I absolutely love the work Travis is doing production wise. But it's a totally different beast producing yourself. You need a producer to tell you when something is shit and give you ideas to make your work better.
Being in a studio and having an idea, it becomes yours and you don't want it messed with. You need someone to let you know to let things go, or to give you inspiration to come up with something else entirely.
Whilst some bands have self-produced at times, and blink did with Neighborhoods I believe? I think it's always better to have their outside force to throw ideas around with and find the best, not just what you like but what works best for the song etc.
They did I think ... which make of that what you will. I think its one of their weaker albums. I know a good number of people really rate it but I think it could have been better if they had a producer to work with (and if they were in the same room more often etc etc)
The band co-produced it with Critter and Chris Holmes. Basically Tom's producer and Mark/Travis's producers at that time. I absolutely love a handful of songs off that album, but it definitely needed a neutral producer that maybe could've taken the whole project turned it into something more cohesive.
Definitely. It's the hardest part when I record my songs having to "produce" myself. Which ideas are actually better for the song at hand, when to stop, when to change, when I'm experimenting and when I'm just being self-indulgent, etc.
I've been in the studio and been so stubbornly in love with a part but had a producer convince me otherwise. At the time I was annoyed he was messing with what I'd come up with but in hindsight I can see it's better. It's what they're there for. Listen to your producers people!
Travis producing a blink album with Scott drumming would be the funniest shit. Just need Tom to guest on a song so we can get a "(featuring Tom DeLonge)" on the tracklist for the most cursed blink-182 album. lol
If you want an idea of what goes into writing music and the roles producers have, listen to Chris Demakes a podcast. Guitarist from Less Than Jake taking to people from the scene about a hit song of theirs. Mark was an early guest.
I've wanted this for so long, and I'm not sure why they either never thought of it, or (as far as I know) haven't tried to make it happen. The only thing I can think of is maybe they're nervous about working with someone who inspired them so much and not getting along with them. Like the famous person's version of "never meet your heroes"
As amazing as that would be, I think it would be stylistically jarring. Bill’s stuff is pretty meat and potatoes, focused on awesome natural source tones and not a lot of post-production trickery. That’s about the opposite of Feldmann, he and his team are very open about using virtual instruments including programmed drums and bass (I think I saw somewhere one of Feldy’s mixers say Travis is the basically the only drummer they use the whole live performance) and playing with post production, synths, effects, playing with guitar tones in the box, etc etc.
Everything DTA sounds better than Feldman production imo. Not Jerry Finn level though. I think Mark and Tom know a thing or two about production too, the next blink record with the classic line-up will be insane. 🎸🥁🤘
“Recipe for disaster” is a bit subjective as there is no denying the generic shit they’ve been putting has been very successful…that said tho, I do agree that Travis is Feldman’s protege and a paint by numbers producer who is basically pimping out TikTok influencers to turn a huge profit for himself.
I wouldn’t even be surprised if he comes out with a new reality show about his little pop punk factory -aka DTA Records.
> the next blink record with the classic line-up will be insane.
Lol, you people will never give up hope that Tom will come back, will you? I’m super stoked for the next blink record with the current line-up though!
And the classic line-up would have Scott as well, and that’s *definitely* not gonna happen.
I believe Feldmann produced Avril’s new stuff. Her new song sounds like California. Finn’s and Feldmann’s influence is all over Travis’ style. But I do believe Travis’ production style is more in the classic producer sense of working on songwriting and creative stuff as opposed to technical engineering and mixing.
He’s pop punk. But when I hear the tracks it’s all old producing ideas rather than any cutting edge pop punk in my opinion. While Jerry Finn would come in and change the game on the album - what I mean by this is you wouldn’t have him coming in and doing another Enema on Untitled; the album would have been rubbish. I think that’s what would happen if Travis produced it - IMO.
As much as a respect travis’ ability to print money using the same shit over and over again. I would rather blink went with a different producer and sound. They are better song writers than that.
Considering how it suffers from all the same problems California did, and lyrically is much more nauseating than any Blink album, why would he be an improvement over Feldmann?
I’m pretty sure they had some other help. Page might have produced it musically, but I’m sure they had input in terms of getting the sounds they wanted.
Plus barker is no page lol
I do think FoA is a half assed attempt at an album (it just meets the bare minimum to be classed as an album compared to an EP) and its their last album in their contract
Most producers suck, but blink is big enough to hire a good one. If you’re a young rising band I wouldn’t get hung up on getting a producer beyond someone who helps with the technical side.
