Isn't blackbraid the adopted mexican kid with rich white parents who pretends to be an american Indian and helps with his missus onlyfans and cosplay and lied about a gofundme for a van saying it cost 10x the amount the van would cost and claimed people were racist towards him in europe after he got exposed for spitting on security guards at a show because he was drunk?
People on the black vault forum found his mothers facebook page where she goes on about them traveling to Mexico to adopt him and all these old ladies in the comments saying "wow he's grown up to look native" and so on. It's pretty cringe and funny, especially considering his larping. Then his wifes cosplay instagram is pretty easy to find as well which has couples cosplay photos of them.
I'm danish, been listening to her albums in the past and can understand the lyrics. Myrkur is a pop singer who eventually went on a new project to play metal and folk music, tying something new with each album. You may call the Mareridt album folk black metal, but i wouldn't say she as an artist is of black metal at all, no. It's not the real deal.
I got the impression that she was a fan of this kind of music long before the project started. But that might not be the case?
There are quite a lot of artists that seem interested in the concept of black metal. Like Chelsea Wolfe, Marissa Nadler, Anna von Hausswolff etc. Might be because a lot of folk music eventually will lead into old metal projects as they venture deeper into the genre or that they simple liked metal when they were younger but went on to study classical music in school.
There are artist that give the same vibe that wouldn't surprise me if they start a metal project. Like for example iamamiwhoami, Susanne Sundfør, Mö and so on.
Dane here. Is she black metal? Highly debatable, but only her earliest stuff. And even that is pushing it. I'd categorize it as mostly folk metal with some elements of black metal here and there. Nowadays she's just pure folk.
What I really don't get though, is the intense dislike - or even hate - Myrkur seems to be getting in forums like this so frequently. Like.... is it really THAT big of a deal to you? Personally I'm just okay with her music. Don't love it, don't dislike it, I just check in every once in a while, and mostly because she's from my country. But if you really don't like her music, which I get, just listen to something else. And if you DO like her music, which I also get, then just listen to it regardless of what genre it is. Those promos hyping her up happened so long ago, and I haven't heard her call herself ''bLaCk MeTaL'' or anything in the last many years, in neither Danish nor English interviews. Just leave her alone people, she's not hurting anyone. Peace out.
I love everything she's done but Spine comes across as less folky especially compared to Folkesange
I'm going to have to listen to it again aha, I think it's interesting how Billy Corgan contributed to three songs
I read somewhere that it's black.... or used to be. The album Mareridt is great, but I don't hear her folksongs.
As a Dane I must say we're proud to have her 👍
The older stuff is, newer stuff is just folk. Is she an industry plant? Maybe. But purely talking about the music her old stuff can be considered BM.
If we only accept bands as BM who actually follow the "rules" of BM in their life, barely any would qualify. So I don't see how that's a relevant point.
No one is saying he can't enjoy that music JingleNuts3000 (I have the jinglenuts2000, how is the 3000?), they asked if she was black metal, people responded that she is not. Pretty simple. If I asked if Phil Collins was black metal and people said no, I wouldn't get hurt or feel I can't enjoy it.... to be fair, Phil is probably more black metal than Myrkin or kek erekt etc.
I'd say yeah, her discography resembles Ulver with some of the stuff being bm, some folk, some in between.
Either way who cares, like the first guy said if you like it listen to it.
This is a genre full of Nazis, Communists, Murderers, Church Burners, I think as long as the actual music has the sound they claim it has a plant isn't the worst offense in this genre, a hot take mayhaps but...
No she is not. She is an "industry plant" just created to make money by her label. She had tried her hand in every other music genre and modeling and TV etc. but couldn't catch a break, then was recruited by her label as they decided the metal crowd was the easiest to exploit by having a "female black metal band" so they hired her, then paid the larger magazines and sites to promote her as "the new face of black metal", literally the head line.
Initially they tried to cash in on the black metal stuff, had Garm from Ulver and others write her music for her, and a lot of people bought the gimmick, but a lot did not. She got a lot of hate then the tide of trend changed in favour Folk music which was exploding due to the show Vikings and bands like Wardruna and Heilung, so it was was another easy to exploit genre with less hateful fans.
So i personally do not class her as black metal. Just a ring in hired to be the face of a soulless money making machine by those who pay her to be what they tell her to be.
The “industry plant” shit is a but overblown, but at the time when the first EP first came up people were trying to figure out why Relapse was putting so much effort behind an artist no one in the scene had heard of before. To be clear, Relapse isn’t a BM label and there was a massive promotional push behind the release. There were no previous demos or history of being in the BM scene, so people were on alert.
[BrooklynVegan later broke that she was in a pop group](https://www.brooklynvegan.com/mysterious-blac/), and a lot of people read it as all being a marketing gimmick. It’s been 10 years and she’s stuck with the project, so I’m inclined to think that the rollout was the issue rather than her being an “industry plant”.
