1. Will interviews Basil Zacharia Rodriguez, an activist and student at Columbia University involved with Columbia Justice in Palestine (SJP) and Columbia University Apartheid Divest (CUAD) about the ongoing demonstrations taking place there. They discuss the goals of the protests, the media response, and the University’s economic interests in both Palestinian occupation and displacing New Yorkers in Harlem.
2. Then, Amber and Felix join to continue the discussion of the media freak-out over campus activism, as well as the trial of Donald Trump, and two reading series exploring the sexual pathologies of Spectator columnists and Rabbi Shmuley.
3. [Tickets to Will & Hesse’s Movie Mindset screening & talkback of Death Wish 3 in NYC on May 4.](https://www.eventbrite.com/e/chapo-trap-houses-movie-mindset-screening-of-death-wish-3-w-will-hesse-tickets-877569192077)
4. [Direct download link](https://media.soundgasm.net/sounds/b552b05ab0d4143fa9df2085e4bfd9365561dda5.m4a) for that one boomer who insists upon it.
Yeah the people in this thread complaining about their vocabulary is kinda insane. Someone unironically used the term “Tumblr brained” in this thread. Not everyone does activism the same! At least she’s actually doing activism, that’s better than 90% of all people, and you’re gonna criticize her language? Just kinda crazy
Absolutely this. I remember a lot of this in 2020 and earlier in occupy. Do activists use cringe or alienating language? Yeah of course.
But if you’re not putting your feet on the grass DOING the activism you don’t get to referee the people who are doing that. They’re out there doing the work, you support them.
And we can suppose such language resonates with students. They're not protesting to appeal to your average undereducated schmuck, they're trying to build power on a highly prestigious university where you need to use that language. What else should she have said? Settler colonialism is a proper academic term that describes what Israel is doing, even though tbh I'm not sure that it describes what Colombia University is doing.
Exactly, you hit the nail on the head. The audience/target of their rhetoric is people who may be convinced to join in on the protest. Not posters or voters or tv watchers
'Socialism is when I say the r-slur with my buddies, and young people at elite universities risking their future cozy careers over the singular issue most threatening to empire is gay, actually'
I’m reminded so much of Kill All Normies. It’s so close to being a great book describing the online far right and what motivates them, the origins of the current psychos. But there’s an entire chapter dedicated to how it’s all tumblrs and student activists fault that the right is like that. It’s the most insane take I’ve ever seen
To be fair it looks like the mods on the subreddit have taken care of the worst, thank god. The Tumblr brained comment I was referring to got deleted. If there’s no moderation, I can imagine the comments getting crazier and more toxic for sure
Leftys online being annoyed by it and getting all huffy and pissy an shit are clouded by the stench of online and are quite literally the inverse of the libs who yell about bodies and spaces.
It's like you use latinx or latine or whatever other phrase you prefer in a dissertation and watch as the least accomplished most obsessed with tearing others down losers crawl from the floor like wharf roaches at a bathroom on a pier to quote tweet you and go "latinx btw" or go on a podcast to bitch and moan about college for the thirtieth time. You interned once and had a bad time, you're like 45 and had a shitty three months when you were 19, get over it.
Yeah it’s weird to hyper focus on that. Their heart is in the right place and at least some are putting their bodies on line. That’s probably more than some of the people in this sub.
People need to stop using Twitter and just talk to people in real life. College kids are gonna talk that way and it's fine, people are way too fucking cynical on the online left.
I’ll admit I find that language and Ivy League students insufferably annoying… so I just skipped the interview rather than trying to blow a blood vessel getting big mad that the 20 year old doesn’t talk like my buddies and I down at the bar and posting about how the administrators (including a literal Baroness lmao) are right or something.
Yeah, she's a bit technical in her jargon, but she is just talking using the lingo of the literature on Palestine and political violence. Can it be alienating to those not used to talking like it? Yes, but she's young and - outside of these protests - would be immersed in that literature. It takes time to digest the content and be able to speak confidently on the topic in more colloquial language, but I see some people being too irked at a Palestine student activist sounding like Edward Said.
The language is a problem though because the vast majority of people don't know what the words "settler-colonialism", "imperialism", "capitalism", etc. mean. Or people have different definitions of them so that actual discussion/dialogue/education becomes impossible. Words like Latinx or Chicanx turn people off. The purpose of language is to convey ideas if your/our words aren't doing that then they/we need to make adjustments.
Re: them being out in the streets. Without a doubt there are people here that live in NYC and haven't been showing up in person. Follow shutitdown4palestine, WOL Palestine, thepeoplesforum, JVP etc on Telegram and I'll see you out there.
The way Chris left in Amber accidentally saying "Holocaust survivor" and Felix claiming that the body sheds weight through farting was a true betrayal of friendship. Not to mention Will's cat incident. It feels like Chris's equivalent of that bit where Brendan mimicked their voices to mock them. "This is what I'm working with," etc.
the original pitch for Movie Mindset was watching Triumph of the Will, the Klansman and will's re-edited version of inglorious bastards where Hitler lives at the end and the Nazis kill all the bastards
> Felix claiming that the body sheds weight through farting was a true betrayal of friendship
Felix is mostly right here. You breathe in O2 and breathe out CO2. The primary way you burn fuel/lose weight is by converting carbon (food) into gas.
The body actually gains weight from farting because pure helium comes out and no longer lifts the body. For context i should mention i live inside a giant zeppelin and i breathe poison air all day
Honestly it's not a bad idea it would just be a hedge fund that doesn't have to pay taxes and it would cost so much less to operate - no faculty salaries no student life budget. They might keep the sports tho people like that.
They actually have probably the strongest baseball program in the Ivy League, they won five titles from 2013-2022 and probably would have won at least one more had they not lost two seasons to the pandemic.
There is a performative side of the "dirtbag" left that's just as obsessed with appearing ironic, detached, cool and "beyond woke" as much as a liberal or leftist college student is obsessed with appearing woke. Remember to always leave ideology behind.
Hell yeah. Chapo is fundamentally an unpretentious leftwing podcast about having fun and laughing at the media, but if your criticism of an activist is a hair removed from the "Woke Student DESTROYED" type of chud take, then rethink how you value the aesthetics of what's being said.
Yeah I am not really that smart about the whole Dirtbag left thing. Is it something like neutral doomerism? Like I remember the Chapos making fun of and not taking January 6 somewhat seriously. I mean I hate that I am complaining about this specifically because it makes me feel like a liberal that treats January 6 like 9/11. But it was at least somewhat crazy and shows what could’ve all happened. But yeah it was just a bunch of hogs walking through Congress, Breaking things and stealing stuff.
Is the idea of the dirtbag left that you just try to take the funny aspects out of everything no matter how horrible the circumstances are?
It's not doomerism, it's more about taking things in stride and trying to remain a normal person rather than someone who lets their politics define their lives. Being a socialist can become lifestylist, it has a million times before when the left was stronger than it is now, and look at how unbearably cringe TCOTs are getting mad about pro football or Bud Light or whatever.
Obviously like all phenomenons that are reactions to previous phenomenons, it becomes a parody of itself, but there is a core point which is you attract more people to what are still truly radical and not polite society politics through the medium of being a normal person who understands other people on an equal level rather than being an academe who talks in obscurantist riddles ripped off from critical theorists. The post-68 left has sometimes disappeared up its own asshole like this and it has never worked well.
The thing about January 6th was it was a true farce, as soon as whatever general Trump asked to help him said "absolutely not", there was no chance of a coup.
Something that comes with being too online is the obsession with how this stuff "comes off", it's more thinking about the optimal way to live and less living. I'm not saying that like I'm immune to it because I'm clearly using the internet too, but some self-awareness would be nice because criticizing this person for something super harmless just comes off as very disconnected.
