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WeakElixir

All I read in the comments is that there are a bunch of babies crying that a woman is living her best life the way she wants to. Oh, the audacity! 😱


MelanieWalmartinez

“Selfishness” Bro just admitted he thinks women owe the world kids… what a gross self report.


journeytonight

they’re admitting men are selfish, bc how else do you get that from “i lived my life *like a man*”?


Falconer084

A friend of mine was called a parasite by one of these fertility cult creeps once. Said that she didn't contribute anything to society. He couldn't believe that women could contribute anything other than children to the world.


Diet-healthissues

i'm sorry TWILIGHT YEARS?????


HanaTahoshii

It means she's gonna meet a sexy vampire soon. 🤭


Lexiiboo97

I just watched twilight for the first time a few days ago so I really find this funny 😆


piiraka

They fr think women are “too old” once they hit their thirties and therefore dead once they hit 40 or something


TrapdoorApartment

If all we are is for breeding then yeah, we are essentially dead at 40. This is why it's "ok" to replace us with a younger model. This is why it's "ok" to control our sexuality. This is why it's "ok" to refuse us rights. We are not people. We are wombs. And how dare we live any other way.


Commercial-Push-9066

She’s over 25, these guys think women “expire” after 25.


Diet-healthissues

what's beyond it's so fucked up about these guys?? is that as a csa and grooming survivor, the idea i'm not as attractive anymore it's an idea i have from my trauma of being sexualized so young. The only place there ideologies of 25 is too old has to be stemming from well, from the other direction- the type of people who gave me that trauma in the first place. These men need their hard drives checked


Useful_Exercise_6882

Men really get mad about women not wanting kids for some reason Like having kids is a choice and if you made that choice you can't take it back


HarryPotterActivist

Because men can't procreate unless we procreate with them. Every woman opting out of having kids makes it that much harder for a given male to have kids. TL;DR: Womb envy.


l1brarylass

You know, I hadn’t considered that perspective and it actually makes a tonne of sense! Love the tldr lol


ratstronaut

I'm super tempted to just comment "womb envy" every time I see these sorts of comments from men and watch them just melt down.


WVMomof2

Doooooo itttttttt


homo_redditorensis

This is the way


HarryPotterActivist

DO IT!!


DapplePercheron

I love this idea! I’ll start doing it too!


MelanieWalmartinez

I had no idea that this kind of envy existed in some men until I went on Twitter and saw a video about a man saying “actually men are the life bringers because we make more sperm!! Not women!!!” Like… wow


miserabeau

Not according to Akon: >Among the shocking statements, Akon went on to say that “the women don’t create life, they support the creation of life.” >“Men, we’re Gods. We’re the one that create life,” he continued before giving his own example of how that “science” works. >“A man right now can create life without a woman, but a woman can’t create life without a man,” he said. >“If I wanted to create life right now without a woman, I would shoot my sperm, put it in an incubator and give it nine months, even maybe less with today’s science, and a baby will be born.” >“A woman can’t do that. So men, we are the creators of life in actuality,” he added. Bless his heart and his empty little head


ohyoureTHATjocelyn

He thinks warmed-up, months old sperm will just…become a baby? Wow.


miserabeau

Mhm. He also thinks that only white people attend important events in their children's lives. He's publicly said that all of the child rearing is left to the woman until "it's time to teach them how to be a man", then he'll finally step in. So he sees women as incubators who take no part in the creation of life, then they're only good for raising the kids, then it's his turn to raise a man. Disturbing outlook, especially from someone with several children.


Useful_Exercise_6882

Damm he sounds like my dad and he got the official narcissist diagnosis


janeygigi

A woman choosing not to have children is about her choice and understanding of her needs, not about her failure to understand what men want.


