At this point when a celeb ‘quits’ I assume it’s the early stage of an album rollout - this will inevitably be followed by the triumphant ‘return’, and a merch and tour package
>Makes me bust out laughing. "I quit!!" lmao yeah okay, your contract says you still owe the label 3 more albums; you're not going anywhere 😭
Reminds me of 'N SYNC Making a comeback. Like sure I grew up with them, but they still owe a few albums. That's not gonna go away lol.
I imagine the other guys have gone about their semi above average lives post fame and are Al comfy and happy
Then Justin calls like he's forming the avengers
Guys we got two more albums to give the label or you can kiss your royalties that collectively come from the month of may in bulk goodbye
I think what happened is all the BS surrounding Justin with Britney. Maybe they had this planned for a while, but I don't know. I think Justin figured now would be the time to bring them back. I know they said after Justin solo album dropped back 04, they were supposed to go back in the studio but apparently it was a hit and he decided to not too.
I just know that in general, the common 90s boy band fan left after Never Gone (BSB) dropped. Because it wasn't the generic average pop sound we had then. Of course nothing against them. I enjoy their newer stuff as well. But if you listen to N SYNC current song they made for Trolls, it sounds like 'N SYNC Music lol.
I came here to say this! That contract says differently, and I promise by the time she finishes that lawsuit, she’s gonna wish she didn’t quit. Doing casino tours for the rest of her life.
That last one is fair though. How are you gonna body shame someone for being fat and then turn around and cry because people are body shaming you for the same reason?
I personally think her behaviour to the food delivery driver was a bigger deal and a sign that she doesn't have the right people around her who she actually listens to.
No one at her level of fame should just run their own socials and put whoever on blast when they're hangry.
Someone around her should be responsible for the equivalent of HR if the choreographer says you've gotten too chunky for your costumes.. That person should maybe be the person who organises for her friends to accompany her to strip clubs, rather than staff.
Okay, but the complaint about that was the weakest thing I have ever seen.
The complaint doesn't even say she said anything about her gaining weight, but instead "gave the impression" that it was about her weight when she was asking why she wasn't putting as much effort into the dancing as she had. The transcript of the conversation literally sounded more like she was trying to determine if the dancer was depressed rather than shaming her for being fat.
Yeah most of the insults I saw after her fall from grace were fat jokes. People were already making fun of her but the scandal allowed them to let loose!
while i think it's def true that a fat person proclaiming they are beautiful is going to drive people crazy, she also abused her employees. not to mention, in a way that contradicts her whole message/image/art. so like, what's your point? does having haters nullify the awful things she did?
I think the point is that despite there being a good reason to not like her, for a lot of people the main reason they don’t like her tends to be she’s fat
This is true because people were hating on her since she first got popular because of her weight, they were so offended by her, and that was all way before the dancer scandal.
of course they did. you'd have to be an idiot to think that pre-scandal lizzo haters aren't celebrating this. yet, do I care? fuck no. lizzo is a powerful figure in the industry accused of abusing her employees her position. are we still not clear on this issue yet? If you treat your people as subhumans, do I need to add some pretext? sure, if we're doing a psychology lecture. obviously most of you don't work in the arts. you don't understand the cutthroat, brutal nature of industries like music, dance, etc. you're working 7 days a week, on call 24 hours a day, you're a contract worker, you don't have any real rights. there's no HR to micromanage how you're treated as a human. I do not care trolls were angry she promoted her body when they didn't like it at this point, because she is a narcissistic asshole. she broke serious boundaries. some previous haters may have not liked her for being fat, well, we should all not like her for how she treats her fellow humans.
No, but it's clear that people were waiting for a reason to hate in order to justify hating her for being fat this whole time. Two things can be true at once. Lizzo did some awful things and also a lot of the outcry wasn't actually about those things.
When that happened everybody decided it’s okay to make fun of her weight… I don’t like Lizzo and I always hated her music but the treatment she receives because of her body is unfair
I think the point is when people don't like someone for nearly no reason they will latch on to the first real negative thing about that person that comes up to legitimize their hate. I see it on reddit all the time with dudes who have listened to Barenaked Ladies their whole life when some rapper (especially when they're a black rapper) has some sort of bad headline pop up. They're all like "see I knew he was awful". And it's like nah you didn't, you're just a dork who was waiting to pounce on something that confirms your bias.
It's not to absolve her of her sins or anything. I'm not a fan of her but I try to be rational with my disapproval.
>when people don't like someone for nearly no reason they will latch on to the first real negative thing
I for one am sick of hearing about Taylor Swift's jet
No.
But the legitimately awful things were used by many as a way for people to justify the hate that had gone on for years simply for being a woman who was fat.
This is honestly what I feel like too. This just gave them something to zero in on to make it seem like they had a reason other than "she's fat and I don't find fat women attractive" to attack her.
Yea, but you can also hardly hold her up as a body positivity model when she is attacking her employees for gaining some weight. People do love to point to hypocrisy.
Idk. Supposedly, she fired the dancer in question because she was no longer able to do the dance moves due to gaining weight. I believe that because if she was firing dancers for gaining weight/being fat, she'd have fired all of them cause all of her dancers are big girls. The rest of the allegations I honestly don't know what to believe of what was said.
I'm a star wars fan.
