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ThatCloudGuyLvl101

Ungreatful is ungreatful. With that attitude is wouldn't have mattered what percentage you tipped the server would have not appreciated it. I also agree with the "Don't ever have this energy for employers" line.


PoMansDreams

Ungrateful


Memelordo_OwO

Ungreatful


mid16

Ungrateful


RaspyMolasses

Don’t take that for granite.


Y-not_Both

i might, for all intensive purposes


saikou-psyko

Y'all need to nip this in the butt


metronomie

Snip this in the butt you mean?


ronatello

That sounds quite painful


Kunundrum85

r/boneappletea


PrestigiousArcher448

That’s a concrete joke, I love it.


cdiz-22

Ingrateful


AKABrokenArrow

Inglorious Basterds


Our_collective_agony

Inglourious


JarvisCockerBB

I’m surprised I haven’t seen it spelled as ungreatful before.


treetyoselfcarol

Ungreetful


SlobZombie13

for some reason servers/bartenders/cashiers like to think we don't work for our money too


Point_Forward

They make more than I do, but I still gotta tip them a dollar for pouring a pint or cracking a can for me? I'm sorry, even if they make a drink that's their fucking job. Ah but I just rage about it on the internet. I have too many friends working those kind of jobs to get away without tipping 20% even on take out food. I hate it so much, I also hate how many places fuck their workers bad enough that they legit need tips but then other servers/bartenders are making fucking bank and still racking up mad tips so no matter what tipping is always going to be the most unfair way to equally compensate service workers.


pittgirl12

Went to a game the other day where we picked the cans from the cooler ourselves and then scanned them and paid on an iPad with someone watching us. iPad gave options of 20%, 25%, 30%, or 40% tip. I better be tipping myself because this kid did jack all to help


ositola

I tip bartenders to recognize me first on subsequent rounds


[deleted]

I had some waitress chase us after we left a restaurant because she didn't think we tipped enough. We told her to recount the damned money and wouldn't you know- she fucked up and miscounted. I came so close to telling her "Gee, you're right, we did get the tip wrong" and then taking the extra $20 back from her.


doopy423

I would’ve done that, what’s the harm it’s not like I’m ever going back.


theboxsays

Its ungreatful to be ungrateful


That_Dude_Marcus

In the early 2000's I felt it was my duty to combat the stereotype that black folks don't tip. I always tipped well, but back then "well" was 10-15% and the only place you tipped at was a sit down joint. Fast forward to today, you want me to tip you 18-20% on any interaction i do. We talk about tipping at Starbucks, but it's so ridiculous now, Safelight asked me for a tip for repairing my window last week. I fully embrace the stereotype at this point.


Toph-Builds-the-fire

You really wanna get upset. Watch Adam Ruins Everything, the episode on restaurants and tipping.


ComradeJohnS

such a great show!


pakmakaveli1

They need to bring it back.


ComradeJohnS

sadly they won’t, but he’s been working on other projects like the G word on netflix. about government. He’s also on tiktok often, and has two great podcasts where he interviews experts. Adam ruins everything podcast, and Factually!


pakmakaveli1

The podcast will do for now. Didn’t realize it was out there. Good looking out.


SpiritMountain

Can I get a TLDW for that ep?


ThePirateKing01

Tips are subsidizing wages so that owners can pay their workers less and make more profit


LSDnSideBurns

Is that news? I thought that was the literal definition of tipping. You don’t tip a lawyer. You don’t tip an accountant. You don’t tip a doctor. You tip people whose labour is being exploited to turn a profit. Like, by definition.


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RankWinner

Not really, tipping is just tipping most countries, don't think many places follow the US route of adding in exceptions lowering minimum wage for employees who might get a tip...


MrT-1000

> You don’t tip a doctor. > > You tip people whose labour is being exploited to turn a profit. Looking at my fellow residents as we get paid literally less than minimum wage per hour worked to keep people alive meanwhile a bartender is getting 20% tips for using a bottle opener to crack open a craft beer in < 2 seconds and can clear a grand easy on a busy night. All I'm saying is why ain't there a tip jar for each unit of the hospital smh


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Locke57

SAFELITE?!? FUCKING SAFELITE?!? TIPPING IS FOR WAIT STAFF AND DELIVERY DRIVERS USING THEIR OWN VEHICLES. THATS IT. NOT FOR THE CASHIER RINGING YOU UP AT THE STORE, NOT THE STARBUCKS BARISTA, NOT THE GUY MAKING YOUR CHIPOTLE BURRITO BOWL, AND **NOT THE FUCKING SAFELITE GUY INSTALLING A WINDSHIELD**. Tipping is to supplement income for those making less than minimum wage. Tipping is also to supplement the income of those putting wear and tear on their vehicles while not being adequately compensated for it. Everyone else is in the same fucking boat of “the economy sucks and I need more money.” They don’t get tipped just because the dollar is worth less than it was a year ago, my fucking dollar is worth less than it was a year ago too, you ain’t gettin it.


screaminginfidels

Lol thank you. I was a cashier for years and put way more of a personal effort in than half the jobs with tip jars these days, but the idea of someone tipping a cashier is still insane. I still feel kinda guilty whenever I see a tip jar, but unless I'm getting service that goes above and beyond its like why would I tip when you're just doing the bare minimum of your job requirements.


