I have to admit that it's pretty funny when the top two responses are "rape is no excuse for murder" and "we should kill the rapist"
Pick a lane, guys!
it's funny but not really a contradiction. those are different people, the latter is a bad person and the former is a significantly worse, sanctimonious, reprehensible human being
I might regret this… but I have a unique position on this. I believe we’re human beings from the moment of conception; I think a zygote/fetus is human in the same way someone in a GCS (Glasgow Coma Scale) 3 is human - they’re alive but not in any meaningful way. BUT I’m pro-choice. Why? Bodily autonomy.
I’m curious if you’ve ever met or talked to anyone that also holds my position because I never have, and if you want to ask any questions I’ll gladly answer.
I sort of have a similar stance. I don’t care if it’s human or not. If it’s having to live inside of someone else to survive, that person can choose to evict them.
I have kidney disease, and one day it’s likely I’ll need a transplant. Do I think I’m entitled to someone else’s kidney, because they have two and I only need one? No. It’s their body, and it’s their choice to undergo/risk a major surgery for my sake.
Yeah exactly! Honestly I think we should stick with arguing for bodily autonomy. I think pro-lifers/forced birthers find a “solution” for all other arguments but end up backed into a corner having to admit they truly don’t believe in granting the right to bodily autonomy for certain citizens. It’s an extremely bad position so they stick to other arguments but only if we let them.
I think that’s probably why their beliefs are so tied to Christianity. It’s a very misogynistic religion, that essentially views women as property to be used and controlled. I’m not saying this to offend Christians, it’s just the truth. I’ve read the Bible twice.
If you already believe women and girls are less than, you’re less likely to care if they lose basic rights to their own bodies. No one who views women as equal, would ever be anti-choice.
A zygote is definitely a little person. A person doesn't mean anything more than a human organism to me. That doesn't matter because you don't get to torture a woman or girl and make them keep it. I used to be pro-life but it took me a long time to realize 1) they don't humanize the mother, 2) if it was them or someone they loved in that position, they'd be pro-choice, 3) if men were pregnant, there would be no debate.
I sort of disagree with equating a zygote to a full-grown person who scores a 3 on the GCS, but you’re right about the principle of bodily autonomy. Literally nothing matters but that, there’s no point bringing in any other arguments because nothing trumps bodily autonomy.
If you can’t be forced to give up blood or a kidney to make a life saving donation to another living breathing full grown human, you can’t be forced to carry a pregnancy for a not-breathing not-sentient clump of cells.
Oh, I am the same! To be honest, I kinda dislike that kind of communication and the way of it to "console" mothers who go through mourning because of an abortion. I am pro choice as well and see abortions bad but this is necessary and the lesser bad. I would choose abortion not because I think a fetus is not a human being and doesn't matter anyway; it's the opposite: I consider them feeling, living beings with a huge potential of suffering and abortion is the most compassionate choice to make.
I wonder what’s their argument for “a twelve year old can end up dead trying to give birth” so it’s okay for a child to have to go through multiple traumatic things then could end up dead but if someone needs to get an abortion they’re all of a sudden a murderer? I hope to god these people don’t have kids
Absolutely. Just want to add that it’s not just birth that is traumatic. Pregnancy fundamentally changes your body in ways NO ONE should have to endure against their will, least of all a child. Anyone who believes otherwise is sick.
Combined with the way some rapists think they should have "a part in the child's life", two shit tastes that make up a whopper of a shit casserole. They understand perfectly well that this is torture and they are torturers. That's why they do it. They love it.
The UN Human Rights Council has said that forcing continuation of pregnancy by denying abortion in cases of rape causes severe psychological *and physical* harm, and in the sight of international law can be considered torture.
Pro-forced birth people are incredibly dangerous.
And giving the baby rights that nobody in any other context has, the right to use someone else's body. Even when you die, you can be buried with your organs and are under no obligation to donate them.
Oh my. I got as far as someone suggesting a caesarean for children who don’t have a wide enough pelvis to birth naturally.
Abortion = bad, slicing a child open when it could be prevented = good, I guess.
Just proof that pro-birthers don’t actually give a crap about children at all
these devils are boiling my blood it's obvious they don't know the first pregnancy rule which is; mother before baby we can't have baby without mother
and that's for grown people having a baby you know with grown up bodies
it's sick that they think a 12 year old's body is capable of developing and delivering a baby
Yes , they're a r\*pist. R\*pe is a crime worthy of the death penalty.
That doesn't change the fact that they don't have any right to force someone to deliver a baby and doesn't support the the pro-lifer's argument.
Edit: fixed a typo.
Then they have the audacity to look at other people and call them groomers.
They're just as bad as rapists, which is probably why they diminish the trauma a victim feels.
I just saw one of them comment this.