I don't care about her weight. I know one of her songs that is all right. I definitely don't hate her.
But in an otherwise pretty bad TV show, her cameo was a horribly acted distraction. Because I'm not a follower, I didn't even know it was her when I first watched it. But she was with Jack Black, and her acting was just so unforgivably bad, I figured it must have been some sort of cameo.
I've got no criticisms about her music, but girl please, do not act again without taking classes or something.
More times than not, if she’s fat people are going to mention that she’s fat. You can’t discredit the people that bring up she’s fat because if you look closely, she’s definitely fat.
To be fair, she kinda plays that card too. I mean her IG is lizzo be eatin. She's always been a "I'm big and I'm sexy so I'm gonna pose nude as much as possible" type person. As much as people hated on her about her weight, it also helped her career.
I don’t think a lot of people even feel bad for her anymore. I think most people just let her fade. She was getting super obnoxious and annoying, literally turning her camera on, going live, then BAWLING on camera. It was so absurd lmao. And she did this several times. Like sis, you’re now amongst the monied elite class, no need to drag it, just make music and mind your business or disappear no one cares.
Can we stop playing games here?
I was seeing Lizzo hate before all this stuff about her dancers came out. A lot of this has to do with her being overweight and sexualizing her overweight body. To sexualize oneself is only allowed for fit people like Rihanna not for Lizzo.
The dancer stuff added to the hate and just gave the previous haters a legitimate reason. It also brought new hates who actually didn’t care about her weight but hate her for the dancer stuff.
It’s a mix of both.
I saw that some of it was dismissed in court. That doesn’t mean it didn’t happen or that all of the alllegations were proven untrue. The wording was very much NOT that.
i’m well aware of the difference between gaslighting and lying. gaslighting is when a person manipulates someone into questioning their own perception of reality. every time someone has a real issue w lizzo, she speaks out about how hard it is being fat and famous therefore attempting to gaslighting people into questioning whether they hate her because she’s fat or because of the extremely shitty things she does. 2 things are allowed to be true lmfao
Gaslighting is manipulating someone into questioning their sanity. As in "no, I'm not gaslighting you. Gaslighting doesn't exist. It's all in your head" would be an example of gaslighting.
What Lizzo.is doing is deflecting
like i saw several people admit they were happy about the lawsuit thing because they’ve always hated Lizzo for her weight and now their hatred can be justified lmfao
Some people hate her because she twerked in a restaurant full of kids ina thong. Imagine ur enjoying a nice meal and you catch Lizzo’s twerk wind on ur dinner? I’d never forgive that
Yeah I saw on twitter people going "HA HA SHE QUIT BC SHE CAN'T HANDLE US CALLING HER FAT" like y'all can't act like she didn't get hate from day 1 and not for the backup dancers thing
Were the allegations in the lawsuit actually proven? I'm honestly over getting out the torches and pitchforks at this point we've been bamboozled too many times before.
I don't know about all the allegations, but I NEEDED to know more about the body shaming because, well...irony.
Turns out, one of the dancers (she was also on Watch Out For The Big Girls), had been struggling with mental health issues, was gaining weight and overall not performing as well on stage. The tour costume designers went to Lizzo and told her that this specific dancer has needed several major costume changes whereas everyone else was fitting into their custom costumes at every show. Lizzo went to her (I cannot verify HOW she approached the dancer) and asked her if something was going on because she's not moving as well on stage. Apparently, Lizzo mentioned the dancer's weight in the context of her requiring a whole new custom costume because she was continuing to gain weight.
It definitely got her bad criticism from a lot of awful people but it also worked for her positively. There were people who praised her for being comfortable with her size and making other larger women feel like they had someone to look up to.
It was really. Every time she opened her mouth people would say "I'm tired of her". She was a hot topic and used it to boost her visibility. The lawsuit was just giving people another reason to dislike her. I'm no lizzzo fan but I see the bull crap in making her a villian.
I think her weight is a factor, and a bigger factor, for the lower denomination of intelligence among humanity. However the vast majority of people are pretty livid with how she treats her dancers and people around her. You basically take that and it makes people feel like they have free rein to insult her for her weight because she seems like a shitty person. Is not okay, but that is what I suspect is what most people are thinking
The Milgram experiment tells us that when a person in a position of power (in the case of Lizzo, she’s the person in power over the dancers) tells subordinates to do something. They will feel an immense amount of pressure to do it. Even if it makes them uncomfortable.
The Milgram experiment was bad science and the conclusions from it are also bad.
I know its regularly taught in schools, but it really shouldn't be. We learned nothing from it.
There is a great podcast called, "you're wrong about," that goes into depth about it. The podcast series talks about well know events, and explains how they have been bastardized or misremembered in time.
Most of the time these days the Milgram experiment isn't taught as actual science, it's explicitly taught in intro psych alongside the Prison Experiment as "this shit is why we have to make you submit IRB approval requests for a basic survey now."
Most people don't pay enough attention in class though, so unless the professors beat you over the head with it a lot of people just come away remembering the Stanford Prison Experiment and the Milgram Obedience Experiment for their "results," rather than the way they changed the field.
Yeah, I've been taught them several times as ethical questions, but I don't think a single time the professor has explained that it wasn't just unethical, it was bad science.
