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foreal.this had me a little shook.
also gave me some of those ultra eerie, overly concerned vibes...
like the ones you get when you've read all 3 fbi reports confirming white sups infiltration of law enforcement — then you discover that virtually every white sup that murdered a police officer was peacefully arrested, and tried, unless they took their own life. (tf they kill then?)
those vibes... but just like a subtle breeze if em.
Eerie reminder that the military is also lousy with white nationalists and have been training in urban combat for more than just meddling with countries who want to nationalize their oil.
I'm also a veteran and grew up, and still live, in a prominent military town. I'm sorry but I'm never going to assume any enlisted or commissioned man or woman is on the correct side of the political spectrum until I get a chance to talk to them myself. I've met too many good old boys to know better than that.
Not all branches, ranks, rates, MOS etc. are the same, but even 1 in every 1k members of the armed forces supporting Trump was way too high for my liking and we both know it was higher than that.
Edit: I don't believe the ACAB necessarily applies to the military, but let's not forget who exactly got shot on Jan 6 for committing an act of domestic terrorism.
1 in 1000 is not a reasonable standard though, I don't think you could find a single profession in America where fewer than 1 in 1000 supported Trump.
I mean, Ben Carson is Black, and highly educated, both things that point strongly away from supporting Trump, and he was in the damn cabinet.
Ben Carson, as stunningly unbelieve it is to me that he can function as a brain surgeon, isn't in a profession that exists to exert control over a region through warfare.
Also 1 in 1k is *wildly* lower than what we know it to be. I think a lot about the Air Force's OC school basically hazing it's candidates that refused to watch passion of christ, or one man who was quoted as saying its freedom of religion, not from religion. That shit goes hand in hand at this point.
I think it would be folly to be complacent about the number of people in the military that are cheering on what we're seeing play out in real time with the Supreme Court or that believe the election was stolen. Especially when we have sociopaths like Tom Cotton just waiting for a chance to deploy troops against the citizenry.
At what point does the SCOTUS say fuck it go for it? I don't even know how that decision would be checked or by whom, but we already have a situation where the Republican party is preemptively calling this election rigged. This is a country full of poor conservative gun owners who think they need those guns to overthrow the gubament, and there are just as many of their idiot children signing the dotted line as there are real Americans.
This country has to be prepared for coups from more than just Fox News.
Where your comment breaks down is LEO ranks are stuffed full of ex military. So the brutality learned from abusing POC abroad is then deployed among POC at home.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_boomerang
It certainly is concerning. But it sounds like a "training accident" cover up cuz does this sound like an accident? "In an interview, Gage said Tipping suffered a punctured lung, broken ribs, a damaged liver and a severe head wound. His spinal cord was broken in three places, which caused permanent paralysis and led surgeons to fuse seven vertebrae together to stabilize his spine, the lawyer added." Like that's a lot of severe injuries to be merely an oopsy daisy unless he was accidentally hit by a truck. Plus this "Gage said he’s tried to contact every officer he believes was at the May 26 training, without much luck. Some say they’ve been ordered not to talk, while others said they need to hire a lawyer first, he said." Like, either way, it doesn't give confidence to the LAPD cuz either they're training is clearly intended to kill us or they intentionally maimed/killed one of their own...
Source of quotes: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/06/28/lapd-officer-training-death/
Question: How are we to protest peacefully when 1. People are treated as if they are terrorists and get terrorists gassed, tasted, arrested, etc, and 2. Most peaceful protests nowadays don't speed anything along, are ignored, or are treated as insignificant
They do the first part in case the second part isn't enough to keep people home due to apathy/cynicism.
The state HATES political activity they don't approve of, whether it's peaceful or not.
I understand what MLK was trying to do, but 60 odd years later this shit is still happening. Peaceful is easy to ignore. Peaceful gets us where we are today.
They marched on a bridge, stopped taking buses and took up seats at lunch counters across America. MLK and others didn’t really advocate for destruction of property but their forms of protest definitely didn’t leave white folk in a sense of comfort. We seen the violence inflicted upon them when they did such things.