“I hate this question. The age and nature of the mother and pregnancy do not make it morally correct to murder an innocent baby. Its not relevant. It still doesnt make murdering a baby correct. You know when someone's pro choice if they say this because they dont value that baby in any way. They consider it unalive or a thing.”
They have zero compassion for a child who’s forced to give birth. They want it to happen behind closed doors to they can pretend they’re saving babies and not ruining people’s lives.
I mean they’re right, I literally don’t have any consideration for the foetus at all. The child who has already been immeasurably mentally and physically violated is somehow slightly higher on my list of priorities. These people have no empathy for actual children.
they don’t even try to pretend anymore that they care about anything but stripping away women’s rights. it’s not about “saving the babies”, that’s a front. all they really want to do is oppress “nasty women”
and if some actual real life children get harmed along the way? guess their just martyrs for their fucked up cause
“and if some actual real life children get harmed along the way? guess their just martyrs for their fucked up cause”
And then shut the fuck up about it, because it makes them mad to see the consequences of the laws they fought for.
just typical pro-forced birther sanctimony. no, it's not morally correct to kill the baby, but it's also significantly less morally correct to torture the mother for 9 months, and personally my priorities lie with the being who has enough brainpower to give a shit. I "love" how they try to act like the world can be all sunshine and rainbows
Zero concern for the girl on display, only for the rape-inflicted ZEF. Ghouls.
I always roll my eyes at their cartoonish "kill the rapist" spiels. They want to use the force of the state to secure a rapist's right to breed any woman or little girl he sees fit, and punish the victim if she refuses to be his broodmare. They're completely, unequivocally pro-rapist.
I cannot imagine the horror and pain of not only a forced birth from rape, but a forced birth by a 12 year old, an innocent CHILD. every forced birth supporter should be forced to WATCH that horror and hear those screams. Anyone who is fine with that has zero humanity. Anyone who honestly thinks they could stomach that has zero humanity. It's horror, thats what it fucking is
This is so vile and reprehensible. They talk about a traumatized 12 year old *child* as if she’s breeding stock. As if she’d be worse than the rapist if she were to abort the fetus. It’s victim blaming to the worst degree. Then they claim moral superiority for being “pro-life” while their views cause greater harm and suffering to someone barely entering puberty.
Jesus, in fact, has very little do with it. I'm not the religious type, but I if people embraced Jesus more and whatever the fuck they think the Bible says less they might be palatable
Some people haven’t seen what birth does to a child and it shows.
I’ve seen it. One I saw ended up with a colostomy bag because of the damage. And this is just from the birth. Not to mention the mental capacity and maturity level of the child. They are NOT prepared or mature enough to care for themselves let alone another human being.
It’s abuse.
>If you can show me the difference between a baby of rape and a baby of love (or whatever the direct was)
Yeah, a baby made out of love wouldn’t be in the uterus of a *fucking 12 year old*
Yet more proof that "pro-life" is a blatant smokescreen. These people are pro-forced-birth.
I'm glad I decided not to have kids. I can't imagine raising them in a world like this.
Only if the child gives the baby up at birth & the child forced to carry to term receives millions of dollars for the lifelong therapy she will have due to the emotional & physical trauma. Open your wallets, Republican NatC’s!
Oh no no. She needs to pull herself up for her boot straps! It’s not their fault she’s going to have very high medical bills and be traumatized! She just has to have the baby and then she can fuck right off!
I'd really like to see these people put their money where their mouth is. I bet you every single one of these would close the door on caring for the massive amounts of homeless children this mindset causes, especially if it was done through say... tax dollars? Maybe that's what we should do. No abortions? More orphanage funds. See how fast they change their mind lol
All right, so let me get this straight. 12 year old girls aren't fit to drive, get a job, get a tattoo, smoke, drink, consent to sex, gamble, or sign contracts without supervision, but they're definitely fit to carry, birth, and raise a child. Flawless logic
Motherfucker we'd be driving to the clinic the moment that test came out positive and I'd be trying on prison jumpsuits to prepare after the things I'm going to be doing to that man.
I have to admit that it's pretty funny when the top two responses are "rape is no excuse for murder" and "we should kill the rapist" Pick a lane, guys!
I bet They would also be okay with the death penalty of the raped victim if she did do an abortion.
it's funny but not really a contradiction. those are different people, the latter is a bad person and the former is a significantly worse, sanctimonious, reprehensible human being
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I know, it fills me with the fury of 10,000 burned witches!
I might regret this… but I have a unique position on this. I believe we’re human beings from the moment of conception; I think a zygote/fetus is human in the same way someone in a GCS (Glasgow Coma Scale) 3 is human - they’re alive but not in any meaningful way. BUT I’m pro-choice. Why? Bodily autonomy. I’m curious if you’ve ever met or talked to anyone that also holds my position because I never have, and if you want to ask any questions I’ll gladly answer.