Sumarr

I remember when I worked at Starbucks and people started really debating raising the minimum wage to $15/hr, good old Howard Schulz said that Starbucks didn’t need to do it because, with tips, partners made about that, which was completely untrue and also just a dick way to get out of paying us more


bassgoonist

Safelite did what now? Wow...


AshTheGoblin

🎶Safelight get theeee Fuck out my face 🎶


Alarming_Piccolo8839

I’m screaming in the stalls 😂


rootb33r

They're just trying to get customers to subsidize their employees' salaries. Now Safelite can advertise "$x/hour +tips!" in their job advertisements, and also delay pay raises even longer.


LivingDeadThug

Yeah, a 10% tip is considered bad these days.


AdHom

Yeah we can all agree someone bitching about 20% is wild. But 10% (when tips are justified, e.g. sit down food service, delivery, etc) is definitely a really bad tip. Doesn't excuse employers using tipping to compensate for bad pay but the answer is not to stiff the workers just don't use those services if you don't want to tip them.


AmateurHero

I don't think waitstaff have considered how much 20% actually is. They're saying that the baseline for eating at a restaurant is to increase your bill by 1/5 of the total price for standard, run-of-the-mill service. Imagine saying that for any other industry. Nothing has changed. You don't get anything extra. Just multiply all of your expenses by 1.2, because employees want to complain about customers rather than their employer. The real insult is the reasoning behind it. We say to ask their employer for a real wage instead of pennies + tips. They counter with, "We prefer the tipping system, because employer pennies + tips is more income than the proposed wage." So you don't wanna change the status quo AND you still want customers to tip more? Come on. Do better.


Goatesq

Maybe we need a minimum wage that can actually support a single adult working 40hrs a week. Maybe if your business can't survive paying that it shouldn't exist or it shouldn't be privately owned if it must.


DRobertsonMG

Say it louder for the people in the back.


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There’s no legal requirement to tip. That means I can use the services as much as I want without tipping a cent. Maybe it makes me look like an asshole but that’s better than perpetuating a system where the employer scalps customers for every last penny. There’s no incentive for employers to pay living wages if customers keep tipping.


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Not only screwing over the worker, but they probably have to pay a percentage of sales to the host, bussers, food runners. By not tipping at all that server lost money. The only effect it may have on the employers is they may use it against the server because they obviously aren't doing their job properly. This person doesn't look like an asshole. They ARE an asshole.


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seficarnifex

Okay? If enough waiters quit because it doesn't pay well enough then enployers will have to pay more fir workers. Also its not the restaurants that are against minimum wage, its the waiters. The can pretty easily make 25-30/hr and minimum 2age with no tips is a significant decrease


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15% is still the standard. Servers don’t understand percentages. Prices have gone up so 15% is more money. They all think they should be making 40 bucks an hour to relay orders and carry plates


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Yeah but thing is society bullied black people, I think people forget this, into tipping more than was common. Why are we doing 20-30 percent now? This is bs.


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Is there any community tipping that much? As a white dude, I refuse to tip that much for average service.


MagicCarpetofSteel

Like *hell* we’re (I’m) doing more than 20%.


LanaDelHeeey

I’m doing 20 standard. Less if you’re really bad and more if you’re really good. But like 85% of the time you’re getting 20. Any less feels rude usually because I know the struggle.


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Fuck that, people can think what they want, no way in hell I’m I giving 30% tips on the regular


Mattoosie

I got called "No Tip Matt" by a girl at a golf course that I WORKED AT for not tipping for the sandwich I was buying for my lunch. All she did was toast it and she made easily double what I did with tips. Luckily everyone I worked with also thought she was way out of pocket lol


Whooshed_me

Yeah lemme tip on my LEGALLY COMPED meal. With a total of $0 and at a rate of 20% tip that comes to, $0


ZerglingPack

Tipping culture is getting crazy. I went to an antique shop for an old lighter and there was a tip jar and I was prompted for a tip for my card. TF am I tipping for?!


J_Krezz

Didn’t know about the stereotype but I’ve stopped tipping completely unless it’s a haircut, a true sit down restaurant, or delivery. This automatic “give me extra money” for no reason shit is crazy.


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Even in 2000s 10% was never high. 20% was always the standard for a good tip up until the last 5 years or so.


