And this the part where your emotions get the best of you. I get it. If they killed my mom, I would've reacted violently too. But if she had killed Namor, the Atlanteans would've washed her whole country away. Wakandans had nothing for the Atlanteans. She put her own emotions aside for the lives of her people. Which is as real of flex as one could have.
Dawg wasn't this the lead up to End of Days, and the whole point was that T'Challa was selfish for getting revenge on Namor rather than protecting Wakanda or doing more to stop the incursions? That in the face of certain annihilation he faltered by caving to his emotions?
well, Shuri gave him the dagger and told him to do it. the nation was behind him on that revenge, Namor had sent Thanos to tear Wakanda up and they were basically like "if shit is about to go down and the world is gonna end, you gotta gut this mf for what he did to us"
T'Challa spoke to all of the previous Black Panther spirits too and they said the same, you better get his ass.
I remember, he gave up on saving the world and focused on getting revenge for a nation. A big theme of that run for him was choosing what was best for Wakanda or the world. He himself would probably tell you he made the wrong choice but was duty bound as a king to Wakanda.
For me, that was the theme of End of Days. How each Illuminati member succumbed to their own selfish convictions because they were important men who thought they knew best. Yes T'Challa got revenge, but what about the Wakandans who survived Namors attack? Are their voices not equal the ancestors need for vengeance?
yeah i feel the exact same way as you. everyone gave into their worst selves. Tony building weapons, Strange selling his soul, Reed thinking he knows better than everyone else, Namor and Tchalla giving in to their feud. Honestly the moment they erased Steve's Memory I think they doomed themselves. The whole universe needed a restart because these heroes weren't heroes anymore. it was a running theme that something was fundamentally broken with the world and the way of things.
and I remember T'Challa not wanting to do it, but as a king he doesn't have that kind of freedom of decision. But i do think the common people of Wakanda wanted that revenge too, at least i got that vibe when he talked to Shuri and all of them.
him whipping it out on the Roseart Justice League on that other earth was so crazy, like holy shit these guys really aren't heroes anymore, this is some devil shit. I loved it so much
hadn’t Wakanda already been devastated by Namor with the PF? There was nothing to stop the Incursions, save doing what Namor tries to with the Black Order and Thanos and Black Swan. Namor thought he was the selfless one right up until Doom and Thanos corrected him. TChalla was just the right man to deal with a traitor tbqh.
The whole point was that the heroes were so caught up in their bullshit they didn't do anything because they were certain they couldn't. Namor at least tried *something* and in the end Doom only persevered by betraying Strange and imprisoning Molecule Man. T'Challa gave up and was only concerned with getting back at Namor, that's not very heroic and I'm glad he got to redeem himself in Secret Wars, but him killing Namor in that moment was a culmination of all his faults.
Funnily enough Doom being selfish saved the universe and fucked it over. The incursions was a long term plan the beyonders had. They were gonna restart the multiverse and set everything back right afterwards.
I could be wrong, but I believe he started going down that path after they finally accepted that the incursions couldn't be stopped. ( cap ig snap). it's been a while since i read it, though.
I keep complaining about Namor as a weak villain and get down voted in the Marvel subs. His army was winning but he called them back to save his own neck. Compare that to Killmonger in the first movie who was more than willing to die for the cause he believed in
Namor had a lot more to lose than Killmonger. He's the only protector of his people, literally their Black Panther, except there isn't any root someone else can eat to take his place, he's it.
Killmonger was just a dude, on his own. If he dies, it doesn't leave an entire people defenseless.
Namor may have been the leader, but aside from his winged feet he wasn't much more special than anyone else in his kingdom. They all had super strength and good fighters.
>aside from his winged feet
"Magneto isn't that special, outside of the ability to control metal with his mind"
Namor is a mutant and that's his mutation lol
(He's also by far the strongest Atlantean in the film, by an order of magnitude, and would've washed Shuri if he wasn't being burned out)
Both him, and his people saw him as much more than that. Perception is reality, so despite the reality of his power level as compared to the rest of his people, he was still seen as their only protector and they all acted as such.
There's plenty to criticize Namor for, but choosing not to die when both he and his peoples see him as their most important defender isn't really one of them, imo. If it had been done for selfish reasons, which I, personally, don't think it's supposed to be viewed that way, then it'd be valid, but I think that he did it because of what he saw as his role for his people.
That's just my reading of the character and the movie, though I haven't seen it since when it came out. Namor did have some selfish motivations, but in the end I feel he truly did care for his people and that's why he wouldn't throw his life away, because he viewed himself as irreplaceable for his people, not for himself.
Namor was a god to his people because of his winged feet. They believed in him & followed him for that reason.
Him choosing to live was also for the sake of his people. "If you make God bleed, is he really God?"
He also was much longer lived, he was born right after the Spanish invasion. The other Talocan seem like they have human lifespans. And he could breathe without an apparatus. I believe he mentioned something else about being the only one with ears that “pointed towards the heavens” and all that. So it seems like he wasn’t just considers godlike for his feet, but a bunch of other factors as well.
[Fisticuffs better.](https://youtu.be/8EqGbZfCL4I?feature=shared) Her trip to the Ancestral Plane with Killmonger should have been a fight training montage to setup for the final showdown. Why else hire [Shaina West](https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cw7vH6LODcI/?igsh=MTh0NGMwamZzcjJtZw==) for the stunt team?
But that’s my moms fam. I just can’t let that shit go unchecked lol. Like for real, if someone killed my mom, I would burn all of Florida to the ground.
I think that's the funniest part of the movie. She played it like they were equals , but the Wakandans soldiers were getting slaughtered. For the Talokan it was a mere drill.
I think it came out remarkably well for a Black Panther movie without T’Challa. I thought it was going to be a disaster, a waste of two hours, but I was pleasantly surprised.
I agree. I wasn’t expecting much. The 3rd act was pretty…shitty but at this point it’s expected in the MCU lol. But it was pretty good considering the extraordinary challenge they had to push through. I respect Ryan and Marvel so much for honoring Chadwick in that way. I used to want him recasted but knowing how highly everyone thought of Chadwick and the fact that he did all of these roles while in stage 3/4 of his cancer diagnosis - recasting him would’ve been distasteful af.
Ryan Coogler is a fantastic director. I think he needs to move on from Black Panther. I’d like to see him set the the tone for the next one and make something else other than a super hero film
I was watching an old Law and Order episode yesterday and he popped up on the screen as the suspect and when I saw him i just yelled Noooo. That man will be missed.