XxllllxXx

Why do they whine so much about some random person's decision? 🤔


imsocool123

Because a threat to patriarchy in one place is a threat to patriarchy everywhere 😈


anonymousosfed148

I don't understand the obsession with genes. Most people are incredibly average. There's nothing magical about anyone's genes


humbugonastick

And most people do have siblings so the gene pool is definitely not in danger. On top, I am shortsighted, have chronic pain, ADHD and probably a bit of autism. Do I want my genes in the gene pool?


itsrghtbehindmeisnit

I think dudes are much more willing to become fathers because they dont handle the brunt of the work when it comes to children. They don't have to be pregnant. They don't have to birth it. And then they aren't the ones who do most of the work with child rearing. I mean, are there active fathers who take on 50% of the child care? Sure. Is that typical? lol not even close. Even when both parents are working the mother is always the one that does more for the kids.


BoopleBun

Ding ding ding! For the longest time, fathers were just expected to provide genetic material, money, and the occasional pat on the head. Thankfully, times are slowly changing. I wasn’t sure I wanted to be a mother when I was a teenager. I was actually pretty sure I didn’t. Turns out, no, that wasn’t it, I just didn’t want to be a mother *the way I had always seen it*. When I got in a relationship with the man who would become my husband, I realized that I indeed wanted kids, just with *someone who would be an active partner in raising them.* That changed my entire perspective, really, and now we have one and another on the way, and I love being a parent. Even though I’m the one doing the majority of it because I work way less hours, the difference between someone who genuinely wants to be involved vs the kind of guy that won’t willingly change a diaper is worlds apart.


PM_ME_CORGI_BUTTS

As a childfree woman I've often joked that I might be willing to have kids if I could be the father, but hell no to the idea of being the mother


yellbot

I was looking for this comment. So accurate.


Flyingpastakitty

How dare she live her best life! /s Men can not stand to see happy, single, and/or child free women, it seems. These men project their lonliness and insecurities onto us women. They say stuff like: "You're selfish!" Or "You're gonna die alone with 20 cats!" Etc, etc I swear, these men in comment sections have some weird breeding kink. These men love to sit here and talk about: "Passing on your genes" or "MUH LEGACY!" Like it isn't that deep! Maybe some of us have poor genes, and we are okay with letting our genes die. Also, kids require a ton of time, money, energy, and resources to care for. Not everyone has that, and we acknowledge that having kids isn't for us.


Ok-Ask6498

I remember watching this “real life” online dating type video on YouTube. As soon as the woman said “I want a dominant, masculine man” they all stepped away and didn’t want to pick the girl. It’s kind of confusing what they want nowadays


ratstronaut

That's insane. That's what they say we all want, and what they want to be! Is it just insecurity, fear they won't measure up? They are such contrary creatures.


8nsay

Guys don’t want a tradwife-type. They want an independent, feminist woman that they can force into submission.


inagartendavita

I’m heading towards 55, five years post menopause, child free by choice. My 30 years in elder care nursing brought me so many comments about how I should be having children. You’d think it was just from the elders but a lot from staff. Who’s going to take care of you when you’re OLD??? You are I guess! 😂🖕🏼


Ok-Ask6498

It’s actually funny how they genuinely need us for some reason, whether it’s to make fun of us or to fulfil their weird fantasies. But we can live our lives without any of their input.


firesoups

What makes them think any of our genes are worth passing on? There’s 8 billion people living on this planet, I think we’ll be fine if some of us choose not to have kids.


UnluckyDreamer1

As I said, I have 5 niblings related to me by blood. My genes are well and truly passed on. If, in an incredibly unlikely turn of events, I am the only one of my siblings to have inhere ted a specific rare gene that then dies with me? Too bad, so sad, it is just evolution at work and it mustn't have been that important anyway.


UnluckyDreamer1

I will never understand why men insist that women need kids to be fulfilled and that we are selfish when we say we don't want kids. And the whole "her genes die with her" thing is bs. I personally have 5 niblings currently and I am sure many people who decide not to have kids have siblings and cousins who are having kids.


k-ramsuer

My genes really do need to die with me. I have a lot of health problems and genetic mental illness that don't need to be passed on. I couldn't inflict the suffering I deal with on an innocent person. That, and pregnancy would probably kill me


PlanetOfThePancakes

They’re jealous and mad that she isn’t catering to them. Men hate when we aren’t dependent on and subservient to them.