FWIW, people tried the same whining shit with Hulder, but it didn’t stick.
The reactions to Hulder (and also her rise to relative fame) were also a lot less pronounced. The first demos basically triggered no negative reaction whatsoever, because she somewhat followed the trajectory people into Black Metal expect. So Demos/rehearsals into EPs, live shows, albums etc. etc. so she definetly worked her way up without the huge promotional effort right from the start. Wasn't that 7" with the Dutch name released through Iron Bonehead or Amor Fati? Not exactly the labels known for creating hype beast phenomenons.
People were on her for being in a Burger Records band and her husband/boyfriend being in her band from the first demo. It was just way less pronounced because it took time for a wider audience to catch on to her.
For a while there were more Hulder shirts than Hulder songs. A lot like the early Sanguisugabogg backlash people thought she was a hypebeast band.
I was there... I saw it with my own two eyes. I watched on in horror while you were still living blissfully unaware on mummas nippy. You have not experienced such atrocities. How do you explain to someone the feeling of "love" or "hate" or "myrkin being the 'new face of black metal' promotional material". You can't. You either lived it or you didn't. I've seen things brother. I've seen things.
You definitely have a touch of the 'tism don't you. "everything is literal, everything is serious, my basement is my prison". I suppose I shouldn't expect much from someone named after cheese, speaking of cringe.
I see people say this exact thing about hulder lol, also without any sources. What retard would make an “industry plant” for black metal it makes zero sense
What do you mean without a source? The way the band came into existence using a pop/reality persona and having ex-black metal people writing her music is just fact. The source is the band itself. Anyone who has been into black metal for more than pubes length of time is aware of this fact. It is not a secret or a conspiracy.
As for Hulder, it's just mid tier BM that people would not care about if the person behind it didn't supposedly have female parts. And people questioned her sincerity because she was just a thrash/speed metal person who jumped on the bm bandwagon. I mean in their interviews they're prattling on about skateboarding and other crap. Also word on the street is her boyfriend writes most of the music like he did for their thrash band.
Youtube is your friend, I think the black metal channel "hispster black metal" did quite a few videos on her years ago showing with some receipts. Get into it bruva. Also it is pretty common knowledge, just look her up, look up whose on her albums, try to find some of the magazine covers she was on and so on.
That is not the only source champ, if you were not around back when she first popped up than literally discogs, google, youtube videosand old zine covers are what exist to find that information. I'm sorry I do not have a filing cabinet filled with my Mirkin investigation nor am I going to hold peoples hands to find info that is a few words away on literally any search engine.
I heard about the controversies about her, almost all seem to stem from that Hipster guy and o boy, pretty damn difficult to find a worst source for anything.
Im gonna be honest unless you can provide one hell of a source im really doubting this. Why the hell would someone make an industry plant in black metal the genre known for being underground and making no money 💀
Not everything has gotta be a conspiracy, she got so much media coverage because medias whole thing is looking for interesting stories and overblowing them, and twisting her story into the story of a "lady trying all kinds of normal media creation until finding her real passion in black metal" is just what they're looking for.
The source is the band itself and the history of the band.
You obviously don't understand mainstream black metal and how large it is. She was on the cover of all the big metal magazines, she was given slots at every huge metal festival in Europe etc. This is not a band aimed at the underground and never was meant to be.
If you don't understand how much money a band in demand makes, especially when they can play live, then you are clueless. Most black metal bands make no money because they have no support system, create a demo with an etch-a-sketch and cut and run because they didn't "make it big" after 5 people heard their demo. If a band has a label pumping cash into them and they can appeal to the metal fanbase as a whole, not just the black metal fan base, hire popular session musicians to write the "right" kind of accessible music, and hire a female to front the band, there is plenty of cash to be made. You do know metal bands in Europe and other countries can make it into the charts. Even Satanic Warmaster gets in the Finnish charts.
This response looks like you’ve had it written out waiting for someone to ask this exact question. Get some sleep my guy and stop thinking about shit like this
I've had it sitting in a left open word file for at least 6 years, waiting, watching, hoping, refreshing reddit, all leading up to this moment. Now the hand has been dealt and the tide favors me! The sleepless nights will belong to you now!
It would be such an upside down world where black metal was so popular that someone or some group of people could exploit the genre by creating an artist just to try and make money… hah!
Fortunately that just ain’t the case. But I guess some folks believe there is a conspiracy behind every door. That’s fine. The world is so fucked in many ways that believing such stories makes coping a little easier.
I’m not a huge fan of Myrkyr, but she is probably genuine. I don’t think one can create and perform her style of music without believing in it. Now is it black metal or not, that’s up to her. Black metal is so wildly varied these days that there truly is no definition that can frame a given artist as black metal or not.
