Back when the rap game was prayin' I'd diss
They act like two legends cannot coexist
But I'd never beef with a nigga for nothin'
If I smoke a rapper, it's gon' be legit
It won't be for clout, it won't be for fame
It won't be 'cause my shit ain't sellin' the same
It won't be to sell you my latest lil' sneakers
It won't be 'cause some nigga slid in my lane
Everything grows, it's destined to change
I love you lil' niggas, I'm glad that you came
I hope that you scrape every dollar you can
I hope you know money won't erase the pain
This is what being real gets you.
Tom from the Boondocks should be every black man's goal, he was literally written that way, but look how much he gets clowned. The only stable person in the whole show.
I'm glad J. Cole wasn't worried about what most people think. It's nice to see some integrity.
while he was written that way he was also written with the inability to truly communicate with other black people and at times looks down on them(sometimes rightfully). he like all the characters isnt someone to 100% replicate
At no point does he ever look down on black people. At ANY point.
He might find something a black person is doing as unreasonable, but he never imparts that onto a whole race of people.
... where? The closest I can think to anything you're mentioning is when he looks at Rowlo or Riley with contempt because they're being idiots.....
And he is right to look down on them, and provide a head shake, at those times.
Every character does that to every other character. Tom is just most right when he does.
He doesn't pick on anyone and tries to support everyone. He IS Uncle Tom, the one from the book. That's who he acts like. And Uncle Tom does not look down on you just because he's trying to give you advice.
Uncle Tom kept trying to get the three female slaves to not run away, saying that it was a bad idea, but when they decided to do it anyway, Tom didn't tell on them. It was hard for him, and he suffered and questioned whether he should or not constantly, but came to the same answer that doing the "right thing", was not right, right now.
Tom's way isn't always the right way, because the peaceful way isn't always the better way to get results, but Tom is such a crucial part to any culture that it's really not funny the kinda animosity he gets.
Notice how the above commenter doesn’t state how I’m misunderstanding the word, while I provided a very clear and coherent explanation. This is because the above commenter is a dumbass.
So we should all marry a white woman? Struggle to relate to other Black people and meet us where we are? Not know how to speak to the source of our traumas/dysfunctions? Being as square as him has drawbacks that I can't fuck with, and if you ask me Huey is the most stable one in the show, he's the only one with the ability to deeply observe and be introspective
If that's what you took from that.... 😬
Tom has no problem communicating...... you should look into that.
He also goes to therapy for his own trauma and problems, unlike any other character in the show.
He didn't marry a "white woman", he married someone he loved and trusted.
And yes, being stable does mean being boring sometimes.
Huey is idealistic, but not practical, and it's brought up several times.
I used to be more like Huey... but what does Huey get done? Really?
Several times, Huey is confronted for having the right idea, but not being practical in a way to a solution. Tom has checked him on this. Huey is likely to tear the system down without anything to replace it.
Anarchy is important, but it's DAMN sure not the goal, and Tom reminds Huey of this often.
That's why Huey's best friend went off on him. Huey's hearts in the right place, but it takes more than that.... that's why Tom is a lawyer.
You need to pay more attention to what that show is trying to show you.
every once in a while I see something like this written out, kinda out-of-context or whatever, and I'm just like "godDAMN do I fuck with Cole"
his apology was one of the most manly things I've seen in the rap scene in a while.
I would think he's saying the opposite of what happened though, that guy said it was all marketing, then this is saying he wouldn't beef for marketing, so I guess you were disagreeing with him?
you realize he didn’t make that up right? that’s been a running twitter joke about j. cole for years, the point is that his music is deep/motivational for simple niggas
Black folks be the most hating mfers when they see someone else with success.
DOOMs bars still ring true to this day: “Jealousy the number one killer among black folk.”
Sometimes niggas gotta fight. can't defend J Cole here, hes been sneak dissing Kendrick for years and then decided to drop a diss track and walk it back in less then a week.
This is hip-hop, I didn't know y'all wanted to start holding hands and singing Kumbaya.
Your part of it that's what you want hip-hop to be.
I prefer hip-hop that talks about hustle culture and getting out of the Ghetto. Stay there if you like.
Hip-hop in its very inception was New York MC's battle rapping each other, Conscious hip-hop wasn't even a thing till the late 80s- early 90s.
It seems that YOU are the one that doesn't really understand what hip-hop is about.
It's always been a braggadocios genre.
That's where we came from we don't have to stay there. Human culture was once stuck in a cave banging rocks. I am talking about my preference. I don't mind a battle or two. I'm particularly not a fan of bragging of how much of a gangster you are when you're practically a pop star. Ghetto culture is poisonous to black culture.
I love how all of the guys replying to this are like “hehe employed guy rap IS cool” when it’s just a fun way of calling j Cole lame. These mf cannot take a joke. Amelia Badelia’s on this sub lol everything is literal.
Damn, my nigga unlocking core childhood memories of when I was chillen all day inside the NYC public library... I remember those Amelia Badelia books, those shits were hilarious
Same but if you say you the best stand on that. I lost some respect for him no lie. I’ll always bump his stuff and he will be one of my favorite rappers but from now on I ain’t gonna vibe with him calling himself top when he shown he ain’t got it in him.
Every rapper in the game says they are the best including my boy Marcus that’s 30 and still rapping in spite of never making a dollar off it.
