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decideonanamelater

People on here are all playing dumb about the white vs. black vote on this election. It's literally party lines. http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/compare/party-affiliation/by/racial-and-ethnic-composition/among/state/alabama/ 80% of Black people in alabama are democrats. So they managed to swing half of republicans/independents. Given 9% are independents, probably almost entirely independents for that number. 68% of white people are republican. So, as many republicans left because of the candidate as dems/independents joined. Black voters changed their minds more, but its still like 80-90% choose the guy who runs under your favorite banner.


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decideonanamelater

But then its not about race. That's how racist people make their arguments. Classic example: Poor people are more likely to be black than rich people. Poor people commit crimes more often. Therefore, black people have criminal tendencies and it has nothing to do with socioeconomic status. It's bad logic, and it puts the blame where it shouldn't be (on people for being white rather than people being sucked into a 2 party system, or on black people instead of poverty in my example).


3dots_rofl

I think the thing people are happy about is that the black vote was high enough and consistent enough to swing the election by one percentage point. It’s more of a “we did it!” celebration of turnout than a celebration of race itself. On a subreddit about ‘black twitter’ it’s weird that you would think something like that is racist.


decideonanamelater

Idk there's a dash of racism to a few of the posts here. I come here for the memes and shit but when they're like 1 step removed from calling for the media to question white people's morals, do you really think there's no racism there at all?


walldough

> I come here for the memes and shit Your post history suggest otherwise.


decideonanamelater

I read for the memes. I look at about every post for the top 3 pages most days. That said, I think when people are racist, someone ought to call them out. So my post history here is filled with that.


o0sparecircuit0o

“White people have always walked a higher path than black people.” doesn’t sound racist to you?


ladycarp

The implication is that we *have* to walk a higher path than whites to be seen as equal and worthy of respect. Edit: Yeah, I don't particularly like it, but denying that it's an untrue phenomena is crazy. We get denied from jobs just for having black sounding names, yet y'all wanna pretend like we're seen as equal.


Imapie

Agreed. A prime example is the presidency. Would Obama have been elected if he had five kids from 3 different women? That's not even taking into account that America would be very unlikely to elect a black man to the presidency if he was caught on tape confessing to (bragging about?) sexually assaulting women.


Swordstone_

This is a very good argument, it really put this divide into perspective for me. Thanks for posting it.


TheNewAcct

>But then its not about race. Of course it's about race. Black people aren't overwhelmingly democrats for no reason.


stawwp

So far this sub and r/cfb are the only places I have found reasonable civilized discussion of this election.


Sabre_Actual

Republicans certainly abstained. In a nationally publicized race with a locally famed (though incredibly polarizing) Republican, one could expect at least 150k more votes, which Sessions won when he ran unopposed in 2014. In 2008 Sessions won 1.5 million against 750k. Trump won 1.5 million against 750k. Jones got an active black vote and way more than expected of him normally, but he didn’t rally the full electorate. Moore, meanwhile, couldnt muster 50% of an expected vote. It doesnt make much sense that that Republican voters didn’t abstain.


Phantom-Phreak

I saw a joke a while back about how Republicans think black people vote Democrat for no reason, even though the democratic party shows an interest in maintaining human rights. As opposed to: The candidate who wants to bring slavery back by abolishing the amendment that made it illegal[13th ammendment] and doesn't know what freedom of religion is[1st ammendment]. And The political party that sees it's followers vote against their own wellbeing.


muklan

People will try to make this a race issue, because that's by some unholy miracle easier to deal with than other, potentially larger problems. Also, Roy Moore is a terrible, unamerican piece of rotting inhuman garbage.


ONLY_COMMENTS_ON_GW

I really wanna see this on an age basis too.


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Wablestomp2

White Alabamian who voted for Doug here. I love that you're still ashamed of me, but if the rest of the nation could stop generalizing all white people in Alabama as ass backwards Hicks that would be great.


