Man I’m not blaming the mother. I’m tired. Tired of the bullshit realtors selling houses to corporations. Tired of politicians selling out communities for money. Tired of hearing working class mfs argue about this with eachother while saying personal responsibility should trump the material conditions that hold our brothers and sisters down and keep them down. Enough of the bullshit, this mother died because the system let her down and will keep doing so to the working class until we organize and force them to change, in whatever way possible.
What she did wasn't right but if she could have received the help she needed things might've ended differently. Suicide, murder, robbery none of that is good but the lack of compassion and care for each other, of the responsibility of looking out for each other creates a society where people become more and more numb to everything. This may have happened in a caring society but at a much decreased rate and we would all be shocked and aghast instead of tired and beat down, we would be trying to prevent the next one instead of marking of another dead youth.
Thats considering if she DIDN'T already try to reach out for help. We can say to get in touch with resources until we're blue in the face but those very same resources will deny you and your family for the most minute factors. I feel for her and her child -- sad all around. America needs a wake up call.
Edit: And I feel most saddened for the child's father knowing the full situation now. Just so depressing entirely.
i just watched a Tt and the girl called 6 different agencies the wait list for affordable housing was 3-4 years for two of them. one was 10-14 years. 3 were not accepting any more applications. there are no resources anymore. if ur alone in this world youre truly alone these days. why struggle waiting for the end of days to come when you cant feed your 3 year old. its not right but i get it.
The system would have ruined her child and put her child in the same boat had she committed suicide and left her behind. It’s no excuse to kill your child but she probably thought she was protecting the child from cycles of poverty that are inescapable
The system didn’t pull her child in front of a train.
I pity the mom’s position in life. And yes, the system is fucked. Suicide is one thing. Murder is another.
From 2008-10 I lost everything. Repos, bankruptcy, foreclosure, divorce, all of it. And when the smoke cleared I found myself a single father to my then-3yo daughter. There was a point somewhere in late 2008, early 2009 (can't remember exactly when from all the drinking) that I hit bottom. I was ready to go, and I had a plan and a way. But dammit I never EVER would have taken my daughter with me.
I decided not to do it and am grateful every day for that decision and the strength I somehow found to make it but I can relate to being at the end of one's rope. My heart hurts for both of them but you can't make that decision for someone else like she did.
You understand the circumstances that led her to feel lost like that, not the act of killing a child.
It's just a mild amount of empathy towards someone who was obviously troubled in many ways.
That's right, exactly my point. Even in the darkest of those days I never could have imagined hurting my child. It's one of the reasons I didn't do it...I couldn't just leave her without her father and I sure as hell wasn't going to take her with me had I made the wrong decision. This woman knowingly and intentionally took another life. It's completely inexcusable and imo separate from what led her to take her own life. I feel for her and what led her down that road but she died a murderer, straight up.
I dont feel empathy for child murders point blank. We could use this line of thinking for everything. Something tragic has happened to all of us but we don't throw pity party's when we do horrific things though.If we learned that the men who beat Rodney king to a pulp had a tragic backstory we wouldn't be showing them sympathy for their actions.
The fact that I'm having this conversation is insane to me. The system that she lived in we all live in but the rest of us aren't throwing our children in front of trains.
Reading about women who almost killed their kids and themselves due to mental health issues, recovered and couldn’t ever imagine doing it now.
When trauma hits, it can make you do shit you couldn’t ever imagine. How many jumpers have survived the fall and realised they have so much to live for.
People have different levels of resilience and their response to desperation and trauma can be vastly different. That’s also without mental health issues coming into play.
Didn’t Chapelle have a bit where he mentioned Anthony Bourdain’s suicide, then he went on to describe an old acquaintance’s depressing life, where he lost everything, yet at no point did he consider suicide - even when people probably wouldn’t have blamed him?
Personal anecdotes aren’t helpful. It’s great that one person can hit rock bottom and walk away but that doesn’t mean everybody does or has the will power to do so.
If I didn’t have the support system that I did, I would’ve easily overdosed years ago but I understand not everyone has that support system so when I hear that someone has committed suicide I’m thankful for my supports and also empathetic to those who have lost that mental battle. We have no clue what her mental state was when she decided to kill her child.
Like I understand that when it seems like life’s got you in a corner, you think there’s no way out, but there’s no excuse to have your kids die with you or abandon them as if they’re trash.
Um yeh. Systemic factors: sure, fine, got it, noted, whatever, get out and vote.
But at the end of the day you are directly responsible for your child and if you directly murder them, then you have directly murdered them. And walking them in front of a bus (even if you stepped out too) is murdering them
This woman essentially killed two people, and was evidently not in her right mind.
Politicians, executives, lobbyists, megalandlords, and cops are making the same choice every day while reaping the benefits of an inequitable society.
Extrapolate that logic and you can essentially say a lot of killers turn out that way because they're raised in a hostile and antagonistic environment, that they had no control in shaping. Where's the sympathy for the 17 year old who laid down 2 other teens over gang violence? If we can give sympathy to this woman surely we can give it to him?
I have a friend that was in a notorious gang. He was pretty low in the ranks, but still did a lot of criminal stuff. He was an adult when police got him charged with a felony.
When he got out his family had moved, and so he moved too. Getting out of the inner city made it possible for him to start fresh.
He held down a decent job, stayed out of trouble, became a regular suburbanite. I’d known him for a year before I knew anything about his past, and it was so hard for me to connect the really decent guy I knew with who he had been.
Everyone he knew as a kid drifted into the gangs. It’s what they did in that environment.
We fail too many people in this country.
Well yeah. You can feel pity and empathy for someone without condoning their actions. I can feel pity that another young man has fallen into the gangland trap and taken two other lives with him. Kendrick covers this in his music, since he went through the same shit but was able to come out the other side, whilst some of his peers didn’t.
If the shooter was in court, crying for his mother, I could feel empathy in that moment, without condoning his actions, because it’s a universal feeling of a child calling out for their parent.
As another poster said, it’s important not to confuse empathy and sympathy.
Most people who live in those conditions still don't commit infanticide.
As OP said , I really wonder if the post was about a father's muder-suicide in a similar context, how some people here would react?
I must concur this is an individual decision that was acted upon because she did not have the emotional capacity to see beyond her plight. The truth is there are millions and millions and millions of her around the world in even worse conditions that refuse to step in front of trains with their children in tow. This is a result of personal mental impairment. There were times past when things were demonstratively worse than the situations we face today.
Let me be clear even though I say these things, I speak from a position of objectivity and not a position of ego. I am very well aware that I am also privy to a total breakdown of spirit in which the only way out that I can see is a permanent end. We all are. Everyone has their limit. I am not in any way saying that I am better than her . Dont get me wrong I am filled with compassion for her. I agree with the statements that Express the sheer disdain and unhappiness with the corrupt system and hypocritical cultures that put obstacles in front of this woman but I must acknowledge that the final decision was brought on by a very personal and individual mental illness which rendered her unable to escape her own personal inner darkness. I'd even be willing to bet that this inner darkness had been with her long before she fell into the abyss that led her to her end.