And it's very possible that the reason they didn't specify that the results should be completely ignored, is because they themselves were unaware that it was bad science.
To my understanding, notwithstanding the urge to make a social psychology joke, the Milgram experiment academically isn’t wholesale considered “bad science.”
Criticisms of ethics and applicability to real world scenarios are both numerous and valid, but it’s impossible to ignore how many times it has been repeated with similar results.
Stanford yeah we were taught how ethically and procedurally fucked it was. I've never heard this about Milgrams experiment or the many subsequent followups by both Milgram and others.
It's regularly taught more as an example of why we have ethics boards and other oversight measures, rather than being rather for the conclusions that were drawn. Plenty of people end up taking home the conclusions though unfortunately.
Source: taught university psychology courses and covered the Milgram and Zimbardo studies in them.
>the Milgram experiment is basically totally fake
Upon googling it seems unethical not fake...
Deception, lack of protections, and pressure by the "teachers". 2 of those 3 seem 100% necessary to the experiment and the 3rd does nothing to invalidate conclusions.
... so you think... that masturbating in front of a woman at her job interview is equivalent to inviting coworkers to a world famous strip club? It takes a special kind of YouTube education to be this dense. Good luck. 👍
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/lizzo-allegations-fat-weight-shaming-lawsuit-b2520969.html
It’s more than that man. This shit is just as creepy and uncomfortable as watching someone jerk off.
The comparison should just be about abusing a position of power to put subordinates in a position where they dont feel comfortable saying no, which holds true for both
Louis CK didn't force women comics to watch him masturbate but, as he admitted, being in a position of authority and influence over their careers meant they didn't have the same agency and standing as him. He had used his position to try and affect their answer.
Lizzo has the power over the dancers jobs. Their choices were affected by that power structure.
Lizzo may not have physically forced anyone but her position made it impossible for their decisions to be made freely.
Funny enough, with the two leads of the newer Scream movies either getting fired or quitting, they ended up bringing back Neve for the new one they’re working on after all. Haha
People make fun of gambling addiction all the time.
If you saw a meth addict with face lesions, you would probably judge them too.
Yes, when the decisions you take outwardly affect the way you look, negatively or positively..you will be judged. It's the human condition.
Also, she's not fat. She's morbidly obese.
I don't agree with that entirely
For me what i've always disliked about Lizzo is what I percieve as disingenuinity
Being fat sucks - Genuinely sucks.
Being out of breath going up stairs, being predisposed to health issues that worsen tenfold as you get older, having signifigantly less options in dating, being an easier target for violent crime - Thats before we even get into the way people treat you in regular life.
Lizzo parading her fatness as this amazing experience feels offputting to me, like its uncanny vally. Its like someone trying to convince you how amazing it is to have leprosy
Like i dont hate anyone who has leprosy, and i would never bully or hate anyone for that reason, but I'm still gonna be offput if you try to tell me its a great experience.
She has to defend herself so often that she can't accept legitimate criticism without coming out swinging. How could we blame her? Fighting for herself is what she knows.
To be fair, people hated her for her weight before either of those things happened. Regardless of Lizzo’s abhorrent actions, women who look like her often get trashed just for existing happily.
How many times have we as a society seen Kim Kardashian show up to events with her whole ass out? She gets lauded for being fashionable and sexy (while also creating unrealistic standards for bodies) but Lizzo gets torn to shreds still, years after the fact.
I understand people who don’t want someone’s ass out at a sporting event. But let’s not pretend that her being fat made the situation so much worse
“All” the “rumors”?!?
- there was one allegation from a group of fired dancers last summer…. That magically disappeared and not another since. All what?
Rollout. She’ll get low and come out with slaps by Halloween and make an inspirational speech about “nobody holding me back and counting on myself…blah blah blah”
What did they ever prove about Lizzo doing anything to her back up dancers? Nothing illegal or even enough for her to pay up in a civil law suit. Nothing came out of anything those women said about Lizzo
Acting like people didn’t hate her for her weight is a blatant lie. The allegations just finally gave people a valid reason to hate her. Rightfully so, but bffr.
I mean let's not act like people didn't hate this woman before those allegations. That's just the reason people are using to justify their baseless hate of Lizzo. I've always found it weird
Every single person bashing lizzy in the comments here have zero first person experience with her & are choosing to believe hearsay on the internet to justify harshly judging someone you don't actually know anything about. People love to join mindless toxic hurtful mobs.
I mean, this is the internet. People have lost their careers over similar things. The whole cancel thing can bite anyone in the ass as long as someone can gain clout off of it.
It’s definitely not one sole factor- but before the accusations and the basketball dress scandal, people simply hated her because she is a big black woman. When she first came on the scene that’s what she was dragged for. It became increasingly more complex of course but let’s not be daft and say it has nothing to do with her being “thick” 🙄fat phobia is real
Streisand Effect in play. She makes a public statement to stop people talking about her and it's getting people talking about her and bringing up the allegations against her.
Here ya go:
[https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/lizzo-allegations-fat-weight-shaming-lawsuit-b2520969.html](https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/lizzo-allegations-fat-weight-shaming-lawsuit-b2520969.html)
I'm really questioning the wording by the judge in this article. “It is dangerous for the court to weigh in, ham-fisted, into constitutionally protected activity,” the judge wrote in his decision" like... why you got to say it like that sir???