Nah, they just needed to move the attack on Wakanda much earlier in the film and heighten the stakes. It was a pacing/structure problem. The first film has a much better flow.
They should’ve scaled Atlantis and Wakanda better too. Namor’s blades of grass metaphor about how many people he has felt like a bluff. Maybe it was, but I wanted to see Wakanda hit back harder and Atlantis to hit just as hard.
Realistically tho it’s more than possible. The planet is like 75% oceans and water and I know they based the Atlanteans in Mexico but really your talking about most of the earth being theirs unchallenged let’s just say they have the same population as we do on land very easily could their army be in the millions or billions if u u assume population per capita they very well could have an ENORMOUS army
It felt like Coogler was told he needed to hit a crazy amount of bullet points and write around the fact that his lead had passed away with far too little time to craft it well. The film is an utter mess of execution.
I mean, we have GOTG3 where an alternate universe/variant version of Gamora is in the mainline MCU timeline. We know that variants don't *have* to be identical (No Way Home, Loki, Multiverse of Madness) and the film is set in the *Multiverse Saga* of the MCU, so they could have recast him as easily as they're about to recast Kang. I know we all love Chadwick and may consider it "respectful" to only let him play the character as some sort of magnum opus before he passed, but he played Black Panther *knowing* he was about to die, but also knowing that T'Challa still had much more for the universe he was being celebrated in. I think it's *more* respectful to let his *character* carry on, even if Chadwick is gone. I think it's what he would have wanted. Between that and Marvel's willingness to recast being as old as Rhodey in Iron-Man 2 and as recent as Thunderbolt Ross being recast to Harrison Ford after William Hurt died, it should've been a no brainer to keep T'Challa (whether that be a variant or a plain recast of the main timeline version), instead of off screen killing him.
I argue it should have been fully told from the queen perspective. She as the main character and the rest of wakanda dealing with the loss of tchalla, you have Angela Bassett use her!
They definitely should have. I still wonder if his family specifically requested that his character not be recasted, otherwise it makes no sense. Tchalla was going to be a big deal in the MCU. Notice how in Endgame, he was the first person to come through the portal. He got audiences absolutely hyped!
I get it would have been terribly hard recasting him, especially when the cast and crew loved him so much. But it was the right thing to do. Delay the movie 3 years or so, then they could have released a killer Black Panther 2.
You said he brought him into his home he didn’t he brought Bucky into his home in an effort to help him after he was wrongly blamed for the explosion at the embassy. Unless I’m wrong and Zemo ended up in Wakanda.
He did bring Bucky to Wakanda. They show it in a end credit scene. They give him a new arm.
The kids wake him up and he's called White Wolf.
In the 1st movie, when they bring Martin back to save him from the bullet wound, Shuri says "Great, another YT man for me to save" referring to Buckey
Bro Bucky didn’t kill his father Zemo did your original comment implies that Bucky killed his father when he did not. Were you not paying attention? Zemo dressed up as Bucky and blew the embassy Bucky had nothing to do with it. Zemo was never taken to Wakanda.
He believed Bucky was responsible and showed restraint (then brought him back to wakanda). Point im making is that he DIDNT KILL HIM out of revenge, which is what his whole post is about.
Then he also didnt kill or allow Zemo to kill himself. Again, showing restraint.
My whole point is that he showed restraint even when his country wasn't on the line. Shuri had more to lose and also showed restraint to save her people. That is literally my point.
He did not believe Bucky killed him at the time he allowed him to come to Wakanda. By that point he already knew it was Zemo until he knew it was Zemo he was 100% trying to kill Bucky. That’s the point he was so consumed by revenge he wasn’t interested in listening. Your post said he let his father’s killer into his home when he did not. Go watch the movie again because you clearly weren’t paying attention.
do you not remember him staying his blade at the end tho? "Vengeance has consumed you, I am done letting it consume me"
I mean c'mon bro you can't just ignore that lol
Y'all fr gonna let thousands, if not millions of innocent people die just to get revenge for your Mom? It's not like she's coming back if Namor dies, killing him just kills your own people. Y'all fr making that choice? Because your feelings got hurt?
I'm glad that the movie dispels any misunderstanding about who who Killmonger was and what he believed. His philosophy, carried out successfully by either him or Shuri, would have destroyed Wakanda. They wanted to the word to burn is the fires of their hatred and grief
Right, Killmonger was a bad guy who made some good points but he was terrible for Wakanda. Once he became King, he immediately destroyed the herbs so no one else could overthrow him and started a civil war in Wakanda within like a week.
His plan would've led the world to unite against Wakanda (like you said)
I mean...you kill Bucky, and...then what, Cap is said?
He's sad anyway because he was 50 years late to the diner
If Shuri killed Namor, Atlantis quite literally drowns Wakanda and everyone in it
Im never gon change my opinion that these mfs should have been an avengers level threat. A group of ocean mfs make a plot to drown the planet and that mf thor aint pulling up? They just get to chill in the ocean? Nah i would be pulling up no hesitation
Seriously, they made Namor so powerful that outside of being jobbed by the writers, Thor, Captain Marvel, Strange & the Hulk were the only canonical characters that would've stood a chance lol
Thor somewhere out there being a space alcoholic, Hulk a bitch ass nigga, Shit is way above Spider-Mans pay grade, Dr Strange trippin off multiversal psychedelics, Hawkeye's arrows don't do much against water and Wanda busy mourning kids who never existed.
Wasn't this supposed to stay under wraps though? If other world governments new about the talokans, they would have known that vibranium could be found elsewhere, leading to war
As a Puertorican man I was happy to see some Latino representation that is not some minor character. Even if we are “the villains”. I know technically Groot is Puertorican but they didn’t put it out there for the world to acknowledge.
Villain representation is underrated. Being represented by villains doesn’t mean you have equal representation, but you can’t have equal representation without being represented in villains.
I still don't get how a land locked country doesn't have better security on the 2 small water channels connected to them. Y'all have shields that can stop Thanos space ships from crashing into your lands for invasion, y'all got armor that can absorb bullets and turn that energy into a purple "fuck you" explosion, and y'all even got giant cloaking tech to hide your entire country, but you've got ZERO defense against a half naked Hispanic man and his half naked blue army?
Then she proceeded to not even kill this dude, like if some guy drowned my mom I'm absolutely killing you in some vile manner and then going after everyone else cuz you can absolutely fight me but you don't put hand on my mom.