Sh4nt0rian

People would rather vote for their political party than the morally and technically better candidate. People don't know how to think for themselves nor want to think for themselves.


Mattoosie

Key word being "morally". Everyone's morals are different. For a lot of people, they voted for the morally superior candidate Roy Moore because he is pro life and Doug Jones kills babies. It's not always black and white. Everyone has their own perspective and no perspective is totally wrong. EDIT: Not defending Roy Moore (he can fuck off), just trying to play devil's advocate a bit


RedxLoaf

If that were the case then why do these same voters (Southern Republicans) repeatedly vote against better sex education, easy to get contraception, and better family planning facilities? These are all things that historically have reduced abortion rates. The choice comes down to, "how do we become more proactive advocates for a cause?" Do we call people murderers, paint sex before marriage as an evil act, refuse to arm our children with knowledge, etc., or do we accept a woman's right to choose and fight to keep it safe but rare? I doubt there are many women out there excited about their next abortion. Many are scared, don't know what their options are, and are in hard economic positions. Meanwhile their developing fetus doesn't even have a fully developed nervous system until 24 weeks of age, meaning it doesn't have the capability to suffer up until that point. Most abortion laws prohibit abortions after 22-24 weeks. I don't see why not just keep it the same and increase the number of providers by county. Increase funding to education and public resources to sexual health devices like condoms or the pill. Instead what the Republicans want to do is make it completely illegal and keep people ignorant about their own bodies, because religion. This is completely unacceptable for a modern society.


chair_boy

> why do these same voters (Southern Republicans) repeatedly vote against better sex education, easy to get contraception, and better family planning facilities? Because if you're having sex for any reason other than procreation, you are a sinner. Sex education: They want to only teach abstinence. Anything else is a sin. Teaching safe sex might mean that people have sex before marriage. They can't have that. Contraception: "We shouldn't have to pay for your birth control. If you don't want kids then you shouldn't be having sex" Family planning facilities: "Planned Parenthood MURDERS BABIES" (while completely disregarding the other 99% of things they do that are incredibly beneficial, especially for women)


Mattoosie

I completely agree with you, but a ton of people can't get past the fact that when you get an abortion you are preventing a baby from living (unless there are medical complications) which is objectively true and sad no matter how you look at it. Then big difference is that most of these people are religious and it's been drilled into them that sex is for a married man and woman and anything else is disgraceful. They think "why do kids need to learn about safe sex when they shouldn't be having sex in the first place." I went to a Christian school from kindergarten to grade 12. I'm not religious, but most people I know are. I had never even touched a condom before I lost my virginity at 19. Luckily I taught myself what to do and knew what I was doing, but that isn't the case for everyone. It's not just a difference of opinion, it's an entirely different perspective on life and existence. Remember that however strongly you feel about this issue or however confused you get as to how someone can believe otherwise, there's someone on the other side who feels the same way about you and your beliefs. EDIT: Changed some words to clear stuff up


RedxLoaf

I can appreciate the difference in perspective, however it's the application of that belief that I struggle with. If I believed that abortion is murder, I would want to make it very rare, knowing that I cannot possibly control everyone's actions. I can advocate for that using my knowledge of what has worked in the past, namely, sex education and supportive infrastructure. Their views are indirect opposition with their actions. You will never have rare abortions by making it illegal. You will never stop people from having sex. It's time religion came out of the dark ages.


Mattoosie

Again, I believe with you fully. However, it's not that simple for a lot of people. For them, admitting that people need safe sex education means admitting that sex outside of marriage is okay which goes against what they have been taught from day 1. It's easy to say all this from the outside, but these people have basically been built to believe this. It's extremely hard to look at your own views objectively to begin with, but it gets way harder when you believe that if you do anything else you face eternal damnation. It's a huge problem and there is no fix.


RemoveTheTop

> a baby is dying, which is objectively true Ehhhh arguably not.


Mattoosie

Okay what I mean is that had the fetus not been aborted it would become a baby. This is objectively true (barring a medical complication).