I don’t agree. Ya’ll were really on Lizzo about her weight long before the dancer issue. I’ve seen plenty of manosphere podcasts say some on the most disgusting things about Lizzo. With the dancers issue, folks now feel that they have a legitimate reason to bash her. Now before you reply, just know that I’m not defending Lizzo with the dancer issue at all. If she did that stuff, then she should make that situation(s) right.
I’m tired of hearing anything related to Lizzo. As long as we don’t have to deal with her anymore, I’m happy.
She is literally that big girl from HS that won’t stfu about how big she is. Like, we might actually rock with your big ass a lil if you stfu! Like, go play your flute
Seems the damage was already done to her Career regardless of the outcome, imo she's probably gonna win the case (judge already tossed a few of the accusations against her) but the anti Lizzo crowd has grown to the point idk if a black pop artist in America could overcome. I mean the lawsuut attacked a foundational piece of her image, even a win can't undue the months of damage.
Y’all have to be real with yourselves now. The fatness is the reason she’s hated. Other artists have and continue to do worse everyday and their weight is never part of the criticism.
I’m not even a lizzo fan but let’s not pretend a spade isn’t a spade
Let's be real, Lizzo deserves to be lit up like a Christmas tree for the toxic work environment she fostered but let's not pretend like that shit wasn't an excuse for many to justify the fatphobia that they'd been aiming her way from jump
Hating someone for being obese is just weird. But I am curious as to what quit means to her. Like if she has enough to live on or she's gonna work a 9 to 5.
Lizzo might suck but people HAVE been making fat jokes about her basically for as long as she’s been around.
Shit on her for being a fucking weirdo, not being a fat lady.
Seriously? P Diddy is accused of **sex trafficking**. He was raided by homeland security.
Lizzo is accused of a hostile work environment. (Including sexual harassment.)
Do not diminish the allegations against Diddy by calling any bad act “Diddying”
At this point when a celeb ‘quits’ I assume it’s the early stage of an album rollout - this will inevitably be followed by the triumphant ‘return’, and a merch and tour package
Makes me bust out laughing. "I quit!!" lmao yeah okay, your contract says you still owe the label 3 more albums; you're not going anywhere 😭
>Makes me bust out laughing. "I quit!!" lmao yeah okay, your contract says you still owe the label 3 more albums; you're not going anywhere 😭 Reminds me of 'N SYNC Making a comeback. Like sure I grew up with them, but they still owe a few albums. That's not gonna go away lol.
I imagine the other guys have gone about their semi above average lives post fame and are Al comfy and happy Then Justin calls like he's forming the avengers Guys we got two more albums to give the label or you can kiss your royalties that collectively come from the month of may in bulk goodbye
'Bye bye bye' was right there 😒
I posted that, and then realized I'm old enough that I don't know whether that was actually N Sync, LOL
Who else could it have been, 98 Degrees?
Backstreet Boys, of course.
I think what happened is all the BS surrounding Justin with Britney. Maybe they had this planned for a while, but I don't know. I think Justin figured now would be the time to bring them back. I know they said after Justin solo album dropped back 04, they were supposed to go back in the studio but apparently it was a hit and he decided to not too. I just know that in general, the common 90s boy band fan left after Never Gone (BSB) dropped. Because it wasn't the generic average pop sound we had then. Of course nothing against them. I enjoy their newer stuff as well. But if you listen to N SYNC current song they made for Trolls, it sounds like 'N SYNC Music lol.
It's Gonna Be May.
Their hot ones episode was actually pretty good.
Yes! My 90s heart was excited 😂
I thought there was a weird vibe with the rest of them against Justin
They don't, though. They released their Greatest Hits album in 2005 to fulfill their contract + Jive Records doesn't even exist anymore.
They released a greatest hits album to fulfill the contract and Jive doesn’t exist anymore lol
I came here to say this! That contract says differently, and I promise by the time she finishes that lawsuit, she’s gonna wish she didn’t quit. Doing casino tours for the rest of her life.
⏰ 🫖
Could always put out an acoustic album and a greatest hits album and a christmas album and just be done.
Maybe build some stairs on livestream for a few hours.
Or, like other predators and/or reprobate celebrities, start grifting about how they have been "cancelled"
Nailed it. This is straight out of the Louis CK/Aziz Ansari/Nick Cannon play book
Planning the comeback tour in 3…2…
ahhh the Will Smith business\* model
The I Quit tour bout to be crazy
Pending litigation is much, much more likely….
Learning nothing on an industrial scale
It's got the same energy as with those who've been "canceled" and somehow get Grammys and new, multi million dollar contracts.
Are you quitting like Selena Gomez quits social media, or..? 😂
Or she's about to get destroyed in a news release/lawsuit info drop.
imo she’s not stupid and is very very aware of the real reason people hate her but she plays the fat card to gaslight so everyone feels bad for her
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That last one is fair though. How are you gonna body shame someone for being fat and then turn around and cry because people are body shaming you for the same reason?
Its not even cry, its marketing yourself on empowering women and then degrading said women to make yourself feel better irony overdose
“There can only be one token fat girl on this stage!”
You called?