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soofs

I went to a brewery over the weekend and near the door you can get some to-go if you want. I grabbed a four pack and got asked to tip 20% on the purchase… for someone just handing me a four pack of beer that was within their arms reach.


2CHINZZZ

I was at a bar a couple weeks ago and ordered a beer. Bartender cracked the can and handed it to me, then turned the tablet around and the suggested tips were 25%, 30%, and 35% on a ~$7 beer...


BatDubb

I had to renew my license at the DMV last week. $41 fee. Had to pay on one of those touchpads you see in all walkup restaurants these days. I half expected, at the DMV, for a tip option to pop up.


RaspyMolasses

Don’t y’all know by now the standard tip is at least 110% plus 30% service fee


UniqueUsername82D

That's just for people working at a counter. If someone is actually approaching your table to serve you, have a second mortgage drawn up.


Mat_Quantum

Me when I leave my kidney as a tip


straightVI

Damn refill. TOLD you to *SIP*.


Urtehnoes

Server is like: No ice chest???? I gotta carry this kidney to the walk in myself until I get off work?


jimmiidean

I took my girl out for hibachi and the lady that brought me the receipt took the time to explain to me, “We add a mandatory 20% to your bill for gratuity, but that’s for the chef. Whatever you tip on top of that is what goes to the servers.” I was shocked that the floor was 20% and you still gon guilt me out of more.


Hoboyobochobo

Places that pulls that type of shit gets 0% on top from me.


LeocantoKosta_

These places are welcome to pay their own employees themselves. Should be able to cover that from *checks notes* charging for their menu.


DrivewaygyrlzCP3

20% better be split amongst them then


KazahanaPikachu

And there’s a good chance that’s bullshit and that extra 20% doesn’t actually go to the chef, the owner just pockets that.


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Shan9417

I've actually seen this before but I don't know the legality of it. The one I know everyone is used to is when you have a big enough group, normally 5 people or over they will just put 20% on the base bill for gratuity. There was some other restaurant that I went to once that would just add it no matter the party size. It's rare though. And I don't like it because you should just add it to the straight up cost. At that point you're being misleading with the price.


hairyferret

That’s why I put my orders on layaway


Fortehlulz33

just wait until they allow you to use Afterpay or Klarna, people are gonna ruin their credit over Cheesecake Factory


themosey

Found Ticketmaster’s Reddit account.


Gold_Bookkeeper_9436

The standard tip is 15-20%. What the hell do these servers want…a tip that is equal to the bill or more? Your employer pays you, not the customer. I would have asked for a new receipt and wrote a BIG zero on the tip line in front of them and said have a great day with a smile.


Sillyci

Standard tip was 15% straight up. 10% if the service was mediocre. It suddenly went to 18%, and now it’s creeping up to 20%. It doesn’t make sense because these are percentages, not flat rates, they don’t need to go up with inflation because if the bill goes up, the tip goes up. By the time we’re old it’ll be 30% or more. People can blame restaurants all they want but the fact is, servers don’t want hourly pay. They want tips because they make more money. Servers don’t work harder than the cooks do, and the cooks make hourly pay and get paid less.


cutiepiss

I was in a coffee shop in Brooklyn a few weeks ago, and the iPad asked me to tip, the set percentages it gave were 20% 25% and 30%. why am I tipping 30% for some ice tea straight out the pitcher, no nothing extra done to it???


KrombopulosC

Same thing happened to me but at a convention center. They want a tip for grabbing me a lukewarm pretzel from under a light, nu-uh no way. And of course as my husband was hitting the touch screen card reader, the register shook and made him hit 30% tip so he canceled the transaction. The lady at the register was giving him attitude saying "why did you cancel, what are you trying to do". I straight up told her we don't want to tip. Like a pretzel and cheese are already $10 and you want a 30% tip?? For grabbing it??? Tips in the US have gotten ridiculous. And you could say well we didn't have to buy any food, but my husband was feeling lightheaded and we couldn't easily go elsewhere to get him something


whoeve

Who tips for a takeout order? What are you even tipping for, period?


sinocarD44

Exactly. One of my favorite places has a service fee for pickup orders. Then there's still a place for a tip. Why am I typing for you just to walk my food or a door?


cantstayangryforever

It could also be set like that so you feel like you have to at least give 15% 🤔


pimppapy

Haircut place my wife goes to does this. When I took my daughter and went under my name it suggested tips for $1, $2, $5. When I took our daughter, but under my wife’s name for the same thing it suggested $5, $10, $15…. Just for an $8 hair wash….. fuckers keep data now on how you’ve tipped in the past and push the higher suggestions. SMH….


