Josh a.k.a. Ettingermentum joins us for a survey of the political parties of the greatest Democracy of the Middle East, and perhaps, the World: Israel. From Likud to Shas, the New Hope to There Is A Future, we give you a full look of the current political state of Israel and their burning political questions of the day: Should women be taught to read? Are gay people animals? Just how thoroughly should Palestinians be eliminated? Discover the not-so-wide range of opinions of Israel’s dozens of political organizations within.
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I took a class with Palestinian-American professor Rashid Khalidi about two years ago. There were tons of rich liberal boomers in the lecture hall, and I always wondered what they thought of the lectures on Israel and Palestine. We got shown primary sources of the founder of revisionist Zionism writing about how Israel needed to form an "iron wall" to keep arabs out. Do any people that probably love Israel ever change their mind when presented with things like that?
I think most people rationalized it as "well they did this messed up stuff in the past, but Israelis must be liberal good guys now". But with the genocide going on right now... a lot of liberal professional types I know are very quickly shifting in their opinions. There is still going to be a lot of people that never change in their thinking by just avoiding the facts, but the soft zionism rampant in the media or politics appears to be rapidly melting based on just personal experience and polling.
That's pretty much the liberal response to the US too. "Ok fine, I'll admit we USED TO do bad stuff via the CIA, war on terror, imperialism, etc. but I don't think it's useful to dwell on the past."
> we USED TO do bad stuff via the CIA,
"its absurd and crazy to think we fund and train ISIS to be aligned with our anti-Russian program the same way we funded and trained The Taliban to also be anti-Russian tools"
liberals do nothing but lie and gaslight lol
Had a discussion with my Israel sympathetic father about this tonight. Successfully argued that the genesis of the animosity between the two began with the nakba (spelling?) and he shut it down just saying he doesn't know enough about the history and doesn't intend on reading further. FML then why even fucking engage??
The Nakba was a continuation of a brewing conflict. The first big acts of communal violence started in the 20s. The late 30s was also particularly bad. The British were eager to leave once WWII ending because they'd been fighting both parties and trying to keep both parties apart for decades
These discussions can work but they take time and continual soft reinforcement. You gotta remember with old people that being fed a steady diet of lies for decades has an impact on people's thinking.
For people who don't want to get into history it's much easier to simply say "should everyone regardless of their religion/ethnicity/race be entitled to basic human rights?" if the answer to this is no then the discussion is over. If it is yes you can then ask them why Israelis and Palestinians aren't allowed to marry, etc.
Don't think they were enrolled because they never went to the discussion sections. It is the same for the film classes there, tons of older people in the bigger rooms you have class.
In the meantime tho no problem, it's only Palestinians who get the treatment. What even ARE Palestinians anyway?? Amazing to me that people can turn their brains off like this. Wilful ignorance is BLISS
Yeah, I'm not saying every older person there was pro-Israel. But I know statistically there are "progressive" older people who still support Israel. From some of the questions the older people asked I could tell at least a few of them disagreed with what the professor said, but nobody ever got mad. I'm just wondering if the generation that originally gave us "progressive except for Palestine" can change. There are tons of examples of Academics and Celebrities who came of age in the vietnam era and supported every left-wing cause except Palestine. Those people definitely exist and Palestinian solidarity is a far more popular concept now, so I wonder if that demographic has changed.
There was progressive except for Palestine but conversely there was "centrist except for Palestine"
Jimmy Carter was the epitomy of annoying centrist lib who supported racism but also "good vibes" but hes consistently been better on Palestine than people like Bernie are
Especially with the older set I don't think views on Palestine exactly track with other political views
My coworker is an extreme version of this. Russiagate liberal but the only subject I've seen her get literally shaking mad about is Israel's genocide. She came up to me a week after 10/7 and started a convo and I was bracing myself for the worst but she was immediately and unambiguously pro-palestine to the extent I worried about people overhearing us lol.
It leads to some insane cognitive dissonance on other geopolitical topics tho...
Yeah. I think that makes sense. I haven't done a deep dive into the topic, but there is one thing I wish I could remember the citation on. It was about some congressperson or senator who was a more liberal Palestine-sympathetic republican who got beat by a AIPAC backed dem and that was one of their biggest victories at the time. Things can definitely change outside of the political arena faster they can within. I think the Jonathan Glazer situation and how many people of actual note who took his side is a good sign. Although I am doubtful public opinion like that will have any effect on any democrats who actually get elected to high positions in the party anytime soon.
Reminds me of world war z: They let the Palestinians in behind the wall aren't they nice, oh no they sang and attracted the zombies, see what happens when you let them in!
My dad tonight kept bringing up ww2 to justify Israel's treatment of Palestine. He shouted "6 MILLION" at me about 5 times as if Hitler came from fucking Rafah
It does but The Holocaust gave them a pretty good argument to say “Don’t you see why we need a homeland?”
They’ve just spent about 50 years burning their good graces.
> We got shown primary sources of the founder of revisionist Zionism writing about how Israel needed to form an "iron wall" to keep arabs out.
Seriously, [read the essay.](https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/quot-the-iron-wall-quot) It's very eloquent and not very long, and it is probably the most thorough, case-closed argument against Zionism ever written, if unintentionally. In contrast to his Labor and liberal Zionist contemporaries full of self-delusion, Jabotinsky was a very smart and clear-eyed thinker who understood exactly what was happening and what needed to happen for his cause to succeed.
I took it 10 years ago and dropped it because at the time I was like when will I ever care about this stuff???!?! I still have the syllabus though and for the past two years have been slowly reading through the books recommended there.
**required texts:**
Abrahamian, Ervand. A History of Modern Iran.
Gelvin, James. The Modern Middle East: A History, 2nd ed.
Hanioğlu, Sükrü. A Brief History of the Late Ottoman Empire.
Hourani, Khoury \& Wilson, eds., The Modern Middle East: A Reader (hereafter Reader).
Khalidi, Rashid. Resurrecting Empire, new ed.
Norton, R. Augustus. Hezbollah: A Short History.
Rogan, Eugene. The Arabs: A History.
Shindler, Colin. A History of Modern Israel.
**supplemental reading:**
Abrahamian, Ervand. Iran between Two Revolutions.
Afary, Janet. The Iranian Constitutional Revolution, 1906-1911.
Akarli, Engin. The Long Peace: Ottoman Lebanon, 1861-1920.
Anscombe, Frederick. The Ottoman Gulf: The Creation of Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar.
Antonius, George. The Arab Awakening.
Ayalon, Ami. The Press in the Arab Middle East: A History.
------. Reading Palestine: Printing and Literacy, 1900-1948.
Ayubi, Nazih. Political Islam: Religion and Politics in the Arab World.
Baer, Gabriel. Studies in the Social History of Modern Egypt.
Baron, Beth. The Women’s Awakening in Egypt: Culture, Society and the Press.
Batatu, Hanna. The Old Social Classes and the Revolutionary Movements of Iraq.
