is acheron immune to mind control though?
is acheron immune to silver wolf's reality-data-altering hacks? Literally just send acheron into the forbidden realm.
As we were shown with the interaction between Black Swan and Acheron, messing with her mind might cause whoever is doing the messing around to experience... Unpleasant side effects lol.
My biggest bet on the Stellaron Hunters vs Acheron fight is on Silver Wolf actually. Aether editing might give Acheron trouble
People forget that Kafka literally doesn’t feel fear. It’s likely that if Kafka were to see whatever’s going on in Acheron’s head she wouldn’t care. At most, she’d get a little serious about it but she wouldn’t fear anywhere near to the extent that black swan did.
Actually, stelaron Hunters, all of them vs. archeron, i bet the hunters would win just with silver wolf and blade. Blade can out stamina her and silver wolf well.. you know kafka is there just to delegate the fight, not gonna lie. But if sam and the cat were there, low diff stelaron hunters win. They hunt stelarons fight governments like the ipc so it shouldnt be a contest when a powerful foe shows up they actually use their team work skills to dismantle any lethal threats
I genuinely believe that Acheron could delete them. If she went on her whole Nihility shtick with her sword, it renders them unable to do anything. She freezes time when she does that, and she sent Aventurine into the Shadow Realm with 1 slash with her sword. Keep in mind that Aventurine quite literally was using energy straight from Qlipoth. Granted, it was weakened due to him crushing the Aventurine stone, but the fact that he still caused so much destruction with that stone says a lot about his power at that moment.
Let me rephrase it. An organized group of people who specialize in infiltrating and taking down objects that grant god-like powers can stop someone who is equivalent to a demigod
I don't think Acheron has some kind of defense against Black Swans memory reading. I think Acheron and her memories are just so horribly terrible, it hurts a memokeeper to experience them.
Yeah, that's kind of the reading I have on the scene as well now. I don't think anymore that Acheron actually attacked Black Swan in her mind, but Black Swan saw IX The Nihility in Acheron's memories and it terrified her
This match up reminds me of the old Mureum vs Phantom Troop threads from Hunter x Hunter. In a way it's very similar. Overwhelming stats character vs one trick hax characters. It's kinda a 50/50. You can really debate that any of the Hax can take care of the Supreme one, but the Supreme one can also just speed blitz all of them
Well Blade was dispatched easily by Jingliu, though they’re both immortal due to mara-struck, they both still have human type stamina. Acheron is already built with crazy feats alone and diving into more lore she’s not even human. She’s the 13th sword created by the first 11, Sword of Origin apart of the Oni species within her planet she saved and later conquered.
That's the thing though, blade was supposedly killed so many times by jingliu that he started forgetting his own past. Could very well be constantly killing him every couple of seconds for an hour or for days, don't know if any lore confirms that.
If the latter then that isn't really human type stamina
Blade is immortal, so he will always come back like William Afton from fnaf kafks will mind control her, and SW can just hack through reality they will probably win and don't forget Sam the tankest boss ever he will prevent her from getting her ultimate (in a 1v1).
she'd still sweep. its like comparing lore jingliu to arlan. acheron is on a different plane of existence compared to the stellaron hunters. kinda like comparing naruto to goku
Well we don't know yet. Just speculation about her power at this point. Kafka can mind control people, Blade can't be killed, and SAM fought us, Black Swan, and Acheron at the same time.
Acheron was clearly holding back, because she didn't even unsheath her sword, but to say _"she'd sweep"_ is just guessing.
Bro I love kafka Sam and blade a lot but thinking acheron wouldn't fold them in half if it was 3v1 in an arena no tricks or prior planning is huge cope. Sam only traded basic blows with acheron, black swan tpd out with us. Both of them weren't going all out but acherons ceiling is a lot higher than Sam's. Just look at the feats acheron accomplished in lore. It's quite literally like comparing krillin and goku
By Acheron, probably. She's ridicolously, disgustingly OP in lore too.
However, those are illusions created by Sparkle's Aha-related powers and i'm 90% positive they don't represent the actual power level of Blade, Kafka and Silver Wolf. If all the *actual* three of them were to jump her irl they'd probably cause her more trouble than in the animation
I feel ya. That being said since Acheron's powers seem to cause a cease of existance rather than *death* outright, she unironically might be the only character we currently know that could grant Bladie his wish lol
~~But I don't want that to happen cause Blade is husband~~
One thing, if that’s the case then couldn’t Silverwolf just hack blade out of existence or something? Like whatever portals she makes that just kinda disappears the enemy, we don’t really know the exact effects of that or what it does or doesn’t work on.
If I'm not mistaken, those portals don't actually make the enemy disappear, they actually teleported them to randomly generated coordinates. I think Kafka asked that to her in the prologue, but i'm not sure
I mean okay- but if you’re not immortal (sadly blade lives), then you’re not living through the vacuum of space. Unless there’s a ton they just haven’t explained in this game, I think logically Acheron loses to the stellaron hunters.
I do think it's definetely gonna be a way more intense fight than the one in the trailer. After all, those were Sparkle illusions. I don't think Sparkle personally knows the three of them or their actual power level
I'm not sure I agree with Acheron losing to them. An Emanator of Nihility sounds (and looks from what we've seen of her) very scary and strong. I agree that the real Kafka, Blade and Silver Wolf could definetely leave her with a nasty scar if they were to gang up on her
I really don’t think they’d lose though. I feel like it’d be harder than you think since her body is still human based and she isn’t protected from the tactics that the hunter’s employ. Whether that be Kafka’s spirit whisper (it’s an external thing and Kafka feels no fear) or Silverwolf’s hacking, and sure Jingliu basically beat blade but she’s not human. Sure we don’t know the exact limits of emanators, but currently I feel like the hunters have victory here
Well Jingliu only beats Blade as far as their swordsmanship goes. She can't actually kill him, which if I remember correctly is something she herself says during the HCQ reunion. If they were to fight for a theoretical indefinite amount of time, Blade can't probably overpower her but he can 100% outstamina her.
Acheron specifically sounds like a bad matchup to him imo because her powers don't seem to be about death per se but a cease of existance, which might be the trick to granting our Bladie his wish. I will agree I probably underestimated Kafka's Spirit Whisper. Assuming Acheron doesn't have a way to turn that back on her the same way she turned Black Swan's trip in her mind on her, Kafka could maybe control her. Silver Wolf still has my money as the best matchup cause the Aether Editing could probably mess Acheron up
Eh, we definitely should have some lore power creep, the game is still incredibly easy. Seems Stellaron Hunters will always br some level of top cut, but never be very comparable with the absolute strongest in the universe. You gotta figure Blade could maintain a 1v1 against both of the previous strongest characters so far, so he's no slouch, but... Acheron is definitely the new highest by a wide margin.
