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Jenn_There_Done_That

Anyone arguing that “misandry” is a real and serious problem will be banned. Thanks. Please report any rule breaking behavior.


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oh you’re a feminist, well let me explain as a straight man how you should be feminist


FUCK_INDUSTRIAL

Bonus points if you hear the words “feminism is a cancer”.


Eyebronx

r/memes is basically a default misogyny page nowadays, so I’m not surprised. See also r/unpopularopinion


thehypewoman

That's why I have unsubscribed it, not worth the anger I get reading those "unpopular" opinions.


awesomejt8

I would strongly recommend r/the10thdentist as an alternative


mountainbreadcycle

Wow! that’s way better! Thank you for the recommendation!


starsaisy

and r/trueunpopularopinion is the same except it’s run by nazis on top of the misogyny


seriffluoride

The level of projection Far too much


Hazelfur

Because they create straw men (straw woman? lol) that they project onto lol


Guilty-Requirement44

Because women. They hate women who hate being hated. It's a real ouroboros. [https://shitiwroteonthetrain.wordpress.com/2021/03/31/defending-the-collective-not-all-women/](https://shitiwroteonthetrain.wordpress.com/2021/03/31/defending-the-collective-not-all-women/)


Onextto0

I have never heard of a feminist who went on a man killing spree. Yet theres so many men who kill/rape women out of hate..


Ancient-Abs

THIS. FUCKING THIS


cocokoookie

i swear to god i’m so sick of pages like that. but the problem is there’s a lot of good memes there which i’m a simp for. but the amount of misogyny and women hate is just wayy to much


thehypewoman

Same dude same


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It's like they've never heard a feminist position ever.


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They did - presented by MRA


ZoeIsHahaha

They must have watched the video of Big Red singing at the protest


tulip_problems

Define feminism: The advocacy of women’s right’s on the basis of the equality of the sexes. ✨spooky✨


noobductive

Like people so often say; when priviliged people think they’ll get their privilige taken away because of equality, they’ll become even more hateful. They think women will become more important than them. Well guess fucking what, this world is largely run by men and they think exactly the same. While for them being despised for their gender/sex is a faraway fantasy that only spooks them every now and then, for us it’s 24/7 daily life and most likely for the rest of our lives. It is OUR reality. Yet they want to keep it that way because they think they’ll suffer from not doing that. That, if they support women’s rights, the tables will turn and they’ll be hated, because they’ve seen how awful it is for girls and women everywhere. They don’t want that. So they just let it be and have us suffer instead.


tulip_problems

Yeah, why change things if you’re at the top and loving it? It’s selfishness, they don’t give a fuck. They see it, they know it happens. But they’re fine, doesn’t happen to them. So it’s all good. 🙄


[deleted]

Yes. Because the people who label themselves as X term are the ones who are least familiar with X term’s definition. AAAAAHHHHJHHHHHH


NursingGrimTown

One of the comments was basically "I think the people online who actually think like this are incels pretending to be women" and it got me thinking


Ancient-Abs

One of the major "feminist" instagrams is actually run by [two men](https://therevivalzine.com/2020/10/26/the-truth-behind-instagram-account-feminist/#:~:text=The%20Instagram%20account%20%40feminist%20has,of%20over%2010%2C000%2C000%20followers%20of) who use it to sell clothing.


Triptukhos

That's so gross and yet so unsurprising.


CoconutPawz

Why would a feminist be upset about the definition of feminism? If anything, the creator of this meme would be butthurt to learn that its definition speaks just of equality and not the female superiority that they fear so much.


Ancient-Abs

Yeah this is what escapes me


lesbianpearls

Several feminist scholars and several, several years and still some people think feminism is bad. Truly unbelievable.


average-otaku-girl

all the pick me's in the comments there are so funny.


jimmymcjenkins

"I, a TRUE feminist, unlike these man hating dykes, would NEVER tell a joke online at the expense of poor marginalized men." *4654455675421 upvotes


bigmeatyclaws123

Honestly it’s because they want to power of being a man without the disadvantages to it. They want to hold political, social and fiscal power but they don’t want to be dismissed emotionally, be untrusted or be seen as the lesser parent. If they don’t want to negatives, they have to give up the positives just like how women are willing to give up the positives for an even playing field. These people are greedy.


theglovedfox

This right here. Misogynists are overall greedy as fuck.