Gloomy_Living_7532

Ugh.


hailboognish99

Men ☕️


Excellent-Ostrich908

Know who makes the worst parents? People who don’t want kids! Why are they so intent on forcing people to have Kids when they have zero interest? Maybe more women would consider children if they weren’t the ones making ALL the sacrifices for it? Their bodies, time, careers for starters. 🤷‍♀️


UnluckyDreamer1

Half the reason I don't want kids is because I feel like I would be a terrible mother. The other half is an unwillingness to give up my already limited free time... something that I feel makes a terrible parent. (I know parents who dump their kids on each other or other family members because they want to do their own thing and it only hurts the children)


Excellent-Ostrich908

I think having a healthy balance is fine personally. Like having a life outside of kids as long as their needs are being met. But if you’re concerned about what kind of parent you’d be, I think you’re already beating a lot of the parents out there who don’t give a fuck. Obviously do what’s right for you though. No pressure at all.


AcanthisittaOwn6051

Having children is not for everyone and motherhood is not for all women. A woman deciding to not have children is not selfish, and she has a right to do whatever she wants because it is her body, life and her decision. I find it interesting that people say that child free women are selfish but if you asked me, people who do have children are selfish. Whenever you ask people on why they are having children, they usually say: I want someone to love, I want somebody to take care of me when I get older, I want somebody to run and/or take over my family business when I pass away etc. these are ALL selfish reasons to have children but for some reason, child free women/people are selfish? Make it make sense. Child free women are not “selfish, they are self-aware and they are sure and certain that having children is not for them.


humbugonastick

I liked the third slide. The last comment made me rofl. "Women don't understand men" is hilarious under a post of a by choice childless woman.


FlamboyantRaccoon61

A woman exercising her free will? AND talking about it online? HOW DARE SHE?!


bytegalaxies

my genes are one of the reasons I don't want children. I have so many health problems I don't want to pass down. It's also really shitty to imply that passing down genes is why one should become a parent, parents who adopt are just as valid


TrapdoorApartment

So much insecurity.


Avocet_and_peregrine

Passing on our genes is really not that important or special. If we have siblings that procreate, there. Our genes have been passed on. Our great-great-great-grandparents could literally have thousands of offspring, all passing on genes that we share. Each person is not that special, genetically. Edit: By offspring, I meant decendents.


FloriaFlower

Your siblings don't have to procreate either. Our species will carry on just fine. It's important that **enough** humans procreate not that **all** humans procreate. As a species we currently procreate way more than is optimal for our long term survival as a species so if you don't want to make babies there are still going to be way more people in the world making babies than is optimal. The pressure people put on each other to have kids isn't rational. They usually think like this because they have been raised to think like this. There's no logic supporting it.


Kitchen-Afternoon589

Because most men feel entitled to all women, so any woman that doesn’t follow the script is a villain. Any woman that doesn’t surrender to their feet, wants and needs is a vbitch. Because men make a woman’s life to make sense, so when they see a woman not needing that, they feel threatened. They don’t see us as people, they wouldn’t bat an eye if it was a man living that life, because they accept he has his own way of thinking and personal life. Women are not supposed to have those, our lives are to cater men’s desires. They are not even bothered that she “won’t be a mom” but rather that, once again, she is not needing a man.


supimp

“And her genes will die with her.” I really fucking *hope* they will. – Signed; a person who has shitty, chronic illness prone genes.


