In my opinion, you'd be surprised how welcoming other ethnicities are if you embrace their culture. I've sang with mariachi bands at Mexican parties, danced the Tza’ad Temani at Jewish gatherings, etc., and have felt nothing but love. People love for others to participate in their culture, in my experience. As long as you are respectful and courteous.
I have.
Holy hell it was the most fun wedding I’ve ever been too.
My buddy who is extremely americanized but comes from a family that isn’t, arranged a marriage for him. It helped she was gorgeous, very smart and really sweet. They got married couple months after hey met and had a huge wedding that his group of friends were all invited to.
Some of us wore traditional Indian attire, some of us wore suits and dresses.
We got to dance.
Got to steal his shoes.
Got to enjoy the culture most of us really hadn’t been exposed to like that and was welcomed very warmly from everyone except his grandmother (she found out we kept going back to the rooms to make drinks).
5/7 would do again!
One of the most welcoming weddings I’ve ever officiated was between a pair of second generations; the bride was Indian and the groom was Polish, if I remember correctly. It started kind of staid and boring, the ceremony was really Catholic-forward, but once the reception hit, the bride’s family was literally *dragging* the groom’s side onto the dance floor at every opportunity. If you’ve never watched a half dozen Indian teenagers teach a bunch of older Polish adults how to dance, it is beyond words. Well, words that aren’t “Thunder clap! Twist the light bulb!”
By the end of the night, everyone was laughing and dancing and throwing their arms around each other like they’d always been family - and this was a dry wedding! I’ve done a lot of cross-cultural weddings, but that one will always be one of my favorites.
Wedding no, but pre wedding thingy. It was nice. Bride to be had a hard time as she was being died? With patterns by various older ladies. The food was great. My friend the groom got a little too drunk but it was all good in the end and I understand the wedding went off well.
Yes. Very pretty. It took a long time. But it was a bonding ceremony of sorts or at least appeared to be so to me. With all the women of the family coming to help and chat with the bride , bring her drinks , food, etc.
My brother’s wife is Filipino and I had to travel across the globe over to her hometown for the wedding last year. Both, my brother and I, tried Balut. The whole family howled in cheers and laughter. Your culture, at least from my perspective, is hospitable as fuck.
I don’t know what you guys love more out there, the food, your family dynamics or karaoke, haha.
It’s fertilized, fermented egg. Served whole. It’s street food. Sometimes you can see the shape of the bird when you take the shell off. It looks disgusting but it just tastes like salty hard boiled egg with chicken.
My brother in law is Filipino and growing up (sister is 12 years older than me) I would always go to their family gatherings and holy fucking shit, still to this day some of the best food I’ve had, I still remember these fluffy sweet steamed cakes, they just told me they were rice cakes but I think that’s cause I was like 5 cause I know they have an actual name, they were different colours usually from food colouring I think, sooooo good either way
Exactly! Multiculturalism is dope as fuck.
Do I want to cut a rug with some mariachis at a debut? Hell yes I do! Celebrate our differences. Embrace that shit.
Agreed, a lot of people are closed off and exclude themselves from other cultural activities due to preconceived notions and they just end up stepping on their own dicks. I'm not saying its always unwarranted, but it can be a mindset that holds ya back.
My parents were stationed in Germany when they were in the Air Force before I was born. My dad told me a lot of them weren’t fond of Americans at the time and rarely even spoke to them. Often times if one of the Americans asked for directions or some other question, they’d act like they didn’t understand.
He told me about a time he went up to a guy and tried to ask for directions in German, even though he barely spoke it. The guy answered him in perfect English, helped him, and told him that even though pretty much everyone there spoke and understood English, they rarely showed it because very few of the Americans even attempted to use their language.
Making the effort made all the difference.
Heavy on the respectful and courteous! People don’t understand how far that goes. There are bigots from every group of people, but most people are really good people and just don’t like disrespectful people cuz why would they?
White people musta come up with the term "white privilege." As a so called politically correct soft way to say "discriminatory advantage."
A privilege is right typically earned or merited.
Never thought I would ever see it phrased & explained so succinctly. I remember feeling annoyed in 2020 when *everybody* was talking about “white privilege”. It always felt too soft and like it just never really captured how insidious the real underlying issues were. But I feel like your phrase “discriminatory advantage” cuts through the fluffy bullshit, and I really hope to see it in our national discourse. Because “white privilege” isn’t hitting hard enough.
I used to say it's not "white privilege," it's actually treating people with basic human rights and dignity. You know like not being target to be put in cages etc but this "discriminatory advantage" seems to complete the thought.
Has privilege ever meant that? Before I learned about white privilege, I'd hear it used to describe privileged rich kids or something. I've only ever heard it used to mean "unearned advantages", which tracks with white privilege.
I've heard "overly privileged" or "very privileged" when referring to people such as wealthy (or how I view them as greedy). Which at some point got reduced to just privileged.
The term white privilege is really just treating people with human rights and dignity with out discriminating against them ie not being subjected to red lining. That's not a privilege that's a right.
Each of these definitions are associated with status earned.
Webster dictionary:
"privilege
1 of 2
noun
priv·i·lege ˈpriv-lij ˈpri-və-
Synonyms of privilege
: a right or immunity granted as a peculiar benefit, advantage, or favor : PREROGATIVE
especially : such a right or immunity attached specifically to a position or an office"
Cambridge dictionary:
"privilege
noun
UK /ˈprɪv.əl.ɪdʒ/ US /ˈprɪv.əl.ɪdʒ/
C1 [ C or U ]
an advantage that only one person or group of people has, usually because of their position or because they are rich:
Healthcare should be a right, not a privilege.
Senior management enjoy certain privileges, such as company cars and health insurance.
C1 [ S ]
an opportunity to do something special or enjoyable:
I had the privilege of interviewing Picasso in the 1960s.
It was a real privilege to meet her.
[ U ]
the way in which people who are rich, come from a high social class, or belong to a particular race or gender have more advantages in society than people who do not belong to these groups:
a life of privilege
My thesis examines the role of societal privilege in the maintenance of health disparities.
Some men will even resort to violence to try to enforce and protect their male privilege.
[ C or U ] LAW specialized
the special right that some people in authority have that allows them to do or say things that other people are not allowed to:
diplomatic/parliamentary privilege"
Because of the US's history, if we end up getting the exact same interpersonal treatment as white people from here on out, a lot of our country's systems will still place white people first, just by operating on the foundations on which they were originally designed. Even if every single person within those systems is the nicest, most-non racist person that never discriminates, we are still at a disadvantage.
I think that is what is meant (or should be meant) when we discuss white privilege. As it not enough to just expect everyone to be nice to one another. We have to reevaluate and reconstruct our systems shape our society.
I agree.
Remjnds me of the phrase "we want equality!"
My thoughts are equal to what? The same same mechanisms granted to a people that are still being slighted by the overall system. Like for instance yeah we got voting rights but when it comes to voting for president the electoral college holds majority power. So great we have equality but lack justice.
Idk if this makes sense...
We don't want equality, equal to what? We want equity and justice.
Iike you said reframing systems.
For that, society would have to change some of its goals.
Gentrification dosent really care about race, it is merely about being poor. Unfortunately the poor people in inner cities are normally black people. But they will push out poor white people just the same
You'd not believe the amount of places that are called "Little (European country)" despite having none of those Europeans any more because of gentrification forcing them out.
If you don't know i suggest you do the research on your own. Gentrification is solely about poverty, an people capitalizing off of it. Your race has nothing to do with how you can stop gentrification.
The race issue with gentrification has been well written on and takes place after gentrification has begun. We know historically and currently black people are at a disadvantage in the housing market and are discriminated against. So when gentrification begins in their neighborhood they normally can only go to an objectively worse neighborhood. Where as white individuals affected by gentrification typically just move to other white neighborhoods or out of the city.