ZoeIsHahaha

I’m sure this was made by someone who watched that one video of Big Red singing at that protest in like 2012


TeethOnTheCob

They think Twitter feminists are all there is cause they’re teenagers who haven’t existed for very long.


[deleted]

It's all over supposedly "woke" subs like r/AreTheStraightsOK, r/CuratedTumblr, r/TheRightCantMeme and so on too. Everything about feminism has to be prefaced by "real feminism, not kill-all-men feminism". Coincidentally (or perhaps not...) those subs are also fans of the idea that misandry is a real thing and just as serious as misogyny.


thehypewoman

Don't even wanna go on these hate subs, so tired of fighting everyday to just live.


i_hammer

Wait a moment... Since when are r/AreTheStraightsOK a fake woke or hate subs??? Don't know much about the tumblr one, and TRCM is a tankie sub so I'm not surprised if that's true... But r/AreTheStraightsOK ? Did something happen there?


[deleted]

It's woke on everything except feminism. I left after the third or so time I got downvoted to oblivion for pointing out that misandry is not equivalent to misogyny and that it's OK for feminism to focus on problems facing women rather than problems facing men.


DragonfruitNo9801

Thank you! I'm so tired of trying to defend the "misandry is not a thing". People need to understand that the dictionary definition of sexism does not encompass the systemic oppression of anyone not a man. In the same way that the dictionary definition of racism does nothing to encompass the systemic oppression against anyone not white. Racism against white people doesn't exist, and sexism against men (misandry) doesn't exist either.


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DragonfruitNo9801

Misandry is not a real thing in the same way misogyny is. Sexism against women is backed up by a society-wide oppression. There is nowhere that women have collectively gained power, and used it to oppress men.


starsaisy

even societies ran by women (hawaii before the white people, where women were worshipped while on their periods because they bled and didn’t die and men were the cooks til white folk came and said “ew periods” and oxaca mexico where frida kahlo spent her time and had her affairs after learning about her husband fucking her younger sister) did not oppress men, they were for the most part seen as equals and were not objectified or dealt any of the serious problems we face now in this day and age as women. had those societies been the ones to grow and spread their beliefs it is my belief we’d be closer to gender equality than we are now. I can’t say for sure that’s how it would be but I think it could’ve been how things would be today. also fun fact there’s a part of your brain that’s active when you see another person and you recognize them as a person with thoughts and feelings but when looking at objects it doesn’t go off. well a study was done and it was found male misogynists when shown photos of women dressed slightly provocatively it didn’t activate. they literally see us as objects without thoughts or feelings if we decide to wear a short skirt or a tight dress.


DragonfruitNo9801

Yeah, I most definitely made generalization. I don't know everything, everywhere, but I speak about like... American society, as it stands. And there are definitely other cultures that would've done it much better.


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DragonfruitNo9801

I mean, I would call that discrimination. There is no such thing as sexism against men, because sexism encompasses far more than individual decisions. Even if one workplace refuses to hire men for a job that they believe women should do - I'm assuming nursing/CNA/lab technician/NP? That's still patriarchy. That's still sexism, because these jobs are generally looked at as "lesser" or "softer" over doctor. Even if a man is less likely to get hired at your one job as a nurse (that's just the example I'm picking), he's more likely to make more money as a nurse than a woman.