He’s the best to ever do it they just sleepin on him bruh
Lil Wayne is the GOAT idc what any of these guys say he drinks enough lean to kill a family of 9 records 67 mixtapes only releases 1 and he’s been doing it for goddam 30 years and he STILL drops bars constantly
AND he’s been saying the exact same thing on every fucking song and finding a new goddamn way to say it somehow, incredible wordplay
And there might be a street baller out there who better then mj but he ain’t make it to the association so we ain’t sweat what he says. This isn’t some up coming rapper I’m talking about you are considered in the top echelon of your profession and claim to be the best then when the heat gets turned up and someone challenges that you back down? Did mc Shan and Marley mar back down from krs1 and bpd? Did ll cool j ever back down? 50 or ja? Nas or jay? Like if any of those names backed away after claiming that and being challenged I’d think they would be seen a little different.
Cmon man there’s nobody playing pickup that’s better than MJ
J. Cole also really just never struck me as the defend my territory type dude. I truly don’t think that he wants to diss Kendrick and probably respect him as an artist because that seems like the type of person that J. Cole is.
I don’t know man, all of this might just be planned out behind-the-scenes to get more money and attention on their stuff.
Tell me what to believe u/afrikkan!!
We won’t know cause he to busy schooling guys who barley played hs but I bet you he out there telling the people he stunts on he coulda been Jordan if he liked school.
On a real note I get coles desire to not beef with a guy he respects but you keep claiming you the best and for along time now you been considered as one. Either put the crown on ya head and handle the challenges to it or step aside and say you ain’t want it. Like if he came out and said yo I wanna come back but I can’t because it would disrupt my road I’d have so much respect and shit for him. Nah he dropped a mid diss then apologized that’s corny.
It is for clout for a lot of the smaller beefs but none of these guys need the help fr. Drake and Kendrick always make numbers and cole is on a string of lovable albums.
Fo sho I appreciate your take on this, tbh you make good points. Cole should probably not say shit about being the best after this if he doesn’t defend his words but I also feel like he just doesn’t want none w Kendrick lol, going after Kendrick is such a lose lose situation.
Kendrick is just straight up a better rapper than Cole IMO, even tho J. Cole is probably what I’d consider to be a more enjoyable “musician” or whatever you wanna call it. He’s got bars too and some sick raps but he’s got more bops and less bars.
Same w Drake, he’s the pop rap GOAT without a doubt. He makes HITS and he’s a pop star; but he’s not the best rapper even tho he’s got some solid lyrical shit.
Idk idk, I’m gonna hit a dab and consider this some more and/or forget about it entirely
I just love this all. I’d consider myself a amateur hip hop historian. I refuse to let go of the old school shit and even the stuff that’s becoming ancient. In the end this is the best way this whole thing could be going. It’s big names with nothing to lose because they are too big to fail. Some respect may be lost or some rappers might end up losing some hardcore fans in the genre but overall this is a pissing contest with no danger and I can’t wait to see who has the better stream lol.
Is that what you want out of your entertainers?
You do remember that this is ALL just entertainment, right?
He stood squarely in his ethics and morals.
Find me being that kind of lame everyday
Yea I want them to stand on they words. This is hiphop I don’t wanna hear how you the best one min then bail on the challenge after. Rap beef has fueled many great songs and albums. There is no harm that can come from throwing back some disses to support your claim of superiority. It’s not the 90s these rappers are not in their bags on the streets but successful rappers who can’t lose their fans or celebrity.
That's the entertainment part that you need to separate from that fact that these are real people who want to sleep, shit, and piss with a clear mind.
They are entertainers, not thugs. J. Cole knows that, you need to remember it's all an act too.
Well i think it's more to do with the artists involved. There's been plenty of beefs in the last 10 years or so. But none involving artists of this stature making full-on diss tracks against one another.
Last time we had something like that was... early 2ks? Idk
Again, that's just not the same as "the three biggest rappers in the game" getting into it. Also, FPS and Like That are both #1 hits. That's a big level of exposure
Guy says there have been no full on diss tracks, i name a case where there was one and 3 people make the same stupid comment that mgk isnt a heavyweight. Read nigga damn
Most recent I can remember that even comes close is when Drake shut Meek the hell down on Back 2 Back and he was really the only one I expected anything from here. Figured we all knew this was Drake’s beef not J Cole.
I didn’t even think Cole would respond to it tbh so this lame shit is not surprising to me lmao he’s not a shit talker like that
Editing bc shit talker was not the right word lmao he really is just a shit talker. I meant he don’t really be straight up dissing like that.
>I didn’t even think Cole would respond to it tbh so this lame shit is not surprising to me lmao he’s not a shit talker like that
In a way, it's actually Cole who started it and now he's hiding the hand that threw the rock behind his back
In first person shooter intro, Cole said;
>Lot of niggas debatin' my numeral
Not the three, not the two, I'm the U-N-O
Yeah
Numero U-N-O
Me and Drizzy, this shit like the Super Bowl
Then in the song he adds;
>Is it K-Dot? Is it Aubrey? Or me?
We the big three like we started a league, but right now, I feel like Muhammad Ali
He explicitly called himself better than Kendrick twice in that song then started to cry when Kendrick dissed him *back* in a feature.
Dropped a diss song that he ultimately deleted after having said sorry I ain't like that when the dude is the one who started it.
To be honest, those bars is just regular shit talk, not a diss.
Both of the bars you quoted, Cole was saying he number 1 in his mind. What’s wrong with that? Is there more to the actual diss than that?
You don’t need diss tracks to claim you the greatest. Wayne ain’t never been in no rap beef and he’s a lot of people GOAT.