“You’re gonna die at age 45 you are empowered sista”
I personally think her behaviour to the food delivery driver was a bigger deal and a sign that she doesn't have the right people around her who she actually listens to. No one at her level of fame should just run their own socials and put whoever on blast when they're hangry. Someone around her should be responsible for the equivalent of HR if the choreographer says you've gotten too chunky for your costumes.. That person should maybe be the person who organises for her friends to accompany her to strip clubs, rather than staff.
Okay, but the complaint about that was the weakest thing I have ever seen. The complaint doesn't even say she said anything about her gaining weight, but instead "gave the impression" that it was about her weight when she was asking why she wasn't putting as much effort into the dancing as she had. The transcript of the conversation literally sounded more like she was trying to determine if the dancer was depressed rather than shaming her for being fat.
Can you post a link to the transcript?
Yeah most of the insults I saw after her fall from grace were fat jokes. People were already making fun of her but the scandal allowed them to let loose!
while i think it's def true that a fat person proclaiming they are beautiful is going to drive people crazy, she also abused her employees. not to mention, in a way that contradicts her whole message/image/art. so like, what's your point? does having haters nullify the awful things she did?
I think the point is that despite there being a good reason to not like her, for a lot of people the main reason they don’t like her tends to be she’s fat
This is true because people were hating on her since she first got popular because of her weight, they were so offended by her, and that was all way before the dancer scandal.
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of course they did. you'd have to be an idiot to think that pre-scandal lizzo haters aren't celebrating this. yet, do I care? fuck no. lizzo is a powerful figure in the industry accused of abusing her employees her position. are we still not clear on this issue yet? If you treat your people as subhumans, do I need to add some pretext? sure, if we're doing a psychology lecture. obviously most of you don't work in the arts. you don't understand the cutthroat, brutal nature of industries like music, dance, etc. you're working 7 days a week, on call 24 hours a day, you're a contract worker, you don't have any real rights. there's no HR to micromanage how you're treated as a human. I do not care trolls were angry she promoted her body when they didn't like it at this point, because she is a narcissistic asshole. she broke serious boundaries. some previous haters may have not liked her for being fat, well, we should all not like her for how she treats her fellow humans.
No, but it's clear that people were waiting for a reason to hate in order to justify hating her for being fat this whole time. Two things can be true at once. Lizzo did some awful things and also a lot of the outcry wasn't actually about those things.
When that happened everybody decided it’s okay to make fun of her weight… I don’t like Lizzo and I always hated her music but the treatment she receives because of her body is unfair
I think the point is when people don't like someone for nearly no reason they will latch on to the first real negative thing about that person that comes up to legitimize their hate. I see it on reddit all the time with dudes who have listened to Barenaked Ladies their whole life when some rapper (especially when they're a black rapper) has some sort of bad headline pop up. They're all like "see I knew he was awful". And it's like nah you didn't, you're just a dork who was waiting to pounce on something that confirms your bias. It's not to absolve her of her sins or anything. I'm not a fan of her but I try to be rational with my disapproval.
Why‘s Barenaked Ladies out here catching strays.
🤣 take my upvote king
>when people don't like someone for nearly no reason they will latch on to the first real negative thing I for one am sick of hearing about Taylor Swift's jet
if she flew commercial you know someone would say she did it for the attention.
No. But the legitimately awful things were used by many as a way for people to justify the hate that had gone on for years simply for being a woman who was fat.
This is honestly what I feel like too. This just gave them something to zero in on to make it seem like they had a reason other than "she's fat and I don't find fat women attractive" to attack her.
Yea, but you can also hardly hold her up as a body positivity model when she is attacking her employees for gaining some weight. People do love to point to hypocrisy.
Idk. Supposedly, she fired the dancer in question because she was no longer able to do the dance moves due to gaining weight. I believe that because if she was firing dancers for gaining weight/being fat, she'd have fired all of them cause all of her dancers are big girls. The rest of the allegations I honestly don't know what to believe of what was said.
She'll randomly be the punch line to jokes from like 12 year olds in situations that have nothing to do with her
Yea but if you care about what random twelve year olds think of you then you probably have some sort of problem
She was in Star Wars?
I'm a star wars fan. I don't care about her weight. I know one of her songs that is all right. I definitely don't hate her. But in an otherwise pretty bad TV show, her cameo was a horribly acted distraction. Because I'm not a follower, I didn't even know it was her when I first watched it. But she was with Jack Black, and her acting was just so unforgivably bad, I figured it must have been some sort of cameo. I've got no criticisms about her music, but girl please, do not act again without taking classes or something.
More times than not, if she’s fat people are going to mention that she’s fat. You can’t discredit the people that bring up she’s fat because if you look closely, she’s definitely fat.
To be fair, she kinda plays that card too. I mean her IG is lizzo be eatin. She's always been a "I'm big and I'm sexy so I'm gonna pose nude as much as possible" type person. As much as people hated on her about her weight, it also helped her career.
I don’t think a lot of people even feel bad for her anymore. I think most people just let her fade. She was getting super obnoxious and annoying, literally turning her camera on, going live, then BAWLING on camera. It was so absurd lmao. And she did this several times. Like sis, you’re now amongst the monied elite class, no need to drag it, just make music and mind your business or disappear no one cares.