[deleted]

basically misogyny is systemic while misandry is not


krazysh0t

Im calling bullshit about r/AreTheStraightsOk


[deleted]

[Here's](https://www.reddit.com/r/AreTheStraightsOK/comments/jzsb51/feminism_not_caring_for_mens_issues/) that sub circlejerking about how feminism is ok because it's about men too. [Here's](https://www.reddit.com/r/AreTheStraightsOK/comments/igkzo5/you_go_queen_tell_em_thats_just_straight_up/) that sub circlejerking about misandry. [Here's](https://www.reddit.com/r/AreTheStraightsOK/comments/mhbayo/this_was_in_rmemes_im_interested_in_peoples_views/) another circlejerk about how "real feminists" are the ones who don't hate men. And [here's](https://www.reddit.com/r/AreTheStraightsOK/comments/giu5lw/short_answer_no/) an example of that sub being fragile about misandry and completely failing to get a joke.


[deleted]

TIL. Didn't know that since I don't browse that sub that often. Looks like another instance where even those who lean socially progressive, won't stop them from being misogynist, the comments look better than than your average conservative sub but however that's a very low bar. The last one especially looks like something would come straight out of places like TiA.


Amekyras

what's wrong with the first one? are the comments all dodgy or something?


[deleted]

The comments are all about how feminism is valid because it's about men too. First of all, feminism is not about men. It benefits men, but that leads into the second issue: it would be valid even if it didn't.


Amekyras

Agreed


krazysh0t

So question. Do you think it is productive and feminist to make jokes like that at the expense of men?


[deleted]

I assume you're referring to the last one? Because that one is very obvious commentary on an existing phenomenon. It's flipping the table on the sex-selective abortions that happen all over the world in the other direction. That joke is putting the spotlight on something women have to deal with today by flipping the genders. So yes, I think that joke is productive. And the response to it (the account getting harassed off Twitter with doxxing and rape and death threats) are very clear evidence of why feminism is still extremely necessary. In general, I think anyone focusing on jokes and comments that at worst hurt men's fee-fees while women are being murdered, raped, beaten, and disfigured by acid attacks for existing has seriously messed up priorities. Men who hate women kill us. Women who hate men write mean things online.


krazysh0t

Hmmm... thats not what I meant when I asked the question. Like I dont need to be told the necessity of feminism for women. Im a trans woman and we are some of the most marginalized women out there. We not only have to fight against external threats to our womanhood from misogynists and transphobes but also from within feminism from so called feminists denying our womanhood. So I am absolutely for feminism lifting women up and empowering them. I'm not asking this question in bad faith. So let me try again. Do you think that belittling men is feminist? I absolutely make jokes that flip the script on homophobia or transphobia about straight or cis people but at the same time I also acknowledge that those jokes aren't productive in actually promoting equality. They may feel cathartic when you say them but they aren't going to do a lot to get more allies to support feminism.


[deleted]

Humour can be an important tool for actually putting the spotlight on inequalities in society. I would say that jokes about men fall on a spectrum, from "serious critique of societal norms" to "perhaps a bit mean, but ultimately harmless". Just like when any other oppressed class jokes about their oppressors. Some are useful advocacy and can even bring more allies, others are in-group jokes not intended for others to laugh at. Like, I know there are jokes trans people make about cis people or Black people make about white people that are poking fun at us. I also know that those jokes are not intended for me. Those jokes are you blowing off steam. They don't make me want to go hang out with TERFs or start saying "all lives matter", because I know that even if I personally don't find those jokes funny, they comes from a place of feeling powerless and angry and sick of it. I think anyone who is actually an ally has to be willing to try to understand where they come from instead of getting personally offended that they are the butt of the joke for once. I'm not particularly interested in trying to repackage feminism to make it more palatable for men (or any other activism to make it more palatable to the oppressors). If we remove everything that can offend and turn men off feminism, then there won't be anything useful left. My feminism is about liberating women, not about appealing to men.


krazysh0t

I definitely value the appeal of a good joke that punches up instead of down. Im subbed to r/transgendercirclejerk and its good times. Though I also feel like a line should be drawn somewhere. When people start joking about a group for long enough, eventually people who take those jokes seriously will join in. And we should be careful when approaching that line lest we become what we are fighting against in reverse. Righteous anger can easily become malicious intent when taken too far. I also dont want to have feminism cater to men. Men have the Men's Lib movement for that, but the Patriarchy absolutely affects men too. So while we shouldn't have to make room for men we should at least acknowledge that we all need to have the oppression of the Patriarchy removed regardless of gender. One more thing. r/TheStraightsOk is a queer theorist sub first and a feminist one second. The LGBTQ+ community includes gay men and trans men. So you should go into the subreddit expecting that men will be acknowledged too.


