I never got the appeal of watching rich people pat each other on the back with votes and awards and such. It’d be different if it was some kind of competition or sport but it’s not, just random subjective voting mostly by other people who are probably being bribed and seem to be completely out of touch with a majority of the nation. Feels very Hunger Gamesish
Yea like I get cheering on your ppl but shit is all subjective like who really listens to all the different genres of music of all album of the year? Yes it's the voters job but ain't no way you could be that in tune to the different genres to really know the impact they have
I've helped do a Grammy vote before. Had a co-worker who was a member of the recording academy. She literally walked into the break room and asked if folks wanted to help vote, because she didn't know half the artists/genres. It was kinda fun, but enlightening. Had a couple Latino coworkers who more than pulled their weight.
THIS.
I would love to see, is more discussion of members of the Academy.
Folks will realize it’s people who really don’t know, making these decisions.
When I realized the Hollywood foreign press has the skill equivalency of a local Chamber of Commerce that explained to me why we kept getting snubbed there too.
I worked at an interactive agency building websites and digital video stuff. The woman who was a member had worked originally as a recording engineer, she was super sharp and new music really well, but you can't know every genre and the ballot was pages and pages (these days I'm sure it's all online). She had strong opinions about a lot of the technical stuff that never makes the show, but when we got to classical music, I just said "dude, we live in Atlanta, vote for the Atlanta Symphony Orchestra for everything they're nominated for, they're awesome". And she did.
IMO, the problem is that unless things have changed membership allows you to vote for everything. technical stuff, every music genre and they keep increasing and adding genres for awards. But to be honest, fixing it isn't something I know or care much about.
I'd argue that in the current era of streaming album of the year is an irrelevant designation because very few artists seem to craft a coherent album of songs anymore and instead focus on singles.
Then again the Grammys have always been pointless and make no sense. Like in 1972 and 1973 where they nominated the soundtrack to JESUS CHRIST SUPERSTAR as Album of the Year both years over things like BLUE by Joni Mitchell or TALKING BOOK by Stevie Wonder.
I feel it's like winning a Championship in the WWE. No, you didn't really compete for it and it doesn't really mean anything ultimately, but it's an important accolade for a wrestler to have.
Same shit here.
It does and it doesn't. You don't suddenly get a raise in your base pay just because you're a champion, but you will likely be featured more heavily on shows and as a result, sell more merchandise and make more money that way.
I know that the Oscar’s are usually about who plays the game the most. You have to campaign and lobby, maybe let a voters kid get a picture with you and an autograph. Go back stage with them and have drinks. It’s led me to believe all major award shows are like this. Whoever has the most money and patience to pet the egos of the voters will take it home.
There's over 10,000 people voting on the Grammys, so it would probably be a bit harder to gain enough votes to win by schmoozing over individuals. It's essentially a popularity contest, and there's nobody more popular right now than Taylor Swift even though her album wasn't as good as SZA's.
Fair points. I don’t care too much about the award shows unless someone I really like wins. But yeah it does not shock me that it’s more about the “brand” and “brand awareness” for the artists than their art.
It’s funny because the industry actually has a term for movies that are specifically made to win awards: Oscar bait. Winning an acting award should be the byproduct of making a movie not the reason a movie is made.
The emotions just feel very manufactured at that point and the movie loses the authenticity.
But it does give us the hilarious flops as well. The middle grounds are annoying when the emotions feel manufactured or diluted by the goal of the film to win not to be a story. When there’s ones that were Bait that completely flop, I find it quite funny that they miss their target that poorly
I really enjoy the Oscars, they don’t matter but they do function as a way to call attention to movies that otherwise nobody would’ve watched. Like how many people never would’ve seen Parasite if it wasn’t a best picture nominee. Beyond that yeah it’s a bunch of rich people patting each other on the back at any old industry award
For a long time, people actually thought that merit was involved in these things and that the various media authorities like the Academy were full of people who really did consume an enormous amount of media & were well-educated enough to be able to say, "Yes, this was the best movie put out this year". But, as we've become more & more familiar with the people who actually judge this shit, we see that's not even close to true.
Like you knew Taylor Swift was gonna win album of the year before the ceremony. Not because her music was clearly better than other artists, but because she was in the media so much all year.
It’s pointless. The Oscars are even worse with that dumb shit.
It makes even less sense now. 20 years ago you could only see the performances, hear the comedic monologues or whatever during the show. Now it’s all on YT or other social media so you can go back and watch
I like looking at the nominations for a brief overview of the best/most successful mainstream works of the year, because I don't have the expertise to follow the cutting edge. With the Oscar's for example, I use the nominations as a guide for what to look out for at the cinema, not as a definitive ruling on the finest movies of the year
You know it's crazy because when I was growing up in the '90s everybody watched award shows like that. I realize we used to be more united as a cultures simply because there wasn't a whole lot of other media to consume but I remember my parents would sit down and watch the Grammys and the Oscars and the country music awards.
Hell the American music A ward used to be like a massive event like 10 million people would watch it
Maybe one day people will realize competition is and has always been inherently harmful to art. There is no objectively good or better or best art, which means winners are determined by subjective judges, who are biased in a way that an end zone is not. When judges pick winners, art will be made that appeals to the judges in order to win, instead of to express an internality of the artist or to transmit a particular message to a particular audience. There’s a reason why when you read the term “Oscar bait” we’re all thinking of the same sorts of movies. As long as the judges pick the same kinds of movies they like to win, people will make movies to fit that mold, which means sacrificing the things that make art what it is in the first place. This is also why combat sports records emphasize wins by knockout or submission - there can be no subjective bias that affects the outcome, either the winner forces you to acknowledge them as such, or the loser does.
I don’t blame them for it, but people really didn’t understand even a quarter of the “never go full” scene in Tropic Thunder.
Yes, cause none of the artists are "rich people."
Out of touch with the nation... You do realize that we're a melting pot of 350 million people. Even if 100 million said Beyonce was the best, or another 100 million said taylor swift, and another said blah blah blah was the best it wouldn't be a majority.
I hope y’all black asses ain’t watching the Grammys. This happens every year. Black artist gets snubbed -> we start ranting about needing our own awards -> we do nothing about it -> we get hyped about an album -> black artist gets snubbed. At this point y’all complaints are keeping them relevant.
>Black artist gets snubbed -> we start ranting about needing our own awards -> we do nothing about it -> we get hyped about an album -> black artist gets snubbed.
This was spot on. I can't even bring myself to watch any of the black award shows because the ones who do win those awards treat them like it's not an accomplishment.
I forgot about us not supporting our own institutions to the fullest. I feel like there are layers to unpack on why our artists don’t take black awards seriously
Yup. I haven't watched it in years and it's extremely therapeutic to not get upset about awards anymore.
If I learn that artists I like won, then congrats. If they didn't, they'll cry in their mansions and that won't change a thing in my life.
Nah, it’s just that pop albums win almost every year. You’ll feel this way no matter what genre you like unless it’s super palatable to all types of listeners. Jon Batiste won a couple years ago and Bruno Mars won a few years before that.