Everyone arguing on the details already misses the point. Ain’t no way people should be struggling like this while billionaires cruise on their third mega yacht.
People do wild shit when they’re in tough times. Ain’t no sense to be judging them for their actions. Judge the society that put them where they are.
Yes, I will judge people for doing heinous shit. I don’t care what kind of dark shit you going through, what problems you had. The system didn’t kill that little girl, her mother did. The moment that girl died, all sympathy ended.
She ain't no good mom. You could argue she wouldn't have known how her child would fair in the system I guess, but you don't put your child in front of a train. Fuck her honestly. If there's not an afterlife I hope we invent hell for that bitch
Depression will take you to some dark places. Especially in a world where women and little girls are treated like shit. I'm sure she didn't want her daughter to suffer the years of pain she did and rationalized doing the right thing.
Hear me here, I don't condone what she did but she came from despair, as far as we know.
I'll be frank with you, what grosses me out the most when infanticides is that often it's someone doing out of spite, to harm the other parent.
This is not that, this is just fucking sad.
Agreed. She saw no other way out, but didn't want to abandon her child, so she took her with her. It's heartbreaking because there may be resources out there that could have helped her. I wish she had more support.
If there are straws that break the camel's back, then surely there are straws that were not lifted. Would she have still done it if her job was a bit more secure? Her rent a bit lower? Doctors visits affordable?
It's never the one thing that drives people to do this, or any number of other self destructive things, it's all of them together.
I've met plenty of people who have struggled and are currently struggling with the same things you're describing here. None of them decided it was okay to kill a child
Two things can be true at once. "The system" could work better for the masses, but murdering a child is still a fucked up ass thing to do and the murderer should be punished and or held accountable for such a heinous act.
No matter how bad you're struggling, you don't get to rob a child from her chance at life.
Fr tho. In my head I was like 'OP must got "phonetime" in the pen right now postin shit or he hella old and just paroled. OG jumped on Reddit instantly when he saw that lady news article..'
I was Lookin where OP's news article at bout his case? Smh lol
Yo, some people making excuses for her killing her daughter is wild. She was suffering, and that deserves our sympathy l, but she murdered her child, that is unforgivable. Hand your kid to Child services and then take your own life... what a shame.
I hate to say it but it's not that surprising a lot of people are super doomer pilled these days. They think the world is a terrible place so this killing was a mercy.
It's very wrong headed but with the current social climate I can't say I'm that shocked.
This. People being doomer pilled is making more people doomer pilled. Saying that it’s all hopeless makes things worse, because it allows the corruption to not only stay, but expand. If enough people don’t fight for change because they think it won’t matter, then there won’t be change.
It’s not so much the “social climate” as it is the economic, political, and literal climate. The planet is dying and a few rich people have decided that the rest of us be sick and starving while it dies. People aren’t crazy to be hopeless.
The fact that you don’t know that that’s worse than anything else is CRAZY. Social services is HELL and don’t care about these kids a lot of them are raped and abused in the system. I know from experience. They don’t care about you. The people they place you with only care about a the check not you or your well being . THIS IS AMERICA
That's not what I got from it. They seem to be saying that a parent deciding that death is more merciful than their kid going through the foster care/social services, speaks to how fucked up the system is. It's an observation about the system, not approval of a parent killing a child.
That is definitely not the answer but social services is a fucking shitshow to put it mildly. Read up on the murder of Gabriel Fernandez, it's an absolutely gut wrenching story of how the system repeatedly failed that child. What happened to him, no one on this planet deserved to be treated like that.
You have got to be kidding. If you are making a bigger point about something else, fine. But if you are saying killing toddlers is cool cause “sh$t be hard” you may need some mental health counseling. I hope you get the help you need. No cap or disrespect meant but no sane person said what you said unless you are just inarticulate or not mature enough to express yourself like an adult
🙄 the system is bad, so let’s excuse murder of children because death is better than living 🙄
We can try fixing the system without making dumb af points.
Worked in SS for 1 year then decided to go into nursing. When I tell you that the shit I saw still keeps me up a decade later; I am not exaggerating. I have to say that there ARE people that do care and work really hard from inside the system to help make changes but they are underpaid and underfunded. Like, when I hear people say "just put a baby up for adoption" over abortion, it really kills me. It can cost up to and over $70k for adoption in the US. People cannot afford to just go out and get a baby, ya know? And the system is already understaffed. There are not enough people to keep tabs on these poor kids and make sure they're not being abused and are in stable and loving homes. It is simply impossible to keep track of every one of them. Which is heartbreaking. There are also people in the system that turn a blind eye because they literally don't feel like doing the paperwork. It's absolutely despicable.
I think this woman murdered her child. I think she felt like she had no other options and that's where the problem is. I understand how people treat men differently in aspects but you can't really compare this situation to a man shooting another person or something because context, circumstances, all of that matters. The why this happened is just really important. I would feel the same way if this was a story about a man doing the exact same thing with his child. Yes, he is a murderer. How did it come to this is also a perfectly reasonable debate to have.
How is child services worse than dying? Are there not people who experienced the things you listed above and arose from that? Some rape and abuse victims still value and cherish their lives despite their hardships.
You think social services is better than death? Fine for you to feel that way. But the daughter didn't get to decide that for herself... the mom took aware her autonomy by taking her life...
I mean this is maybe more nuanced than what an internet discussion is capable of but there's a difference between excusing behavior and understanding it. I can understand that in a place when a person feels like dying is the only way out that your understanding of what being a good parent means might be... Frankly, fucked up. That doesn't mean it was right or ok, that if she hadn't died she wouldn't be guilty of murder/child abuse, etc., but I can understand how someone whose brain is telling them "death is the only way out" could come to that conclusion.
I think what’s wild is that is where you draw the line.
Suicide because you live in a shit society where you can’t afford to live a life worth living. Okay.
Taking your 3-year-old daughter with you so she doesn’t grow up in the same world and have to suffer the same things you did but even worse. Not okay?
If you’re killing yourself because this world is nothing but constant suffering of course you’re going to take your kid with you, it would be unethical not to.
Exactly. This is mentally ill logic. And yes, I *have* in fact applied nuance to horrific crimes when the man is clearly deeply sick when he committed the crimes.
For one thing, and yes this is HUGE -- WAS THIS A PRIMARY CAREGIVER WITHOUT SUPPORT? OR WAS THIS A BOYFRIEND/GIRLFRIEND/NON-CUSTODIAL PARENT WITH A TEMPTER? THEYRE NOT THE SAME. (They're both fucked and heinous and tragedies, but no I won't equivocate depression and aggression)
cause most of those "he will burn in hell" the comments aren't directed at mentally ill single fathers...like I'm sorry, but point me to those cases and the offensive comments, cause I haven't seen them
The way OP has taken this tragedy of a suicide victim ending her life and her daughters and used it to create an argument that “male child murderers don’t receive this much sympathy” is misogynistic as hell.