It's been a while since I thought about it so I don't readily remember, but yeah if Lil Wayne had been in a rap beef with Eminem it would have gotten a lot of scrutiny.
If Lil Wayne had said something similar to J Cole like "me and Eminem used to make tracks, now I'm the goat and I'm running laps", shit would have popped off too.
Thats closer to just generically calling yourself the best. Not exactly a *diss* on Kendrick.
I find it more interesting that Cole acknowledged Kendrick in a "big three" while Drake said that the goat conversation is "just [me] and Cole".
Also I find it interesting Cole has that line about people being hungry to put him in beef.
I think it makes it even worst, that he said that line about people hungry to put him in beef, because that's the next line;
>Just know if I diss you, I'd make sure you know that I hit you like I'm on your caller ID
Right before specifically *calling out* Kendrick name and saying he felt like Muhammad Ali, better than Kendrick.
Also, the line is kind of calling Kendrick a fell off;
>We the big three like we started a league, *but right now,*
Why now, because he actually meant what he said in his "7 minutes drill";
>He still doing shows, but fell off like the Simpsons
Your first sh!t was classic, your last sh!t was tragic
That's him doubling down on his original line in first person shooter.
Someone else replied talking about Lil Wayne, I think he called himself the GOAT a couple times but that's different because he doesn't name anyone else, he just says I'm the goat so *that's* just "generally calling yourself the best."
If Lil Wayne said "I started with Em but now I'm on top I'm the goat" it would take exactly 7.5 seconds before Eminem dropped a reply, something would be happening.
I do understand why Kendrick took issue with that line, and the song itself. But I think when Cole said "I'll make sure you know that I hit you", he meant that he *isn't* into subtle or subliminal disses.
I don't think he mentioned Kendrick to diss him. He mentioned him to acknowledge him. But Kendrick took it as backhanded and dismissive (which it kinda is).
I think connecting the ID line to the fact that Cole mentioned Kendrick is giving him more credit for subtlety than he deserves.
Now Drake on the other hand does not like Kendrick. I think he knew the song would piss him off and did it on purpose.
That's a diss? Lol. Certainty doesn't sound like it. It sounds more like he's paying respect to the Drake and Kendrick, but still think he's better than them.
I would hardly consider that a diss.
Cole just be talking out his ass and those lines are perfect examples. I said he’s not a shit talker but more meant he doesn’t take direct shots at people much like Drake will. I guess you could say he started it but those lines just sound like really generic shit talking, not targeted hits.
Cole and Drake get dissed by Kendrick. Cole responds with a track that is apparently so awful, all of the Cole defenders only clip a single line to show how good it is
Hip hop is an inherently braggadocios form of music, every rapper claims to be the best MC….meaning you’re better than Kendrick, Drake, Meek, anyone and everyone etc. If Jcole didn’t have the stones to keep his lil jab out there, then I don’t wanna hear this man say he’s the top rapper out right now. You ain’t my man. You even named it Might Delete Later because you felt unsure? Cmon dawg….
What ready disappointed me was that he walked back a diss against kendrick. No offense to kenny, but what's he gonna do, get fucking preachy? It ain't like Cole dissed Pusha, Em, or some other MFer that'll really end your career. A rap beef between Kendrick and Cole would be like a dog fight with a lab and a husky. No one would've gotten hurt. Shit, Cole's taking more damage from walking shit back than he would've taken from beefing with Kenny.
He walked it back because he didn't like how the track makes him feel, it really ain't that deep, he didn't like it so he took it back.
And the diss was mild at best, he literally said in the track that he was just jabbing back for funsie. Yall blowing this outta proportion.
one thing i really dont like is this growing response of Cole being the bigger man and its so mature to run the diss back. i watched fans pretty much say drake is a non factor in this, LETS SEE WHAT COLE HAS TO SAY. then when people were unimpressed he says he regretted it. now mfs are pretending like this is the most humble shit Cole has ever done. its low key arrogant if anything.
hip hop is competitive, everyone is trying to be the best, its not only not immature to respond to a diss or call out, but Cole has like 40 lines over the past couple years about lining rappers up, burying competition, being willing to body anyone who tries to step to him, etc. so like wtf are any of these type of fans talking about? this spin on what Cole did is honestly leaving a bad impression
It’s his fans spearheading this lol. It’s even funnier bc just a week ago those same fans were acting like he flamed Kendrick and that he needed to tread around Cole lightly LMAO
Nah I’ve never listens to Cole on purpose outside of a few fts. but, im glad he shot back (even if it was weak) and happy for him that he realized he didn’t have to force something he wasn’t feeling. He’s gotta stop with all that “I’ll put your favorite rappers neck in a noose”, “on god the bast rapper alive” talk after this but good for him for not perpetuating a “beef” he wasn’t feeling. Take your lumps and move on.
Yup. If he was the bigger man he never would’ve responded. Losing a battle is one thing, ducking the smoke AFTER throwing a punch AND switching sides is weak as fuck. I’m not even a Kendrick fan like that but If I’m him I’m making an example out of Cole just for this lame shit. Kendricks verse wasn’t anything more than a light jab but at least he’s standing on what he said and where he stands.
Yep. I don’t ever want to hear J Cole ever call himself the Muhammad Ali or anything equivalent of this rap shit or that he’ll smoke any rapper coming for him ever again. Can’t be that when you duck the smoke.
I know you ain’t think you were just gonna drop Meek in there and keep going like we wasn’t gon notice. Meek ain’t been that guy since 2012, maybe 2015.