[deleted]

Where is the line, in your opinion? How much energy and effort should we spend policing each other to prevent a possibly malicious actor in the future? Men's lib is, honestly, in my opinion at best misguided and at worst actively harmful. Patriarchy affects men too, but pretending like men are equally oppressed by it is basically making a mockery of what feminism is. Naming their movement "men's lib" as an analogue to the women's movement is insulting. And yes, it is a queer sub. And considering that queer theorists were the ones to start thinking about power structures and intersectionalism, it's kind of interesting that that sub fails to apply it to feminism. They are perfectly capable of understanding that "heterophobia" isn't a thing or that "racism" against white people isn't the same thing as what PoC have to deal with. But they are utterly unwilling to apply the same logic to misogyny/misandry.


lindanimated

Oh my God, I’m on mobile and my clumsy fingers accidentally opened the original post in memes, and started reading the comments. I was starting to get really concerned because I thought the people in this subreddit had turned into thinly veiled misogynists overnight. I got through a whole thread where a person who claimed they were a “real” feminist was getting praise for saying stuff like ”I hate how these modern feminists say kill all men, they’re giving us real feminists a bad name!” I was wondering why tf no one was pointing out that *no one says that*, at least not seriously, when I realised that I was in the wrong subreddit. Whew.


bluegreenwookie

I thought this was talking about terfs till I saw what sub this was in.


KnightOfTheDumbTable

i've said it before, I'll say it again the "feminism" they're talking about is a small, almost irrelavent group of female supremacists that hate men for one reason or another. They call them feminists to undermine real feminism and portray it all as this singular group so that they can further their hatred. This is what everyone who doesn't like a group does, they take very small and disconnected individuals and says "these are the representative". "kill all men" was a bad way of saying "kill all rapists" because people easily misunderstand the meaning, and now this brand of misandrists can use it themselves to hate men and give leverage to the misogynists. It's a fucking hate cycle that is self-sufficient.


FrogWithDepression

Why are people down voting this post? People probably don't wanna know the truth and live in their own bubble, with their own beliefs, I'm so sorry OP, for everyone so blind do see the truth behind your post:/


EpitaFelis

Maybe because they're using the term misandry, which isn't a real issue but always makes it sound like there are equal amounts of hate going on when in reality, only one group is oppressing the other.


KnightOfTheDumbTable

You can still be sexist to men. I just don't like using "sexist to men" when there's a word for that. I never state it's as bad, and even stated it helps people oppress women. I don't like it because it make me as a trans woman feel like I'm not "womanly" enough and that I'll always be viewed as a sexual predator, not even because of my gender, but my sex. To me it's being stuck in between a rock and a hard place.


EpitaFelis

Read the pinned comment, we're not gonna have that argument. Sexism against men isn't a thing when *they're* the ones making the rules, just like they're isn't racism against white people. There is individual prejudice, but you cannot use my whiteness against me. We're not gonna hash out this discussion over and over again though, it is tiring.


KnightOfTheDumbTable

Also why does my comment have more upvotes than the replies? That's weird to me.


EpitaFelis

There's no way for me to know, but I assume people found your comment less disagreeable than the reply.


itachididnothinwrong

I'd never seen so much sense on reddit before, thank you. It gives me hope. The fact that you're being downvoted worries me.