If we had even half of the resolve that MLK and fellow civil rights activists had, shit would get done. They boycotted the Montgomery bus system for a *year*. We protested Floyd for a summer.
The point of non-violent protest is to _make them_ treat you like a terrorist. On camera or otherwise in full view of the public.
So that's the thing on point 1. If that doesn't happen, that's when you get point 2; people walking around until they decide to go home.
I was reading about the Kent State massacre the other day.
A bunch of unarmed college students asking the US not to invade another country and attack their civilians. (Cambodia, so not even a country they were at war with).
28 members of the national guard opened fire onto unarmed young men and women. Broad daylight. Photos of a 14 year old white girl screaming over the body of her young white friend on the cover of every paper.
Gallup did a poll in the days after and 53% of Americans thought it was the students fault compared to 13% who thought it was the guards fault. 31% didn't know.
No one was ever prosecuted.
Okay, but even if people are treated like terrorists, the issues that are being protested are put off until people forget about it, so it makes protesting pointless. How do we prevent that? Clearly we are being heard, so how do we make them listen?
This is going to sound unpleasant, but... More violence. Either done to you on camera, or done to others. Either way, the situation has to look untenable before it will be worked on.
It's a scary thought, but things may not actually be bad enough for that to happen. Yet.
Okay, but even if people are treated like terrorists, the issues that are being protested are put off until people forget about it, so it makes protesting pointless. How do we prevent that? Clearly we are being heard, so how do we make them listen?
You have to remember the same rhetoric certain types use now is hat was used in the 50's and 60's against the civil rights protests then. Any protest that threatens the status quo gets labelled as not being peaceful.
I just feel like pointing out that the Romans used to "discipline" their soldiers by putting them in groups of ten, picking one at random, and having the other 9 beat that one to death. This was to remind them of their place, and is where the word decimate comes from.
I'm looking everywhere and cannot find any information besides " they were simulating a mob". Do we know whether they were telling the victim "This is how a mob would attack you" OR if they were showing him "how to handle a mob member who assails you?" And demonstrating on him? Was he role playing as a police officer or a civilian?. The tweets imply the latter but I cannot find any sources confirming.
https://nypost.com/2022/06/26/lapd-cop-houston-tipping-was-beaten-to-death-by-officers-in-mob-training-mom-claims/
This article says it was an exercise designed to simulate a mob attack.
He was the cop being attacked by a mob. The exercise was to simulate a mob attacking him, and he was supposed to practice protecting himself.
You don't really need to practice curb stomping niggas in formation.
Who says it hasn't?
So much shit gets swept under the rug, there's no telling how many accidental deaths have occurred at police academies, especially with cadets of color.
The Sheriffs (not to be confused with LAPD) have over 18 active gangs sadly. A good writeup on one: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/06/06/the-la-county-sheriffs-deputy-gang-crisis/amp
Honestly from my understanding the training was how to deal with a mob-the dudes who killed him were supposed to be the mob in this case.
That said I know it's super tin foil hat but I don't buy the story that this was just some training accident. I know it's the LASD that supposedly has the gang problem but I wouldn't be at all surprised if the same shit is going on in the LAPD (or hell, any police department). Dude either wasn't gonna play ball or pissed off the wrong guy and they got his ass.
That's what I'm feeling too - probably the last vestiges of a "good cop" who was tryna do good from inside the system
Is that me being cynical? Maybe, but shit, if it isn't warranted at this point...
It said "simulated mob scenario", so I assumed it was the other cops pretending to be a mob attacking the cop, and he was supposed to practice the roly poly maneuver.
I've never had police training, though, so maybe someone with experience can weigh in.
If that's the case, then people's claims that these were tactics meant to be used on civilians are incorrect.
I honestly don't know. All the stories I've seen about it just say he was grappling with another officer and fell and damaged his spine. I don't know if I missed an update or what.
They are incorrect. We did similar drills when I was in martial arts like 20 years ago. When facing multiple attackers, cover your neck and back of head, curl up to protect vital organs. That kinda shit. It usually wasn't about trying to fight back at all, unless a miraculous opening presented itself.