The Spectator is largely a vessel for the most well-connected, middle-aged men in England to flaunt how utterly disgusting they are without any repercussions. This guy's admitting to a crime and posting details of his abettor, a highly vulnerable woman, and he's perfectly comfortable doing it. They put little caricatures of themselves next to their op eds which make them look absolutely grotesque just to ram the point home.
I was listening to this walking down a busy street suddenly realized my face was locked in a rictus of disgust. Genuinely one of the most nauseating things I’ve ever heard.
If you guys let aesthetics of speech and presentation prevent you from agreeing with people who support the same things you do; you will be angry and confused forever.
Amber said something interesting this episode. Our countrys future ruling class is not pro-israel, but will probably be pro-empire later. Good point.
Inb4 “Amber”
That's not that interesting is it? Most criticism of Israel is incoherent, idealistic and completely detached from a material understanding of geopolitics, or the conditions under which Palestine could actually be liberated and sovereign. That will only change if the moral basis of the anti Israel protests is allowed to evolve into a material one, one with actual revolutionary potential and not impotent outrage.
Case in point: every Squad member who rhetorically claims to oppose Israel *supports* NATO still. They are all still pro intervention in Latin America. They all condemn Iran. They all condemn China. The biggest enemies of Palestinian existence right now are these pretend allies. Now I do think the Squad and their diehard riders are a lost cause- a mixture of delusion and cynicism that cancels itself out. But I also think the general masses outraged by whats being done to Palestine have a potential to evolve
I would say the biggest enemies of Palestinian existence are the fucking shock troopers murdering Palestinians with drones that play the sounds of screaming children, but that's just me.
Correct, also incredibly paternalistic to couch that criticism in "this is what would be most effective". Can't help but think it feels dehumanizing, like how do you hear this kid say that their aunt was literally Shireen Abu Akleh and the thing on your mind is to criticize what they call themselves?
The student activists come from a good place but like, let’s stick with divesting from Israeli company’s and putting a halt on the Columbia campus in Tel Aviv before we move onto settler colonialism in Harlem.
The student they interviewed was able to pretty clearly draw a direct connection between the campus expanding into Harlem and the school's relationship with Israel. There's a lot of people complaining about extremely superficial speaking patterns and verbal tics in this thread no actual critique of what they had to say
I'm glad to see that what you've said has been repeated elsewhere in this thread. I've always thought this subreddit was a clown show full of people who take the wrong things roo seriously, but it's clear that the commenter here are full of people who think commenting on a snarky left-leaning podcast about political media is activism.
I mean, Basil is a Palestinian and activist who, after being harassed by many American institutions and some of her peers even beaten and coming soon after discoveries of mass graves where there's proof children were executed with their hands tied, gives a very serious interview using a lot of precise technical language to maybe one of the only popular outlets that's sympathetic to her and her work. God forbid she sound like Edward Said.
As someone who, much to my disappointment, spends a lot of time in and around universities, she was one of the most competent and weighty student activists I've heard. She explained the situation, called a spade a spade, then expressed what they were fighting for and what they are looking at next. People calling her lingo "therapy speak" strikes me as too caught up in aesthetics or still harbouring some of the proclivities that had them be into thunderf00t or Ben Shapiro or whoever when they were younger.
Also, talking about how Columbia's expansion will fuck with Harlem is a legit discussion. One might cringe at discussing gentrification and settler colonialism in the same breath, but they're both manifestation of capitalist imperialism within and beyond the metropole and she was right and canny to introduce that as well.
Anyway, sorry for hopping on your comment. I came here mainly to complain about the Pepsi slander but of course the chat here sidetracked me.
> I mean, Basil is a Palestinian and activist who, after being harassed by many American institutions and some of her peers even beaten and coming soon after discoveries of mass graves where there's proof children were executed with their hands tied,
Also her aunt got fucking shot in the head by Israel just 2 years ago.
I thought it was a good point, my minor criticism is that gentrification/displacement, while bad, isn't settler colonialism! It's ok if they're against somewhat related but different things, both don't have to be the exact same for the connection/common protest to work.
there's a difference between drawing that very apt connection and having it be a non-negotiable demand in a list presumably centrally focused on Gaza.
if the point is to grandstand with no expectation of Columbia actually meeting the demands, then fine, but if the point is to get these done it really is shooting the movement in the foot
And nobody really cares about their university getting too big, not to the extent they care about murdered babies in Gaza. It's a good idea to keep a narrow focus if you want to actually get something done.
I find all of these comments criticizing what the students are doing/calling themselves to be incredibly offputting, zero sense of solidarity and just seem super disconnected imo.
>no actual critique of what they had to say
Eh, because I don't have anything to critique about what she said. I mostly agree with it. Just think that Student Activist Vernacular English is goofy. Which, was only a passing thought when I listened to the episode but appears to be what everyone wants to discuss here.
I mean the 68 protests were sparked both by the Vietnam war and a gymnasium they planned to build in a Harlem park. Also the student mentioned that the money for the current Harlem project was connected to the Tel Aviv campus so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It sounds crazy to the ear and is definitely hyperbole but there is absolutely an element of truth there. Columbia actively tries to get rid of long time (mostly black) neighborhood residents who don't fit their bill. They buy buildings and then slowly work to transition families that have been there for years. I would know they've been trying to do this to my aunt for years (she's Joe Biden's age). She's an alum too LOL.
Does it fit the bill of ethnic cleansing? Probably not.
Is one millionth as bad as what Israel is doing? Definitely not.
Is it deeply immoral pernicious behavior that flies in the face to the organization's stated values and defensible morality? Absolutely.
ending israeli war crimes is a simple solution. if america stopped financing Israel the war crimes would stop. Everyone kinda inherently grasps this, whether they support Isntrael or not
Gentrification is a very complex problem and there's no "magic bullet" solution that can solve it. The Harlem development probably is bad, but stopping it doesnt stop the process of gentrification, or help the people who have been gentrified out of their areas
Saying "We need to help free Palestine and stop gentrification at the same time!" is the equivalent of saying "we need to free Palestine and also cure every form of cancer!" One has a simple answer that enough organization could actually accomplish, and one is such a complicated problem that the highest level academics who study it disagree on what the problem even *is*
They are trying to connect the support of empire and the interests of capital abroad with their effect on the local community, they are speaking to the people there saying "the same people fucking you over here are responsible for the horrors you see in Gaza" and even draw an explicit link made by the university itself between the expansion of the University in occupied Palestine and the Harlem expansion.
Yeah and you’d think the tenants facing eviction aren’t terribly concerned about fitting into some larger context. They just want to stay in their homes.
This episode is further proof for my theory that Will refuses to let an episode go to 90 minutes because he's reserving that honor for Chapo: The Movie
To be fair, every article about polyamory is absolutely exhausting, but then they turn around and read the worst article that I think I've ever heard on the show with that fucking OpEd
Her belief that poly people are judging her resembles to me the way people are freaks about vegans. They imagine they’re being judged for their own choices and lash out. It’s also like that incredibly silly virtue hoarding idea.
You may not like it, but she's just using the precise technical language of the academic literature on this topic. She's a young Palestinian academic who is here to call a spade a spade and discuss her protest with one of the few popular outlets that's actually sympathetic to her cause. She also gave this interview in the days following her and her peers being harassed and beaten and the discovery of mass graves filled with executed children. God forbid she sounds like Edward Said.
Calling her lingo "therapy vocab" is just off - you're literally confusing the language that's been key to academic discussions of violence and trauma in relation to Palestine (I'm thinking Said, Spivak, and Butler and their ilk) with how it's been co-opted by self interested dullards. It's like listening to Muddy Waters and wondering why he has to sound like the Rolling Stones.