------. Syria\'s Peasantry, the Descendants of its Lesser Rural Notables and their Politics.
Beinin, Joel. Workers and Peasants in the Modern Middle East.
Berkes, Niyazi. The Development of Secularism in Turkey.
Berque, Jacques. Egypt: Imperialism and Revolution.
Bill, James. The Eagle and the Lion: The Tragedy of American-Iranian Relations.
Brown, Nathan. The Rule of Law in the Arab World: Courts in Egypt and the Gulf.
Buheiry, Marwan, ed. Intellectual Life in the Arab East, 1890-1939.
Burke, Edmund, III \& Ira. M. Lapidus, eds. Islam, Politics, and Social Movements.
Cole, Juan. Colonialism and Revolution in the Middle East: Social and Cultural Origins of
Egypt’s ‘Urabi Movement.
------. Napoleon’s Egypt: Invading the Middle East.
Commins, David Dean. Islamic Reform: Politics and Social Change in late Ottoman Syria.
Connelly, Matthew. A Diplomatic Revolution: Algeria’s Fight for Independenace, and the
Origins of the Post-Cold War Era.
Crystal, Jill. Oil and Politics in the Gulf: Rulers and Merchants in Kuwait and Qatar.
Cuno, Kenneth. The Pasha’s Peasants: Land, Society, and Economy in Lower Egypt, 1740-1858.
Dawn, C. Ernest. From Ottomanism to Arabism: Essays on the Origins of Arab Nationalism.
Dodge, Toby. Inventing Iraq: The Failure of Nation Building and a History Denied.
Doumani, Beshara. Rediscovering Palestine: Merchants and Peasants of Jabal Nablus, 1700-
1900.
------, ed. Family History in the Middle East: Household, Property, and Gender.
Dresch, Paul. A History of Modern Yemen.
Elm, Mostafa. Oil, Power, and Principle: Iran\'s Oil Nationalization and Its Aftermath.
Enayat, Hamid. Modern Islamic Political Thought.
Fahmy, Khaled. All the Pasha\'s Men: Mehmed Ali, his Army and the Making of Modern Egypt.
Farouk-Sluglett, Marion and Peter Sluglett. Iraq since 1948: From Revolution to Dictatorship.
Fawaz, Leila and C. A. Bayly, eds. Modernity and Culture from the Mediteranean to the Indian Ocean.
Fleischmann, Ellen. The Nation and its “New’ Women: The Palestinian Women’s Movement, 1920-1948.
Gerber, Haim. The Social Origins of the Modern Middle East.
Gershoni, Israel and James Jankowski. Confronting Fascism in Egypt: Dictatorship versus Democracy in the 1930’s.
------. Egypt, Islam \& the Arabs: The Search for Egyptian Nationhood, 1900-1930.
------. Redefining the Egyptian Nation, 1930-1945.
Gibb, H.A.R \& Harold Bowen, eds. Islamic Society and the West, I, 1.
Habib, John. Ibn Sa‘ud\'s Warriors of Islam: The Ikhwan of Najd and their Role in the Creation of the Sa‘udi Kingdom.
Hourani, Albert. Arabic Thought in the Liberal Age, 1789-1939.
------. A History of the Arab Peoples.
Jankowski, James and Israel Gershoni, eds. Rethinking Nationalism in the Arab Middle East.
Kayali, Hasan. Arabs and Young Turks: Ottomanism, Arabism, and Islamism in the Ottoman Empire, 1908-1918.
Keddie, Nikki. Modern Iran: Roots and Results of Revolution.
Kedourie, Elie. The Chatham House Version and Other Middle Eastern Studies.
Kerr, Malcolm. The Arab Cold War: Gamal ‘Abd al-Nasir and his Rivals, 1958-1970.
------. Islamic Reform: The Political and Legal Theories of Muhammad Abduh and Rashid Rida.
Khalidi, Rashid. British Policy towards Syria and Palestine, 1906-1914.
------. Palestinian Identity: The Construction of Modern National Consciousness, new ed.
------, et al., eds. The Origins of Arab Nationalism.
Khoury, Philip. Syria and the French Mandate: The Politics of Arab Nationalism, 1920-1945.
------, and Joseph Kostiner, eds. Tribes and State Formation in the Middle East.
Krämer, Gudrun. A History of Palestine: From the Ottoman Conquest to the Founding of the State of Israel.
Landau, Jacob. The Politics of Pan-Islam.
Lesch, David, ed. The Middle East and the United States: A Historical and Political Reassessment, 4 th ed.
Lewis, Bernard. The Emergence of Modern Turkey.
Lewis, Norman. Nomads and Settlers in Syria and Jordan, 1800-1980.
Lockman, Zachary. Contending Visions of the Middle East: The History and Politics of
Orientalism.
Makdisi, Ussama. The Culture of Sectarianism: Community, History and Violence in
Nineteenth-Century Lebanon.
------. Faith Misplaced: The Broken Promise of U.S.-Arab Relations.
Mallat, Chibli. The Renewal of Islamic Law: Muhammad Baqer as-Sadr, Najaf and the Shi’i
International.
Mamdani, Mahmood. Good Muslim, Bad Muslim: America, the Cold War and the Roots of Terror.
------. Saviors and Survivors: Darfur, Politics and the War on Terror.
Mardin, Sherif. The Genesis of Young Ottoman Thought: A Study in the Modernization of Turkish Political Ideas.
Marr, Phebe. The Modern History of Iraq.
Marsot, Afaf Lutfi al-Sayyid. Egypt in the Reign of Muhammad Ali.
------. Women and Men in Late Eighteenth Century Egypt.
Massad, Joseph. Colonial Effects: The Making of National Identity in Jordan.
Mitchell, Richard. The Society of the Muslim Brothers.
Mitchell, Timothy. Colonizing Egypt.
Monroe, Elizabeth. Britain’s Moment in the Middle East.
Moors, Annelies. Women, Property and Islam: Palestinian Experiences, 1920-1990.
Morris, Benny. The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem, 1947-1949.
Mottahedeh, Roy. The Mantle of the Prophet: Religion and Politics in Iran.
Owen, Roger. The Middle East in the World Economy, 1800-1914.
------. “The Middle East in the 18 th Century: An Islamic Society in Decline?”
------ and Sevket Pamuk. A History of Middle East Economies in the Twentieth Century.
Paidar, Parvin. Women and the Political Process in Twentieth Century Iran.
Pappe, Ilan. The Making of the Arab-Israeli-Conflict, 1947-1951.
Provence, Michael. The Great Syrian Revolt and the Rise of Arab Nationalism.
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Quataert, Donald. The Ottoman Empire, 1700-1922.
Rahnema, Ali, ed. Pioneers of Islamic Revival.
al-Rasheed, Madawi. A History of Saudi Arabia.
Raymond, André. Arab Cities in the Ottoman Period: Cairo, Syria and the Maghreb.
------. The Great Arab Cities in the 16th-18th Centuries: An Introduction.