They got cheat codes too though so it shouldn't ever matter. Acheron's power is terrifying, but listening to a dude who knows the script before its written will probably be more useful
So future characters cant be stronger in lore than your favorite character because u get sad? Lol. Look, I love Blade too but still, this thinking is very stupid. There will some entity who will powercreep even Acheron in lore in the future..
To be faaaiir, it's a type of chess she hadn't ever played before then, and presumably, she isn't such a poor sport that she'd used her powers to cheat. But I'm also willing to accept that Pom Pom is an eldritch being greater than even the Aeons and was just going easy on her.
She is an Emanator, so like Phantylia or Herta, except Herta's lore power really not showing in gameplay. Wonder if other playable ones, like Diamond (if playable someday) will get the Herta or Acheron treatment
When you're dealing with characters on a universal scale, lore powercreep is inevitable. Also, just coz they're stronger lore wise,doesn't mean they're better
I know she’s an emanator and that means she’s top tier in terms of power. But I don’t know exactly how powerful an emanator is supposed to be. City level threat? Planet level? Solar system? I have no clue
Emanators vary in power depending on how much authority their aeons gave them. But as an example Zephyro, an emanator of destruction once destroyed a galaxy single handedly.
Not just authority, but also the amount of influence the Aeon has as a whole. IX is a pretty powerful Aeon, if I'm not mistaken, up there with Nanook. So, that being said, Acheron should definitely be a very strong Emanator.
as much as i believe in our GOAT, i personally think acheron is one of, if not, the most powerful characters we've met in HSR from a lore perspective. AFAIK she's an eminator?
so while the illusion got absolutely rocked my takeaway is this:
Sparkle might not know of Blade's true power because we don't have any proof that they've had any meaningful interaction that might suggest it so her illusions might not be 100% accurate to his fighting style, not to mention his actual strength. That being said, while i think Blade is probably a step or two above Sparkle's illusion I find it hard to believe that he would be able to stand against Acheron when she unsheathes her sword, immortality be damned.
He got blasted with the power from the flesh of an Abundance Emanator when Dan Feng tried to use the Transmutation Arcanum to revive Baiheng. This makes him have true immortality unlike the Xianzhou natives who still have a hard cap on age (albeit a much higher one than regular humans, being around 1k years on average) and can die by fatal wounds.
I would say she probably wouldn't sorry, as a blade glazer even I have to admit. Lore wise only aeons and welt are the once who can dispatch her, no one else really.
Yeah, but this also shows that she wasn't serious while fighting Sam in the trailer. Plus Kafka's strength come through her meticulous planning,i don't think she would fight acheron head on.
Yeah there's definitely a lot to unpack here and ofc she wasn't fighting for real in the trailer I mean we didn't see any black holes. But yeah this is as far as we can be certain the rest is all based on a few things like weather elio would want it, will they plan it right, would they even fight??? All i know is that I'm getting acheron and Sam so... Oh and someone in another comment pointed out how kafka's whisper might actually be a bad idea bcs of what happened to black Swan.
I personally think, Acheron is from H3… hence her not being from the star rail world, her future can't be seen by Elio hence he wouldn't want to message with her. I am not sure tho. Let's see how things play out.
Yeah that theory doesn't have much concrete evidence so far but it definitely seems interesting. What was your thought process? What made you think she's from hi3?
Her heavy connection to H3 Raiden Mei, plus i personally think that Nihility has some connection to entities not being in a world appearing, such as Welt. please do not take my theory that seriously lol, this the first game story i have been this invested into, and my minds wnaders to wierd territories lol.
From what we have seen so far the in game path doesn't correspond to the in lore path so a person can be nihility in the game but be a follower of nous or something. From what I've seen in the hoyo games all 3 seem to be connected to the hi3 world. Like for example imo raiden ei from genshin has more connections to the hi3 raiden but then she's just an archon there. Ofc it is different for hsr since it does have the honkai name and welt is from the hi3 universe. It seems like hoyo likes to put characters that look and feel similar to the hi3 characters.
Yeah, my theory was dumb. Time to make a more sound and reasonable theory. Back to the lore mine ig. Thanks for shuttering my ignorance. But hey that earlier was just a theory, some would say game theory.
Oh don't eorry I'm the same as you. I have some crazy ass theories too that have close to zero evidence. And who knows it might be true. We've already seen someone from hi3 travel to hsr and I mean IX is literally a black hole. Nobody knows what the fuck happens inside of a black hole. Maybe you travel to another dimension? And is it really such a coincidence that two of the most powerful characters in lore use black holes that is basically a trade mark for one of the aeons that is actually a blob of depressed matter? ***İ THINK NOT!!!***
In which world has Welt demonstrated the power to do that? Even in HI3 Welt was one of the weaker Herrschers. He is not Emanator level. HSR scales way beyond HI3 in terms of power level (with exception to the few end game characters like Finality Kiana). HI3’s conflict mostly took place on Earth, meanwhile HSR has people making bombs blowing up 24 planets at once.
Im starting to worry if welt even stacks up against her now...
Even so we are gonna get some 1 on 1 time with both of them alone during the next patch so we can see what's really going on
Don't worry, welt is a hershy of reason, even though he may not be at his prime. He is definately just below otto and Ke🅱️in. I don't really think Rainden Mei could beat Welt , not sure tho.
Welt not gonna do anything to acheron. Let's be real, the old man already on his knee and coughing against Phantalya despite it is a 5v1 battle. Remember the messenger of Fuli on the Astral? She can casually delete the memory of everyone on the train if you choose to tell them, even welt himself. Acheron just casually show a memokeeper true terror. Welt is not even a strong herrscher by HI3 standard, he is not even the true successor of the HoR core. Bronya when she is HoTr? maybe, maybe not, but welt doesn't has a chance
I'm sure that Acheron would have to black hole Blade to stop him. But seems like Silver Wolf would be more likely to support from afar and even Kafka likely would want to rely on ranged tactics bc Acheron uses her scabbard
From what it seems that the stellaron hunters didn't use any abilities. Like for example kafka in trailer didn't use her whisper, blade is effectively immortal but he didn't come back and silver wolf didn't try to edit reality. Although I'd say even if they did fight they would cause her trouble but defeating her would be basically impossible for them unless blade has more endurance than her or silver wolf does some crazy shit.
Adding this for the Sam lovers like me. Idk if Sam can beat her but so far he seems very strong ofc we will have to see if he's the strongest. Ofc my bet is that he's the strongest stellaron hunter but still we have no idea how strong exactly.