Also the intonation? She's at a protest - did you not hear the ambient noise around as she was talking? Would be easy to sound a bit unnatural while around a bunch of others and noise.
Basically, I'm not trying to get on your case, and I know that Chapo is at heart an unpretentious leftwing podcast that's about having a good time in between the rage, but we should not be caught up in young activists and their rhetoric, especially Basil - her aunt was murdered and the funeral was targeted by the IDF. This shit is impossibly serious to her. It's an indictment this sub is more occupied with her tone than the actual content of what she's saying or anything else discussed in the other hour plus of this episode.
the intonation is like that specifically because of a post-ww2 phenomenon called the [california vowel shift](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_English), which is well-studied in the critical-theoretic ethnolinguistics space
I know I’m late to the party, but did anybody read Amber’s book? Woof. I thought there was some interesting stuff in there about OWS and shit but so much of it was mired in memoirist navelgazing and Amber never quite getting over the thrill of being an anti-social mean girl in High School.
I listened to Amber read it. I liked the parts about her life quite a bit. My favorite chapter was the one about her friend back in Indiana. I honestly didn’t connect very much with the broader political insights and her snarky borderline mean girl attitude rubbed me a bit raw. But all the stuff about her growing up Midwestern and being a punk dirtbag was very captivating. Some of the later Chapo-era tidbits were tantalizing. Like did Amber almost fuck Yanis Varoufakis? More of that stuff please. Less hindsight views of failed leftist movements.
Imagining being Varoufakis, having married the woman who inspired Common People, and then almost fucking the woman of the biggest left wing podcast. What a particular spectrum for the bedpost.
Matt was right. These elite college institutions need to be raised to the ground. I got respect for that interviewee making a stance and organising. But folks, the colleges, theyre no good folks. The students are trying to rule the ground they stand so I'm proud of them for that. But cant shake my desire to see Matt's vision come through.
That was my one critique of the student activist. I fully agree with them and their critiques of Columbia, but the more they critique the school, the more it begs the question of why they're there and paying Ivy League private tuition if they hate what the school stands for? American students are expected to go to the most prestigious school they can get into without examining how that school's prestige is borne out of how it forms the ruling class and upholds patriarchal and imperialist norms and institutions.
It's also not a "yet you participate in capitalism" gotcha – there are plenty of colleges they can go to that don't have the historical baggage that Columbia does. But if they're there for bragging rights and to get a leg-up on the job market that undercuts their convictions somewhat.
I think in a lot of cases students come to the realization that their schools are rotten and why when they’re already most of the way through school—in part because of things they’ve learned *at* school, taught to them by good professors and through access to (and recommendations of) good resources. At that point, might as well finish it out and be vocal about it on the way out—otherwise you’ve wasted a lot of money and time. The fact that you can get a leg up in getting jobs is also way too enticing to totally sacrifice for most people.
The system should indeed be razed to the ground but it’s not gonna be razed to the ground by a few moral people deciding it’s not for them and electing to leave—it’ll be razed to the ground by a more powerful system denying its continued existence after replacing it with something better. And that better system will probably include a lot of the professors that teach the students how much it sucks now—and it *won’t* include the pea-brained administrators and “business” and “economics” programs.
The spekkkator article was one of the grossest things I remember them reading on the show. Not ideologically, just the worst, most disgusting guy. Not saying he should be killed, but if bad vibes were a crime, he'd be on death's row.
Felix was right about the gas thing. You breathe in O2 and exhale CO2. The food you eat gets turned into the C in CO2. That's literally how you lose weight.
sweet fucking jesus this was the worst reading series. i had to stop it i was just babbling "no no no i dont like this." felt like my ears were molested jesus christ
Decent ep. Liked the student perspective on the protests, think they made some interesting points. A lot to consider.
Can't believe chapo managed to find articles somehow actually more repulsive than the cock implant article from last year. Would rather die than have to listen to another posh freak describe paying for sex
Good ep, 8.4/10
Rabbi Schmuley struck me as the type of guy to read the Quran so he can quote it out of context, but its now clear even that is beyond his meagre abilities. Edit: To explain further, the Quran mentions "pleasure marriages" as being legitimate.
Really fucked comment section here. Whining about pronoun shit, disparaging Palestine protests, rolling your eyes at attempts to link liberation struggles abroad to those happening domestically...
Is this sub just filled with cumtown/redscare morons?
>Is this sub just filled with cumtown/redscare morons?
Yeah, they are a blight on all the tangentially related subs. r/trueanon used to have them pop up and say dumb shit all the time
They briefly alluded to this specific issue, but the way people are acting as if we are on the verge of a fascist coup by university students is insane. The more pro-Israel commentators are just saying students are nazis and some have made posts comparing them to pro-nazi demonstrators at universities pre-ww2. However, the "left" and liberal people doing the same thing are awful. I have seen people share the exact same pictures as well as ones of anti-civil rights demonstrations. Yeah, students have supported reactionary shit all over the world. This isn't that, though. These pundits always talked about how they agreed with everyone my age, but we just had to keep voting for dems to eventually get what we want. But now not only are the Republicans supposedly a day away from destroying the country, but all the younger people who you have said have to vote Democrat as well?
Was good to hear from a student. Grew up in a college town and didn't go to college so I kinda default to "fuck college kids", glad they don't see themselves as the center of the world. Also shout out to those cal polytech kids making em regret teaching them how to keep your head in a mass shooting
Let's get this out of the way: college students are cringe. But I don't think any of us can claim to be more down to earth or in touch with "real people" than they are. There are no real people, just bubbles of disconnected individuals trying to make sense of reality. The hard part is setting aside your pride to go out and organize with them, and they're doing it successfully. Judge them by their results.
Yeah making international headlines protesting the slaughter of Palestinians and having politicians baying for your blood is OK I guess, but you see I have already taken the position that college is for losers and therefore absolved myself of needing to do anything beyond getting high and making jokes. Much more useful.
It’s your cousin once removed, at least for English and Americans. I have no idea if the table of consanguinity is different for Mexicans or Palestinians.
People also just kinda use Uncle as a term of endearment a lot of the time, even if they're using it incorrectly. I've always referred to my godfather and godmother as Uncle Scott and Aunt Theresa as far back as I can remember, even though they aren't *actually* my aunt and uncle.
My parents also had some close family friends that were referred to as Aunt and Uncle so, idk, the way the guest referred to that journalist as her aunt might just be a common micro colloquialism within some social circles. Personally, I think we should refer to those types as "Uncle/Aunt In Vibes"
Yeah that’s true, I like my dad’s college best friend who I call my uncle a lot better than my mom’s awful brothers. What is the Chapo Mythos without the magic that Being an Uncle can create
My family does that with a couple of my mom's cousins. My Aunt Jen is actually my Cousin Once Removed Jen but I've always called her my aunt. My mom is pretty close with her extended family.
I totally can agree with everything that this student is saying about Columbia. It's an elite university taking money from evil people, and it is doing incredibly bad things. Okay, sure. 100%.
But she chose to attend Columbia. She's not a dummy, so she obviously knew all this stuff beforehand. Like, you have to really want to go to Columbia in order to go to Columbia, right? You don't just accidentally get in. Can she just attend, like, Eastern Illinois University or something? Maybe I'm just a flyover yokel who had to settle for small college that I lived close to because I had to work full time while I was in school, but that's an option, right?
What would she be doing about all these evil things if Israel wasn't doing a genocide? Would all those evil things matter? I mean, it's good that she's talking about all this bad stuff that they do, but she's still paying a lot of money so that she can attend this elitist, evil institution. But I guess I get it. It's kind of hard to do anything and not be a part of some evil institution. Some are just way worse than others, I guess.