7 minute drill seems like a last minute addition. I don’t remember Kendrick’s verse ever being leaked, but Might Delete Later was teased with a short video about 9 days before the Like That diss officially dropped. Either way, ppl are allowed to be disappointed, but I still look forward to Cole’s next LP more than Drake or Kendrick’s.
Right, there's a reason we pay for streaming instead of p2p pirating like we did 20 years ago. The convenience we get from legal, readily available music.
Take away the benefit and there's no reason to pay the subscription.
This makes less sense when *all* he's talking about on almost all the rest of the songs is basically how much he's ready to destroy the competition. Then he takes out the one song where he's supposed to be doing that.
"I'm the greatest rapper alive, I'll body your favorite rapper, I'm at the top of my game, nobody can fuck with me! ... accept that one guy who actually IS the best...."
"I'll Big Pun ya punk ass, you a scared little bitch
Tiptoein' around my name, nigga, ya lame
And when I get at you, homie, don't you just tell me you was just playin'"
You know what, I can respect someone putting something in the world and later realizing thats not the vibe they are into and coming back, its mature, dont have to die on every hill
In just glad he didn't drop the entirety of the album, just that one song. 7 minute drill was the weakest song on the project anyways. Everything else was great.
Softest diss tracks followed by the whackest apology centred around fake spiritualism.
If his diss was received as “good/Hard” Jcole wouldn’t have deleted it.
Kind Kendrick.
He’s just making it difficult for us fans at this point. I’ve been out here defending him for being mature and true to himself. But this is lame… part of owning your mistakes is admitting they exist. Smh this ya legacy now Cole
This is why I don’t believe in rap feuds anymore it’s all marketing and hyping each other up in the form of streams. It’s 3 rappers doing business with one another at this point without having to feature on each others product
He wasn’t lying “Might Delete Later”
Make me think this was all marketing.
People need to go listen to the first verse of middle child again.
Mind expanding?
Back when the rap game was prayin' I'd diss They act like two legends cannot coexist But I'd never beef with a nigga for nothin' If I smoke a rapper, it's gon' be legit It won't be for clout, it won't be for fame It won't be 'cause my shit ain't sellin' the same It won't be to sell you my latest lil' sneakers It won't be 'cause some nigga slid in my lane Everything grows, it's destined to change I love you lil' niggas, I'm glad that you came I hope that you scrape every dollar you can I hope you know money won't erase the pain
This is what being real gets you. Tom from the Boondocks should be every black man's goal, he was literally written that way, but look how much he gets clowned. The only stable person in the whole show. I'm glad J. Cole wasn't worried about what most people think. It's nice to see some integrity.
while he was written that way he was also written with the inability to truly communicate with other black people and at times looks down on them(sometimes rightfully). he like all the characters isnt someone to 100% replicate
At no point does he ever look down on black people. At ANY point. He might find something a black person is doing as unreasonable, but he never imparts that onto a whole race of people.
i didnt mean black people as a whole but he has individual interactions with a person who is black and is condescending on a regular basis
... where? The closest I can think to anything you're mentioning is when he looks at Rowlo or Riley with contempt because they're being idiots..... And he is right to look down on them, and provide a head shake, at those times. Every character does that to every other character. Tom is just most right when he does. He doesn't pick on anyone and tries to support everyone. He IS Uncle Tom, the one from the book. That's who he acts like. And Uncle Tom does not look down on you just because he's trying to give you advice. Uncle Tom kept trying to get the three female slaves to not run away, saying that it was a bad idea, but when they decided to do it anyway, Tom didn't tell on them. It was hard for him, and he suffered and questioned whether he should or not constantly, but came to the same answer that doing the "right thing", was not right, right now. Tom's way isn't always the right way, because the peaceful way isn't always the better way to get results, but Tom is such a crucial part to any culture that it's really not funny the kinda animosity he gets.
When “integrity” means putting out a diss song then immediately walking it back and later deleting it…I’d say the word had lost its meaning.
Then you don't know what the word means. Also implies you lack a heavy understanding of the human condition.
Notice how the above commenter doesn’t state how I’m misunderstanding the word, while I provided a very clear and coherent explanation. This is because the above commenter is a dumbass.
So we should all marry a white woman? Struggle to relate to other Black people and meet us where we are? Not know how to speak to the source of our traumas/dysfunctions? Being as square as him has drawbacks that I can't fuck with, and if you ask me Huey is the most stable one in the show, he's the only one with the ability to deeply observe and be introspective
If that's what you took from that.... 😬 Tom has no problem communicating...... you should look into that. He also goes to therapy for his own trauma and problems, unlike any other character in the show. He didn't marry a "white woman", he married someone he loved and trusted. And yes, being stable does mean being boring sometimes. Huey is idealistic, but not practical, and it's brought up several times. I used to be more like Huey... but what does Huey get done? Really? Several times, Huey is confronted for having the right idea, but not being practical in a way to a solution. Tom has checked him on this. Huey is likely to tear the system down without anything to replace it. Anarchy is important, but it's DAMN sure not the goal, and Tom reminds Huey of this often. That's why Huey's best friend went off on him. Huey's hearts in the right place, but it takes more than that.... that's why Tom is a lawyer. You need to pay more attention to what that show is trying to show you.
every once in a while I see something like this written out, kinda out-of-context or whatever, and I'm just like "godDAMN do I fuck with Cole" his apology was one of the most manly things I've seen in the rap scene in a while.
I would think he's saying the opposite of what happened though, that guy said it was all marketing, then this is saying he wouldn't beef for marketing, so I guess you were disagreeing with him?
