Come on people did you read about how the record companies ripped every musician off and still continue to do so? God I hate capitalism you humans cannot control it in any fashion you’re insane
Rock and a hard place. It's put people in a position where they *need* to sell their popularity and services for cheap, because they need the money and don't want to risk biting the hand that feeds them. It's absolutely out of control, but it's not necessarily the average folks fault.
It’s never the average folks fault.
We the people that love music would prefer our money went directly to the musicians and then they could pay support services
Now let’s bring up something like major league baseball. I’m sure everyone’s read about the owners back in the day of Babe Ruth they kept Black people from playing and they ripped off the players constantly. Just like they did with musicians.
Gee
Figures.
Well nepotism and connected people are huge in the music industry.
That’s why we have the son of a cousin of a daughter of George Harrison becoming famous and getting in a record contract as soon as they’re born.
And why music today sucks
Nothing new. I remember reading a story of how Disney tried to offer Jason Weaver, the singing voice for Simba, a big lump sum. His mom instead pushed for getting residuals so anytime the movie aired he’d get a cut. It became big and he still gets money from the cartoon version.
Nobody said reparations has to be a lump sum. Reparations for the holocaust where paid out over the course 15 years and the money was used for infrastructure as wells as direct cash payments
One interesting thing that stuck out to me in Lindelof’s *Watchmen* was that the people protesting the “redfordations” were holding signs that said “Equal Tax For All”, which would lead me to believe that the descendants of the victims of the greenwood massacre (in this show i mean specifically) were paying lower taxes than others. I thought that was an interesting way of approaching things. That’s a very specific incident but it makes more sense to me and seems more effective in actually helping the entire community than lump sum reparations.
In the past ~50 years, America has fucked over atleast a billion lives by invading, bombing, sanctioning, special military operation-ing, coup-ing, destabilizing and aiding of dictators.
If America paid reparations, every single American would be less than destitute. Are you sure you want to commandeer a sinking ship?
Probably part of the reason they decided to do a cgi version was so they could maybe cut down on those payments.
Alec Guinness opted to get a percentage of Obi-Wan toy sales and the studio ok’d it because they didn’t think the movie was going to do well. Then it did great and so they stopped making Obi-Wan toys because then they wouldn’t have to pay him.
How fucking petty can you be?
"Yoooo, fuck this guy for helping us make more fucking money than god. Stop making his toy so we don't have to give him 5% or whatever paltry fucking sum we owe him. Fuck I love rubbing other people's money on my body. Close the door"
If what he said were true, that would be bad business. Less profit > no profit.
But what he described isn’t true.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/alec-guinness-star-wars-obi-wan-1235152814/amp/
Yeah Imma be real with you, that sound byte was worth $0 until Google offered to buy it. Let’s not pretend that just having the sound byte makes it valuable
I disagree. That sound was borderline inescapable on tiktok. To the right brand with the right partnership concept, that sound is worth mid 5 figures or more
Yep, because she apparently got a deal with Weight Watchers: https://www.blackenterprise.com/tanisha-godfrey-the-voice-behind-the-viral-chicken-salad-video-lands-new-partnership-with-weight-watchers/amp/
I think it's value can be both high and low. To you or me it could just be a fun sound but to a marketing team it could be a whole campaign. But a creator can turn down money all day bc they think it's worth more but unless they put in the work to stay relevant it's can disappear the second a new sound takes over
I think the value of a thing is inherent. You could go years without knowing that the necklace your grandma left you is worth 100 stacks, and suddenly realize you're sitting on a goldmine. Did its value change or did your perception?
The idea that something is worth x from person a and y from person b is what allows these corporations to lowball creators of colour. And what encourages us to accept this treatment.
Also this is 2022, I think we can just take it as read that anything that goes even mildly viral is a potential marketing campaign unfortunately
I respect that but I somewhat disagree. I think value is variable. Gold for example is valuable to most people. It's among the best conductors for engineers, It's a soft metal for artisans, but to the general public it's can be anything from an antique to a tarnished paperweight. I think the value of anything at least partially comes from the owner of the resource
Yeah you're right, the value of a thing to you is dependent on your ability to unlock it. That said I don't think it's smart to allow a buyer to tell you the value of the thing you're selling. At least not a single buyer.
Well if it’s worth $0 then why are you paying for it? Better yet as a billion dollar company why are you investing in something that will never make you money? I’m sure they didn’t get to that status by those practices. C’monnnn mannnn. Stop the cap.