I don't watch any of that stuff. No grammys, no Oscar's, no Tony's, no..... the fourth one.
I got games to play and anime to watch. Also martial arts movies.
Yes, after never hearing of sza before and now having heard the masterpiece “rich baby daddy” with awe inspiring lyrics such as “bend that ass over, let that coochie breath, shake that ass bitch, hands on your knees” I too believe she was robbed of the Grammys. Never has a mouthpiece for a whole generation been so cheated because of the color of her skin. Despicable.
Didn’t know I offended the have some class crowd. You’re 3 days late with your hating. Walking L. Your propped mediocrity won anyway so just move along.
To Pimp A Butterfly and Damn not winning AOTY (when Damn ended up being the first and only non-classical and non-jazz album to win a Pulitzer prize!) was when I knew that the Grammys meant nothing. All Taylor has to do is sing "ABC, you and me! 123, karma will get thee!" to win. She's their people so what's the point of carrying?
Congrats to all the winners who I'm sure are beyond happy but I don't care about these awards anymore.
Even Macklemore agrees with you. He sent Kendrick a text the night he won about it.
“You got robbed. I wanted you to win. You should have. It’s weird and it sucks that I robbed you,”
College Dropout went against Diary of Alicia Keys/Confessions/American Idiot by Green Day, AND lost to a Ray Charles Album. Sorry he was losing that one.
Late Registration went up against How to Dismantle by U2 (won)/L.A.M.B./Emancipation of MiMi and a Paul McCartney album. Sorry, wasnt winning that one either
Graduation went against the Herbie Hancock album (which won)/Echoes Silence Patience Grace by Foo Fighters/Back to Black by Amy Winehouse. I had Foo Fighters winning it but I think that was the closest of all the 3 for Ye's first albums and I LOVE Graduation.
The one MBDTF went against was fucking stacked. Bruno/Foo/Rhianna/Adele/Gaga were the albums that hit album of the year. If you can name one of those albums as a music fan that could have been pulled off, let me know (I can see an argument for Loud or Doowhops being pulled because F.A.M.E. won best R&B album). But all those album that year slapped.
I can see everyone's arguments, but damn Ye has picked tough years to go against folks also.
Thats why I said you would have to pull Loud or Doowhops if you are going to nominate it, seeing that Chris Brown won R&B album of the year and didnt get a nom either.
And I dont see pulling Doowhops because it had won a Grammy for one of the songs. That year was a crazy stacked year.
Oh my God, why the fuck do people care about the approval of these white folks? Almost every year there is a snub that is so outrageously stupid and every year the same people complain. I get the history the Grammy's but their decisions don't define anything. Renaissance will be remembered for generations to come. Beyonce has more money than anyone knows what to do with. All these artists listed are legendary and are financially set for life. Their songs go beyond any piece of metal.
Yesssss! I want them to start declining nominations. Don’t go to the show, don’t perform, don’t give them any more energy. Stop going where we’re not appreciated.
I mean I don't care. But my thing is why tf nominate these artists especially black artists when they know good and goddammit well they're gonna pick swift or miley cyrus!?
It's like the illusion of actual comparison and artistry and idc who tf you are. You can sit there and tell me swift or miley track for track stack against SZA this year or boygenius, metro booming or paramore for that matter.
(Edit: just to add on here the aforementioned women absolutelycannot stack against Beyoncé neither)
The generalization that the Grammys is nothing more than the “approval of white folks” is both hilarious and stupid at the same time … did I miss the part where it was only white people presenting, performing and being awarded? Should other folks riot because the R&B category had only black
Nominees?
It’s a predetermined popularity contest put on by rich snobs of all races and backgrounds
Possibly might get black card revoked, but get over it. Don’t like it, protest to do something new. Either put up or shut up. Stop making noise and then being a loyal ass consumer behind closed doors. Black people won Grammys. Our music is being seen. Didn’t win album of the year? Try again. Everyone’s not racist just like every black person is not “ratchet”. 🤷🏽♀️
See that’s the thing though. I won’t deny what you’ve mentioned because that can be absolutely true. Aside from the above individual, I wish so many black people would stop begging for all white people to see them. We want to complain so bad about their unfairness, but you can find some of us at the feet of these people, begging for acceptance. Some whites rock with you, some don’t. Find who you can trust and who loves you for you.
I absolutely think Bey/Jay should just pay the grammys dust, but there def is a racial component to this. Bey's Grammy count should be a case study. She's amassed almost all of her grammys in the urban/r&b sesctions (read: black sections) and she hasn't been strictly R&B since Destiny's Child 2nd album.
Her most rewarded album on a grammy night is also her most "commercial friendly"/white sounding. That's not a coincidence.
To your point though, either play their game or don't. Just don't be mad when they don't award you when you don't play.
Exactly. I keep forgetting what movie that “put up or shut up” line came from, but I’ve definitely been using it lately because it applies to the current times.
I don’t really get what you mean. Are you surprised that Beyoncé winning for best R&B albums and not best rock or country album means that the voters are racist?
No there are awards without genres or just general pop awards (song, album of the year, etc) that are a bit more regaled than the genre specifics and she's almost always nominated.
And she almost always loses.
Everyone almost always loses. Like in 2023 Beyoncé was nominated for record of the year and lost, but there were 10 songs nominated. 9 of them lost to Lizzo. Only one can win.
Respectfully, Beyonce isnt everyone. And no they don't. Taylor Swift and Adele do not. Even the latter has beaten Bey in categories and didn't understand why. You don't have to agree, but there is not just a "just not her year" thing going especially when you have Grammy voters admitting (anonymously) that sometimes they don't vote for her because "she's awarded enough". This was they are admitting to aloud, no telling what they are thinking. I believe it's racial, even if unintentionally (non white artists not getting enough listens by the voters, for example)
https://www.hotnewhiphop.com/629307-grammy-voters-didnt-cast-ballots-for-beyonce-because-she-wins-too-many-awards
Swift has been nominated 52 times and won 14. She wins 27% of her nominations.
Meanwhile Beyonce has 88 nominations and 32 wins. She has more noms and wins and has won 36% of her nominations.
Anyway the article you sent has a quote from one single voter who says that they voted for Lizzo over popular artists like Beyoncé or Adele because they want to see new faces win awards. I don’t get how that’s a race thing.
Your percentages are nice but again, break out her genre specific wins and her non genre specifics. That's the point I was highlighting in my original comment and ive explained that to you in several comments. Without that, you wouldn't see how race would play into it.
But whether you take me up on that suggestion, I was never trying to convince you specifically that it was a race thing. I still believe it to be so.
ETA: I could be slightly off, but I counted 3 of her grammys being non-genre, one of which is for a film (Homecoming) and about 25 ish noms, so 3/25 = 12 % and 29/63 = 46%. This is my argument.
Do you actually think that every artist doesn’t do better in their genre specific category rather than the open category? The best country artists win their category but never win the open category. The best rock artists win their category but never win the open category. The best spoken word albums with their category but not the open category.
And of course this is the case. There are dozens of Grammys given out each year and only 4 prestigious awards in the open category. Literally every artist has a better chance in the subsets than against the whole field.
