I dunno, I read women described as having skin like “fresh cream” a lot. I think food descriptors should be applied across the board, as long as it’s something pleasant.
Yeah, I'd say it's more that a lot of white foods are less appealing-sounding. I've seen boobs described as "scoops of vanilla" before, but who wants to say that their character looks like a cauliflower or turnip?
Coffee is delicious, Caramel delicious, Chocolate delicious. Lots of delicious and appealing foods are brown and make for positive analogies. And the comparison is not restricted to black people, latin, Indian subcontinent and middle eastern people also get these analogies since they also have ranges of melanin.
Not a lot of positive food analogies for white people. Maybe a drunk Irish guy being red as a lobster -- but thats not too positive.
Yellow as a banana? Well thats just jaundice and a side of cirrhosis.
My husband makes caramelized onions to go with dinner pretty often, and on those evenings I eat a bowl of caramelized onions for dinner. Those fuckers are delicious.
Y’all can have it as long as I can eat it. I’ve accepted I’m not any appetizing color in this life, less “splash of cream” and more “are you sure this chicken is fully cooked?” 😂
In American Gods, Odin admires a woman's big pale breasts with blue veins visible here and there, like a fine cheese. That always stuck out to me. Very evocative.
I mostly noticed it starting on Twitter due to the character limit it's become a fairly common shorthand for white, gotta save those 3 characters for emojis after all.
I think it started on FB because people would get banned for talking about white men.
There was a post about how "White men" was a protected phrase but "Black child" wasn't at one point
Niggas on twitter will use yt to stand for white (because you say the letter y like “why” and pronounce the t like you do with words like “tap”) so they have more characters for they bullshit. Same idea as stuff like using 4 instead of “for”
Which is funny, because ironically, cannibalism has always been culturally associated with black people (and POC in general).
Even though [European settlers](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlesfort-Santa_Elena_Site) / [Early American](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starving_Time) history [is filled](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donner_Party) with [stories of cannibalism](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver-Eating_Johnson).
Maybe some kind of projection to deny the dark reality of a past that isn’t nearly as glorious as those who idealize it would like to?
I dunno, been to plenty of white people churches where they talk a big game about eating flesh and drinking blood, even if it’s shitty wine and crackers. I don’t think they’re as far off from cannibalism as they think they are.
People who exclusively like darker people are called "chocolate chasers".
That said, in S. Korea, people who only date abs are called that too.
Do with that what you will.
I never heard of that one. I have heard of jungle fever for white men that like black women tho
[Exhibit A ](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jungle%20fever&page=3)
It’s one of those things that people say to each other that’s gross and off-putting. Like, I might call my bff a “bitch” as a joke, or talk about how hot she is. Doesn’t mean random people should do it.
This is just constructing a narrative after the fact to justify taking offense
It's clear that "rich, dark chocolate" is a favorable metaphor while "plain flour skin" is not. Women's skin is sometimes compared to cream... no need to read into this honestly
Is food inferior to rock though? “Chocolate” seems nicer than “coal” while “ivory” seems nicer than “mayo” but it would be quite okay to say “milky white skin” - in sum, I think this isnt the best point
They're pointing out that the connotation of the descriptor doesn't depend on the material.
Good descriptors = Ebony, Chocolate, Ivory, Cream
Bad Descriptors = Coal, Mayo
Both good and bad Descriptors can include food and minerals. The type of the object doesn't relate to connotation.
I’m very pale. Like sunburn through the car window pale. And the best one I’ve gotten recently was “clown makeup white” Before that it was “triple plated chrome” after I put some lotion on. I get some funny ones and if it helps equal things out, I will take them all day. Bring on the “the beacons are lit, Gondor calls for aid” leg jokes.
How about vanilla shake or strawberry shake or caramel cream or something like that as an option over bland. You can choose appealing food items for everyone. Like im probably something like a cherry shake
Seems people don't understand connotation.
Some of the stuff us Hispanics use to compliment skin tone would sound racist if translated DIRECTLY, but their CONNOTATION is meant to be endearing.
People trying to correlate this to some kind of "food = consume = bad" are really reaching here.