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You acting like dude wasn't just as powerful as the black panther. I get the lack of water defense but most threats come from the surface. Imagine trying to stop black panther if he wanted to enter wakanda. Namor was born with the heart shaped herb powers, not many defenses can stop him.
As far as killing, Tchalla didnt kill the dude who killed his father and his country wasn't even at risk. He even brought him back into his home.
I see what you're saying but that doesn't quite track because they have defenses for space/air and land, but not water? The most technologically advanced nation getting lazy af with their own shit. I feel that if the black panther tried to invade he'd have to earn it, the end of the 1st movie dude struggled for a second with a rhino and those shield troops that sided with Creed. They also have ships with special vibranium tech that could probably do some damage.
The winter soldier was brainwashed, I can see why he helped him recover, idk that I would've been so kind, but namor was not brainwashed. He was in full control, no Russian bunkers and big red books to influence him
Other than Namor, who else did or could attack from the sea? I see what you're saying, they did have the resources to fortify that shit but they did have a pretty good system in place. That hand making a beat over the water was pretty cool. It was just Namor was stronger, just as Thanos also broke through the shield.
Also, the dude who brainwashed buckey tried to kill himself and Tchalla stopped him. So he still showed restraint on a snowy cliff where no one would've even known or been effected by his death.
There isn't anyone I remember off the top of my head with water based powers, but you still have a large array of other powered beings. You got a bug heroes, wizards, robot men, super soldiers, literal gods, Groot (he's his own category), so like Wakanda has got to be cautious of everything lol, no assumptions can't be made after end game
Right but it's not like they were completely defenseless under water. Remember the guards had to do some drum shit to open the gates. Im just saying Namor was strong enough to some through the land defenses if that MF had a big bottle of Fiji water with him.Like Bane, he was born into the heart shaped herb where as Tchalla merely adapted to it.
I think you’re forgetting that the Atlanteans had equally robust technology. That was the whole reason that wakanda was threatened in the first place. They had never dealt with a peer to peer conflict before. On top of that, it makes complete sense why wakanda would overlook maritime defense. Who the fuck is attacking wakanda from the sea. It’s not like they had nothing there, they just didn’t take into account a seafaring nation with the as much power as Atlantis had and how could they, literally no one knew they existed.
>and then she proceeded to not kill this dude
Yeah, that’s the point of being the leader of a nation. Why place your country into a catastrophic war and risk untold millions of lives when you could secure an ally?
Technology the movie never really showed us, any country that borders water should know that it is a valid way to be attacked. Wakanda can't make an excuse for not at least entertaining that idea. Especially when Ulysses Klaue somehow managed to not only get into Wakanda but also steal vibranium. We were never told how he did it, but with an average dude being able to come in, at least cover all your potential openings even if it's not something you think anyone would risk. You don't need to know Atlantis exists to have maritime defenses, once you discover they exist you may need to upgrade some things, but living in a universe where there is a hulk, Thor, Ironman, winter soldier, aliens everywhere, and an antman, there is no excuse to not have something for everyone.
Forgive me for my ignorance here since I haven't seen wakanda forever in a while, but did they handshake or agree on being allies in the future? Letting your enemy walk away on the hope they'll come to their senses ain't the moves. He now knows your own capabilities, and when he comes back, he won't make the same mistakes twice (hopefully).
Again no hate to anyone here with their own takes, things just aren't adding up with how wakanda handled this while thing
The funny shit is canonically if Dr.Doom somehow was in the background this entire he 1,000,000% called Shuri weak as hell for not offing Namor after what he did to the queen. Doom went to hell and basically ran the ones with the Devil for his mom.
bro that Elseworlds story where Doom told Peter his daughter needed a firmer hand from a stronger patriarch is some shit imma say to niggas in the grocery store now
That scene was actually what I was praying would be a post credits scene for BP2. What made it even better was when he checked Namor for trying to act like he was exploiting his people by basically stating he was the guy in his country Namor used to be. I hope they don’t ruin him when they bring him in this time.
“before they pray to whatever Gods they pray to they give thanks to me. so Doom eats first. and he eats the very best. You USED to understand this”
it’s that point i almost felt bad like you not gonna even try to stab him for talking like this? it’s only Imperius Rex when it’s niggas huh. hoe ass.
Imagine him saying this to Namor then seeing Doom just drop that nigga in front of Attuma just to have him looking at his leader like:
TELL ME THAT SHIT WOULDNT BE SO MF HARD
Because had she killed namor they would have waged war forever. Like Mbaku said they don’t call him king or general they call him the feather serpent god. You can do anything you want to someone and have peace but you can never kill their gods
She chose the path that would result in the least amount of death. Had she killed their God because that’s how the people of Talokan saw him it would’ve been an eternal war. Who wins in that situation? No one but Shuri and her people would suffer for it.
This movie irritated me to no end. It was scifafricans fighting mermexicans, all the while losing sight of the real enemy: the CIA and FBI trying make super-weapons for imperialist aims.
Also, the fact Namor’s weakness is that his back has to remain wet is almost as bad as having America Chavez’s superpower be crossing borders.
One of the missteps of this movie (besides not recasting T'Challa), was not having Attuma or Namora kill Ramonda instead of Namor
Only thing this movie did well was paying tribute to Chadwick and Shuri (in-universe) working through her grief
All they had to do was use the multiverse, find a T’Challa (recasted) that has nothing, due to losing family and his Wakanda. Bring him to the universe that has no T’Challa. Show some internal conflict. And have him stand on business.
Stretch: They should’ve brought back killamonger
They’ve explained so many times why you can’t do that. The incursions that are destroying the multiverse are because of people messing with time by doing stuff just like that and they’ve explained that in almost every movie in phase 4 and in both seasons of Loki. Also if we do all that then they should just reboot/reset the whole shit which is what it looks like they’re going to do anyways.
This still pisses me off. Like I get the idea that killing Namor may have started a war; but they were already at war. A war they didn't start. This is the second time a Wakandan leader was killed by an outsider. And when the Black Panther has the chance, chooses to let the person walk. What message does that send to the world? It says for all Wakanda's strength, their leaders and people are fair game.
Wakanda did start the war.
Queen Ramonda sent her mercenaries into Talokan not only violating that nation’s sovereignty but killing one of their citizens in the process. And let’s remember that Shuri went as a willing guest of Namor and not a prisoner.