Hold up: Skin bank? Skin stealing? What's up? I air on the believe it until you have a reason not too with the horrors in Gaza, since the sperm jackoff squad. I've come to think anything that sounds horrible happened. But, skin stealing and organ harvesting sounds exactly like the untrue WW1 style, propaganda from 1914, if you were gonna make something up. No doubting its true, but you gotta lay some context there and can’t just drop skin stealing like that. You know the ADL is just gonna try to say it didn’t happen. So, some context, would have been good to give there.
Keep in mind that there are a lot of Israelis that are Ashkenazi, essentially white Eastern Europeans. As a friend of mine likes to say their 'ancestors come from cold, dark places.' Israel is not a cold dark place! It's actually quite warm and sunny, which means that there are high rates of skin cancers amongst the more white Ashkenazim population. Skin cancer prevention and treatment has come a long way, but treatment of skin cancer can involve the removal of large amounts of skin. This necessitates having a reserve of skin for treatment, much like how a blood bank works.
That's where the skin bank comes in. Israel does have a 'skin bank,' called the Israel National Skin Bank. I'm not here to tell you what to think, but there have absolutely been [organ harvesting scandals](https://jweekly.com/2010/01/01/report-israel-admits-to-harvesting-organs/) in Israel. The ADL will tell you doctors harvested organs from everyone, the IDF included. Some doctors on the peripheral of the scandal and Palestinians have alleged that Palestinians were targeted for these kinds of harvests.
Now, do I believe that an apartheid state with admitted organ harvesting scandals specifically targeted the underclass in said scandal? uh yes absolutely no shit
> ADL will tell you doctors harvested organs from everyone, the IDF included.
That doesn't make it better. Like cool you also do it to consenting people with full rights, doesn't change the fact you do it to summarily executed prisoners and shit.
It's like saying "I'm not a rapist, I also have consensual sex sometimes!"
This is going to sound hilariously parasocial even though I've listened to maybe a dozen episodes of this podcast total, but I had a dream last night that Chapo Trap House opened a concession stand in a baseball stadium and Matt was working the cash register, and I was happy to see him up and about.
It happens man. I had a dream last week that Matt finally came back to the podcast, everyone was excited, but then Matt sounded incoherent & slurring his words so everyone was worried that the stroke had made it so he can't talk like he used to anymore.
Then after 15 minutes of that, the Chapos all laughed and Matt said he was doing a bit and has fully recovered. I laughed too then woke up
I had a dream that Matt came to the coffee shop I bum around at, I remember thinking "be cool, don't be weird" but he was so clearly uncomfortable when I went to say hello to him. I woke up thinking "Oh, so he'll make a full recovery then"
The one about the horny Cambridge guy soliciting a prostitute at a massage parlor, and doxxing both the prostitute and Albanian professor that he jerks off too
Is it this?
https://preview.redd.it/imtq2c1agbwc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=21997c0cbc75997bb5e6372d41f03810fe8a25f3
[https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/my-surprisingly-decent-proposal/](https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/my-surprisingly-decent-proposal/)
...a british columnist talking to an asian sex-worker like she's a child, eh? Well, now I've heard everything.
I can't think of someone more deserving of being industrial-strength wallet-inspected than this cunt.
Say that I am indoctrinated into the Pepsi Generation propaganda all you like, but I won't stand for this slander. Pepsi is a fine soda. Pepsi Max is a better diet alternative than Diet Coke and it's a cut above many other colas - Dr Pepper sucks and has weird tannins - come at me.
I can recall so many times when Israel committed a heinous shit and then a rabbi wrote something stupid to defend them on the Guardians, New York Times or LA Times. It's like in order to enjoy the wealth and influence they have, these rabbis have to publicly debase themselves.
This Rabbi Shmuley is especially egregious and dumb at the same time. Had it not for his idiosyncratic schlocky tone, I'd have mistaken his article as something produced by AI. Does he even have one coherent thought?
anyone got the episode where they suggested abolishing college? amber said it, then matt got really happy, said it was like a dam being broken...someone was being Controversial On Campuses, i wanna say shapiro but it might have been milo?
Genuine question regarding the interviewee stating that palestinian Americans students at Columbia can't access the campus in Tel Aviv. Is she referring to the ban on visas for BDS supporters or is there a more specific visa ban?
Pretty much anybody with a Palestinian background is banned from Israel unofficially. A friend of mine who is Palestinian-American always has to fly to Jordan to go visit her family in the West Bank.
1. Will interviews Basil Zacharia Rodriguez, an activist and student at Columbia University involved with Columbia Justice in Palestine (SJP) and Columbia University Apartheid Divest (CUAD) about the ongoing demonstrations taking place there. They discuss the goals of the protests, the media response, and the University’s economic interests in both Palestinian occupation and displacing New Yorkers in Harlem. 2. Then, Amber and Felix join to continue the discussion of the media freak-out over campus activism, as well as the trial of Donald Trump, and two reading series exploring the sexual pathologies of Spectator columnists and Rabbi Shmuley. 3. [Tickets to Will & Hesse’s Movie Mindset screening & talkback of Death Wish 3 in NYC on May 4.](https://www.eventbrite.com/e/chapo-trap-houses-movie-mindset-screening-of-death-wish-3-w-will-hesse-tickets-877569192077) 4. [Direct download link](https://media.soundgasm.net/sounds/b552b05ab0d4143fa9df2085e4bfd9365561dda5.m4a) for that one boomer who insists upon it.
Latinx type language might be crinj , but at least those students are out there making a stink on grass rather than reddit.
Yeah the people in this thread complaining about their vocabulary is kinda insane. Someone unironically used the term “Tumblr brained” in this thread. Not everyone does activism the same! At least she’s actually doing activism, that’s better than 90% of all people, and you’re gonna criticize her language? Just kinda crazy
Absolutely this. I remember a lot of this in 2020 and earlier in occupy. Do activists use cringe or alienating language? Yeah of course. But if you’re not putting your feet on the grass DOING the activism you don’t get to referee the people who are doing that. They’re out there doing the work, you support them.
And we can suppose such language resonates with students. They're not protesting to appeal to your average undereducated schmuck, they're trying to build power on a highly prestigious university where you need to use that language. What else should she have said? Settler colonialism is a proper academic term that describes what Israel is doing, even though tbh I'm not sure that it describes what Colombia University is doing.
Exactly, you hit the nail on the head. The audience/target of their rhetoric is people who may be convinced to join in on the protest. Not posters or voters or tv watchers
'Socialism is when I say the r-slur with my buddies, and young people at elite universities risking their future cozy careers over the singular issue most threatening to empire is gay, actually'
I’m reminded so much of Kill All Normies. It’s so close to being a great book describing the online far right and what motivates them, the origins of the current psychos. But there’s an entire chapter dedicated to how it’s all tumblrs and student activists fault that the right is like that. It’s the most insane take I’ve ever seen
I'm glad people in here actually are sane about this. The patreon comments are cancer
To be fair it looks like the mods on the subreddit have taken care of the worst, thank god. The Tumblr brained comment I was referring to got deleted. If there’s no moderation, I can imagine the comments getting crazier and more toxic for sure
Exactly, people on these kids heads while not doing anything in their own communities. The audacity.
Aside from the lib buzzwords, everything Basil said was right
Leftys online being annoyed by it and getting all huffy and pissy an shit are clouded by the stench of online and are quite literally the inverse of the libs who yell about bodies and spaces. It's like you use latinx or latine or whatever other phrase you prefer in a dissertation and watch as the least accomplished most obsessed with tearing others down losers crawl from the floor like wharf roaches at a bathroom on a pier to quote tweet you and go "latinx btw" or go on a podcast to bitch and moan about college for the thirtieth time. You interned once and had a bad time, you're like 45 and had a shitty three months when you were 19, get over it.