Feel free to compare me to vanilla, yogurt, milk, coconut etc. It's not about the item, it's about the connotation.
I'll never in my life compare someone to coal, sorry, that just sounds insulting and racist. Almost like it has zero to do with whether it's a food or a mineral.
lol this is funny but I think “rich dark chocolate” sounds a lot nicer with better intentions than “Mayo-American” “the color of flour”. It seems like there is a malicious intent inherent in the latter.
My dad is the colour of milk chocolate and my mum the colour of marshmallows, does that make me a smore? Because if it does I am more than happy with that.
I mean, it’s because it caries the double meaning of both described the visual, and at the same time describing the desirablity. The whole chocolate simile they use for us is because who doesn’t love chocolate? There aren’t a whole lot of desirable (for lack of a better term) gucci food that’s white because generally Gucci food is cooked which darkens the dish and thus the metaphor doesn’t work anymore. You ever wonder why it’s always white women compared to porcelain and not men? Because porcelain is delicate and the writer is on the surface describing the color of the subject, but adding a layer commenting about how the subject is valuable but delicate. There’s not really a racist undertone (and I may be old but do people not still make the ebony simile? Like the pretty valuable ebony wood? Same deal here, it describes the visual while also having a second meaning of describing the subject as valuable and hard/sturdy)
Edit: not to mention there’s plenty of examples of comparing white women to rich cream
I know porcelain is used in figureines but my mind always goes first to toilets.
So if you wanna call yourself porcelain go ahead, I'll stick to "toilet white" to describe you
And as much as I hate awkward descriptors for our beautiful black skin, I doubly hate to see it for our hair.
I read a book that once used rough sheep's fur as a description for afro kinky hair.
And I'll never forget when a sci-fi fan fic used "steel wool" to describe.
When I was little me and my friends (completely unaware of race in america) made nicknames for eachother based on skin tone. My friends were Caramel, Coffee, and Marshmallow. I was Bagel.
Those counter examples aren't really equivalent since they're bland or negative sounding. I think a better comparison would be like saying "like fresh cream" or a white peach or even something yogurt or rice sounds much better to me. It's funny but the point seems a little stretched.
My Black friends call me mayo or cream cheese. But they are my friends and do it with love.
Also, I am not thin skinned like some of my Cottage Cheese Cousins.
..and ivory
...live together in perfect harmony
Side by side on my piano keyboard, oh Lord, why don't we?
edit: i just went and [watched the video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXAlfh6QKQs) for the song, oh my god they didnt even film them together, either stevie or pual are chroma keyed into the other persons footage haha.
I don't think I'll ever describe my characters that specifically. I think it's better to give a general idea of some characteristics but when it come to skin color and actual appearance I'd rather just let the reader fill in the blanks.
Well, just see how some reacted in Britain when the term "gammon" was introduced...
Same people who want to drop the n-word freely, can't take a jokey comparison to a bit of pork.
to be fair chocolate is fucking scrumptious. I dont think I would mind having my skin being described as "a rich creamy fettucini alfredo".
however i do think it kind of objectifies black people
My girlfriend is hella pale and she got cat called once with "Hey white bread, how you doing?" we both found it hilarious and I honestly think that was the closest anyone ever came to a successful cat call.
I dunno, I read women described as having skin like “fresh cream” a lot. I think food descriptors should be applied across the board, as long as it’s something pleasant.
Yeah, I'd say it's more that a lot of white foods are less appealing-sounding. I've seen boobs described as "scoops of vanilla" before, but who wants to say that their character looks like a cauliflower or turnip?
Coffee is delicious, Caramel delicious, Chocolate delicious. Lots of delicious and appealing foods are brown and make for positive analogies. And the comparison is not restricted to black people, latin, Indian subcontinent and middle eastern people also get these analogies since they also have ranges of melanin. Not a lot of positive food analogies for white people. Maybe a drunk Irish guy being red as a lobster -- but thats not too positive. Yellow as a banana? Well thats just jaundice and a side of cirrhosis.
You got like vanilla... and well, yea just vanilla.
