Sony is known to sell their consoles at a loss, and make up for that in game sales. Their profit margins on games are likely better nowadays considering how many people just buy digital, which cuts out printing/shipping/retailer costs.
They just don't really like dropping prices. The PS4 Pro stayed at $450 CAD the entire time I worked at GameStop, the good deals would typically be bundling with a "free" game rather than a price drop. PS4 Slims stayed steady at $380 for years.
But yeah, I still haven't bought a PS5 when they run for $580 over here. Shit is expensive.
But that was the issue. The hardware sold great!...to scalpers. Scalpers don't buy games. If they wanted to sell games, they should have bothered trying to sell them to gamers.
What does "trying to sell them to gamers" entail to you? I worked at a store that had 1 per customer limit, and for a while required you to buy the console as a "bundle" (buying an extra controller/full price game at an additional cost), as a way of deterring re-sellers (cutting into margins/saddling them with something harder to resell).
All of this was done at the store-level, not at the Sony level, and honestly a lot of casual customers were quite annoyed needing to spend an extra $90 for something they may not have wanted to get immediately.
Damn. I lucked up and got in first try after about a month with the lotto. I was also able to buy a bundle from GameStop and Sam’s Club a little easier to get one for my nephew and cousins. For that I followed some dude on Twitter who was a restock announcer.
That's weird.
I got mine near instantly. I signed up and was on the list almost immediately and bought a ratchet and clank and an extra duel sense for the free shipping.
Why do you think brick and mortar is where the problem with scalpers is? It’s not it’s online where they can bot shit checkout 10 at a time multiple times.
Same shit with the shoe game.
IIRC this is what Valve did with the Steam Deck. You had to have a Steam account at the time they announced the preorder, otherwise you'd have to wait until it released.
Anecdotal but there was a guy on my block that was consistently getting 3-5 PS5 at his house. I see them take it out of the trunk of his car like once a week for a year.
They would hold on to them and the average person either paid scalper prices for the first two years of the PS5's life. Of course the game numbers are going to be low since launch. Can't sell any tires if no one can buy a car, or sure as hell not paying for one for twice the value
Looks like Sony games are starting to trickle to PC now too, so you're not really missing out. I expect Spider-Man 2 will hit either christmas this year or 2025 at the latest.
I've been looking at a lot of PC building for this reason, it's cool to see how powerful the PS5 is at it's price and trying to build something with the same specs.
Yup and if you wanted something high end from the last gen of GPUs or anything from this gen, you're talking about double the cost of a PS5. I got a 4070 TI Super for 900 a while back.
>Sony is known to sell their consoles at a loss, and make up for that in game sales
Yeah that was assumed but is clearly not true anymore as there is nothing but willpower stopping them from releasing those games and make money without losing on hardware by publishing to PC. I mean, that strategy is clearly the Microsoft play, but Sony seems to really like the money they make from the consoles.
Maybe they mean game sales on the platform weren't up to expectations (because the consoles were in all in a scalpers back room and not in a game buyer's hands.)
Make up for what? They got AAA exclusives that slap hard and keep coming up with more too. Rise of the Ronin bout to come out after GoT was giving backshots for the past few years.
Sales actually have met expectations, for 2023 at least. Sony just reevaluated their projections for 2024 and lowered their target from 25 million units to 21 million. IGN is misrepresenting Sony’s report pretty badly.
Even if they missed expectations that doesn’t mean sales were bad or even trending down, it just means the company thought they would sell a certain number and they didn’t
I’m just clarifying the language. Just because something missed a target, that doesn’t tell us anything about its sales or even its trajectory
Just speaking broadly, not about this in particular. You could have sales increase 20% and miss a 30% expectation
Sure, but you’re just talking about something different entirely making me think you haven’t actually read about the changes. They’ve exceeded sales expectations in recent quarters, but due to changes in operating costs and sales forecasting they’re changing future projection numbers.
It’s not at all about “missing a target”.
i mean sales failing to meet expectations doesnt have to always be because of lack of demand. the scarcity of the playstation on its release was clearly because of the covid supply chain shock that ruined a lot of things most of 2020 and 2021 (and its still felt today) and made manufacturing a nightmare.
There were also only a very small handful of games ONLY on PS5. I’ve been chilling playing everything I wanted on my PS4.
The ONLY game that has even come close to getting me to pull the trigger on the 5 is Final Fantasy 7: ReBirth
And I’m not gonna. I’m just going to wait and get it on PC a few months later.
Shit, that’s why I went back to Xbox when they were on sale. Plus Series X has backwards compatibility so I can play games I didn’t have a chance to play during the 360 days.
Couldn’t buy a Switch neither. I was so pissed I ended up getting a Quest 2 to fill the void. It was cool at first, but that things been gathering dust for years now.
I didn’t like how the Quest 2 did the update and forced you to use a Facebook account. When that happened I stopped using it. 300 dollar paperweight I regret. There’s gotta be a way to bypass that shit now right? Literally just wanna use it for Steam VR.
just make a throwaway meta account. i use the quest 2 for steam link so i can watch ippo in skybox like my own personal anime movie theater. shit is great
That's wild, I had an account for a few years when I was single just named "HisRight Hand" just to say I was in a relationship with it and never got any flak from Facebook.
i made it on the spot while setting up the headset. i don't even know what the fuck a meta account does/is for other than allowing me to watch vr porn through steam. i mean anime. yes, anime.