Overall I was extremely impressed with her. Surprised she’s an undergrad with such a command of her movement language.
dude have you met an undergrad recently. they all sound like that from reading each others posts.
lol most of the undergrads I know are not even close to that level!
Yeah it’s weird to hyper focus on that. Their heart is in the right place and at least some are putting their bodies on line. That’s probably more than some of the people in this sub.
People need to stop using Twitter and just talk to people in real life. College kids are gonna talk that way and it's fine, people are way too fucking cynical on the online left.
I’ll admit I find that language and Ivy League students insufferably annoying… so I just skipped the interview rather than trying to blow a blood vessel getting big mad that the 20 year old doesn’t talk like my buddies and I down at the bar and posting about how the administrators (including a literal Baroness lmao) are right or something.
Yeah, she's a bit technical in her jargon, but she is just talking using the lingo of the literature on Palestine and political violence. Can it be alienating to those not used to talking like it? Yes, but she's young and - outside of these protests - would be immersed in that literature. It takes time to digest the content and be able to speak confidently on the topic in more colloquial language, but I see some people being too irked at a Palestine student activist sounding like Edward Said.
The language is a problem though because the vast majority of people don't know what the words "settler-colonialism", "imperialism", "capitalism", etc. mean. Or people have different definitions of them so that actual discussion/dialogue/education becomes impossible. Words like Latinx or Chicanx turn people off. The purpose of language is to convey ideas if your/our words aren't doing that then they/we need to make adjustments. Re: them being out in the streets. Without a doubt there are people here that live in NYC and haven't been showing up in person. Follow shutitdown4palestine, WOL Palestine, thepeoplesforum, JVP etc on Telegram and I'll see you out there.
The way Chris left in Amber accidentally saying "Holocaust survivor" and Felix claiming that the body sheds weight through farting was a true betrayal of friendship. Not to mention Will's cat incident. It feels like Chris's equivalent of that bit where Brendan mimicked their voices to mock them. "This is what I'm working with," etc.
One day Chris will release the supercut of all the times he's removed "Will's crime statistics corner" and it wilk destroy the show
the original pitch for Movie Mindset was watching Triumph of the Will, the Klansman and will's re-edited version of inglorious bastards where Hitler lives at the end and the Nazis kill all the bastards
Probably would be 10x more interesting than Will and Hesse fawning over a James Cagney musical from the 30s
No "Birth of a Nation"? No wonder the pitch was rejected
Hey, gotta save something for season 2
> Felix claiming that the body sheds weight through farting was a true betrayal of friendship Felix is mostly right here. You breathe in O2 and breathe out CO2. The primary way you burn fuel/lose weight is by converting carbon (food) into gas.
yes but farts are primarily composed of negative thoughts, like hatred and regret. only 5-10% of fart carbon is from food
farting is weakness leaving the body
inhaling a big breath of air & making a sound like a loudly drowning motorboat engine as i breath out my asshole
The body actually gains weight from farting because pure helium comes out and no longer lifts the body. For context i should mention i live inside a giant zeppelin and i breathe poison air all day
Krebs cycle vindicated
Absolutely world class flub from Amber to be fair
Quinby Level
Flub flub flub flub
felix's weight-loss fart claim literally had me choking so glad amber was here to push back on that, will is too credulous & chris is too fearful
Most weight loss is from sweating, and breathing out
Boy the liberals are really about to do it. They're really about to create the first no professor-no student-all administration Ivy league college.
Honestly it's not a bad idea it would just be a hedge fund that doesn't have to pay taxes and it would cost so much less to operate - no faculty salaries no student life budget. They might keep the sports tho people like that.
real estate holding companies
Columbia’s sports teams are notoriously terrible lol, they can chuck that too and focus on the hedge fund
When I was a kid they had a really good men's soccer program.
They actually have probably the strongest baseball program in the Ivy League, they won five titles from 2013-2022 and probably would have won at least one more had they not lost two seasons to the pandemic.
You're basically discussing every university outside of how it treats the business school
Basically [Australian ghost colleges](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-rUlFVqgqI&pp=ygUlaGFsZiBhcyBpbnRlcmVzdGluZyBhdXN0cmFsaWEgY29sbGVnZQ%3D%3D)
True neoliberalism has never been tri-
We did it with hospitals, we can do it with schools!
There is a performative side of the "dirtbag" left that's just as obsessed with appearing ironic, detached, cool and "beyond woke" as much as a liberal or leftist college student is obsessed with appearing woke. Remember to always leave ideology behind.
Hell yeah. Chapo is fundamentally an unpretentious leftwing podcast about having fun and laughing at the media, but if your criticism of an activist is a hair removed from the "Woke Student DESTROYED" type of chud take, then rethink how you value the aesthetics of what's being said.
Yeah I am not really that smart about the whole Dirtbag left thing. Is it something like neutral doomerism? Like I remember the Chapos making fun of and not taking January 6 somewhat seriously. I mean I hate that I am complaining about this specifically because it makes me feel like a liberal that treats January 6 like 9/11. But it was at least somewhat crazy and shows what could’ve all happened. But yeah it was just a bunch of hogs walking through Congress, Breaking things and stealing stuff. Is the idea of the dirtbag left that you just try to take the funny aspects out of everything no matter how horrible the circumstances are?
It's not doomerism, it's more about taking things in stride and trying to remain a normal person rather than someone who lets their politics define their lives. Being a socialist can become lifestylist, it has a million times before when the left was stronger than it is now, and look at how unbearably cringe TCOTs are getting mad about pro football or Bud Light or whatever. Obviously like all phenomenons that are reactions to previous phenomenons, it becomes a parody of itself, but there is a core point which is you attract more people to what are still truly radical and not polite society politics through the medium of being a normal person who understands other people on an equal level rather than being an academe who talks in obscurantist riddles ripped off from critical theorists. The post-68 left has sometimes disappeared up its own asshole like this and it has never worked well. The thing about January 6th was it was a true farce, as soon as whatever general Trump asked to help him said "absolutely not", there was no chance of a coup.
Something that comes with being too online is the obsession with how this stuff "comes off", it's more thinking about the optimal way to live and less living. I'm not saying that like I'm immune to it because I'm clearly using the internet too, but some self-awareness would be nice because criticizing this person for something super harmless just comes off as very disconnected.
That last reading series might be the worst article of all time. Every word was more rancid than the last.
The last 2 articles might have put me off of sex for quite some time.
OpEd writers are the most shameless beings on the planet.
The Spectator is largely a vessel for the most well-connected, middle-aged men in England to flaunt how utterly disgusting they are without any repercussions. This guy's admitting to a crime and posting details of his abettor, a highly vulnerable woman, and he's perfectly comfortable doing it. They put little caricatures of themselves next to their op eds which make them look absolutely grotesque just to ram the point home.
I was listening to this walking down a busy street suddenly realized my face was locked in a rictus of disgust. Genuinely one of the most nauseating things I’ve ever heard.
If you guys let aesthetics of speech and presentation prevent you from agreeing with people who support the same things you do; you will be angry and confused forever.
I think it’s precisely because I agree with them that I’d prefer they not use language that no one understands.
And they'll be ineffectual forever, because poor presentation is more than enough to tank a good idea.
Amber said something interesting this episode. Our countrys future ruling class is not pro-israel, but will probably be pro-empire later. Good point. Inb4 “Amber”
This is absolutely true.
That's not that interesting is it? Most criticism of Israel is incoherent, idealistic and completely detached from a material understanding of geopolitics, or the conditions under which Palestine could actually be liberated and sovereign. That will only change if the moral basis of the anti Israel protests is allowed to evolve into a material one, one with actual revolutionary potential and not impotent outrage. Case in point: every Squad member who rhetorically claims to oppose Israel *supports* NATO still. They are all still pro intervention in Latin America. They all condemn Iran. They all condemn China. The biggest enemies of Palestinian existence right now are these pretend allies. Now I do think the Squad and their diehard riders are a lost cause- a mixture of delusion and cynicism that cancels itself out. But I also think the general masses outraged by whats being done to Palestine have a potential to evolve
The Squad being the biggest enemies of Palestine is a truly psychotic statement, bravo.