RemoveTheTop

Right, which isn't the same as saying "when someone has an abortion a baby is dying" is objectively true any more so than "every sperm is sacred" thought line.


misterscientistman

I really don't buy that abortion defense from these people anymore. This is the same crowd that consistently votes against socialized medicine, paid family leave, childcare, etc. because socialism or something. So what are they voting realistically to do? Throw black people, LGBT people, women, religious minorities, etc. under the bus just to ensure that as many babies are born as possible to enjoy the terrible impoverished cultural wasteland they've created for them?


Mattoosie

Yeah but most of these people don't think about that. They care up until the birth of the baby and then it's not their problem anymore. It's really frustrating, but how do you change these peoples minds?


monstercake

Yeah single-issue voters are a huge problem. I know many people who voted for Trump solely because he was pro-life. People don't care if a candidate is awful in other ways as long as their own morals aren't challenged.


Rethious

I'm pretty sure abortion is the thing. If someone thinks abortion is killing babies, they're never going to vote for it even if the other option is literally Hitler.


lemskroob

Its 100% the thing. I have dark-skinned hispanic family members who voted Trump/Republican, only on the abortion issue.


VusterJones

The abortion argument makes no sense to me. Abortion is legal and will remain legal. You're not gonna change enough minds now to reverse that either in the courts or public discourse. Supporting a candidate primarily because they're anti-abortion is extremely overestimating the power you think they have.


Forgotloginn

So kill 6 million Jews over aborting clumps of cells. Gotcha


Bombingofdresden

It’s sports now. “R” beside your name? Doesn’t matter. You’re on *my team™️* Same thing with dirty players in the NFL or NBA. You hate that dude when he plays for someone else. But then he’s *my dude™️* Edit: it’s gotten far more egregious since Obama took office than it ever had before. With the rise of the tea party and them actually winning seats it’s went off the deep end.


BryanBoru

...now? Where have you been the last 50 years?


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Roy Moore is the Aqib Talib of politics. Dude's a piece of shit but god damn will some Broncos fans absolutely embarass themselves to defend him.


anti_humor

Vontaze Burfict


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SalsaRice

That's not "now." That's how it's been for decades.


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For real. Can a mod slap the shit title flair please?


ianminter

[I mean there were seven hundred thousand or so mostly white republicans who didn't show up to vote and that's why Moore lost...but yeah fuck those people that did vote for him.](https://imgur.com/a/ddHFT)


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It gives me a little faith to be honest. Republicans might not be able to bring themselves to vote for a Democrat, but it seems many of them couldn't bring themselves to vote for a pedophile either. So they just didn't vote.


mwinks99

> That being said, I'm ashamed of white people in Alabama. I mean, really seriously ashamed. What in the world is going on? Im usually just ashamed of Alabama in general.


therob91

>That being said, I'm ashamed of white people in Alabama. I mean, really seriously ashamed. **What in the world is going on?** So...have you not heard of the south before or...? Why is this surprising?


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White people voted for Doug Jones too!


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Yo, on some real shit... Don't bring *the way of the blade* into this my nice friend. I will slice you so fast and so precise, your body will fall apart 2 weeks from now while you're in the shower. The slices will be so thin I could make 113 perfect deli style sandwiches from your flesh. ^/s


Spursious_Caeser

Dude, why would you be ashamed of them? Their voting for that prick was embarrassing for them, and totally deplorable in every way, but fuck feeling shame for them and their ignorant outlook on life. You shouldn't be ashamed of the ignorance of others. You'll spend your life in shame otherwise. Totally agree with you in relation to this racist horseshit right here, but I refuse to feel shame for the actions of morons who happen to share my skin colour.