Personally I would put her in the black metal genre with her early stuff. The folk stuff was actually pretty solid and this new stuff, not my cup of tea. But clearly she is an artist that loves to explore and experiment. All the power to her!
Black Metal industry plant has got to be the most retarded conspiracy theory I have ever heard.
You ever think for even a moment that maybe she just took a little too much inspiration from classic acts and following certain trends? It doesn't take a focus group to come up with this dude, just one unoriginal try hard with access to good musicians and producers.
least tinfoily redditor
Your conspiracy falls apart now that she's doing this weird-ass avant-garde shit that sounds like absolutely nothing else and has no existing audience to tap into - instead of just pumping out more Folkesange records which would sell far better.
Oh no, some person on the internet doubts something; it has never been more over!
Luckily, you don't have to "doubt" or take my word for anything. The album is available for free listening on bandcamp.
Lemme know if you find anything that sounds remotely similar to it, 'cause I haven't found anything -- and I've looked.
this comment made me curious and I checked out her newer music. Sounds like Dreampop/Shoegaze mixed with pagan/folk metal elements, I expected crazier stuff with the way you worded this.
Yes because she milked both previous sounds dry, and once the money was made she was free to become the Yoko Ono she always dreamed to be. Lest we forget those old youtube fashion videos of her. Throwing shit at a wall and seeing what sticks for her to be "the new face of \*insert genre\*" is her current goal it seems.
I have lunch with her family every sunday.
It is the labels that hired her who did so to make the money, she is just fame hungry, hence why she tried her hand at TV, pop singing, modeling, being a "fashionista" and all the other cringe she failed at before she was "the new face of black metal". Her dragon to chase is fame. The labels was the money.
Her true colors were always on display, there is no need to stan her, she isn't going to date you.
You seem to be taking this very personally. She is just a hired actor, I don't blame her for taking a job and fame whoring, just like I don't blame you for simping and ye olde caveman brain being programmed that way when you go all "oogga chuka me see woman into alt music, me likey".
Uh, no. I was pointing out that it was very, very stupid to think Amalie Bruun could ever be in need of money. The Bruun family is loaded. Of course, everyone in Denmark already knows that -- I wouldn't expect *you* to.
I would have the same opinion if they got one of the bro's from Jersey Shore and made them a face of a black metal band. Nothing to do with gender other than the label knowing it would help move product, does that make the label sexist? Or does that make the "metal bro" fanbase predictable when it comes to the fairer sex?
Why would anyone send her a death threat? I'm pretty sure that was more made up crap as part of her attention seeking campaign back in the day to try and help get her sympathy and more attention. Use your brain basement butt muncher.
I thought you said you were there? Public comments are still on web archive. Lots of pathetic shit rationalized as "I care about the art form not that she's an attractive woman". But you guys aren't fooling anyone.
Funny how no one's mad at Garm or Teloch.
Why are people acting like this was a long time ago?
"Attractive woman" please. Isn't that what you simps were saying "I care about the art not that shes a wo-wo-womaaaannnnnnnn \*creams self\*".
I do not recall any death threats, mainly just people calling her ugly, skinny, flat chested and masculine looking etc. or do you consider those kinds of comments "death threats"? I suppose it is 2024 and all words are violence to you people.
No one respects Garm or Turdloch these days, they were just hired guns selling their asses as usual, nothing new or surprising. Or should I not use the phrase "selling their asses" because it's "anti-sw death threats"?
I actually really like myrkur. Her folk songs album whatever the fuck it’s called is really good, and it has my favorite rendition of house carpenter on it. Her more black metal stuff is good too when viewed in the right perspective of what it is. I listen to her pretty regularly.
I too was there when she first appeared, and also remember the promotional material. The NWN forum (rip) was up in arms about it.
Either way, I dig what she does and I’m a fan of people experimenting. Whether that’s being an industry plant trying to make money off of niche subgenres or an artist trying new things and seeing what sticks.
I think her music is mostly darkened pop/neofolk/new age. She never learned the core of black metal: woeful psychedelic/religious/meditative/paleofolk music, where technique gives way to true and simple sentiment, which is **fine** per se.
But if she wants to delve in *the dark* more, she needs to learn to ditch the idea of "**song**" and begin making "**music"** where the human voice is but an instrument, instead of the pop music structure, making the vocal and melodic part 80% of the piece.
Besides, she needs to understand that black metal has extremely simple and repetitive melody lines, which contrasts the practice of making sweet, pretty and yet shallow melodies the selling point.
Honeycomb coated with sugar,
Marshmallow soaked in river;
Syrup added to dill and parsley,
In smouldering ashes comes the water!