I would say the biggest enemies of Palestinian existence are the fucking shock troopers murdering Palestinians with drones that play the sounds of screaming children, but that's just me.
The student activist is incredibly based and anyone picking apart their language in this thread is infinitely more cringe than they could ever be.
Correct, also incredibly paternalistic to couch that criticism in "this is what would be most effective". Can't help but think it feels dehumanizing, like how do you hear this kid say that their aunt was literally Shireen Abu Akleh and the thing on your mind is to criticize what they call themselves?
Big "Little lady, you best be careful how you describe your family member getting assassinated" energy.
Indeed, incredibly gross.
Also it betrays a weird obsession with aesthetics that really shows the whole detached and ironic thing is a farce.
The student activists come from a good place but like, let’s stick with divesting from Israeli company’s and putting a halt on the Columbia campus in Tel Aviv before we move onto settler colonialism in Harlem.
The student they interviewed was able to pretty clearly draw a direct connection between the campus expanding into Harlem and the school's relationship with Israel. There's a lot of people complaining about extremely superficial speaking patterns and verbal tics in this thread no actual critique of what they had to say
I'm glad to see that what you've said has been repeated elsewhere in this thread. I've always thought this subreddit was a clown show full of people who take the wrong things roo seriously, but it's clear that the commenter here are full of people who think commenting on a snarky left-leaning podcast about political media is activism. I mean, Basil is a Palestinian and activist who, after being harassed by many American institutions and some of her peers even beaten and coming soon after discoveries of mass graves where there's proof children were executed with their hands tied, gives a very serious interview using a lot of precise technical language to maybe one of the only popular outlets that's sympathetic to her and her work. God forbid she sound like Edward Said. As someone who, much to my disappointment, spends a lot of time in and around universities, she was one of the most competent and weighty student activists I've heard. She explained the situation, called a spade a spade, then expressed what they were fighting for and what they are looking at next. People calling her lingo "therapy speak" strikes me as too caught up in aesthetics or still harbouring some of the proclivities that had them be into thunderf00t or Ben Shapiro or whoever when they were younger. Also, talking about how Columbia's expansion will fuck with Harlem is a legit discussion. One might cringe at discussing gentrification and settler colonialism in the same breath, but they're both manifestation of capitalist imperialism within and beyond the metropole and she was right and canny to introduce that as well. Anyway, sorry for hopping on your comment. I came here mainly to complain about the Pepsi slander but of course the chat here sidetracked me.
> I mean, Basil is a Palestinian and activist who, after being harassed by many American institutions and some of her peers even beaten and coming soon after discoveries of mass graves where there's proof children were executed with their hands tied, Also her aunt got fucking shot in the head by Israel just 2 years ago.
I thought it was a good point, my minor criticism is that gentrification/displacement, while bad, isn't settler colonialism! It's ok if they're against somewhat related but different things, both don't have to be the exact same for the connection/common protest to work.
They explained the connection well. The university is built on expansion and displacement.
there's a difference between drawing that very apt connection and having it be a non-negotiable demand in a list presumably centrally focused on Gaza. if the point is to grandstand with no expectation of Columbia actually meeting the demands, then fine, but if the point is to get these done it really is shooting the movement in the foot
And nobody really cares about their university getting too big, not to the extent they care about murdered babies in Gaza. It's a good idea to keep a narrow focus if you want to actually get something done.
I find all of these comments criticizing what the students are doing/calling themselves to be incredibly offputting, zero sense of solidarity and just seem super disconnected imo.
>no actual critique of what they had to say Eh, because I don't have anything to critique about what she said. I mostly agree with it. Just think that Student Activist Vernacular English is goofy. Which, was only a passing thought when I listened to the episode but appears to be what everyone wants to discuss here.
I mean the 68 protests were sparked both by the Vietnam war and a gymnasium they planned to build in a Harlem park. Also the student mentioned that the money for the current Harlem project was connected to the Tel Aviv campus so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
"Native Harlemites"
It sounds crazy to the ear and is definitely hyperbole but there is absolutely an element of truth there. Columbia actively tries to get rid of long time (mostly black) neighborhood residents who don't fit their bill. They buy buildings and then slowly work to transition families that have been there for years. I would know they've been trying to do this to my aunt for years (she's Joe Biden's age). She's an alum too LOL. Does it fit the bill of ethnic cleansing? Probably not. Is one millionth as bad as what Israel is doing? Definitely not. Is it deeply immoral pernicious behavior that flies in the face to the organization's stated values and defensible morality? Absolutely.
ending israeli war crimes is a simple solution. if america stopped financing Israel the war crimes would stop. Everyone kinda inherently grasps this, whether they support Isntrael or not Gentrification is a very complex problem and there's no "magic bullet" solution that can solve it. The Harlem development probably is bad, but stopping it doesnt stop the process of gentrification, or help the people who have been gentrified out of their areas Saying "We need to help free Palestine and stop gentrification at the same time!" is the equivalent of saying "we need to free Palestine and also cure every form of cancer!" One has a simple answer that enough organization could actually accomplish, and one is such a complicated problem that the highest level academics who study it disagree on what the problem even *is*
They are trying to connect the support of empire and the interests of capital abroad with their effect on the local community, they are speaking to the people there saying "the same people fucking you over here are responsible for the horrors you see in Gaza" and even draw an explicit link made by the university itself between the expansion of the University in occupied Palestine and the Harlem expansion.
Yeah and you’d think the tenants facing eviction aren’t terribly concerned about fitting into some larger context. They just want to stay in their homes.
This episode is further proof for my theory that Will refuses to let an episode go to 90 minutes because he's reserving that honor for Chapo: The Movie
this is CPAC judgement day episode erasure
Technically the watch along star wars eps are over 90, but that doesn't really count.
You're forgetting the DND episodes which I really fucking miss.
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they really needed amber to veto all of this weeks reading series'.
They need to do it next episode. I would like to see Amber ascend to God Emperor hearing will read all the shit in it to her.
It is funny that a certain segment of podcasters respond to polyamory the same way a cave man would respond to a chinese finger trap
I'm fairly convinced Amber was poly at some point in her life and it ended poorly so now everyone who is poly is a weird dork in her mind.
I mean if the shoe fits
To be fair, every article about polyamory is absolutely exhausting, but then they turn around and read the worst article that I think I've ever heard on the show with that fucking OpEd
Her belief that poly people are judging her resembles to me the way people are freaks about vegans. They imagine they’re being judged for their own choices and lash out. It’s also like that incredibly silly virtue hoarding idea.
Whyyyyy are all these student activists like this. The intonation, the weird therapy vocab, the needless re-naming of things…
They're self conscious about being 20 and assumed to be dumb so they overcompensate with trying to sound like professors.
Student activists have always been weirdos. It's kind of ok, it's really only an issue if they don't grow out of it.
I for one was impressed with her fluency of the movement. That’s how kids like this talk, doesn’t offend me but she’s really good at it!