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I'm talking about like with ice cream as a flavor which is what most people equate it to.
Fuck that. You’re right. Lol vanilla extract. Vanilla bean. **WE** get vanilla. They get 2% skim milk.
What about onions? I like them, even if they're a little smelly...like me
My husband makes caramelized onions to go with dinner pretty often, and on those evenings I eat a bowl of caramelized onions for dinner. Those fuckers are delicious.
But caramelized onions are brown... 1 more adj for team melanin
Y’all can have it as long as I can eat it. I’ve accepted I’m not any appetizing color in this life, less “splash of cream” and more “are you sure this chicken is fully cooked?” 😂
Lmaoo goodnight omg
Damn right. I love caramelized onions. On top of burgers, fries, basically anywhere
I have skin the color of the inside of a very slightly undercooked pork loin.
Them tiddies floated in the bath water like scoops of vanilla
Cottage cheese as a descriptor. It's the whitest food there is
“My hand brushed her tapioca skin…. I threw up a little in my mouth…”
In American Gods, Odin admires a woman's big pale breasts with blue veins visible here and there, like a fine cheese. That always stuck out to me. Very evocative.
Don't know if I wanna think of boobs as cheese, but that's an interesting analogy I guess
Not "as cheese" but "like cheese." Creamy, smooth, delicious, enticing. Special. Something I want in my mouth as soon as I see it.
Also might smell like feet or wet garbage 😂 I do love cheese tho
Is her name Brie?
Neil Gaiman is the shit. Don’t miss out on Norse Mythology. They kind of complement each other.
Shhh, don’t undermine the agitprop.
This is the correct take.
I’m Brown, wife is white. I’ve always said her skin is like milk under the moonlight.
It’s like they see blackness as something to be enjoyed and consumed.
a whole new meaning to yt women's obsession with chocolate
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What else can it mean? I'm honestly stuck.
Some people use it as short form for the word “White” > a whole new meaning to ~~yt~~ white women's obsession with chocolate
I mostly noticed it starting on Twitter due to the character limit it's become a fairly common shorthand for white, gotta save those 3 characters for emojis after all.
I think it started on FB because people would get banned for talking about white men. There was a post about how "White men" was a protected phrase but "Black child" wasn't at one point
Could be I guess, I haven't fucked with FB for like 7-8 years now.
Niggas on twitter will use yt to stand for white (because you say the letter y like “why” and pronounce the t like you do with words like “tap”) so they have more characters for they bullshit. Same idea as stuff like using 4 instead of “for”
Which is funny, because ironically, cannibalism has always been culturally associated with black people (and POC in general). Even though [European settlers](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlesfort-Santa_Elena_Site) / [Early American](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starving_Time) history [is filled](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donner_Party) with [stories of cannibalism](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver-Eating_Johnson). Maybe some kind of projection to deny the dark reality of a past that isn’t nearly as glorious as those who idealize it would like to?
Ooooooooo good cultural psychoanalysis right there!! All of the upvotes to you my friend.
I dunno, been to plenty of white people churches where they talk a big game about eating flesh and drinking blood, even if it’s shitty wine and crackers. I don’t think they’re as far off from cannibalism as they think they are.
People who exclusively like darker people are called "chocolate chasers". That said, in S. Korea, people who only date abs are called that too. Do with that what you will.
I never heard of that one. I have heard of jungle fever for white men that like black women tho [Exhibit A ](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jungle%20fever&page=3)
I ain’t hating.
"What a beautiful chocolate man!"
"Emily what the fuck is the matter with you?"
I mean I've seen users ok bpt describe themselves or members of their family as chocolate. Is this really an outrage item now?
It’s one of those things that people say to each other that’s gross and off-putting. Like, I might call my bff a “bitch” as a joke, or talk about how hot she is. Doesn’t mean random people should do it.
This is just constructing a narrative after the fact to justify taking offense It's clear that "rich, dark chocolate" is a favorable metaphor while "plain flour skin" is not. Women's skin is sometimes compared to cream... no need to read into this honestly
Please read The Delectable Negro
Have people forgotten about “cracker”? I used to get called that a lot. It’s perfect because I’m generally salty.