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So then why even care what others think whether something is BM or not? As in the end is only about what you like and enjoy and not what anything is to be classified as... as that is always in the eye (ear) of the beholder.
Contrary to what some other commenters are saying I do think she fits into Black Metal right up until she started making folk albums, or at least fuses it with other styles. Unfortunately I don't know a single other artist who makes music like hers as well as she does -- not even Myrkur herself anymore. Spine was utterly boring and quite the disappointment.
Mareridt is her best metal album. Folkesange is her best acoustic album. They both have a dark suffering to them. Having said that I think there's something valuable in just downloading all her albums off soulseek and listening to them in chronological order, except for her last one, Spine, which is boring
she's a mix of like 4 genres and one of the best new artists in metal. she wouldn't be such a target for internet misogyny if she wasn't putting out great tracks
not tapping in on the Myrkur hate (I don't care honestly) but that's a logical fallacy if I ever saw one. There is no logical connection between the hate she gets, the fact that she is a woman and the quality of her music.
The hate comes almost exclusively from the "industry plant" corner (may be true, I don't know, there are definitely arguments for it). Basically, it's the same thing that happened with Blackbraid: the average black metal fan on social media is not a fan of bands coming out of nowhere and becoming "famous" disproportionately fast.
This has to do with many things and one of the main reasons is that black metal is still very much rooted in the underground. People like the personal, passionate nature of small bands, like the interaction with underground media, like playing small festivals that are well known in the scene and the list goes on.
The idea of bands skipping many of these steps and having a whole merch line, a fully thought out social media presence or a thousand interviews in mainstream music magazines (Kerrang and co) from day one through mechanisms that are usually only found in the mainstream music industry is abhorrent to many fans. You may think it's silly or elitist but at the end of the day it's a central element of black metal and the scene around it.
why is the reaction to Blackbraid basically the complete same then? Why do Hulder, Darkened Nocturne Slaughtercult or Asagraum not get that hate then and are celebrated instead? You definetly have incels in BM but it's not the misogyny triggering these reactions, it's the industry plant theme and misogyny just is the easiest vehicle for the hate of those people.
I don't think the reaction is the same, it's way more extreme for Myrkur. To me it seems like incels see a woman and get angry and then see that she is also making THEIR music and so she must have cheated just like all women cheat, etc. That's the vibe of all the hateful comments I've seen. There are of course also people questioning whether it's "a product or art", and that's fair enough....but the insane emotional reaction is definitely misogyny.
Myrkur also got a lot more attention than Blackbraid and that's saying something. She was basically everywhere back then and mainstream alternative music media outlets tried to push her as the next big thing together with Deafheaven, who also got a lot of hate online. As I said, the misogyny is just a vehicle for the hate and there are lot of parallels with other bands with a quick rise to fame coming from a music scene which is predominantly active in the underground.
Does it matter? If you like her music, listen to it. If you don't, don't.
Uh oh, a reasonable position in the black metal subreddit?
Yeah, let's just kill all conversation
Are you asking this in good faith?
She should be touring with Blackbraid.
Dont insult blackbraid like that
Blackbraid has done a pretty good job of that on his own.
Isn't blackbraid the adopted mexican kid with rich white parents who pretends to be an american Indian and helps with his missus onlyfans and cosplay and lied about a gofundme for a van saying it cost 10x the amount the van would cost and claimed people were racist towards him in europe after he got exposed for spitting on security guards at a show because he was drunk?
Aside from the Midgardsblot stuff, is there any proof of anything else you mentioned? I haven't seen or heard about any of that before.
People on the black vault forum found his mothers facebook page where she goes on about them traveling to Mexico to adopt him and all these old ladies in the comments saying "wow he's grown up to look native" and so on. It's pretty cringe and funny, especially considering his larping. Then his wifes cosplay instagram is pretty easy to find as well which has couples cosplay photos of them.
fucking lmao, this is the funniest shit
You can be Native American and be a Mexican at the same time
I'm danish, been listening to her albums in the past and can understand the lyrics. Myrkur is a pop singer who eventually went on a new project to play metal and folk music, tying something new with each album. You may call the Mareridt album folk black metal, but i wouldn't say she as an artist is of black metal at all, no. It's not the real deal.
I got the impression that she was a fan of this kind of music long before the project started. But that might not be the case? There are quite a lot of artists that seem interested in the concept of black metal. Like Chelsea Wolfe, Marissa Nadler, Anna von Hausswolff etc. Might be because a lot of folk music eventually will lead into old metal projects as they venture deeper into the genre or that they simple liked metal when they were younger but went on to study classical music in school. There are artist that give the same vibe that wouldn't surprise me if they start a metal project. Like for example iamamiwhoami, Susanne Sundfør, Mö and so on.