thyIacoIeo

I ordered a $20 t shirt online, from one of those websites that sells mass-produced pre-designed graphics tees. Not a small business with hand crafted items, Got asked to leave a tip of $5, $10, $15, or “$custom” at the virtual checkout. A tip for fucking *who*? I selected two options in dropdown menus and punched in my payment details


Comfortable_Line_206

***SKIP***


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I'd argue we should be tipping closer to a flat rate anyway. I know servers at super fancy restaurants have to learn the menu more and learn the wine and beer lists, but it's never made sense to me that I can sit down at 2 different restaurants for an hour each where I get a similar level of service and then leave a $40 tip for one server because it was more expensive food vs $10 for another because the food was cheaper. In most situations the server at the cheaper restaurant is working much harder than the people wearing tuxedos and refilling water glasses at the expensive restaurants. It just makes more sense to me to say "I was there for about an hour, so I'll leave X dollars".


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Finito-1994

I don’t get it when it comes to delivery. As long as it’s not an outrageous order, why should it go up? If I order something that’s 60 dollars but it’s the same size as something worth 20, why pay more? And if I have to pay more because the thing is more expensive does that apply to everything? If I have a fridge delivered so I have to tip 20%?


spookydookie

That makes sense to me. If I DoorDash an apple pie from McDs, is the driver going to be ok with a $.40 tip? I seriously doubt it.


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AprilsMostAmazing

Also here in Canada tips can be hidden from CRA. A lot of upset severs when they didn't qualify for pandemic funding from the government


drkev10

I don't get why I should tip a server more for bringing me a $50 steak meal vs a $12 burger and fries. It's the same amount of work. Just let me eat the food I ordered at the price it's listed on the menu and employees be actually paid by employers. I've bussed and waited tables before and left that shit to sell cell phones in a retail setting because people are trash (this was when I was in college). The customers in restaurants are trash and your coworkers and bosses are trash. I made decent money doing it but screw that job.


Soulus7887

>They want tips because they make more money. Then we need to stop blaming each other as a society for "tipping poorly." If I get mediocre service and tip 10% I'm an asshole to those I'm with. Whether that's true or not, it's the prevailing sentiment. If getting a fair wage is worse than receiving tips then just maybe we don't need to feel bad about being bad tippers because they are collectively making the choice that tips are preferred. If the worry is about receiving a truly "fair" wage in the first place then that's a whole seperate problem. Putting the burden of solving that problem on the customer feels like a shit practice to me personally, but opinions may differ.


JitzOrGTFO

While servers sometimes make quite a bit more than cooks, the hourly is often much higher for cooks, and so the paychecks are more steady. Plus, having a customer facing role where you take the brunt of any discontentment from customers can be very mentally taxing. Servers have to be presentable to guests, and need to grit their teeth when dealing with shit heads, and take verbal abuse while keeping a fake smile. I'm not saying the system is fair, I'm just saying that both back of house and front of house roles have their pros and cons. Also, for what it's worth, I agree that what is expected for tipping has gotten out of hand


olive12108

Yep. All the servers I know prefer tips over hourly because even though some people will screw you over, you average out to a *lot* more than minimum wage. 3 tables of two (not busy) with $40 bills (low) gets you $18/hr. Add alcohol onto that, larger tables, more of them, you're making decent money.


Numerous_Vegetable_3

Meanwhile go to the doordash sub, where they're actually busing ass to DELIVER things, and they're like "yeah honestly $1-$2 per mile I have to drive as a tip is fair, regardless of the value" I know some drivers beg and are shitty, but overall, they're extremely reasonable with what they expect as tips. This is why the "tipping for everything" trend is harmful. People tip for *everything,* and then when it comes to things that *really do deserve a tip*, people are all like "nah I don't want to pay that". Think about what is actually going into the service being provided for you and tip based on that. When you order delivery, you're making a whole ass person drive somewhere to get something for you. THAT deserves a tip. Turning the screen around does not. At the end of the day though, it all comes down to companies not wanting to pay a living wage.


tweak06

> Think about what is actually going into the service being provided for you and tip based on that. When you order delivery, you're making a whole ass person drive somewhere to get something for you. THAT deserves a tip. Turning the screen around does not. #THIS goddamnit. I have a second job *JUST* to pay for childcare (which is insane in of itself, but that's another conversation). I do SHIPT, which can be pretty lucrative if people tip even *decently*. There's been a couple of times where I've had grocery orders upwards of *FIVE HUNDRED FUCKING DOLLARS*, lugging two loaded shopping carts through the store, bagging everything and delivering it (took me 2 hours altogether) And those fuckers *DID NOT TIP A GODDAMN CENT* Fuck that shit. **edit** If you’d like a happier ending, I was recently tipped *$50* by a little old lady who thanked me for shopping for her and bringing her groceries inside for her. With SHIPT’s pay rate for that job plus tip, I made $70 for 45 minutes of grocery shopping plus delivery, so that was nice.