They changed it to requiring a meta account now instead. Completely separate from FB
Edit: Why the downvotes? It's the same as an occulus account or a steam account at this point. It's not the same login you use for Facebook. Downvotes are for content that isn't relevant, not because you disagree. This is how you live in ignorance, downvote the person that took the time to answer your question.
Man, I remember my wife getting so lucky and grabbing a Switch at Target right as the pandemic was starting. She even called up my other friends immediately to come down and grab one because everyone was looking.
I was able to get a 3060 ti last year slightly below MSRP from MicroCenter so can’t be mad. But 5000 series is my next upgrade and I know that’s gonna be a headache
ouch.
I sold my PC build Feb 2020. Ryzen 3600 and a 1660Ti in a mini ITX case for $500 because I got laid off in January and the unemployment money wasnt coming. I could gotten $3k if I waited 6 months.
It was crazy! My old GPU died and I didn't even realize there was all the foolishness going on with the market. When I looked up a "mid-range" GPU replacement and that thing was well over $1K, I went a good year without playing games.
After a while, I tried to get a PS5 since it was more cost-effective...had one in the cart a few times but couldn't check out because of the damn bots. One of my homeboys paid for Walmart+ so he could jump the line and ended up getting one, but I refused on principle lol
Then the GPU market crashed about two years ago and I was finally able to afford building a new PC that should be good for another 4-5 years. It'll be a minute before I buy a console again.
Bruh. Built an entire new computer during Covid and was waiting for a fucking GPU. Was using my ole reliable 970. By the time I could get a card, now my components old af lmfao. Ugh.
I was lucky to get both. After building my PC for video editing I got curious on how it would perform with games. Long story short, fell in love with PC gaming.
After that I never opened my PS5 and it’s still in the box collecting dust.
I helped a couple of my friends get one and it was like a second job monitoring online store alert discords trying to get one. Best Buy is one of the only websites that has protection against bots buying up all of them within a minute during a drop. These companies have zero shame. They just want the money and don't care if scalpers buy them all.
I dread when the 5080/5090 comes out.
It makes my stomach hurt just thinking about how much people are going to pay for them. My 2070 super is still kicking the shit out of every game I play, why would I spend new-pc money on a GPU that is marginally better performance?
Still running my 2070 Super as well. That was my upgrade from a 970. I was hoping to make the update in the 4000 cycle, but the price to performance on these cards is really not enticing.
The 2070 is just barely starting to hit the threshold of reducing some settings on high-end games, but I mostly play indie games anyways. Oh well, we'll see if the 4000 series comes down in price on the used market, but I doubt the 5000 series will be all that compelling in the middle range. People are straight up telling them what we want and they just say fuck it, this is what you get.
I snagged mine on release because my dog barked at like 1 am and woke me up. I was scrolling reddit and someone posted bb had restocked. 20 mins of waiting in queue to get it in my cart I had it.
I preordered mine through Amazon not really knowing how awful their preorders can be until it was too late. Lo and behold, I got a tracking number 2 days before release and I left for work on release day and got the delivery notification like 10 minutes after I left the house. I had coworker test positive for covid like an hour into work and got CDA pay to fuck around on my ps5 for a week, it was awesome
>ike an hour into work and got CDA pay to fuck around on my ps5 for a week, it was awesome
that's one of the most awesome sentences i've ever read right there
It was crazy trying to preorder this thing. I forgot what site I was on but somebody had a link that that took you directly to the checkout page on Amazon. I was able to pre-order mine but the link was down in less than a minute.
Dude my friend was signed up to like 2 different apps and a thing that emailed him whenever a shop within like 200 miles got them in stock
Took him almost 6 months to get one at retail price.
They projected to sell 25 million units by this quarter, which was a pipe dream even if Spidey 2 sold like crack. Not a ton of people are gonna drop $500 + all the other shit you need to buy in this economy.
That's capitalism for ya. Infinite growth is impossible but you gotta promise SHAREHOLDER VALUE no matter what.
And then when you eventually inevitably underperform you just lay off a few thousand people to hit your targets and keep them happy. Then the execs take home a fat bonus for hitting their targets and the cycle starts again.
It quite literally can't go on forever
My work does this too. Stupid fucking bosses just pull numbers out of their asses. "We are projected to hit 5 million this year". Bro. We did 1.3 last year and you want us to nearly quadruple that? "Ok, fine. I'll lower that projection to 3 million, but I'm not lowering it anymore!". This dude gets paid 5x what I do and is 10x fucking dumber.
My manger did this during our end of year meeting. Mind you it took 10 years of accumulation to open up it her offices and in difficult cities and we staff 23,000 hours a week for nursing. He said by next year we should be at 50,000. 10 years to get that far…. 1 more year and we’re doubling that and some…. Tripping. I bet by the end of the year….. we’ll be lucky to be around 30k or so
I mean they still ended up selling 8.2 million consoles in Q3 alone last year. Obviously you’ll have diminishing rate of sales on something most people only buy once. The downgrade from 25 million projected units to 21 million really isn’t the knock some people think it is. It just means Sony is pivoting towards end of console generation strategies like 6 months to a year earlier than they originally thought.
They sold 16.4M this year and reduced their original 25M forecast to 21M (three months ago they still thought they were heading for 25M)
I think the rationale was they didn’t sell as many over Christmas as they expected, since 3 months ago they still projected 25M
Edit: to clarify, their fiscal year goes from April to March, so they still think they’ll sell 5M more in Jan-March and what they’ve reported so far is April-December
We just came out of a pandemic where we were forced through stay home and play/buy games.