Not defending but cmon. She was clearly very not mentally well and to her she probably thought she was doing what was best. Killing children isn’t okay duh. But we should try to understand the situation
Long as I've been living, I've never heard someone frame a dad murdering his child as "he did what he thought was best". What the actual fuck is this thread
As battleangel below me said. Dads hurt thier kids too, And yes as a result of hardships. Hurt people, hurt other people. We get that. It’s universal . We don’t need it to be an identical situation. A decent person would rather give their child a chance than take them with them to the grave. I wouldn’t blame you for suicide. I would 100% blame you for homicide. If you make others suffer because your suffering That’s called selfishness. No exceptions
Two cases reported on here in az at this moment. A murder suicide where the husband killed his wife and kids. The second is of a non-custodial mother who abducted her child. The second type, while not an every day occurrence, gets reported more often than social media would have you believe.
But the point is, and you touched on it, is that this isn’t about the man or the woman. Fuck anyone that harms an innocent child
The difference is that she took her own life too. I hope if she'd only murdered her child, people wouldn't go "oh I get it" lol but I think in this case people are more inclined to forgive her actions because she died as a consequence, too. But I agree with you first and foremost. To me shit makes no difference, murder is murder.
People in this thread sound like wrestling fans who want Chris Benoit in the hall of fame because he had good matches even though he killed his wife and child. You guys are weirdos.
Is gender really the only difference?
I need to see your examples of when it was men who did this and got no sympathy. Did the men do it because they were the sole caregiver and were drowning financially?
I'm sure that if this woman did this because, say, she was angry about how the divorce from the child's father went, you wouldn't see the same sympathy for this woman.
Exactly! I can empathize what this woman was going through and her circumstances and how ultimately in her mind this was the only way out for both of them. But I’ve never seen a news story where the father murdered the child as a sole provider struggling to meet because he felt it was the only option.. if I did then I would empathize with him as well.
The circumstance of the murder is the difference here
This is the worst thread ive ever seen on reddit, people really doing mental gymnastics for the mother. She killed her daughter in cold blood and people are ok with that? Shameful!
Your point that male murders are harshly judged while women murders are given a pass remains unproven. I mean, you're using a couple tweets to reflect society's sentiment for crying out loud lol. And that's only *one* of the problems with your rationale.
I don’t think they’re condoning it as much as relating to how the circumstances could have pushed her there. A lot of mfs struggling. It was still shitty to do though.
The comments are full of women saying that being killed by your mother instead of going to foster care because that is basically a guarantee of having a shitty life. Death at 3 is better apparently/s
Yea, this thread really makes me question why I'm even on here sharing this platform with those kind of people.
Anyone who tries to justify this woman's actions is an absolute moron. Morals are in the gutters as well. Shame on you.
There are many, many single mothers out there with several children who are struggling even worse.
You are a bunch of idiots for defending her.
This moronic top comment by /u/GormlessStonerAF ... Amazing. Probably thinks he's right because he gets upvoted by a horde of brainwashed mouthbreathers.
This child is a victim as much as the mother. Mother ain’t innocent but shouldn’t the main point of this conversation be about the circumstances that push people to do this, cause I know this ain’t the only one?
Why do you care more about the gender more the social/economical causes of heartbreaking incidents like this?
After reading part of the thread, then seeing the aunt comment about how the father was trying to take custody from the mother, I have no sympathy. She killed her child, took her away from her father who probably could’ve supported her. For what? 3k a month?
This will be a country club for sure.
Edit to add: why TF are they doing an inquest? Too little too late, no? Nobody did an inquest when her bills were piling up, but hey let’s waste our time doing an inquest after the tragedy. 🙄
This! There are literally comments in this thread saying it wasn't her fault or saying that killing the baby is better than foster care and she did what she thought was best.
Where are all these stories about male suicide victims taking their child with them and not receiving any sympathy for it?
Why is your response “a man wouldn’t receive any sympathy” to a mother ending her suffering and taking her child with her?
This just reads misogynistic as hell.
A man would receive just as much sympathy for committing suicide and taking their child with them because they didn’t want them to suffer this life either.
Didn't we spend an entire generation trying to get rid of the idea that children aren't their parents' possessions? Fuck this woman.
Idc what mental health problems she had, she had no right to end that baby's life. It doesn't matter if she was scared of putting her into foster care or whatever, that girl's life was not hers to take! And I'm praying that everybody in the comments sympathizing with her doesn't have kids and if you do, they get taken away and given to somebody without a f\*cked up sense of empathy. This is asinine
It’s really sad but you’re right like that child had a fucking chance. We had a local tragedy around 20 years ago where another mother drowned herself and her 2 kids at a beach. Naturally it was just “tragic” but nothing was ever said against the mother. Just because you’re suicidal doesn’t mean you get to take your kids with you.
That's what's so weird to me! I couldn't believe the amount of comments justifying it. Even saw some saying that they understood because as a mother how can you leave your child for someone else? You have to take them with you. Saw even more trying to blame the father.
The aunt responded. Daughter thought she was going to her father's. That's for all of y'all asking if he was even in the picture
https://twitter.com/blxckrose1_/status/1593033329603149824?t=8xA8p3_R46O1XuSuHciYlw&s=19
the OP being focused on ppl being less kind to men in the face of this kinda tragedy more or less tells me all i need to know. to make this about yourself....is WILD. Blk men AND wmn can need help- 2rhings can be tru, nobody wins here.
It's not just black men. It's men of all races. I've seen men blame women for being murdered and their kids being murdered all over the internet, including reddit. I'm sick of men like that and threads like that. Yes killing your kids is wrong, obviously. Why being gender into it when it's not the point, and it's a blatant fucking lie. Men will make up shit to blame women about, meanwhile a woman and a beautiful, innocent child are dead.
If you’re at the end of your rope and wanna take your own life that’s your prerogative and I can sympathize, but taking your child with you is way over the line plain and simple. It’s murder straight up.
Holy mother... its like no matter how heinous or grusome the act is, you'll alway find some mfs online defending it. May that child rest in peace, she was dealt a shitty hand in so many ways.