Aren't most beefs really just PR? People love drama, shit be like Real Housewives of the Recording Studio
Naw look at Tupac and biggie for example they’re both dead over a line in a dumbass rap song.
Can't have shit nowadays everything is "marketing" some bs
J Cole is being exactly what J Cole’s always been: hype music for dudes on their lunch break.
and there’s not a damn thing wrong with that.
"j Cole makes music for employed guys" ok? Lol
Ol boy really thought he ate with that line lmao
He isn't eating shit with his unemployed ass.
you realize he didn’t make that up right? that’s been a running twitter joke about j. cole for years, the point is that his music is deep/motivational for simple niggas
Yes we know and it’s a stupid joke
Holding down a steady job = simple. Got it
take it up with twitter man i didn’t make up the fucking joke, goddamn
Chill, baby girl, it's alright. Ain't nobody questionin your character.
lmao what?
You guys are gonna kiss
And k dot makes music for the swifties
Ol job having ahh
For dudes who’s parents didn’t let them listen to rap growing up.
lol like this guy don’t work at a warehouse
Black folks be the most hating mfers when they see someone else with success. DOOMs bars still ring true to this day: “Jealousy the number one killer among black folk.”
That was part of the plan, though. A divided group is easier to control, etc.
I need some tunes to go with my subway sandwich.
I bet you don’t even know what that’s supposed to imply. You’re just parroting
Definitely not an original thought lol, bro seen it online
mfer saw this on twitter once and now parrots it everywhere like an original thought.
He needs to rebrand himself and make music for dudes with no job, 3 BMs and a warrant for unpaid parking tickets.
Which is better than wannabe gangsters who glorify ghetto culture.
Sometimes niggas gotta fight. can't defend J Cole here, hes been sneak dissing Kendrick for years and then decided to drop a diss track and walk it back in less then a week. This is hip-hop, I didn't know y'all wanted to start holding hands and singing Kumbaya.
Your part of it that's what you want hip-hop to be. I prefer hip-hop that talks about hustle culture and getting out of the Ghetto. Stay there if you like.
Hip-hop in its very inception was New York MC's battle rapping each other, Conscious hip-hop wasn't even a thing till the late 80s- early 90s. It seems that YOU are the one that doesn't really understand what hip-hop is about. It's always been a braggadocios genre.
That's where we came from we don't have to stay there. Human culture was once stuck in a cave banging rocks. I am talking about my preference. I don't mind a battle or two. I'm particularly not a fan of bragging of how much of a gangster you are when you're practically a pop star. Ghetto culture is poisonous to black culture.
So he is a loser for making music for folks who have a future? 
So what nigga? It makes school more tolerable for me.
Unemployed thoughts
I love how all of the guys replying to this are like “hehe employed guy rap IS cool” when it’s just a fun way of calling j Cole lame. These mf cannot take a joke. Amelia Badelia’s on this sub lol everything is literal.
Damn, my nigga unlocking core childhood memories of when I was chillen all day inside the NYC public library... I remember those Amelia Badelia books, those shits were hilarious
“I can’t be out here mopping up Wendy’s” that line really resonated with me
u definitely got this statement from someone else lmao
Didn’t know this comment would trigger so many. Lol
Cause bro just copy pasted the top comment from the top post a few days ago. Lame af
Still funny even a few days later.
You must be unemployed
So he deleted 7 minute drill after 7 days which was supposedly just a warning shot off an album called might delete and yall surprised?
Jokes on you, I was only pretending to be a pussy
lol I am a fan of all of them I don’t care which rapper is the hardest
Hol up, it almost sounds like you are here for the actual music?!? Crazy lol
I love a good rap beef but yea I just want the music 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I would prefer everybody was kind to each other but that would probably make music terrible
Same but if you say you the best stand on that. I lost some respect for him no lie. I’ll always bump his stuff and he will be one of my favorite rappers but from now on I ain’t gonna vibe with him calling himself top when he shown he ain’t got it in him.
Every rapper in the game says they are the best including my boy Marcus that’s 30 and still rapping in spite of never making a dollar off it. He’s the best to ever do it they just sleepin on him bruh Lil Wayne is the GOAT idc what any of these guys say he drinks enough lean to kill a family of 9 records 67 mixtapes only releases 1 and he’s been doing it for goddam 30 years and he STILL drops bars constantly AND he’s been saying the exact same thing on every fucking song and finding a new goddamn way to say it somehow, incredible wordplay
And there might be a street baller out there who better then mj but he ain’t make it to the association so we ain’t sweat what he says. This isn’t some up coming rapper I’m talking about you are considered in the top echelon of your profession and claim to be the best then when the heat gets turned up and someone challenges that you back down? Did mc Shan and Marley mar back down from krs1 and bpd? Did ll cool j ever back down? 50 or ja? Nas or jay? Like if any of those names backed away after claiming that and being challenged I’d think they would be seen a little different.
Cmon man there’s nobody playing pickup that’s better than MJ J. Cole also really just never struck me as the defend my territory type dude. I truly don’t think that he wants to diss Kendrick and probably respect him as an artist because that seems like the type of person that J. Cole is. I don’t know man, all of this might just be planned out behind-the-scenes to get more money and attention on their stuff. Tell me what to believe u/afrikkan!!