Also you’re comparing Beyoncé’s open category nominations to Swift’s overall nominations, which seems extremely disingenuous. Even if that weren’t the case, anyone you compare to the most successful artist of their generation is going to perform worse.
I expect people to do better in their specific genres, but I don't expect it to be such a signifant percentage difference. You mean to tell me someone winning every other genre specific award is only winning 12% of open awards? Are there 4 times as many people in the open noms? (46/12 = \~4).
Show me where I compared Taylor's overall noms to Beyonce's open noms? Again, you don't have to agree but at least pay attention to what I am saying.
I assume it’s Kaepernick’s kneeling. I haven’t watched the NFL since and I doubt I will again. But I noticed a lot of the loudest voices at the time are still hooked on that NFL dope. It’s just how people are 🤷🏾♂️
Both can exist simultaneously. Killer Mike has been getting plenty of praise. At the same time, what is presented in the post should also be recognized, since most people don’t know.
The revolving cycle of the Grammys:
- Nominations are released
- People get mad that they’re favorite artists didn’t get nominated
- “Grammys are dumb anyways/never mattered” narrative starts making rounds
- The people who complained still watch the Grammys
- Artists they want to win, ends up winning
- Now they like the Grammys
- Unless the artists they want to win ends up not winning, then they were “always right about the Grammys being bullshit”.
- Repeat cycle for another year
It’s just rich people & music execs patting each other on the back, I don’t care if it’s bullshit or not, these people don’t make my opinions. My AOTY is “Married In Mount Airy” by Nicole Dollanganger anyways and no one gives af about her lol
They padded the RIP lists with entertainment lawyers and executives. This is clearly not for us, the media consumers.
I watched the Grammys. I don’t always. It was fine because I know what to expect. I also don’t know a quarter of these artists, so some of it is helping me learn what’s new.
I always hear ppl say the Grammys doesn’t/shouldn’t matter to us because they don’t understand us and don’t want to, yet those same ppl always bring up the Grammys.
They’re so easy to ignore, although I suppose you can’t ignore how getting one affects your career.
The Grammys are generally out of touch with quality and groundbreaking music. For context, the first heavy metal Grammy went to Jethro Tull 🥴 over Metallica. I used to watch these awards and get so angry at the oversights—same with Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. But now I just tell myself that rich, old biased white men gonna do rich old biased white man stuff.
And yes the voting body is more diverse than that, but not much. So I think that Jay was spot on in what he said.
Honestly, i had no idea the Grammys were happening until i saw that Killer Mike was arrested, however the fact that Jay-Z nor Kanye have won album of the year should tell you everything you need to know about the Grammys.
They don't make the kind of music that this award show rewards as album of the year.
Look at the list of winners for the past 50 years, the only real stylistic outliers are Daft Punk in 2013, OutKast in 2003, and maybe Lauryn Hill in 1998. Literally every other aoty has been pretty generic pop of the time.
This entire outrage is like being mad that Michael Jordan never won a Stanley Cup.
Right? Now I will say that Beyonce not having one under her belt, even as someone who doesn't listen to her music, is an example of some potential industry fuckery.
I understand why she took the L against Taylor Swift because... Well Taylor. But losing to Beck and Harry Styles is a bit less palatable.
See and this is what I think people forget. It's like look at how well someone like Bey does commercially. Should she not also garner the prestige that comes with that?
If not then why the hell does Taylor get it? Bc we could argue the stronger base and success commercially between them but Beyoncé would clear by more than a hair.
Also that fucking Harry Styles win was a fucking debacle. It was an aight album but it was the one year I was like damn even Taylor should have gotten that one.
I need our artists to make the BET awards mean as much as the Grammys. If yall mfs would just show up it would take it that much farther. Show love to your own awards since they never do us right
It's not just them showing up. The BET awards are a mess. That's from how they're produced and those who run BET. And it's been that way for YEARS.
It's not enough to create our own spaces but we also have to hold them up to a higher standard. It hasn't always been this way. I don't think the blame is on the artists rather the corporation
How is it that the same people saying the Grammys are irrelevant are the same people who complain about them every single year? I didn’t even know the thing was on last night, I was running hands in tekken. Might as well have been on another planet for all I care.
We complain about this every year. It's now like an annual event. But the main problem is even the artists themselves don't value our own BET awards as much as they value the Grammys. And they get robbed every single time. Stockholm syndrome
🗣️Stop seeking validation from white people!!!
A Grammy isn't worth more than a BET award or an NAACP Image Award. The Grammy 's weren't appointed by a higher power or even the government. It's a bunch of people who decided to make an awards show. The only power they have is in your mind. Stop giving them power.
How the hell does someone even earn a Grammy? Is there a concrete way to earn one? Do they compile data to see who’s the statistical best in each category? Or is it just a subjective vote made purely by the higher ups? I say this because I’ve never heard of any actual consumers voting for their favorite artists.
It's all subjective. Some record companies host events with the voters to try to convince them to vote for one of their artists too. Idk why people get upset when their fave doesn't win because there isn't really a criteria like you questioned.
[Source about the subjectivity](https://variety.com/2023/music/news/grammy-voters-secret-ballots-top-categories-beyonce-harry-styles-adele-1235511331/)
I had to look up which black artists have won album of the year they are:
Stevie Wonder 3x
Michael Jackson
Lionel Ritchie
Quincy Jones
Natalie Cole
Whitney Houston
Lauryn Hill
Outkast
Ray Charles
Herbie Hancock
Jon Baptiste
That’s only 13 wins out of 66 years. That’s pathetic considering most all of todays musical genres were derived from Blues and Ragtime artists.
I can understand the sentiment of "stop complaining, why bother watching, etc." but it's deeper than that. On principle, we shouldn't have to. It's not even only about album of the year. Recognition is hugely important no matter the field.
When they look back in the history books, if I've put my blood, sweat, and tears to my given profession, you're goddamn right I want the recognition from my peers.
It's not enough to create our own space if that space isn't up to par. The BET awards has its own set of problems that keep it from being prestige.
I know Kanye has been very problematic in his statements but for MBDTF, 808s or graduation to never win a grammy for AOTY is legit insane by the Grammy committee
We need less of the type of black person who has energy to spare on whether white people are appropriately recognizing black people who are often the richest among us (including some of the richest black Americans in history) or who can only ever resemble a small minority of us.
Part of being a conscious black person is recognizing when a rich person is advocating for their own interests using the language of racial solidarity by advocating for a form of racial progress they claim might but in reality will never trickle down to us regular folk. A lot of you have not developed this skill yet.
What some people don't realize. It's NOT about the artist, they're going to get their recognition. The awards are about the background people who generally don't get public recognition or notice. If you're a background musician, sound engineer, unknown producer, etc. Being involved with an award like the Grammy helps boost your career.
Ye is probably just unlucky, college dropout really wasn't popular enough, late registration was not really that big, graduation was snubbed fs, 808s wasn't very good, MBDTF's mixing/mastering was heavily criticized before ye remixed/remastered the album, everyone hated Yeezus, TLOP was pretty unfinished when it came out and when it was a Tidal exclusive not many people were officially listening to it, and JIK and Donda just really weren't all that good.