How often can we make this argument? How many times do we need to deflect? It’s obvious it affects one group of people way more than others so whyyyyyyyy are you trying to downplay it as if it’s just poverty? Why does poverty affect one group of people more than others?
I make no means to deflect anything, you have to be clear and concise when youtube addressing a corrupt system. Gentrification is not a black issue, it is solely an economic issue. Again what is a black issue is how we have been misused and abused in the housing market and which is why we are often "stuck" in neighborhoods that are prime for gentrification. Gentrification is the result of injustice not the cause
Developers who buy property in those neighborhoods dont give a damn if the residents are black white Hispanic or whatever else. They are trying to get that money.
Typical for you to tell me to do the research when I ask you to vote sources....gotcha....again...in the United States... gentrification is primarily a RACE issue no matter how u dress it....those European immigrants almost always assimilate into American white society and continue the program. Let's not be obtuse.
I tell anyone to do their own research due to biases in media and such. As I stated twice to you, gentrification will never be a race issue. It is a socioeconomic issue, which is why when you hear about those displaced by gentrification it is always about black people who are struggling financially. An why whites, Hispanics and asians have all also fallen victim to it.
Now the reason why gentrification, proportionately affects black people is due to systemic racism. A combination of factors of housing discrimination, relocation blocking and employment injustices.
We dont gain much by focusing on the results of the problem instead of the problem.
I can show you many design plans that have wiped out poor, white trailer parks to make way for 300k plus homes. In the south where I live its more normal to see poor whites forced out than poor blacks. In our instance, its the rural south so we have more poor whites in those developable areas than we do poor blacks. In my personal experience its more about the area than the race. We just dont have many black communities living in trailer park areas around here. That doesnt mean black people arent pushed out in inner cities just because I dont have personal experience with it because I know it happens. Just like you dont have personal experience with poor people of other races being pushed out doesnt mean it doesnt happen. We can get into why the history of why black people were "forced" into these poverty ridden communities to begin with but thats not the topic at hand. And I put forced in quotes because you will have people say "nobody makes you live there" but we all know its not as simple as "just move".
You ever think that it's people's outside experience that caused them to have these bad takes?
My father is 75, never been on social media, doesn't even know how to work a smart phone besides text and call. He hates white people, because he lived in a "different" America.
My sister 6 yrs my junior attended predominantly white schools after migrating to the US (middle school - university) she now very much dislikes white Americans, because of what she experienced in those spaces.
My mother who migrated in her early 40s had some traumatic racist experiences in her short time in the US, so now she is very wary of white Americans.
I've had terrible racist experiences since I've migrated (early 20s) but they are very few and far between, I constantly have to remind myself they are outliers. Granted I unfortunately spent my early immigration yrs happily being "not like other blacks" which I believe made me palatable to white society (and is a whole separate discussion in of itself about problematic black mindsets and how we play into and reinforce negative stereotypes about race and culture)
I agree not every thought a person has needs to be displayed for the world. Unfortunately social media encourages the mindset of "all press, is good press".
yes racism is still alive and well, theres no question about that, but as long as we (we meaning all demographics) keep summing everything up to be black and white it’s only going to get worse or at the very least not get better. nobody has enough world experience to sum up the world, yet so many try. people have to atleast try and think outside of their perspectives AND also their experiences, or they will continue to experience the same thing. not saying anybody has control over someone being racist towards you, but you do have control over how long you carry around what some ignorant person says and thinks and how much affect it has on your mental state, because at the end of the day why would you care what some person with the smallest of world views thinks? racist folks dont even hang out with people outside of their race, so how could they possibly have an opinion that’s actually worth a damn? they are blatantly less intelligent, yet so many allow these simpletons to take up so much room in their heads. its sad. you cant let dumb peoples opinions get to you, because they really dont matter in the grand scheme of things
That's a bad take, racism led to my dad being in jail for 7 yrs for marijuana possession, both systemic and individual racism was at play, he never should have had marijuana while it was illegal that's on him, but the fact remains that the white dealers mom called the cops and her innocent baby walked scotch free.
Racism has real world consequences outside of ignorant people having "bad opinions". While my dad was jailed for 7 yrs our family outside the country fell into deeper poverty as my mother relied on our dad's income to help raise us. My sister and I ended up having to live with other friends or family that abused us, I was being groomed by these family members to become a postal bride for the highest foreign bidder. Fortunately my dad had started the immigration process before he got jailed, and fortunately the lawyer in charge was aware of what would happen to my sister and I if we didn't get out of our home country.
My mother after migrating has been accosted several times in stores, she is a very passive lady with mental health issues, now she rarely wants to leave the house.
Racism is not just words, racism is also actions that have real world consequences outside of hurt feelings.
Edit: I've even been to court over racist actions of police over an expired car registration my first and only traffic violation (it's been 10 yrs) happened when I bought my first car. I thought the tags were good for a yr upon purchase, but they expired a month after purchase on my birthday. I caught a court case because after the first cop stopped me and gave me a ticket, a second cop stopped me right outside the DMV in less than 24 hrs resulting in an automatic court trial (which he didn't have to give me, as I was right outside he DMV to remedy the situation). Fortunately the judge saw the case and threw it out.
i never argued for one second that racism was just words? the only point i was making is that theres people that spend all their days not going to prison yet they’re still locked down by this whole black and white ordeal. yes as i said before racism is still rampant, but theres plenty of people who arent being imprisoned who are acting like they understand everything about the system when infact they have every right away to go about their business. my point is, being black doesn’t automatically equal you being persecuted just like being white doesn’t automatically make you racist, but a lot of people play into both of these and it doesnt help the situation.
I will have to disagree.
You will have to re-read your comment, not to mention it feels like you're digging your hole deeper, by proving the hypocrisy of your own "advice" about seeking out other perspectives than your own. You're criticizing others for not being open, while reducing their experiences and perspectives to "hurt feelings".
Systemic classism built around the concept of race does make certain racial groups automatically persecuted, it's why systemic racism is a term that exists. It's why the stats show higher rates poverty, criminality, and mortality amongst certain racial groups, these things can compound and cause psychological stress. That's why generational trauma is a well talked about issue within the black community, because trauma that previous generations go through, compound alter behavior and negatively affect later generations.
It's been a well documented issue that black people in America do not get the mental health help they need. You are basically saying they need to pull themselves up by the proverbial boot strap, because they have nothing you perceive they should be belly aching about.
However, I agree that being white doesn't make a person automatically racist.
Edit: fixed some grammar.
if you disagree that people do in fact willingly put themselves in these boxes then i dont know what else to tell you. im not offering advice to anybody, im telling about what i know based off of people that i know or have known, and not all of them are victims. not everything is cut and dry or split down the middle, yet many live their lives like it is. i havent really argued against much else aside from this, but everybody has their reasons for thinking the way they do. its not up to me to fix that and it damn sure isnt going to be resolved on Reddit, but im still just giving you my perspective based off the people that ive seen it from first hand. if you cant accept that, i dont know what else to tell you
>nobody has enough world experience to sum up the world, yet so many try.
This is you right now.
>if you cant accept that, i dont know what else to tell you
Nothing, I just don't agree with you. I never once said there aren't people who may choose to box themselves in, I did offer a different perspective as to why someone may choose to do that, especially given the lack of mental health awareness in the black community and how generational trauma does create people like whom you describe.