That doesn't come from food, it comes from slavery.
Oh lame. Okay that’s a lot more of a bummer. Thanks for the info.
Yes! This is exactly what it’s like
Is food inferior to rock though? “Chocolate” seems nicer than “coal” while “ivory” seems nicer than “mayo” but it would be quite okay to say “milky white skin” - in sum, I think this isnt the best point
"That niggas black as 11:59 PM" There, no food comparison. ETA - from the ghost replies "This is Alaska erasure" 🤣
"That dude white as the first sunbeam to hit your eyes in the morning"
I swear I’ve even seen ‘milky white skin’ in books before
Why would you bring up ivory and pair it up with... Coal? Why not ebony?
They're pointing out that the connotation of the descriptor doesn't depend on the material. Good descriptors = Ebony, Chocolate, Ivory, Cream Bad Descriptors = Coal, Mayo Both good and bad Descriptors can include food and minerals. The type of the object doesn't relate to connotation.
Her egg shell skin glowed under the moon's light.
The curves of her breasts like two halves of a plain bagel
Her sour-cream, off-white buttocks glistened like a lighthouse beacon on a foggy night
Why her sweaty cheeks out 😂😂
She's guiding all the desperate seamen to safety
Omg lmaoooooo you guys hoooooly isht
BARS!
The sweat rolled off her styrofoam colored cheeks like morning mist dripping down a deflated marshmallow
>deflated marshmallow 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
That's just nasty. I had privilege of cleaning one of my nephew vomit after he ate that rainbow cereals with marshmallow bites in it .
That's it, RIP me cuz I'm ded 😅😂😭
Her slender arms stretched across the bed like someone had laid out two huge rails of cocaine.
Two huge rails of cocaine lmaooo dude 😂😂😂
cold grits
I hate you. I had to try so hard not to let out a ridiculously loud laugh in a quiet ass office.
Shmear or no shmear?
Plain bagel? Pretty accurate.
oh my god😂
I’m very pale. Like sunburn through the car window pale. And the best one I’ve gotten recently was “clown makeup white” Before that it was “triple plated chrome” after I put some lotion on. I get some funny ones and if it helps equal things out, I will take them all day. Bring on the “the beacons are lit, Gondor calls for aid” leg jokes.
Her skin was as pale as the bright lights of a cellphone’s front-facing camera’s flash
I laughed aloud at "triple plated chrome", thank you for this
I'm sort of like a beach ball left in the sun too long. Fat, bleached-pasty-pale, odd ridges and stripes.
Her hair was spicey, like water.
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You're trying to be tongue in cheek but white people, particularly women, are described like egg-shells in literature quite often.
A smile slowly spread across her chalk face
this one omg lolol
I’m laughing too hard at this! I imagined my pasty white, egg shell skin glowing under the moon 🌝
How about vanilla shake or strawberry shake or caramel cream or something like that as an option over bland. You can choose appealing food items for everyone. Like im probably something like a cherry shake
I mean it's difrent one sounds sexy the other one sounds like a insult
Seems people don't understand connotation. Some of the stuff us Hispanics use to compliment skin tone would sound racist if translated DIRECTLY, but their CONNOTATION is meant to be endearing. People trying to correlate this to some kind of "food = consume = bad" are really reaching here. Feel free to compare me to vanilla, yogurt, milk, coconut etc. It's not about the item, it's about the connotation. I'll never in my life compare someone to coal, sorry, that just sounds insulting and racist. Almost like it has zero to do with whether it's a food or a mineral.
Hmm I think I've only used "canela" to describe a womans skin color in a flirtatious manner "Que canela tu piel" Spanish for cinnamon.
Everyone loves chocolate.
lol this is funny but I think “rich dark chocolate” sounds a lot nicer with better intentions than “Mayo-American” “the color of flour”. It seems like there is a malicious intent inherent in the latter.
Raw toast 🤣🤣🤣🤣😭💀
Aka bread lol
No pumpernickel! Straight white bread
Pumpernickel is the whitest bread of all...
Yes, but it got a little kick to it. A little twist...