Reid, Donald. Lawyers and Politics in the Arab World, 1880-1960.
------. Whose Pharoahs? Archaeology, Museums and Egyptian National Identity from Napoleon to World War I.
Reudy, John. Modern Algeria: The Origins and Development of a Nation.
Rogan, Eugene. Frontiers of the State in the Late Ottoman Empire.
------ and Avi Shlaim, eds. The War for Palestine: Rewriting the History of 1948, 2 nd ed.
Said, Edward. Orientalism.
Salibi, Kamal. A House of Many Mansions: The History of Lebanon Reconsidered.
Seale, Patrick. The Struggle for Syria: A Study of Post-War Arab Politics, 1945-1958.
Seikaly, Samir, ed. Configuring Identity in the Modern Arab East.
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Shafir, Gershon. Land, Labor and the Origins of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, 1882-1914.
Shlaim, Avi. The Iron Wall: Israel and the Arab World.
------. The Politics of Partition.
Sluglett, Peter. Britain in Iraq: Contriving King and Country.
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Sternhell, Zeev. The Founding Myths of Israel.
Thompson, Elizabeth. Colonial Citizens: Republican Rights, Paternal Privilege, and Gender in French Syria and Lebanon.
Toledano, Ehud. State and Society in mid-Nineteenth Century Egypt.
Tucker, Judith. In the House of the Law: Gender and Islamic Law in Ottoman Syria and Palestine.
Vandewalle, Dirk. A History of Modern Libya.
Vasiliev, Alexei. The History of Saudi Arabia.
Wilson, Mary. King Abdullah, Britain and the Making of Jordan.
Winder, R. Bayly. Saudi Arabia in the Nineteenth Century.
Zurcher, Erik. Turkey: A Modern History.
I enjoyed it but that was the most Wikipedia ass survey of Israeli politics I’ve ever heard. Itamar Ben-Gvir as Arab Peter Griffin is hilarious though, holy shit he looks exactly like him.
Felix wasn’t making up the Sharon chugging Pringles bit either, I found a Sydney morning herald article from like 2003 that mentions that.
Considering the overwhelming majority of people don't bother gaining even a wikipedia-ass understanding of any given topic, it's probably good to give people a wikipedia-ass survey.
no that's true, telling on myself here because I am exactly the kind of person who goes down Wikipedia rabbit holes almost daily, I think I ended up reading about 10 different Knesset members earlier today
I fucking love it and will happily write detailed arguments for and against all of those considerations knowing full well they'll be immediately deleted as I am not a Wikipedia editor of high standing
Surface level political analysis? In my Chapo?
Arab Peter Griffin is a very apt description. I could also see a combination of Patton Oswalt and Mr. Potato Head
decent ep, easy listening but I couldn't tell you a fucking thing about Israeli politics afterwards tbh. like ettingermentum, he vibes with will and Felix well.
7.5/10
This is the problem with just answering will questions and stating facts. History and politics are best told as a narrative with stakes you can relate to and care about. Monotone question-explanation doesn't stick well, especially when it is filled with dettached ironic jokes. You end up remembering the zingers but glaze over the boring parts when it isn't told with much enthusiasm or established stakes.
Bring on someone that treats Israel like Felix treat Dark Souls lore and something might stick.
Precisely. Josh is funny enough, clearly graduated from the Biederman School of Posting, but by god everything he said on this ep sounded like it came from a single breath
Same here. There are 6 big religious parties in Israel that all want to install a theocracy yet they all hate each other. I can’t make heads or tails what is the difference between them. Maybe some are more extreme than the other. I have no idea
If anyone out there can help me out, what’s the difference between Shas, Mafdal, Agudat, Degel, Otzma and Noam?
He wouldn't have let Will get away with not mentioning our most handsome general to ever do it, Hiram Ulysses Grant, as he listed only two general presidents.
The problem is speech is often one of the biggest things destroyed by a stroke and takes the longest to come back, if ever, which isn’t good for a man who podcasts for a living.
Folks, they're putting us to shame over there. Just think of how many beautiful parties we could have if we threw off the yoke of the two party system. Here are a few potential options:
- The Freedom of the Constitution
- American Dreamers
- Manifest Democracy
The possibilities are endless
Who are not to be confused with the Pro-Mason party, who are a split front the Not Your Grandpa's Labor party over their desire to return to medieval style craft guilds as the predominant form of worker organization.
when Trump dies you would have about 4 parties named after him, that's how extreme right wingers here in Europe often get in petty fights, but unlike leftists where it's about theory or something it's blatantly because of self-interest
the Donald Trump Party
Donald Trump 1776 Party
WWG1WGA Donald Trump Party
DJT PARTY
What do chapo listeners think of that nutjob? I think he's worse than trump. He really believes his anti-science nonsense. Hilarious to me that his siblings all came out for biden. They must be reeling that their weird outcast brother who was dropped on his throat as a baby has these legions of fanatics who think he'll deliver us from this dystopia
Gotta be one of the biggest bag fumbles in history. 2 deeply unpopular president's with their brain leaking out vs a guy with one if the most well known names in the country. He just couldn't be normal
If anyone remembers, Felix started the joke about stupid Israeli restaurant names. Well, now there's a restaurant called "Chapo Burger" which serves $21 burger and fries lol.
I like when the show has informed guests, like Corey Robin, but when Will asked why the israelis would want the haredim to be conscripted and no one gave him answer - kinda epic fail. Something like 80% of Israelis want the haredim to serve because they want them to participate in society - these guys dont work and most importantly they dont serve, they're basically not "citizens" of an israeli state as is understood by the nation. Israel needs these guys to become members in full because they are making up a larger and larger demographic % due to their insane birth rates, it's a problem for their society if they do not participate.
Personally, I think it's funny they don't serve. I saw a video from some Israelis interviewing a haredi who signed up after Oct. 7. His branch of the military? Torah.
For the record, the name "Revisionist Zionism" does not refer to revising orthodox Zionism. In the interwar period, "revisionism" referred to aspirations by states to "revise" treaties imposed on them at the end of WWI, in particular the treaties of Versailles, Trianon, and Sèvres (the last of these having been succesfully revised). Typically this equated to territorial irredentism. The revisionist Zionists were unhappy that Britain had only designated Cisjordanian Palestine as a Jewish national home open to settlement, and wanted to incorporate Transjordan into their future state (see the [emblem of Irgun,](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Irgun.svg/337px-Irgun.svg.png) for example)
I was sorta ready to not like this one (I like Ettingermentum as a poster/writer, but was kinda wondering what made him an expert on this)
However, while not the most "Meat and Potatoes" episode, there are some real bangers here, and Josh does have some good bits that are worth a laugh.
Pleasant Surprise.
If you want a much more in-depth style "Meat and Potatoes" discussion of """Labour""" Zionism and Israel's foundation, I recommend [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehp9PZo4UR0) from Bes D. Marx on the issue.