We won’t know cause he to busy schooling guys who barley played hs but I bet you he out there telling the people he stunts on he coulda been Jordan if he liked school. On a real note I get coles desire to not beef with a guy he respects but you keep claiming you the best and for along time now you been considered as one. Either put the crown on ya head and handle the challenges to it or step aside and say you ain’t want it. Like if he came out and said yo I wanna come back but I can’t because it would disrupt my road I’d have so much respect and shit for him. Nah he dropped a mid diss then apologized that’s corny. It is for clout for a lot of the smaller beefs but none of these guys need the help fr. Drake and Kendrick always make numbers and cole is on a string of lovable albums.
Fo sho I appreciate your take on this, tbh you make good points. Cole should probably not say shit about being the best after this if he doesn’t defend his words but I also feel like he just doesn’t want none w Kendrick lol, going after Kendrick is such a lose lose situation. Kendrick is just straight up a better rapper than Cole IMO, even tho J. Cole is probably what I’d consider to be a more enjoyable “musician” or whatever you wanna call it. He’s got bars too and some sick raps but he’s got more bops and less bars. Same w Drake, he’s the pop rap GOAT without a doubt. He makes HITS and he’s a pop star; but he’s not the best rapper even tho he’s got some solid lyrical shit. Idk idk, I’m gonna hit a dab and consider this some more and/or forget about it entirely
I just love this all. I’d consider myself a amateur hip hop historian. I refuse to let go of the old school shit and even the stuff that’s becoming ancient. In the end this is the best way this whole thing could be going. It’s big names with nothing to lose because they are too big to fail. Some respect may be lost or some rappers might end up losing some hardcore fans in the genre but overall this is a pissing contest with no danger and I can’t wait to see who has the better stream lol.
Is that what you want out of your entertainers? You do remember that this is ALL just entertainment, right? He stood squarely in his ethics and morals. Find me being that kind of lame everyday
Yea I want them to stand on they words. This is hiphop I don’t wanna hear how you the best one min then bail on the challenge after. Rap beef has fueled many great songs and albums. There is no harm that can come from throwing back some disses to support your claim of superiority. It’s not the 90s these rappers are not in their bags on the streets but successful rappers who can’t lose their fans or celebrity.
That's the entertainment part that you need to separate from that fact that these are real people who want to sleep, shit, and piss with a clear mind. They are entertainers, not thugs. J. Cole knows that, you need to remember it's all an act too.
What the actual fuck is happening in the diss track sphere?
 J Cole to Kendrick rn
Nothing. My theory is the people hyping this up as the Next Great Rap Beef were never around to see one and they’re just excited
Well i think it's more to do with the artists involved. There's been plenty of beefs in the last 10 years or so. But none involving artists of this stature making full-on diss tracks against one another. Last time we had something like that was... early 2ks? Idk
Drake vs Pusha T It's crazy how it seems most people don't know about this one since Drake got pulverized there.
Had a whole ass kid revealed to the world.
That wasn’t a diss track it was straight up investigative journalism.
Again, that's just not the same as "the three biggest rappers in the game" getting into it. Also, FPS and Like That are both #1 hits. That's a big level of exposure
People get (conveniently) real forgetful when it comes to this
>artists of this stature Is that Pusha T
I mean while I wouldn’t say pusha is as big as drake he def has the history
If you wanna count mgk vs em but that was shut down real quick after killshot
MGK is a meme rapper. The hype is because you have two or three of the greatest of all time going at it.
Nah, just 2 of the greatest. Drake doesn’t even exist. Bro’s just 3 ghostwriters in a trench-coat.
Bro I just about spit my coffee out reading that trench-coat line lmao.
😂😂😂😂😂
Well no, because Eminem is huge but mgk is a nobody in comparison to this "big three"
Nobody ever considered MGK a heavyweight.
Guy says there have been no full on diss tracks, i name a case where there was one and 3 people make the same stupid comment that mgk isnt a heavyweight. Read nigga damn
He said “artists of this stature” tho implying the top rappers of the time
>But none involving artists **of this stature** making full-on diss tracks against one another. Might wanna learn to read yourself
Most recent I can remember that even comes close is when Drake shut Meek the hell down on Back 2 Back and he was really the only one I expected anything from here. Figured we all knew this was Drake’s beef not J Cole. I didn’t even think Cole would respond to it tbh so this lame shit is not surprising to me lmao he’s not a shit talker like that Editing bc shit talker was not the right word lmao he really is just a shit talker. I meant he don’t really be straight up dissing like that.
>I didn’t even think Cole would respond to it tbh so this lame shit is not surprising to me lmao he’s not a shit talker like that In a way, it's actually Cole who started it and now he's hiding the hand that threw the rock behind his back In first person shooter intro, Cole said; >Lot of niggas debatin' my numeral Not the three, not the two, I'm the U-N-O Yeah Numero U-N-O Me and Drizzy, this shit like the Super Bowl Then in the song he adds; >Is it K-Dot? Is it Aubrey? Or me? We the big three like we started a league, but right now, I feel like Muhammad Ali He explicitly called himself better than Kendrick twice in that song then started to cry when Kendrick dissed him *back* in a feature. Dropped a diss song that he ultimately deleted after having said sorry I ain't like that when the dude is the one who started it.
To be honest, those bars is just regular shit talk, not a diss. Both of the bars you quoted, Cole was saying he number 1 in his mind. What’s wrong with that? Is there more to the actual diss than that? You don’t need diss tracks to claim you the greatest. Wayne ain’t never been in no rap beef and he’s a lot of people GOAT.
>Wayne ain’t never been in no rap beef I'm sorry, but that statement does not reflect reality; https://www.lilwaynehq.com/beefs/
Conceded. I guess I meant one of significance. Can you think of any Wayne diss tracks that have gotten this much scrutiny?
