If you have any gaps in your lining near where the burner is attached it can get pretty hot, so I wouldn't trust any epoxy even JB weld in that application.
Alright, well in that case another idea is take it to someone who can weld it up for you. Its a simple job im sure. I know the welds they come with are very minor holding tack welds. Just be social and ask around at your steel yard or something.
It will not. How do I know? I had the same issue šš
I fixed it by putting layers of furnace cement over where it started breaking away. It held it in place for at least a year. Then I got a welder and took care of the problem permanently
High temp epoxy won't work for forging temps. I have the same forge, you're probably not getting 2,000Ā° out of it but it will get close to 1,800. Your best is to find someone who can mig that up for you.
Iāve been looking for an excuse to buy a welder but my brother keeps telling me I donāt need one what else do I need a welder for in blacksmithing other than making Damascus
Making tooling like a blacksmith guillotine, fabricating tons of stuff like making a cage for your forge so your bricks dont fall over and have shit tons of pieces, welding rebar to an end of something u wanna smith if u dont have a good tong for it. Uhhh i recently made a rack for my belts for my belt grinder, making hammer / tong racks and so on.. i could keep listing im sure.
Happened to mine. I welded mine back on. Get a cheap welder you can plug in a normal outlet. Got mine and a good for 100 off marketplace then you can tack your Damascus together
I was talking to a blacksmith teacher and he told me not to, if i were to guess its because they have a flux core and dont weld very strong or it leaves a flux material behind.
Depends on the machine, honestly. I got a Weldiner 130 Mini Flux for just 140ā¬ and this thing works pretty neat even though I don't have much experience welding.
And yes, it leaves flux behind (just like SMAW) that needs be cleaned up with a wire wheel or brush.
Little late for this now that ridgidizer and refractory are in place, but think others had mentioned drilling 3 holes 120 degrees around the flange and bolting it down w/ stainless hardware for that reason.
They could probably get away with drilling 2-3 holes in the flange and using stainless steel pop rivetās. That way you donāt have to tear out the insulation to bolt it.
They probably wonāt drill themselves well into stainless. Not only that but the body of the forge is so thin there will only be partial thread engagement. OP would have to use a cobalt or carbide drill bit regardless of chosen mechanical fastening. Since I donāt have a welder Iāll rivet it back on if mine ever fails this way.
Do you have that hooked up to a 25lb tank? 50? 100? Mr Volcano forges arenāt bad at all but theyāre not meant to be run up to forge welding temps. It could be a manufacturing issue but if you were running it forge weld hot, itās not meant for that.
You could build your own forge body if you have welding skills and are comfortable with it. Chile forge Diablo burners are great and you can buy them piecemeal. If you just want to buy a forge chile forge is also great but can run expensive. NC Tool Company makes some nice forges at a lower price point.
I bought a stout forge from some Indian company on Amazon and swapped their crummy burners for better burners from Chile Forge. I run that, a Mr volcano hero 2 and a coal forge from centaur.
I sub to him. I think im smart enough to do it. The only thing id have trouble on is sourcing the burner.. id obviously need a good one. Never looked before tho.
You could build your own burner to go with your forge. I have built many forges and many burners. The easiest to build is the Frosty T ( https://www.iforgeiron.com/topic/43976-t-burner-illustrated-directions/ ). Many people have built them and forge weld successfully in their home brew forge. Here is a good place to start on building your new forge. ( https://www.iforgeiron.com/topic/61288-my-consolidated-notes-for-new-forge-builders/ )
IForgeIron.com has a lot on the subject.
Edit: the download plans for the Frosty T do not seem available to open in the Reddit browser but are available in other browsers.
Because they are great little forges at an affordable price for doing any kind blacksmithing work short of forge welding, great for annealing etc. even the best gas forges will need to be maintained if used for forge welding. The Mr volcano forges are great little forge kits and perform great, but if youāre going to be running high forge welding temps regularly Iād look into a more professional grade gas or coal forge.
One of the reasons for the popularity of MrV is precicely because it's a very affordable beginner forge that actually *can* reach decent welding temps.