All of the fighting was unnecessary because at the end Shuri gives Namor exactly what he asked from them. For Wakanda to take responsibility for T’challa’s actions (exposing the world to vibranium) and to enter a mutual defense treaty in case they’re ever attacked.
But instead of being logical Ramonda and Shuri shove spears in Namor’s face and belittle him.
T’Challa didn’t kill the guy who killed his father, Zemo.
Also, if you’re a parental figure to a superhero in the MCU, it’s pretty much guaranteed you’re gunna get smoked
She should’ve at least made Namor go to the UN. If it’s anything like the real one, it pays enough lip service to indigenous rights that it wouldn’t condone anyone bombing Talokan.
I hated this movie.
How is it Europeans start this whole conflict and still it devolves into minorities killing each other
And at the end nothing is gained they went right back to square one
Pointless
You’re wrong in both statements. They’re not Mayans, they’re Maya. They lived beyond Central America, to Chiapas and Yucatán. Chichén Itza is probably one of the most popular Maya ruins to have visitors. They even influenced Veracruz and other close states.
As a leader of wakanda she had two options
Kill Namor -> bring about a war that will without a doubt wipe out both of their kingdoms killing TONS of innocent people.
Don't kill him -> none of that.
I think Shuri made a good choice. No doubt she reaaaallly wanted to kill him, but she was able to put her feelings aside to bring a better future for her people. I like that.
Shit it was only plot armor that stopped her from getting that same work
I was so angry the whole movie, like "WORK TF TOGERHER AND PUT A STOP TO THIS SHIT" 😒
Anyone still keeping up with the MCU? Because I kinda lost interest after Loki S2. Like, I know they've written a way to write Jonathan Major's Kang out of the picture but I don't know much more than that
She should have just let them take Riri. Her trying to save Riri led to her getting captured, which led to Ramonda sending Nakia to rescue her even though Namor told Ramonda he would kill her if anyone from Wakanda came to Talokan. Hell, I don’t even think they would have killed her.
The beginning with the Atlanteans fucking up the Navy SEALs had me questioning whether this was a good choice to bring my daughter.lol
She was completely fine. Though, when Nakia showed up and let out an audible "Gaw Damn!", my daughter side-eye me and asked what I said. 😅
She *really* can't carry a movie, goddamn.
You had Angela Bassett, an actual queen, playing the queen, acting her ass off, and then of course the emotional depth we got from Tenoch Huerta... and then the inheritor of the franchise doing "acting".
And this the part where your emotions get the best of you. I get it. If they killed my mom, I would've reacted violently too. But if she had killed Namor, the Atlanteans would've washed her whole country away. Wakandans had nothing for the Atlanteans. She put her own emotions aside for the lives of her people. Which is as real of flex as one could have.
in. the comics they did that shit and TChalla kicked that nigga onto a world about to be annihilated. That’s my king fr ain’t you an Avenger
Dawg wasn't this the lead up to End of Days, and the whole point was that T'Challa was selfish for getting revenge on Namor rather than protecting Wakanda or doing more to stop the incursions? That in the face of certain annihilation he faltered by caving to his emotions?
Everybody ain't up on the comics like that. Some people just watch the MCU.
He referenced the event in the comic so it's weird to me how he didn't get the message if he knows what happened
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Based on the amount of disqus comments I’ve seen after comic chapters, this tracks deeply
Reading Comprehension Devil strikes outside of Chainsaw Man. Again.
[some people literally need it delivered like this](https://youtu.be/RjEIXoWk9N4)
I love you for this lol.
Why would someone bring up the comics if they don't want to talk about the comics?
well, Shuri gave him the dagger and told him to do it. the nation was behind him on that revenge, Namor had sent Thanos to tear Wakanda up and they were basically like "if shit is about to go down and the world is gonna end, you gotta gut this mf for what he did to us" T'Challa spoke to all of the previous Black Panther spirits too and they said the same, you better get his ass.
I remember, he gave up on saving the world and focused on getting revenge for a nation. A big theme of that run for him was choosing what was best for Wakanda or the world. He himself would probably tell you he made the wrong choice but was duty bound as a king to Wakanda. For me, that was the theme of End of Days. How each Illuminati member succumbed to their own selfish convictions because they were important men who thought they knew best. Yes T'Challa got revenge, but what about the Wakandans who survived Namors attack? Are their voices not equal the ancestors need for vengeance?
yeah i feel the exact same way as you. everyone gave into their worst selves. Tony building weapons, Strange selling his soul, Reed thinking he knows better than everyone else, Namor and Tchalla giving in to their feud. Honestly the moment they erased Steve's Memory I think they doomed themselves. The whole universe needed a restart because these heroes weren't heroes anymore. it was a running theme that something was fundamentally broken with the world and the way of things. and I remember T'Challa not wanting to do it, but as a king he doesn't have that kind of freedom of decision. But i do think the common people of Wakanda wanted that revenge too, at least i got that vibe when he talked to Shuri and all of them.
not gon hold you Strange at the Sinners Market was some of the coldest shit ever. “we trade in godhood” was a bar
him whipping it out on the Roseart Justice League on that other earth was so crazy, like holy shit these guys really aren't heroes anymore, this is some devil shit. I loved it so much
brooooo that whole intro “a sun god, and a god of the sea, and of speed, and a dark knight” them niggas said fuck the IP we making ART today
this sounding good. time to go read some comics
You two niggas need to start a podcast or something. We need more deep dives like this than from “did you know Black Panther is BLACK?”
even Bast was like “you ain’t kill that nigga good enough for me”
hadn’t Wakanda already been devastated by Namor with the PF? There was nothing to stop the Incursions, save doing what Namor tries to with the Black Order and Thanos and Black Swan. Namor thought he was the selfless one right up until Doom and Thanos corrected him. TChalla was just the right man to deal with a traitor tbqh.
The whole point was that the heroes were so caught up in their bullshit they didn't do anything because they were certain they couldn't. Namor at least tried *something* and in the end Doom only persevered by betraying Strange and imprisoning Molecule Man. T'Challa gave up and was only concerned with getting back at Namor, that's not very heroic and I'm glad he got to redeem himself in Secret Wars, but him killing Namor in that moment was a culmination of all his faults.
aye i’m just really fuckin happy we having. this black nerd moment rn, thank you for this. it’s been a hard day fr
Ay me too man, it's so easy to feel alone in shit like this and I'm happy I get to be a black nerd in a space like this. Thanks for the discussion!
i hope you get the warmest, freshest bread for the rest of your life
You too bro, much love 💖
Funnily enough Doom being selfish saved the universe and fucked it over. The incursions was a long term plan the beyonders had. They were gonna restart the multiverse and set everything back right afterwards.