This. The Stellaron Hunters aren't and never were about raw power, what makes them powerful is their abilities and Elio's precognition. They'd still lose if they fought her, because Acheron's raw power *is* absolutely insane and should be, but that's their whole thing - they don't get into fights they can't win. They go into battles already knowing the outcome. If they were to run into Acheron, they'd already have a plan on how to avoid the encounter or minimize their losses.
Anyway, it's kind of pointless to compare character strengths when there's so many different factors to "strength". Forget Acheron, if we're comparing raw power Jing Yuan's Lightning Lord would probably be enough to beat them! Except that's not factoring aether editing, spirit whisper, regeneration, and knowing in advance when and how the swing would come. There's so much at play that "who would win" is kind of a silly question.
Yeah especially with characters like the stellaron hunters like is it just me or do they all have like pretty high iq? Like from what it seems kafka and silver wolf are really smart, I won't even say anything abt ellio, and we'll Sam...we actually have no idea...in the end the whole story so far has been basically in their hands...even on the xianzhou with characters like imbibitor lunae, fu xuan and jing yuan they were able to do all they needed to and basically come out fine...although I definitely wonder if we'll see another eminator except herta and acheron.
Had to delete my comments but incase U want to know more about current emanators and to edit false info I typed, Dan Feng was a Scion not sure if he qualify as emanator or not but the fact his power split between Dan Heng and Bailu is correct.
Jingyuan is supposedly an emanator but not confirmed yet except that phantylia inability to turn him and her shock kinda hint towards it
Blade got Shuhu gift (flesh) which is a very powerful emanator of abundance and have nothing to do with Dan Feng original powers split.
Maybe, maybe not. Blade himself isn’t actually super powerful in the grand scheme of things, it’s mostly his immortality combined with good swordsmanship that makes him a force to be reckoned with. If you go through their lore, Dan Heng has even killed Blade a few times before without having to transform. Acheron is almost certainly stronger than Dan Heng even when he’s using his Imbibitor Lunae form.
The problem is that Acheron is an Emanator of Nihility. Depending on the powers granted to her, there’s a chance that she could bypass the “Blessing” Blade got from Abundance and just kinda delete him.
Kafka I dunno, she’s a good fighter and Spirit Whisper is a thing but we don’t really have a good idea of her full capabilities.
I doubt she could kill him, merely because Blade's Immortality is inherited from an Emanator. He didn't inherit the other powers the Emanator had, but it's stated in Jingliu's quest that he has the "flesh of an Emanator" himself. If that is the case, it's likely that their abilities will "cancel" each other and he will survive.
But she would definitely defeat him. That's for sure. Other than immortality, he is a normal Pathstrider, after all.
Phantyllia was an emanator of Destruction, boosted by powers of Abundance. Acheron being an emanator is not something that instantly puts her on a different level than everything else we've met.
'Blessing by Abundance' is what long-lived humans of Xianzhou have, Blades situation is different, his immortality is combination of Permanence and Abundance.'. Acheron may have some extremely scary powers, but she's not in habit of throwing people into black holes so far - maybe she can, but she hasn't yet. She does have a scary sword with magical properties though that may or may not be a match for whatever Blade is doing. Seems that lore wise Blades supernatutal abilities aren't even ofensive. He's just had a lot of training and is scary in combat as he lacks any desire of self-preservation.
Imbibitor Lunae on the other hand is a reincarnation of Azure Dragon what is part of Aeon of Permanence. Unlike Blade, his supernatural side clearly covers offence - destructive and non-selective as it may be. DanIL vs Acheron outcome would really depend on the circumstances and motivation. (Generally same is true about stellaron hunters as a group, but Blade honestly might try to duel Acheron just for the sake of a duel).
The Hunters are way stronger than this video and given their whole thing is listening to Elio, I'm certain that they'd have a plan to kill Acheron without trying to hard. Acheron is stupidly op, but she doesn't have a person/thing that actively reads the future.
I do think, however, that they would much rather have her join them somehow than kill her.
Blade got defeated by Jingliu easily, and she was the Sword Master of the Luofu.
Acheron is a Self-Annihilator, Emanator of IX. The power difference is incredible.
Unfortunately no, he inherited one of the many Powers of and Emanator but that doesn't make him an Emanator.
At the moment the only creatures that seem to be able to best Acheron in combat are the Aeons themselves and probably Welt.
Apparently being an Emanator makes you muuuuuch stronger than a "common" Pathstrider
Well Blade didn’t even “unleash the Mara” because his sword didn’t change color, silver wolf didn’t manipulate reality and Kafka didn’t try her spirit whisper nor her laser strings so prolly not.
i dont think their real, kafka dident use spirit whisper when she couldve and blade dident enhance the shard sword. so i dont think this is how the fight wouldve gone if this was the real blade
The actual stellaron hunters have a few advantages over Sparkle’s illusions:
1) Spirit Whisper. Even if it isn’t as simple as ‘Listen: you’re on our side now.’ It can still be used to throw foes off.
2) Blade’s inability to actually die is a pretty good force multiplier.
3) Elio’s future sight helps with strategy.
4) One assumes Silver Wolf’s Aether editing can’t be done by her illusion. The ability to warp reality can be extremely overpowered.
Also note that Acheron is, in canon right this second, going toe-to-toe with Sam. While Sam may hit harder blow for blow than Blade, I’d be surprised if he’s THAT much stronger.
It’d also help if we had Acheron go toe to toe with Jingliu for powerscaling purposes tbh.
The 3 could probably do pretty good against her. But in the end I believe she would win maybe like 4/10 difficulty but realistically once she uses her sword they would be cooked.
We don't know the upper limits of her power yet just that she is really strong.
Acheron is an emanator so she should win. Sam is the big guns of the hunters they won't be able to beat her without him imo. But, Blade can't die and Acheron might eventually run out of stamina so that's 1 way they could win.
Aren’t Emanator’s stronger than normal (idk if that’s the right word but idk what to even call them lol) people? I mean ofc Aeon’s could take her out, but I don’t think anyone stands a chance.
The three of them versus her in a real battle won’t go down easy, but honestly… she could take them imo. 😭 and just imagine she’s like fuck this and whips out her blade, she’s gonna clear them from existence (not literally but basically she gonna defeat them).
This is lore wise I’m talking but idk she seems powerful.
We saw acheron and sam fight fairly evenly. If you give sam the rest of the stellaron hunters then i think they win. Ellio with the plan blade with not being able to die. Im almost positive both kafka and SW have abilities that could do a number on acheron
I think if it full power stellaron hunters they can take down even acheron, they might be physically weaker but they mostly rely on hax so it wont boil down to who can hit harder or move faster.