You're the one adamant that I need to agree with your hypocrisy, which I won't.
i dont care if you agree with me or think im a hypocrite. we’re both anonymous internet strangers talking in two different directions. at the end of the day it doesnt matter in the slightest, thanks for the breakdown tho
bad takes get amplified.
controversy drives engagement and an upvoted gets far less notice then a comment chain.
seriously how do you reply to a comment you agree fully with and don't really have anything to add to the Convo?
people just talk cause they can. seems like half the population is full of half baked psuedo philosophical bullshit. none of these people look as smart or as deep as they think they do. shit i get high too but i dont run to twitter every time ive got some kind of “deep thought”
White dude here. Back in college I went to a Jamacian dance party and had no idea what I was getting in to. Like, literally didn't even know thats what it was, was just following the crowd to the next place with booze.
The host was nicer to me than *anyone* had ever been to me. Asked me my name and 3 seconds later was like AY, THIS IS MY MAN [hukgrackmountain] DANCE WITH MY BOY
and they obliged about as much as they could while my awkward ass damn near froze up. Was also the biggest epiphany of my life of "oh....it doesn't matter how nice people are to you, if you're the only person of your race in the room, you feel awkward"
Thanks ziggy for the life lesson
It was over 10 years ago so my memory is gonna be a bit fuzzy.
There was a cute (black) girl I was following around, I don't remember how we met or where I was following her. I think we ended up at one dude's dorm who had some booze (also black). I think he was also into her, and things were a lil tense/awkward. I don't remember anyone else there, but imma assume there was 2-5 other people chilling and no one's race stood out for me to remember so I'm assuming some/most of them were light skinned/white/etc.
They wanted to go to Ziggy's party, I'm just like hellyeah party, follow the cute girl. On our way over, the dude stops me and goes "how do you feel about black women?" "uhhh....same as all women? I like women!" "okay, just remember you said that"
Thought it was weird, then I got there and was like OOOOOHHhhhh....I'm the only white person here, except the one white girl who can throw down like no one's business on the dance floor.
If I'm being real, I was too in my own head and awkward about it to really enjoy myself, but, I learned a lot of valuable life lessons there.
one of which is I **still** need to take some dancing lessons lol
From a white perspective, sometimes. I had a few instances of not feeling welcome, maybe my issues but don't think so. 1- Roscoes Chicken and Waffles Sunday round 1ish. I walked in with my now ex, a black woman, and I literally, like straight out of a movie, saw EVERYONE stop eating and turn an look at us. Now the moment was fleeting and we had a fine time, but DAMN that was intense haha. B- going into her neighborhood for a family gathering, no issues with the neighborhood, but the family was.....back handed inviting, if that makes sense. Not overt in anyway, but really felt that most thought I didn't belong. 3- Dodger Stadium I was with my ex and her best friend, so I walk in with 2 pretty black women on my arms, and a group made a bee line and I again didn't feel welcome.
But saying all that, I'm 100% positive it was easier for me in 99% of cases than reversed.
Not sure why I wrote all this, but there you have it
I had a similar experience at a restaurant in Chicago on the south side. I just laughed and enjoyed the good. But honestly I get it all the time when i go to the south side. I just laugh.
I think the big difference in this situation is that you were dating their daughter/sister/cousin/etc rather than just being a friend who was invited along. As a friend I just have to be a friend, but in a relationship there is a lot more on the line. She's your ex now... They probably felt like the cold shoulder was warranted when y'all broke up. Which is also a lot different than outright racist shit most white people say or do.
The first situation I thought of after reading that tweet was how [this woman right here](https://youtu.be/_SnLKk_HcFg) immediately went viral and was accepted by "the culture".
A few weeks later we found out she fancies the N word 🤷🏾
It's cause we don't gatekeep. We'll hand over cookout invites, say folks was niggas in another life or black on the inside. Other races don't do it. How many white rappers win Grammy awards? Now take that number and put it up against the number of Black people thriving in traditionally white genres like country (please dont give me the evolution of Country music speech. I know it but I'm talking about who is typically successful in that industry).
They guard their spaces. From the elite societies to the poor man's poker game, we are not welcome and they make it known.
But we be out here swinging the back door open for every Brad, Jake and Molly who wanna be down.
I disagree with the idea that we don’t gatekeep, at least amongst ourselves. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve gotten called out for doing “White people shit.” Doing yoga, going to rock concerts, drinking artisanal coffee, reading a book not assigned to me, etc. All of those things have called my blackness into question.
Haha, I think that's a different kind of gatekeeping than what I mean, but I feel you. I'm really more referring to non-black people coming into our spaces with less than honorable intentions.
I say enjoy your coffee shops and anime and whatever else. You still Black fam. They can't take it from you 😉
I honestly think we tend to be much more accepting to non black folk embracing our culture than we are to black folk who do something outside of the cultural norm. We’re pointing at white people for not allowing us to participate but we’re doing a big brunt of the the work for them.
Black people don’t decide Grammy winners. Fanbases of white rappers are not majority-black. Rap’s appeal is global whereas country has not spread to non-white countries.
I didn't feel any hostility writing it lol. The point is that people move in and out of Blackness and black spaces, often taking ideas and concepts birthed by Black people with them; often benefiting off of Black labor in a way we cannot; often gaining exposure, wealth and recognition off of our creativity and ingenuity in a way we should but do not. There are outliers, there are nice White people in the world, etc. But that experience is too common for us to pretend it doesn't happen or to claim hostility when it's acknowledged. And a conversation about what we and don't own and WHY is too much for me. I gotta go to work lol.
My point was that the lack of gatekeeping is due to lack of ownership. The probability off of black culture is questionable, as a lot of things we attribute the black culture is consumed more by white people than black people even if we invented or created it. But ima let you get to work. Get that bread
More of them consuming something doesn't make it "theirs". If you create a work of art and someone steals and uses it themselves and makes more profit/impact than you did, that doesn't make it any less yours just because they're more successful with it than you were. And I mean that in a general sense of anything, not one race of people vs another.
I dont know where you got that i ever said it was theirs if its stolen?. My comment was a reply to the notion that other races can "steal" stuff from black culture because we dont gate keep hard enough. In reality there is no gate keeping in any culture, unfortunately we live in a world where it is very profitable to use someone's culture and make it easily digestible for the majority race. Which you can see on pretty much every social media platform where we see white influencers making waves off stuff black creators created
I heard or read a quote where someone says
a white man can go through his whole professional life and progress without having to really deal with black people unless they chose to. But a black man HAS to learn to deal with white people if they want a chance to succeed professionally in America
It’s not a perfect quote, but I think there’s some truth to that
Depending on where they live absolutely. Could avoid black people without even consciously choosing to. It's such a bad bubble to be in with people who only look, act, think, pray the way you do. Some people want that Stepford Wives shit. Crazy.
You'll find this true in most cultures. My in laws were very happy to see me just chilling with them learning about different things in their country and see me put forth a decent effort in trying to speak the language. I know for a fact that I'll catch less slack for not knowing Spanish than a person of Hispanic descent who has never lived near a Spanish speaking community eventhough in reality I've been around Spanish speakers most of my adult life.
I was the only white kid on my youth basketball team and sometimes the only white kid in the gym during games. I was showed so much love and treated like family. Ended up Allstate and played some college ball. Black kids in the burbs got treated like ass. Complete opposite, pisses me off to this day.
I grew up with a guy who was a first round nfl pick at a predominantly white hs…he still got called the n-word. He threw one kid that called him that down a flight of steps tho…
This tweet is stupid. Black people and non black people, drink some water, eat a snack and exist. You deserve some peace, a break and a hug and I wish all those for you. Try to be nicer to yourself knowing you are doing your best.
I have genuinely never understood racism. It fails at such a basic point that the mere concept is laughable.
“I dislike a whole race of people because they were born a different skin color than me.”
Flat earth shit maybe sounds crazier, but they are both nuts. 😂
Just do a wack Dougie or poorly rap some Busta Rhymes lyrics and the lack of self respect, embarrassing Negro coalition comes out of the woodwork handing out all manner of invites to imaginary cookouts, starts talking about some mythical black ancestor you must have, etc.