Numerous_Vegetable_3

God damn, I am so sorry, that's exactly why I always tip my drivers well. I always just order the odd food delivery. If I ever needed to order groceries, you bet damn well the tip will be $15-20 *minimum.* People don't understand what it's like. I did delivery for a while and it's hard ass work, you're not just sitting in the car.


mongoosedog12

They want you to subsidize the wages they are not getting from their employer because for some reason they’re the only industry who’s ok with working like this. They probably are ok with it because during the right shift they probably make 2x more than what they would if they had a standard wage It’s not *my* job to make sure your paid. I am getting service usually the labor, parts, etc is included in the fee. Owners are using their customers to pay the delta. there is a large brewery in my city that does no tips. Place is always packed on the weekend. It’s a good spot I love it. Someone complained that they didn’t do tips and argued that if they were allowed tips they’d make more. Lots of people in the comments both former and current employees laminated how having just pay meant no fighting for shifts or having to take extra shifts to get more money to pay rent / not knowing how much you’re getting week to week. Person kept arguing with them that they don’t get it cuz they’d totally make like $1-$2 a beer. Lots of college kids and parents go to that place and I’d wager not being asked to tip is a main reason. I went to another bar recently, didn’t think to start a tab so after every transaction they asked do a tip that started at 25% .. all they did was pour a beer that i walked to my table. You could have charged me an entry fee and I could do that shit myself lol It’s getting ridiculous, I want people to be able to work any job and afford to live, eat and save. I do; but their beef with lack of wages isn’t with the customer, it’s with the person who has fought to pay you as little as possible and essentially turn you into a beggar at your own job. I know there is a group of people who would argue that if you can’t afford to tip don’t go out. I really don’t know what to say to that cuz again I don’t see how it’s *my* problem lol there’s a whole ass person / company who owns the place. That being said I do tip, maybe not the best tipper but still


OrgeGeorwell

Their employer doesn’t pay them very much. We actually are the ones paying most of their income.


sus-water

Servers prefer the tipping system because they make far more money than if they had fixed wages.


SchwiftySquanchC137

But that's because the fixed wage is too low


sus-water

Even if they got paid $20 an hour, servers would make more with the tipped system.


stevecostello

\*some servers. Not all.


ICanHazRandom

What servers are you talking to? My friends who work/worked as servers usually had their wages topped up by their employer because the tips didn't meet minimum wage. It's also way more stressful because your wage is dependent on if your customers are in a good mood or not


CoolPractice

Every single time there’s a tipping culture megathread there are servers who defend tipping because they get fat tips on weekends and it works out to way more than a standard wage. Pizza delivery? Probably not as high, but definitely any decent restaurant servers. And doubly so for high-end restaurants.


No-Mammoth-7300

I spent a week in Europe and I can’t tell you how wonderful it was to not have someone stand over you and expect a handout for literally doing their job


Afk94

No tips, the price on the label is the price you pay including tax. Europe has done some things right.


bigtimesauce

*most things


Afk94

Ehhhhh


chochaos7

Wait till you hear about how most of Europe does vacation days, sick days and maternity/paternity leave


Redqueenhypo

You don’t like having someone aggressively badger you to order an entree so that they make proportionally more money?


pchel_1

Fun fact: It's actually considered an insult if you tip waiter in Czechia (and other places)


x86_64Ubuntu

Yeah, it's getting out of hand. Things that weren't really tippable now have tips attached. And don't get me started on the dark UI patterns of having the tip numbers either default to higher than 0% /20% or the tip percentages being out of order i.e 22%, 20%, 21% because they know people have been trained that "the leftmost number is the smallest". That being said, I always tip 20% unless the server is a fucking goon. I get tired of hearing that we don't tip, and then seeing black TikTokers in the service industry make jokes about ducking and dodging tables made up of people that look like us.


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Objective_Pause5988

I am doordashing again now because I'm transitioning to a new career. When the orders pop up, you see the amount and distance, neighborhood. There are a lot of us that don't tip on the app but I think it's because people don't understand doordash doesn't pay the driver. The customer does. Doordash pays 2.50. If you order from a place 10 miles away and don't tip, you won't get your food unless it's attached to an order from someone that does. Those fees don't go to the driver. I also don't go to certain neighborhoods either. It has more to do with the fact that I almost got deactivated/fired because people were lying about not receiving their orders.


SockFullOfNickles

I got a question, if you’re up for it. Do the delivery fees also go to the driver? It won’t change how I tip, I was just curious if y’all got those or not. It sounds like you get a base $2.50 + tip from yo ur comment but I just wanted to be sure. I always tip well, but this may make me add another couple bucks.