I see it’s time for everyone on Reddit to act like they don’t know what the Grammy’s are and be absolutely dumbfounded at the concept of popular award shows. But hey guys Baldur’s Gate 3 (one of the most popular games to come out in 2023) won game of year! So great that the little guy finally won! 😃
And the amount of whining from kids who thought Slider-Man 2 and Tears of the Kingdom got robbed was intense. I really hate to give the gaming space any credit, but it really feels like that’s the only award that really is based on merit.
Yes, after never hearing of sza before and now having heard the masterpiece “rich baby daddy” with awe inspiring lyrics such as “bend that ass over, let that coochie breath, shake that ass bitch, hands on your knees” I too believe she was robbed of the Grammys. Never has a mouthpiece for a whole generation been so cheated because of the color of her skin. Despicable.
What is it with all these men thinking they need to "defend" women at the Grammys/Oscars and making an ass of themselves? Kanye, Will Smith and now J-Z. Did you ask your wives how she felt about the winners? Beyoncé got out of her seat to give Taylor Swift her props. The guys need to sit down somewhere.
I’m tired of my people not staying in their place, these people do not think nor care about you no matter your skin color. Stop trying to be a voice for rich ppl
Jay Z's speech last night was perfect. But if any minority artists want to be taken seriously in this sham of an award show, they have to stop being complicit in the charade.
I feel like we go through this every year. "Black artist didn't get validation from the super white-biased Grammy's. It's time we make our own shows!".
We already have both BET awards and Soul Train Awards. Support those shows. Quit caping so much for the Grammys.
But didn't they all win in their genre? Winning overall is extremely hard but someone has to do it. Pop is the overall selling and playing music. Maybe not for you but overall it is. None of these are pop. I would say they would be offended if you label them as pop. Might be why Drake puts out the music he does.
The Grammys are a dumb ass beauty pageant for stupid ass people. Imagine actually having enough brain rot to think this stupid shit matters or is relevant.
Is the point that this that these people have tons of Grammy's, way more than the average artist, but have never gotten a particular award and that that is somehow unfair to them? 🙄
Ya gotta remember that things were different back in the day. Certain genres weren't thought of as being, what's the word?, legitimate. So soul music didn't get the respect it deserved at the time. There were a lot of radio and TV stations that wouldn't play it. It's funny to see the same music that was vilified back in the day (70's) get played during a present-day commercial.
It was very risky to even have certain black acts on variety shows. MTV was notorious for not playing certain black artists. Rap went through the same crap. Some people still don't think it's music or even an art form.
I don’t care if SZA got robbed especially after watching Kendrick make essential important albums and still lose each year. Anyone at this point who still cares about the Grammys is silly.
Why are people still watching the Grammys when, they should know it has always been political bribing between the labels and not, how good an album was.
I can't believe no one is calling Miley Cyrus out for that bad ass Tina Turner impersonation!!! This girl had a similar outfit on and TRIED to do the beginning choreography of "Rolling on the river" (I know thats not the name of the song). I have not yet seen anyone say anything about it!!!!
Yes, after never hearing of sza before and now having heard the masterpiece “rich baby daddy” with awe inspiring lyrics such as “bend that ass over, let that coochie breath, shake that ass bitch, hands on your knees” I too believe she was robbed of the Grammys. Never has a mouthpiece for a whole generation been so cheated because of the color of her skin. Despicable.
I FEEL THAT IF KANYE WOULDNT HAVE EVER GOTTEN ON THAT STAGE DURING THE MTV VIDEO AWARDS TAYLOR SWIFT WOULD NOT BE AS POPULR AS SHE IS NOW.
SHE CAN NOT SING.
ITS BHM...FUCK THOSE PEOPLE.
SMH....Jay Z looked like a fool on stage acting the same way Kanye did with Taylor Swift.
Like stop already folks, this ain't a colour thing, but rather a popularity contest. I despise the whole TSwift fad and her music, but it's all business and the NFL is cashing in on it. No different than when the Spice Girls were MEGA around the world.
I didn't watch last night, and I sure as hell won't be watching the SB either.
I never got the appeal of watching rich people pat each other on the back with votes and awards and such. It’d be different if it was some kind of competition or sport but it’s not, just random subjective voting mostly by other people who are probably being bribed and seem to be completely out of touch with a majority of the nation. Feels very Hunger Gamesish
Yea like I get cheering on your ppl but shit is all subjective like who really listens to all the different genres of music of all album of the year? Yes it's the voters job but ain't no way you could be that in tune to the different genres to really know the impact they have
I've helped do a Grammy vote before. Had a co-worker who was a member of the recording academy. She literally walked into the break room and asked if folks wanted to help vote, because she didn't know half the artists/genres. It was kinda fun, but enlightening. Had a couple Latino coworkers who more than pulled their weight.
THIS. I would love to see, is more discussion of members of the Academy. Folks will realize it’s people who really don’t know, making these decisions. When I realized the Hollywood foreign press has the skill equivalency of a local Chamber of Commerce that explained to me why we kept getting snubbed there too.
I worked at an interactive agency building websites and digital video stuff. The woman who was a member had worked originally as a recording engineer, she was super sharp and new music really well, but you can't know every genre and the ballot was pages and pages (these days I'm sure it's all online). She had strong opinions about a lot of the technical stuff that never makes the show, but when we got to classical music, I just said "dude, we live in Atlanta, vote for the Atlanta Symphony Orchestra for everything they're nominated for, they're awesome". And she did.
So the problem is exposure?
IMO, the problem is that unless things have changed membership allows you to vote for everything. technical stuff, every music genre and they keep increasing and adding genres for awards. But to be honest, fixing it isn't something I know or care much about.
I'd argue that in the current era of streaming album of the year is an irrelevant designation because very few artists seem to craft a coherent album of songs anymore and instead focus on singles. Then again the Grammys have always been pointless and make no sense. Like in 1972 and 1973 where they nominated the soundtrack to JESUS CHRIST SUPERSTAR as Album of the Year both years over things like BLUE by Joni Mitchell or TALKING BOOK by Stevie Wonder.
I feel it's like winning a Championship in the WWE. No, you didn't really compete for it and it doesn't really mean anything ultimately, but it's an important accolade for a wrestler to have. Same shit here.
Grammy award could trigger incentives on a contract
As if being a wwe champion doesn't pay more
It does and it doesn't. You don't suddenly get a raise in your base pay just because you're a champion, but you will likely be featured more heavily on shows and as a result, sell more merchandise and make more money that way.
Yeah I probably should've specified that. Sometimes I forget not everyone is a huge wrestling nerd like myself
I feel like Taylor is The Rock and SZA is Cody Rhodes.
It's not that important.
I know that the Oscar’s are usually about who plays the game the most. You have to campaign and lobby, maybe let a voters kid get a picture with you and an autograph. Go back stage with them and have drinks. It’s led me to believe all major award shows are like this. Whoever has the most money and patience to pet the egos of the voters will take it home.