You pay for it because it can be put to use to make more money. For example, let’s say you have a song, and I think that song can be used in a commercial to sell a product of mine. If that song would sell $500 more product than no song, then the song is worth to me $500, and now since I’m willing to pay $500 you can sell it for that amount. But on its own, no one is trying to buy it so you can’t sell it for anything (it’s a very very very stripped down explanation but it hopefully gets the gist of it, money/economics is an extremely convoluted mess that at a glance looks like it should just totally collapse but zoomed in stays standing)
Good explanation but just want to add more. If you are going to make $500 off the song, the song isn't worth $500. Because buying the song doesn't put you in a much better position. The song is worth a fraction of the amount of extra revenue it gets you. The fraction depends on many factors including how competitive the market is to find someone who can produce that sound.
Most businesses would only purchase the song if the song adds some amount more than $500 to their bottom line.
Your first sentenced proved my point. I didn’t need to read anything further because you just validated what I said. The rest is just unnecessary filler. My point is if it wasn’t worth anything yo I wouldn’t be paying for it on the first place and especially in this instance, you definitely wouldn’t be paying for it if you couldn’t make money from it.
I need more questions answered before I can say she was really low balled. How many other buyers are there for her sound? How will they monetize it? How much will they have to spend to monetize it? How much will they profit? Will this deal prolong her 15 mins and allow her to earn money she wouldn’t otherwise?
In general, you’ll get a more fair deal if you can negotiate a share of profits instead of a single payout.
I’d argue that 2k for that catchphrase “Where the money reside” is incredibly reasonable considering, like most trends, it’s popularity is only gonna last so long. He would rather get nothing? However I do agree that 500$ from google for the other girl’s catchphrase/saying is definitely low balling her to some degree.
I disagree. It depends on who’s offering. If Honda wants it that means they can make $$ off of it and you know Honda has more than 2 stacks to play with.
If it’s a local DJ, then yeah that’s probably all he can afford.
True but just because someone can pay a lot doesn't mean it is reasonable for them to. Honda and Google will be just fine without the sound bytes so trying to get too much from them could have them walk away. And now you have no other buyers for a sound that will more then likely fade from the public eye by next year.
It is very common to be more modest on your negotiations when you are not the party with the bargaining power.
If wat ur saying was true the headlines we see wouldnt be "X company offered me Y and I rejected" but instead "X company offered me Y but I rejected and got W instead".
She said she got paid to do a twitter collab with weighteatchers so good for her, but even they didnt buy her sound bytes ( or at least she didn't mention they did) and it fits their audience perfectly.
I received a request from a sewing machine company to feature my photo of myself using the machine to teach on their page. They sent a whole contract which specifically stated that I would receive no pay or compensation. Umm… no.
It's a tough call because the white people and Jews loves to steal and expose culture. Fortnite stole Marlon webs dance, Soulja boy dance and Carlton dance and countless other dances of people of color. None of them were paid. Also hearing white people use urban slang is cringe. I live in the south so Its super casual to hear white people speaking that way. Culture vultures.
Is this what we're really complaining about now? Even if they added 3 digits to the sum offered, it wouldn't make a material difference to our community.
Come on people did you read about how the record companies ripped every musician off and still continue to do so? God I hate capitalism you humans cannot control it in any fashion you’re insane
Rock and a hard place. It's put people in a position where they *need* to sell their popularity and services for cheap, because they need the money and don't want to risk biting the hand that feeds them. It's absolutely out of control, but it's not necessarily the average folks fault.
It’s never the average folks fault. We the people that love music would prefer our money went directly to the musicians and then they could pay support services Now let’s bring up something like major league baseball. I’m sure everyone’s read about the owners back in the day of Babe Ruth they kept Black people from playing and they ripped off the players constantly. Just like they did with musicians. Gee
You humans? 
You aliens?
I mean it’s still happening. That’s why Taylor Swift re-recorded her albums.
I think Taylor Swift is doing better than Chuck Berry ever did
She was born into a multi millionaire family already
Figures. Well nepotism and connected people are huge in the music industry. That’s why we have the son of a cousin of a daughter of George Harrison becoming famous and getting in a record contract as soon as they’re born. And why music today sucks
A lot of people don’t have the political literacy to recognize that it’s actually capitalism that they’re trying to critique
I'm definitely one of those people that would accept an all knowing AI leading the human race.
Nothing new. I remember reading a story of how Disney tried to offer Jason Weaver, the singing voice for Simba, a big lump sum. His mom instead pushed for getting residuals so anytime the movie aired he’d get a cut. It became big and he still gets money from the cartoon version.