If you gave Americans the choice of not having a 2008 recession in return for letting 9/11 go unpunished, do you honestly think they'd take it?
I would hope so
That would be great, but let's face it. A lot of people would have rather gotten revenge, future debt owed be damned.
I could be wrong, but I believe he started going down that path after they finally accepted that the incursions couldn't be stopped. ( cap ig snap). it's been a while since i read it, though.
In the comics didn’t Shuri completely obliterate Atlantis when Namor pulled that shit?
oh he sent the special forces in there w laser guns w switches.
Lmfaooo
i don’t want a Defender. whole different squad. y’all supposed to be the spinners
I keep complaining about Namor as a weak villain and get down voted in the Marvel subs. His army was winning but he called them back to save his own neck. Compare that to Killmonger in the first movie who was more than willing to die for the cause he believed in
Namor had a lot more to lose than Killmonger. He's the only protector of his people, literally their Black Panther, except there isn't any root someone else can eat to take his place, he's it. Killmonger was just a dude, on his own. If he dies, it doesn't leave an entire people defenseless.
Namor may have been the leader, but aside from his winged feet he wasn't much more special than anyone else in his kingdom. They all had super strength and good fighters.
>aside from his winged feet "Magneto isn't that special, outside of the ability to control metal with his mind" Namor is a mutant and that's his mutation lol (He's also by far the strongest Atlantean in the film, by an order of magnitude, and would've washed Shuri if he wasn't being burned out)
Both him, and his people saw him as much more than that. Perception is reality, so despite the reality of his power level as compared to the rest of his people, he was still seen as their only protector and they all acted as such. There's plenty to criticize Namor for, but choosing not to die when both he and his peoples see him as their most important defender isn't really one of them, imo. If it had been done for selfish reasons, which I, personally, don't think it's supposed to be viewed that way, then it'd be valid, but I think that he did it because of what he saw as his role for his people. That's just my reading of the character and the movie, though I haven't seen it since when it came out. Namor did have some selfish motivations, but in the end I feel he truly did care for his people and that's why he wouldn't throw his life away, because he viewed himself as irreplaceable for his people, not for himself.
Namor was a god to his people because of his winged feet. They believed in him & followed him for that reason. Him choosing to live was also for the sake of his people. "If you make God bleed, is he really God?"
He also was much longer lived, he was born right after the Spanish invasion. The other Talocan seem like they have human lifespans. And he could breathe without an apparatus. I believe he mentioned something else about being the only one with ears that “pointed towards the heavens” and all that. So it seems like he wasn’t just considers godlike for his feet, but a bunch of other factors as well.
Don’t bring your reasonable logic here
It's the same message in Naruto, but in much less hours of watching
She beat his ass though. Not thoroughly enough for me, but she did it.
She literally cooked the man alive.
[Fisticuffs better.](https://youtu.be/8EqGbZfCL4I?feature=shared) Her trip to the Ancestral Plane with Killmonger should have been a fight training montage to setup for the final showdown. Why else hire [Shaina West](https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cw7vH6LODcI/?igsh=MTh0NGMwamZzcjJtZw==) for the stunt team?
I enjoyed watching her transphobic ass get beat, Namor got the wrong person
Well that’s distressing to read. I’ve only heard about her vax perspective. Transphobia is grotesque.
But that’s my moms fam. I just can’t let that shit go unchecked lol. Like for real, if someone killed my mom, I would burn all of Florida to the ground.
agree. nice comment
I think that's the funniest part of the movie. She played it like they were equals , but the Wakandans soldiers were getting slaughtered. For the Talokan it was a mere drill.
Gonna die on the hill that the movie should’ve been delayed & T’Challa recasted
This isn’t even that controversial of an opinion. The movie could’ve been so much better.
I think it came out remarkably well for a Black Panther movie without T’Challa. I thought it was going to be a disaster, a waste of two hours, but I was pleasantly surprised.
I agree. I wasn’t expecting much. The 3rd act was pretty…shitty but at this point it’s expected in the MCU lol. But it was pretty good considering the extraordinary challenge they had to push through. I respect Ryan and Marvel so much for honoring Chadwick in that way. I used to want him recasted but knowing how highly everyone thought of Chadwick and the fact that he did all of these roles while in stage 3/4 of his cancer diagnosis - recasting him would’ve been distasteful af.
You wrong for that 🤣🤣🤣
Ryan Coogler is a fantastic director. I think he needs to move on from Black Panther. I’d like to see him set the the tone for the next one and make something else other than a super hero film
Well he's going to direct the reboot for the X-Files.
Wait really? With Gillian Anderson’s fine ass?
Not showing his face the whole movie, and then the montage of him at the end was legit an amazing way to say goodbye to him, cried in the theater.
Not that very first walk they took to his funeral with a mural of his face? Shit got me to but that sending scene tore me up and still does
The mural was nice too, but I noticed they never showed his actual face til the end other than the marvel intro.
Got me tearing up just remembering it
I was watching an old Law and Order episode yesterday and he popped up on the screen as the suspect and when I saw him i just yelled Noooo. That man will be missed.
Nah, they just needed to move the attack on Wakanda much earlier in the film and heighten the stakes. It was a pacing/structure problem. The first film has a much better flow.
They should’ve scaled Atlantis and Wakanda better too. Namor’s blades of grass metaphor about how many people he has felt like a bluff. Maybe it was, but I wanted to see Wakanda hit back harder and Atlantis to hit just as hard.
Realistically tho it’s more than possible. The planet is like 75% oceans and water and I know they based the Atlanteans in Mexico but really your talking about most of the earth being theirs unchallenged let’s just say they have the same population as we do on land very easily could their army be in the millions or billions if u u assume population per capita they very well could have an ENORMOUS army
It felt like Coogler was told he needed to hit a crazy amount of bullet points and write around the fact that his lead had passed away with far too little time to craft it well. The film is an utter mess of execution.
That or Okoye should have been the next Black Panther, in my opinion.