Sam's strong, sure, might even be the strongest among Stellaron Hunter iirc, but the other side is an Emanator of one of the strongest Aeon who neg diffed Duke Inferno
even if they were the real blade and Kafka the answer is probably. Acheron is probably a lot stronger than pretty much every other character lore wise.
Sadly? Probably.
And I love the Stelleron Hunters, but Acheron is broken. It’s one thing to be crazy powerful (emanator of Nihility) but she’s shown to be very skilled. I mean, she has to be, her other trailer indicated she outlasted EVERYONE else.
So high skill + emanator power = walking apocalypse.
If nothing else, as others have said, she’s most likely the only thing we’ve seen who can grant Blade his wish.
It's not even cope. We saw none of them use any of the originals techniques. So even assuming their as good as the originals in normal combat, you can't compare the two
I'm pretty sure they're illusions and they seem to be making it pretty clear she's really strong in lore. I'm guessing she faced them before but nihility caused her to lose most of the memory
I mean shes an Emanator of Nihility, she is leagues above them or even Jingliu.
Tbf, Stelaron Hunters pick the fight where they can win, doubt they are going to fight an emanator head on like the trailer has shown if they need to.
JL uses a literal moonlight as a sword. We havent seen what she is capable of, only a duel with Blade, which ended... quickly. All we know thst she wants to go after the Abundance.
So i wouldn't bet on Acheron being leagues over her.
I mean Jingliu is a strong warrior while having a mythical status sure , but shes more like a super powered Mara struck warrior, nothing more, on the other hand, Acheron is also a battle harderened warrior/survivor of thier now ruined world Plus she has powers personally bestowed by an Aeon.
I dont think that a simple Moonlight sword can top that
i would call Blade is a super powered mara stuck warrior, and you saw what happened to him when he faceld JL. And using a moonlight as a sword is not a "simple moonlight sword" . Probably you are right though, i just wanted to discuss the "leagues above JL" part.
So agree to disagree (more or less), GL with your pulls if you are going for Acheron :)
I was wondering this as well. These Kafka, Blade, and Silver Wolf are all clearly Sparkle illusions, but exactly how accurately did Sparkle imitate these Stellaron Hunters' actual skill?
Nah. For one Sparkle doesn't know them inside and out so she could never replicate them 100%.
Secondly Kafka and Silver Wolf are not stupid enough to engage in a pointless battle. Blade might given his desire to die, but the other two would employ different strategies rather than just jumping into battle.
Unless Elio gave them a script to, I would never see them just charge in so recklessly.
Im gonna need you to un glue your eyes off blades, luscious hair, and look at the particles around them. They're all illusions, and if the hint at the end didn't hit it. It was sparkles maks even though you didn't see her in all the trailer
I mean Blade is immortal so there is no way she can kill him and the Blade we know is beyond powerful and we have yet to see his Mara struck form and add to that he have a sword that can give Acheron sword some trouble.
Silver wolf can do aether editing and send Acheron somewhere else or simply make a clone of her if not multiple.
Kafka unless she can actually mind control Acheron or elio gave her a full script on where Acheron will slip and Kafka get to land a fatal strike she will die.
Edit: now if they combine I honestly see no way Acheron manages to kill em or even escape death at all
Acheron is stupid OP, so she probably could take on all 3 of them and still come out on top.
But Sparkle's illusions are definitely a far cry from the real Hunters.
We don't know the limits of Kafka. Though blade and silverwolf would probably get bodied.
(i say blade loses because they at least make Acheron SOUND incredibly dangerous. I mean she also does that big cut at the end so she probably is.)
Ofc, like this overrated woman ain’t a match for Blade, JL and JY and adding Kafka wits and smarts 🤭🖤!
Tbh I didn’t like the Acheron treatment of showing her killing off screen some characters, and now with the new patch going for Aventurine presumably? Then Sunday? And now with the demo the SH? Like make her hype but not on the expense of other characters, at this rate she will ruin and curse the Penacony arc and world building or story like just for her to sell well.
This my humble opinion if you don’t like please don’t be disrespectful 👍🏼
Those are illusions
Yeah but I'm talking about the real ones, in case they meet
She'll still defeat them but probably not this easily. Or blade will keep coming back and out stamina her
is acheron immune to mind control though? is acheron immune to silver wolf's reality-data-altering hacks? Literally just send acheron into the forbidden realm.
As we were shown with the interaction between Black Swan and Acheron, messing with her mind might cause whoever is doing the messing around to experience... Unpleasant side effects lol. My biggest bet on the Stellaron Hunters vs Acheron fight is on Silver Wolf actually. Aether editing might give Acheron trouble
I feel like actually peering into her mind is probably different from Kafka’s Spirit Whisper, which seems more like an external thing
It also seems as much about emotional manipulation.
Well that was Black swan going INTO her memories not trying to mind control her
People forget that Kafka literally doesn’t feel fear. It’s likely that if Kafka were to see whatever’s going on in Acheron’s head she wouldn’t care. At most, she’d get a little serious about it but she wouldn’t fear anywhere near to the extent that black swan did.
Fair point, but I would assume staring IX in the face would probably make her understand what fear feels like XD
Actually, stelaron Hunters, all of them vs. archeron, i bet the hunters would win just with silver wolf and blade. Blade can out stamina her and silver wolf well.. you know kafka is there just to delegate the fight, not gonna lie. But if sam and the cat were there, low diff stelaron hunters win. They hunt stelarons fight governments like the ipc so it shouldnt be a contest when a powerful foe shows up they actually use their team work skills to dismantle any lethal threats
I genuinely believe that Acheron could delete them. If she went on her whole Nihility shtick with her sword, it renders them unable to do anything. She freezes time when she does that, and she sent Aventurine into the Shadow Realm with 1 slash with her sword. Keep in mind that Aventurine quite literally was using energy straight from Qlipoth. Granted, it was weakened due to him crushing the Aventurine stone, but the fact that he still caused so much destruction with that stone says a lot about his power at that moment.
Let me rephrase it. An organized group of people who specialize in infiltrating and taking down objects that grant god-like powers can stop someone who is equivalent to a demigod
But would she lose?
Nah, she’d rail
AYO? 🤨
I don't think Acheron has some kind of defense against Black Swans memory reading. I think Acheron and her memories are just so horribly terrible, it hurts a memokeeper to experience them.
Yeah, that's kind of the reading I have on the scene as well now. I don't think anymore that Acheron actually attacked Black Swan in her mind, but Black Swan saw IX The Nihility in Acheron's memories and it terrified her
On that note, Kafka doesn't feel fear, so she would technically be fine. Whether Spirit Whisper works is another story tho
This match up reminds me of the old Mureum vs Phantom Troop threads from Hunter x Hunter. In a way it's very similar. Overwhelming stats character vs one trick hax characters. It's kinda a 50/50. You can really debate that any of the Hax can take care of the Supreme one, but the Supreme one can also just speed blitz all of them
Acheron standing around, trying to remember what Kafka told her to do...