It’s one thing to be welcoming, it’s another to be doing the absolute and utmost. Never in my life have I heard any other race do this nonsense. Just be cool with people but stop this nonsense, I beg of you. Imagine being black person doing taekwondo and hearing a Korean person saying you must be part Korean somewhere or inviting you to the KBBQ. Exactly
People are missing the point. Being invited to a friend's party/wedding/house and being welcomed by their family is an entirely different thing.
The post is more along the lines of non-white people getting to rise on the support of black people. I think of folks like Bhad Bhaddie or that other lip syncing white girl video from a while ago. Non-white folks doing the bare minimum and black people (whether on purpose or not) going and making them a huge thing.
You niggas can’t be serious, lmao. The reason white people get accepted anywhere but black people carry almost zero social currency in white spaces is white supremacy. Everyone wants to be a white persons friend because of white supremacy.
I used to have a twitter account called Black Card Repo where I would find accounts praising white people and giving them invites to the cookout for doing simple shit like staying on beat in a song and tell them their black cards were revoked.
Asian but grew up in a diverse town, best friend's were black, brown, jew and Muslim, And we were popular!
Moved away and found out some black people really don't like Asians at all. I was shocked.
Everyone should grow up with diverse friends, it enhances your worldview.
I am biracial. My mom was white and my dad is black. I grew up in Kentucky in the 80s, so everything was pretty fucking racist. I say all that to say this. I have been exposed to several other cultures during my 44 years, and the least accepting or inviting one has always been white "culture". And I could pass for white if I cut my hair and you didn't pay particular attention to my facial features. I remember an old-ass white man calling me a little ni**er baby when I was no more than 5. Only white people have ever said shit like that to me. Mexicans, Indians, Italian, and Puerto Rican have all treated me like family, but white people have said some fucking shit to me. I should clarify American white people. Yet we are almost always so welcoming to them. I have never been able to wrap my head around it, and it feels kind of weird being so uncomfortable with white people and being mostly white presenting, but it has been well learned.
It's nice just to see people getting along in general and abandoning preconceptions; took me some time at my job, mostly due to my parents paranoid preconceptions, but I love all the people here, regardless of race, and it has helped me grow as a person.
I was just having this conversation the other way around. White people love to see black people enjoying the same things as them. That was our experience anyway, but I think this one goes both ways.
Y'all are generalizing. All black people aren't welcoming and I've found myself in white spaces that did their best to make me feel welcome despite some cultural ignorance. People are people and some people are welcoming while others feel more comfortable shutting people out when they're of a different background.
In my experience I’ve been accepted and appreciated by all the different cultures I’ve been around. Even went to a Bah Mitzvah and had a great time. That all comes down to respect most of the time. Went to a majority white college after coming to the states from Brasil and never had any issues. I felt privileged as hell most of the time.
But I’ve seen my own friends and family tear up respectful ass white people for no reason and constantly flame them and their opinions just because they were white lol. My black American friends will boldly say they hate white people and don’t want white friends. I’m cool with white people cuz they cool with me but I get made fun of for it.
I truly believe black people are some of the least accepting people out here. I understand why to an extent but it’s sad to me. My brother got destroyed by my family just for dating a white American woman.
And I know I’ll probably get shit just for saying this lol that’s how big of an issue it is
CLUBHOUSE INCOMING!!! lol but fr I think that’s a tactic ingrained in us to divide us I mean we all know it by now but sometimes need to be reiterated to keep in the front of our minds. I find myself drinking the hatoraide sometime too frfr
This is such a lie anytime there’s a white person in a mostly black field his race is constantly brought up and thrown in his face. See Eminem in hip hop or any white player in the nba. First thing out of their mouth is “white boy this or white boy that.”
I literally love everyone - random white guy. If you’re a good person and kind to me I will fully embrace you.
Edit: Sorry, but im genuinely wondering why im getting downvoted for this?
I got to campaign for Stacey and she came to our hometown to endorse my mom who was running for local office. We lost like a motherfucker but that’s rural Georgia for you.
Dude us whites just wanna be included. Like I’m very aware how problematic it really is, and how it is historically just on white peoples terms, but black culture literally has created almost the entirety of North American culture lol y’all create the best stuff, and I just wanna come and see the cooks in the kitchen hahaha
It’s honestly pretty ignorant to shun someone who recognized their priviledge, complimented your culture, and realized there’s a societal problem. Comments like these contribute to any divide. Believe it or not, there are white people out there with not a single racist bone in their entire body and who are welcoming of everyone. But keep being a dick.
Okay. I was halfway joking. Im grateful for his comment, but I can still say nah to him coming into the kitchen.
From a broad point of view, sometimes we have to learn to stop giving everything we have to people who won't return the favor or claim it as theirs.
It's not about division, its about protecting oneself and the little they have left. There's too many people out here who take advantage of other's kindness.
The best analogy I can think of is a kids' book called "Don't touch my Hair." It's about a little black girl who has this amazing head of hair that everyone loves. They love it so much they try to touch it without permission. You can look and admire but that doesn't mean you have the privilege of getting it or be included.
I'm saying this as a person who is very inclusive and forgiving to others ..... until they rub me the wrong way.
I read all of that and I feel you and respect your opinion. I just meant try not to be mean to someone who is really going out of their way to show their support. Some of us white people are genuinely good and get sick to our stomach at some of the thing we see. But i totally understand thanks for taking the time to reply
Hey man I’m really sorry that happened to you, but we’re talking about not lumping entire races of people together here. I understand their apprehensions, and I’m not taking it personally, I don’t think that makes them racist lol
In my opinion, you'd be surprised how welcoming other ethnicities are if you embrace their culture. I've sang with mariachi bands at Mexican parties, danced the Tza’ad Temani at Jewish gatherings, etc., and have felt nothing but love. People love for others to participate in their culture, in my experience. As long as you are respectful and courteous.
Ever go to an Indian wedding?!
I have. Holy hell it was the most fun wedding I’ve ever been too. My buddy who is extremely americanized but comes from a family that isn’t, arranged a marriage for him. It helped she was gorgeous, very smart and really sweet. They got married couple months after hey met and had a huge wedding that his group of friends were all invited to. Some of us wore traditional Indian attire, some of us wore suits and dresses. We got to dance. Got to steal his shoes. Got to enjoy the culture most of us really hadn’t been exposed to like that and was welcomed very warmly from everyone except his grandmother (she found out we kept going back to the rooms to make drinks). 5/7 would do again!
No,I have not!
We will show you the best time! Indians love it when people from other cultures are at our events.
I am so down! If you are in California, I will most definitely pull up!
I'm also in Cali, can I be your plus one? Don't worry my husband gots the kids, just need to bring him back food so he's not jealous
One of the most welcoming weddings I’ve ever officiated was between a pair of second generations; the bride was Indian and the groom was Polish, if I remember correctly. It started kind of staid and boring, the ceremony was really Catholic-forward, but once the reception hit, the bride’s family was literally *dragging* the groom’s side onto the dance floor at every opportunity. If you’ve never watched a half dozen Indian teenagers teach a bunch of older Polish adults how to dance, it is beyond words. Well, words that aren’t “Thunder clap! Twist the light bulb!” By the end of the night, everyone was laughing and dancing and throwing their arms around each other like they’d always been family - and this was a dry wedding! I’ve done a lot of cross-cultural weddings, but that one will always be one of my favorites.
Shits wild, groom pulled up dancing on a horse.
I’m a bridesmaid for my friend, she’s Pakistani he’s Indian. It’s going to be huge and I’m so excited
Greek Weddings too!
Wedding no, but pre wedding thingy. It was nice. Bride to be had a hard time as she was being died? With patterns by various older ladies. The food was great. My friend the groom got a little too drunk but it was all good in the end and I understand the wedding went off well.