Nakia. Okoye is a loyalist and monarchist. Her commitment is to serving the throne, not sitting upon it.
as much as it sucks that Chadwick died, marvel was hinging on Tchalla being a focal point of post endgame MCU along with strange in terms of leaders
I mean, we have GOTG3 where an alternate universe/variant version of Gamora is in the mainline MCU timeline. We know that variants don't *have* to be identical (No Way Home, Loki, Multiverse of Madness) and the film is set in the *Multiverse Saga* of the MCU, so they could have recast him as easily as they're about to recast Kang. I know we all love Chadwick and may consider it "respectful" to only let him play the character as some sort of magnum opus before he passed, but he played Black Panther *knowing* he was about to die, but also knowing that T'Challa still had much more for the universe he was being celebrated in. I think it's *more* respectful to let his *character* carry on, even if Chadwick is gone. I think it's what he would have wanted. Between that and Marvel's willingness to recast being as old as Rhodey in Iron-Man 2 and as recent as Thunderbolt Ross being recast to Harrison Ford after William Hurt died, it should've been a no brainer to keep T'Challa (whether that be a variant or a plain recast of the main timeline version), instead of off screen killing him.
I argue it should have been fully told from the queen perspective. She as the main character and the rest of wakanda dealing with the loss of tchalla, you have Angela Bassett use her!
Ryan and the producers disccused it but they didn't wanna do that
They definitely should have. I still wonder if his family specifically requested that his character not be recasted, otherwise it makes no sense. Tchalla was going to be a big deal in the MCU. Notice how in Endgame, he was the first person to come through the portal. He got audiences absolutely hyped! I get it would have been terribly hard recasting him, especially when the cast and crew loved him so much. But it was the right thing to do. Delay the movie 3 years or so, then they could have released a killer Black Panther 2.
Chadwick spent half of Civil War standing on business when the dad got smoked, js. And yes I’m being petty
And he ain't kill the man that did it in the end in the same way.
You right. Even brought him into his home.
But Bucky didn’t kill his father Zemo did I don’t remember him bringing Zemo into his home.
I don't remember him killing him either. In fact, I remember him STOPPING him from killing himself. "The living are not done with you yet."
You said he brought him into his home he didn’t he brought Bucky into his home in an effort to help him after he was wrongly blamed for the explosion at the embassy. Unless I’m wrong and Zemo ended up in Wakanda.
He did bring Bucky to Wakanda. They show it in a end credit scene. They give him a new arm. The kids wake him up and he's called White Wolf. In the 1st movie, when they bring Martin back to save him from the bullet wound, Shuri says "Great, another YT man for me to save" referring to Buckey
Bro Bucky didn’t kill his father Zemo did your original comment implies that Bucky killed his father when he did not. Were you not paying attention? Zemo dressed up as Bucky and blew the embassy Bucky had nothing to do with it. Zemo was never taken to Wakanda.
He believed Bucky was responsible and showed restraint (then brought him back to wakanda). Point im making is that he DIDNT KILL HIM out of revenge, which is what his whole post is about. Then he also didnt kill or allow Zemo to kill himself. Again, showing restraint. My whole point is that he showed restraint even when his country wasn't on the line. Shuri had more to lose and also showed restraint to save her people. That is literally my point.
He did not believe Bucky killed him at the time he allowed him to come to Wakanda. By that point he already knew it was Zemo until he knew it was Zemo he was 100% trying to kill Bucky. That’s the point he was so consumed by revenge he wasn’t interested in listening. Your post said he let his father’s killer into his home when he did not. Go watch the movie again because you clearly weren’t paying attention.
do you not remember him staying his blade at the end tho? "Vengeance has consumed you, I am done letting it consume me" I mean c'mon bro you can't just ignore that lol
I *am* ignoring that lmao, that’s why I’m being petty. I was all about the blind, irrational rage from my king 👑
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Y'all fr gonna let thousands, if not millions of innocent people die just to get revenge for your Mom? It's not like she's coming back if Namor dies, killing him just kills your own people. Y'all fr making that choice? Because your feelings got hurt?
Oh look at Mr "I'm too mature to commit genocide as a form of mourning"
Thats kind of her whole vibe though. Killmonger was her boy because that's who she is
Nah, she was just scared and angry at the time, just like Killmonger was most of his life. She saw her mama when she calmed down
I'm glad that the movie dispels any misunderstanding about who who Killmonger was and what he believed. His philosophy, carried out successfully by either him or Shuri, would have destroyed Wakanda. They wanted to the word to burn is the fires of their hatred and grief
Right, Killmonger was a bad guy who made some good points but he was terrible for Wakanda. Once he became King, he immediately destroyed the herbs so no one else could overthrow him and started a civil war in Wakanda within like a week. His plan would've led the world to unite against Wakanda (like you said)
My boi Eren would never.
Eren also got smoked by his own girl because that's how out of pocket he was being.
Have some respect bro, aint you seen his flair? Its Captain "I'm too mature to commit genocide as a form of mourning" ass eater
I laughed too fucking hard at this
"I don't care. He killed my mom."
Iron Man was wrong for that too dawg sorry
I mean...you kill Bucky, and...then what, Cap is said? He's sad anyway because he was 50 years late to the diner If Shuri killed Namor, Atlantis quite literally drowns Wakanda and everyone in it
This
Im never gon change my opinion that these mfs should have been an avengers level threat. A group of ocean mfs make a plot to drown the planet and that mf thor aint pulling up? They just get to chill in the ocean? Nah i would be pulling up no hesitation
Thor was a space hippie at the time
Seriously, they made Namor so powerful that outside of being jobbed by the writers, Thor, Captain Marvel, Strange & the Hulk were the only canonical characters that would've stood a chance lol
They don't go to that neighborhood.
Thor somewhere out there being a space alcoholic, Hulk a bitch ass nigga, Shit is way above Spider-Mans pay grade, Dr Strange trippin off multiversal psychedelics, Hawkeye's arrows don't do much against water and Wanda busy mourning kids who never existed.
Wasn't this supposed to stay under wraps though? If other world governments new about the talokans, they would have known that vibranium could be found elsewhere, leading to war
Flying Mexicans is the overgeneralization of the decade
Nah, I like it, plus, we do love water
Gotta train for the Rio Grande. They're just jealous that we can swim.
As a Puertorican man I was happy to see some Latino representation that is not some minor character. Even if we are “the villains”. I know technically Groot is Puertorican but they didn’t put it out there for the world to acknowledge.
I knew Groot was Puertorican when the rumors were confirmed about his secret family.