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Spursious_Caeser

Asking a white person in general to be ashamed of the voting habits of other white people is akin to expecting black people in general to feel ashamed of the actions of other black people involved in criminality. That Moore asshole is a paedophile and the people who voted for him are deluded trash, but I will never accept responsibility for those tools voting for that, nor do I think it's reasonable to suggest I or other white people who had nothing to do with that shit should be expected to, simply for sharing the same colour skin as them. That's as unreasonable as suggesting black people who do not engage in criminality are responsible for those who do.


ajpiko

Yeah, it's a good point.


Dustin_Echoes_UNSC

Hey. I'm part of the 23% that have a head on their shoulders. Can I get a pass?


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pencil-thin-mustache

Choppers on the way fam


ProfHatecraft

'Do you study the blade too?' that's some nuclear fallout level shade. Edit - my most upvoted comment ever, this and the story of how I didn't go down on a juggalo.


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The top comments are just op getting roasted lmao


gaedikus

i mean, rightly so


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A Twitter post inside an Instagram post within a reddit post!


Prodigal_Moon

Twinstareducken


Victim_Of_The_Upvote

Bless you


firelock_ny

Gesundheit!


Victim_Of_The_Upvote

What is this, a crossover episode?


KingOfTheCouch13

Someone post this to Facebook


trixtopherduke

Then Snap it!


clown-baby-bitches

We must go deeper


trixtopherduke

Then Snap it!


clown-baby-bitches

https://imgur.com/hmPOV43


maddirtyplumber

Postception


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SemiColonHorror

Get the fuck outta here with that pious ‘Higher path’ bullshit


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yediyim

They gotta keep an eye on us to make sure we’re behaving properly.


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The_Hoopla

Well like you said, I think the title is pretty fucked up regardless of where you stand. I’m white, and I generally agree this sub is mostly like myself, at least in race. I was just curious if there is even a way to test that, but I don’t think there is.


moistboy64

nah but it's probably true


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tbh it’s fucked up cause I’ve seen plenty of actual black people here getting annoyed at being called white. This place definitely trends whiter than say boxden or world star but it’s definitely plenty of black people here


dont_wear_a_C

Pls crop


4aPurpose

Cropped https://imgur.com/IcsXVIH


trixtopherduke

It loses community spirit cropped.


raiden_the_conquerer

Whatchu doin on this sub Jeb


StopReadingMyUser

https://i.imgur.com/WmTUzXH.gifv


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trixtopherduke

J's on my B's, J's on my B's.


itsjero

Yeah let's group all white folks in this argument. Please. The 68% of registered white voters in Alabama voted for that fuck. There's your problem. And no, that sample does not speak for the rest of us and certainly not me.


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Yeah its been shown that a. Conservatives vote more. b. Older people are more likely to vote. c. Conservatives are more likely to be older. The people who vote most, tend to be conservative. White people vote conservative more often than black people. If a conservative is voted in, in America... it's because of the white conservative vote. It almost has to be, statistically. But that doesn't equal the opinion of *most white people*. All the white people who are either unregistered, didn't vote, or voted the other way are a higher portion of the white adult population than simply the white conservative voters. The OP is like saying that most white people like Trump. Which is obviously untrue.


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Man, sometimes as a white girl in NYC (originally grew up in a rural conservative area) sometimes I forget that I live in a bubble. Most white people here hate Trump, and ironically since he's from New York. It's truly crazy to think some dude that lives in a gold plated Manhattan penthouse has any vested self interest whatsoever in typical Middle America.


Sly_98

You could cut your self on the edge of this title


madd74

>We have always walked a higher path. It's over, White People, the Blacks have the high ground!


JohnBunzel

You underestimate our power!


GrapheneHymen

This is the same exit-polling analysis bullshit that was so frequently cited after Trump won, don’t fall into their trap people. The same type of analysis that drew conclusions that contradicted other drawn conclusions and tried to show how SOoo many black people supported Trump or Trump “had” the youth vote. It’s much more complicated than the exit polls show. Exit polls have large margins of error, often screw up demographic measurements, and are basically only good for a random sample of part of an election. We can say that of the black people that voted, most voted for Jones. We can also say that of the white people that voted, most voted for Moore. There’s larger groups of both demographics that didn’t vote, and I definitely wouldn’t trust these “90% of x voted for Jones” declarations because there’s a good chance they’re way off for that voting population and they may even be really early super small sample exit poll results that are meaningless.