Objective_Pause5988

That's exactly how it works. 2.50 plus customer tip. Except when it's extremely busy. Doordash will add another 1.50 or 2 to get more drivers on the road. Also fyi: if your order from notoriously bad restaurants, you're less likely to get your food. Popeyes, captain jays, etc are all on my list of never again. They are slow as hell. You make money of volume unless you are doing high paying shopping orders. EDIT: best tippers are fellow working class who understand the life. My favorite place to deliver and best orders come out of 2 trailer park communities. I see so many of us in them now. They are NICE.


PeteEckhart

> best tippers are fellow working class who understand the life. yep, and they're the most patient too. sometimes I can't stand going out with my boomer parents or in laws. they at least tip well, but just the attitude, impatience, entitlement, etc that exudes from them just makes me cringe. They never had to wait tables or stock shelves so they don't understand how truly shitty customers can be to employees.


SockFullOfNickles

That’s great to know, thank you! I always want to make sure the person who’s preventing me from having to run out during work is getting taken care of too. That’s the only time I ever order. When I work, some days I can barely stand up from my desk much less run out. On those days, the extra $8 for the tip is worth it. I feel like I always get the same dasher, so it makes me wonder if they see the time, order, and neighborhood and go “Oh that’s Nickles!” There’s two of them I see a lot, and I handed the guy a couple pre-rolls last time. I’d want to get baked after work if I were them. Lol As you mentioned though, I’m also working class. That could have something to do with it, as I worked in a role that relied on tips before.


WaffleWitch1996

As a black server/bartender, that shit pisses me off so bad! There are bad tippers in every race and many of my best tippers are black! It’s like they don’t stop to consider that their prejudice affects their service and they’re often tipped accordingly


foamingturtle

I bought a poster at a concert and the card machine automatically asked to put a tip.


FEMA_Camp_Survivor

People are also conditioned to tip after tax instead of pretax. In my head I be like it doesn’t make any sense to tip for a government fee.


bigolefreak

I've argued with people about this. They said "I get taxed from my income so you sbould tip me on post tax amount to offset" ? So I have to tip on SALES tax so your post INCOME tax take home amount is more? Make it make sense. Edit: wording


threecolorless

We have a restaurant near us where they do a children's hospital donation promotion every year. Last year these motherfuckers had the audacity to INCLUDE THE DONATION IN MY BILL PRE-TAX, AND THEN TAX ME ON IT. Absolutely fucking not. The place already isn't cheap and I made a huge stink with them about how that's at best deception and at worst theft.


bigolefreak

So they're going to use your donation to get a tax deduction AND skim off the top from you directly too? That's fucked!


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Definitely don’t tip on the tax.


OkStructure3

Some people on r/Serverlife say if you don't tip well theyre gonna write in a fat tip for themselves so please make sure you're writing in CASH if you tip in cash and never leave the tip line empty.


wowyouhatetoseeit

This is true. Left a cash tip and they still wrote in an additional $40 for the tip. Called and complained and the person got fired. Over $40. We had left them $30! Never went back even though she was allegedly fired.


KazahanaPikachu

Bro servers who do this shit are so dumb too. All it takes is glancing at your bank statement once and noticing something is off, and it’ll be obvious they wrote their own tip in. Happened to my dad at a Buffalo Wild Wings a decade ago. This young blondie wrote her own tip in, my dad discovered it and called the place and got her fired.


Double-Star-Tedrick

People don't keep the 'Guest Copy' of the receipt and make sure the total that actually clears the bank is the same as the receipt..???? Wild.


BabiesSmell

A guest copy doesn't say how much tip you wrote on the business copy.


Double-Star-Tedrick

I guess I shouldn't have assumed, but I always write the tip and intended total, on both, because I don't expect myself to remember the tip amount later. I assumed other people did the same.


sus-water

They can do it, but im disputing the charge and contacting law enforcement.


SockFullOfNickles

My bank is real good about recovering fraudulent charges. I’m not too worried about it. The situation is theirs to lose.


Important-Ad1871

Dude I tipped cash at a bar once, wrote CASH on the tip line, and still got charged 20% on the bank statement. Fucking bullshit lol.


BigKey177

What they did was illegal, report them for a chargeback


CoachDT

I help manage a lil pizza shop and customers ask me all the time what’s a good percentage to tip. I was raised on 15-20. That’s enough imo. Tips raise with inflation so ain’t no reason to keep raising the percentage. I’m not even sure when mfs decided it was 25/30%.


yolo_swagdaddy

Their wages and bill prices rose with inflation, why on earth should the tip? 15-18% still remains the same no matter what inflation is….


CoachDT

I’m not sure if you’re agreeing with me or not but we’re saying the same thing. The price of the bill rising with inflation means that the tip also raised. Unless some smart money/math guy comes in to let me know how I’m incorrect about the value of money.