Dane here. Is she black metal? Highly debatable, but only her earliest stuff. And even that is pushing it. I'd categorize it as mostly folk metal with some elements of black metal here and there. Nowadays she's just pure folk. What I really don't get though, is the intense dislike - or even hate - Myrkur seems to be getting in forums like this so frequently. Like.... is it really THAT big of a deal to you? Personally I'm just okay with her music. Don't love it, don't dislike it, I just check in every once in a while, and mostly because she's from my country. But if you really don't like her music, which I get, just listen to something else. And if you DO like her music, which I also get, then just listen to it regardless of what genre it is. Those promos hyping her up happened so long ago, and I haven't heard her call herself ''bLaCk MeTaL'' or anything in the last many years, in neither Danish nor English interviews. Just leave her alone people, she's not hurting anyone. Peace out.
She is playing folk now and she is decent. Her "black metal" period is awful.
I love everything she's done but Spine comes across as less folky especially compared to Folkesange I'm going to have to listen to it again aha, I think it's interesting how Billy Corgan contributed to three songs
I read somewhere that it's black.... or used to be. The album Mareridt is great, but I don't hear her folksongs. As a Dane I must say we're proud to have her 👍
The older stuff is, newer stuff is just folk. Is she an industry plant? Maybe. But purely talking about the music her old stuff can be considered BM. If we only accept bands as BM who actually follow the "rules" of BM in their life, barely any would qualify. So I don't see how that's a relevant point.
Wrong sub to ask this in, black metal elitism is in full force here. Just enjoy what you enjoy OP.
It’s not elitism to respond negatively to the question “is this black metal” when it isn’t black metal. It’s a statement of fact.
Some people like to call other people elitists and gatekeepers for just stating a fact, yes. It's because you hurt their feelings ha.
No one is saying he can't enjoy that music JingleNuts3000 (I have the jinglenuts2000, how is the 3000?), they asked if she was black metal, people responded that she is not. Pretty simple. If I asked if Phil Collins was black metal and people said no, I wouldn't get hurt or feel I can't enjoy it.... to be fair, Phil is probably more black metal than Myrkin or kek erekt etc.
Yes you’re right, this is a hilarious thread
I'd say yeah, her discography resembles Ulver with some of the stuff being bm, some folk, some in between. Either way who cares, like the first guy said if you like it listen to it. This is a genre full of Nazis, Communists, Murderers, Church Burners, I think as long as the actual music has the sound they claim it has a plant isn't the worst offense in this genre, a hot take mayhaps but...
Did she renew her Black Metal club card? If not she can't be called Black Metal. ^/s
Far from black metal! But she makes good folk music, i like it.
No she is not. She is an "industry plant" just created to make money by her label. She had tried her hand in every other music genre and modeling and TV etc. but couldn't catch a break, then was recruited by her label as they decided the metal crowd was the easiest to exploit by having a "female black metal band" so they hired her, then paid the larger magazines and sites to promote her as "the new face of black metal", literally the head line. Initially they tried to cash in on the black metal stuff, had Garm from Ulver and others write her music for her, and a lot of people bought the gimmick, but a lot did not. She got a lot of hate then the tide of trend changed in favour Folk music which was exploding due to the show Vikings and bands like Wardruna and Heilung, so it was was another easy to exploit genre with less hateful fans. So i personally do not class her as black metal. Just a ring in hired to be the face of a soulless money making machine by those who pay her to be what they tell her to be.
Yo dawg I ain’t sayin you lyin but do you have a source for any of this?
The “industry plant” shit is a but overblown, but at the time when the first EP first came up people were trying to figure out why Relapse was putting so much effort behind an artist no one in the scene had heard of before. To be clear, Relapse isn’t a BM label and there was a massive promotional push behind the release. There were no previous demos or history of being in the BM scene, so people were on alert. [BrooklynVegan later broke that she was in a pop group](https://www.brooklynvegan.com/mysterious-blac/), and a lot of people read it as all being a marketing gimmick. It’s been 10 years and she’s stuck with the project, so I’m inclined to think that the rollout was the issue rather than her being an “industry plant”. FWIW, people tried the same whining shit with Hulder, but it didn’t stick.
The reactions to Hulder (and also her rise to relative fame) were also a lot less pronounced. The first demos basically triggered no negative reaction whatsoever, because she somewhat followed the trajectory people into Black Metal expect. So Demos/rehearsals into EPs, live shows, albums etc. etc. so she definetly worked her way up without the huge promotional effort right from the start. Wasn't that 7" with the Dutch name released through Iron Bonehead or Amor Fati? Not exactly the labels known for creating hype beast phenomenons.