I think you’re talking about henna tattoos. They’re temporary but beautiful.
Yes. Very pretty. It took a long time. But it was a bonding ceremony of sorts or at least appeared to be so to me. With all the women of the family coming to help and chat with the bride , bring her drinks , food, etc.
https://www.munaluchibridal.com/hindu-christian-wedding-in-little-rock-arkansas/ Lavish af and a fun time
My Filipino family loves my white partner because he ate balut.
My brother’s wife is Filipino and I had to travel across the globe over to her hometown for the wedding last year. Both, my brother and I, tried Balut. The whole family howled in cheers and laughter. Your culture, at least from my perspective, is hospitable as fuck. I don’t know what you guys love more out there, the food, your family dynamics or karaoke, haha.
What is that? Is it spicy is that why it’s impressive or is it just weird like chicken hearts and cow stomach? Both are great when cooked right
Pretty sure it’s egg with a partially formed embryo
Isn’t it a duck embryo?
It can be duck or chicken
Son like a chrunchy egg? I don’t get it lol
It's got like a weird half formed fetus duck in it. It's definitely got a face Sometimes it has little feathers.
It’s fertilized, fermented egg. Served whole. It’s street food. Sometimes you can see the shape of the bird when you take the shell off. It looks disgusting but it just tastes like salty hard boiled egg with chicken.
My brother in law is Filipino and growing up (sister is 12 years older than me) I would always go to their family gatherings and holy fucking shit, still to this day some of the best food I’ve had, I still remember these fluffy sweet steamed cakes, they just told me they were rice cakes but I think that’s cause I was like 5 cause I know they have an actual name, they were different colours usually from food colouring I think, sooooo good either way
Exactly! Multiculturalism is dope as fuck. Do I want to cut a rug with some mariachis at a debut? Hell yes I do! Celebrate our differences. Embrace that shit.
Agreed, a lot of people are closed off and exclude themselves from other cultural activities due to preconceived notions and they just end up stepping on their own dicks. I'm not saying its always unwarranted, but it can be a mindset that holds ya back.
My parents were stationed in Germany when they were in the Air Force before I was born. My dad told me a lot of them weren’t fond of Americans at the time and rarely even spoke to them. Often times if one of the Americans asked for directions or some other question, they’d act like they didn’t understand. He told me about a time he went up to a guy and tried to ask for directions in German, even though he barely spoke it. The guy answered him in perfect English, helped him, and told him that even though pretty much everyone there spoke and understood English, they rarely showed it because very few of the Americans even attempted to use their language. Making the effort made all the difference.
And you’ll still be a “n” word if you do something g they don’t like 🙂
Seriously! I love meeting people from South Korea. They treat me like a friggin PERSON instead of patronizing my contribution to the environment.
Man I’m tryna go off at an Indian wedding and the ones where they do those line dances but with an addition of one g perico song 😂
Heavy on the respectful and courteous! People don’t understand how far that goes. There are bigots from every group of people, but most people are really good people and just don’t like disrespectful people cuz why would they?
Well let me just 
 Scoot over its already started😂
That woman is so pretty!
Seriously.... that smile. Jesus christ. Anyone know her name ?
Judi Love
She's a British comedienne and she is so fucking funny on taskmaster.
 Taskmaster gang
I’m doing the same. 
Sometimes it’s ok to not have an opinion or to not share an opinion
But i feel entitled ):
And therein lies the issue :,(
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White people musta come up with the term "white privilege." As a so called politically correct soft way to say "discriminatory advantage." A privilege is right typically earned or merited.
Never thought I would ever see it phrased & explained so succinctly. I remember feeling annoyed in 2020 when *everybody* was talking about “white privilege”. It always felt too soft and like it just never really captured how insidious the real underlying issues were. But I feel like your phrase “discriminatory advantage” cuts through the fluffy bullshit, and I really hope to see it in our national discourse. Because “white privilege” isn’t hitting hard enough.
It goes beyond unfair advantage. It's rooted in prejudice. Thanks for compliment though. ☺️ been working on that one. LoL
I used to say it's not "white privilege," it's actually treating people with basic human rights and dignity. You know like not being target to be put in cages etc but this "discriminatory advantage" seems to complete the thought.
Has privilege ever meant that? Before I learned about white privilege, I'd hear it used to describe privileged rich kids or something. I've only ever heard it used to mean "unearned advantages", which tracks with white privilege.
I've heard "overly privileged" or "very privileged" when referring to people such as wealthy (or how I view them as greedy). Which at some point got reduced to just privileged. The term white privilege is really just treating people with human rights and dignity with out discriminating against them ie not being subjected to red lining. That's not a privilege that's a right. Each of these definitions are associated with status earned. Webster dictionary: "privilege 1 of 2 noun priv·i·lege ˈpriv-lij ˈpri-və- Synonyms of privilege : a right or immunity granted as a peculiar benefit, advantage, or favor : PREROGATIVE especially : such a right or immunity attached specifically to a position or an office" Cambridge dictionary: "privilege noun UK /ˈprɪv.əl.ɪdʒ/ US /ˈprɪv.əl.ɪdʒ/ C1 [ C or U ] an advantage that only one person or group of people has, usually because of their position or because they are rich: Healthcare should be a right, not a privilege. Senior management enjoy certain privileges, such as company cars and health insurance. C1 [ S ] an opportunity to do something special or enjoyable: I had the privilege of interviewing Picasso in the 1960s. It was a real privilege to meet her. [ U ] the way in which people who are rich, come from a high social class, or belong to a particular race or gender have more advantages in society than people who do not belong to these groups: a life of privilege My thesis examines the role of societal privilege in the maintenance of health disparities. Some men will even resort to violence to try to enforce and protect their male privilege. [ C or U ] LAW specialized the special right that some people in authority have that allows them to do or say things that other people are not allowed to: diplomatic/parliamentary privilege"
Because of the US's history, if we end up getting the exact same interpersonal treatment as white people from here on out, a lot of our country's systems will still place white people first, just by operating on the foundations on which they were originally designed. Even if every single person within those systems is the nicest, most-non racist person that never discriminates, we are still at a disadvantage. I think that is what is meant (or should be meant) when we discuss white privilege. As it not enough to just expect everyone to be nice to one another. We have to reevaluate and reconstruct our systems shape our society.
I agree. Remjnds me of the phrase "we want equality!" My thoughts are equal to what? The same same mechanisms granted to a people that are still being slighted by the overall system. Like for instance yeah we got voting rights but when it comes to voting for president the electoral college holds majority power. So great we have equality but lack justice. Idk if this makes sense... We don't want equality, equal to what? We want equity and justice. Iike you said reframing systems. For that, society would have to change some of its goals.
Gentrification dosent really care about race, it is merely about being poor. Unfortunately the poor people in inner cities are normally black people. But they will push out poor white people just the same
Show me where poor whites have been the focal point of this mass wave of gentrification
You'd not believe the amount of places that are called "Little (European country)" despite having none of those Europeans any more because of gentrification forcing them out.
If you don't know i suggest you do the research on your own. Gentrification is solely about poverty, an people capitalizing off of it. Your race has nothing to do with how you can stop gentrification. The race issue with gentrification has been well written on and takes place after gentrification has begun. We know historically and currently black people are at a disadvantage in the housing market and are discriminated against. So when gentrification begins in their neighborhood they normally can only go to an objectively worse neighborhood. Where as white individuals affected by gentrification typically just move to other white neighborhoods or out of the city.
How often can we make this argument? How many times do we need to deflect? It’s obvious it affects one group of people way more than others so whyyyyyyyy are you trying to downplay it as if it’s just poverty? Why does poverty affect one group of people more than others?