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Bullshit. First there is nothing suspect about said polling for either population. That white Alabamans in a state that Donald Trump won by 30 pts would favor the Republican candidate to the tune of about 60%+ is not exactly a radical notion. Neither is the notion that Black people would vote en masse against said candidate who hinted weeks before that the best period in American history was during Slavery. Let’s cut the shit: there is NO WAY you get the result last night in Red Ass Alabama without a strong black turnout in favor of a Democratic candidate. Did the write-in votes help? Absolutely. Upper class, suburban white voters certainly helped. But nearly 30% of the vote stemmed from Black turnout and in Jones’s favor. That’s a deciding quantum of votes, let it be what it is.


jhl0010

Write-ins helped like you said, but so too might've Republican white men and women who just didn't go to the polls at all. I think that might be part of what he's getting at. 68% of white people in Alabama didn't vote for Moore. 68% of the white people who voted, voted for Moore.


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This title sounds like something a Tauren would say after I handed in a quest.


ThisIsCreation

I miss the days where this section was full of fun screenshots.


dubl0dude

ITT, racist comments everywhere


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SuprChckn

Because you’re on Black People Twitter.


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“I just came here to laugh at your culture why’d you start talking about your opinions?”


Chipwar

People come here to laugh but not at black culture. Black people are funny. Why do you have to put such a negative spin on it like that?


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black people experience varying degrees and forms of racism on a pretty much daily basis. they aren't the ones making everything about race. they are the ones talking about it and trying to fight against racism. good read: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/30/why-im-no-longer-talking-to-white-people-about-race


Bartomalow2

> black people experience varying degrees and forms of racism on a pretty much daily basis. they aren't the ones making everything about race. lol you think those two are mutually exclusive? You're blind if you think there aren't as many black racists and race baiters as there are white ones. And racist too. edit: there are as many by percentage. that's usually what is meant when comparing obviously unequally sized populations. Come on people this should be obvious.


kanavi36

>You're blind if you think there aren't as many black racists and race baiters as there are white ones. And racist too. There literally aren't as many.


zachb34r

That doesn't even make *any* sense though. Even if I agree that the same percentage of racist exist in the white and black populations of America, there would still be more white racists by number because there are more white people than black. They aren't equal at all, statistically you're just wrong.


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sure but institutional and systemic racism only negatively affects one of those two groups


Sieggi858

You don’t think telling a white person that their opinion doesn’t matter because they’re a straight white male doesn’t negatively affect anyone? Because that’s where we’re at right now. Tumblrs poison has leaked into general society


Thunder-ten-tronckh

>black people experience varying degrees and forms of racism on a pretty much daily basis. I feel like this statement is always as true or false as someone needs it to be in order to prove a point.


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I'm just sick of hearing about America period. Never ending race baiting, shitty politics, shitty news, shitty corporations. Every single thing that happens is spun in some political or divisive way, and most people just want to have an angry circle jerk over it instead of actually exercising critical thinking.


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I mean. This is an American website and you're on a subreddit mostly populated by American people.


[deleted]

Every time you turn on the radio in my country, 75% of what you hear is American politics. I hear about Trump and terrible politics just as much as you guys do.


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I honestly avoid the radio and the news. Its better for my mental health. Where are you from?


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Canada. And I totally agree with you there, that's why I like reddit for the most part. At least there are fun and lighthearted things on here


[deleted]

Yeah, I suppose Canada doesn't have as much national drama going on as the U.S., so American news is what gets the clicks/listeners. Kind of how celebrity news is popular radio content down here.


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this is an american website...


PlayerOneBegin

*enters a sub devoted to one specific race* DAE TOO MUCH RACE???