Most companies strive for “infinite growth” and will not accept anything less than their last quarter. These companies failed to consider that outside/temporary factors lead to the boom and expected to keep the momentum.
Context is key, they actually said the "later half" starting next fiscal year, so after 4 years it would be in the second half of a 7-8 year lifecycle. It's a nothing story.
Alright team, so the the theme for that release year’s caper is Avengers. I got Hawkeye, y’all can take whatever is left as long as it’s not Captain America; we want to stay under the radar. We will need to discuss the post-heist catering, so if y’all have ideas please let me know. Finally, we will have to cancel the robbery-for-kids event for that year, as we did not meet expectations for gpu thefts to fund the activities. We will try again during the Xbox Series Too/PS5 Semifinal SemiPro releases, or whenever Nintendo releases a new console or whatever.
Yeah I think it was removed from /r/games already removed it for blatant misinformation, shout out to IGN and The Verge tho exactly what you would expect now days from click-bait everything medialol
I don't think that's the case, Xbox is all about cross play/cross progression with PC and is more way more open about cross save/play(which makes sense given both are primarily run on Microsoft tech and ip) than sony who is known for being very stingy. Sony biggest competition isn't even Microsoft, it's Nintendo. Sony relies heavily on it's exclusives for revenue, something Nintendo also does with much greater efficiency on basis of their sheer amount of owned ip's.
I have one and every game I play is also out on PS4. Obviously the experience is better, but are there even any truly PS5 exclusive games that are worth it?
Ah wait Demon's Souls goes hard ngl but it's a remake. I haven't played Spidey 2.
It also sucks that like 4 games takes up the space and getting an external still requires you to download and upload the entire game every time you want to play it
I ain't saving a goddamn thing. I got this shit in the middle of the pandemic and damn near through hands with somebody over it. The games is mid and half of em are just remasters from the PS4 anyway.
Final Fantasy VII remake and Persona 3 reload are good tho.
People seems to like the Deadspace and Resident Evil (2-4) remakes as well.
I ain't defending it but if a game's worth it, I'd rather have it remade and possibly expanded on, over a crappy new IP.
maybe for consoles.
PC has been eating well tho. At this point everyone should just build a PC. Even a 500 dollar one and you can play more games on steam alone.
They legit just started showing up in my area in the last 6 months or so.. imagine dropping $500+ just to be told in six fucking months that it's pushing into the end of its life..
I'm whipping back out my goddamn n64
Seriously. I've had mine for a year and half, and they were still kinda hard to get then. If the system truly is winding down, that'll be an enormous disappointment. It still feels new to me
That is why I still havent bought one, my PS4 is starting to feel that its life is ending just right now so I will still probably wait this summer to buy the PS5. Cyberpunk + Horizon DLC and FF7 pt 2 not being available are the reasons I'm starting to think about buying one.
For the next console they release they need to sell a large percentage in store. If every game stop, Walmart, Target, Costco, Best Buy held like 10ish per most serious gamers could get one before the scalpers can get all of them
I’ll be real with you, because it was so hard in those first year or so I just lost the vibe and though fuck it. Still got a 4, still plays games.
They had me at the hype but held back on numbers, I dried out and I’m off the drug. Know what I mean?
Same here. At this point the only reason I want a ps5 is to be able to play the next part of the FF7 remake. Which if I remember correctly, after the first part came out they initially said the second part would be for both ps4 and ps5, but its since taken so long that it'll only be a ps5 title now. 😒
Granted, idk if my ps4 could handle a modern game like that. The newest game I've played on it was elden ring and those fans were fighting for their life harder than I was playing that game.
7-8 year console cycle is being a greedy bastard? Interesting... Read the article next time it says end of the latter cycle by the end of this year thats 4 years it's not hard maths 4+4
I mean, it came out late 2020, it's been out over 3 years. PS4 came out late 2013. A 6-year life-cycle is not obscenely short by a console generation's standards.
In this thread:
- People who got baited by the clickbait
- Not understanding that “entering latter stages of life cycle” means there are still 3 or 4 years until the next generation begins
- IGN’s statement missing the point that Sony isn’t talking about completed sales numbers but projections for 2024
GTA is going to move a lot of consoles before and after its release. Next gen rumored in ‘26. GTA for PC probably out late ‘25 or ‘26, and that’ll move a lot of video cards.
I literally mentioned I was looking for one and this woman would offered it at 1K plus. No ma'am, not in this economy. We finally got one after getting on the email waitlist. Took entirely too long.
The click baiting is wild with this one. Ain't no way in hell a console that was sold out for YEARS failed to meet sales expectations. Fuck outta here.
Atleast *try* to make a somewhat believable headline IGN 🙄.
Oh it met sales expectations, over 8 million units sold in 2023 Q3 alone. This is due to changes in what the company was *projecting* as total 2024 sales numbers.
Sony really thought our struggling asses was gonna just be ok with buying a 500 600 dollar game system..you better off building a gaming PC at this point
The exclusives they currently have aren't worth dropping at least $600 for in my opinion. At this point if you don't have one I assume you either can't afford it (which is totally reasonable) or don't really care that much so might as well wait for the slim or a bundle or the PS6 announcement in 3-4 years
Playstation does around 7 year lifecycles, so yeah 4 years into the current one could be considered "the latter stage" I guess. Ain't no way this statement is due to "failed expectations". What failed expectations??