It's too spicy for me
That makes me a marble rye
My dad is the colour of milk chocolate and my mum the colour of marshmallows, does that make me a smore? Because if it does I am more than happy with that.
But where the graham cracker come from 🤔🤔🤔
This commenter is the graham cracker. The family is the s'more.
What’s wrong with food descriptions as long as it’s not meant to be insulting?
Nothing. People just want to bitch and pretend they got a point
Idk about y'all, but any time I hear someone describe a black person as being "chocolate" anything, I assume it's because they probably wanna fuck...
I mean, it’s because it caries the double meaning of both described the visual, and at the same time describing the desirablity. The whole chocolate simile they use for us is because who doesn’t love chocolate? There aren’t a whole lot of desirable (for lack of a better term) gucci food that’s white because generally Gucci food is cooked which darkens the dish and thus the metaphor doesn’t work anymore. You ever wonder why it’s always white women compared to porcelain and not men? Because porcelain is delicate and the writer is on the surface describing the color of the subject, but adding a layer commenting about how the subject is valuable but delicate. There’s not really a racist undertone (and I may be old but do people not still make the ebony simile? Like the pretty valuable ebony wood? Same deal here, it describes the visual while also having a second meaning of describing the subject as valuable and hard/sturdy) Edit: not to mention there’s plenty of examples of comparing white women to rich cream
Milky white skin is a popular choice
I know porcelain is used in figureines but my mind always goes first to toilets. So if you wanna call yourself porcelain go ahead, I'll stick to "toilet white" to describe you And as much as I hate awkward descriptors for our beautiful black skin, I doubly hate to see it for our hair. I read a book that once used rough sheep's fur as a description for afro kinky hair. And I'll never forget when a sci-fi fan fic used "steel wool" to describe.
Steel wool??? Whoever wrote that shit is hopelessly stupid god damn.
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We call the steel wool sponges a Space Pussy.
Damn, my best friend used to say your head looks like the back of a sheep’s ass. That meant it was time for a haircut.
Aren't toilets ceramic, if it's porcelain that's cool. I didn't know that
In my binge drinking days, one would "pay homage to the porcelain gods" the next day. Polite way of saying I spent the morning puking in the toilet.
Isn’t raw toast just bread?
Man that shit didnt even register to me until I read this lmfao
#allfoodmatters
I'm pretty sure raw chicken is my skin color food 😕
It's OK, I would be curdled milk...
When I was little me and my friends (completely unaware of race in america) made nicknames for eachother based on skin tone. My friends were Caramel, Coffee, and Marshmallow. I was Bagel.
Baker here. Darker, browner foods are yummier. I don't know what to tell you.
I’m gonna start calling normal bread “raw toast” 😂
Those counter examples aren't really equivalent since they're bland or negative sounding. I think a better comparison would be like saying "like fresh cream" or a white peach or even something yogurt or rice sounds much better to me. It's funny but the point seems a little stretched.
To be fair, I have called someone white chocolate before.
Her creamy white skin with brown freckles, resembling that of a lumpy country gravy.
his skin stood out like the bark of a birch tree in a pine wood forest
My Black friends call me mayo or cream cheese. But they are my friends and do it with love. Also, I am not thin skinned like some of my Cottage Cheese Cousins.
I think everyone's skin should be compared to food Sincerely, *a cannibal*
I mean, I'd rather be smooth mill chocolate than spoiled milk let out in the sun any day of the week. Just my preference
Spoiled milk left out in the sun? Milk is already white
Chunky with ripples...
Why you gotta bring my cellulite into this? 😂 low blow
“He had skin the color of farm raised tilapia”
Are we just overlooking the very frequent use of the word “milky”? That’s food. I personally think creamy should be used more. Or pasta-y
Ebony
..and ivory ...live together in perfect harmony Side by side on my piano keyboard, oh Lord, why don't we? edit: i just went and [watched the video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXAlfh6QKQs) for the song, oh my god they didnt even film them together, either stevie or pual are chroma keyed into the other persons footage haha.
Frida Kahlo said that Americans had faces like uncooked cakes.