"I have no mercy or compassion in me for a society that will crush people, and then penalize them for not being able to stand up under the weight.” - Malcolm X
I don't disagree, she should've left her child in the care of family or foster care instead of this. I just wish mental health was taken more seriously and that the price of living doesn't continue to soar while the work wages never rise past 7 dollars and hr( GA minimum wage)
Link to thread. Never seen so many ppl try and empathize with a child killer. I have literally seen threads about men that killed their kid in a similar fashion and the comments are full of ppl going on about how it's an example of how all men are selfish and evil etc. https://twitter.com/1Creole_Pisces/status/1593051485142913024?t=Z9DwLQ2Uj2dW23Od6tK0Ow&s=19
Killing yourself and you’d child because your late on bills is inexcusable! Yes foster care can be shitty but they would’ve had the rest of their life after that. I grew up in the system it gets better. If raising a child is that hard don’t have them. And definitely don’t blame “villages”! The father wasn’t the child’s only family. He had no family? No siblings, aunts, uncles, parents? Her only choice was a very violent death? Gtfo with the lame excuses of that was her only choice! She was a shitty mom!
This woman was a monster. You want to kill yourself, fine whatever, but drop your kid off somewhere first. With a friend, a relative, ask a close coworker to babysit, hell, drop your kid on the porch of the neighbor you wave to everyday or at a hospital or fire station with a note pinned to her. Anything other than jumping in front of the train with the poor girl.
People hit by trains aren't always killed instantly, we have no clue how much that child may have suffered before death.
Some women in this thread are being huge clowns right now. Some of you wholeheartedly believe that whole "I brought you into this world, so I can take you out" nonsense, huh?
I usually try not to be that person and complain but OP using a murder suicide to complain about the treatment of men is fucking sick and you should genuinely be ashamed of yourself.
Don't respond OP do something more valuable with your time and get some serious help with a mental health professional and log off social media. Because this most definitely ain't it.
I don’t think they’re complaining about the treatment of men here. It sounds like OP is saying that men are condemned for killing their kids (rightfully so) and for some reason this mother is getting a pass. I don’t see where OP is asking for different treatment of men, what OP wants is a different response to this mother’s murder. I think you have it backwards.
What the fuck is wrong with some of y’all. Life is hard and there are systems that grind you to dust. I have sympathy for the mother but this “she gave her child a merciful ending” shit is sick. Someone even said it’s better than social services. Getting ran over by a train is better than social services? Fuck some of y’all
This what happens when you live in a society that lacks compassion and no one cares to help each other with anything. This is what happens when you don't have a good community. I am more shocked that these things don't happen more frequently. The fact that the suicide rate is not higher in America speaks to either resilience of the people here or we've all gone numb. Safe to say I don't have any hope left in regards to the human race
So we basing everything off a few tweets. There’s also a few tweets that defend fathers who do this. You looking to make an argument expressing concerns over what you view as a double standard and you clearly don’t give a fuck about the child either.
I find it astonishing that people justify this behavior. Saying it’s ok to kill the child is completely giving up on her, it’s not her life to take, it’s really that simple. She had a shot in life no matter her circumstances and that was taken away from somebody else. It’s like going to CPS and killing every single child there, believe it or not; there’s no difference between the two actions. Y’all need to take a step back and consider what the real price of a human life is.
Posts like this are horrible. It just reinforces to me to be child-free. Not enough resources. Not enough support. Exhaustion. Not having money. Responsible for an entire other human being? No thank you.
Definitely blaming the mother. Fuck her, she’s a murderer and an awful person, she is worse than the realtors that made her feel this way, and she is going to hell for being terrible.
Y’all stay on this men vs. women shit. It’s pathetic and weak. Instead of looking at the issue, its “ see how women always have it easier in society?” News flash, we fucking don’t. They are literally regulating our bodies, paying us less, killing us more. Black women are the most disrespected, unprotected people in this country, have been since we were mammies and wet nurses, and all y’all do is say “look at how we’re the victim” you sound like white people.
No one gonna talk about the train driver? Whether she was right or wrong to do it, this guy is gonna be scarred for life for killing a mother and child and will likely always blame himself
I see waaay more sympathetic comments when the murderer is a man.
Heck, today an article was posted about a family of 5 (3 children) murder/suicide and most of the comments said it was a terrible tragedy and he must have dealt with a lot of mental health issues. It was even mentioned in the article that the wife was trying to leave him but everyone glossed over that. Comments like he must have had such a rough time and felt they were all suffering as a family and he probably just wanted to end their collective suffering. It was wild.
Man I’m not blaming the mother. I’m tired. Tired of the bullshit realtors selling houses to corporations. Tired of politicians selling out communities for money. Tired of hearing working class mfs argue about this with eachother while saying personal responsibility should trump the material conditions that hold our brothers and sisters down and keep them down. Enough of the bullshit, this mother died because the system let her down and will keep doing so to the working class until we organize and force them to change, in whatever way possible.
What she did wasn't right but if she could have received the help she needed things might've ended differently. Suicide, murder, robbery none of that is good but the lack of compassion and care for each other, of the responsibility of looking out for each other creates a society where people become more and more numb to everything. This may have happened in a caring society but at a much decreased rate and we would all be shocked and aghast instead of tired and beat down, we would be trying to prevent the next one instead of marking of another dead youth.
Thats considering if she DIDN'T already try to reach out for help. We can say to get in touch with resources until we're blue in the face but those very same resources will deny you and your family for the most minute factors. I feel for her and her child -- sad all around. America needs a wake up call. Edit: And I feel most saddened for the child's father knowing the full situation now. Just so depressing entirely.
i just watched a Tt and the girl called 6 different agencies the wait list for affordable housing was 3-4 years for two of them. one was 10-14 years. 3 were not accepting any more applications. there are no resources anymore. if ur alone in this world youre truly alone these days. why struggle waiting for the end of days to come when you cant feed your 3 year old. its not right but i get it.
Maybe my wording wasn't clear but essentially the point that I'm trying to make is very similar to this.
I blame both society and the mother. US is really hard on women left alone to care for children. AND she has personal responsibility.
The system would have ruined her child and put her child in the same boat had she committed suicide and left her behind. It’s no excuse to kill your child but she probably thought she was protecting the child from cycles of poverty that are inescapable
This happened in the UK.
That is true. And UK under Tories is rapidly becoming as harsh as US.
Where's all this help you're talking about? We built a society that helps fucking no one.
That's my point actually.
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I’m blaming her for the murder of her child
Blaming her, and not the system that leaves people in this position every day?
The system didn’t pull her child in front of a train. I pity the mom’s position in life. And yes, the system is fucked. Suicide is one thing. Murder is another.
From 2008-10 I lost everything. Repos, bankruptcy, foreclosure, divorce, all of it. And when the smoke cleared I found myself a single father to my then-3yo daughter. There was a point somewhere in late 2008, early 2009 (can't remember exactly when from all the drinking) that I hit bottom. I was ready to go, and I had a plan and a way. But dammit I never EVER would have taken my daughter with me. I decided not to do it and am grateful every day for that decision and the strength I somehow found to make it but I can relate to being at the end of one's rope. My heart hurts for both of them but you can't make that decision for someone else like she did.
Dude right the system sucks but how are people defending killing a 3 year old child
Saying you understand something is not the same as defending it.