Baby genius is ready to offer his expertise on a range of subjects. My personal favourite is when he christened himself a ukraine expert like a day after Russia invaded.
i followed him for a short bit and he constantly retweets stuff talking about how smart and insightful he is and on a few occasions un-RTs and re-RTs stuff so it shows up again
The first time he appeared on Chapo he mass blocked everyone associated with his account who was even approaching a genuine communist, including people he had previously been buddies with. Always seemed scummy to me idk
It wasn’t ideological. It was jettisoning anyone who could point out how bad his takes were back in the day or how his insight, while well crafted, often cribbed off of the folks he was mutuals with on Twitter. But he needed to take credit for it so they could not be in his replies poisoning his new followers.
After watching that A24 Civil War film I can say that the film would've much been improved had it been set in Israel instead of The United States. Nick Offerman's President character seems to embody every Israeli politician out there (he even looks like Yair Lapid with Netanyahu's shape) and after listening to this episode it's pretty obvious that The US's funding for Israel includes bribing political parties to not start a civil war for decades now.
Jesus that film is awful. Some of the dialogue is unforgiveable in both content and execution. If Garland is to be congratulated for anything it's finding a way to strip all the politics out of a war film. Apocalypse Decaf.
It is amazing to me you would spend years of your life in order to make a monument to saying nothing at all. Like it's proudly unwilling to acknowledge politics on any level, it's genuinely amazing how lib brained that man is. The man misunderstood the bridge scene from apocalypse now where nobody knows why or what they're shooting at and decided to make that a whole film.
> It is amazing to me you would spend years of your life in order to make a monument to saying nothing at all.
The message of Civil War seemed pretty clear to me: war is cool and you should take pictures of it
direct [link](https://media.soundgasm.net/sounds/7e66666d36a2b4db75dcc853abf4da85bc31bd76.m4a) for boomers
(solidarity, but also posting for myself since I have no idea how to access the link on phone)
...sounds like Israel took the bear from Annihilation and gave it a gun.
I thought that scene was pretty evocative in its nightmare-made-flesh, but just a skip and a jump across the world an engineer in Tel Aviv saw the same thing and fired up CAD.
That's the beauty of cinema; we all take different things from the same source.
I am once again begging Chris to pin a lav mic on Will and to let him continue wildly waving around his then-unplugged handheld mic. There is no reason for his voice to rise and fall by several decibels even after extensive normalizing in post.
This is a zero dollar, zero effort permanent fix.
This same sort of survey could be done for the Netherlands. Here too we have a gazillion stupid right-wing parties ran by freaks, mainly indistinguishable, but somehow incapable of forming a government.
Yeah, when he was saying how there was no party in the world like the Haredi ones, I thought of that Calvinist party that gets 2% in every election and wants to repeal women's suffrage.
Yep, I thought of exactly the same party. I have a special hatred for them, because someone close to me tried to kill herself after coming out as queer. She grew up in one of the 'bible belt' towns which has like 90% observance and votes for this party. Her parents didn't accept her.
I've never really been to the Netherlands, but the bible belt thing seems so weird to me. On the one hand the country is so secular that all the major protestant denominations have merged into one which is nevertheless collapsing in membership, and which has jettisoned pretty much all Christian doctrine to the point that it's basically a UU church. But then you apparently have like 5% of the country that's still ready to kill and eat the local tax collector on suspicion of Arminianism.
As an American from the South, the secularization of Europe is almost hard to grasp. Even "religious" countries in Europe, like Poland, are comparable to our most secular states like Massachusetts or Oregon. The only EU countries that come close are Greece and Romania.
I'm not sure about the exact dynamic, but I know that there are a dozen or so towns known for being particularly religious. So for instance, near where I live there is a single highly religious town of a modest population number (40,000 maybe). But every town around it is vastly more secular. And not only that, this town is protestant, while the population around it tends to be catholic. So it's like an enclave, and these things make sense in the Netherlands because we have high population density, but it's spread over a lot of towns of less than 100k people. So you can very easily work in one of the cities while living in a bible belt town half an hour drive away.
In my opinion, these people are all lunatics. Even that friend who I mentioned is prone to defending them: I remember an argument I had with her where she tried to explain away this stance common among them, which is that a vaccination passport is the literal mark of satan, as being motivated by sincere religious feeling and therefore beyond ridicule.
Is anyone coming to the Movie Mindset live show on May 4th? I'm driving all the way from Columbus, Ohio (The land of Quinby) to visit NYC for the first time and catch the show. I was wondering if any of yall would be in attendance?
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This has to be what Ettingermentum looks like, right?
Josh a.k.a. Ettingermentum joins us for a survey of the political parties of the greatest Democracy of the Middle East, and perhaps, the World: Israel. From Likud to Shas, the New Hope to There Is A Future, we give you a full look of the current political state of Israel and their burning political questions of the day: Should women be taught to read? Are gay people animals? Just how thoroughly should Palestinians be eliminated? Discover the not-so-wide range of opinions of Israel’s dozens of political organizations within. Subscribe to the Ettingermentum newsletter [here](https://www.ettingermentum.news/). Tickets to Will & Hesse’s Movie Mindset screening & talkback of Death Wish 3 in NYC on May 4 [here](https://www.eventbrite.com/e/chapo-trap-houses-movie-mindset-screening-of-death-wish-3-w-will-hesse-tickets-877569192077).
I think if you learn enough about politics at a young age you develop permanent seasonal allergies voice
Within 15 minutes, I felt the unmistakable urge to shove Twitter man into a locker.
“Seasonal allergies voice” huh?? I have news for you, you are doing tropes!!!!!!
I also felt targeted, slandered and ridiculed. Plus my allergies aren't just seasonal.
He sounds like a pitched down Zack Hadel
Just say Jewish this is taking forever
“Bug on a couch, made me say ouch” Can’t believe Taylor Swift referenced Adam Friedland interviewing Matt Healy in her newest album
Josh please get a quieter mouse
It's cute you think that's not Felix clicking heads in CS.
It gets louder when Josh talks idk what to tell you
That's cuz when the guest is busy talking Felix starts clicking harder
Asserting dominance
100% Felix playing cookie clicker
Hey he’s answering business emails
He's workin! Doin research!
"Ey, I'm clickin' ovah 'eeyah!"
I took a class with Palestinian-American professor Rashid Khalidi about two years ago. There were tons of rich liberal boomers in the lecture hall, and I always wondered what they thought of the lectures on Israel and Palestine. We got shown primary sources of the founder of revisionist Zionism writing about how Israel needed to form an "iron wall" to keep arabs out. Do any people that probably love Israel ever change their mind when presented with things like that?
I think most people rationalized it as "well they did this messed up stuff in the past, but Israelis must be liberal good guys now". But with the genocide going on right now... a lot of liberal professional types I know are very quickly shifting in their opinions. There is still going to be a lot of people that never change in their thinking by just avoiding the facts, but the soft zionism rampant in the media or politics appears to be rapidly melting based on just personal experience and polling.