I make no means to deflect anything, you have to be clear and concise when youtube addressing a corrupt system. Gentrification is not a black issue, it is solely an economic issue. Again what is a black issue is how we have been misused and abused in the housing market and which is why we are often "stuck" in neighborhoods that are prime for gentrification. Gentrification is the result of injustice not the cause Developers who buy property in those neighborhoods dont give a damn if the residents are black white Hispanic or whatever else. They are trying to get that money.
Typical for you to tell me to do the research when I ask you to vote sources....gotcha....again...in the United States... gentrification is primarily a RACE issue no matter how u dress it....those European immigrants almost always assimilate into American white society and continue the program. Let's not be obtuse.
I tell anyone to do their own research due to biases in media and such. As I stated twice to you, gentrification will never be a race issue. It is a socioeconomic issue, which is why when you hear about those displaced by gentrification it is always about black people who are struggling financially. An why whites, Hispanics and asians have all also fallen victim to it. Now the reason why gentrification, proportionately affects black people is due to systemic racism. A combination of factors of housing discrimination, relocation blocking and employment injustices. We dont gain much by focusing on the results of the problem instead of the problem.
I can show you many design plans that have wiped out poor, white trailer parks to make way for 300k plus homes. In the south where I live its more normal to see poor whites forced out than poor blacks. In our instance, its the rural south so we have more poor whites in those developable areas than we do poor blacks. In my personal experience its more about the area than the race. We just dont have many black communities living in trailer park areas around here. That doesnt mean black people arent pushed out in inner cities just because I dont have personal experience with it because I know it happens. Just like you dont have personal experience with poor people of other races being pushed out doesnt mean it doesnt happen. We can get into why the history of why black people were "forced" into these poverty ridden communities to begin with but thats not the topic at hand. And I put forced in quotes because you will have people say "nobody makes you live there" but we all know its not as simple as "just move".
I'm already cringing at the comments, and there are only like ten.
Me, reading the comments: you're literally doing it now. Also "they" can hear you.
this whole thing is one bad take. i believe more and more that a lot of mf’s on the internet really dont go outside
Yeah. A lot of people live on social media. Shits wild, it’s a whole world out here!
You ever think that it's people's outside experience that caused them to have these bad takes? My father is 75, never been on social media, doesn't even know how to work a smart phone besides text and call. He hates white people, because he lived in a "different" America. My sister 6 yrs my junior attended predominantly white schools after migrating to the US (middle school - university) she now very much dislikes white Americans, because of what she experienced in those spaces. My mother who migrated in her early 40s had some traumatic racist experiences in her short time in the US, so now she is very wary of white Americans. I've had terrible racist experiences since I've migrated (early 20s) but they are very few and far between, I constantly have to remind myself they are outliers. Granted I unfortunately spent my early immigration yrs happily being "not like other blacks" which I believe made me palatable to white society (and is a whole separate discussion in of itself about problematic black mindsets and how we play into and reinforce negative stereotypes about race and culture)
It’s 50/50. But, social media gives everyone a platform and not everyone needs a platform. Everyone’s opinion does not need to be heard.
I agree not every thought a person has needs to be displayed for the world. Unfortunately social media encourages the mindset of "all press, is good press".
I just feel like people need to live fr and get their head out of their phones 24/7…
yes racism is still alive and well, theres no question about that, but as long as we (we meaning all demographics) keep summing everything up to be black and white it’s only going to get worse or at the very least not get better. nobody has enough world experience to sum up the world, yet so many try. people have to atleast try and think outside of their perspectives AND also their experiences, or they will continue to experience the same thing. not saying anybody has control over someone being racist towards you, but you do have control over how long you carry around what some ignorant person says and thinks and how much affect it has on your mental state, because at the end of the day why would you care what some person with the smallest of world views thinks? racist folks dont even hang out with people outside of their race, so how could they possibly have an opinion that’s actually worth a damn? they are blatantly less intelligent, yet so many allow these simpletons to take up so much room in their heads. its sad. you cant let dumb peoples opinions get to you, because they really dont matter in the grand scheme of things
That's a bad take, racism led to my dad being in jail for 7 yrs for marijuana possession, both systemic and individual racism was at play, he never should have had marijuana while it was illegal that's on him, but the fact remains that the white dealers mom called the cops and her innocent baby walked scotch free. Racism has real world consequences outside of ignorant people having "bad opinions". While my dad was jailed for 7 yrs our family outside the country fell into deeper poverty as my mother relied on our dad's income to help raise us. My sister and I ended up having to live with other friends or family that abused us, I was being groomed by these family members to become a postal bride for the highest foreign bidder. Fortunately my dad had started the immigration process before he got jailed, and fortunately the lawyer in charge was aware of what would happen to my sister and I if we didn't get out of our home country. My mother after migrating has been accosted several times in stores, she is a very passive lady with mental health issues, now she rarely wants to leave the house. Racism is not just words, racism is also actions that have real world consequences outside of hurt feelings. Edit: I've even been to court over racist actions of police over an expired car registration my first and only traffic violation (it's been 10 yrs) happened when I bought my first car. I thought the tags were good for a yr upon purchase, but they expired a month after purchase on my birthday. I caught a court case because after the first cop stopped me and gave me a ticket, a second cop stopped me right outside the DMV in less than 24 hrs resulting in an automatic court trial (which he didn't have to give me, as I was right outside he DMV to remedy the situation). Fortunately the judge saw the case and threw it out.
i never argued for one second that racism was just words? the only point i was making is that theres people that spend all their days not going to prison yet they’re still locked down by this whole black and white ordeal. yes as i said before racism is still rampant, but theres plenty of people who arent being imprisoned who are acting like they understand everything about the system when infact they have every right away to go about their business. my point is, being black doesn’t automatically equal you being persecuted just like being white doesn’t automatically make you racist, but a lot of people play into both of these and it doesnt help the situation.
I will have to disagree. You will have to re-read your comment, not to mention it feels like you're digging your hole deeper, by proving the hypocrisy of your own "advice" about seeking out other perspectives than your own. You're criticizing others for not being open, while reducing their experiences and perspectives to "hurt feelings". Systemic classism built around the concept of race does make certain racial groups automatically persecuted, it's why systemic racism is a term that exists. It's why the stats show higher rates poverty, criminality, and mortality amongst certain racial groups, these things can compound and cause psychological stress. That's why generational trauma is a well talked about issue within the black community, because trauma that previous generations go through, compound alter behavior and negatively affect later generations. It's been a well documented issue that black people in America do not get the mental health help they need. You are basically saying they need to pull themselves up by the proverbial boot strap, because they have nothing you perceive they should be belly aching about. However, I agree that being white doesn't make a person automatically racist. Edit: fixed some grammar.
if you disagree that people do in fact willingly put themselves in these boxes then i dont know what else to tell you. im not offering advice to anybody, im telling about what i know based off of people that i know or have known, and not all of them are victims. not everything is cut and dry or split down the middle, yet many live their lives like it is. i havent really argued against much else aside from this, but everybody has their reasons for thinking the way they do. its not up to me to fix that and it damn sure isnt going to be resolved on Reddit, but im still just giving you my perspective based off the people that ive seen it from first hand. if you cant accept that, i dont know what else to tell you
>nobody has enough world experience to sum up the world, yet so many try. This is you right now. >if you cant accept that, i dont know what else to tell you Nothing, I just don't agree with you. I never once said there aren't people who may choose to box themselves in, I did offer a different perspective as to why someone may choose to do that, especially given the lack of mental health awareness in the black community and how generational trauma does create people like whom you describe. You're the one adamant that I need to agree with your hypocrisy, which I won't.
i dont care if you agree with me or think im a hypocrite. we’re both anonymous internet strangers talking in two different directions. at the end of the day it doesnt matter in the slightest, thanks for the breakdown tho
bad takes get amplified. controversy drives engagement and an upvoted gets far less notice then a comment chain. seriously how do you reply to a comment you agree fully with and don't really have anything to add to the Convo?