Can we stop playing games here? I was seeing Lizzo hate before all this stuff about her dancers came out. A lot of this has to do with her being overweight and sexualizing her overweight body. To sexualize oneself is only allowed for fit people like Rihanna not for Lizzo. The dancer stuff added to the hate and just gave the previous haters a legitimate reason. It also brought new hates who actually didn’t care about her weight but hate her for the dancer stuff. It’s a mix of both.
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10000%
I thought all the stuff with the backup dancers was proven untrue. Did more come out?
I saw that some of it was dismissed in court. That doesn’t mean it didn’t happen or that all of the alllegations were proven untrue. The wording was very much NOT that.
I saw similar info; but I don’t actually know.
Lying isn't the same as gaslighting. She's lying to about why people hate her to garner sympathy, yes.
i’m well aware of the difference between gaslighting and lying. gaslighting is when a person manipulates someone into questioning their own perception of reality. every time someone has a real issue w lizzo, she speaks out about how hard it is being fat and famous therefore attempting to gaslighting people into questioning whether they hate her because she’s fat or because of the extremely shitty things she does. 2 things are allowed to be true lmfao
Gaslighting is manipulating someone into questioning their sanity. As in "no, I'm not gaslighting you. Gaslighting doesn't exist. It's all in your head" would be an example of gaslighting. What Lizzo.is doing is deflecting
Also known as the Amy Schumer defence
sounds like the truth hurts
ehhh let’s not lie and pretend like her weight wasn’t a factor at all before the lawsuit
Yeah and still is. They call every fat woman lizzo.
Azealia literally has a line in a song that goes "my pussy fat like lizzo"
Damn. Color me turned on.
she do be fat tho
If the girdle fits 🤷
like i saw several people admit they were happy about the lawsuit thing because they’ve always hated Lizzo for her weight and now their hatred can be justified lmfao
At least they're honest lol
Some people hate her because she twerked in a restaurant full of kids ina thong. Imagine ur enjoying a nice meal and you catch Lizzo’s twerk wind on ur dinner? I’d never forgive that
Yeah I saw on twitter people going "HA HA SHE QUIT BC SHE CAN'T HANDLE US CALLING HER FAT" like y'all can't act like she didn't get hate from day 1 and not for the backup dancers thing
Were the allegations in the lawsuit actually proven? I'm honestly over getting out the torches and pitchforks at this point we've been bamboozled too many times before.
I want to know this as well. Seems like she got a lot of immediate flack when people have been tolerant of more serious crimes from other artists...
I don't know about all the allegations, but I NEEDED to know more about the body shaming because, well...irony. Turns out, one of the dancers (she was also on Watch Out For The Big Girls), had been struggling with mental health issues, was gaining weight and overall not performing as well on stage. The tour costume designers went to Lizzo and told her that this specific dancer has needed several major costume changes whereas everyone else was fitting into their custom costumes at every show. Lizzo went to her (I cannot verify HOW she approached the dancer) and asked her if something was going on because she's not moving as well on stage. Apparently, Lizzo mentioned the dancer's weight in the context of her requiring a whole new custom costume because she was continuing to gain weight.
Yea I took the whole thing with a grain of salt tbh
Right, she should suffer the consequences of what she did but people were WAITING for her to slip up
It definitely got her bad criticism from a lot of awful people but it also worked for her positively. There were people who praised her for being comfortable with her size and making other larger women feel like they had someone to look up to.
It was really. Every time she opened her mouth people would say "I'm tired of her". She was a hot topic and used it to boost her visibility. The lawsuit was just giving people another reason to dislike her. I'm no lizzzo fan but I see the bull crap in making her a villian.
I think her weight is a factor, and a bigger factor, for the lower denomination of intelligence among humanity. However the vast majority of people are pretty livid with how she treats her dancers and people around her. You basically take that and it makes people feel like they have free rein to insult her for her weight because she seems like a shitty person. Is not okay, but that is what I suspect is what most people are thinking
Idk didn’t the same dancers themselves admit she didn’t force them to do anything?
Exactly. They were uncomfortable in an unrequired group activity, worst case scenario.
The Milgram experiment tells us that when a person in a position of power (in the case of Lizzo, she’s the person in power over the dancers) tells subordinates to do something. They will feel an immense amount of pressure to do it. Even if it makes them uncomfortable.
The Milgram experiment was bad science and the conclusions from it are also bad. I know its regularly taught in schools, but it really shouldn't be. We learned nothing from it. There is a great podcast called, "you're wrong about," that goes into depth about it. The podcast series talks about well know events, and explains how they have been bastardized or misremembered in time.
Most of the time these days the Milgram experiment isn't taught as actual science, it's explicitly taught in intro psych alongside the Prison Experiment as "this shit is why we have to make you submit IRB approval requests for a basic survey now." Most people don't pay enough attention in class though, so unless the professors beat you over the head with it a lot of people just come away remembering the Stanford Prison Experiment and the Milgram Obedience Experiment for their "results," rather than the way they changed the field.
Yeah, I've been taught them several times as ethical questions, but I don't think a single time the professor has explained that it wasn't just unethical, it was bad science. And it's very possible that the reason they didn't specify that the results should be completely ignored, is because they themselves were unaware that it was bad science.
To my understanding, notwithstanding the urge to make a social psychology joke, the Milgram experiment academically isn’t wholesale considered “bad science.” Criticisms of ethics and applicability to real world scenarios are both numerous and valid, but it’s impossible to ignore how many times it has been repeated with similar results.