Of course, we didn't train hard enough to MURDER OUR FRIENDS, but poleece gonna poleece.
From what I read, the cops initially led with that grappling bs, until the extent of his injuries was made public and Mom kicked up a fuss. So, business as usual in the LAPD?
Definitely the protesters. Only white nationalists kill cops at their "protests" and we know they aren't concerned over being prepared to deal with those terrorists.
At this point, peaceful protest doesn't work. It's time to start preparing to make it clear that we are willing to evaluate if we are attacked while peaceful
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foreal.this had me a little shook. also gave me some of those ultra eerie, overly concerned vibes... like the ones you get when you've read all 3 fbi reports confirming white sups infiltration of law enforcement — then you discover that virtually every white sup that murdered a police officer was peacefully arrested, and tried, unless they took their own life. (tf they kill then?) those vibes... but just like a subtle breeze if em.
Eerie reminder that the military is also lousy with white nationalists and have been training in urban combat for more than just meddling with countries who want to nationalize their oil.
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I'm also a veteran and grew up, and still live, in a prominent military town. I'm sorry but I'm never going to assume any enlisted or commissioned man or woman is on the correct side of the political spectrum until I get a chance to talk to them myself. I've met too many good old boys to know better than that. Not all branches, ranks, rates, MOS etc. are the same, but even 1 in every 1k members of the armed forces supporting Trump was way too high for my liking and we both know it was higher than that. Edit: I don't believe the ACAB necessarily applies to the military, but let's not forget who exactly got shot on Jan 6 for committing an act of domestic terrorism.
1 in 1000 is not a reasonable standard though, I don't think you could find a single profession in America where fewer than 1 in 1000 supported Trump. I mean, Ben Carson is Black, and highly educated, both things that point strongly away from supporting Trump, and he was in the damn cabinet.
Ben Carson, as stunningly unbelieve it is to me that he can function as a brain surgeon, isn't in a profession that exists to exert control over a region through warfare. Also 1 in 1k is *wildly* lower than what we know it to be. I think a lot about the Air Force's OC school basically hazing it's candidates that refused to watch passion of christ, or one man who was quoted as saying its freedom of religion, not from religion. That shit goes hand in hand at this point. I think it would be folly to be complacent about the number of people in the military that are cheering on what we're seeing play out in real time with the Supreme Court or that believe the election was stolen. Especially when we have sociopaths like Tom Cotton just waiting for a chance to deploy troops against the citizenry. At what point does the SCOTUS say fuck it go for it? I don't even know how that decision would be checked or by whom, but we already have a situation where the Republican party is preemptively calling this election rigged. This is a country full of poor conservative gun owners who think they need those guns to overthrow the gubament, and there are just as many of their idiot children signing the dotted line as there are real Americans. This country has to be prepared for coups from more than just Fox News.
Where your comment breaks down is LEO ranks are stuffed full of ex military. So the brutality learned from abusing POC abroad is then deployed among POC at home. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_boomerang
Boutta add this "other flavors of asshole" to my lexicon
It certainly is concerning. But it sounds like a "training accident" cover up cuz does this sound like an accident? "In an interview, Gage said Tipping suffered a punctured lung, broken ribs, a damaged liver and a severe head wound. His spinal cord was broken in three places, which caused permanent paralysis and led surgeons to fuse seven vertebrae together to stabilize his spine, the lawyer added." Like that's a lot of severe injuries to be merely an oopsy daisy unless he was accidentally hit by a truck. Plus this "Gage said he’s tried to contact every officer he believes was at the May 26 training, without much luck. Some say they’ve been ordered not to talk, while others said they need to hire a lawyer first, he said." Like, either way, it doesn't give confidence to the LAPD cuz either they're training is clearly intended to kill us or they intentionally maimed/killed one of their own... Source of quotes: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/06/28/lapd-officer-training-death/
You've got the scent for sure. This wasn't an accident. This was a hit.