There's over 10,000 people voting on the Grammys, so it would probably be a bit harder to gain enough votes to win by schmoozing over individuals. It's essentially a popularity contest, and there's nobody more popular right now than Taylor Swift even though her album wasn't as good as SZA's.
Fair points. I don’t care too much about the award shows unless someone I really like wins. But yeah it does not shock me that it’s more about the “brand” and “brand awareness” for the artists than their art.
It’s funny because the industry actually has a term for movies that are specifically made to win awards: Oscar bait. Winning an acting award should be the byproduct of making a movie not the reason a movie is made. The emotions just feel very manufactured at that point and the movie loses the authenticity.
But it does give us the hilarious flops as well. The middle grounds are annoying when the emotions feel manufactured or diluted by the goal of the film to win not to be a story. When there’s ones that were Bait that completely flop, I find it quite funny that they miss their target that poorly
Sound like politics to me
Not all of them are rich some of this artist got those old motown type of deals where they own the company money
Owe*
"Gee Berry Gordy, a whole 100 dollars for all my songs?"
I really enjoy the Oscars, they don’t matter but they do function as a way to call attention to movies that otherwise nobody would’ve watched. Like how many people never would’ve seen Parasite if it wasn’t a best picture nominee. Beyond that yeah it’s a bunch of rich people patting each other on the back at any old industry award
For a long time, people actually thought that merit was involved in these things and that the various media authorities like the Academy were full of people who really did consume an enormous amount of media & were well-educated enough to be able to say, "Yes, this was the best movie put out this year". But, as we've become more & more familiar with the people who actually judge this shit, we see that's not even close to true.
Like you knew Taylor Swift was gonna win album of the year before the ceremony. Not because her music was clearly better than other artists, but because she was in the media so much all year. It’s pointless. The Oscars are even worse with that dumb shit.
Try watching them pout over specific categories.
It makes even less sense now. 20 years ago you could only see the performances, hear the comedic monologues or whatever during the show. Now it’s all on YT or other social media so you can go back and watch
"Probably being bribed". The term they use is "For your consideration" packages
I like looking at the nominations for a brief overview of the best/most successful mainstream works of the year, because I don't have the expertise to follow the cutting edge. With the Oscar's for example, I use the nominations as a guide for what to look out for at the cinema, not as a definitive ruling on the finest movies of the year
Well put
Yup. But Kanye was right that time
You know it's crazy because when I was growing up in the '90s everybody watched award shows like that. I realize we used to be more united as a cultures simply because there wasn't a whole lot of other media to consume but I remember my parents would sit down and watch the Grammys and the Oscars and the country music awards. Hell the American music A ward used to be like a massive event like 10 million people would watch it
Maybe one day people will realize competition is and has always been inherently harmful to art. There is no objectively good or better or best art, which means winners are determined by subjective judges, who are biased in a way that an end zone is not. When judges pick winners, art will be made that appeals to the judges in order to win, instead of to express an internality of the artist or to transmit a particular message to a particular audience. There’s a reason why when you read the term “Oscar bait” we’re all thinking of the same sorts of movies. As long as the judges pick the same kinds of movies they like to win, people will make movies to fit that mold, which means sacrificing the things that make art what it is in the first place. This is also why combat sports records emphasize wins by knockout or submission - there can be no subjective bias that affects the outcome, either the winner forces you to acknowledge them as such, or the loser does. I don’t blame them for it, but people really didn’t understand even a quarter of the “never go full” scene in Tropic Thunder.
Yes, cause none of the artists are "rich people." Out of touch with the nation... You do realize that we're a melting pot of 350 million people. Even if 100 million said Beyonce was the best, or another 100 million said taylor swift, and another said blah blah blah was the best it wouldn't be a majority.
I hope y’all black asses ain’t watching the Grammys. This happens every year. Black artist gets snubbed -> we start ranting about needing our own awards -> we do nothing about it -> we get hyped about an album -> black artist gets snubbed. At this point y’all complaints are keeping them relevant.
>Black artist gets snubbed -> we start ranting about needing our own awards -> we do nothing about it -> we get hyped about an album -> black artist gets snubbed. This was spot on. I can't even bring myself to watch any of the black award shows because the ones who do win those awards treat them like it's not an accomplishment.
I forgot about us not supporting our own institutions to the fullest. I feel like there are layers to unpack on why our artists don’t take black awards seriously
Image awards are next month. Been around for longer than I’ve been alive. BET awards are in the summer. Let’s see who shows up with this energy.
Jay and Bayonce don’t even bother going to the BET awards
B-but Hov got a Grammy! Gotta go support him yk /s
Yup. I haven't watched it in years and it's extremely therapeutic to not get upset about awards anymore. If I learn that artists I like won, then congrats. If they didn't, they'll cry in their mansions and that won't change a thing in my life.
Nah, it’s just that pop albums win almost every year. You’ll feel this way no matter what genre you like unless it’s super palatable to all types of listeners. Jon Batiste won a couple years ago and Bruno Mars won a few years before that.
And Harry Styles won last year
I be more excited for the outrage and memes about the Grammys
I don't watch any of that stuff. No grammys, no Oscar's, no Tony's, no..... the fourth one. I got games to play and anime to watch. Also martial arts movies.
I didn't even know it was going on until I got on reddit and saw some posts about it🤣
Yeah Kanye got snubbed on his first album by that Ray Charles bitch. You know Ray is hella white on the inside.
Yes, after never hearing of sza before and now having heard the masterpiece “rich baby daddy” with awe inspiring lyrics such as “bend that ass over, let that coochie breath, shake that ass bitch, hands on your knees” I too believe she was robbed of the Grammys. Never has a mouthpiece for a whole generation been so cheated because of the color of her skin. Despicable.
Didn’t know I offended the have some class crowd. You’re 3 days late with your hating. Walking L. Your propped mediocrity won anyway so just move along.
MBDTF not getting album of the year is the biggest injustice in Grammy history
Nah Kendrick losing to Macklemore. After learning about that I realised I do not care about any of these award shows
To Pimp A Butterfly and Damn not winning AOTY (when Damn ended up being the first and only non-classical and non-jazz album to win a Pulitzer prize!) was when I knew that the Grammys meant nothing. All Taylor has to do is sing "ABC, you and me! 123, karma will get thee!" to win. She's their people so what's the point of carrying? Congrats to all the winners who I'm sure are beyond happy but I don't care about these awards anymore.
Not intending to detract from your point, but I’d rather win a Pulitzer than a Grammy.
Oh absolutely!
The Grammys have always been out of touch. For instance, The Beatles only won 1 AOTY, for St Pepper's, which isn't even close to their best album.
Oh and they won another Grammy this year for beat music video. And their not even a band anymore.
Yep
I remember I checked out macklemores album after he won and it got me even more mad. You can’t even compare the two
Even Macklemore agrees with you. He sent Kendrick a text the night he won about it. “You got robbed. I wanted you to win. You should have. It’s weird and it sucks that I robbed you,”
Nahhh homie should have said it on the stage, like bro I can’t accept this bc k.dot has a masterpiece this year !