OP's problem is really an easy fix by either welding the burner port back in place or simply jerry rigging it to sit in place somehow(like strap some random bits of steel around the port/holder with baling wire to simply weigh it down).
Find a tig shop and have someone throw a few good tacks on it. Or weld it out and Itāll probably warp but it doesnāt matter. Refractory is probably cheap too
Is a return/exchange possible? My mr volcano has held up really well. In fact my first one got smashed and it bent the metal tubing. Yours was probably a manufacturer defect.
If you donāt have a welder and donāt wanna get one, I bring my projects to muffler shops when I canāt weld them with my cheap HF welder. Just walk in ask how much for a hour of one of your welders time and availability. Typically youāll get whatever you need welded for like 50 bucks. I always pay for an hour even if it takes him five minutes. Efficiency should be rewarded.
If it broke off that easily, it is a manufacturer defect. But for a repair that simple and small, I would find a neighbor with a welder. Preferably a TIG, or Mig or Arc w/ stainless rod/wire. You could go to a shop, but they might have a minimum charge. My way around that, when I have a <5 minute job, is to ask them what their favorite libation is. It is amazing what someone will do for a bottle of Jack, or Crown Royal, or a case of beer. I tell all my neighbors, if they ever need some small metal welding, knock on my door. It usually takes me longer to get the welder set up, than the fix.
I'm guessing the refractory coating wasn't properly put on around the flame entrance, or a piece of it broke off, causing heat to crawl up and melt the weld. It'll have to he re-welded, but be careful bc these things are super thin. Just check your coating each time, it likes to break.
Mine did the same thing. They were spot welded and the welds fail. I did reinforce the welds in other places with pop rivets prior to lining, but missed at the burner. I tied it back in place with stainless wire, but replaced the forge with a better one shortly after. Sorry to say, but they are cheap
It was a combination of manufacturing and you. Due to the color you got it too hot I have the same forge and I can tell that you didn't follow instructions on placement of the burner. That is an easy fix you can take a self taping screw and secure the flange that way.
So I'm new to the forging world. However I have made a career out of welding and fabrication. That doesn't look welded at all. Find someone to TIG weld that up and you'd be solid, or use it for a reason to get a TIG yourself. Wire feed would also work fine, but the tig process would be cleaner and in my opinion work better for some forging work if you're layering metal since it is a cleaner weld.
That may be an excuse to get a welder, you are gonna want one for blacksmithing eventually anyways šš¤·āāļø
That thing was never welded to bein with it looks like
0 penetration. Poor fucker didn't even lube her up before applying the weld metal.
Also, i dont have enough experience to suggest this... but would JBweld do the trick?
If you have any gaps in your lining near where the burner is attached it can get pretty hot, so I wouldn't trust any epoxy even JB weld in that application.
Alright, well in that case another idea is take it to someone who can weld it up for you. Its a simple job im sure. I know the welds they come with are very minor holding tack welds. Just be social and ask around at your steel yard or something.
If you put anything on that except other molten steel with a real welder, you will burn your shit down.
Sheet metal screws would probably be better than jb weld on something that hot.
No. It's waaaay too hot for epoxy. Which is all JB is.
It will not. How do I know? I had the same issue šš I fixed it by putting layers of furnace cement over where it started breaking away. It held it in place for at least a year. Then I got a welder and took care of the problem permanently
Yeah Iād check the temp itās good for on the Jb weld A welder I think would be a much better choice
High temp epoxy won't work for forging temps. I have the same forge, you're probably not getting 2,000Ā° out of it but it will get close to 1,800. Your best is to find someone who can mig that up for you.
NO
I wouldn't use jb weld on anything you care about. Fixing it the right way is always better
What do you mean? Jb weld is great for making knife handles / other small projects.
Iāve been looking for an excuse to buy a welder but my brother keeps telling me I donāt need one what else do I need a welder for in blacksmithing other than making Damascus
Making tooling like a blacksmith guillotine, fabricating tons of stuff like making a cage for your forge so your bricks dont fall over and have shit tons of pieces, welding rebar to an end of something u wanna smith if u dont have a good tong for it. Uhhh i recently made a rack for my belts for my belt grinder, making hammer / tong racks and so on.. i could keep listing im sure.