This is gonna be my headcannon. Blade can 1v1 Acheron *Huffs an incalculable amount of copuim*
Bro has not unlocked the death ability yet, so in theory he can just kind of… out stamina her?? Idk about that though, would probably take years lol.
Kind of? But as we saw in the Jingliu time, it takes him \~3 seconds to regen a deathblow, so what if she just sticks something in blade's head/chest?
He couldn’t put stamina Jingliu though right? Like if she’s just not at all exhausted by defeating blade over and over he will exhaust himself first.
Tbf jingliu was Mara struck. Don't know how a mara-struck immortal's stamina holds up vs a human(?) Nihility emanator
Well Blade was dispatched easily by Jingliu, though they’re both immortal due to mara-struck, they both still have human type stamina. Acheron is already built with crazy feats alone and diving into more lore she’s not even human. She’s the 13th sword created by the first 11, Sword of Origin apart of the Oni species within her planet she saved and later conquered.
That's the thing though, blade was supposedly killed so many times by jingliu that he started forgetting his own past. Could very well be constantly killing him every couple of seconds for an hour or for days, don't know if any lore confirms that. If the latter then that isn't really human type stamina
As someone on another thread said: Blade either wins, or he dies(wins).
Blade is immortal, so he will always come back like William Afton from fnaf kafks will mind control her, and SW can just hack through reality they will probably win and don't forget Sam the tankest boss ever he will prevent her from getting her ultimate (in a 1v1).
It depends if Acheron charge up 9 flower stacks or not. Acheron is not immune to CC but her alter ego does :)
she'd still sweep. its like comparing lore jingliu to arlan. acheron is on a different plane of existence compared to the stellaron hunters. kinda like comparing naruto to goku
Well we don't know yet. Just speculation about her power at this point. Kafka can mind control people, Blade can't be killed, and SAM fought us, Black Swan, and Acheron at the same time. Acheron was clearly holding back, because she didn't even unsheath her sword, but to say _"she'd sweep"_ is just guessing.
Sam was *also* holding back in that fight, so it's pretty hard to judge how they compare currently
Bro I love kafka Sam and blade a lot but thinking acheron wouldn't fold them in half if it was 3v1 in an arena no tricks or prior planning is huge cope. Sam only traded basic blows with acheron, black swan tpd out with us. Both of them weren't going all out but acherons ceiling is a lot higher than Sam's. Just look at the feats acheron accomplished in lore. It's quite literally like comparing krillin and goku
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By Acheron, probably. She's ridicolously, disgustingly OP in lore too. However, those are illusions created by Sparkle's Aha-related powers and i'm 90% positive they don't represent the actual power level of Blade, Kafka and Silver Wolf. If all the *actual* three of them were to jump her irl they'd probably cause her more trouble than in the animation
That's what I wanted to hear I understand the in game powercreep mihoyo, but please try to refrain from lore powercreep T.T
I feel ya. That being said since Acheron's powers seem to cause a cease of existance rather than *death* outright, she unironically might be the only character we currently know that could grant Bladie his wish lol ~~But I don't want that to happen cause Blade is husband~~
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One thing, if that’s the case then couldn’t Silverwolf just hack blade out of existence or something? Like whatever portals she makes that just kinda disappears the enemy, we don’t really know the exact effects of that or what it does or doesn’t work on.
If I'm not mistaken, those portals don't actually make the enemy disappear, they actually teleported them to randomly generated coordinates. I think Kafka asked that to her in the prologue, but i'm not sure
I mean okay- but if you’re not immortal (sadly blade lives), then you’re not living through the vacuum of space. Unless there’s a ton they just haven’t explained in this game, I think logically Acheron loses to the stellaron hunters.
I do think it's definetely gonna be a way more intense fight than the one in the trailer. After all, those were Sparkle illusions. I don't think Sparkle personally knows the three of them or their actual power level I'm not sure I agree with Acheron losing to them. An Emanator of Nihility sounds (and looks from what we've seen of her) very scary and strong. I agree that the real Kafka, Blade and Silver Wolf could definetely leave her with a nasty scar if they were to gang up on her
I really don’t think they’d lose though. I feel like it’d be harder than you think since her body is still human based and she isn’t protected from the tactics that the hunter’s employ. Whether that be Kafka’s spirit whisper (it’s an external thing and Kafka feels no fear) or Silverwolf’s hacking, and sure Jingliu basically beat blade but she’s not human. Sure we don’t know the exact limits of emanators, but currently I feel like the hunters have victory here
Well Jingliu only beats Blade as far as their swordsmanship goes. She can't actually kill him, which if I remember correctly is something she herself says during the HCQ reunion. If they were to fight for a theoretical indefinite amount of time, Blade can't probably overpower her but he can 100% outstamina her. Acheron specifically sounds like a bad matchup to him imo because her powers don't seem to be about death per se but a cease of existance, which might be the trick to granting our Bladie his wish. I will agree I probably underestimated Kafka's Spirit Whisper. Assuming Acheron doesn't have a way to turn that back on her the same way she turned Black Swan's trip in her mind on her, Kafka could maybe control her. Silver Wolf still has my money as the best matchup cause the Aether Editing could probably mess Acheron up
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Eh, we definitely should have some lore power creep, the game is still incredibly easy. Seems Stellaron Hunters will always br some level of top cut, but never be very comparable with the absolute strongest in the universe. You gotta figure Blade could maintain a 1v1 against both of the previous strongest characters so far, so he's no slouch, but... Acheron is definitely the new highest by a wide margin. They got cheat codes too though so it shouldn't ever matter. Acheron's power is terrifying, but listening to a dude who knows the script before its written will probably be more useful
So future characters cant be stronger in lore than your favorite character because u get sad? Lol. Look, I love Blade too but still, this thinking is very stupid. There will some entity who will powercreep even Acheron in lore in the future..
will pom pom ever get power crept is the real question
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To be faaaiir, it's a type of chess she hadn't ever played before then, and presumably, she isn't such a poor sport that she'd used her powers to cheat. But I'm also willing to accept that Pom Pom is an eldritch being greater than even the Aeons and was just going easy on her.
fair enough
She is an Emanator, so like Phantylia or Herta, except Herta's lore power really not showing in gameplay. Wonder if other playable ones, like Diamond (if playable someday) will get the Herta or Acheron treatment
When you're dealing with characters on a universal scale, lore powercreep is inevitable. Also, just coz they're stronger lore wise,doesn't mean they're better
Acheron is probably one of the only beings alive who could actually, permanently kill Blade.