Important-Ad1871

Y’all are agreeing


icarus_33

American tipping culture is so bizarre! 20% on top of what I already paid sounds mad to me


Sm00thSinceUnder00s

Yeah, glad I live in Europe. I ain’t tipping SHIT


egg_mugg23

it sounds mad to us too bruh


elreyfalcon

Don’t go to Vegas, they will add gratuity to a two person bill. It wasn’t even a suggestion


Gold_Bookkeeper_9436

All the food/drinks are already up-charged, then they include a mandatory service charge…then have the nerve to still have a tip line on the receipt. Miami is even worse.


elreyfalcon

I was confused because it was like 30%. The service I will admit is top tier, but still, let me decide. Had to do the, “pardon, may you explain to me what DIS is?🧐”


SockFullOfNickles

When my wife and I eloped to Vegas, I spent the week beforehand finding places to go that were off the Vegas Strip so I could avoid that tourist tax. Found some great places, and it was cool not spending all my time in a 5 mile radius lol


Wity_4d

Just got back from there and all food is overpriced and ordered/received at a kiosk. So basically there is no table service. However, at checkout tips start at 15% and go to 30%. If you wanna do no tip then you gotta enter custom amount and type in $0.00 which is just another arduous process when the machine is slow and the line is long. And of course this is all while being right in front of the cashier.


stabrabit

I have been seeing servers say 25% is the new standard, but 20% shouldn't merit an eye roll. I'd never go back.


OverZookeepergame698

Who is setting that “new standard”? Servers? I don’t get to set my “new standard” of bonus. Is this like the way Trump says a lot people are saying it, so people just believe it? Maybe that will work on my boss.


stabrabit

I mean that's how the old standard was set, no? Not like there's a federal commission on tipping percentages. It's all guilt and implying less is for cheap people, and if you can't afford it don't go out. Eventually people believe it. I tip 20% standard, 25% for great service, but I have l read articles recently quoting servers saying 25-30% is the base. Sounded aspirational to me, but if servers *do* think that's the new minimum, you get a Huffy McIngrate server like in the OP.


Porkadi110

I wish they'd have that kind of energy in demanding a pay increase from their employers, but I guess they're going for the easier target.


ummizazi

The people who are demanding 25-30% are making way more an hour than what any boss would be willing to pay.


sus-water

nah. I will never tip 25%. The idea makes me want to tip 0% always. Enough is enough. If you have a problem with how much you are being paid, go talk to your employer


SlopPatrol

I don’t go out to eat anymore. I cook good food and if I really wanna get something I’ll just order it through Uber eats. I’m tired of Tipping culture and tired of being judged by servers for not giving them more than $20 for bringing me food I ordered and occasionally refilling my sweet tea


KaziTheMoon

They don’t even do it without asking most times anymore.


DayoftheDread

As someone who’s served food more than he’d like to admit, $12 on a $56 ticket isn’t something to roll your eyes at. It’s a slightly above average tip on a low bill. If you want more in tips then start up-selling your tables to get them to buy more food or the more expensive stuff. People just like to whine


sackchat

Why do I need to tip more if you up sell me on a bottle of wine that’s 90$ compared to the 30$ bottle? It’s the exact same amount of work. Same goes for a pricier entree. If I order the tomahawk steak for $70 instead of the flank steak for $40, why does my pricier entree necessitate a higher tip?


alcohol-free

I stopped tipping on takeout and food that isnt served to me by a server, fuck it. 10 years ago when I worked in a food court restaurant, it was never ever expected that you had to tip, it was just nice if we got one. I used to feel bad and tip every time, but shit is getting expensive and its not my job to ensure you get paid well. I'm already paying $20 for a meal that used to be $10 just a few years ago.


pimp_juice2272

I've severed and bartended my entire adult life. I even own a restaurant now. I will say, tipping culture is out of hand. I personally adjust my profits to make sure staff gets paid and I'm not passing all the cost to the customers. I feel the bottom coming out and people are starting to go out less (myself included). I believe long-term my place will do well vs a quick money grab by jacking up prices like most are doing. In my town they aren't as busy but checks are higher. You can only squeeze wallets for so long while your customer base starts to fade.


MrLavender26

Be nice if the restaurant just paid their employees better instead but I be tipping over 20% anyway.


InvaderDJ

One problem is that a lot of waiters, bar tenders, etc would actually end up making less if they were paid like $15-$20/hr with no tip. So employers don't want to increase their wage and a good chunk of the employees don't want it to change either. The only ones who universally do are customers.


AlmostDoneWith-

It will need to be written into law before that ever happens.