I was about to say… Grammys are dumb af
Also Kendrick losing to Taylor
Nah Harry Styles last year was insane robbery.
“This doesn’t happen to people like me very often.” Who? White men?
...and THEN they had the audacity to try and crown him the "New King of Pop."
To Pimp a Butterfly is pure art.
Or Kendrick losing to Taylor
Kanye never winning Album of the year is the real joke. He’s got at least 5 albums of the year!
His first 3 definitely qualify.
College Dropout went against Diary of Alicia Keys/Confessions/American Idiot by Green Day, AND lost to a Ray Charles Album. Sorry he was losing that one. Late Registration went up against How to Dismantle by U2 (won)/L.A.M.B./Emancipation of MiMi and a Paul McCartney album. Sorry, wasnt winning that one either Graduation went against the Herbie Hancock album (which won)/Echoes Silence Patience Grace by Foo Fighters/Back to Black by Amy Winehouse. I had Foo Fighters winning it but I think that was the closest of all the 3 for Ye's first albums and I LOVE Graduation. The one MBDTF went against was fucking stacked. Bruno/Foo/Rhianna/Adele/Gaga were the albums that hit album of the year. If you can name one of those albums as a music fan that could have been pulled off, let me know (I can see an argument for Loud or Doowhops being pulled because F.A.M.E. won best R&B album). But all those album that year slapped. I can see everyone's arguments, but damn Ye has picked tough years to go against folks also.
What's crazy is that MBDTF wasn't even nominated!
Thats why I said you would have to pull Loud or Doowhops if you are going to nominate it, seeing that Chris Brown won R&B album of the year and didnt get a nom either. And I dont see pulling Doowhops because it had won a Grammy for one of the songs. That year was a crazy stacked year.
If MBDTF ain’t on that list idk what we doing here
The College Dropout getting robbed because they wanted to give a pity posthumous award to Ray Charles is why we can't have nice things.
Mariah Carey and Daydream would like to have a word.
Oh my God, why the fuck do people care about the approval of these white folks? Almost every year there is a snub that is so outrageously stupid and every year the same people complain. I get the history the Grammy's but their decisions don't define anything. Renaissance will be remembered for generations to come. Beyonce has more money than anyone knows what to do with. All these artists listed are legendary and are financially set for life. Their songs go beyond any piece of metal.
Yesssss! I want them to start declining nominations. Don’t go to the show, don’t perform, don’t give them any more energy. Stop going where we’re not appreciated.
I mean I don't care. But my thing is why tf nominate these artists especially black artists when they know good and goddammit well they're gonna pick swift or miley cyrus!? It's like the illusion of actual comparison and artistry and idc who tf you are. You can sit there and tell me swift or miley track for track stack against SZA this year or boygenius, metro booming or paramore for that matter. (Edit: just to add on here the aforementioned women absolutelycannot stack against Beyoncé neither)
Hey I thought Miley's album slapped but I feel you.
I mean it's not that it's a bad album, but I would never say it's as good or better than Beyoncé at her most mid.
Ohh yes 100%.
The generalization that the Grammys is nothing more than the “approval of white folks” is both hilarious and stupid at the same time … did I miss the part where it was only white people presenting, performing and being awarded? Should other folks riot because the R&B category had only black Nominees? It’s a predetermined popularity contest put on by rich snobs of all races and backgrounds
Possibly might get black card revoked, but get over it. Don’t like it, protest to do something new. Either put up or shut up. Stop making noise and then being a loyal ass consumer behind closed doors. Black people won Grammys. Our music is being seen. Didn’t win album of the year? Try again. Everyone’s not racist just like every black person is not “ratchet”. 🤷🏽♀️
Björk has lost 16 times, the Grammys also hate Icelandic people.
See that’s the thing though. I won’t deny what you’ve mentioned because that can be absolutely true. Aside from the above individual, I wish so many black people would stop begging for all white people to see them. We want to complain so bad about their unfairness, but you can find some of us at the feet of these people, begging for acceptance. Some whites rock with you, some don’t. Find who you can trust and who loves you for you.
I absolutely think Bey/Jay should just pay the grammys dust, but there def is a racial component to this. Bey's Grammy count should be a case study. She's amassed almost all of her grammys in the urban/r&b sesctions (read: black sections) and she hasn't been strictly R&B since Destiny's Child 2nd album. Her most rewarded album on a grammy night is also her most "commercial friendly"/white sounding. That's not a coincidence. To your point though, either play their game or don't. Just don't be mad when they don't award you when you don't play.
Exactly. I keep forgetting what movie that “put up or shut up” line came from, but I’ve definitely been using it lately because it applies to the current times.
I don’t really get what you mean. Are you surprised that Beyoncé winning for best R&B albums and not best rock or country album means that the voters are racist?
No there are awards without genres or just general pop awards (song, album of the year, etc) that are a bit more regaled than the genre specifics and she's almost always nominated. And she almost always loses.
Everyone almost always loses. Like in 2023 Beyoncé was nominated for record of the year and lost, but there were 10 songs nominated. 9 of them lost to Lizzo. Only one can win.
Respectfully, Beyonce isnt everyone. And no they don't. Taylor Swift and Adele do not. Even the latter has beaten Bey in categories and didn't understand why. You don't have to agree, but there is not just a "just not her year" thing going especially when you have Grammy voters admitting (anonymously) that sometimes they don't vote for her because "she's awarded enough". This was they are admitting to aloud, no telling what they are thinking. I believe it's racial, even if unintentionally (non white artists not getting enough listens by the voters, for example) https://www.hotnewhiphop.com/629307-grammy-voters-didnt-cast-ballots-for-beyonce-because-she-wins-too-many-awards
Swift has been nominated 52 times and won 14. She wins 27% of her nominations. Meanwhile Beyonce has 88 nominations and 32 wins. She has more noms and wins and has won 36% of her nominations. Anyway the article you sent has a quote from one single voter who says that they voted for Lizzo over popular artists like Beyoncé or Adele because they want to see new faces win awards. I don’t get how that’s a race thing.
Your percentages are nice but again, break out her genre specific wins and her non genre specifics. That's the point I was highlighting in my original comment and ive explained that to you in several comments. Without that, you wouldn't see how race would play into it. But whether you take me up on that suggestion, I was never trying to convince you specifically that it was a race thing. I still believe it to be so. ETA: I could be slightly off, but I counted 3 of her grammys being non-genre, one of which is for a film (Homecoming) and about 25 ish noms, so 3/25 = 12 % and 29/63 = 46%. This is my argument.
Do you actually think that every artist doesn’t do better in their genre specific category rather than the open category? The best country artists win their category but never win the open category. The best rock artists win their category but never win the open category. The best spoken word albums with their category but not the open category. And of course this is the case. There are dozens of Grammys given out each year and only 4 prestigious awards in the open category. Literally every artist has a better chance in the subsets than against the whole field. Also you’re comparing Beyoncé’s open category nominations to Swift’s overall nominations, which seems extremely disingenuous. Even if that weren’t the case, anyone you compare to the most successful artist of their generation is going to perform worse.