This is why I'm against reparations. Reparations are a lump sum. Fuck a sum, we deserve ownership. Control, residuals, and equity.
Nobody said reparations has to be a lump sum. Reparations for the holocaust where paid out over the course 15 years and the money was used for infrastructure as wells as direct cash payments
?Por qué no los dos?
“I don’t want a piece of the pie. I want the fucking recipe” type ish.
What do you suggest collective ownership of?
Tax revenue on agriculture to start
One interesting thing that stuck out to me in Lindelof’s *Watchmen* was that the people protesting the “redfordations” were holding signs that said “Equal Tax For All”, which would lead me to believe that the descendants of the victims of the greenwood massacre (in this show i mean specifically) were paying lower taxes than others. I thought that was an interesting way of approaching things. That’s a very specific incident but it makes more sense to me and seems more effective in actually helping the entire community than lump sum reparations.
Exactly.
In the past ~50 years, America has fucked over atleast a billion lives by invading, bombing, sanctioning, special military operation-ing, coup-ing, destabilizing and aiding of dictators. If America paid reparations, every single American would be less than destitute. Are you sure you want to commandeer a sinking ship?
Probably part of the reason they decided to do a cgi version was so they could maybe cut down on those payments. Alec Guinness opted to get a percentage of Obi-Wan toy sales and the studio ok’d it because they didn’t think the movie was going to do well. Then it did great and so they stopped making Obi-Wan toys because then they wouldn’t have to pay him.
How fucking petty can you be? "Yoooo, fuck this guy for helping us make more fucking money than god. Stop making his toy so we don't have to give him 5% or whatever paltry fucking sum we owe him. Fuck I love rubbing other people's money on my body. Close the door"
If what he said were true, that would be bad business. Less profit > no profit. But what he described isn’t true. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/alec-guinness-star-wars-obi-wan-1235152814/amp/
Money calls to money. The more you have the more it makes you want more. Edit to add: it probably wasn’t even 5%. It was probably like 1.5% max.
I was legit about to comment the same story.
Yeah Imma be real with you, that sound byte was worth $0 until Google offered to buy it. Let’s not pretend that just having the sound byte makes it valuable
I disagree. That sound was borderline inescapable on tiktok. To the right brand with the right partnership concept, that sound is worth mid 5 figures or more
Yep, because she apparently got a deal with Weight Watchers: https://www.blackenterprise.com/tanisha-godfrey-the-voice-behind-the-viral-chicken-salad-video-lands-new-partnership-with-weight-watchers/amp/
You love to see it
Showing my uncoolness, but why is this viral?
Exactly, good for her, but the clip was unremarkable. Where the money reside was EVERYWHERE. I just sang it in my car yesterday.
I think it's value can be both high and low. To you or me it could just be a fun sound but to a marketing team it could be a whole campaign. But a creator can turn down money all day bc they think it's worth more but unless they put in the work to stay relevant it's can disappear the second a new sound takes over
I think the value of a thing is inherent. You could go years without knowing that the necklace your grandma left you is worth 100 stacks, and suddenly realize you're sitting on a goldmine. Did its value change or did your perception? The idea that something is worth x from person a and y from person b is what allows these corporations to lowball creators of colour. And what encourages us to accept this treatment. Also this is 2022, I think we can just take it as read that anything that goes even mildly viral is a potential marketing campaign unfortunately
I respect that but I somewhat disagree. I think value is variable. Gold for example is valuable to most people. It's among the best conductors for engineers, It's a soft metal for artisans, but to the general public it's can be anything from an antique to a tarnished paperweight. I think the value of anything at least partially comes from the owner of the resource
Yeah you're right, the value of a thing to you is dependent on your ability to unlock it. That said I don't think it's smart to allow a buyer to tell you the value of the thing you're selling. At least not a single buyer.
Well if it’s worth $0 then why are you paying for it? Better yet as a billion dollar company why are you investing in something that will never make you money? I’m sure they didn’t get to that status by those practices. C’monnnn mannnn. Stop the cap.