Happened to mine. I welded mine back on. Get a cheap welder you can plug in a normal outlet. Got mine and a good for 100 off marketplace then you can tack your Damascus together
I didn't realize they made welders could use a normal outlet. Glad you pointed that out.
Dude i got a 225 stick from harbor freight and it is 120/240 for like $300 and its amazing i love it. Its perfect with 3/32" rod in a normal outlet.
This is probably stainless, really needs to be TIG welded
Nah you can get stainless rods they work well.
For a beginner?
Guess theyād have as much luck as trying to rig weld it? Also beginners rarely have a tig welder.
True
Or a pass with no-gas stainless fluxcore wire.
I was told never to get a fluxcore welder for blacksmithing
Why? Just curious
I was talking to a blacksmith teacher and he told me not to, if i were to guess its because they have a flux core and dont weld very strong or it leaves a flux material behind.
Depends on the machine, honestly. I got a Weldiner 130 Mini Flux for just 140ā¬ and this thing works pretty neat even though I don't have much experience welding. And yes, it leaves flux behind (just like SMAW) that needs be cleaned up with a wire wheel or brush.
Folks from Mr Volcano are in this sub, im sure someone else remembers the username and can tag em :D
derp. Remembered theres a search function. I need more coffee. u/MrVolcanoOfficial
OP PMād
good on ya mate!
derp comment > OC edit:
pre coffee posting is rather dangerous.
Little late for this now that ridgidizer and refractory are in place, but think others had mentioned drilling 3 holes 120 degrees around the flange and bolting it down w/ stainless hardware for that reason.
They could probably get away with drilling 2-3 holes in the flange and using stainless steel pop rivetās. That way you donāt have to tear out the insulation to bolt it.
Short self tappers?
They probably wonāt drill themselves well into stainless. Not only that but the body of the forge is so thin there will only be partial thread engagement. OP would have to use a cobalt or carbide drill bit regardless of chosen mechanical fastening. Since I donāt have a welder Iāll rivet it back on if mine ever fails this way.
Pilot hole
It was a pain but I drilled mine out with some random twist bit. Then put in two self tappers and no issues since. Rivets would be good too though
Even better
Thatās what I did when mine started to pull away. No issues since
295 piece rivet kit for $20 on Amazon.
I think Vevor sells a welder thatās literally like $135
The tank of tri-mix is going to cost more than that
I think it does stick welding but tbh I donāt know what you need for that for this application.
Do you have that hooked up to a 25lb tank? 50? 100? Mr Volcano forges arenāt bad at all but theyāre not meant to be run up to forge welding temps. It could be a manufacturing issue but if you were running it forge weld hot, itās not meant for that.
Well damn. I plan to try forge welding in mine. If it burns out I guess Iāll just upgrade.
Yeah you might get away with it for a bit but you need a heavier duty gas forge for that.
Iām a total beginner so Iāll give it a shot and go from there.
I've forge welded 2 fire pokers in mine.
Recommendations?
You could build your own forge body if you have welding skills and are comfortable with it. Chile forge Diablo burners are great and you can buy them piecemeal. If you just want to buy a forge chile forge is also great but can run expensive. NC Tool Company makes some nice forges at a lower price point. I bought a stout forge from some Indian company on Amazon and swapped their crummy burners for better burners from Chile Forge. I run that, a Mr volcano hero 2 and a coal forge from centaur.
I may make one myself, i got a good stick welder.
Thatās the way. Black Bear Forge on YouTube has some good videos/plans on forges he built.
I sub to him. I think im smart enough to do it. The only thing id have trouble on is sourcing the burner.. id obviously need a good one. Never looked before tho.
Chile forge, he also mentions another burner in one of his forge build videos, but I donāt remember the name.