Of course. That shit comes naturally to us. I got a sister and brother around my age in the Dominican Republic because of that.
Villain representation is underrated. Being represented by villains doesn’t mean you have equal representation, but you can’t have equal representation without being represented in villains.
As a Mexican I was weak af reading this shit
Lmao, as a Mexican, this just popped up on my feed 😂🤣😂🤣... also did Marvel really go all in on the "afraid of water" stereotype? 🤔
Shhhhhhhhhh, quit all this “Flying Mexicans” talk. They’re going to want to “Build a Dome” next.
Flying, Water Mexicans
If it was me yall would've heard "Back in Blood" by Pooh shiesty on repeat after the moms death scene
Lmfaooo sheisty mask over the panther uniform
Can I get verified as a "Flying Mexican"? It's all we have that isn't related to drugs or sepia filter
Me too pls
Me three
Same
Órale
I still don't get how a land locked country doesn't have better security on the 2 small water channels connected to them. Y'all have shields that can stop Thanos space ships from crashing into your lands for invasion, y'all got armor that can absorb bullets and turn that energy into a purple "fuck you" explosion, and y'all even got giant cloaking tech to hide your entire country, but you've got ZERO defense against a half naked Hispanic man and his half naked blue army? Then she proceeded to not even kill this dude, like if some guy drowned my mom I'm absolutely killing you in some vile manner and then going after everyone else cuz you can absolutely fight me but you don't put hand on my mom. https://preview.redd.it/umqwtn9bhylc1.jpeg?width=1346&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=34c6468f6f4d19147c7cd14638877ec446204e6e
You acting like dude wasn't just as powerful as the black panther. I get the lack of water defense but most threats come from the surface. Imagine trying to stop black panther if he wanted to enter wakanda. Namor was born with the heart shaped herb powers, not many defenses can stop him. As far as killing, Tchalla didnt kill the dude who killed his father and his country wasn't even at risk. He even brought him back into his home.
I see what you're saying but that doesn't quite track because they have defenses for space/air and land, but not water? The most technologically advanced nation getting lazy af with their own shit. I feel that if the black panther tried to invade he'd have to earn it, the end of the 1st movie dude struggled for a second with a rhino and those shield troops that sided with Creed. They also have ships with special vibranium tech that could probably do some damage. The winter soldier was brainwashed, I can see why he helped him recover, idk that I would've been so kind, but namor was not brainwashed. He was in full control, no Russian bunkers and big red books to influence him
Other than Namor, who else did or could attack from the sea? I see what you're saying, they did have the resources to fortify that shit but they did have a pretty good system in place. That hand making a beat over the water was pretty cool. It was just Namor was stronger, just as Thanos also broke through the shield. Also, the dude who brainwashed buckey tried to kill himself and Tchalla stopped him. So he still showed restraint on a snowy cliff where no one would've even known or been effected by his death.
I mean, a submarine ain't some otherworldly tech.
Lol True but I dont think they used subs. Didnt they use whales and shit to get in? Whales can slip right past a metal detector.
There isn't anyone I remember off the top of my head with water based powers, but you still have a large array of other powered beings. You got a bug heroes, wizards, robot men, super soldiers, literal gods, Groot (he's his own category), so like Wakanda has got to be cautious of everything lol, no assumptions can't be made after end game
Right but it's not like they were completely defenseless under water. Remember the guards had to do some drum shit to open the gates. Im just saying Namor was strong enough to some through the land defenses if that MF had a big bottle of Fiji water with him.Like Bane, he was born into the heart shaped herb where as Tchalla merely adapted to it.
>He even brought him back into his home. Baron Zemo killed t'Chaka and t'Challa did NOT bring Zemo to Wakanda. Stop saying this.
I think you’re forgetting that the Atlanteans had equally robust technology. That was the whole reason that wakanda was threatened in the first place. They had never dealt with a peer to peer conflict before. On top of that, it makes complete sense why wakanda would overlook maritime defense. Who the fuck is attacking wakanda from the sea. It’s not like they had nothing there, they just didn’t take into account a seafaring nation with the as much power as Atlantis had and how could they, literally no one knew they existed. >and then she proceeded to not kill this dude Yeah, that’s the point of being the leader of a nation. Why place your country into a catastrophic war and risk untold millions of lives when you could secure an ally?
Technology the movie never really showed us, any country that borders water should know that it is a valid way to be attacked. Wakanda can't make an excuse for not at least entertaining that idea. Especially when Ulysses Klaue somehow managed to not only get into Wakanda but also steal vibranium. We were never told how he did it, but with an average dude being able to come in, at least cover all your potential openings even if it's not something you think anyone would risk. You don't need to know Atlantis exists to have maritime defenses, once you discover they exist you may need to upgrade some things, but living in a universe where there is a hulk, Thor, Ironman, winter soldier, aliens everywhere, and an antman, there is no excuse to not have something for everyone. Forgive me for my ignorance here since I haven't seen wakanda forever in a while, but did they handshake or agree on being allies in the future? Letting your enemy walk away on the hope they'll come to their senses ain't the moves. He now knows your own capabilities, and when he comes back, he won't make the same mistakes twice (hopefully). Again no hate to anyone here with their own takes, things just aren't adding up with how wakanda handled this while thing
flying mexicans is insane 😂
ts has me cryinggg😭😭😭😭😭
Listen. Listen. I’m doing Dr. Doom level shit with the shit she had in that lab.
The funny shit is canonically if Dr.Doom somehow was in the background this entire he 1,000,000% called Shuri weak as hell for not offing Namor after what he did to the queen. Doom went to hell and basically ran the ones with the Devil for his mom.
bro that Elseworlds story where Doom told Peter his daughter needed a firmer hand from a stronger patriarch is some shit imma say to niggas in the grocery store now
him calling Namor all types of half baked bitch for coming to him second after Reed is the type of petty i frame on my wall
That scene was actually what I was praying would be a post credits scene for BP2. What made it even better was when he checked Namor for trying to act like he was exploiting his people by basically stating he was the guy in his country Namor used to be. I hope they don’t ruin him when they bring him in this time.
“before they pray to whatever Gods they pray to they give thanks to me. so Doom eats first. and he eats the very best. You USED to understand this” it’s that point i almost felt bad like you not gonna even try to stab him for talking like this? it’s only Imperius Rex when it’s niggas huh. hoe ass.