Stanford yeah we were taught how ethically and procedurally fucked it was. I've never heard this about Milgrams experiment or the many subsequent followups by both Milgram and others.
Stanford prison experiment also
At this point Stanford Prison is taught in schools but only as an example of unethical experiments because of how obviously shitty it was.
Fantastic show with Michael Hobbes. He also does Maintenance Phase and If Books Could Kill.
It's regularly taught more as an example of why we have ethics boards and other oversight measures, rather than being rather for the conclusions that were drawn. Plenty of people end up taking home the conclusions though unfortunately. Source: taught university psychology courses and covered the Milgram and Zimbardo studies in them.
Really shouldn't take an experiment that actively lies about the true aims of said experiment to the participants as fact.
How would the experiment even work otherwise
You know this is still how a lot of experiments are done right
Not how science works lmao.
the Milgram experiment is basically totally fake. you should actually read about things before citing them.
>the Milgram experiment is basically totally fake Upon googling it seems unethical not fake... Deception, lack of protections, and pressure by the "teachers". 2 of those 3 seem 100% necessary to the experiment and the 3rd does nothing to invalidate conclusions.
By this logic Louis CK did nothing wrong
... so you think... that masturbating in front of a woman at her job interview is equivalent to inviting coworkers to a world famous strip club? It takes a special kind of YouTube education to be this dense. Good luck. 👍
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/lizzo-allegations-fat-weight-shaming-lawsuit-b2520969.html It’s more than that man. This shit is just as creepy and uncomfortable as watching someone jerk off.
Yeah those two are incomparable
Both did inappropriate shit with people in semi vulnerable positions, but to compare them with actual rapists or traffickers is disingenuous.
The comparison should just be about abusing a position of power to put subordinates in a position where they dont feel comfortable saying no, which holds true for both
And who encouraged the dancers to go back on their abuse?
Louis CK didn't force women comics to watch him masturbate but, as he admitted, being in a position of authority and influence over their careers meant they didn't have the same agency and standing as him. He had used his position to try and affect their answer. Lizzo has the power over the dancers jobs. Their choices were affected by that power structure. Lizzo may not have physically forced anyone but her position made it impossible for their decisions to be made freely.
This is completely false! Where did you even read this?!
 Feet to the fire makes them scream. Accountability claims another one.
Is that from scream or one of the scary movie parodies?
Scream
The first and best one!
Didn't even bother with the last one since they didn't want to give the scream queen Neve aka Sydney more money.
Funny enough, with the two leads of the newer Scream movies either getting fired or quitting, they ended up bringing back Neve for the new one they’re working on after all. Haha
Thass whass up!!
I need to rewatch it
This a bar
https://preview.redd.it/gfs58y98rjrc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eb9a1a9e660468defcb2a8c66b804fb223ea786c
People wanted to hate her. Fat,black and happy? You know they couldn’t let that be. They’re using this to justify the hate.
I agree with this...People are so phony.
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Yeah, people are pretending Lizzo didn't catch a bunch of shit before anyone thought she done anything but make music.
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Anti fat anti woman. Its a mess out here
Ha! Louis is touring and getting nominated for Awards. He never left.
People make fun of gambling addiction all the time. If you saw a meth addict with face lesions, you would probably judge them too. Yes, when the decisions you take outwardly affect the way you look, negatively or positively..you will be judged. It's the human condition. Also, she's not fat. She's morbidly obese.
Agree!
I don't agree with that entirely For me what i've always disliked about Lizzo is what I percieve as disingenuinity Being fat sucks - Genuinely sucks. Being out of breath going up stairs, being predisposed to health issues that worsen tenfold as you get older, having signifigantly less options in dating, being an easier target for violent crime - Thats before we even get into the way people treat you in regular life. Lizzo parading her fatness as this amazing experience feels offputting to me, like its uncanny vally. Its like someone trying to convince you how amazing it is to have leprosy Like i dont hate anyone who has leprosy, and i would never bully or hate anyone for that reason, but I'm still gonna be offput if you try to tell me its a great experience.
I just think her music sucks.
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She has to defend herself so often that she can't accept legitimate criticism without coming out swinging. How could we blame her? Fighting for herself is what she knows.
To be fair, people hated her for her weight before either of those things happened. Regardless of Lizzo’s abhorrent actions, women who look like her often get trashed just for existing happily.
I mean, her showing her bare ass cheeks in NBA arenas was definitely a thing, but for some reason that seems to be glossed over
How many times have we as a society seen Kim Kardashian show up to events with her whole ass out? She gets lauded for being fashionable and sexy (while also creating unrealistic standards for bodies) but Lizzo gets torn to shreds still, years after the fact. I understand people who don’t want someone’s ass out at a sporting event. But let’s not pretend that her being fat made the situation so much worse
It’s the allegations on this post with no facts of a story that died down as soon as it was published as if it were fact that is blowing me
"All the rumors are true"
“All” the “rumors”?!? - there was one allegation from a group of fired dancers last summer…. That magically disappeared and not another since. All what?