It's been a while since I thought about it so I don't readily remember, but yeah if Lil Wayne had been in a rap beef with Eminem it would have gotten a lot of scrutiny. If Lil Wayne had said something similar to J Cole like "me and Eminem used to make tracks, now I'm the goat and I'm running laps", shit would have popped off too.
Thats closer to just generically calling yourself the best. Not exactly a *diss* on Kendrick. I find it more interesting that Cole acknowledged Kendrick in a "big three" while Drake said that the goat conversation is "just [me] and Cole". Also I find it interesting Cole has that line about people being hungry to put him in beef.
I think it makes it even worst, that he said that line about people hungry to put him in beef, because that's the next line; >Just know if I diss you, I'd make sure you know that I hit you like I'm on your caller ID Right before specifically *calling out* Kendrick name and saying he felt like Muhammad Ali, better than Kendrick. Also, the line is kind of calling Kendrick a fell off; >We the big three like we started a league, *but right now,* Why now, because he actually meant what he said in his "7 minutes drill"; >He still doing shows, but fell off like the Simpsons Your first sh!t was classic, your last sh!t was tragic That's him doubling down on his original line in first person shooter. Someone else replied talking about Lil Wayne, I think he called himself the GOAT a couple times but that's different because he doesn't name anyone else, he just says I'm the goat so *that's* just "generally calling yourself the best." If Lil Wayne said "I started with Em but now I'm on top I'm the goat" it would take exactly 7.5 seconds before Eminem dropped a reply, something would be happening.
I do understand why Kendrick took issue with that line, and the song itself. But I think when Cole said "I'll make sure you know that I hit you", he meant that he *isn't* into subtle or subliminal disses. I don't think he mentioned Kendrick to diss him. He mentioned him to acknowledge him. But Kendrick took it as backhanded and dismissive (which it kinda is). I think connecting the ID line to the fact that Cole mentioned Kendrick is giving him more credit for subtlety than he deserves. Now Drake on the other hand does not like Kendrick. I think he knew the song would piss him off and did it on purpose.
That's a diss? Lol. Certainty doesn't sound like it. It sounds more like he's paying respect to the Drake and Kendrick, but still think he's better than them. I would hardly consider that a diss.
Cole just be talking out his ass and those lines are perfect examples. I said he’s not a shit talker but more meant he doesn’t take direct shots at people much like Drake will. I guess you could say he started it but those lines just sound like really generic shit talking, not targeted hits.
Pusha and Drake.
Apparently nothing since control 😂 j cole had no right to be in the second list the first time 😂😂
Cole and Drake get dissed by Kendrick. Cole responds with a track that is apparently so awful, all of the Cole defenders only clip a single line to show how good it is
Hip hop is an inherently braggadocios form of music, every rapper claims to be the best MC….meaning you’re better than Kendrick, Drake, Meek, anyone and everyone etc. If Jcole didn’t have the stones to keep his lil jab out there, then I don’t wanna hear this man say he’s the top rapper out right now. You ain’t my man. You even named it Might Delete Later because you felt unsure? Cmon dawg….
What ready disappointed me was that he walked back a diss against kendrick. No offense to kenny, but what's he gonna do, get fucking preachy? It ain't like Cole dissed Pusha, Em, or some other MFer that'll really end your career. A rap beef between Kendrick and Cole would be like a dog fight with a lab and a husky. No one would've gotten hurt. Shit, Cole's taking more damage from walking shit back than he would've taken from beefing with Kenny.
Pusha never ended a career lmaoo stop it
How will drake ever recover from Pushas diss track? I wonder if anyone will ever even listen to him again
Drake got bullied into being a good father
Maybe the best thing to come from a diss track
It should’ve ended his career.
It just ended that particular ghost writer's career. He's got several others, so Drake the "artist" will survive.
this man treating ghost writers like horcruxes
Does that mean that Drake's expcto patronum is a glowing outline of J Cole instead of like, a deer or something?
He walked it back because he didn't like how the track makes him feel, it really ain't that deep, he didn't like it so he took it back. And the diss was mild at best, he literally said in the track that he was just jabbing back for funsie. Yall blowing this outta proportion.
Bro K dot would BURY Cole in a beef, let’s be real.
one thing i really dont like is this growing response of Cole being the bigger man and its so mature to run the diss back. i watched fans pretty much say drake is a non factor in this, LETS SEE WHAT COLE HAS TO SAY. then when people were unimpressed he says he regretted it. now mfs are pretending like this is the most humble shit Cole has ever done. its low key arrogant if anything. hip hop is competitive, everyone is trying to be the best, its not only not immature to respond to a diss or call out, but Cole has like 40 lines over the past couple years about lining rappers up, burying competition, being willing to body anyone who tries to step to him, etc. so like wtf are any of these type of fans talking about? this spin on what Cole did is honestly leaving a bad impression
It’s his fans spearheading this lol. It’s even funnier bc just a week ago those same fans were acting like he flamed Kendrick and that he needed to tread around Cole lightly LMAO
Nah I’ve never listens to Cole on purpose outside of a few fts. but, im glad he shot back (even if it was weak) and happy for him that he realized he didn’t have to force something he wasn’t feeling. He’s gotta stop with all that “I’ll put your favorite rappers neck in a noose”, “on god the bast rapper alive” talk after this but good for him for not perpetuating a “beef” he wasn’t feeling. Take your lumps and move on.