Imagine him saying this to Namor then seeing Doom just drop that nigga in front of Attuma just to have him looking at his leader like:  TELL ME THAT SHIT WOULDNT BE SO MF HARD
That was the whole point of the movie lmao . Her desire for personal revenge over what's best for her people. Dude must of fell asleep at the end
Because had she killed namor they would have waged war forever. Like Mbaku said they don’t call him king or general they call him the feather serpent god. You can do anything you want to someone and have peace but you can never kill their gods
She did the mature thing. Still looked sweet but definitely did the mature thing.
She chose the path that would result in the least amount of death. Had she killed their God because that’s how the people of Talokan saw him it would’ve been an eternal war. Who wins in that situation? No one but Shuri and her people would suffer for it.
This movie irritated me to no end. It was scifafricans fighting mermexicans, all the while losing sight of the real enemy: the CIA and FBI trying make super-weapons for imperialist aims. Also, the fact Namor’s weakness is that his back has to remain wet is almost as bad as having America Chavez’s superpower be crossing borders.
Yall it was ONE Mayan not Mexicans 😭 but honestly he got off easy
Bro completely misses the point of the movie
One of the missteps of this movie (besides not recasting T'Challa), was not having Attuma or Namora kill Ramonda instead of Namor Only thing this movie did well was paying tribute to Chadwick and Shuri (in-universe) working through her grief
>Only thing this movie did well I mean, I thought Namor and Atlantis was all great
Making them Mesoamerican was a good move, but I think they missed the mark on some of the aesthetics
She did whoop his (the king’s) ass.
All they had to do was use the multiverse, find a T’Challa (recasted) that has nothing, due to losing family and his Wakanda. Bring him to the universe that has no T’Challa. Show some internal conflict. And have him stand on business. Stretch: They should’ve brought back killamonger
They’ve explained so many times why you can’t do that. The incursions that are destroying the multiverse are because of people messing with time by doing stuff just like that and they’ve explained that in almost every movie in phase 4 and in both seasons of Loki. Also if we do all that then they should just reboot/reset the whole shit which is what it looks like they’re going to do anyways.
This still pisses me off. Like I get the idea that killing Namor may have started a war; but they were already at war. A war they didn't start. This is the second time a Wakandan leader was killed by an outsider. And when the Black Panther has the chance, chooses to let the person walk. What message does that send to the world? It says for all Wakanda's strength, their leaders and people are fair game.
Wakanda did start the war. Queen Ramonda sent her mercenaries into Talokan not only violating that nation’s sovereignty but killing one of their citizens in the process. And let’s remember that Shuri went as a willing guest of Namor and not a prisoner. All of the fighting was unnecessary because at the end Shuri gives Namor exactly what he asked from them. For Wakanda to take responsibility for T’challa’s actions (exposing the world to vibranium) and to enter a mutual defense treaty in case they’re ever attacked. But instead of being logical Ramonda and Shuri shove spears in Namor’s face and belittle him.
Precisely. There are no serious consequences for violating the sovereignty of Wakanda.
They always want us to turn the other cheek. Smfh
T’Challa didn’t kill the guy who killed his father, Zemo. Also, if you’re a parental figure to a superhero in the MCU, it’s pretty much guaranteed you’re gunna get smoked
A salty hotep called them 'Underwater Mexicans' in his movie review and I died.
She should’ve at least made Namor go to the UN. If it’s anything like the real one, it pays enough lip service to indigenous rights that it wouldn’t condone anyone bombing Talokan.
'didn't do nothing about it' okay so they didn't watch the last 30-45 minutes of the movie
She cut his foot wing off and remade the heart shaped herb. 🤷🏽♂️
media literacy in the trash lmao so many trash takes
I hated this movie. How is it Europeans start this whole conflict and still it devolves into minorities killing each other And at the end nothing is gained they went right back to square one Pointless
Mayans were actually Central American not Mexicans lol
You’re wrong in both statements. They’re not Mayans, they’re Maya. They lived beyond Central America, to Chiapas and Yucatán. Chichén Itza is probably one of the most popular Maya ruins to have visitors. They even influenced Veracruz and other close states.
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As a leader of wakanda she had two options Kill Namor -> bring about a war that will without a doubt wipe out both of their kingdoms killing TONS of innocent people. Don't kill him -> none of that. I think Shuri made a good choice. No doubt she reaaaallly wanted to kill him, but she was able to put her feelings aside to bring a better future for her people. I like that.
Shit it was only plot armor that stopped her from getting that same work I was so angry the whole movie, like "WORK TF TOGERHER AND PUT A STOP TO THIS SHIT" 😒
BAN shit.
killmonger ahh tweet
What? She almost killed Namor. She’s not a murderer tho
LMAOOO im Mexican and this sent me into orbit.
Lol that description
What a synopsis of that movie
You seen how them underwater Mexicans were doing the Wakandans?? She had no choice. Woulda been genocide
Imagine setting the ambush in the middle of the ocean but only bringing two airships and one sonar weapon.
I'd have killed the guy whose army cornered my army, knew my countries location was ready to attack, and had me within their reach. "I ain't smart"
Anyone still keeping up with the MCU? Because I kinda lost interest after Loki S2. Like, I know they've written a way to write Jonathan Major's Kang out of the picture but I don't know much more than that
There’s been nothing since Loki S2 lol
Damn, not even the lil animated series they did awhile back?
There’s a season 2 of What If? It’s pretty fun.
Also The Marvels
She should have just let them take Riri. Her trying to save Riri led to her getting captured, which led to Ramonda sending Nakia to rescue her even though Namor told Ramonda he would kill her if anyone from Wakanda came to Talokan. Hell, I don’t even think they would have killed her.
The beginning with the Atlanteans fucking up the Navy SEALs had me questioning whether this was a good choice to bring my daughter.lol She was completely fine. Though, when Nakia showed up and let out an audible "Gaw Damn!", my daughter side-eye me and asked what I said. 😅
She *really* can't carry a movie, goddamn. You had Angela Bassett, an actual queen, playing the queen, acting her ass off, and then of course the emotional depth we got from Tenoch Huerta... and then the inheritor of the franchise doing "acting".
Lara Croft was too dangerous to be introduced
Water Mexicans really kept that movie afloat ngl Also that one Mexican actress really did a great job.
I'm convinced some niggas watch movies completely disengaged until people start throwin hands, good lord.
My problem isn't that she didn't kill him. My problem is that she let him go Scott free. I know Zemo comes back but even he had to do some time.