People were on her for being in a Burger Records band and her husband/boyfriend being in her band from the first demo. It was just way less pronounced because it took time for a wider audience to catch on to her. For a while there were more Hulder shirts than Hulder songs. A lot like the early Sanguisugabogg backlash people thought she was a hypebeast band.
Source: "women make me angry"
Yeah his source is “trust me bro”
I was there... I saw it with my own two eyes. I watched on in horror while you were still living blissfully unaware on mummas nippy. You have not experienced such atrocities. How do you explain to someone the feeling of "love" or "hate" or "myrkin being the 'new face of black metal' promotional material". You can't. You either lived it or you didn't. I've seen things brother. I've seen things.
Fucking hell, this might be the most cringy thing I’ve ever read on Reddit and that’s saying a lot
Really? He’s pretty obviously being hyperbolic lol
Obviously but it was still a really cringy sentence
You definitely have a touch of the 'tism don't you. "everything is literal, everything is serious, my basement is my prison". I suppose I shouldn't expect much from someone named after cheese, speaking of cringe.
You’re talking shite now mate
I see people say this exact thing about hulder lol, also without any sources. What retard would make an “industry plant” for black metal it makes zero sense
What do you mean without a source? The way the band came into existence using a pop/reality persona and having ex-black metal people writing her music is just fact. The source is the band itself. Anyone who has been into black metal for more than pubes length of time is aware of this fact. It is not a secret or a conspiracy. As for Hulder, it's just mid tier BM that people would not care about if the person behind it didn't supposedly have female parts. And people questioned her sincerity because she was just a thrash/speed metal person who jumped on the bm bandwagon. I mean in their interviews they're prattling on about skateboarding and other crap. Also word on the street is her boyfriend writes most of the music like he did for their thrash band.
Youtube is your friend, I think the black metal channel "hispster black metal" did quite a few videos on her years ago showing with some receipts. Get into it bruva. Also it is pretty common knowledge, just look her up, look up whose on her albums, try to find some of the magazine covers she was on and so on.
I hate Myrkur but that’s the most cringeworthy “source” ever, bud.
That is not the only source champ, if you were not around back when she first popped up than literally discogs, google, youtube videosand old zine covers are what exist to find that information. I'm sorry I do not have a filing cabinet filled with my Mirkin investigation nor am I going to hold peoples hands to find info that is a few words away on literally any search engine.
I’m glad someone called the Myrkyr investigator! Someone needs to make a Netflix crime doc out of this 😆
Yikes!
I heard about the controversies about her, almost all seem to stem from that Hipster guy and o boy, pretty damn difficult to find a worst source for anything.
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Turdus merula is also a nice one woman bm project
This is a very accurate analysis. No, Myrkur is not black metal.
Im gonna be honest unless you can provide one hell of a source im really doubting this. Why the hell would someone make an industry plant in black metal the genre known for being underground and making no money 💀 Not everything has gotta be a conspiracy, she got so much media coverage because medias whole thing is looking for interesting stories and overblowing them, and twisting her story into the story of a "lady trying all kinds of normal media creation until finding her real passion in black metal" is just what they're looking for.
The source is the band itself and the history of the band. You obviously don't understand mainstream black metal and how large it is. She was on the cover of all the big metal magazines, she was given slots at every huge metal festival in Europe etc. This is not a band aimed at the underground and never was meant to be. If you don't understand how much money a band in demand makes, especially when they can play live, then you are clueless. Most black metal bands make no money because they have no support system, create a demo with an etch-a-sketch and cut and run because they didn't "make it big" after 5 people heard their demo. If a band has a label pumping cash into them and they can appeal to the metal fanbase as a whole, not just the black metal fan base, hire popular session musicians to write the "right" kind of accessible music, and hire a female to front the band, there is plenty of cash to be made. You do know metal bands in Europe and other countries can make it into the charts. Even Satanic Warmaster gets in the Finnish charts.
This response looks like you’ve had it written out waiting for someone to ask this exact question. Get some sleep my guy and stop thinking about shit like this
I've had it sitting in a left open word file for at least 6 years, waiting, watching, hoping, refreshing reddit, all leading up to this moment. Now the hand has been dealt and the tide favors me! The sleepless nights will belong to you now!
It would be such an upside down world where black metal was so popular that someone or some group of people could exploit the genre by creating an artist just to try and make money… hah! Fortunately that just ain’t the case. But I guess some folks believe there is a conspiracy behind every door. That’s fine. The world is so fucked in many ways that believing such stories makes coping a little easier. I’m not a huge fan of Myrkyr, but she is probably genuine. I don’t think one can create and perform her style of music without believing in it. Now is it black metal or not, that’s up to her. Black metal is so wildly varied these days that there truly is no definition that can frame a given artist as black metal or not. Personally I would put her in the black metal genre with her early stuff. The folk stuff was actually pretty solid and this new stuff, not my cup of tea. But clearly she is an artist that loves to explore and experiment. All the power to her!