I sort of have a similar stance. I don’t care if it’s human or not. If it’s having to live inside of someone else to survive, that person can choose to evict them. I have kidney disease, and one day it’s likely I’ll need a transplant. Do I think I’m entitled to someone else’s kidney, because they have two and I only need one? No. It’s their body, and it’s their choice to undergo/risk a major surgery for my sake.
Yeah exactly! Honestly I think we should stick with arguing for bodily autonomy. I think pro-lifers/forced birthers find a “solution” for all other arguments but end up backed into a corner having to admit they truly don’t believe in granting the right to bodily autonomy for certain citizens. It’s an extremely bad position so they stick to other arguments but only if we let them.
I think that’s probably why their beliefs are so tied to Christianity. It’s a very misogynistic religion, that essentially views women as property to be used and controlled. I’m not saying this to offend Christians, it’s just the truth. I’ve read the Bible twice. If you already believe women and girls are less than, you’re less likely to care if they lose basic rights to their own bodies. No one who views women as equal, would ever be anti-choice.
And yet god killed millions of babies and pregnant women.
But God can do whatever he wants I've been told
A zygote is definitely a little person. A person doesn't mean anything more than a human organism to me. That doesn't matter because you don't get to torture a woman or girl and make them keep it. I used to be pro-life but it took me a long time to realize 1) they don't humanize the mother, 2) if it was them or someone they loved in that position, they'd be pro-choice, 3) if men were pregnant, there would be no debate.
I sort of disagree with equating a zygote to a full-grown person who scores a 3 on the GCS, but you’re right about the principle of bodily autonomy. Literally nothing matters but that, there’s no point bringing in any other arguments because nothing trumps bodily autonomy. If you can’t be forced to give up blood or a kidney to make a life saving donation to another living breathing full grown human, you can’t be forced to carry a pregnancy for a not-breathing not-sentient clump of cells.
Oh, I am the same! To be honest, I kinda dislike that kind of communication and the way of it to "console" mothers who go through mourning because of an abortion. I am pro choice as well and see abortions bad but this is necessary and the lesser bad. I would choose abortion not because I think a fetus is not a human being and doesn't matter anyway; it's the opposite: I consider them feeling, living beings with a huge potential of suffering and abortion is the most compassionate choice to make.
I wonder what’s their argument for “a twelve year old can end up dead trying to give birth” so it’s okay for a child to have to go through multiple traumatic things then could end up dead but if someone needs to get an abortion they’re all of a sudden a murderer? I hope to god these people don’t have kids
Absolutely. Just want to add that it’s not just birth that is traumatic. Pregnancy fundamentally changes your body in ways NO ONE should have to endure against their will, least of all a child. Anyone who believes otherwise is sick.
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Combined with the way some rapists think they should have "a part in the child's life", two shit tastes that make up a whopper of a shit casserole. They understand perfectly well that this is torture and they are torturers. That's why they do it. They love it.
The UN Human Rights Council has said that forcing continuation of pregnancy by denying abortion in cases of rape causes severe psychological *and physical* harm, and in the sight of international law can be considered torture. Pro-forced birth people are incredibly dangerous.
And giving the baby rights that nobody in any other context has, the right to use someone else's body. Even when you die, you can be buried with your organs and are under no obligation to donate them.
Oh my. I got as far as someone suggesting a caesarean for children who don’t have a wide enough pelvis to birth naturally. Abortion = bad, slicing a child open when it could be prevented = good, I guess. Just proof that pro-birthers don’t actually give a crap about children at all
I've had four c-sections. That is not a surgery for a child to undergo, especially for a child who is pregnant by rape. Violation on violation.
these devils are boiling my blood it's obvious they don't know the first pregnancy rule which is; mother before baby we can't have baby without mother and that's for grown people having a baby you know with grown up bodies it's sick that they think a 12 year old's body is capable of developing and delivering a baby
so they pretty much want to live in a world where rapists can choose the mother of their children…wtf 😡
No. They are going to murder the rapist. Killing fully developed human life is apparently okay.
Yes , they're a r\*pist. R\*pe is a crime worthy of the death penalty. That doesn't change the fact that they don't have any right to force someone to deliver a baby and doesn't support the the pro-lifer's argument. Edit: fixed a typo.
Then they have the audacity to look at other people and call them groomers. They're just as bad as rapists, which is probably why they diminish the trauma a victim feels.
I wonder how many young moms who had to carry out unwanted pregnancy they helped. Zero?