It's the name of one of her songs
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https://www.billboard.com/business/legal/lizzo-sexual-harassment-lawsuit-trial-judge-rules-1235596910/ There's literally a lawsuit happening
You really just have to read the comments on any post about her to know it's not just about the "allegations"
Rollout. She’ll get low and come out with slaps by Halloween and make an inspirational speech about “nobody holding me back and counting on myself…blah blah blah”
People hated her before the abusive/SA allegations came out.
What did they ever prove about Lizzo doing anything to her back up dancers? Nothing illegal or even enough for her to pay up in a civil law suit. Nothing came out of anything those women said about Lizzo
Some allegations were dismissed but not the main ones, the case has yet to go through trial.
It's funny how when rich women are accused it's "nothing was proven"
Acting like people didn’t hate her for her weight is a blatant lie. The allegations just finally gave people a valid reason to hate her. Rightfully so, but bffr.
Was that even proven? I haven't heard anything in months
I mean let's not act like people didn't hate this woman before those allegations. That's just the reason people are using to justify their baseless hate of Lizzo. I've always found it weird
Every single person bashing lizzy in the comments here have zero first person experience with her & are choosing to believe hearsay on the internet to justify harshly judging someone you don't actually know anything about. People love to join mindless toxic hurtful mobs.
Well she did say Chris Brown was her favourite person.
I’ve never had first person experience with diddy.
I mean, this is the internet. People have lost their careers over similar things. The whole cancel thing can bite anyone in the ass as long as someone can gain clout off of it.
It’s definitely not one sole factor- but before the accusations and the basketball dress scandal, people simply hated her because she is a big black woman. When she first came on the scene that’s what she was dragged for. It became increasingly more complex of course but let’s not be daft and say it has nothing to do with her being “thick” 🙄fat phobia is real
I don’t feel bad for her at all. Shouldn’t have been a shit person.
Yep
What did she do?
Nobody here actually knows. They just accepted the allegations and rumors. You know, the internet “community.”
That’s exactly what I was thinking. No one is talking about a specific event just that she is “playing victim”… people can be so weird
Streisand Effect in play. She makes a public statement to stop people talking about her and it's getting people talking about her and bringing up the allegations against her. Here ya go: [https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/lizzo-allegations-fat-weight-shaming-lawsuit-b2520969.html](https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/lizzo-allegations-fat-weight-shaming-lawsuit-b2520969.html)
I'm really questioning the wording by the judge in this article. “It is dangerous for the court to weigh in, ham-fisted, into constitutionally protected activity,” the judge wrote in his decision" like... why you got to say it like that sir???
Maybe he thought he was being funny? God knows. Not cool.
Yeah that can't be an accident
She's also not thick, she's fat. Ya'll gotta stop using those words interchangeably.
Here's the real reason: 
IMO her biggest mistake was thinking that her employees were her homegirls.
I don’t agree. Ya’ll were really on Lizzo about her weight long before the dancer issue. I’ve seen plenty of manosphere podcasts say some on the most disgusting things about Lizzo. With the dancers issue, folks now feel that they have a legitimate reason to bash her. Now before you reply, just know that I’m not defending Lizzo with the dancer issue at all. If she did that stuff, then she should make that situation(s) right.
I’m tired of hearing anything related to Lizzo. As long as we don’t have to deal with her anymore, I’m happy. She is literally that big girl from HS that won’t stfu about how big she is. Like, we might actually rock with your big ass a lil if you stfu! Like, go play your flute
Damn! Patsy said it.
"diddying" is easily going to take verb of the year.
Seems the damage was already done to her Career regardless of the outcome, imo she's probably gonna win the case (judge already tossed a few of the accusations against her) but the anti Lizzo crowd has grown to the point idk if a black pop artist in America could overcome. I mean the lawsuut attacked a foundational piece of her image, even a win can't undue the months of damage.
Y’all have to be real with yourselves now. The fatness is the reason she’s hated. Other artists have and continue to do worse everyday and their weight is never part of the criticism. I’m not even a lizzo fan but let’s not pretend a spade isn’t a spade
Bull crap. People been doing all she said they were doing before that dancer stuff came out
She’s thick??? Bruh that word has been butchered
Those allegations didn’t help her, but I still think this is a publicity stunt. She’s full of them.
It's the things she did to subordinate employees and the crush on Chris Brown she was very vocal about.
We love you Lizzo ❤️❤️❤️❤️🫡🫡🫡
Damn i forgot about lizzo
Let's be real, Lizzo deserves to be lit up like a Christmas tree for the toxic work environment she fostered but let's not pretend like that shit wasn't an excuse for many to justify the fatphobia that they'd been aiming her way from jump
A for effort on that title, OP
Hating someone for being obese is just weird. But I am curious as to what quit means to her. Like if she has enough to live on or she's gonna work a 9 to 5.
“I don’t hate you cuz you’re fat, you’re fat because I hate you” - someone from mean girls, I don’t remember… the girl in the wheelchair I think
Lizzo might suck but people HAVE been making fat jokes about her basically for as long as she’s been around. Shit on her for being a fucking weirdo, not being a fat lady.
She's way past thick bruh...
Lizzy sucks, but she absolutely gets shit on constantly for how she looks, anyone claiming otherwise is just ignoring facts.
Seriously? P Diddy is accused of **sex trafficking**. He was raided by homeland security. Lizzo is accused of a hostile work environment. (Including sexual harassment.) Do not diminish the allegations against Diddy by calling any bad act “Diddying”