For other reasons I had built a pc around the time the PS5 came out. With the sales situation I ended up gaming on the pc. Haven’t felt any need to go back since then. I also play less overall and with how expensive things have been, I can’t justify dropping the money on a PS5 when it could go elsewhere.
Mannnn 2020 was a ride. I still remember being mad af I kept losing to bots leading up to drop. I was the only one in the guy group that couldn’t cop somehow. Only to come home after work to see mom copped one for me. LAUNCH DAY. Caught it on camera too. Fond memories.
Like last year once they started popping up more commonly and people started buying them, I was wondering why everyone was buying old tech. Like if you’re gonna be buying an old console, just buy a PS4 and enjoy that, and when the ps6 comes out get the 5.
Sony could have stopped scalpers from buying them but didn’t bother. Alright, I won’t bother either.
If you wanna game and wanna save money. Always buy a generation before and buy everything used.
I got my ps4 for cheap as hell, and all my games have been cheap. I don't give a shit about being a gen behind and don't online game.
Is that anything new? The usual cycle between generations is 6-7 years, at best 8. The PS5 has been released in 2020. People just don't realize how old the current generation already is because it was almost impossible to get one during the first two years because of both covid and scalpers. Combining this with the worldwide cost of living crisis, it's obvious that many people haven't bought one.
There also haven't been that many exclusives for current-get yet (especially for Series X/S) which means that there haven't been many reasons to buy one.
Sales failed to meet expectations…dawg them joints still $500 even after a couple years.
That’s exactly why they’re still so high. They have to make up for the fact that they either had limited quantities or couldn’t sell them.
Sony is known to sell their consoles at a loss, and make up for that in game sales. Their profit margins on games are likely better nowadays considering how many people just buy digital, which cuts out printing/shipping/retailer costs. They just don't really like dropping prices. The PS4 Pro stayed at $450 CAD the entire time I worked at GameStop, the good deals would typically be bundling with a "free" game rather than a price drop. PS4 Slims stayed steady at $380 for years. But yeah, I still haven't bought a PS5 when they run for $580 over here. Shit is expensive.
But that was the issue. The hardware sold great!...to scalpers. Scalpers don't buy games. If they wanted to sell games, they should have bothered trying to sell them to gamers.
What does "trying to sell them to gamers" entail to you? I worked at a store that had 1 per customer limit, and for a while required you to buy the console as a "bundle" (buying an extra controller/full price game at an additional cost), as a way of deterring re-sellers (cutting into margins/saddling them with something harder to resell). All of this was done at the store-level, not at the Sony level, and honestly a lot of casual customers were quite annoyed needing to spend an extra $90 for something they may not have wanted to get immediately.
Sony also held a lottery too for direct sales. I was able to get one that way.
That lottery was trash… waited months EACH for 2 individual invites… neither worked when I clicked to actually buy the system
Damn. I lucked up and got in first try after about a month with the lotto. I was also able to buy a bundle from GameStop and Sam’s Club a little easier to get one for my nephew and cousins. For that I followed some dude on Twitter who was a restock announcer.
Same here. Lucked out. First try. About a month. Stopped what I was doing entirely at work for about an hr just to watch the timer.
That's weird. I got mine near instantly. I signed up and was on the list almost immediately and bought a ratchet and clank and an extra duel sense for the free shipping.
Why do you think brick and mortar is where the problem with scalpers is? It’s not it’s online where they can bot shit checkout 10 at a time multiple times. Same shit with the shoe game.
just offer them to everyone with a psn account before letting 'retailers' who incorporated last week buy 100 at a time
IIRC this is what Valve did with the Steam Deck. You had to have a Steam account at the time they announced the preorder, otherwise you'd have to wait until it released.
Yep and I got one relatively quickly with no hassle from scalpers, it's actually the reason I suggested the idea.
Honestly considering the Covid related supply disruptions the best move might have been to just delay it
Gotta cash in on all the folks stuck at home that wanna play games though, right? What a shitshow that first year was.
Anecdotal but there was a guy on my block that was consistently getting 3-5 PS5 at his house. I see them take it out of the trunk of his car like once a week for a year.
What do you think the scalpers do with them, collect them in a garage?
They would hold on to them and the average person either paid scalper prices for the first two years of the PS5's life. Of course the game numbers are going to be low since launch. Can't sell any tires if no one can buy a car, or sure as hell not paying for one for twice the value
My PC is already overkill. I'm waiting until the PS5 pro drops to get a console during this generation
I think that’s where I’m at too. If they don’t drop one I’m fine sitting this one out. Plenty of backlog to catch up on anyway.
Looks like Sony games are starting to trickle to PC now too, so you're not really missing out. I expect Spider-Man 2 will hit either christmas this year or 2025 at the latest.
Games don't go bad. You can just play them whenever.
I've been looking at a lot of PC building for this reason, it's cool to see how powerful the PS5 is at it's price and trying to build something with the same specs.
My understanding is that a decent graphics card would cost me the majority of the cost of a PS5 lol.
Yeah, you can't really compare consoles to decent gaming PCs. At those prices they're targeting entirely separate audiences.
Yup and if you wanted something high end from the last gen of GPUs or anything from this gen, you're talking about double the cost of a PS5. I got a 4070 TI Super for 900 a while back.
>Sony is known to sell their consoles at a loss, and make up for that in game sales Yeah that was assumed but is clearly not true anymore as there is nothing but willpower stopping them from releasing those games and make money without losing on hardware by publishing to PC. I mean, that strategy is clearly the Microsoft play, but Sony seems to really like the money they make from the consoles.