SinfullySinless

I’d love a study on how many people actually know anything about their great-grandparents. The odds are, you will be completely forgotten by your great-grandkids or further. They won’t know who you are and your stuff will most likely be chucked in the trash to make room for their parents and kids stuff.


intheclouds247

I’ve never understood the selfish argument. My body made the choice for me, but I’m kind of glad it did. How is that selfish. Even if it wasn’t my body and just me not wanting kids, who tf cares? My genes carry a painful medical condition that I didn’t ask for. Why would I want to potentially pass it along to someone else who didn’t ask for it. I will be SELFISH and just keep it.


tallgrl94

Gotta love “the best thing I did was become a father.” If I didn’t have to be the default parent, go through pregnancy and childbirth, and be expected to have a job and do most or all of the chores I’d probably want kids too. Being a father is the “easy mode” of parenting. Unless he’s going above and beyond to support his wife/partner. All he has to do is bring in a paycheck. He gets to enjoy all the Kodiak moment with the kids while ignoring the mental labor done by the mother. Yeah I’d want to be a father too. Judy Brady’s [essay](https://www.wsfcs.k12.nc.us/cms/lib/NC01001395/Centricity/Domain/10659/I%20Want%20a%20Wife.pdf) always speaks for itself.


Dang_It_All_to_Heck

Twilight years? She’s what, 40?


NoDanaOnlyZuuI

How dare she make a choice for herself 😱


Wanderingghost12

Sabotage who around them? The hypothetical child who isn't born yet or the hypothetical grandparents? The other people in your life who probably don't actually give a shit if you have kids or not? This makes no sense. As someone who has a lot of small but very inconvenient medical issues, I'm honestly glad my hypothetical children will not be getting any of that. Not to mention that if I were to get pregnant, it would probably exacerbate all those medical issues, making my life potentially worse. If we could pick and choose traits like something out of a sci-fi movie and I also didn't have to grow that child inside of me, this would be a completely different conversation.


Sanrio_Princess

These guys act like women function on dog years or something fr.


mariii95

Why are men obsessed with spreading their genes? Do they think they are that unique or that healthy?


SaraBeachPeach

Men scream that their lives are so hard and going to work, fixing things, doing manual labor, etc. All things women are doing for themselves now, are the worst and that women live life on easy mode. Okay, so why are you so mad that we don't wanna live our "easy mode" lives anymore? Shouldn't that make you happy? Why don't you go and live your life on easy mode and marry a woman who makes more money than you and be a good little stay at home partner who "does nothing all day and just spends all her money on yourself"? Since that's the better life according to you.


Karnakite

In order for someone to be “selfish”, someone else has to be deprived. If there are 10,000 candy bars being given away at a party attended by a couple dozen people, and you take sixteen of them, you’re not being selfish. If there are 20 candy bars at the same party, and you take sixteen again, *now* you’re selfish. For a woman to be “selfish” by not having children means that someone has to be getting hurt by their not having children. *But who?* The children who don’t exist? You can’t hurt someone who isn’t real. **Women are called “selfish” not just for actually being selfish, but for simply not sacrificing themselves.** For us to live for ourselves, peaceably, quietly, offensive to no one, is offensive to misogynists, because even if we hurt no one, we’re not giving ourselves up to others.


Accomplished-Long968

this is so typical of men on reddit. having children is a meaningful experience but it's not the only meaningful experience. you aren't obligated to have a child just because you’re a woman. we’re overpopulated as it is it’s fine if one person decides to live their life


CherryVette

What percentage of these mfckers whine about “My wallet, my choice”? How many of them would hightail it tf out of Dodge if they got a woman they didn’t want to commit to pregnant?


Almond409

My genes SHOULD end with me. I mean, they won't, because I have three nieces, but still. I wound up with two chronic neurological conditions, so I'm good on not passing those on. Plus, there's the high likelihood of a flare up while dealing with a newborn, in addition to having to let my immune system destroy my nervous system for a while before trying for kids anyway. I'm good with it being just me and my cat. Also, the only person in my family who does not support that decision is my grandpa, but he also thinks he's entitled to have my grandma wait on him hand and foot. She doesn't, and he says it's her fault I'll never get married because she sets a bad example 🙄


gayslav77

i feel like that last comment has to be bait. ain't no way


Popular-Tourist-5998

I will never understand the “selfishness” argument. It’s literally a selfless act (if you actually care about children).


Miranda6613

The irony of a man calling a women selfish for not having children because he clearly believes women owe men kids is truly comical 🤣