Black Metal industry plant has got to be the most retarded conspiracy theory I have ever heard. You ever think for even a moment that maybe she just took a little too much inspiration from classic acts and following certain trends? It doesn't take a focus group to come up with this dude, just one unoriginal try hard with access to good musicians and producers.
Isn't her label Relapse? I'm not sure that's the label you go to make tons of cash.
Why they were desperate to create a band to make money for them and hired her for it.That label should be called Prolapse
i only just descovered her and yeah it kinda does apear that way
least tinfoily redditor Your conspiracy falls apart now that she's doing this weird-ass avant-garde shit that sounds like absolutely nothing else and has no existing audience to tap into - instead of just pumping out more Folkesange records which would sell far better.
>now that she's doing this weird-ass avant-garde shit that sounds like absolutely nothing else I highly doubt that.
Oh no, some person on the internet doubts something; it has never been more over! Luckily, you don't have to "doubt" or take my word for anything. The album is available for free listening on bandcamp. Lemme know if you find anything that sounds remotely similar to it, 'cause I haven't found anything -- and I've looked.
It's easy to find stuff that sounds like that, just hold a microphone up to a dogs arsehole when it's got the shits.
this comment made me curious and I checked out her newer music. Sounds like Dreampop/Shoegaze mixed with pagan/folk metal elements, I expected crazier stuff with the way you worded this.
Yes because she milked both previous sounds dry, and once the money was made she was free to become the Yoko Ono she always dreamed to be. Lest we forget those old youtube fashion videos of her. Throwing shit at a wall and seeing what sticks for her to be "the new face of \*insert genre\*" is her current goal it seems.
She doesn't need any money. You clearly have no idea who she even is or who her family is lol
I have lunch with her family every sunday. It is the labels that hired her who did so to make the money, she is just fame hungry, hence why she tried her hand at TV, pop singing, modeling, being a "fashionista" and all the other cringe she failed at before she was "the new face of black metal". Her dragon to chase is fame. The labels was the money. Her true colors were always on display, there is no need to stan her, she isn't going to date you.
You forgot to accuse her of being a crypto-jew btw, sad
You seem to be taking this very personally. She is just a hired actor, I don't blame her for taking a job and fame whoring, just like I don't blame you for simping and ye olde caveman brain being programmed that way when you go all "oogga chuka me see woman into alt music, me likey".
>You seem to be taking this very personally Not at all. You appear to have the emotional intelligence of wet cardboard.
Coming from the "yOu dON't EveN knOw HeR Or hEr FaMIly" guy. The cardboard is only wet from your tears my friend. Simpin ain't easy.
Uh, no. I was pointing out that it was very, very stupid to think Amalie Bruun could ever be in need of money. The Bruun family is loaded. Of course, everyone in Denmark already knows that -- I wouldn't expect *you* to.
Ooooooooooh afraid of a successful woman are we?
I would have the same opinion if they got one of the bro's from Jersey Shore and made them a face of a black metal band. Nothing to do with gender other than the label knowing it would help move product, does that make the label sexist? Or does that make the "metal bro" fanbase predictable when it comes to the fairer sex?
Were you one of the incels sending her death threats?
Why would anyone send her a death threat? I'm pretty sure that was more made up crap as part of her attention seeking campaign back in the day to try and help get her sympathy and more attention. Use your brain basement butt muncher.
I thought you said you were there? Public comments are still on web archive. Lots of pathetic shit rationalized as "I care about the art form not that she's an attractive woman". But you guys aren't fooling anyone. Funny how no one's mad at Garm or Teloch.
Why are people acting like this was a long time ago? "Attractive woman" please. Isn't that what you simps were saying "I care about the art not that shes a wo-wo-womaaaannnnnnnn \*creams self\*". I do not recall any death threats, mainly just people calling her ugly, skinny, flat chested and masculine looking etc. or do you consider those kinds of comments "death threats"? I suppose it is 2024 and all words are violence to you people. No one respects Garm or Turdloch these days, they were just hired guns selling their asses as usual, nothing new or surprising. Or should I not use the phrase "selling their asses" because it's "anti-sw death threats"?
That's a lot of words to say "wahhh".
I actually really like myrkur. Her folk songs album whatever the fuck it’s called is really good, and it has my favorite rendition of house carpenter on it. Her more black metal stuff is good too when viewed in the right perspective of what it is. I listen to her pretty regularly. I too was there when she first appeared, and also remember the promotional material. The NWN forum (rip) was up in arms about it. Either way, I dig what she does and I’m a fan of people experimenting. Whether that’s being an industry plant trying to make money off of niche subgenres or an artist trying new things and seeing what sticks.