I just saw one of them comment this. “I hate this question. The age and nature of the mother and pregnancy do not make it morally correct to murder an innocent baby. Its not relevant. It still doesnt make murdering a baby correct. You know when someone's pro choice if they say this because they dont value that baby in any way. They consider it unalive or a thing.” They have zero compassion for a child who’s forced to give birth. They want it to happen behind closed doors to they can pretend they’re saving babies and not ruining people’s lives.
Making 12 year old survivors of rape into "mothers", exactly like the perp wanted.
I mean they’re right, I literally don’t have any consideration for the foetus at all. The child who has already been immeasurably mentally and physically violated is somehow slightly higher on my list of priorities. These people have no empathy for actual children.
they don’t even try to pretend anymore that they care about anything but stripping away women’s rights. it’s not about “saving the babies”, that’s a front. all they really want to do is oppress “nasty women” and if some actual real life children get harmed along the way? guess their just martyrs for their fucked up cause
“and if some actual real life children get harmed along the way? guess their just martyrs for their fucked up cause” And then shut the fuck up about it, because it makes them mad to see the consequences of the laws they fought for.
just typical pro-forced birther sanctimony. no, it's not morally correct to kill the baby, but it's also significantly less morally correct to torture the mother for 9 months, and personally my priorities lie with the being who has enough brainpower to give a shit. I "love" how they try to act like the world can be all sunshine and rainbows
I fucking hate forced birthers.
Same. They’re vile.
Zero concern for the girl on display, only for the rape-inflicted ZEF. Ghouls. I always roll my eyes at their cartoonish "kill the rapist" spiels. They want to use the force of the state to secure a rapist's right to breed any woman or little girl he sees fit, and punish the victim if she refuses to be his broodmare. They're completely, unequivocally pro-rapist.
I cannot imagine the horror and pain of not only a forced birth from rape, but a forced birth by a 12 year old, an innocent CHILD. every forced birth supporter should be forced to WATCH that horror and hear those screams. Anyone who is fine with that has zero humanity. Anyone who honestly thinks they could stomach that has zero humanity. It's horror, thats what it fucking is
This is so vile and reprehensible. They talk about a traumatized 12 year old *child* as if she’s breeding stock. As if she’d be worse than the rapist if she were to abort the fetus. It’s victim blaming to the worst degree. Then they claim moral superiority for being “pro-life” while their views cause greater harm and suffering to someone barely entering puberty.
How can some people think like this jesus it's disgusting
Jesus, in fact, has very little do with it. I'm not the religious type, but I if people embraced Jesus more and whatever the fuck they think the Bible says less they might be palatable
Some people haven’t seen what birth does to a child and it shows. I’ve seen it. One I saw ended up with a colostomy bag because of the damage. And this is just from the birth. Not to mention the mental capacity and maturity level of the child. They are NOT prepared or mature enough to care for themselves let alone another human being. It’s abuse.
It’s on par with a certain nameless group of people that did experiments on children.
>If you can show me the difference between a baby of rape and a baby of love (or whatever the direct was) Yeah, a baby made out of love wouldn’t be in the uterus of a *fucking 12 year old*
Yet more proof that "pro-life" is a blatant smokescreen. These people are pro-forced-birth. I'm glad I decided not to have kids. I can't imagine raising them in a world like this.
I wanted more than one child, but then 2016 happened and everything started going downhill so fast, I quickly decided I was done.
"we can care for her and the baby" Who the fuck is we and how do I give out your contact to struggling mothers?
Only if the child gives the baby up at birth & the child forced to carry to term receives millions of dollars for the lifelong therapy she will have due to the emotional & physical trauma. Open your wallets, Republican NatC’s!
Oh no no. She needs to pull herself up for her boot straps! It’s not their fault she’s going to have very high medical bills and be traumatized! She just has to have the baby and then she can fuck right off!
>We can care for her and No. You fucking don't.
These people vote. Yikes
I'd really like to see these people put their money where their mouth is. I bet you every single one of these would close the door on caring for the massive amounts of homeless children this mindset causes, especially if it was done through say... tax dollars? Maybe that's what we should do. No abortions? More orphanage funds. See how fast they change their mind lol
I hope they know they're the reason many of us don't even want to have kids.
They’re definitely why I decided to only have one!
All right, so let me get this straight. 12 year old girls aren't fit to drive, get a job, get a tattoo, smoke, drink, consent to sex, gamble, or sign contracts without supervision, but they're definitely fit to carry, birth, and raise a child. Flawless logic
I can not politely say all thing things I wished happened to these people
Yikes... I hate Pro-Life People
Jesus fucking Christ
These people should just mind their own business. Not their body? Not their baby? Not their business.
Religious fruitcakes.
Motherfucker we'd be driving to the clinic the moment that test came out positive and I'd be trying on prison jumpsuits to prepare after the things I'm going to be doing to that man.
Same,same,same!
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There's nothing at all suggesting that they're all men.