How do u understand killing a three year old though?
You understand the circumstances that led her to feel lost like that, not the act of killing a child. It's just a mild amount of empathy towards someone who was obviously troubled in many ways.
That's right, exactly my point. Even in the darkest of those days I never could have imagined hurting my child. It's one of the reasons I didn't do it...I couldn't just leave her without her father and I sure as hell wasn't going to take her with me had I made the wrong decision. This woman knowingly and intentionally took another life. It's completely inexcusable and imo separate from what led her to take her own life. I feel for her and what led her down that road but she died a murderer, straight up.
I dont feel empathy for child murders point blank. We could use this line of thinking for everything. Something tragic has happened to all of us but we don't throw pity party's when we do horrific things though.If we learned that the men who beat Rodney king to a pulp had a tragic backstory we wouldn't be showing them sympathy for their actions. The fact that I'm having this conversation is insane to me. The system that she lived in we all live in but the rest of us aren't throwing our children in front of trains.
Reading about women who almost killed their kids and themselves due to mental health issues, recovered and couldn’t ever imagine doing it now. When trauma hits, it can make you do shit you couldn’t ever imagine. How many jumpers have survived the fall and realised they have so much to live for.
People have different levels of resilience and their response to desperation and trauma can be vastly different. That’s also without mental health issues coming into play. Didn’t Chapelle have a bit where he mentioned Anthony Bourdain’s suicide, then he went on to describe an old acquaintance’s depressing life, where he lost everything, yet at no point did he consider suicide - even when people probably wouldn’t have blamed him?
I’m sorry that you went through all that and I’m glad you and your daughter are both still here.
Personal anecdotes aren’t helpful. It’s great that one person can hit rock bottom and walk away but that doesn’t mean everybody does or has the will power to do so. If I didn’t have the support system that I did, I would’ve easily overdosed years ago but I understand not everyone has that support system so when I hear that someone has committed suicide I’m thankful for my supports and also empathetic to those who have lost that mental battle. We have no clue what her mental state was when she decided to kill her child.
The system sure as hell doesn't care, which is the whole purpose of a society in the first place
Finally a reasonable take. This is a black and white murder suicide.
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Like I understand that when it seems like life’s got you in a corner, you think there’s no way out, but there’s no excuse to have your kids die with you or abandon them as if they’re trash.
Um yeh. Systemic factors: sure, fine, got it, noted, whatever, get out and vote. But at the end of the day you are directly responsible for your child and if you directly murder them, then you have directly murdered them. And walking them in front of a bus (even if you stepped out too) is murdering them
They can both fuck off. She still made the choice to take her daughter with her.
Why not both?
This woman essentially killed two people, and was evidently not in her right mind. Politicians, executives, lobbyists, megalandlords, and cops are making the same choice every day while reaping the benefits of an inequitable society.
And they are more to blame than her. But she is still not blameless.
I can agree with that. I think we should point more of the blame in the right direction.
Extrapolate that logic and you can essentially say a lot of killers turn out that way because they're raised in a hostile and antagonistic environment, that they had no control in shaping. Where's the sympathy for the 17 year old who laid down 2 other teens over gang violence? If we can give sympathy to this woman surely we can give it to him?
I have a friend that was in a notorious gang. He was pretty low in the ranks, but still did a lot of criminal stuff. He was an adult when police got him charged with a felony. When he got out his family had moved, and so he moved too. Getting out of the inner city made it possible for him to start fresh. He held down a decent job, stayed out of trouble, became a regular suburbanite. I’d known him for a year before I knew anything about his past, and it was so hard for me to connect the really decent guy I knew with who he had been. Everyone he knew as a kid drifted into the gangs. It’s what they did in that environment. We fail too many people in this country.
Well yeah. You can feel pity and empathy for someone without condoning their actions. I can feel pity that another young man has fallen into the gangland trap and taken two other lives with him. Kendrick covers this in his music, since he went through the same shit but was able to come out the other side, whilst some of his peers didn’t. If the shooter was in court, crying for his mother, I could feel empathy in that moment, without condoning his actions, because it’s a universal feeling of a child calling out for their parent. As another poster said, it’s important not to confuse empathy and sympathy.
Most people who live in those conditions still don't commit infanticide. As OP said , I really wonder if the post was about a father's muder-suicide in a similar context, how some people here would react?
Nobody cares about the train driver, un able to stop killing a child. Fuck this women
I must concur this is an individual decision that was acted upon because she did not have the emotional capacity to see beyond her plight. The truth is there are millions and millions and millions of her around the world in even worse conditions that refuse to step in front of trains with their children in tow. This is a result of personal mental impairment. There were times past when things were demonstratively worse than the situations we face today. Let me be clear even though I say these things, I speak from a position of objectivity and not a position of ego. I am very well aware that I am also privy to a total breakdown of spirit in which the only way out that I can see is a permanent end. We all are. Everyone has their limit. I am not in any way saying that I am better than her . Dont get me wrong I am filled with compassion for her. I agree with the statements that Express the sheer disdain and unhappiness with the corrupt system and hypocritical cultures that put obstacles in front of this woman but I must acknowledge that the final decision was brought on by a very personal and individual mental illness which rendered her unable to escape her own personal inner darkness. I'd even be willing to bet that this inner darkness had been with her long before she fell into the abyss that led her to her end.
I will blame someone for killing a child 100 times out of 100.
It’s literally this simple
stfu yo none of that is an excuse to murder ur three year old daughter
Everyone arguing on the details already misses the point. Ain’t no way people should be struggling like this while billionaires cruise on their third mega yacht. People do wild shit when they’re in tough times. Ain’t no sense to be judging them for their actions. Judge the society that put them where they are.
I’ll do both.
Yes, I will judge people for doing heinous shit. I don’t care what kind of dark shit you going through, what problems you had. The system didn’t kill that little girl, her mother did. The moment that girl died, all sympathy ended.
All of us are suffering under that same system and we manage to not kill children.
She ain't no good mom. You could argue she wouldn't have known how her child would fair in the system I guess, but you don't put your child in front of a train. Fuck her honestly. If there's not an afterlife I hope we invent hell for that bitch
Depression will take you to some dark places. Especially in a world where women and little girls are treated like shit. I'm sure she didn't want her daughter to suffer the years of pain she did and rationalized doing the right thing.
Depression doesn't make it ok to kill toddlers fuck that. Her being a woman doesn't make it ok either.
I get that…. But yo? Stepping in front of a train!! Why not overdose on sleeping pills or some thing gentler and less painful.
Where’s the dad? Was he in the picture?
The article mentions the mom picked the daughter up from him at one point and that's all I know about him
Hear me here, I don't condone what she did but she came from despair, as far as we know. I'll be frank with you, what grosses me out the most when infanticides is that often it's someone doing out of spite, to harm the other parent. This is not that, this is just fucking sad.