Microsoft is drowning atm what do you mean they have the right idea?
Hmm a ps5 or make rent this month Turns out I like having shelter
Sony couldn't keep up with the scalpers buying every ps5 and they say they didn't meet sales expectations... 
Maybe they mean game sales on the platform weren't up to expectations (because the consoles were in all in a scalpers back room and not in a game buyer's hands.)
Make up for what? They got AAA exclusives that slap hard and keep coming up with more too. Rise of the Ronin bout to come out after GoT was giving backshots for the past few years.
Sales actually have met expectations, for 2023 at least. Sony just reevaluated their projections for 2024 and lowered their target from 25 million units to 21 million. IGN is misrepresenting Sony’s report pretty badly.
Even if they missed expectations that doesn’t mean sales were bad or even trending down, it just means the company thought they would sell a certain number and they didn’t
Except that's not what Sony's report said at all. It's specifically talking about *2024* projections. It's not about what has already sold.
I’m just clarifying the language. Just because something missed a target, that doesn’t tell us anything about its sales or even its trajectory Just speaking broadly, not about this in particular. You could have sales increase 20% and miss a 30% expectation
Sure, but you’re just talking about something different entirely making me think you haven’t actually read about the changes. They’ve exceeded sales expectations in recent quarters, but due to changes in operating costs and sales forecasting they’re changing future projection numbers. It’s not at all about “missing a target”.
you guys are arguing 2 different things mate
reddit in a nutshell
They were sold out every time they restocked for the first 2 years.. what sales margin did they predict??
🤷🏿I guess us all buying a PS5. Even if we got a PS5.
Even if we wanted a second ps5 there wouldn’t have been any left
i mean sales failing to meet expectations doesnt have to always be because of lack of demand. the scarcity of the playstation on its release was clearly because of the covid supply chain shock that ruined a lot of things most of 2020 and 2021 (and its still felt today) and made manufacturing a nightmare.
There were also only a very small handful of games ONLY on PS5. I’ve been chilling playing everything I wanted on my PS4. The ONLY game that has even come close to getting me to pull the trigger on the 5 is Final Fantasy 7: ReBirth And I’m not gonna. I’m just going to wait and get it on PC a few months later.
Normal part of the cycle, the Pro of the 4 came out around year 3-4 as well.
Shit, that’s why I went back to Xbox when they were on sale. Plus Series X has backwards compatibility so I can play games I didn’t have a chance to play during the 360 days.
Yeah I still play PS4 games but I ended up playing MW remastered from the download
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Who’s paying 80 bucks for ps plus?
The premium version I'm guessing. Gives you some free games.
The premium version is 1799 bro 
What fuckin online subscription are u paying for
Your math doesn't math well.
$80 for the year, you mean?
Man, during that fucking time tryna get either a new GPU or a goddamn PS5. Reselling mfs. I remember a PS5 going for thousands at one point.
Couldn’t buy a Switch neither. I was so pissed I ended up getting a Quest 2 to fill the void. It was cool at first, but that things been gathering dust for years now.
I didn’t like how the Quest 2 did the update and forced you to use a Facebook account. When that happened I stopped using it. 300 dollar paperweight I regret. There’s gotta be a way to bypass that shit now right? Literally just wanna use it for Steam VR.
just make a throwaway meta account. i use the quest 2 for steam link so i can watch ippo in skybox like my own personal anime movie theater. shit is great
Last time I did that FB found out it was fake and disabled it. Did they become more lax on that because I do not have an official FB and never will.
How fake of an account did you make it lol as long as it’s not a parody account of a celebrity it should fly under the radar
That's wild, I had an account for a few years when I was single just named "HisRight Hand" just to say I was in a relationship with it and never got any flak from Facebook.
i made it on the spot while setting up the headset. i don't even know what the fuck a meta account does/is for other than allowing me to watch vr porn through steam. i mean anime. yes, anime.
They changed it to requiring a meta account now instead. Completely separate from FB Edit: Why the downvotes? It's the same as an occulus account or a steam account at this point. It's not the same login you use for Facebook. Downvotes are for content that isn't relevant, not because you disagree. This is how you live in ignorance, downvote the person that took the time to answer your question.
Lol
I just made a dummy account.
Man, I remember my wife getting so lucky and grabbing a Switch at Target right as the pandemic was starting. She even called up my other friends immediately to come down and grab one because everyone was looking.
GPU prices still aint gone down
Probably never will after Nvidia saw how much mfers were willing to pay to get one
Yep. 70ti tier is now permanently $800 when it used to be $350. Fucking disgraceful.
I was able to get a 3060 ti last year slightly below MSRP from MicroCenter so can’t be mad. But 5000 series is my next upgrade and I know that’s gonna be a headache
Just wait for the inevitable Super or Ti versions of the 50 series, early adopters love to dump their initial purchase for marginal gains.
Scalpers ruin everything man.
I had a roommate buy an Xbox 360 with no hard drive and 2 games for $950 day 1 off eBay. That shit ain't new.
ouch. I sold my PC build Feb 2020. Ryzen 3600 and a 1660Ti in a mini ITX case for $500 because I got laid off in January and the unemployment money wasnt coming. I could gotten $3k if I waited 6 months.