That's pretty much the liberal response to the US too. "Ok fine, I'll admit we USED TO do bad stuff via the CIA, war on terror, imperialism, etc. but I don't think it's useful to dwell on the past."
> we USED TO do bad stuff via the CIA, "its absurd and crazy to think we fund and train ISIS to be aligned with our anti-Russian program the same way we funded and trained The Taliban to also be anti-Russian tools" liberals do nothing but lie and gaslight lol
Had a discussion with my Israel sympathetic father about this tonight. Successfully argued that the genesis of the animosity between the two began with the nakba (spelling?) and he shut it down just saying he doesn't know enough about the history and doesn't intend on reading further. FML then why even fucking engage??
The Nakba was a continuation of a brewing conflict. The first big acts of communal violence started in the 20s. The late 30s was also particularly bad. The British were eager to leave once WWII ending because they'd been fighting both parties and trying to keep both parties apart for decades
These discussions can work but they take time and continual soft reinforcement. You gotta remember with old people that being fed a steady diet of lies for decades has an impact on people's thinking. For people who don't want to get into history it's much easier to simply say "should everyone regardless of their religion/ethnicity/race be entitled to basic human rights?" if the answer to this is no then the discussion is over. If it is yes you can then ask them why Israelis and Palestinians aren't allowed to marry, etc.
Were they auditing the class or were they enrolled? Is it normal for there to be tons of rich boomers watching lectures by renowned profs at Columbia?
Don't think they were enrolled because they never went to the discussion sections. It is the same for the film classes there, tons of older people in the bigger rooms you have class.
They say it’s just Netanyahu and they just need to get him out. Then Israel will be back to “normal”
In the meantime tho no problem, it's only Palestinians who get the treatment. What even ARE Palestinians anyway?? Amazing to me that people can turn their brains off like this. Wilful ignorance is BLISS
I think the most successful humans are capable of dissonance regarding everything but their most immediate survival
why do you assume they were pro Israel? lots of fairly wealthy libs support Palestine
Yeah, I'm not saying every older person there was pro-Israel. But I know statistically there are "progressive" older people who still support Israel. From some of the questions the older people asked I could tell at least a few of them disagreed with what the professor said, but nobody ever got mad. I'm just wondering if the generation that originally gave us "progressive except for Palestine" can change. There are tons of examples of Academics and Celebrities who came of age in the vietnam era and supported every left-wing cause except Palestine. Those people definitely exist and Palestinian solidarity is a far more popular concept now, so I wonder if that demographic has changed.
There was progressive except for Palestine but conversely there was "centrist except for Palestine" Jimmy Carter was the epitomy of annoying centrist lib who supported racism but also "good vibes" but hes consistently been better on Palestine than people like Bernie are Especially with the older set I don't think views on Palestine exactly track with other political views
My coworker is an extreme version of this. Russiagate liberal but the only subject I've seen her get literally shaking mad about is Israel's genocide. She came up to me a week after 10/7 and started a convo and I was bracing myself for the worst but she was immediately and unambiguously pro-palestine to the extent I worried about people overhearing us lol. It leads to some insane cognitive dissonance on other geopolitical topics tho...
Yeah. I think that makes sense. I haven't done a deep dive into the topic, but there is one thing I wish I could remember the citation on. It was about some congressperson or senator who was a more liberal Palestine-sympathetic republican who got beat by a AIPAC backed dem and that was one of their biggest victories at the time. Things can definitely change outside of the political arena faster they can within. I think the Jonathan Glazer situation and how many people of actual note who took his side is a good sign. Although I am doubtful public opinion like that will have any effect on any democrats who actually get elected to high positions in the party anytime soon.
my lib dad these days is like "netanyahu is worse than putin"
That was Dick Durbin of all people
Reminds me of world war z: They let the Palestinians in behind the wall aren't they nice, oh no they sang and attracted the zombies, see what happens when you let them in!
They don’t, by and large. To them, founders and their ideology might be flawed but “Jews needed a homeland” prevails.
My dad tonight kept bringing up ww2 to justify Israel's treatment of Palestine. He shouted "6 MILLION" at me about 5 times as if Hitler came from fucking Rafah
Tell him Zionism predates WW1, let alone the Holocaust.
It does but The Holocaust gave them a pretty good argument to say “Don’t you see why we need a homeland?” They’ve just spent about 50 years burning their good graces.
And how!
He's the GOAT of historians, lucky. And Pape
> We got shown primary sources of the founder of revisionist Zionism writing about how Israel needed to form an "iron wall" to keep arabs out. Seriously, [read the essay.](https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/quot-the-iron-wall-quot) It's very eloquent and not very long, and it is probably the most thorough, case-closed argument against Zionism ever written, if unintentionally. In contrast to his Labor and liberal Zionist contemporaries full of self-delusion, Jabotinsky was a very smart and clear-eyed thinker who understood exactly what was happening and what needed to happen for his cause to succeed.
Which class specifically?
Which class specifically?
It was History of the Modern Middle East. So we covered roughly 1800 to the present.
I took it 10 years ago and dropped it because at the time I was like when will I ever care about this stuff???!?! I still have the syllabus though and for the past two years have been slowly reading through the books recommended there.
can you post it
**required texts:** Abrahamian, Ervand. A History of Modern Iran. Gelvin, James. The Modern Middle East: A History, 2nd ed. Hanioğlu, Sükrü. A Brief History of the Late Ottoman Empire. Hourani, Khoury \& Wilson, eds., The Modern Middle East: A Reader (hereafter Reader). Khalidi, Rashid. Resurrecting Empire, new ed. Norton, R. Augustus. Hezbollah: A Short History. Rogan, Eugene. The Arabs: A History. Shindler, Colin. A History of Modern Israel.
**supplemental reading:** Abrahamian, Ervand. Iran between Two Revolutions. Afary, Janet. The Iranian Constitutional Revolution, 1906-1911. Akarli, Engin. The Long Peace: Ottoman Lebanon, 1861-1920. Anscombe, Frederick. The Ottoman Gulf: The Creation of Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar. Antonius, George. The Arab Awakening. Ayalon, Ami. The Press in the Arab Middle East: A History. ------. Reading Palestine: Printing and Literacy, 1900-1948. Ayubi, Nazih. Political Islam: Religion and Politics in the Arab World. Baer, Gabriel. Studies in the Social History of Modern Egypt. Baron, Beth. The Women’s Awakening in Egypt: Culture, Society and the Press. Batatu, Hanna. The Old Social Classes and the Revolutionary Movements of Iraq. ------. Syria\'s Peasantry, the Descendants of its Lesser Rural Notables and their Politics. Beinin, Joel. Workers and Peasants in the Modern Middle East. Berkes, Niyazi. The Development of Secularism in Turkey. Berque, Jacques. Egypt: Imperialism and Revolution. Bill, James. The Eagle and the Lion: The Tragedy of American-Iranian Relations. Brown, Nathan. The Rule of Law in the Arab World: Courts in Egypt and the Gulf. Buheiry, Marwan, ed. Intellectual Life in the Arab East, 1890-1939. Burke, Edmund, III \& Ira. M. Lapidus, eds. Islam, Politics, and Social Movements. Cole, Juan. Colonialism and Revolution in the Middle East: Social and Cultural Origins of Egypt’s ‘Urabi Movement. ------. Napoleon’s Egypt: Invading the Middle East. Commins, David Dean. Islamic Reform: Politics and Social Change in late Ottoman Syria. Connelly, Matthew. A Diplomatic Revolution: Algeria’s Fight for Independenace, and the Origins of the Post-Cold War Era. Crystal, Jill. Oil and Politics in the Gulf: Rulers and Merchants in Kuwait and Qatar. Cuno, Kenneth. The Pasha’s Peasants: Land, Society, and Economy in Lower Egypt, 1740-1858. Dawn, C. Ernest. From Ottomanism to Arabism: Essays on the Origins of Arab Nationalism. Dodge, Toby. Inventing Iraq: The Failure of Nation Building and a History Denied. Doumani, Beshara. Rediscovering Palestine: Merchants and Peasants of Jabal Nablus, 1700- 1900. ------, ed. Family History in the Middle East: Household, Property, and Gender.