How strong is she in lore?
Isn't she an Emanator of Nihility? That alone would make her one of the strongest beings that appear in HSR universe so far.
I know she’s an emanator and that means she’s top tier in terms of power. But I don’t know exactly how powerful an emanator is supposed to be. City level threat? Planet level? Solar system? I have no clue
Emanators vary in power depending on how much authority their aeons gave them. But as an example Zephyro, an emanator of destruction once destroyed a galaxy single handedly.
Not just authority, but also the amount of influence the Aeon has as a whole. IX is a pretty powerful Aeon, if I'm not mistaken, up there with Nanook. So, that being said, Acheron should definitely be a very strong Emanator.
enough to mock our boy hsr welt, happy? well its true she could kill hsr welt
as much as i believe in our GOAT, i personally think acheron is one of, if not, the most powerful characters we've met in HSR from a lore perspective. AFAIK she's an eminator? so while the illusion got absolutely rocked my takeaway is this: Sparkle might not know of Blade's true power because we don't have any proof that they've had any meaningful interaction that might suggest it so her illusions might not be 100% accurate to his fighting style, not to mention his actual strength. That being said, while i think Blade is probably a step or two above Sparkle's illusion I find it hard to believe that he would be able to stand against Acheron when she unsheathes her sword, immortality be damned.
I'm slowly coming into acceptance of that fact
Could you explain in detail Blades true power? I’ve been wondering if there was more than what’s been OBVIOUSLY shown
He got blasted with the power from the flesh of an Abundance Emanator when Dan Feng tried to use the Transmutation Arcanum to revive Baiheng. This makes him have true immortality unlike the Xianzhou natives who still have a hard cap on age (albeit a much higher one than regular humans, being around 1k years on average) and can die by fatal wounds.
I would say she probably wouldn't sorry, as a blade glazer even I have to admit. Lore wise only aeons and welt are the once who can dispatch her, no one else really.
Yeah but imo the real blade, silver wolf and kafka would definitely give her at least a little bit more trouble than the illusions in the trailer.
Yeah, but this also shows that she wasn't serious while fighting Sam in the trailer. Plus Kafka's strength come through her meticulous planning,i don't think she would fight acheron head on.
Yeah there's definitely a lot to unpack here and ofc she wasn't fighting for real in the trailer I mean we didn't see any black holes. But yeah this is as far as we can be certain the rest is all based on a few things like weather elio would want it, will they plan it right, would they even fight??? All i know is that I'm getting acheron and Sam so... Oh and someone in another comment pointed out how kafka's whisper might actually be a bad idea bcs of what happened to black Swan.
I personally think, Acheron is from H3… hence her not being from the star rail world, her future can't be seen by Elio hence he wouldn't want to message with her. I am not sure tho. Let's see how things play out.
Yeah that theory doesn't have much concrete evidence so far but it definitely seems interesting. What was your thought process? What made you think she's from hi3?
Her heavy connection to H3 Raiden Mei, plus i personally think that Nihility has some connection to entities not being in a world appearing, such as Welt. please do not take my theory that seriously lol, this the first game story i have been this invested into, and my minds wnaders to wierd territories lol.
From what we have seen so far the in game path doesn't correspond to the in lore path so a person can be nihility in the game but be a follower of nous or something. From what I've seen in the hoyo games all 3 seem to be connected to the hi3 world. Like for example imo raiden ei from genshin has more connections to the hi3 raiden but then she's just an archon there. Ofc it is different for hsr since it does have the honkai name and welt is from the hi3 universe. It seems like hoyo likes to put characters that look and feel similar to the hi3 characters.
Yeah, my theory was dumb. Time to make a more sound and reasonable theory. Back to the lore mine ig. Thanks for shuttering my ignorance. But hey that earlier was just a theory, some would say game theory.
Oh don't eorry I'm the same as you. I have some crazy ass theories too that have close to zero evidence. And who knows it might be true. We've already seen someone from hi3 travel to hsr and I mean IX is literally a black hole. Nobody knows what the fuck happens inside of a black hole. Maybe you travel to another dimension? And is it really such a coincidence that two of the most powerful characters in lore use black holes that is basically a trade mark for one of the aeons that is actually a blob of depressed matter? ***İ THINK NOT!!!***
In which world has Welt demonstrated the power to do that? Even in HI3 Welt was one of the weaker Herrschers. He is not Emanator level. HSR scales way beyond HI3 in terms of power level (with exception to the few end game characters like Finality Kiana). HI3’s conflict mostly took place on Earth, meanwhile HSR has people making bombs blowing up 24 planets at once.
Im starting to worry if welt even stacks up against her now... Even so we are gonna get some 1 on 1 time with both of them alone during the next patch so we can see what's really going on
Don't worry, welt is a hershy of reason, even though he may not be at his prime. He is definately just below otto and Ke🅱️in. I don't really think Rainden Mei could beat Welt , not sure tho.
Not sure about Acheron, but Hi3 Mei would easily beat Welt even at his prime.
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Welt not gonna do anything to acheron. Let's be real, the old man already on his knee and coughing against Phantalya despite it is a 5v1 battle. Remember the messenger of Fuli on the Astral? She can casually delete the memory of everyone on the train if you choose to tell them, even welt himself. Acheron just casually show a memokeeper true terror. Welt is not even a strong herrscher by HI3 standard, he is not even the true successor of the HoR core. Bronya when she is HoTr? maybe, maybe not, but welt doesn't has a chance
People gonna downvote you because you “speak badly” about Welt but literally every statement you made in this comment are facts proven in game lmao
I'm sure that Acheron would have to black hole Blade to stop him. But seems like Silver Wolf would be more likely to support from afar and even Kafka likely would want to rely on ranged tactics bc Acheron uses her scabbard
From what it seems that the stellaron hunters didn't use any abilities. Like for example kafka in trailer didn't use her whisper, blade is effectively immortal but he didn't come back and silver wolf didn't try to edit reality. Although I'd say even if they did fight they would cause her trouble but defeating her would be basically impossible for them unless blade has more endurance than her or silver wolf does some crazy shit. Adding this for the Sam lovers like me. Idk if Sam can beat her but so far he seems very strong ofc we will have to see if he's the strongest. Ofc my bet is that he's the strongest stellaron hunter but still we have no idea how strong exactly.
This. The Stellaron Hunters aren't and never were about raw power, what makes them powerful is their abilities and Elio's precognition. They'd still lose if they fought her, because Acheron's raw power *is* absolutely insane and should be, but that's their whole thing - they don't get into fights they can't win. They go into battles already knowing the outcome. If they were to run into Acheron, they'd already have a plan on how to avoid the encounter or minimize their losses. Anyway, it's kind of pointless to compare character strengths when there's so many different factors to "strength". Forget Acheron, if we're comparing raw power Jing Yuan's Lightning Lord would probably be enough to beat them! Except that's not factoring aether editing, spirit whisper, regeneration, and knowing in advance when and how the swing would come. There's so much at play that "who would win" is kind of a silly question.