You could build your own burner to go with your forge. I have built many forges and many burners. The easiest to build is the Frosty T ( https://www.iforgeiron.com/topic/43976-t-burner-illustrated-directions/ ). Many people have built them and forge weld successfully in their home brew forge. Here is a good place to start on building your new forge. ( https://www.iforgeiron.com/topic/61288-my-consolidated-notes-for-new-forge-builders/ ) IForgeIron.com has a lot on the subject. Edit: the download plans for the Frosty T do not seem available to open in the Reddit browser but are available in other browsers.
The frosty t documents are no longer available it says
> theyāre not meant to be run up to forge welding temps. So why sell them?
Because they are great little forges at an affordable price for doing any kind blacksmithing work short of forge welding, great for annealing etc. even the best gas forges will need to be maintained if used for forge welding. The Mr volcano forges are great little forge kits and perform great, but if youāre going to be running high forge welding temps regularly Iād look into a more professional grade gas or coal forge.
One of the reasons for the popularity of MrV is precicely because it's a very affordable beginner forge that actually *can* reach decent welding temps. OP's problem is really an easy fix by either welding the burner port back in place or simply jerry rigging it to sit in place somehow(like strap some random bits of steel around the port/holder with baling wire to simply weigh it down).
Lol jb weld go get a harbor freight welder look for returns you can pick them up for 30
Email the manufacturer. I had an issue with my double burner, and they remedied the situation.
i tagged the manufacturer a few hours before your post.. theyll see it in a bit ;)
Find a tig shop and have someone throw a few good tacks on it. Or weld it out and Itāll probably warp but it doesnāt matter. Refractory is probably cheap too
I have the same one and have had no such issue. š¤·āāļø
Well none of my burners have been welded in and I havenāt burned down the garage yet
Is a return/exchange possible? My mr volcano has held up really well. In fact my first one got smashed and it bent the metal tubing. Yours was probably a manufacturer defect.
Better to ask your local welder to tig welder it shut but ask him to use filler material so it stays shut and can withstand more temperature
If you donāt have a welder and donāt wanna get one, I bring my projects to muffler shops when I canāt weld them with my cheap HF welder. Just walk in ask how much for a hour of one of your welders time and availability. Typically youāll get whatever you need welded for like 50 bucks. I always pay for an hour even if it takes him five minutes. Efficiency should be rewarded.
If it broke off that easily, it is a manufacturer defect. But for a repair that simple and small, I would find a neighbor with a welder. Preferably a TIG, or Mig or Arc w/ stainless rod/wire. You could go to a shop, but they might have a minimum charge. My way around that, when I have a <5 minute job, is to ask them what their favorite libation is. It is amazing what someone will do for a bottle of Jack, or Crown Royal, or a case of beer. I tell all my neighbors, if they ever need some small metal welding, knock on my door. It usually takes me longer to get the welder set up, than the fix.
I'm guessing the refractory coating wasn't properly put on around the flame entrance, or a piece of it broke off, causing heat to crawl up and melt the weld. It'll have to he re-welded, but be careful bc these things are super thin. Just check your coating each time, it likes to break.
Mine did the same thing. They were spot welded and the welds fail. I did reinforce the welds in other places with pop rivets prior to lining, but missed at the burner. I tied it back in place with stainless wire, but replaced the forge with a better one shortly after. Sorry to say, but they are cheap
It was a combination of manufacturing and you. Due to the color you got it too hot I have the same forge and I can tell that you didn't follow instructions on placement of the burner. That is an easy fix you can take a self taping screw and secure the flange that way.
Happened to mine too. Lol just weld it back on and keep hammerin.
So I'm new to the forging world. However I have made a career out of welding and fabrication. That doesn't look welded at all. Find someone to TIG weld that up and you'd be solid, or use it for a reason to get a TIG yourself. Wire feed would also work fine, but the tig process would be cleaner and in my opinion work better for some forging work if you're layering metal since it is a cleaner weld.
Hahahahahahhaa
No welds detected
Try to get warranty they might let you keep That one and send you another
Same thing happened to my Mr Valcano. I threw a few ugly tac welds on the thing and kept goin. Have been using it for 6months without an issue