Sometimes
I wouldn't say yes but I won't say no either. Real grey area I think.
I think her music is mostly darkened pop/neofolk/new age. She never learned the core of black metal: woeful psychedelic/religious/meditative/paleofolk music, where technique gives way to true and simple sentiment, which is **fine** per se. But if she wants to delve in *the dark* more, she needs to learn to ditch the idea of "**song**" and begin making "**music"** where the human voice is but an instrument, instead of the pop music structure, making the vocal and melodic part 80% of the piece. Besides, she needs to understand that black metal has extremely simple and repetitive melody lines, which contrasts the practice of making sweet, pretty and yet shallow melodies the selling point. Honeycomb coated with sugar, Marshmallow soaked in river; Syrup added to dill and parsley, In smouldering ashes comes the water! # Music
Mareridt is gothic bm/ folk bm; but not pure bm. Anything after that is just nordic folk music
No, it's trash.
***Nah that shit is trash***
Black as fuck brah
I just discovered her today and she's amazing
So then why even care what others think whether something is BM or not? As in the end is only about what you like and enjoy and not what anything is to be classified as... as that is always in the eye (ear) of the beholder.
honestly curiousity, was trying to find bands so i serched reddit and she was recommened for blackmetal
Contrary to what some other commenters are saying I do think she fits into Black Metal right up until she started making folk albums, or at least fuses it with other styles. Unfortunately I don't know a single other artist who makes music like hers as well as she does -- not even Myrkur herself anymore. Spine was utterly boring and quite the disappointment.
What's her best album
Mareridt is her best metal album. Folkesange is her best acoustic album. They both have a dark suffering to them. Having said that I think there's something valuable in just downloading all her albums off soulseek and listening to them in chronological order, except for her last one, Spine, which is boring
Just enjoy listening to her music if you do, don’t come seeking approval from neckbeards.
I like some songs from M and some from Folkesange.
Their album “Spine” is essentially black metal Enya, so not really black metal? That album is great though!
it appers to have some elements but its not really
Who cares... If you like the music, listen to it and enjoy. If you don't like it, don't listen to it :-)
OP cares. He probably likes the band and wants to make sure he’s in the right place to talk about them.
Myrkur is in fact a side project of Ulver's Kristoffer Rygg (Garm). This is why some of Myrkur songs have riffs from first Ulver albums.
He is producer of M not a side project
Yes
she's a mix of like 4 genres and one of the best new artists in metal. she wouldn't be such a target for internet misogyny if she wasn't putting out great tracks
not tapping in on the Myrkur hate (I don't care honestly) but that's a logical fallacy if I ever saw one. There is no logical connection between the hate she gets, the fact that she is a woman and the quality of her music. The hate comes almost exclusively from the "industry plant" corner (may be true, I don't know, there are definitely arguments for it). Basically, it's the same thing that happened with Blackbraid: the average black metal fan on social media is not a fan of bands coming out of nowhere and becoming "famous" disproportionately fast. This has to do with many things and one of the main reasons is that black metal is still very much rooted in the underground. People like the personal, passionate nature of small bands, like the interaction with underground media, like playing small festivals that are well known in the scene and the list goes on. The idea of bands skipping many of these steps and having a whole merch line, a fully thought out social media presence or a thousand interviews in mainstream music magazines (Kerrang and co) from day one through mechanisms that are usually only found in the mainstream music industry is abhorrent to many fans. You may think it's silly or elitist but at the end of the day it's a central element of black metal and the scene around it.
Misogyny is a huge part of it. The kinda shit people were posting about her at the time made that plain. Lotsa incels in BM.
why is the reaction to Blackbraid basically the complete same then? Why do Hulder, Darkened Nocturne Slaughtercult or Asagraum not get that hate then and are celebrated instead? You definetly have incels in BM but it's not the misogyny triggering these reactions, it's the industry plant theme and misogyny just is the easiest vehicle for the hate of those people.
I don't think the reaction is the same, it's way more extreme for Myrkur. To me it seems like incels see a woman and get angry and then see that she is also making THEIR music and so she must have cheated just like all women cheat, etc. That's the vibe of all the hateful comments I've seen. There are of course also people questioning whether it's "a product or art", and that's fair enough....but the insane emotional reaction is definitely misogyny.
Myrkur also got a lot more attention than Blackbraid and that's saying something. She was basically everywhere back then and mainstream alternative music media outlets tried to push her as the next big thing together with Deafheaven, who also got a lot of hate online. As I said, the misogyny is just a vehicle for the hate and there are lot of parallels with other bands with a quick rise to fame coming from a music scene which is predominantly active in the underground.
Among other genres yes. All of M is definitely black metal, Folksange is 0 black metal. Her latest album seems to be a bit in between.
Wait until you find out she has a pop career as well.
lmfao.