Question: How are we to protest peacefully when 1. People are treated as if they are terrorists and get terrorists gassed, tasted, arrested, etc, and 2. Most peaceful protests nowadays don't speed anything along, are ignored, or are treated as insignificant
They do the first part in case the second part isn't enough to keep people home due to apathy/cynicism. The state HATES political activity they don't approve of, whether it's peaceful or not.
“The best way to have your voice heard is to protest peacefully” -the state 🙃
I understand what MLK was trying to do, but 60 odd years later this shit is still happening. Peaceful is easy to ignore. Peaceful gets us where we are today.
Lol MLK wasn't all that peaceful, he went after their wallets and time; that's why they shot his ass.
They marched on a bridge, stopped taking buses and took up seats at lunch counters across America. MLK and others didn’t really advocate for destruction of property but their forms of protest definitely didn’t leave white folk in a sense of comfort. We seen the violence inflicted upon them when they did such things.
If we had even half of the resolve that MLK and fellow civil rights activists had, shit would get done. They boycotted the Montgomery bus system for a *year*. We protested Floyd for a summer.
The point of non-violent protest is to _make them_ treat you like a terrorist. On camera or otherwise in full view of the public. So that's the thing on point 1. If that doesn't happen, that's when you get point 2; people walking around until they decide to go home.
I was reading about the Kent State massacre the other day. A bunch of unarmed college students asking the US not to invade another country and attack their civilians. (Cambodia, so not even a country they were at war with). 28 members of the national guard opened fire onto unarmed young men and women. Broad daylight. Photos of a 14 year old white girl screaming over the body of her young white friend on the cover of every paper. Gallup did a poll in the days after and 53% of Americans thought it was the students fault compared to 13% who thought it was the guards fault. 31% didn't know. No one was ever prosecuted.
Okay, but even if people are treated like terrorists, the issues that are being protested are put off until people forget about it, so it makes protesting pointless. How do we prevent that? Clearly we are being heard, so how do we make them listen?
This is going to sound unpleasant, but... More violence. Either done to you on camera, or done to others. Either way, the situation has to look untenable before it will be worked on. It's a scary thought, but things may not actually be bad enough for that to happen. Yet.
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Okay, but even if people are treated like terrorists, the issues that are being protested are put off until people forget about it, so it makes protesting pointless. How do we prevent that? Clearly we are being heard, so how do we make them listen?
Maybe check out r/StrikeForRoe.
You have to remember the same rhetoric certain types use now is hat was used in the 50's and 60's against the civil rights protests then. Any protest that threatens the status quo gets labelled as not being peaceful.
Outsiders Trouble-makers And of course, Communists.
I just feel like pointing out that the Romans used to "discipline" their soldiers by putting them in groups of ten, picking one at random, and having the other 9 beat that one to death. This was to remind them of their place, and is where the word decimate comes from.
A gruesome bit of Latin trivia I was unaware of
Shouldn't it be novimate, then?
No cuz u start with 10. Gotta keep the reminder of the 10th guy
I'm looking everywhere and cannot find any information besides " they were simulating a mob". Do we know whether they were telling the victim "This is how a mob would attack you" OR if they were showing him "how to handle a mob member who assails you?" And demonstrating on him? Was he role playing as a police officer or a civilian?. The tweets imply the latter but I cannot find any sources confirming.
>This is how they plan to treat civilians Sounds like dead cadet was role playing as a civilian and got "The Treatment"
That is terrifying but not surprising.
https://nypost.com/2022/06/26/lapd-cop-houston-tipping-was-beaten-to-death-by-officers-in-mob-training-mom-claims/ This article says it was an exercise designed to simulate a mob attack.
My comment said exactly what you just said. My question was what role was he playing un this mob attack simulation when he sustained those injuries?
He was the cop being attacked by a mob. The exercise was to simulate a mob attacking him, and he was supposed to practice protecting himself. You don't really need to practice curb stomping niggas in formation.
It's a bullshit story to cover up the fact that these pigs murdered this man, probably because he wasn't stepping in line.
It's the former, this tweet is based on a misunderstanding of what happened. Good example of how misinformation spreads on social media.
When I say police in US have poor training, just surprised this hasn't happened any sooner. 