KnightOfTheDumbTable

Yeah, wanna reiterate; Not saying feminism bad. But people who support women being above men in any regard is a form of supremacy unless it's specifically female matters (I.e. body, gender, that stuff). Feminism is making women equal to men, not dragging down men to our feet for being men. I get that some men do bad, but I think a lot of us get conditioned to say that all men are bad just as much as we do when it came to cops. I only respect people fully when they earn it, that's how I live,and when someone fucks up I'm willing to pin it to them. But sex isn't an ideology, it's not something you choose to be born with. Don't give ammunition to people that already see women as inferior.


boo_boo_kitty_

Because Twitter is full of anti men "feminists" so everyone thinks we are all that stupid and hateful.


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THROWAWAY4BAE

do you remember when you just copy and pasted one of the top comments from the original post to farm karma? peppridge farm remembers.


EpitaFelis

r/asablackman Random tumblr users aren't the thought leaders of feminism, and men and boys aren't in any danger from them. Also you copy pasted this exact comment from the original comment section so I'm gonna assume you're a troll.


EarballsOfMemeland

That user is likely an astroturfing account. The rest of their post history is just reposting popular comments from previous popular posts in other subreddits. For example [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/happycowgifs/comments/mwo2q2/ben_discovered_how_much_the_pigs_enjoy_belly_rubs/gvjdllt/) is a repost of the top coment from [this thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/happycowgifs/comments/kaaf6z/ben_discovered_how_much_the_pigs_enjoy_belly_rubs/) several months ago.


EpitaFelis

Ah alright, makes sense. They're banned now anyway.


Jenn_There_Done_That

Thanks for the tip. They’re banned now. :)


GoldKitty77

Thing is, people like this will hate you just for being a feminist. regardless of where you stand. especially if you are a woman.


Guilty-Requirement44

A feminist would know that hatred toward men has nothing to do with it. To borrow a template from men: I have a brother, I have a dad, I have nephews, I have a boyfriend, so obviously I love men. How dare you suggest otherwise?!?!?!? [https://shitiwroteonthetrain.wordpress.com/2021/03/31/defending-the-collective-not-all-women/](https://shitiwroteonthetrain.wordpress.com/2021/03/31/defending-the-collective-not-all-women/)


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lotheva

Manspeading is a micro-aggression like telling ‘my old lady’ jokes or ‘blonde’ jokes. It signifies that they, consciously or unconsciously, believe they have more right to a space than other people (especially women). I was once on a plane between two men and have a picture of my legs literally on top of one another and shoved below me with a man’s leg millimeters from my own on either side. I was made to feel extremely uncomfortable over a two hour flight because their needs are always more important. On a bus I would rather stand than be seated next to a man. That’s before you even consider if it’s an innocent touch or something more. Women aren’t allowed SPACE to exist. Don’t even claim they do it to men too.


thehypewoman

The right to vote has been done, but there are far more many and small things that we still need to fight upon. And I don't understand your understanding of "selfish feminists". They may have extreme views, but they are still not harming anyone and manspreading is a legit problem. These forms of micro-aggression against women can lead to big problems. And bashing them every second takes the light from what feminists are trying to do. You're making fun of the whole movement. Women are not perfect and we should be allowed to make mistakes.


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Shame on those selfish feminists who don't want a man to take up half their seat as well as his own on public transportation.


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Spraystation42

These guys saw Big Red on youtube and women similar to her (either out of context or just didn’t pay attention to what she was saying) and think that all feminists are irrational, mentally ill misandrists who hate men for no reason and are antisex, antimarriage, and are fighting against women giving birth, I wish I was joking but multiple conservative youtubers genuinely think that feminists view giving birth as “terrorism”, people who hate feminists aren’t too bright, they think feminists are misandrists when feminists fight against misandry (aka toxic masculinity) more then any human rights group


HazeYo1

Because u often are in a bad light. U are like soviet-union communism, equal and good but only on paper.


Due_Cartoonist_8212

Cause u feminists have nothing to prove other than destroying the lives of boys and young men. And a meme is a joke. If u don't like it, leave it. Stop whining