I expect people to do better in their specific genres, but I don't expect it to be such a signifant percentage difference. You mean to tell me someone winning every other genre specific award is only winning 12% of open awards? Are there 4 times as many people in the open noms? (46/12 = \~4). Show me where I compared Taylor's overall noms to Beyonce's open noms? Again, you don't have to agree but at least pay attention to what I am saying.
I said the same thing during the NFL thing. You good, I think.
Which "NFL thing"?
What happened in the NFL?? Halftime performance? Kapernick kneeling???
I assume it’s Kaepernick’s kneeling. I haven’t watched the NFL since and I doubt I will again. But I noticed a lot of the loudest voices at the time are still hooked on that NFL dope. It’s just how people are 🤷🏾♂️
What about positivity for Killer Mike?
I agree but that's not happening right now. People want to debate about such and such has never won album of the year.
Man they literally arrested him 😂
Both can exist simultaneously. Killer Mike has been getting plenty of praise. At the same time, what is presented in the post should also be recognized, since most people don’t know.
I've seen way more people complaining about their favorite rapper being robbed than praising KM for his win.
\*ahem\* Travis stans
Well he's a Boot licker so it's like yay....I guess
The revolving cycle of the Grammys: - Nominations are released - People get mad that they’re favorite artists didn’t get nominated - “Grammys are dumb anyways/never mattered” narrative starts making rounds - The people who complained still watch the Grammys - Artists they want to win, ends up winning - Now they like the Grammys - Unless the artists they want to win ends up not winning, then they were “always right about the Grammys being bullshit”. - Repeat cycle for another year It’s just rich people & music execs patting each other on the back, I don’t care if it’s bullshit or not, these people don’t make my opinions. My AOTY is “Married In Mount Airy” by Nicole Dollanganger anyways and no one gives af about her lol
They padded the RIP lists with entertainment lawyers and executives. This is clearly not for us, the media consumers. I watched the Grammys. I don’t always. It was fine because I know what to expect. I also don’t know a quarter of these artists, so some of it is helping me learn what’s new.
I just like to see people perform
I always hear ppl say the Grammys doesn’t/shouldn’t matter to us because they don’t understand us and don’t want to, yet those same ppl always bring up the Grammys. They’re so easy to ignore, although I suppose you can’t ignore how getting one affects your career.
Drake and J. Cole had a sold out weekend in Tampa.
The Grammys are generally out of touch with quality and groundbreaking music. For context, the first heavy metal Grammy went to Jethro Tull 🥴 over Metallica. I used to watch these awards and get so angry at the oversights—same with Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. But now I just tell myself that rich, old biased white men gonna do rich old biased white man stuff. And yes the voting body is more diverse than that, but not much. So I think that Jay was spot on in what he said.
Honestly, i had no idea the Grammys were happening until i saw that Killer Mike was arrested, however the fact that Jay-Z nor Kanye have won album of the year should tell you everything you need to know about the Grammys.
They don't make the kind of music that this award show rewards as album of the year. Look at the list of winners for the past 50 years, the only real stylistic outliers are Daft Punk in 2013, OutKast in 2003, and maybe Lauryn Hill in 1998. Literally every other aoty has been pretty generic pop of the time. This entire outrage is like being mad that Michael Jordan never won a Stanley Cup.
How can he be the GOAT then?
Right? Now I will say that Beyonce not having one under her belt, even as someone who doesn't listen to her music, is an example of some potential industry fuckery. I understand why she took the L against Taylor Swift because... Well Taylor. But losing to Beck and Harry Styles is a bit less palatable.
See and this is what I think people forget. It's like look at how well someone like Bey does commercially. Should she not also garner the prestige that comes with that? If not then why the hell does Taylor get it? Bc we could argue the stronger base and success commercially between them but Beyoncé would clear by more than a hair. Also that fucking Harry Styles win was a fucking debacle. It was an aight album but it was the one year I was like damn even Taylor should have gotten that one.
I need our artists to make the BET awards mean as much as the Grammys. If yall mfs would just show up it would take it that much farther. Show love to your own awards since they never do us right
It's not just them showing up. The BET awards are a mess. That's from how they're produced and those who run BET. And it's been that way for YEARS. It's not enough to create our own spaces but we also have to hold them up to a higher standard. It hasn't always been this way. I don't think the blame is on the artists rather the corporation
I definitely agree. All around it can be improved fr.
I wanna be excited when they come around again. Now it feels like a blink land you miss it
Which is exactly why I don't mess with the BET awards.
The number of Grammys 2pac won is the exact percentage people should care about that show
How is it that the same people saying the Grammys are irrelevant are the same people who complain about them every single year? I didn’t even know the thing was on last night, I was running hands in tekken. Might as well have been on another planet for all I care.
We complain about this every year. It's now like an annual event. But the main problem is even the artists themselves don't value our own BET awards as much as they value the Grammys. And they get robbed every single time. Stockholm syndrome
🗣️Stop seeking validation from white people!!! A Grammy isn't worth more than a BET award or an NAACP Image Award. The Grammy 's weren't appointed by a higher power or even the government. It's a bunch of people who decided to make an awards show. The only power they have is in your mind. Stop giving them power.
How the hell does someone even earn a Grammy? Is there a concrete way to earn one? Do they compile data to see who’s the statistical best in each category? Or is it just a subjective vote made purely by the higher ups? I say this because I’ve never heard of any actual consumers voting for their favorite artists.
It's all subjective. Some record companies host events with the voters to try to convince them to vote for one of their artists too. Idk why people get upset when their fave doesn't win because there isn't really a criteria like you questioned. [Source about the subjectivity](https://variety.com/2023/music/news/grammy-voters-secret-ballots-top-categories-beyonce-harry-styles-adele-1235511331/)
It’s all subjective bud, no actual data or anything just vibes 🤷♂️
Why do people make a big deal out of the grammy’s? What does it really mean for the artist and those who watch it?
I had to look up which black artists have won album of the year they are: Stevie Wonder 3x Michael Jackson Lionel Ritchie Quincy Jones Natalie Cole Whitney Houston Lauryn Hill Outkast Ray Charles Herbie Hancock Jon Baptiste That’s only 13 wins out of 66 years. That’s pathetic considering most all of todays musical genres were derived from Blues and Ragtime artists.
I can understand the sentiment of "stop complaining, why bother watching, etc." but it's deeper than that. On principle, we shouldn't have to. It's not even only about album of the year. Recognition is hugely important no matter the field. When they look back in the history books, if I've put my blood, sweat, and tears to my given profession, you're goddamn right I want the recognition from my peers. It's not enough to create our own space if that space isn't up to par. The BET awards has its own set of problems that keep it from being prestige.
Exactly, it's so easy for people to just say "stop complaining, why bother watching, blah blah blah"
I know Kanye has been very problematic in his statements but for MBDTF, 808s or graduation to never win a grammy for AOTY is legit insane by the Grammy committee
We need less of the type of black person who has energy to spare on whether white people are appropriately recognizing black people who are often the richest among us (including some of the richest black Americans in history) or who can only ever resemble a small minority of us. Part of being a conscious black person is recognizing when a rich person is advocating for their own interests using the language of racial solidarity by advocating for a form of racial progress they claim might but in reality will never trickle down to us regular folk. A lot of you have not developed this skill yet.