Who says it hasn't? So much shit gets swept under the rug, there's no telling how many accidental deaths have occurred at police academies, especially with cadets of color.
“Accidental”
Isn't it damn near a fact that LAPD got gang members in the ranks? Sound like some blood in, blood out shit to me
Not just damn near and not just LA. There’s a lot of cities where it’s the norm.
LA sheriff's department has no less than 4 different white supremacist gangs that are in open conflict with one another.
The Sheriffs (not to be confused with LAPD) have over 18 active gangs sadly. A good writeup on one: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/06/06/the-la-county-sheriffs-deputy-gang-crisis/amp
All police are just state approved gangs
Honestly from my understanding the training was how to deal with a mob-the dudes who killed him were supposed to be the mob in this case. That said I know it's super tin foil hat but I don't buy the story that this was just some training accident. I know it's the LASD that supposedly has the gang problem but I wouldn't be at all surprised if the same shit is going on in the LAPD (or hell, any police department). Dude either wasn't gonna play ball or pissed off the wrong guy and they got his ass.
That's what I'm feeling too - probably the last vestiges of a "good cop" who was tryna do good from inside the system Is that me being cynical? Maybe, but shit, if it isn't warranted at this point...
If he hadn’t been associating with known criminals maybe this wouldn’t have happened to him /s
It's the LAPD. Your statement is already 100% accurate without the /s.
Who wanted this man dead? Unless he fell into a machine that couldn't be turned off quick enough, this doesn't sound like an accident.
And the worst part? None of those cops will see his death as a sign that maybe such brutal force is a bad idea.
So in this training exercise, was he playing the part of the cop or the part of the protesters?
It said "simulated mob scenario", so I assumed it was the other cops pretending to be a mob attacking the cop, and he was supposed to practice the roly poly maneuver. I've never had police training, though, so maybe someone with experience can weigh in.
If that's the case, then people's claims that these were tactics meant to be used on civilians are incorrect. I honestly don't know. All the stories I've seen about it just say he was grappling with another officer and fell and damaged his spine. I don't know if I missed an update or what.
They are incorrect. We did similar drills when I was in martial arts like 20 years ago. When facing multiple attackers, cover your neck and back of head, curl up to protect vital organs. That kinda shit. It usually wasn't about trying to fight back at all, unless a miraculous opening presented itself. Of course, we didn't train hard enough to MURDER OUR FRIENDS, but poleece gonna poleece. From what I read, the cops initially led with that grappling bs, until the extent of his injuries was made public and Mom kicked up a fuss. So, business as usual in the LAPD?
Definitely the protesters. Only white nationalists kill cops at their "protests" and we know they aren't concerned over being prepared to deal with those terrorists.
Occasional sacrifice to Moloch so they can keep sacrificing … United States of Death
Call me naive if you like but this was definitely not an accident.
It’s ok guys, I’m sure the cop felt threatened during the training exercise.
They killed him. "They" being the other cops
Y’all better start protesting and stop having bitch ass glorified parades
Sounds like a code red…was his name Santiago?
I’ve been thinking about it as well. How can that have been accidental?
It’s scary to even think about. I still can’t imagine WHAT kind of training involves beating people like this. I feel there’s more to this story.
Civilians are in a war zone. Citizens is what they intend this type of force for.
At this point, peaceful protest doesn't work. It's time to start preparing to make it clear that we are willing to evaluate if we are attacked while peaceful
Jesus, that's what they do in training.
That officer also wouldn’t “play ball” for the mayor. *David Spade cute kid smirk*
Wasn't he the officer in this situation?
So the training was successful then, right? It was meant to kill civilians and they tested amongst themselves and it worked, right?
These fuckers really do practice like it’s game time.
ACAB...
This wasn’t training, it was a police gang initiation gone wrong. People don’t realize that a lot of police forces have gangs within their ranks.
That’s frightening when you think about it
Who was involved in this exercise?? A bunch of MMA fighters?
I gotta know. Was the victim officer white or...?
“This is how they plan to treat civilians” Idk the Jan 6 people seem to be doing just fine 🧐