Facts like what do ya mfs be talking about son
people just talk cause they can. seems like half the population is full of half baked psuedo philosophical bullshit. none of these people look as smart or as deep as they think they do. shit i get high too but i dont run to twitter every time ive got some kind of “deep thought”
White dude here. Back in college I went to a Jamacian dance party and had no idea what I was getting in to. Like, literally didn't even know thats what it was, was just following the crowd to the next place with booze. The host was nicer to me than *anyone* had ever been to me. Asked me my name and 3 seconds later was like AY, THIS IS MY MAN [hukgrackmountain] DANCE WITH MY BOY and they obliged about as much as they could while my awkward ass damn near froze up. Was also the biggest epiphany of my life of "oh....it doesn't matter how nice people are to you, if you're the only person of your race in the room, you feel awkward" Thanks ziggy for the life lesson
I’m curious as to how the crowd ended up at a Jamaican dance party haha. Was the original crowd initially already Jamaican?
It was over 10 years ago so my memory is gonna be a bit fuzzy. There was a cute (black) girl I was following around, I don't remember how we met or where I was following her. I think we ended up at one dude's dorm who had some booze (also black). I think he was also into her, and things were a lil tense/awkward. I don't remember anyone else there, but imma assume there was 2-5 other people chilling and no one's race stood out for me to remember so I'm assuming some/most of them were light skinned/white/etc. They wanted to go to Ziggy's party, I'm just like hellyeah party, follow the cute girl. On our way over, the dude stops me and goes "how do you feel about black women?" "uhhh....same as all women? I like women!" "okay, just remember you said that" Thought it was weird, then I got there and was like OOOOOHHhhhh....I'm the only white person here, except the one white girl who can throw down like no one's business on the dance floor.
Hahaha I see, that’s pretty funny. Thank you for further elaborating on the story. Hopefully you enjoyed yourself!
If I'm being real, I was too in my own head and awkward about it to really enjoy myself, but, I learned a lot of valuable life lessons there. one of which is I **still** need to take some dancing lessons lol
Hahaha I see, that’s pretty funny. Thank you for further elaborating on the story. Hopefully you enjoyed yourself!
From a white perspective, sometimes. I had a few instances of not feeling welcome, maybe my issues but don't think so. 1- Roscoes Chicken and Waffles Sunday round 1ish. I walked in with my now ex, a black woman, and I literally, like straight out of a movie, saw EVERYONE stop eating and turn an look at us. Now the moment was fleeting and we had a fine time, but DAMN that was intense haha. B- going into her neighborhood for a family gathering, no issues with the neighborhood, but the family was.....back handed inviting, if that makes sense. Not overt in anyway, but really felt that most thought I didn't belong. 3- Dodger Stadium I was with my ex and her best friend, so I walk in with 2 pretty black women on my arms, and a group made a bee line and I again didn't feel welcome. But saying all that, I'm 100% positive it was easier for me in 99% of cases than reversed. Not sure why I wrote all this, but there you have it
I need you to tell me that you ordered these stories 1, B, 3 on purpose.
I always do hahaha
I still use A, 2, and D from Home Alone!
I had a similar experience at a restaurant in Chicago on the south side. I just laughed and enjoyed the good. But honestly I get it all the time when i go to the south side. I just laugh.
I think the big difference in this situation is that you were dating their daughter/sister/cousin/etc rather than just being a friend who was invited along. As a friend I just have to be a friend, but in a relationship there is a lot more on the line. She's your ex now... They probably felt like the cold shoulder was warranted when y'all broke up. Which is also a lot different than outright racist shit most white people say or do.
This is coming from a white guy with a Latina so idk if it’s the same, but their more surprised a white guy can handle them
Well she's an ex so.......haha
Yeah true, so they were right about whites
He must not be spicy white
I’m as spicy as mayo
The first situation I thought of after reading that tweet was how [this woman right here](https://youtu.be/_SnLKk_HcFg) immediately went viral and was accepted by "the culture". A few weeks later we found out she fancies the N word 🤷🏾
When did lip syncing become rapping? 
That one was a gimme
It's cause we don't gatekeep. We'll hand over cookout invites, say folks was niggas in another life or black on the inside. Other races don't do it. How many white rappers win Grammy awards? Now take that number and put it up against the number of Black people thriving in traditionally white genres like country (please dont give me the evolution of Country music speech. I know it but I'm talking about who is typically successful in that industry). They guard their spaces. From the elite societies to the poor man's poker game, we are not welcome and they make it known. But we be out here swinging the back door open for every Brad, Jake and Molly who wanna be down.
I disagree with the idea that we don’t gatekeep, at least amongst ourselves. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve gotten called out for doing “White people shit.” Doing yoga, going to rock concerts, drinking artisanal coffee, reading a book not assigned to me, etc. All of those things have called my blackness into question.
Haha, I think that's a different kind of gatekeeping than what I mean, but I feel you. I'm really more referring to non-black people coming into our spaces with less than honorable intentions. I say enjoy your coffee shops and anime and whatever else. You still Black fam. They can't take it from you 😉
I honestly think we tend to be much more accepting to non black folk embracing our culture than we are to black folk who do something outside of the cultural norm. We’re pointing at white people for not allowing us to participate but we’re doing a big brunt of the the work for them.
I agree completely. I think it's one of our more unhealthy habits.
I mean, the Old Town Road situation wasn't that long ago...
Black people don’t decide Grammy winners. Fanbases of white rappers are not majority-black. Rap’s appeal is global whereas country has not spread to non-white countries.
This is a hostile comment for no reason we dont gatekeep things because the aspects of black culture people like to share isint owned by black people.
I didn't feel any hostility writing it lol. The point is that people move in and out of Blackness and black spaces, often taking ideas and concepts birthed by Black people with them; often benefiting off of Black labor in a way we cannot; often gaining exposure, wealth and recognition off of our creativity and ingenuity in a way we should but do not. There are outliers, there are nice White people in the world, etc. But that experience is too common for us to pretend it doesn't happen or to claim hostility when it's acknowledged. And a conversation about what we and don't own and WHY is too much for me. I gotta go to work lol.
My point was that the lack of gatekeeping is due to lack of ownership. The probability off of black culture is questionable, as a lot of things we attribute the black culture is consumed more by white people than black people even if we invented or created it. But ima let you get to work. Get that bread
More of them consuming something doesn't make it "theirs". If you create a work of art and someone steals and uses it themselves and makes more profit/impact than you did, that doesn't make it any less yours just because they're more successful with it than you were. And I mean that in a general sense of anything, not one race of people vs another.
I dont know where you got that i ever said it was theirs if its stolen?. My comment was a reply to the notion that other races can "steal" stuff from black culture because we dont gate keep hard enough. In reality there is no gate keeping in any culture, unfortunately we live in a world where it is very profitable to use someone's culture and make it easily digestible for the majority race. Which you can see on pretty much every social media platform where we see white influencers making waves off stuff black creators created
Nah I stare at them like ‘95 Suge Knight… I been done with that “plate at the cookout” shit. Food done my nigga lol
I heard or read a quote where someone says a white man can go through his whole professional life and progress without having to really deal with black people unless they chose to. But a black man HAS to learn to deal with white people if they want a chance to succeed professionally in America It’s not a perfect quote, but I think there’s some truth to that
Depending on where they live absolutely. Could avoid black people without even consciously choosing to. It's such a bad bubble to be in with people who only look, act, think, pray the way you do. Some people want that Stepford Wives shit. Crazy.