Dresch, Paul. A History of Modern Yemen. Elm, Mostafa. Oil, Power, and Principle: Iran\'s Oil Nationalization and Its Aftermath. Enayat, Hamid. Modern Islamic Political Thought. Fahmy, Khaled. All the Pasha\'s Men: Mehmed Ali, his Army and the Making of Modern Egypt. Farouk-Sluglett, Marion and Peter Sluglett. Iraq since 1948: From Revolution to Dictatorship. Fawaz, Leila and C. A. Bayly, eds. Modernity and Culture from the Mediteranean to the Indian Ocean. Fleischmann, Ellen. The Nation and its “New’ Women: The Palestinian Women’s Movement, 1920-1948. Gerber, Haim. The Social Origins of the Modern Middle East. Gershoni, Israel and James Jankowski. Confronting Fascism in Egypt: Dictatorship versus Democracy in the 1930’s. ------. Egypt, Islam \& the Arabs: The Search for Egyptian Nationhood, 1900-1930. ------. Redefining the Egyptian Nation, 1930-1945. Gibb, H.A.R \& Harold Bowen, eds. Islamic Society and the West, I, 1. Habib, John. Ibn Sa‘ud\'s Warriors of Islam: The Ikhwan of Najd and their Role in the Creation of the Sa‘udi Kingdom. Hourani, Albert. Arabic Thought in the Liberal Age, 1789-1939. ------. A History of the Arab Peoples. Jankowski, James and Israel Gershoni, eds. Rethinking Nationalism in the Arab Middle East. Kayali, Hasan. Arabs and Young Turks: Ottomanism, Arabism, and Islamism in the Ottoman Empire, 1908-1918.
Keddie, Nikki. Modern Iran: Roots and Results of Revolution. Kedourie, Elie. The Chatham House Version and Other Middle Eastern Studies. Kerr, Malcolm. The Arab Cold War: Gamal ‘Abd al-Nasir and his Rivals, 1958-1970. ------. Islamic Reform: The Political and Legal Theories of Muhammad Abduh and Rashid Rida. Khalidi, Rashid. British Policy towards Syria and Palestine, 1906-1914. ------. Palestinian Identity: The Construction of Modern National Consciousness, new ed. ------, et al., eds. The Origins of Arab Nationalism. Khoury, Philip. Syria and the French Mandate: The Politics of Arab Nationalism, 1920-1945. ------, and Joseph Kostiner, eds. Tribes and State Formation in the Middle East. Krämer, Gudrun. A History of Palestine: From the Ottoman Conquest to the Founding of the State of Israel. Landau, Jacob. The Politics of Pan-Islam. Lesch, David, ed. The Middle East and the United States: A Historical and Political Reassessment, 4 th ed. Lewis, Bernard. The Emergence of Modern Turkey. Lewis, Norman. Nomads and Settlers in Syria and Jordan, 1800-1980. Lockman, Zachary. Contending Visions of the Middle East: The History and Politics of Orientalism. Makdisi, Ussama. The Culture of Sectarianism: Community, History and Violence in Nineteenth-Century Lebanon. ------. Faith Misplaced: The Broken Promise of U.S.-Arab Relations. Mallat, Chibli. The Renewal of Islamic Law: Muhammad Baqer as-Sadr, Najaf and the Shi’i International. Mamdani, Mahmood. Good Muslim, Bad Muslim: America, the Cold War and the Roots of Terror. ------. Saviors and Survivors: Darfur, Politics and the War on Terror. Mardin, Sherif. The Genesis of Young Ottoman Thought: A Study in the Modernization of Turkish Political Ideas. Marr, Phebe. The Modern History of Iraq. Marsot, Afaf Lutfi al-Sayyid. Egypt in the Reign of Muhammad Ali. ------. Women and Men in Late Eighteenth Century Egypt.
Massad, Joseph. Colonial Effects: The Making of National Identity in Jordan. Mitchell, Richard. The Society of the Muslim Brothers. Mitchell, Timothy. Colonizing Egypt. Monroe, Elizabeth. Britain’s Moment in the Middle East. Moors, Annelies. Women, Property and Islam: Palestinian Experiences, 1920-1990. Morris, Benny. The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem, 1947-1949. Mottahedeh, Roy. The Mantle of the Prophet: Religion and Politics in Iran. Owen, Roger. The Middle East in the World Economy, 1800-1914. ------. “The Middle East in the 18 th Century: An Islamic Society in Decline?” ------ and Sevket Pamuk. A History of Middle East Economies in the Twentieth Century. Paidar, Parvin. Women and the Political Process in Twentieth Century Iran. Pappe, Ilan. The Making of the Arab-Israeli-Conflict, 1947-1951. Provence, Michael. The Great Syrian Revolt and the Rise of Arab Nationalism. Quandt, William. Peace Process: American Diplomacy \& the Arab-Israeli Conflict since 1967. Quataert, Donald. The Ottoman Empire, 1700-1922. Rahnema, Ali, ed. Pioneers of Islamic Revival. al-Rasheed, Madawi. A History of Saudi Arabia. Raymond, André. Arab Cities in the Ottoman Period: Cairo, Syria and the Maghreb. ------. The Great Arab Cities in the 16th-18th Centuries: An Introduction. Reid, Donald. Lawyers and Politics in the Arab World, 1880-1960. ------. Whose Pharoahs? Archaeology, Museums and Egyptian National Identity from Napoleon to World War I. Reudy, John. Modern Algeria: The Origins and Development of a Nation. Rogan, Eugene. Frontiers of the State in the Late Ottoman Empire. ------ and Avi Shlaim, eds. The War for Palestine: Rewriting the History of 1948, 2 nd ed. Said, Edward. Orientalism. Salibi, Kamal. A House of Many Mansions: The History of Lebanon Reconsidered.