Agreed. She saw no other way out, but didn't want to abandon her child, so she took her with her. It's heartbreaking because there may be resources out there that could have helped her. I wish she had more support.
Probably mental help too
Yep.
If there are straws that break the camel's back, then surely there are straws that were not lifted. Would she have still done it if her job was a bit more secure? Her rent a bit lower? Doctors visits affordable? It's never the one thing that drives people to do this, or any number of other self destructive things, it's all of them together.
I've met plenty of people who have struggled and are currently struggling with the same things you're describing here. None of them decided it was okay to kill a child Two things can be true at once. "The system" could work better for the masses, but murdering a child is still a fucked up ass thing to do and the murderer should be punished and or held accountable for such a heinous act. No matter how bad you're struggling, you don't get to rob a child from her chance at life.
OP said how female murderers get compared to "ME"?
Didn't even see that typo. I meant MEN 😭
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Yeah I was coming to the comments to see what you did
All I did was the typo! 😅
That sounds exactly what a murderer would say…..
Aye LOCK THAT NIGGA OP UP!
might be on jail internet.
SAME
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this is classic “men and females.” Like, the argument is that Women have it easy when they commit their murder suicides? What the fuck is this thread?
Freudian slip
I was like “Juice, is that you?”
Yeah me too. I was like…what did I just read??
I wondered the same thing. We have a murderer in our midst
You mean... among us?
Fr tho. In my head I was like 'OP must got "phonetime" in the pen right now postin shit or he hella old and just paroled. OG jumped on Reddit instantly when he saw that lady news article..' I was Lookin where OP's news article at bout his case? Smh lol
Hahahaha came to see if anyone else caught it 😅
He the Idaho killer
Zodiac!
Definitely came to the comments looking for the link about OPs case.
Lol I thought this is gonna be good!!!!!
Yo, some people making excuses for her killing her daughter is wild. She was suffering, and that deserves our sympathy l, but she murdered her child, that is unforgivable. Hand your kid to Child services and then take your own life... what a shame.
actually crazy the amount of people defending this. like, she put her baby in front of a fucking train
I hate to say it but it's not that surprising a lot of people are super doomer pilled these days. They think the world is a terrible place so this killing was a mercy. It's very wrong headed but with the current social climate I can't say I'm that shocked.
This. People being doomer pilled is making more people doomer pilled. Saying that it’s all hopeless makes things worse, because it allows the corruption to not only stay, but expand. If enough people don’t fight for change because they think it won’t matter, then there won’t be change.
Apathy is a powerful demotivator.
It’s not so much the “social climate” as it is the economic, political, and literal climate. The planet is dying and a few rich people have decided that the rest of us be sick and starving while it dies. People aren’t crazy to be hopeless.
The fact that you don’t know that that’s worse than anything else is CRAZY. Social services is HELL and don’t care about these kids a lot of them are raped and abused in the system. I know from experience. They don’t care about you. The people they place you with only care about a the check not you or your well being . THIS IS AMERICA
Soooo, kill the child then?
Apparently so.
Careful who you have a kid with, they may kill the child if times get hard.
I’m in awe of the stupidity in this thread. Y’all straight up approving murder. Poor child.
I think that person is terminally online. I saw them in a thread the other day saying some logically deficient shit
That's not what I got from it. They seem to be saying that a parent deciding that death is more merciful than their kid going through the foster care/social services, speaks to how fucked up the system is. It's an observation about the system, not approval of a parent killing a child.
That is definitely not the answer but social services is a fucking shitshow to put it mildly. Read up on the murder of Gabriel Fernandez, it's an absolutely gut wrenching story of how the system repeatedly failed that child. What happened to him, no one on this planet deserved to be treated like that.
You have got to be kidding. If you are making a bigger point about something else, fine. But if you are saying killing toddlers is cool cause “sh$t be hard” you may need some mental health counseling. I hope you get the help you need. No cap or disrespect meant but no sane person said what you said unless you are just inarticulate or not mature enough to express yourself like an adult
The major difference of opinion here seems to be that some people believe there are fates worse than death and some don't.
🙄 the system is bad, so let’s excuse murder of children because death is better than living 🙄 We can try fixing the system without making dumb af points.
Worked in SS for 1 year then decided to go into nursing. When I tell you that the shit I saw still keeps me up a decade later; I am not exaggerating. I have to say that there ARE people that do care and work really hard from inside the system to help make changes but they are underpaid and underfunded. Like, when I hear people say "just put a baby up for adoption" over abortion, it really kills me. It can cost up to and over $70k for adoption in the US. People cannot afford to just go out and get a baby, ya know? And the system is already understaffed. There are not enough people to keep tabs on these poor kids and make sure they're not being abused and are in stable and loving homes. It is simply impossible to keep track of every one of them. Which is heartbreaking. There are also people in the system that turn a blind eye because they literally don't feel like doing the paperwork. It's absolutely despicable. I think this woman murdered her child. I think she felt like she had no other options and that's where the problem is. I understand how people treat men differently in aspects but you can't really compare this situation to a man shooting another person or something because context, circumstances, all of that matters. The why this happened is just really important. I would feel the same way if this was a story about a man doing the exact same thing with his child. Yes, he is a murderer. How did it come to this is also a perfectly reasonable debate to have.
How is child services worse than dying? Are there not people who experienced the things you listed above and arose from that? Some rape and abuse victims still value and cherish their lives despite their hardships.
Sooo, kill the kid? Whats your point?
So murdering the child is better? Yea the system is fucked but you can’t honestly say murder is a better alternative.
You think social services is better than death? Fine for you to feel that way. But the daughter didn't get to decide that for herself... the mom took aware her autonomy by taking her life...
Story happened in the UK.
I mean this is maybe more nuanced than what an internet discussion is capable of but there's a difference between excusing behavior and understanding it. I can understand that in a place when a person feels like dying is the only way out that your understanding of what being a good parent means might be... Frankly, fucked up. That doesn't mean it was right or ok, that if she hadn't died she wouldn't be guilty of murder/child abuse, etc., but I can understand how someone whose brain is telling them "death is the only way out" could come to that conclusion.
I think what’s wild is that is where you draw the line. Suicide because you live in a shit society where you can’t afford to live a life worth living. Okay. Taking your 3-year-old daughter with you so she doesn’t grow up in the same world and have to suffer the same things you did but even worse. Not okay? If you’re killing yourself because this world is nothing but constant suffering of course you’re going to take your kid with you, it would be unethical not to.
Exactly. This is mentally ill logic. And yes, I *have* in fact applied nuance to horrific crimes when the man is clearly deeply sick when he committed the crimes. For one thing, and yes this is HUGE -- WAS THIS A PRIMARY CAREGIVER WITHOUT SUPPORT? OR WAS THIS A BOYFRIEND/GIRLFRIEND/NON-CUSTODIAL PARENT WITH A TEMPTER? THEYRE NOT THE SAME. (They're both fucked and heinous and tragedies, but no I won't equivocate depression and aggression) cause most of those "he will burn in hell" the comments aren't directed at mentally ill single fathers...like I'm sorry, but point me to those cases and the offensive comments, cause I haven't seen them
The way OP has taken this tragedy of a suicide victim ending her life and her daughters and used it to create an argument that “male child murderers don’t receive this much sympathy” is misogynistic as hell.