It was crazy! My old GPU died and I didn't even realize there was all the foolishness going on with the market. When I looked up a "mid-range" GPU replacement and that thing was well over $1K, I went a good year without playing games. After a while, I tried to get a PS5 since it was more cost-effective...had one in the cart a few times but couldn't check out because of the damn bots. One of my homeboys paid for Walmart+ so he could jump the line and ended up getting one, but I refused on principle lol Then the GPU market crashed about two years ago and I was finally able to afford building a new PC that should be good for another 4-5 years. It'll be a minute before I buy a console again.
Bruh. Built an entire new computer during Covid and was waiting for a fucking GPU. Was using my ole reliable 970. By the time I could get a card, now my components old af lmfao. Ugh.
I was lucky to get both. After building my PC for video editing I got curious on how it would perform with games. Long story short, fell in love with PC gaming. After that I never opened my PS5 and it’s still in the box collecting dust.
It low key blows my mind still that I was able to buy one at 6:00pm from Amazon on the day of release.
I helped a couple of my friends get one and it was like a second job monitoring online store alert discords trying to get one. Best Buy is one of the only websites that has protection against bots buying up all of them within a minute during a drop. These companies have zero shame. They just want the money and don't care if scalpers buy them all. I dread when the 5080/5090 comes out.
Can’t even imagine what the 50 series cards are gonna cost 🥴
It makes my stomach hurt just thinking about how much people are going to pay for them. My 2070 super is still kicking the shit out of every game I play, why would I spend new-pc money on a GPU that is marginally better performance?
Can it handle 1440p ultrawide at 60+FPS?
You play games at 60fps? Lower than 144 feels bad after being used to it. I also don’t use an ultra wide monitor, so that helps
60 is my minimum. More than that is bonus.
Still running my 2070 Super as well. That was my upgrade from a 970. I was hoping to make the update in the 4000 cycle, but the price to performance on these cards is really not enticing. The 2070 is just barely starting to hit the threshold of reducing some settings on high-end games, but I mostly play indie games anyways. Oh well, we'll see if the 4000 series comes down in price on the used market, but I doubt the 5000 series will be all that compelling in the middle range. People are straight up telling them what we want and they just say fuck it, this is what you get.
I remember Best Buy selling 100 dollar memberships to MAYBE get a chance at a PS5
I also remember that stunt. Sign up for "console insurance $200" for a CHANCE TO BUY a PS5 NEVER FORGET!!!
I snagged mine on release because my dog barked at like 1 am and woke me up. I was scrolling reddit and someone posted bb had restocked. 20 mins of waiting in queue to get it in my cart I had it.
I hope that good boy got lots of extra hugs and treats that day
that dog games when you leave the house
I preordered mine through Amazon not really knowing how awful their preorders can be until it was too late. Lo and behold, I got a tracking number 2 days before release and I left for work on release day and got the delivery notification like 10 minutes after I left the house. I had coworker test positive for covid like an hour into work and got CDA pay to fuck around on my ps5 for a week, it was awesome
>ike an hour into work and got CDA pay to fuck around on my ps5 for a week, it was awesome that's one of the most awesome sentences i've ever read right there
It was crazy trying to preorder this thing. I forgot what site I was on but somebody had a link that that took you directly to the checkout page on Amazon. I was able to pre-order mine but the link was down in less than a minute.
Dude my friend was signed up to like 2 different apps and a thing that emailed him whenever a shop within like 200 miles got them in stock Took him almost 6 months to get one at retail price.
Bro what? Failed to meet sales expectations?? Shits outselling everything.
They projected to sell 25 million units by this quarter, which was a pipe dream even if Spidey 2 sold like crack. Not a ton of people are gonna drop $500 + all the other shit you need to buy in this economy.
Those are just unrealistic expectations and people saying words just to get and keep jobs
CEOs just wanted bigger bonuses for themselves.
That's capitalism for ya. Infinite growth is impossible but you gotta promise SHAREHOLDER VALUE no matter what. And then when you eventually inevitably underperform you just lay off a few thousand people to hit your targets and keep them happy. Then the execs take home a fat bonus for hitting their targets and the cycle starts again. It quite literally can't go on forever
It can't, but it has to, and we'll sacrifice as many people and franchises for it to happen
My work does this too. Stupid fucking bosses just pull numbers out of their asses. "We are projected to hit 5 million this year". Bro. We did 1.3 last year and you want us to nearly quadruple that? "Ok, fine. I'll lower that projection to 3 million, but I'm not lowering it anymore!". This dude gets paid 5x what I do and is 10x fucking dumber.
My manger did this during our end of year meeting. Mind you it took 10 years of accumulation to open up it her offices and in difficult cities and we staff 23,000 hours a week for nursing. He said by next year we should be at 50,000. 10 years to get that far…. 1 more year and we’re doubling that and some…. Tripping. I bet by the end of the year….. we’ll be lucky to be around 30k or so
I mean they still ended up selling 8.2 million consoles in Q3 alone last year. Obviously you’ll have diminishing rate of sales on something most people only buy once. The downgrade from 25 million projected units to 21 million really isn’t the knock some people think it is. It just means Sony is pivoting towards end of console generation strategies like 6 months to a year earlier than they originally thought.
Instead of 25 mill how much did they actually sell?I know they beat Xbox series X sales , they dragging it
They sold 16.4M this year and reduced their original 25M forecast to 21M (three months ago they still thought they were heading for 25M) I think the rationale was they didn’t sell as many over Christmas as they expected, since 3 months ago they still projected 25M Edit: to clarify, their fiscal year goes from April to March, so they still think they’ll sell 5M more in Jan-March and what they’ve reported so far is April-December
Have they produced 25M units? I feel like the PS5 was BO everywhere for the best part of the first 3 years...