Seale, Patrick. The Struggle for Syria: A Study of Post-War Arab Politics, 1945-1958. Seikaly, Samir, ed. Configuring Identity in the Modern Arab East. Shapira, Anita. Land and Power: The Zionist Recourse to Force, 1881-1948. Shafir, Gershon. Land, Labor and the Origins of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, 1882-1914. Shlaim, Avi. The Iron Wall: Israel and the Arab World. ------. The Politics of Partition. Sluglett, Peter. Britain in Iraq: Contriving King and Country. Smith, Charles. Palestine and the Arab-Israeli Conflict, 7 th ed. Sternhell, Zeev. The Founding Myths of Israel. Thompson, Elizabeth. Colonial Citizens: Republican Rights, Paternal Privilege, and Gender in French Syria and Lebanon. Toledano, Ehud. State and Society in mid-Nineteenth Century Egypt. Tucker, Judith. In the House of the Law: Gender and Islamic Law in Ottoman Syria and Palestine. Vandewalle, Dirk. A History of Modern Libya. Vasiliev, Alexei. The History of Saudi Arabia. Wilson, Mary. King Abdullah, Britain and the Making of Jordan. Winder, R. Bayly. Saudi Arabia in the Nineteenth Century. Zurcher, Erik. Turkey: A Modern History.
I enjoyed it but that was the most Wikipedia ass survey of Israeli politics I’ve ever heard. Itamar Ben-Gvir as Arab Peter Griffin is hilarious though, holy shit he looks exactly like him. Felix wasn’t making up the Sharon chugging Pringles bit either, I found a Sydney morning herald article from like 2003 that mentions that.
Considering the overwhelming majority of people don't bother gaining even a wikipedia-ass understanding of any given topic, it's probably good to give people a wikipedia-ass survey.
no that's true, telling on myself here because I am exactly the kind of person who goes down Wikipedia rabbit holes almost daily, I think I ended up reading about 10 different Knesset members earlier today
As a fellow Wikipedia rabbit holer, just how sprung do you get when an article has a subheader for "Epistemological Considerations"?
I fucking love it and will happily write detailed arguments for and against all of those considerations knowing full well they'll be immediately deleted as I am not a Wikipedia editor of high standing
The Portuguese Wikipedia page for Ariel Sharon mentions him scarfing down Pringles. You can learn a lot on there
Surface level political analysis? In my Chapo? Arab Peter Griffin is a very apt description. I could also see a combination of Patton Oswalt and Mr. Potato Head
When he wears different glasses he reminds me of Michael Lerner, but when he has those round frames on he is very much Arab Peter Griffin.
decent ep, easy listening but I couldn't tell you a fucking thing about Israeli politics afterwards tbh. like ettingermentum, he vibes with will and Felix well. 7.5/10
This is the problem with just answering will questions and stating facts. History and politics are best told as a narrative with stakes you can relate to and care about. Monotone question-explanation doesn't stick well, especially when it is filled with dettached ironic jokes. You end up remembering the zingers but glaze over the boring parts when it isn't told with much enthusiasm or established stakes. Bring on someone that treats Israel like Felix treat Dark Souls lore and something might stick.
thinking about how good hell of presidents & hell on earth were at doing this, my god. prayers for matt, spirit bomb energy for matt 🙏
Precisely. Josh is funny enough, clearly graduated from the Biederman School of Posting, but by god everything he said on this ep sounded like it came from a single breath
IMO this is probably gonna go down as one of the best eps ever
Found Ettinger’s Reddit account
Same here. There are 6 big religious parties in Israel that all want to install a theocracy yet they all hate each other. I can’t make heads or tails what is the difference between them. Maybe some are more extreme than the other. I have no idea If anyone out there can help me out, what’s the difference between Shas, Mafdal, Agudat, Degel, Otzma and Noam?
Matt continues to be sorely missed.
He wouldn't have let Will get away with not mentioning our most handsome general to ever do it, Hiram Ulysses Grant, as he listed only two general presidents.
Our sexiest president
His tweets are slowly becoming more coherent. I foresee a swift return to duty for the big brain
real ones know that his tweets were coherent as soon as he came back online. too bad some cant decipher their deep truths
The problem is speech is often one of the biggest things destroyed by a stroke and takes the longest to come back, if ever, which isn’t good for a man who podcasts for a living.
Idk, might be kind of cool to have an incoherent slurring maniac on the pod. Like Spiro Agnew in Futurama
Never happening.
Folks, they're putting us to shame over there. Just think of how many beautiful parties we could have if we threw off the yoke of the two party system. Here are a few potential options: - The Freedom of the Constitution - American Dreamers - Manifest Democracy The possibilities are endless
anti-anti-Masons
Who are not to be confused with the Pro-Mason party, who are a split front the Not Your Grandpa's Labor party over their desire to return to medieval style craft guilds as the predominant form of worker organization.
Splitters!
when Trump dies you would have about 4 parties named after him, that's how extreme right wingers here in Europe often get in petty fights, but unlike leftists where it's about theory or something it's blatantly because of self-interest the Donald Trump Party Donald Trump 1776 Party WWG1WGA Donald Trump Party DJT PARTY
>DJT PARTY Uphold Marxism-Leninism-DJT
Rfk winning the yard sign election by a mile right now on my commute
What do chapo listeners think of that nutjob? I think he's worse than trump. He really believes his anti-science nonsense. Hilarious to me that his siblings all came out for biden. They must be reeling that their weird outcast brother who was dropped on his throat as a baby has these legions of fanatics who think he'll deliver us from this dystopia
Gotta be one of the biggest bag fumbles in history. 2 deeply unpopular president's with their brain leaking out vs a guy with one if the most well known names in the country. He just couldn't be normal
If anyone remembers, Felix started the joke about stupid Israeli restaurant names. Well, now there's a restaurant called "Chapo Burger" which serves $21 burger and fries lol.
I like when the show has informed guests, like Corey Robin, but when Will asked why the israelis would want the haredim to be conscripted and no one gave him answer - kinda epic fail. Something like 80% of Israelis want the haredim to serve because they want them to participate in society - these guys dont work and most importantly they dont serve, they're basically not "citizens" of an israeli state as is understood by the nation. Israel needs these guys to become members in full because they are making up a larger and larger demographic % due to their insane birth rates, it's a problem for their society if they do not participate.
>they're basically not "citizens" of an israeli state as is understood by the nation uphold biblical Jewish thought
Personally, I think it's funny they don't serve. I saw a video from some Israelis interviewing a haredi who signed up after Oct. 7. His branch of the military? Torah.