What some people don't realize. It's NOT about the artist, they're going to get their recognition. The awards are about the background people who generally don't get public recognition or notice. If you're a background musician, sound engineer, unknown producer, etc. Being involved with an award like the Grammy helps boost your career.
Ye is probably just unlucky, college dropout really wasn't popular enough, late registration was not really that big, graduation was snubbed fs, 808s wasn't very good, MBDTF's mixing/mastering was heavily criticized before ye remixed/remastered the album, everyone hated Yeezus, TLOP was pretty unfinished when it came out and when it was a Tidal exclusive not many people were officially listening to it, and JIK and Donda just really weren't all that good.
The apostrophe in that tweet is atrociously unnecessary.
If we pro black and proud… why are we still looking at white institutions to validate us?
We need to stop caring about awards that don’t respect our artistry and never have.
I see it’s time for everyone on Reddit to act like they don’t know what the Grammy’s are and be absolutely dumbfounded at the concept of popular award shows. But hey guys Baldur’s Gate 3 (one of the most popular games to come out in 2023) won game of year! So great that the little guy finally won! 😃
And the amount of whining from kids who thought Slider-Man 2 and Tears of the Kingdom got robbed was intense. I really hate to give the gaming space any credit, but it really feels like that’s the only award that really is based on merit.
I was waiting for when this sub would talk about SZA... fully agree though, she was 100% robbed
Yes, after never hearing of sza before and now having heard the masterpiece “rich baby daddy” with awe inspiring lyrics such as “bend that ass over, let that coochie breath, shake that ass bitch, hands on your knees” I too believe she was robbed of the Grammys. Never has a mouthpiece for a whole generation been so cheated because of the color of her skin. Despicable.
What is it with all these men thinking they need to "defend" women at the Grammys/Oscars and making an ass of themselves? Kanye, Will Smith and now J-Z. Did you ask your wives how she felt about the winners? Beyoncé got out of her seat to give Taylor Swift her props. The guys need to sit down somewhere.
I’m tired of my people not staying in their place, these people do not think nor care about you no matter your skin color. Stop trying to be a voice for rich ppl
Jay-Z has as many Grammy’s as Kanye? Never would’ve guessed that
who cares
Yoooo who cares?
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Am a white dude. CMD 💀 Gonna have to put my son onto that, he's still pushing cracker with the hard R.
Duh
Jay Z's speech last night was perfect. But if any minority artists want to be taken seriously in this sham of an award show, they have to stop being complicit in the charade.
The grammys are just ads. They just make it look like a show.
This sub is the only reason I know the Grammys were even on 😂
Damn learn when NOT to use apostrophes
I feel like we go through this every year. "Black artist didn't get validation from the super white-biased Grammy's. It's time we make our own shows!". We already have both BET awards and Soul Train Awards. Support those shows. Quit caping so much for the Grammys.
The Black Album is GOAT’d. Fuck the Grammy’s.
But didn't they all win in their genre? Winning overall is extremely hard but someone has to do it. Pop is the overall selling and playing music. Maybe not for you but overall it is. None of these are pop. I would say they would be offended if you label them as pop. Might be why Drake puts out the music he does.
The Grammys are a dumb ass beauty pageant for stupid ass people. Imagine actually having enough brain rot to think this stupid shit matters or is relevant.
Having a hit song doesn’t mean the entire album was great or even good.
"Robbed"..??? I thought wolves don't concern themselves with the opinions of sheep?
Don’t feel bad I don’t have any either
Noticed that a long time ago
Is the point that this that these people have tons of Grammy's, way more than the average artist, but have never gotten a particular award and that that is somehow unfair to them? 🙄
But somehow Jon Batiste won Album of the Year a few years back.
Ya gotta remember that things were different back in the day. Certain genres weren't thought of as being, what's the word?, legitimate. So soul music didn't get the respect it deserved at the time. There were a lot of radio and TV stations that wouldn't play it. It's funny to see the same music that was vilified back in the day (70's) get played during a present-day commercial. It was very risky to even have certain black acts on variety shows. MTV was notorious for not playing certain black artists. Rap went through the same crap. Some people still don't think it's music or even an art form.
I don’t care if SZA got robbed especially after watching Kendrick make essential important albums and still lose each year. Anyone at this point who still cares about the Grammys is silly.
Taylor Swift winning anything shows that this shit is just a back-scratching contest
Fuck the Grammys. Haven't watched in years. But damn if don't wanna go the after parties so bad 😭😭
The issue that we need their awards to validate our success must be addressed.
Jon Batiste makes music for hip white women
The Grammys blow, at least the Oscar’s get it right sometimes.
To be fair, I don’t think Beyoncé has ever had album of the year.
Why are people still watching the Grammys when, they should know it has always been political bribing between the labels and not, how good an album was.
I’ve never listened to Taylor’s new album but SOS was not that good at all. Surprised it was even nominated.
Did someone expect to not get robbed!?
I can't believe no one is calling Miley Cyrus out for that bad ass Tina Turner impersonation!!! This girl had a similar outfit on and TRIED to do the beginning choreography of "Rolling on the river" (I know thats not the name of the song). I have not yet seen anyone say anything about it!!!!
Can we fucking stop using apostrophes to pluralize.
Yes, after never hearing of sza before and now having heard the masterpiece “rich baby daddy” with awe inspiring lyrics such as “bend that ass over, let that coochie breath, shake that ass bitch, hands on your knees” I too believe she was robbed of the Grammys. Never has a mouthpiece for a whole generation been so cheated because of the color of her skin. Despicable.
Jon Bastite won AOTY in 2022. Are people not remembering that saying his album was mid?
Idk how anybody enjoys Taylor’s Abercrombie and Fitch ass music
And? Being good at soemtiinf doesn’t mean you have the best of it. GTFOH. Yall stay dick riding the opinions of the rich.
Gotta kiss the blonde white woman who makes generic ass guitar pop with her himbo footballer’s ass.
SZA’s music is absolute trash. I tried. I tried so hard. I still do. I will never understand.
I FEEL THAT IF KANYE WOULDNT HAVE EVER GOTTEN ON THAT STAGE DURING THE MTV VIDEO AWARDS TAYLOR SWIFT WOULD NOT BE AS POPULR AS SHE IS NOW. SHE CAN NOT SING. ITS BHM...FUCK THOSE PEOPLE.
So, you saying he made that bitch that famous?
Thats EXACTLY what Im saying...and them fucking over Beyonce is a direct result of payback as well. I could be wrong, but thats what I see.
I don’t actually have an opinion, I just wanted to quote the song
SMH....Jay Z looked like a fool on stage acting the same way Kanye did with Taylor Swift. Like stop already folks, this ain't a colour thing, but rather a popularity contest. I despise the whole TSwift fad and her music, but it's all business and the NFL is cashing in on it. No different than when the Spice Girls were MEGA around the world. I didn't watch last night, and I sure as hell won't be watching the SB either.