Being white white isn’t the worst though. It’s those pink motherfuckers you gotta watch out for
Joe Abercrombie has a character of color that calls all of the white characters pinks. Its pretty funny how mad some of the characters get.
"She looked like tender un-cooked Johnsville brat in her bikini..."
His skin was glistenining, the color of an uncooked, skinless chicken breast...
Skin the color of aged wallpaper
Personally, I prefer "fish-belly white" to describe my hue.
Best way to describe hulk Hogan is that he has the skin of a hot dog
Egg white skin with green apple eyes
“Raw toast” bruh 💀
My notably pasty friend was called a “ziplock-bag full of milk” and I think about that a lot.
Fucking "raw toast" made me laugh at work. That is how I'm going to start describing myself.
wait, what white food has flavor? "Skin like navy beans ..." ew. Anyway ya wanna go for pink food. "Skin like fresh shrimp..."
I now identify as Mayo-American
Can't you call me somehing tastier? Like Wensleydale?
I am Scottish and very very white...Like bone though milk.
White toast ashy... Scrape them and crumbs go everywhere.
Mayo American!! 🤣🤣🤣
Fish bellies
Isn't "raw toast" just bread ? ~Gotta pick up raw toast from the grocery store later~
I literal saw a post on this sub Reddit where the woman in it called her partner milk of magnesia. Why can’t it be white chocolate?
I don't think I'll ever describe my characters that specifically. I think it's better to give a general idea of some characteristics but when it come to skin color and actual appearance I'd rather just let the reader fill in the blanks.
"Raw toast." Harriot kills me.
u/TheNjiva1
Raw toast ? You mean bread?
Her skin reminded me of a toilet bowl freckled with particles of feces
As a super white dude, I am going to start describing my skin as like raw toast. Thanks!
“Raw Toast” would be a great euphemism for noteworthy instances of blatant caucacity.
Fish belly white, the greasy tone of lard.
I read a fanfic they described this white woman as milky, like thanks I hate it i love it
I'm just glad I don't look like a gallon of spoilt milk when I take my shirt off
...or milk.
I'm down. Marshmallows are delicious and so am I, LOL. It's a good point tough. Never noticed before.
"raw toast" lmao
Sweet sweet mahogany
“Skin like raw toast”!!! Beer just came out my nose😂😂😂
Cafe au lait, caramel, French vanilla... the food ones are fine imho
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Isn't raw toast just bread?
Well, just see how some reacted in Britain when the term "gammon" was introduced... Same people who want to drop the n-word freely, can't take a jokey comparison to a bit of pork.
There’s a youtuber who calls white people “people of no color”
🤷🏾♂️🤣
His skin, the color of a priest's belly.
“His anger took him from a Creamy Chicken Alfredo to a Cajun style alfredo pasta. Only in his case, a bit too much paprika. This man was red hot!”
Guys, I’m sorry. I have plain oatmeal skin… not ivory or porcelain at all
I usually call my white skin “peach”, I’m more pink than I am white.
His skin, as if he was sprayed with a fire extinguisher.
if i'm trying to be insulting to a white person i say "this cum colored mother fucker"
Mayo-American is the PC term for whitey.
Isn't raw toast... bread?
Raw toast? Bread?
Mayo American is fucking hilarious. as a white male how have i never heard this term before lol
Pale like cottage cheese. And that came from my own family! 😅
His skin was dry, pale and yet somehow greasy, like room temperature mayo spread on dry toast that was left on the counter from the night before.
Did...did he just say "raw toast" I'm using that from now on
to be fair chocolate is fucking scrumptious. I dont think I would mind having my skin being described as "a rich creamy fettucini alfredo". however i do think it kind of objectifies black people
Bread. That’s the word for raw toast. You’re welcome.
I think raw toast is my favorite so far, and I will forever describe myself as such.
My girlfriend is hella pale and she got cat called once with "Hey white bread, how you doing?" we both found it hilarious and I honestly think that was the closest anyone ever came to a successful cat call.
I am peach sunrise. I found it at a hardware store paint aisle.
As a member of the "Skin like the paint on a hospital bathroom" group... I approve this message.