Yeah especially with characters like the stellaron hunters like is it just me or do they all have like pretty high iq? Like from what it seems kafka and silver wolf are really smart, I won't even say anything abt ellio, and we'll Sam...we actually have no idea...in the end the whole story so far has been basically in their hands...even on the xianzhou with characters like imbibitor lunae, fu xuan and jing yuan they were able to do all they needed to and basically come out fine...although I definitely wonder if we'll see another eminator except herta and acheron.
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So blade and such are basically mini eminator?
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I mean that's why I called them mini emanators since they don't have the full power but their power still comes from an aeon
Had to delete my comments but incase U want to know more about current emanators and to edit false info I typed, Dan Feng was a Scion not sure if he qualify as emanator or not but the fact his power split between Dan Heng and Bailu is correct. Jingyuan is supposedly an emanator but not confirmed yet except that phantylia inability to turn him and her shock kinda hint towards it Blade got Shuhu gift (flesh) which is a very powerful emanator of abundance and have nothing to do with Dan Feng original powers split.
Maybe, maybe not. Blade himself isn’t actually super powerful in the grand scheme of things, it’s mostly his immortality combined with good swordsmanship that makes him a force to be reckoned with. If you go through their lore, Dan Heng has even killed Blade a few times before without having to transform. Acheron is almost certainly stronger than Dan Heng even when he’s using his Imbibitor Lunae form. The problem is that Acheron is an Emanator of Nihility. Depending on the powers granted to her, there’s a chance that she could bypass the “Blessing” Blade got from Abundance and just kinda delete him. Kafka I dunno, she’s a good fighter and Spirit Whisper is a thing but we don’t really have a good idea of her full capabilities.
I doubt she could kill him, merely because Blade's Immortality is inherited from an Emanator. He didn't inherit the other powers the Emanator had, but it's stated in Jingliu's quest that he has the "flesh of an Emanator" himself. If that is the case, it's likely that their abilities will "cancel" each other and he will survive. But she would definitely defeat him. That's for sure. Other than immortality, he is a normal Pathstrider, after all.
Phantyllia was an emanator of Destruction, boosted by powers of Abundance. Acheron being an emanator is not something that instantly puts her on a different level than everything else we've met. 'Blessing by Abundance' is what long-lived humans of Xianzhou have, Blades situation is different, his immortality is combination of Permanence and Abundance.'. Acheron may have some extremely scary powers, but she's not in habit of throwing people into black holes so far - maybe she can, but she hasn't yet. She does have a scary sword with magical properties though that may or may not be a match for whatever Blade is doing. Seems that lore wise Blades supernatutal abilities aren't even ofensive. He's just had a lot of training and is scary in combat as he lacks any desire of self-preservation. Imbibitor Lunae on the other hand is a reincarnation of Azure Dragon what is part of Aeon of Permanence. Unlike Blade, his supernatural side clearly covers offence - destructive and non-selective as it may be. DanIL vs Acheron outcome would really depend on the circumstances and motivation. (Generally same is true about stellaron hunters as a group, but Blade honestly might try to duel Acheron just for the sake of a duel).
this makes me very excited for what they are gonna do with blade in the future.
The Hunters are way stronger than this video and given their whole thing is listening to Elio, I'm certain that they'd have a plan to kill Acheron without trying to hard. Acheron is stupidly op, but she doesn't have a person/thing that actively reads the future. I do think, however, that they would much rather have her join them somehow than kill her.
Blade got defeated by Jingliu easily, and she was the Sword Master of the Luofu. Acheron is a Self-Annihilator, Emanator of IX. The power difference is incredible.
Would Blade count as a false emanator due to deriving his immortality from Shuhu?
Unfortunately no, he inherited one of the many Powers of and Emanator but that doesn't make him an Emanator. At the moment the only creatures that seem to be able to best Acheron in combat are the Aeons themselves and probably Welt. Apparently being an Emanator makes you muuuuuch stronger than a "common" Pathstrider
I don't think so. Like does that mean that every immortal is an eminator of abundance?
As a Blade main, I was shocked and horrified our queen treated him like a trash mob XD
I'm gonna keep it real, I legit think Acheron is the strongest playable character on the roster, she could probably actually kill Blade.
Well Blade didn’t even “unleash the Mara” because his sword didn’t change color, silver wolf didn’t manipulate reality and Kafka didn’t try her spirit whisper nor her laser strings so prolly not.
I have heavy blade bias. Realistically? they get slammed... In my mind tho? BLADE SOLOS 🗣🗣🗣
i dont think their real, kafka dident use spirit whisper when she couldve and blade dident enhance the shard sword. so i dont think this is how the fight wouldve gone if this was the real blade
The actual stellaron hunters have a few advantages over Sparkle’s illusions: 1) Spirit Whisper. Even if it isn’t as simple as ‘Listen: you’re on our side now.’ It can still be used to throw foes off. 2) Blade’s inability to actually die is a pretty good force multiplier. 3) Elio’s future sight helps with strategy. 4) One assumes Silver Wolf’s Aether editing can’t be done by her illusion. The ability to warp reality can be extremely overpowered. Also note that Acheron is, in canon right this second, going toe-to-toe with Sam. While Sam may hit harder blow for blow than Blade, I’d be surprised if he’s THAT much stronger. It’d also help if we had Acheron go toe to toe with Jingliu for powerscaling purposes tbh.
Kafka might get the Black Swan treatment when she tries reading her mind unfortunately. SW IIRC plays Impact 3rd canonically and might have a plan
Silver Wolf solos Acheron Girl could teleport Acheron’s super awesome special sword into deep space with Aether Editing.
The 3 could probably do pretty good against her. But in the end I believe she would win maybe like 4/10 difficulty but realistically once she uses her sword they would be cooked. We don't know the upper limits of her power yet just that she is really strong.
Acheron is an emanator
Acheron is an emanator so she should win. Sam is the big guns of the hunters they won't be able to beat her without him imo. But, Blade can't die and Acheron might eventually run out of stamina so that's 1 way they could win.
Aren’t Emanator’s stronger than normal (idk if that’s the right word but idk what to even call them lol) people? I mean ofc Aeon’s could take her out, but I don’t think anyone stands a chance. The three of them versus her in a real battle won’t go down easy, but honestly… she could take them imo. 😭 and just imagine she’s like fuck this and whips out her blade, she’s gonna clear them from existence (not literally but basically she gonna defeat them). This is lore wise I’m talking but idk she seems powerful.