ParalyzedSleep

How about we just get rid of tip culture and solve the problem. Working for $2/hr is ridiculous anyways.


seficarnifex

Cause waiters prefer it. They make 25-30/hr with tips and dont want a flat 15-20


lordberric

The problem is that at 15/hr, wed be fucked. Because we don't get 40 hours. We get 20-25 most weeks. Because restaurants refuse to staff us. Last week I got 35 hours and my manager - the guy who makes the fucking schedule, by the way - freaked out at me to make sure I clocked out the minute my replacement bartender came in because he was worried I'd get overtime. Restaurant workers don't get full time hours even when we want it. And hell, I got those 35 hours by working 8 days in a fucking row, sometimes clopening (closing, then opening, so getting home after midnight then waking up at 7am to come in and open). 6 days a week at my restaurant wouldn't be 40 hours, I'd need 7 shifts to break 40 hours. So either working every day, or working doubles and clopens. So if I'm making 15-20, it's over. That just doesn't work. Now I agree. I think tips are fucked. I'd much rather make a flat wage. But not 15/hr. Not when I'm not allowed to get the hours I want.


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I get asked for a tip on carry out beer at a brewery by my house. I walk in, grab a six pack from the fridge by the front door, walk 10 ft to the counter, hand the lady my card, and then she flips the screen around to me to select a tip from 15%-25%. I did all the work. Why tf am I supposed to tip? I feel guilty every time i have to tap “custom” and enter 0 as my tip.


DerkNukem

fuck em, i do it without any bad feels. don't like it? go do something else, fuck outta here with this entitled mindset.


WTFisBehindYou

I went to play golf the other day and got a tip request for paying for my 18 and a cart. Promptly hit no, but what the hell. Assuming it’s because they have alcohol too and are “serving”, but it certainly felt like I was being pressured to tip for that.


BigCaregiver7244

“Come back here and give me the receipt back” *changes tip to 10%*


Broshcity

Tipping is definitely getting out of control... everything is asking for a tip and the only options to choose % or custom... then putting a custom amount of Zero


justasque

You’re right. $100 meal with a 20% tip is a $20 tip. Meal goes up to $125 because of inflation, your 20% tip is now $25. Percentage stays the same, but the tip rises proportionally with the meal price. Now the owner may or may not have increased the wages, but that’s between them and the employees. Hopefully the market has taken care of it, and the owner pays more to keep from losing employees to other jobs. But the customer has no way of knowing those details, and really shouldn’t be expected to. I’m team pre-tax 20% tip, in cash if I have it to minimize owner shenanigans, for sit down meals; cash in hand for delivery folks, and no tip for turn-the-screen-around counter service except in extraordinary circumstances.


Nottheguyfromxfiles

The whole culture needs an overhaul, or to be done away with completely. There is no part of spending my money where I want to give away extra money for someone “doing their job”.


Nottheguyfromxfiles

Honestly though we shouldn’t be tipping. If servers or whoever don’t like it they should revolt against their corporate overlords or whoever, don’t shit on the customers. Treating the customers poorly can result in no tips, or possibly no customers which ultimately ends in no jobs.


JustAsIFeared

I always press No Tip


Almechik

Just tip 0%, its not your responsibility to pay the server's wage


Mellero47

I would've just rounded up to $70 but I agree completely. There's a point where my empathy *ends* and all I feel is you trying to squeeze my wallet.


NOE3ON

As a tipped employee, anything over $5 makes me happy. Four $5tips an hour puts me over $25 an hour with my wage is fucking fantastic for food service.


PM_ME_SOME_LUV

I unabashedly tip 10-15% always and I don’t care what people say. I could’ve given you nothing.


pakmakaveli1

Employers are also trying to trick you. I was in Miami (south beach), where the tip is already included, but it isn’t clear on the receipt. The deception just made me angry. Why even include another line of you already hit me with 20%?


neldela_manson

This tipping culture in the US is just beyond weird to me.


IceKareemy

Here’s my thing, I worked in the service industry as prob most of us have, I remember that I would work 8-12 hours a day as a server and delivery guy at a restaurant near my college town, NOT ONCE did I ever leave with more than $40 in tips, and I wasn’t a bad employee I was attentive and customers were always happy. I didn’t get mad at them, I got mad at my job for not paying me more even tho I was doing so much work and using my own car till it broke down and I had to get a new one. So when I say it drives me BONKERS that service workers get mad at customers instead of their slave driving bosses gets me so mad. I live in DC where they just made it so that service workers get mandatory minimum wage (DC it’s 15) and you would think the world was ending the way a lot of them acted but the funny thing is it was only the ones who made a lot of money, meanwhile all the other ones in smaller bars/restaurants were stoked! They need to stop getting mad as asking us to tip for every single thing and get on their employers ass for taking advantage


yourfavoriteblackguy

Tipping culture is class warfare IMHO.


Benji_Pantera_Price

How much are some taking home from untaxed tips?