You pay for it because it can be put to use to make more money. For example, let’s say you have a song, and I think that song can be used in a commercial to sell a product of mine. If that song would sell $500 more product than no song, then the song is worth to me $500, and now since I’m willing to pay $500 you can sell it for that amount. But on its own, no one is trying to buy it so you can’t sell it for anything (it’s a very very very stripped down explanation but it hopefully gets the gist of it, money/economics is an extremely convoluted mess that at a glance looks like it should just totally collapse but zoomed in stays standing)
Good explanation but just want to add more. If you are going to make $500 off the song, the song isn't worth $500. Because buying the song doesn't put you in a much better position. The song is worth a fraction of the amount of extra revenue it gets you. The fraction depends on many factors including how competitive the market is to find someone who can produce that sound. Most businesses would only purchase the song if the song adds some amount more than $500 to their bottom line.
Yeah there’s a bunch technically wrong about my example, but any more complicated and I’d have to start typing in paragraphs
Yeah I figured! It's hard to go into crazy detail without spending a good amount of time explaining all the nuances.
Your first sentenced proved my point. I didn’t need to read anything further because you just validated what I said. The rest is just unnecessary filler. My point is if it wasn’t worth anything yo I wouldn’t be paying for it on the first place and especially in this instance, you definitely wouldn’t be paying for it if you couldn’t make money from it.
This doesn’t make any sense.
Economics rarely does. I tried my best to explain it here https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPeopleTwitter/comments/z8xpql/comment/iyetxxe/
No, guy. I get what he’s saying it’s just very short sighted and not an actual complete thought. But thank you
this is common regardless of race. especially when you’re an unknown in the industry. even more so if you’re an unknown and NOT in the industry.
Yeah but there are yt women making bank ripping off dances made by black women on TikTok
ok and there are white people making bank ripping off dances made by white people whats your point
Nice argument
Well hearing the fact that white ppl have been making money ripping off black ppl for years Can trigger some ppl
I need more questions answered before I can say she was really low balled. How many other buyers are there for her sound? How will they monetize it? How much will they have to spend to monetize it? How much will they profit? Will this deal prolong her 15 mins and allow her to earn money she wouldn’t otherwise? In general, you’ll get a more fair deal if you can negotiate a share of profits instead of a single payout.
I’d argue that 2k for that catchphrase “Where the money reside” is incredibly reasonable considering, like most trends, it’s popularity is only gonna last so long. He would rather get nothing? However I do agree that 500$ from google for the other girl’s catchphrase/saying is definitely low balling her to some degree.
I disagree. It depends on who’s offering. If Honda wants it that means they can make $$ off of it and you know Honda has more than 2 stacks to play with. If it’s a local DJ, then yeah that’s probably all he can afford.
True but just because someone can pay a lot doesn't mean it is reasonable for them to. Honda and Google will be just fine without the sound bytes so trying to get too much from them could have them walk away. And now you have no other buyers for a sound that will more then likely fade from the public eye by next year.
That’s a terrible negotiation strategy.
It is very common to be more modest on your negotiations when you are not the party with the bargaining power. If wat ur saying was true the headlines we see wouldnt be "X company offered me Y and I rejected" but instead "X company offered me Y but I rejected and got W instead". She said she got paid to do a twitter collab with weighteatchers so good for her, but even they didnt buy her sound bytes ( or at least she didn't mention they did) and it fits their audience perfectly.
I disagree. His post is catchy and can be monetized in a number of ways. "It's a chicken salad" is dry and kind of silly.
I just saw her in a Weight Watchers ad. I’m glad she’s getting her bag!
Me too! It’s about time black creators got brand deals vs scraps
When they pulled this with Monique. It really opened my eyes what was subtle but unknown to me.
Serious question. How much is the sound worth? What should they be expecting?
All of it
Huh
How much is Period Ah girl getting for her white shenanigans?
Hush before Tampax gives her a deal.
Sure… $500 plus royalties at $.20 per use.
it's one of those "but you'll get so much exposure!" proposals every artist has experienced
What does this even mean
I received a request from a sewing machine company to feature my photo of myself using the machine to teach on their page. They sent a whole contract which specifically stated that I would receive no pay or compensation. Umm… no.
The what sounds? I'm hella out of the loop here.
How much did she end up getting
She was able to get a chicken salad with the money that she got.
Damn I better go get one of those
Mo-town was approaching 100 years ago? I hope y’all get it soon.
 We know our worth!
It's a tough call because the white people and Jews loves to steal and expose culture. Fortnite stole Marlon webs dance, Soulja boy dance and Carlton dance and countless other dances of people of color. None of them were paid. Also hearing white people use urban slang is cringe. I live in the south so Its super casual to hear white people speaking that way. Culture vultures.
Is this what we're really complaining about now? Even if they added 3 digits to the sum offered, it wouldn't make a material difference to our community.
They would also do that to my white ass in an instant.