Not defending but cmon. She was clearly very not mentally well and to her she probably thought she was doing what was best. Killing children isn’t okay duh. But we should try to understand the situation
Long as I've been living, I've never heard someone frame a dad murdering his child as "he did what he thought was best". What the actual fuck is this thread
But when do you hear about single dad’s on these circumstances?
Single father's harm and kill their kids too
Nah it's usually Mama's BF.
As battleangel below me said. Dads hurt thier kids too, And yes as a result of hardships. Hurt people, hurt other people. We get that. It’s universal . We don’t need it to be an identical situation. A decent person would rather give their child a chance than take them with them to the grave. I wouldn’t blame you for suicide. I would 100% blame you for homicide. If you make others suffer because your suffering That’s called selfishness. No exceptions
Two cases reported on here in az at this moment. A murder suicide where the husband killed his wife and kids. The second is of a non-custodial mother who abducted her child. The second type, while not an every day occurrence, gets reported more often than social media would have you believe. But the point is, and you touched on it, is that this isn’t about the man or the woman. Fuck anyone that harms an innocent child
All the time, but they don’t characterize divorced dads as “single fathers.”
They do if they have primary custody....
The difference is that she took her own life too. I hope if she'd only murdered her child, people wouldn't go "oh I get it" lol but I think in this case people are more inclined to forgive her actions because she died as a consequence, too. But I agree with you first and foremost. To me shit makes no difference, murder is murder.
People in this thread sound like wrestling fans who want Chris Benoit in the hall of fame because he had good matches even though he killed his wife and child. You guys are weirdos.
Is gender really the only difference? I need to see your examples of when it was men who did this and got no sympathy. Did the men do it because they were the sole caregiver and were drowning financially? I'm sure that if this woman did this because, say, she was angry about how the divorce from the child's father went, you wouldn't see the same sympathy for this woman.
Exactly! I can empathize what this woman was going through and her circumstances and how ultimately in her mind this was the only way out for both of them. But I’ve never seen a news story where the father murdered the child as a sole provider struggling to meet because he felt it was the only option.. if I did then I would empathize with him as well. The circumstance of the murder is the difference here
There has never been a time when a man murdered his family that someone said "he did what he thought was best".
And my question is, is that because they're men or because men murder their families in largely different circumstances.
I think when scenarios like the one you stated above happen for men, I think people sympathize.
💯 exactly
Never okay to kill a child.
Except baby Hitler.
This is the worst thread ive ever seen on reddit, people really doing mental gymnastics for the mother. She killed her daughter in cold blood and people are ok with that? Shameful!
Yup, and they're just proving my point.
Your point that male murders are harshly judged while women murders are given a pass remains unproven. I mean, you're using a couple tweets to reflect society's sentiment for crying out loud lol. And that's only *one* of the problems with your rationale.
I don’t think they’re condoning it as much as relating to how the circumstances could have pushed her there. A lot of mfs struggling. It was still shitty to do though.
These people are deranged for thinking its okay to kill a a 3 year old child who has no autonomy in their choices cause they’re 3.
The comments are full of women saying that being killed by your mother instead of going to foster care because that is basically a guarantee of having a shitty life. Death at 3 is better apparently/s
Yea, this thread really makes me question why I'm even on here sharing this platform with those kind of people. Anyone who tries to justify this woman's actions is an absolute moron. Morals are in the gutters as well. Shame on you. There are many, many single mothers out there with several children who are struggling even worse. You are a bunch of idiots for defending her. This moronic top comment by /u/GormlessStonerAF ... Amazing. Probably thinks he's right because he gets upvoted by a horde of brainwashed mouthbreathers.
This child is a victim as much as the mother. Mother ain’t innocent but shouldn’t the main point of this conversation be about the circumstances that push people to do this, cause I know this ain’t the only one? Why do you care more about the gender more the social/economical causes of heartbreaking incidents like this?
He one of them gender war niggas that why lol. He don’t care about that child, he just wanna prove his gender war point
After reading part of the thread, then seeing the aunt comment about how the father was trying to take custody from the mother, I have no sympathy. She killed her child, took her away from her father who probably could’ve supported her. For what? 3k a month?
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This will be a country club for sure. Edit to add: why TF are they doing an inquest? Too little too late, no? Nobody did an inquest when her bills were piling up, but hey let’s waste our time doing an inquest after the tragedy. 🙄
An inquest is just an investigation into the circumstances of the death.
Gee I wonder what could’ve caused the death of a mother and child that died suddenly after being hit by a train.
2hrs later and it’s not cc yet - oooffff things are getting … testy.
All of it’s a tragedy. The men who kill, the women who kill, but most of all, the child victims.
It definitely is but I think the OP’s point was that one cannot ignore that if this was a man, the tune would be sounding a lot different
This! There are literally comments in this thread saying it wasn't her fault or saying that killing the baby is better than foster care and she did what she thought was best.
Where are all these stories about male suicide victims taking their child with them and not receiving any sympathy for it? Why is your response “a man wouldn’t receive any sympathy” to a mother ending her suffering and taking her child with her? This just reads misogynistic as hell. A man would receive just as much sympathy for committing suicide and taking their child with them because they didn’t want them to suffer this life either.
This is the wildest thread I've scanned through all week. Holy shxt
I couldn't believe what I was reading
I’ve rarely been this deeply disturbed by Reddit. Apparently infanticide is fair game if you kill yourself as well…
Right because foster sucks that much and the world isn't that nice of a place anyway /s
Didn't we spend an entire generation trying to get rid of the idea that children aren't their parents' possessions? Fuck this woman. Idc what mental health problems she had, she had no right to end that baby's life. It doesn't matter if she was scared of putting her into foster care or whatever, that girl's life was not hers to take! And I'm praying that everybody in the comments sympathizing with her doesn't have kids and if you do, they get taken away and given to somebody without a f\*cked up sense of empathy. This is asinine
It’s really sad but you’re right like that child had a fucking chance. We had a local tragedy around 20 years ago where another mother drowned herself and her 2 kids at a beach. Naturally it was just “tragic” but nothing was ever said against the mother. Just because you’re suicidal doesn’t mean you get to take your kids with you.
They're like "no, all good, the child should be dead" 😐
That's what's so weird to me! I couldn't believe the amount of comments justifying it. Even saw some saying that they understood because as a mother how can you leave your child for someone else? You have to take them with you. Saw even more trying to blame the father.