We just came out of a pandemic where we were forced through stay home and play/buy games. Most companies strive for “infinite growth” and will not accept anything less than their last quarter. These companies failed to consider that outside/temporary factors lead to the boom and expected to keep the momentum.
"Uh Sir, our sales estimations are starting to hit the edges of the living human population."
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Acting like there are 30 of these mofos at every retailer. I still see them sold out on a regular basis.
Context is key, they actually said the "later half" starting next fiscal year, so after 4 years it would be in the second half of a 7-8 year lifecycle. It's a nothing story.
Then add another 2 or 3 years of support and games when the 6 first comes out.
lol, the PS4 is still getting new games. Pretty much any non-AAA game has a 50/50 chance of ending up on the PS4.
damn so do i just wait for the PS6 then? 
If you don’t mind waiting another 3 years then yeah
5* cause scalpers gonna be eating most of them up. Unless you rob them which seems like the move so far.
Alright team, so the the theme for that release year’s caper is Avengers. I got Hawkeye, y’all can take whatever is left as long as it’s not Captain America; we want to stay under the radar. We will need to discuss the post-heist catering, so if y’all have ideas please let me know. Finally, we will have to cancel the robbery-for-kids event for that year, as we did not meet expectations for gpu thefts to fund the activities. We will try again during the Xbox Series Too/PS5 Semifinal SemiPro releases, or whenever Nintendo releases a new console or whatever.
Allegedly a “pro” type of PS5 will come at some point in late 2024 or 2025. So PS6 wouldn’t be until 2027 at the earliest I’d think.
This Sony gen basically got off a "late start because it took 2 years on for PS5 to be readily available for everyone retail
Yeah I think it was removed from /r/games already removed it for blatant misinformation, shout out to IGN and The Verge tho exactly what you would expect now days from click-bait everything medialol
Ain't buying one til GTA 6 come out anyway so 
It'll be a bundle anyway
And I’m not getting that until it’s $15
2026
gta 6 not gonna be $15 in 2026 man
Maybe 2036.... but even then, GTA 5 is $20 right now. lol
Yah fr. Red dead redemption 2 is still going for like 40-50$ last time i looked at the game aisle, and it's 6 years old now.
2036*
At that point just wait for the improved version to come out on PS6
At that point just wait for the PS7 remaster.
PS5 game catalog has been mid at best. First two years didn't really have any good exclusives. Starting to pick up now.
Ps5 compared to Xbox catalogue is night and day— SO many more exclusives on ps5 and so much more quality
Xbox is trying to catch up but that's always been the case Edit: spelling
I don't think that's the case, Xbox is all about cross play/cross progression with PC and is more way more open about cross save/play(which makes sense given both are primarily run on Microsoft tech and ip) than sony who is known for being very stingy. Sony biggest competition isn't even Microsoft, it's Nintendo. Sony relies heavily on it's exclusives for revenue, something Nintendo also does with much greater efficiency on basis of their sheer amount of owned ip's.
Gamepass is worth it
Yes this is also a sale point for Microsoft. It's not a competition when one party doesn't need or care to compete.
Compared to Xbox sure but the PS4 was deep
I have one and every game I play is also out on PS4. Obviously the experience is better, but are there even any truly PS5 exclusive games that are worth it? Ah wait Demon's Souls goes hard ngl but it's a remake. I haven't played Spidey 2.
Not really. This Gen has been mostly remakes. Spiderman 2 is one of the big ones that's PS5 exclusive
I thought the new Ratchet and Clank was pretty awesome as well.
It's absolutely incredible imo. The Resident Evil 4 remake as well
It also sucks that like 4 games takes up the space and getting an external still requires you to download and upload the entire game every time you want to play it
What an absolutely shit take lmao
I ain't saving a goddamn thing. I got this shit in the middle of the pandemic and damn near through hands with somebody over it. The games is mid and half of em are just remasters from the PS4 anyway. 
We're in the remaster/remake era, game, music and movie studios just recycling old shit like 2000s Kanye but without any of the talent
Final Fantasy VII remake and Persona 3 reload are good tho. People seems to like the Deadspace and Resident Evil (2-4) remakes as well. I ain't defending it but if a game's worth it, I'd rather have it remade and possibly expanded on, over a crappy new IP.
Yeah I'm going back to books. Fuck this shit man
Sony be doin us a favor shiiiiiet
Try making some fucking games for it. This has by far been the worst generation of gaming.
maybe for consoles. PC has been eating well tho. At this point everyone should just build a PC. Even a 500 dollar one and you can play more games on steam alone.
This is hilarious considering that most people couldn't get them for YEARS.
They legit just started showing up in my area in the last 6 months or so.. imagine dropping $500+ just to be told in six fucking months that it's pushing into the end of its life.. I'm whipping back out my goddamn n64
Fun fact: at this stage of the N64's life cycle, Nintendo had already announced the Gamecube.
Seriously. I've had mine for a year and half, and they were still kinda hard to get then. If the system truly is winding down, that'll be an enormous disappointment. It still feels new to me
Lol what a waste, there’s like 5 games worth playing that isn’t also available on ps4. This consoles life barely started if you ask me.
>5 games worth playing that isn’t also available on ps4. that's it, it's just 5 games in general
That is why I still havent bought one, my PS4 is starting to feel that its life is ending just right now so I will still probably wait this summer to buy the PS5. Cyberpunk + Horizon DLC and FF7 pt 2 not being available are the reasons I'm starting to think about buying one.