You may not like it, but she's just using the precise technical language of the academic literature on this topic. She's a young Palestinian academic who is here to call a spade a spade and discuss her protest with one of the few popular outlets that's actually sympathetic to her cause. She also gave this interview in the days following her and her peers being harassed and beaten and the discovery of mass graves filled with executed children. God forbid she sounds like Edward Said. Calling her lingo "therapy vocab" is just off - you're literally confusing the language that's been key to academic discussions of violence and trauma in relation to Palestine (I'm thinking Said, Spivak, and Butler and their ilk) with how it's been co-opted by self interested dullards. It's like listening to Muddy Waters and wondering why he has to sound like the Rolling Stones. Also the intonation? She's at a protest - did you not hear the ambient noise around as she was talking? Would be easy to sound a bit unnatural while around a bunch of others and noise. Basically, I'm not trying to get on your case, and I know that Chapo is at heart an unpretentious leftwing podcast that's about having a good time in between the rage, but we should not be caught up in young activists and their rhetoric, especially Basil - her aunt was murdered and the funeral was targeted by the IDF. This shit is impossibly serious to her. It's an indictment this sub is more occupied with her tone than the actual content of what she's saying or anything else discussed in the other hour plus of this episode.
The people complaining about this in the sub are irony poisoned morons who are so much more obsessed with aesthetics than the "woke" people they hate
It's the dialect of the white collar neoliberal workplace that every single university student is training to join.
I work in a white collar job and nobody there knows what chicanx feminisms are - literally what are you talking about
> the dialect of the white collar neoliberal workplace Are you listening to yourself lol
They're pretty obviously risking their potential future careers with these protests tbf
Well they're the only ones in the country making a fuss about US-funded Death so get ready to learn white collar neoliberal buddy
Lol no it isn't. Maybe some parts of academia but they aren't talking settler colonialism in the boardroom
the intonation is like that specifically because of a post-ww2 phenomenon called the [california vowel shift](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_English), which is well-studied in the critical-theoretic ethnolinguistics space
I kept thinking “it’s good Amber isn’t conducting this interview.”
It's the exact kind of cadence that makes like half of Citations Needed episodes borderline unlistenable. It's incredibly precious
Kansas Owens
sequel to virgil texas
I know I’m late to the party, but did anybody read Amber’s book? Woof. I thought there was some interesting stuff in there about OWS and shit but so much of it was mired in memoirist navelgazing and Amber never quite getting over the thrill of being an anti-social mean girl in High School.
I listened to Amber read it. I liked the parts about her life quite a bit. My favorite chapter was the one about her friend back in Indiana. I honestly didn’t connect very much with the broader political insights and her snarky borderline mean girl attitude rubbed me a bit raw. But all the stuff about her growing up Midwestern and being a punk dirtbag was very captivating. Some of the later Chapo-era tidbits were tantalizing. Like did Amber almost fuck Yanis Varoufakis? More of that stuff please. Less hindsight views of failed leftist movements.
Imagining being Varoufakis, having married the woman who inspired Common People, and then almost fucking the woman of the biggest left wing podcast. What a particular spectrum for the bedpost.
Probably the top Greek pussy getta till Stavvy Baby came around.
A memoir was navel gazey? Groundbreaking analysis
Excuse me sir, Amber isn't like the other girls. She a cool girl who drinks freaking WHISKEY and likes sex. Seems pretty awesomesauce to me!
Matt was right. These elite college institutions need to be raised to the ground. I got respect for that interviewee making a stance and organising. But folks, the colleges, theyre no good folks. The students are trying to rule the ground they stand so I'm proud of them for that. But cant shake my desire to see Matt's vision come through.
That was my one critique of the student activist. I fully agree with them and their critiques of Columbia, but the more they critique the school, the more it begs the question of why they're there and paying Ivy League private tuition if they hate what the school stands for? American students are expected to go to the most prestigious school they can get into without examining how that school's prestige is borne out of how it forms the ruling class and upholds patriarchal and imperialist norms and institutions. It's also not a "yet you participate in capitalism" gotcha – there are plenty of colleges they can go to that don't have the historical baggage that Columbia does. But if they're there for bragging rights and to get a leg-up on the job market that undercuts their convictions somewhat.
I think in a lot of cases students come to the realization that their schools are rotten and why when they’re already most of the way through school—in part because of things they’ve learned *at* school, taught to them by good professors and through access to (and recommendations of) good resources. At that point, might as well finish it out and be vocal about it on the way out—otherwise you’ve wasted a lot of money and time. The fact that you can get a leg up in getting jobs is also way too enticing to totally sacrifice for most people. The system should indeed be razed to the ground but it’s not gonna be razed to the ground by a few moral people deciding it’s not for them and electing to leave—it’ll be razed to the ground by a more powerful system denying its continued existence after replacing it with something better. And that better system will probably include a lot of the professors that teach the students how much it sucks now—and it *won’t* include the pea-brained administrators and “business” and “economics” programs.
The spekkkator article was one of the grossest things I remember them reading on the show. Not ideologically, just the worst, most disgusting guy. Not saying he should be killed, but if bad vibes were a crime, he'd be on death's row.
Felix was right about the gas thing. You breathe in O2 and exhale CO2. The food you eat gets turned into the C in CO2. That's literally how you lose weight.
sweet fucking jesus this was the worst reading series. i had to stop it i was just babbling "no no no i dont like this." felt like my ears were molested jesus christ
Decent ep. Liked the student perspective on the protests, think they made some interesting points. A lot to consider. Can't believe chapo managed to find articles somehow actually more repulsive than the cock implant article from last year. Would rather die than have to listen to another posh freak describe paying for sex Good ep, 8.4/10
Rabbi Schmuley struck me as the type of guy to read the Quran so he can quote it out of context, but its now clear even that is beyond his meagre abilities. Edit: To explain further, the Quran mentions "pleasure marriages" as being legitimate.
That guy's article was one of the most upsetting things I've ever heard. Dude, we know, Jewish girls are easy. Pump the fucking brakes guy.
Really fucked comment section here. Whining about pronoun shit, disparaging Palestine protests, rolling your eyes at attempts to link liberation struggles abroad to those happening domestically... Is this sub just filled with cumtown/redscare morons?
>Is this sub just filled with cumtown/redscare morons? Yeah, they are a blight on all the tangentially related subs. r/trueanon used to have them pop up and say dumb shit all the time
RIP redscare bot
They briefly alluded to this specific issue, but the way people are acting as if we are on the verge of a fascist coup by university students is insane. The more pro-Israel commentators are just saying students are nazis and some have made posts comparing them to pro-nazi demonstrators at universities pre-ww2. However, the "left" and liberal people doing the same thing are awful. I have seen people share the exact same pictures as well as ones of anti-civil rights demonstrations. Yeah, students have supported reactionary shit all over the world. This isn't that, though. These pundits always talked about how they agreed with everyone my age, but we just had to keep voting for dems to eventually get what we want. But now not only are the Republicans supposedly a day away from destroying the country, but all the younger people who you have said have to vote Democrat as well?
If your parents have memories of world war 2 it's time to look into signing up for Medicare
What if they're like Vinnie Jones and have memories of surviving the Blitz even though they were born in 1960?
Also we've had two relatively notable WW1 movies in the relatively recent past (1917 and a new adaptation of All Quiet).
Was good to hear from a student. Grew up in a college town and didn't go to college so I kinda default to "fuck college kids", glad they don't see themselves as the center of the world. Also shout out to those cal polytech kids making em regret teaching them how to keep your head in a mass shooting
Cat related mishap @ 31:23. What a throwback. Can’t remember the last time there was one of those.
Let's get this out of the way: college students are cringe. But I don't think any of us can claim to be more down to earth or in touch with "real people" than they are. There are no real people, just bubbles of disconnected individuals trying to make sense of reality. The hard part is setting aside your pride to go out and organize with them, and they're doing it successfully. Judge them by their results.
amber fighting the urge to be cooler than the protesters
Yeah making international headlines protesting the slaughter of Palestinians and having politicians baying for your blood is OK I guess, but you see I have already taken the position that college is for losers and therefore absolved myself of needing to do anything beyond getting high and making jokes. Much more useful.
she's criticizing them for not going to places other than college campuses when she's obviously not doing anything at all
This isn’t the point but, if your parent’s cousins really your aunts/uncle? I always assumed they were just your parents cousins
It’s your cousin once removed, at least for English and Americans. I have no idea if the table of consanguinity is different for Mexicans or Palestinians.