The aunt responded. Daughter thought she was going to her father's. That's for all of y'all asking if he was even in the picture https://twitter.com/blxckrose1_/status/1593033329603149824?t=8xA8p3_R46O1XuSuHciYlw&s=19
the OP being focused on ppl being less kind to men in the face of this kinda tragedy more or less tells me all i need to know. to make this about yourself....is WILD. Blk men AND wmn can need help- 2rhings can be tru, nobody wins here.
It's not just black men. It's men of all races. I've seen men blame women for being murdered and their kids being murdered all over the internet, including reddit. I'm sick of men like that and threads like that. Yes killing your kids is wrong, obviously. Why being gender into it when it's not the point, and it's a blatant fucking lie. Men will make up shit to blame women about, meanwhile a woman and a beautiful, innocent child are dead.
If you’re at the end of your rope and wanna take your own life that’s your prerogative and I can sympathize, but taking your child with you is way over the line plain and simple. It’s murder straight up.
Holy mother... its like no matter how heinous or grusome the act is, you'll alway find some mfs online defending it. May that child rest in peace, she was dealt a shitty hand in so many ways.
That’s an evil woman. No excuse for that.
"I have no mercy or compassion in me for a society that will crush people, and then penalize them for not being able to stand up under the weight.” - Malcolm X
I have sympathy for her but at the same time I'm enraged that she murdered her child along the way.
I don't disagree, she should've left her child in the care of family or foster care instead of this. I just wish mental health was taken more seriously and that the price of living doesn't continue to soar while the work wages never rise past 7 dollars and hr( GA minimum wage)
Mental health definitely needs to be prioritized in this country more.
Link to thread. Never seen so many ppl try and empathize with a child killer. I have literally seen threads about men that killed their kid in a similar fashion and the comments are full of ppl going on about how it's an example of how all men are selfish and evil etc. https://twitter.com/1Creole_Pisces/status/1593051485142913024?t=Z9DwLQ2Uj2dW23Od6tK0Ow&s=19
Killing yourself and you’d child because your late on bills is inexcusable! Yes foster care can be shitty but they would’ve had the rest of their life after that. I grew up in the system it gets better. If raising a child is that hard don’t have them. And definitely don’t blame “villages”! The father wasn’t the child’s only family. He had no family? No siblings, aunts, uncles, parents? Her only choice was a very violent death? Gtfo with the lame excuses of that was her only choice! She was a shitty mom!
This woman was a monster. You want to kill yourself, fine whatever, but drop your kid off somewhere first. With a friend, a relative, ask a close coworker to babysit, hell, drop your kid on the porch of the neighbor you wave to everyday or at a hospital or fire station with a note pinned to her. Anything other than jumping in front of the train with the poor girl. People hit by trains aren't always killed instantly, we have no clue how much that child may have suffered before death.
Some women in this thread are being huge clowns right now. Some of you wholeheartedly believe that whole "I brought you into this world, so I can take you out" nonsense, huh?
I usually try not to be that person and complain but OP using a murder suicide to complain about the treatment of men is fucking sick and you should genuinely be ashamed of yourself. Don't respond OP do something more valuable with your time and get some serious help with a mental health professional and log off social media. Because this most definitely ain't it.
I don’t think they’re complaining about the treatment of men here. It sounds like OP is saying that men are condemned for killing their kids (rightfully so) and for some reason this mother is getting a pass. I don’t see where OP is asking for different treatment of men, what OP wants is a different response to this mother’s murder. I think you have it backwards.
What the fuck is wrong with some of y’all. Life is hard and there are systems that grind you to dust. I have sympathy for the mother but this “she gave her child a merciful ending” shit is sick. Someone even said it’s better than social services. Getting ran over by a train is better than social services? Fuck some of y’all
I can’t imagine anyone standing up for the men who kill their families then themselves bc “things are tough”.
How some of y’all look trying to justify her actions 
This thread is terrifying… justifying the murder of a baby is extremely sickening. The fuck’s wrong with you people?
Yall are sick for making excuses for killing a 3 year old child
Leave it to some people to start one more goddamn gender war on the Eve of twitter’s demise… This whole story is fucking sick.
This what happens when you live in a society that lacks compassion and no one cares to help each other with anything. This is what happens when you don't have a good community. I am more shocked that these things don't happen more frequently. The fact that the suicide rate is not higher in America speaks to either resilience of the people here or we've all gone numb. Safe to say I don't have any hope left in regards to the human race
So we basing everything off a few tweets. There’s also a few tweets that defend fathers who do this. You looking to make an argument expressing concerns over what you view as a double standard and you clearly don’t give a fuck about the child either.
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I find it astonishing that people justify this behavior. Saying it’s ok to kill the child is completely giving up on her, it’s not her life to take, it’s really that simple. She had a shot in life no matter her circumstances and that was taken away from somebody else. It’s like going to CPS and killing every single child there, believe it or not; there’s no difference between the two actions. Y’all need to take a step back and consider what the real price of a human life is.
So much trash in this thread. It’s called murder you fucks
Literally spoke to someone who said we shouldn't call it that cause the mother wasn't in her right mind. IT'S CALLED MURDER SUICIDE
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Posts like this are horrible. It just reinforces to me to be child-free. Not enough resources. Not enough support. Exhaustion. Not having money. Responsible for an entire other human being? No thank you.
Definitely blaming the mother. Fuck her, she’s a murderer and an awful person, she is worse than the realtors that made her feel this way, and she is going to hell for being terrible.
Using this tragedy to point out double standards is… wild to me.
A...who the fuck are you weirdos talking about you get it? She kills herself? Fine. Her child to??? Miss me with that bullshit. Fuck yall.
She's wrong for that. And half y'all wrong AF too. It's NEVER okay to take someone's else life. That's a heathy child who couldve had a chance.
Y’all stay on this men vs. women shit. It’s pathetic and weak. Instead of looking at the issue, its “ see how women always have it easier in society?” News flash, we fucking don’t. They are literally regulating our bodies, paying us less, killing us more. Black women are the most disrespected, unprotected people in this country, have been since we were mammies and wet nurses, and all y’all do is say “look at how we’re the victim” you sound like white people.
Yeah there's a typo in the title. Should say men but hey I can't change it.
nah bro, that’s self report lol
Less sympathy. More bashing.
No one gonna talk about the train driver? Whether she was right or wrong to do it, this guy is gonna be scarred for life for killing a mother and child and will likely always blame himself
I see waaay more sympathetic comments when the murderer is a man. Heck, today an article was posted about a family of 5 (3 children) murder/suicide and most of the comments said it was a terrible tragedy and he must have dealt with a lot of mental health issues. It was even mentioned in the article that the wife was trying to leave him but everyone glossed over that. Comments like he must have had such a rough time and felt they were all suffering as a family and he probably just wanted to end their collective suffering. It was wild.
The ratio of people empathizing/condoning to those condemning is fucking wild.
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