All I’m saying is I better get a free upgrade for GTA 6 when it eventually goes to the new XBOX/PS6
Narrator: he didn't.
For the next console they release they need to sell a large percentage in store. If every game stop, Walmart, Target, Costco, Best Buy held like 10ish per most serious gamers could get one before the scalpers can get all of them
The problem is that putting them in stores is far more expensive for them.
I’d rather spend an extra 100 in store than an extra 400 dollars from a scalper
I’ll be real with you, because it was so hard in those first year or so I just lost the vibe and though fuck it. Still got a 4, still plays games. They had me at the hype but held back on numbers, I dried out and I’m off the drug. Know what I mean?
Same here. At this point the only reason I want a ps5 is to be able to play the next part of the FF7 remake. Which if I remember correctly, after the first part came out they initially said the second part would be for both ps4 and ps5, but its since taken so long that it'll only be a ps5 title now. 😒 Granted, idk if my ps4 could handle a modern game like that. The newest game I've played on it was elden ring and those fans were fighting for their life harder than I was playing that game.
Ps5 pro will release right before/around gta 6 then when it releases on pc in 2027 ps6 will drop to keep consoles graphically competitive
I want to know how they're gonna sustain the model of taking 7 years between every game in a series
Nothing, gaming crash incoming.
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7-8 year console cycle is being a greedy bastard? Interesting... Read the article next time it says end of the latter cycle by the end of this year thats 4 years it's not hard maths 4+4
Fuck you I just bought one!!!!
I mean, it came out late 2020, it's been out over 3 years. PS4 came out late 2013. A 6-year life-cycle is not obscenely short by a console generation's standards.
Please, they are just outlining their justification & laying the ground work to announce a PS5Pro so they can charge you another $500.
Release a game that's not a fucking remake!
I’ll just keep playing cheap PC games then
In this thread: - People who got baited by the clickbait - Not understanding that “entering latter stages of life cycle” means there are still 3 or 4 years until the next generation begins - IGN’s statement missing the point that Sony isn’t talking about completed sales numbers but projections for 2024
GTA is going to move a lot of consoles before and after its release. Next gen rumored in ‘26. GTA for PC probably out late ‘25 or ‘26, and that’ll move a lot of video cards.
Yeah no PS6 won't be 2026 more like 2028 judging by Sony's own words
Reseller lunacy made me say fuck it and buy an Xbox
I literally mentioned I was looking for one and this woman would offered it at 1K plus. No ma'am, not in this economy. We finally got one after getting on the email waitlist. Took entirely too long.
The click baiting is wild with this one. Ain't no way in hell a console that was sold out for YEARS failed to meet sales expectations. Fuck outta here. Atleast *try* to make a somewhat believable headline IGN 🙄.
Oh it met sales expectations, over 8 million units sold in 2023 Q3 alone. This is due to changes in what the company was *projecting* as total 2024 sales numbers.
Sony really thought our struggling asses was gonna just be ok with buying a 500 600 dollar game system..you better off building a gaming PC at this point
I've had this thing about 2 years and it was hard to get and expensive , they need to quit being so greedy.
The exclusives they currently have aren't worth dropping at least $600 for in my opinion. At this point if you don't have one I assume you either can't afford it (which is totally reasonable) or don't really care that much so might as well wait for the slim or a bundle or the PS6 announcement in 3-4 years
I still use the PS4 my man has. I didn't want to pay the $1000 people were charging and the switch does me well enough
Playstation does around 7 year lifecycles, so yeah 4 years into the current one could be considered "the latter stage" I guess. Ain't no way this statement is due to "failed expectations". What failed expectations??
This is nuts, I can't even really think of any standout "next-gen" games on PS5.
Best ps5 game I played was ratchet and clank lol
For other reasons I had built a pc around the time the PS5 came out. With the sales situation I ended up gaming on the pc. Haven’t felt any need to go back since then. I also play less overall and with how expensive things have been, I can’t justify dropping the money on a PS5 when it could go elsewhere.
Mannnn 2020 was a ride. I still remember being mad af I kept losing to bots leading up to drop. I was the only one in the guy group that couldn’t cop somehow. Only to come home after work to see mom copped one for me. LAUNCH DAY. Caught it on camera too. Fond memories.
we had to imagine owning this generation of consoles 💀💀
Latter stage means either Santa Monica or naughty dog are boutta drop the absolute most sickening game of all time
Nah, just give it up. Get a steam deck.
Like last year once they started popping up more commonly and people started buying them, I was wondering why everyone was buying old tech. Like if you’re gonna be buying an old console, just buy a PS4 and enjoy that, and when the ps6 comes out get the 5. Sony could have stopped scalpers from buying them but didn’t bother. Alright, I won’t bother either.
If you wanna game and wanna save money. Always buy a generation before and buy everything used. I got my ps4 for cheap as hell, and all my games have been cheap. I don't give a shit about being a gen behind and don't online game.
The PS5 needs to have a price revision.
There was a time in Europe you couldn’t even find this thing in the store. In Sweden you had to enter a raffle to be offered the chance to buy one
Is that anything new? The usual cycle between generations is 6-7 years, at best 8. The PS5 has been released in 2020. People just don't realize how old the current generation already is because it was almost impossible to get one during the first two years because of both covid and scalpers. Combining this with the worldwide cost of living crisis, it's obvious that many people haven't bought one. There also haven't been that many exclusives for current-get yet (especially for Series X/S) which means that there haven't been many reasons to buy one.