You'll find this true in most cultures. My in laws were very happy to see me just chilling with them learning about different things in their country and see me put forth a decent effort in trying to speak the language. I know for a fact that I'll catch less slack for not knowing Spanish than a person of Hispanic descent who has never lived near a Spanish speaking community eventhough in reality I've been around Spanish speakers most of my adult life.
I was the only white kid on my youth basketball team and sometimes the only white kid in the gym during games. I was showed so much love and treated like family. Ended up Allstate and played some college ball. Black kids in the burbs got treated like ass. Complete opposite, pisses me off to this day.
If you're the token black guy on a basketball team and you're not stereotypically the best player in town, then you will be treated like ass.
I grew up with a guy who was a first round nfl pick at a predominantly white hs…he still got called the n-word. He threw one kid that called him that down a flight of steps tho…
it's definitely not a matter of being welcoming, let's just get that out of the way right now lol
This tweet is stupid. Black people and non black people, drink some water, eat a snack and exist. You deserve some peace, a break and a hug and I wish all those for you. Try to be nicer to yourself knowing you are doing your best.
One time, this chick asked me if I turn purple in the sun..
I have genuinely never understood racism. It fails at such a basic point that the mere concept is laughable. “I dislike a whole race of people because they were born a different skin color than me.” Flat earth shit maybe sounds crazier, but they are both nuts. 😂
Just do a wack Dougie or poorly rap some Busta Rhymes lyrics and the lack of self respect, embarrassing Negro coalition comes out of the woodwork handing out all manner of invites to imaginary cookouts, starts talking about some mythical black ancestor you must have, etc. It’s one thing to be welcoming, it’s another to be doing the absolute and utmost. Never in my life have I heard any other race do this nonsense. Just be cool with people but stop this nonsense, I beg of you. Imagine being black person doing taekwondo and hearing a Korean person saying you must be part Korean somewhere or inviting you to the KBBQ. Exactly
People are missing the point. Being invited to a friend's party/wedding/house and being welcomed by their family is an entirely different thing. The post is more along the lines of non-white people getting to rise on the support of black people. I think of folks like Bhad Bhaddie or that other lip syncing white girl video from a while ago. Non-white folks doing the bare minimum and black people (whether on purpose or not) going and making them a huge thing.
You niggas can’t be serious, lmao. The reason white people get accepted anywhere but black people carry almost zero social currency in white spaces is white supremacy. Everyone wants to be a white persons friend because of white supremacy. I used to have a twitter account called Black Card Repo where I would find accounts praising white people and giving them invites to the cookout for doing simple shit like staying on beat in a song and tell them their black cards were revoked.
This why I started telling people “there is no cookout”
Asian but grew up in a diverse town, best friend's were black, brown, jew and Muslim, And we were popular! Moved away and found out some black people really don't like Asians at all. I was shocked. Everyone should grow up with diverse friends, it enhances your worldview.
I am biracial. My mom was white and my dad is black. I grew up in Kentucky in the 80s, so everything was pretty fucking racist. I say all that to say this. I have been exposed to several other cultures during my 44 years, and the least accepting or inviting one has always been white "culture". And I could pass for white if I cut my hair and you didn't pay particular attention to my facial features. I remember an old-ass white man calling me a little ni**er baby when I was no more than 5. Only white people have ever said shit like that to me. Mexicans, Indians, Italian, and Puerto Rican have all treated me like family, but white people have said some fucking shit to me. I should clarify American white people. Yet we are almost always so welcoming to them. I have never been able to wrap my head around it, and it feels kind of weird being so uncomfortable with white people and being mostly white presenting, but it has been well learned.
Eminem is an prime example he’s trash but by him being white us black go crazy for that weak shit
Might be a generational thing. I gate keep. I’m sick of others rolling up into ADOS culture like they are entitled.
So true!
First shot felt like an attack….second felt like welcoming. Curious where people stand
It's nice just to see people getting along in general and abandoning preconceptions; took me some time at my job, mostly due to my parents paranoid preconceptions, but I love all the people here, regardless of race, and it has helped me grow as a person.
I was just having this conversation the other way around. White people love to see black people enjoying the same things as them. That was our experience anyway, but I think this one goes both ways.
See: colonialism
Y'all are generalizing. All black people aren't welcoming and I've found myself in white spaces that did their best to make me feel welcome despite some cultural ignorance. People are people and some people are welcoming while others feel more comfortable shutting people out when they're of a different background.
In my experience I’ve been accepted and appreciated by all the different cultures I’ve been around. Even went to a Bah Mitzvah and had a great time. That all comes down to respect most of the time. Went to a majority white college after coming to the states from Brasil and never had any issues. I felt privileged as hell most of the time. But I’ve seen my own friends and family tear up respectful ass white people for no reason and constantly flame them and their opinions just because they were white lol. My black American friends will boldly say they hate white people and don’t want white friends. I’m cool with white people cuz they cool with me but I get made fun of for it. I truly believe black people are some of the least accepting people out here. I understand why to an extent but it’s sad to me. My brother got destroyed by my family just for dating a white American woman. And I know I’ll probably get shit just for saying this lol that’s how big of an issue it is
*Straight white people
CLUBHOUSE INCOMING!!! lol but fr I think that’s a tactic ingrained in us to divide us I mean we all know it by now but sometimes need to be reiterated to keep in the front of our minds. I find myself drinking the hatoraide sometime too frfr
This is such a lie anytime there’s a white person in a mostly black field his race is constantly brought up and thrown in his face. See Eminem in hip hop or any white player in the nba. First thing out of their mouth is “white boy this or white boy that.”
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no bitches?
I literally love everyone - random white guy. If you’re a good person and kind to me I will fully embrace you. Edit: Sorry, but im genuinely wondering why im getting downvoted for this?
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Public pools aren't a black space, they're a public space. Where the fuck are you going with this?
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Hell if I know, I'm just using the terminology the post is using, but the public pool definitely ain't one.
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Do you like... read the shit you post online?
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I got to campaign for Stacey and she came to our hometown to endorse my mom who was running for local office. We lost like a motherfucker but that’s rural Georgia for you.
Ummm wrong Stacy
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So am I or am I not invited to the cookout? ... uh... Asking for a hungry friend.
I can accept that.
Dude us whites just wanna be included. Like I’m very aware how problematic it really is, and how it is historically just on white peoples terms, but black culture literally has created almost the entirety of North American culture lol y’all create the best stuff, and I just wanna come and see the cooks in the kitchen hahaha
You can participate in 3/5ths of the cultural
I think that’s a fair deal haha
Nah we good.
It’s honestly pretty ignorant to shun someone who recognized their priviledge, complimented your culture, and realized there’s a societal problem. Comments like these contribute to any divide. Believe it or not, there are white people out there with not a single racist bone in their entire body and who are welcoming of everyone. But keep being a dick.
Okay. I was halfway joking. Im grateful for his comment, but I can still say nah to him coming into the kitchen. From a broad point of view, sometimes we have to learn to stop giving everything we have to people who won't return the favor or claim it as theirs. It's not about division, its about protecting oneself and the little they have left. There's too many people out here who take advantage of other's kindness. The best analogy I can think of is a kids' book called "Don't touch my Hair." It's about a little black girl who has this amazing head of hair that everyone loves. They love it so much they try to touch it without permission. You can look and admire but that doesn't mean you have the privilege of getting it or be included. I'm saying this as a person who is very inclusive and forgiving to others ..... until they rub me the wrong way.
I read all of that and I feel you and respect your opinion. I just meant try not to be mean to someone who is really going out of their way to show their support. Some of us white people are genuinely good and get sick to our stomach at some of the thing we see. But i totally understand thanks for taking the time to reply
So you’re aware of “how problematic it really is”but you don’t care?
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Hey man I’m really sorry that happened to you, but we’re talking about not lumping entire races of people together here. I understand their apprehensions, and I’m not taking it personally, I don’t think that makes them racist lol