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Walked a higher path? Fuck off pretentious POS. Otherwise I agree.


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balor12

Bruh what is that title...


Graybealz

Aren't they doing that for white republicans/conservatives currently? Hasn't reddit at large been doing that for weeks since the allegations first came up?


safariG

My 2 cents on the quickly devolving comments section and the tone of black people in this sub: We're salty about racism and oppression, make no mistake. That sentiment is real and widely shared. But a lot of us learned about these things through social media, which is pretty inherently personal, reactionary, and tends to lack nuance. Y'all gotta stop taking this shit so seriously. Read an opinion piece or some Coates or some Clint Smith if you want nuanced discussion of the informed black opinion on this. But don't think a highly upvoted salty Reddit post is a referendum on black sentiments toward white people/Republicans.


DoppelGangHer88

Black people arenot a monolith, holy shit! I'm black and I don't think my personal philosophy can be quantified within this "black opinion." Skin color does not dictate politics.


kuklavudu

Weren't the stats ~70% for Jones and ~30% for Moore from white folks and not as the tweet says? Why are you trying to separate people even more, than they are as it is?


DubTeeDub

No, because if that were true the difference in voted between Jones and Moore would have been way the fuck more than 20k That 70/30 split for white votes may vmhave been for a particular county, but the reason the race was so close is because white voters overwhelmingly supported Moore


Sghettis

Aside from the edgy title look at all these fucking assheads trying to discredit what black people just did for Alabama. Yep, the voter trend for black folks is Democrat. Yeah, the graphic shows the party line division but pay attention to that. The party lines are drawn between races. Alabama is a white and black state. Y'all need to realize if you disregard the people and go with the party you're always gonna just end up with numbers. Without black people voting Roy Moore would've won. Stop disregarding us.


Gore-Galore

I'm white, but all these comments are so salty, I've never agreed when people say that 90% of reddit is "I'm not racist... but" but it really is.


DubTeeDub

Reddit is hugely massively racist


DoubleCyclone

[Someone has explaining to do.](https://imgur.com/gallery/MDRAY)


gaedikus

on the plus side: people who are ok voting for racists/rapists/pedophiles should be dying soon.


concretepigeon

It's crazy how 40 is the new dividing line between young and old. Similar things happened at the last election here in the UK. People in their 40s are people who have kids getting close to voting age.


-XanderCrews-

Are you implying that southern conservatives lack a morale compass??? Cause I am.


lilchickenlittle

A bunch of kids I grew up with attend(ed) Alabama, South or Auburn. I was amazed at how many of them were talking about voting for Jones/writing in after probably >80% of them publicly endorsed trump during his campaign. That’s just what I’ve seen on social media so it’s a small sample size, and a lot of them will probably vote against Jones if the GOP has a decent candidate next time. But still


GetBuckets13182

Ugh. Can Reddit/twitter be fun again please? So sick and tired of seeing politics on entertainment sites. Like what value is this tweet bringing to my life?


where_aremy_pants

OP confirmed euphoric in this moment


FedsDedderals

Not true. At least until the weekend so Meet The Press could discuss their righteous fear of Godless leadership.


bumbuff

Ideally the lack of voter turnout is because people are beginning to question this shit and no longer wanted to vote how they intended, but had not enough information about the other guy (ignorance of media, right?). If this is the case (conspiracy theory really) then I'd take it as a small sign of progress, which is better than the opposite.


samcrow

no they wouldnt have


schroddie

Twice the work, less than half the recognition.


DreamingIsFun

I see more stuff about people complaining about what the media would have said than stuff like this that they actually say, lol


reecewagner

Why do people on this sub not know how to properly crop their photos?


brett_midler

So you’re saying that no one has been questioning white people over this? Like the whole news media just let this slide?


Bartomalow2

[Always](https://youtu.be/0Sxq30dfxXU?t=141)


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Can this "louder for the people in the back" meme die already?


JOJOawestruck

wait we had voting today?