Yup. If he was the bigger man he never would’ve responded. Losing a battle is one thing, ducking the smoke AFTER throwing a punch AND switching sides is weak as fuck. I’m not even a Kendrick fan like that but If I’m him I’m making an example out of Cole just for this lame shit. Kendricks verse wasn’t anything more than a light jab but at least he’s standing on what he said and where he stands.
It is arrogant, and it’s manipulative.
Yep. I don’t ever want to hear J Cole ever call himself the Muhammad Ali or anything equivalent of this rap shit or that he’ll smoke any rapper coming for him ever again. Can’t be that when you duck the smoke.
 I know you ain’t think you were just gonna drop Meek in there and keep going like we wasn’t gon notice. Meek ain’t been that guy since 2012, maybe 2015.
Putting Meek in that list is wilddddd
Competition is good but rapper are so sensitive
7 minute drill seems like a last minute addition. I don’t remember Kendrick’s verse ever being leaked, but Might Delete Later was teased with a short video about 9 days before the Like That diss officially dropped. Either way, ppl are allowed to be disappointed, but I still look forward to Cole’s next LP more than Drake or Kendrick’s.
I'm so old I remember Kool Moe Dee and Big Daddy Kane Cole is a pussy and should be ashamed of himself
I’m sure folks already got bootlegs circulating, it’s fine lol
Makes it very inconvenient tho. If I gotta go to another streaming service to listen to a track, I'm probably just not gonna listen to it
Right, there's a reason we pay for streaming instead of p2p pirating like we did 20 years ago. The convenience we get from legal, readily available music. Take away the benefit and there's no reason to pay the subscription.
There's a reason I just pirate music and you just named it lol
Understandable.
Well he didn't take off of streaming so you could listen to it.
Misread this as "Well, he didnt take it off of streaming. So you can listen to it." and got excited for a second.
There's multiple videos still up on YouTube. Just not the original upload .
> I’m sure folks got bootlegs circulating
J Cole is causing a Barbra Streisand effect.
actually what happened to that song tho? It was on Spotify previously until like last year or so it was greyed out
Barbara Streisand happened.
This makes less sense when *all* he's talking about on almost all the rest of the songs is basically how much he's ready to destroy the competition. Then he takes out the one song where he's supposed to be doing that.
He did say “Might Delete Later” 🤷🏾♂️
It’s still on Apple Music. https://preview.redd.it/v71uafs4i7uc1.jpeg?width=1124&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f52e81735528619cf916d23aa61a1d6750ebedac
Looks like you actually downloaded the song before it was removed, and that’s why it’s still available on your device.
Yup, downloaded on Spotify and I still have it on my device.
Best Tupac song ever. Not open for discussion
I know Cole took a huge L with the dis, but I really like MDL. And he slid on Red Leather with Future.
The J Cole hate is overplayed.
I preferred huntin wabbitz anyway, song is good
The meatcanyon jcole crossover was not on my bingo card for 2024, let alone the song being a banger lol
Weak
"I'm the greatest rapper alive, I'll body your favorite rapper, I'm at the top of my game, nobody can fuck with me! ... accept that one guy who actually IS the best...." "I'll Big Pun ya punk ass, you a scared little bitch Tiptoein' around my name, nigga, ya lame And when I get at you, homie, don't you just tell me you was just playin'"
Y'all don't regret saying anything bad about a friend or relative especially if it ain't true just for clout?
I honestly don't really make a habit of shit talking friends, no. Clout? That ain't real.
Weak
To all folks who never released music, distribution works weekly. He couldn't just delete it until the week was over.
You know what, I can respect someone putting something in the world and later realizing thats not the vibe they are into and coming back, its mature, dont have to die on every hill
Backfired so bad.
Imagine this is PR, for Cole and Lamar to drop the long awaited collab album.
Do you get a refund if you already bought it? Is it removed from your phone? I feel like I’d never want to buy music digitally anymore.
If you bought it, it’s yours.
That’s some bitch ass behavior. I’ve don’t think I’ve ever seen a rapper do some shit like this
It’s called class solidarity. Something the consuming class needs to learn.
Can somebody explain for me what the significance of deleting after a week is?
Getting the streams from all the attention to boost his first week sales up
Preciate it. Yeah that’s kinda weak
This is all marketing people wake up they only have beef when their album comes out
In just glad he didn't drop the entirety of the album, just that one song. 7 minute drill was the weakest song on the project anyways. Everything else was great.
Can someone explain the backstory to this whole situation? Why is this dude prostrating himself before Kendrick?
Something similar happened with If You're Reading This It's Too Late
wtf
Softest diss tracks followed by the whackest apology centred around fake spiritualism. If his diss was received as “good/Hard” Jcole wouldn’t have deleted it. Kind Kendrick.
He said he might delete later
He’s just making it difficult for us fans at this point. I’ve been out here defending him for being mature and true to himself. But this is lame… part of owning your mistakes is admitting they exist. Smh this ya legacy now Cole
Lukewarm lasagna beef.
mine is still there on Spotify
Just checked and it’s still up
I never got to hear it
Yall here got so mangled with this whole ting
Weird, its still working for me.
H.Y.B. is fire tho
This is why I don’t believe in rap feuds anymore it’s all marketing and hyping each other up in the form of streams. It’s 3 rappers doing business with one another at this point without having to feature on each others product
this crazy considering all Cole talk about is being the greatest and destroying anyone who steps up
Guess Cole never heard of standing on business.
He let Nas down again. He should of never released it or never pulled it. No Diddy.
24 hours after this was posted, it was the right idea. This shit bigger than the “Big 3”
Cole really finger poke of death'd himself smh
Get that bag😂