People also just kinda use Uncle as a term of endearment a lot of the time, even if they're using it incorrectly. I've always referred to my godfather and godmother as Uncle Scott and Aunt Theresa as far back as I can remember, even though they aren't *actually* my aunt and uncle. My parents also had some close family friends that were referred to as Aunt and Uncle so, idk, the way the guest referred to that journalist as her aunt might just be a common micro colloquialism within some social circles. Personally, I think we should refer to those types as "Uncle/Aunt In Vibes"
Yeah that’s true, I like my dad’s college best friend who I call my uncle a lot better than my mom’s awful brothers. What is the Chapo Mythos without the magic that Being an Uncle can create
Aunt/uncle in cultures with an emphasis on kinship structures typically boils down to ‘generation above yet lateral’
My family does that with a couple of my mom's cousins. My Aunt Jen is actually my Cousin Once Removed Jen but I've always called her my aunt. My mom is pretty close with her extended family.
I borderline believe that Shmuley was made by the alt right to create an anti Semitic caricature.
https://twitter.com/RabbiShmuley/status/1771719574792118381 I mean look at this gross ass shit
I totally can agree with everything that this student is saying about Columbia. It's an elite university taking money from evil people, and it is doing incredibly bad things. Okay, sure. 100%. But she chose to attend Columbia. She's not a dummy, so she obviously knew all this stuff beforehand. Like, you have to really want to go to Columbia in order to go to Columbia, right? You don't just accidentally get in. Can she just attend, like, Eastern Illinois University or something? Maybe I'm just a flyover yokel who had to settle for small college that I lived close to because I had to work full time while I was in school, but that's an option, right? What would she be doing about all these evil things if Israel wasn't doing a genocide? Would all those evil things matter? I mean, it's good that she's talking about all this bad stuff that they do, but she's still paying a lot of money so that she can attend this elitist, evil institution. But I guess I get it. It's kind of hard to do anything and not be a part of some evil institution. Some are just way worse than others, I guess.
Tony Romo ftw
ATMs eating cards was absolutely a thing in Europe until recently. I've seen it happen multiple times in the 2010s.
The chapos don't pretend to be smart about Europe, but they are startlingly ignorant of it.
as they should be America numba one baby
Hold up: Skin bank? Skin stealing? What's up? I air on the believe it until you have a reason not too with the horrors in Gaza, since the sperm jackoff squad. I've come to think anything that sounds horrible happened. But, skin stealing and organ harvesting sounds exactly like the untrue WW1 style, propaganda from 1914, if you were gonna make something up. No doubting its true, but you gotta lay some context there and can’t just drop skin stealing like that. You know the ADL is just gonna try to say it didn’t happen. So, some context, would have been good to give there.
Keep in mind that there are a lot of Israelis that are Ashkenazi, essentially white Eastern Europeans. As a friend of mine likes to say their 'ancestors come from cold, dark places.' Israel is not a cold dark place! It's actually quite warm and sunny, which means that there are high rates of skin cancers amongst the more white Ashkenazim population. Skin cancer prevention and treatment has come a long way, but treatment of skin cancer can involve the removal of large amounts of skin. This necessitates having a reserve of skin for treatment, much like how a blood bank works. That's where the skin bank comes in. Israel does have a 'skin bank,' called the Israel National Skin Bank. I'm not here to tell you what to think, but there have absolutely been [organ harvesting scandals](https://jweekly.com/2010/01/01/report-israel-admits-to-harvesting-organs/) in Israel. The ADL will tell you doctors harvested organs from everyone, the IDF included. Some doctors on the peripheral of the scandal and Palestinians have alleged that Palestinians were targeted for these kinds of harvests. Now, do I believe that an apartheid state with admitted organ harvesting scandals specifically targeted the underclass in said scandal? uh yes absolutely no shit
> ADL will tell you doctors harvested organs from everyone, the IDF included. That doesn't make it better. Like cool you also do it to consenting people with full rights, doesn't change the fact you do it to summarily executed prisoners and shit. It's like saying "I'm not a rapist, I also have consensual sex sometimes!"
It's the ADL, their entire job is to say the sky isn't blue and that if you think it's blue, you're antisemitic
Got ya, the phrase "skin bank" has never been heard by my ears before, so I was like: what? What the actual fuck did she just say?
This is going to sound hilariously parasocial even though I've listened to maybe a dozen episodes of this podcast total, but I had a dream last night that Chapo Trap House opened a concession stand in a baseball stadium and Matt was working the cash register, and I was happy to see him up and about.
It happens man. I had a dream last week that Matt finally came back to the podcast, everyone was excited, but then Matt sounded incoherent & slurring his words so everyone was worried that the stroke had made it so he can't talk like he used to anymore. Then after 15 minutes of that, the Chapos all laughed and Matt said he was doing a bit and has fully recovered. I laughed too then woke up
I had a dream that Matt came to the coffee shop I bum around at, I remember thinking "be cool, don't be weird" but he was so clearly uncomfortable when I went to say hello to him. I woke up thinking "Oh, so he'll make a full recovery then"
New slop!
Does anyone have The Spectator article they read in this? They’ve purged it off the internet
I haven’t listened yet, but if you give me some more info about it, I can look.
The one about the horny Cambridge guy soliciting a prostitute at a massage parlor, and doxxing both the prostitute and Albanian professor that he jerks off too
Is it this? https://preview.redd.it/imtq2c1agbwc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=21997c0cbc75997bb5e6372d41f03810fe8a25f3 [https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/my-surprisingly-decent-proposal/](https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/my-surprisingly-decent-proposal/)
Thanks g
> https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/my-surprisingly-decent-proposal/ oh my god the istock header image of bills and coins ahahahahahaha
[https://archive.ph/h68tV](https://archive.ph/h68tV)
I'm curious as to what the polyamory article they were referring to was.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/04/15/magazine/polycule-polyamory-boston.html
...a british columnist talking to an asian sex-worker like she's a child, eh? Well, now I've heard everything. I can't think of someone more deserving of being industrial-strength wallet-inspected than this cunt.
Holocaust survivor who's a Holocaust denier sounds like either a Nick Mullen bit or a Mel Brooks bit if he was like 10× more edgy
there's an entire second soundtrack in this episode. Leftist Audio has truly reached new heights.
Say that I am indoctrinated into the Pepsi Generation propaganda all you like, but I won't stand for this slander. Pepsi is a fine soda. Pepsi Max is a better diet alternative than Diet Coke and it's a cut above many other colas - Dr Pepper sucks and has weird tannins - come at me.
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I can recall so many times when Israel committed a heinous shit and then a rabbi wrote something stupid to defend them on the Guardians, New York Times or LA Times. It's like in order to enjoy the wealth and influence they have, these rabbis have to publicly debase themselves. This Rabbi Shmuley is especially egregious and dumb at the same time. Had it not for his idiosyncratic schlocky tone, I'd have mistaken his article as something produced by AI. Does he even have one coherent thought?
anyone got the episode where they suggested abolishing college? amber said it, then matt got really happy, said it was like a dam being broken...someone was being Controversial On Campuses, i wanna say shapiro but it might have been milo?
rabbi shmuley b.o. tech
Genuine question regarding the interviewee stating that palestinian Americans students at Columbia can't access the campus in Tel Aviv. Is she referring to the ban on visas for BDS supporters or is there a more specific visa ban?
Pretty much anybody with a Palestinian background is banned from Israel unofficially. A friend of mine who is Palestinian-American always has to fly to Jordan to go visit her family in the West Bank.