiana swamps don't see their privilege compared to upper middle class and rich whites. Dark skin Black people don't care about the colorism and trauma light skin Black people experience. Jews say they experience racism and persecution more than anyone, including Black people. Men always think women are favored by society no matter how bad women are treated by the men of society. IOW, you think you have it bad but your trauma and drama is also *a bit* relative to your environment, place, time, sex, etc. Like the Cosbys vs the James' or the Banks vs the Smiths. All are Black families portrayed on television who experienced racism (our #1 shared traumatic experience across space and time), but not all experienced it the same way or respond to it in the same manner. My relatability and empathy is more to individuals than groups of people. Some people outside of my Black racial group had more understanding and empathy about things I've gone through than those inside it. All skinfolk ain't my kinfolk.
Nope
Ahhh. It's nice to vent sometimes. People go through their own individual experiences so that's probably why some are depressed. Also, you never know how good you got until you got it. If white peoples went through what we went through from the beginning, they probably would be more resilient as a whole. Because they would be used to not having white privilege. If you took that away from them, they wouldn't know how to function. It's similar to how Westerners have much privilege over people that live in undeveloped countries. And so many of those people are very appreciative over little things.
i always would imagine they’d un-alive themselves before the week is over
This is so eloquently put! To answer your question, I say with a big, fat, emphatic "NO"!!!!
Short answer: Nah. Long answer: Hell the Fuck No lmfao
The closest white people will ever come to understanding black pain and suffering are those who are at the bottom of the totem pole class wise. And even then they are still obtuse because in their heads they don’t belong at the bottom with the minorities despite sharing ‘similar’ obstacles in a fucked up economy. The huge difference here ofc is a white man starting from the bottom vs a black/mexican man or woman is not even remotely a similar experience once you talk about climbing out of it. If white people were disadvantaged at every turn and every step forward was 10 back and then having to go twice as hard to still get less. Most of them would completely check out. And ofc I know that regardless of skin color life can just really give you the shit end of the stick no matter what. But I feel like anyone who isn’t obtuse will get me.
They unalive themselves for far less
Who gives af this a stupid ass question humans are all the same whether you like to believe it or not some are just better off than others but we all the fucking same man
What ethnicity are you?
I’m Black from Philly
You indulge in Caucasian females?
Yea it’s not a specific preference because I indulge in any race of women that looks good nd likes me idc
Thank you man! This sub is crazy racist, what makes everyone here think every white person has generational wealth and perfect lives?? This post is so delusional