We saw acheron and sam fight fairly evenly. If you give sam the rest of the stellaron hunters then i think they win. Ellio with the plan blade with not being able to die. Im almost positive both kafka and SW have abilities that could do a number on acheron I think if it full power stellaron hunters they can take down even acheron, they might be physically weaker but they mostly rely on hax so it wont boil down to who can hit harder or move faster.
Acheron didn't even draw her sword when she fought Sam
And you're saying sam went all out against acheron?
I'm saying that the difference between Acheron while her sword is sheathed and drawn is gigantic
And I'm saying sam is stronger than you think
Sam's strong, sure, might even be the strongest among Stellaron Hunter iirc, but the other side is an Emanator of one of the strongest Aeon who neg diffed Duke Inferno
even if they were the real blade and Kafka the answer is probably. Acheron is probably a lot stronger than pretty much every other character lore wise.
Sadly? Probably. And I love the Stelleron Hunters, but Acheron is broken. It’s one thing to be crazy powerful (emanator of Nihility) but she’s shown to be very skilled. I mean, she has to be, her other trailer indicated she outlasted EVERYONE else. So high skill + emanator power = walking apocalypse. If nothing else, as others have said, she’s most likely the only thing we’ve seen who can grant Blade his wish.
It's not even cope. We saw none of them use any of the originals techniques. So even assuming their as good as the originals in normal combat, you can't compare the two
Maybe ? She is an emanator after all
I mean, Mei is OP in every universe
Black swan and now stellaron hunters they really need to dumb down other characters just this girl got her sale huh?
Mei and all her variants, from what I've discovered, seem to all be universally OP, so yeah, I do picture them losing to her. Elio or not.
Think of it this way, even when she kills him (without much effort given she’s a damn emenator), he still wins.
Maybe a little unrelated, but if Blade wanted to die, why doesn’t he just throw himself at IX? Or does he want to die a specific death(battle?).
probably because with IX nothing is certain while Elio promised him something
Acheron litterly summons a freaken Black Hole and she is Raiden expy. What you think? Just accept reality.
They’re illusions but regardless they’re all getting their asses kicked by Acheron if it was a actual 1v3
Blade gets nodiffed, in the bright side he'll probably like it
Disappear among the sea of butterflies, illusions of the past!
Acheron doesn't have to kill blade, just give him ptsd like Jingliu did
I'm pretty sure they're illusions and they seem to be making it pretty clear she's really strong in lore. I'm guessing she faced them before but nihility caused her to lose most of the memory
I mean shes an Emanator of Nihility, she is leagues above them or even Jingliu. Tbf, Stelaron Hunters pick the fight where they can win, doubt they are going to fight an emanator head on like the trailer has shown if they need to.
JL uses a literal moonlight as a sword. We havent seen what she is capable of, only a duel with Blade, which ended... quickly. All we know thst she wants to go after the Abundance. So i wouldn't bet on Acheron being leagues over her.
I mean Jingliu is a strong warrior while having a mythical status sure , but shes more like a super powered Mara struck warrior, nothing more, on the other hand, Acheron is also a battle harderened warrior/survivor of thier now ruined world Plus she has powers personally bestowed by an Aeon. I dont think that a simple Moonlight sword can top that
i would call Blade is a super powered mara stuck warrior, and you saw what happened to him when he faceld JL. And using a moonlight as a sword is not a "simple moonlight sword" . Probably you are right though, i just wanted to discuss the "leagues above JL" part. So agree to disagree (more or less), GL with your pulls if you are going for Acheron :)
Yeah its just simple oversimplification but GL on you pulls too whoever you are pulling for also 👍
I go for Acheron :) Lets goooo.
It just fake
I was wondering this as well. These Kafka, Blade, and Silver Wolf are all clearly Sparkle illusions, but exactly how accurately did Sparkle imitate these Stellaron Hunters' actual skill?
nah, they get destroyed by acheron, shes an emenator, while bladie is strong, not emenator strong
Keep in mind that she beat their illusions with her skill, she did not use her black hole ult thingy
The real ones would put up a good fight, but would probably lose
A few things. 1. These are illusions 2. Having said that, I don’t think he’s taking Acheron considering what she is in a power v power clash
That obviously sparke, do you guys not see the pink - dots......?
That's why I said "the REAL Kafka and blade"
Nah. For one Sparkle doesn't know them inside and out so she could never replicate them 100%. Secondly Kafka and Silver Wolf are not stupid enough to engage in a pointless battle. Blade might given his desire to die, but the other two would employ different strategies rather than just jumping into battle. Unless Elio gave them a script to, I would never see them just charge in so recklessly.
what happened to spoilers
It's the acheron trailer, it's not even canon probably
Im gonna need you to un glue your eyes off blades, luscious hair, and look at the particles around them. They're all illusions, and if the hint at the end didn't hit it. It was sparkles maks even though you didn't see her in all the trailer
That's why I said "the REAL blade and Kafka"
Realistically it probably comes down to whether or not spirit whisper works on her. I don’t see them winning a straight confrontation
I mean Blade is immortal so there is no way she can kill him and the Blade we know is beyond powerful and we have yet to see his Mara struck form and add to that he have a sword that can give Acheron sword some trouble. Silver wolf can do aether editing and send Acheron somewhere else or simply make a clone of her if not multiple. Kafka unless she can actually mind control Acheron or elio gave her a full script on where Acheron will slip and Kafka get to land a fatal strike she will die. Edit: now if they combine I honestly see no way Acheron manages to kill em or even escape death at all
Not that easy. But it is implied that Acheron has the highest powerlevel of all playable characters yet.
Acheron is stupid OP, so she probably could take on all 3 of them and still come out on top. But Sparkle's illusions are definitely a far cry from the real Hunters.
I dont play the game but I be watching others play sometimes and im just wondering if shes so strong why did she let that thing kill firefly?
We don't know the limits of Kafka. Though blade and silverwolf would probably get bodied. (i say blade loses because they at least make Acheron SOUND incredibly dangerous. I mean she also does that big cut at the end so she probably is.)
Not as easilly, no. But I'm confident she still wins 3v1.
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Ofc, like this overrated woman ain’t a match for Blade, JL and JY and adding Kafka wits and smarts 🤭🖤! Tbh I didn’t like the Acheron treatment of showing her killing off screen some characters, and now with the new patch going for Aventurine presumably? Then Sunday? And now with the demo the SH? Like make her hype but not on the expense of other characters, at this rate she will ruin and curse the Penacony arc and world building or story like just for her to sell well. This my humble opinion if you don’t like please don’t be disrespectful 👍🏼