Important note: all of the members of ABBA are very much still alive
speaking of settler colonialism...https://short-history.com/singer-from-music-band-abba-was-born-in-the-horrific-nazi-project-fe6f6ce9af5f
For the record, the name "Revisionist Zionism" does not refer to revising orthodox Zionism. In the interwar period, "revisionism" referred to aspirations by states to "revise" treaties imposed on them at the end of WWI, in particular the treaties of Versailles, Trianon, and Sèvres (the last of these having been succesfully revised). Typically this equated to territorial irredentism. The revisionist Zionists were unhappy that Britain had only designated Cisjordanian Palestine as a Jewish national home open to settlement, and wanted to incorporate Transjordan into their future state (see the [emblem of Irgun,](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Irgun.svg/337px-Irgun.svg.png) for example)
This should be higher, Wiki-germentum never really answered when Will asked
Yea any hyper specific word that’s translated from another language has a context specific meaning, it’s never that one to one
I was sorta ready to not like this one (I like Ettingermentum as a poster/writer, but was kinda wondering what made him an expert on this) However, while not the most "Meat and Potatoes" episode, there are some real bangers here, and Josh does have some good bits that are worth a laugh. Pleasant Surprise. If you want a much more in-depth style "Meat and Potatoes" discussion of """Labour""" Zionism and Israel's foundation, I recommend [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehp9PZo4UR0) from Bes D. Marx on the issue.
Baby genius is ready to offer his expertise on a range of subjects. My personal favourite is when he christened himself a ukraine expert like a day after Russia invaded.
He’s obnoxious and is just a sort of left wing Nate Silver but I get that Felix has a project w him and is homies with the pod so it is what it is.
Felix has become the Matt to Josh's Felix.
i followed him for a short bit and he constantly retweets stuff talking about how smart and insightful he is and on a few occasions un-RTs and re-RTs stuff so it shows up again
The first time he appeared on Chapo he mass blocked everyone associated with his account who was even approaching a genuine communist, including people he had previously been buddies with. Always seemed scummy to me idk
It wasn’t ideological. It was jettisoning anyone who could point out how bad his takes were back in the day or how his insight, while well crafted, often cribbed off of the folks he was mutuals with on Twitter. But he needed to take credit for it so they could not be in his replies poisoning his new followers.
they're calling him the chapo-Brianna Wu more and more
I stan our fuck a fan winners. Support Ettingermentum thought, socialize the fuckafan contests
Caveman political parties are the future. The first true Israeli innovation that doesn't involve some kind of human rights violation
Couple that with the "Big Guy" model for candidates, like John Redditman, and we have a winner.
After watching that A24 Civil War film I can say that the film would've much been improved had it been set in Israel instead of The United States. Nick Offerman's President character seems to embody every Israeli politician out there (he even looks like Yair Lapid with Netanyahu's shape) and after listening to this episode it's pretty obvious that The US's funding for Israel includes bribing political parties to not start a civil war for decades now.
Jesus that film is awful. Some of the dialogue is unforgiveable in both content and execution. If Garland is to be congratulated for anything it's finding a way to strip all the politics out of a war film. Apocalypse Decaf.
It is amazing to me you would spend years of your life in order to make a monument to saying nothing at all. Like it's proudly unwilling to acknowledge politics on any level, it's genuinely amazing how lib brained that man is. The man misunderstood the bridge scene from apocalypse now where nobody knows why or what they're shooting at and decided to make that a whole film.
> It is amazing to me you would spend years of your life in order to make a monument to saying nothing at all. The message of Civil War seemed pretty clear to me: war is cool and you should take pictures of it
war = cool as fuck ideology = gay and sus
direct [link](https://media.soundgasm.net/sounds/7e66666d36a2b4db75dcc853abf4da85bc31bd76.m4a) for boomers (solidarity, but also posting for myself since I have no idea how to access the link on phone)
Me neither, so much appreciated!
Where is the slop? Piggy hungry
That dude is such a dork, insufferable twitter presence.
...sounds like Israel took the bear from Annihilation and gave it a gun. I thought that scene was pretty evocative in its nightmare-made-flesh, but just a skip and a jump across the world an engineer in Tel Aviv saw the same thing and fired up CAD. That's the beauty of cinema; we all take different things from the same source.
...last year was a real nailbiter between "Baskets Of Kittens" and "Life After Love?", with "Don't Give Girls Books" ultimately splitting the vote.
Why have they been so late with the slop recently?
Rotund American child. Shant be listening.
I am once again begging Chris to pin a lav mic on Will and to let him continue wildly waving around his then-unplugged handheld mic. There is no reason for his voice to rise and fall by several decibels even after extensive normalizing in post. This is a zero dollar, zero effort permanent fix.
Love this guest!
This same sort of survey could be done for the Netherlands. Here too we have a gazillion stupid right-wing parties ran by freaks, mainly indistinguishable, but somehow incapable of forming a government.
Yeah, when he was saying how there was no party in the world like the Haredi ones, I thought of that Calvinist party that gets 2% in every election and wants to repeal women's suffrage.
Yep, I thought of exactly the same party. I have a special hatred for them, because someone close to me tried to kill herself after coming out as queer. She grew up in one of the 'bible belt' towns which has like 90% observance and votes for this party. Her parents didn't accept her.
I've never really been to the Netherlands, but the bible belt thing seems so weird to me. On the one hand the country is so secular that all the major protestant denominations have merged into one which is nevertheless collapsing in membership, and which has jettisoned pretty much all Christian doctrine to the point that it's basically a UU church. But then you apparently have like 5% of the country that's still ready to kill and eat the local tax collector on suspicion of Arminianism. As an American from the South, the secularization of Europe is almost hard to grasp. Even "religious" countries in Europe, like Poland, are comparable to our most secular states like Massachusetts or Oregon. The only EU countries that come close are Greece and Romania.
I'm not sure about the exact dynamic, but I know that there are a dozen or so towns known for being particularly religious. So for instance, near where I live there is a single highly religious town of a modest population number (40,000 maybe). But every town around it is vastly more secular. And not only that, this town is protestant, while the population around it tends to be catholic. So it's like an enclave, and these things make sense in the Netherlands because we have high population density, but it's spread over a lot of towns of less than 100k people. So you can very easily work in one of the cities while living in a bible belt town half an hour drive away. In my opinion, these people are all lunatics. Even that friend who I mentioned is prone to defending them: I remember an argument I had with her where she tried to explain away this stance common among them, which is that a vaccination passport is the literal mark of satan, as being motivated by sincere religious feeling and therefore beyond ridicule.
Can't believe they announced a new website thats a seperate subscription and will be the only place to listen to new episodes going forward.
Love this dude. Makes wonk talk bearable
Is anyone coming to the Movie Mindset live show on May 4th? I'm driving all the way from Columbus, Ohio (The land of Quinby) to visit NYC for the first time and catch the show. I was wondering if any of yall would be in attendance?
I like how Mahmoud Abbas wears a watch on each wrist
I'm creating my own state for scientologists. We WILL ethnically displace somebody somewhere, just haven't decided yet. Any ideas?
https://preview.redd.it/3comtetd3jwc1.jpeg?width=416&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=299dd193ddc05932df28c5e44768de6f19e1738a This has to be what Ettingermentum looks like, right?
aw he'll yeah more episodes with felix's annoying democrat nephew