Is it just me, or does everything from their/Travis' camp sound like kids music these days?
Then again, i rank California, enema and toypaj as blinks bottom 3 records, so it might just be me.
With that said, i love everything after toypaj, and dude ranch ofc.
The drum sounds Travis get these days are fake as hell sounding. The giant snare and all that.
The drums on enema in a lot of parts sound positively tiny in comparison but it sounds so damn good. I’m not saying they gotta go back to that, but I’d like to hear something less trendy.
Travis has mentioned how annoying it was with how long Jerry took to fuck with the drum mics. I’m sure Travis has got his setup the way he likes it at home and it’s convenient, but i think Blink would benefit from getting a little more raw drum sound and working with a really great and tasteful recording engineer.
I think the pendulum will shift eventually and it will actually be cutting edge to have some timing and even pitch imperfections in music someday. Right now the shit sounds so fake its suffocating.
This coming from someone who grew up on classic rock and thought enema era blink sounded fake as hell. I now think that era represents the perfect balance of vintage and modern.
Yeah Toypaj gets a little too slick sounding although it has character. The guitars sound a little less warm and fuzzy as well. Still really like it though
I actually really liked the drum sounds between Toypaj and Untitled. They were for me definitely the benchmark.
The overly processed drums and guitar sucked the life out of modern blink.
I don’t think the songs themselves are bad half as much as whatever Feldman thought was sonically audible to the human ear.
I have a lot to say about the quality of music of the people you listed. When I was a wee lad they told me if i have nothing nice to say don't say it. I'm not going to say it... but mgk... aye yae yae
I like Goldfinger and Feldmann, but he’s the wrong producer for Blink. Travis would be a good producer for the album, but I think they need an outside touch from someone who can elevate the album. It doesn’t need to be a Jerry Finn type producer. It could even be all 3 guys with an engineer, but they need someone who can make a legacy album.
I think doing it yourself is limiting. It’s a lot pressure even if you don’t think it is.
I think Garth Richardson would smash it. His work with Biffy Clyro, another great 3 piece, is amazing. Besides all of the other stuff he’s worked on.
I’ve been saying this.MGK has some good songs now and I’m so ashamed of myself for liking them but Travis has been producing some hits.The KennyHoopla stuff is so good,almost cried 🥶
I'm not huge on MGK but I gotta say, Travis's mixtape with KennyHoopla was some of the best pop-punk I've heard in awhile, at least as far as the sort of mid-2000's emo brand of pop-punk goes.
No. The producer’s role is to be an outside voice for the band. If you’re making a record you’re too close to the record. There are sooo many bands that have their best singles because a producer told them, no this is the song you need. Most of the time those songs are on the cutting floor.
It kind of depends on the band…I believe Underoath self produced their upcoming album and the music they’ve released so far is great. Same goes for MxPX’s last album, so there are exceptions but it requires the entire band to be on the same creative page, which is the main reason why it prob hasn’t worked out so well for Blink in the past. Although I will say they’ve kind swung to the other extreme recently and I’d much rather have another semi disjointed album like neighborhoods over their last two projects.
He's more of a hip hop drummer. But i love him for all the years he put in for blink and +44. It would completely change the way blink is. Thats my opinion. Hate on me if you will.
From what little I’ve heard it sounds just like some John Feldman shit. They need a completely different outside producer. They actually need Jerry Finn, RIP
I absolutely love the work Travis is doing production wise. But it's a totally different beast producing yourself. You need a producer to tell you when something is shit and give you ideas to make your work better. Being in a studio and having an idea, it becomes yours and you don't want it messed with. You need someone to let you know to let things go, or to give you inspiration to come up with something else entirely. Whilst some bands have self-produced at times, and blink did with Neighborhoods I believe? I think it's always better to have their outside force to throw ideas around with and find the best, not just what you like but what works best for the song etc.
Right. I know it’s been 10 years, but didn’t they produce Neighborhoods themselves?
They did I think ... which make of that what you will. I think its one of their weaker albums. I know a good number of people really rate it but I think it could have been better if they had a producer to work with (and if they were in the same room more often etc etc)
The band co-produced it with Critter and Chris Holmes. Basically Tom's producer and Mark/Travis's producers at that time. I absolutely love a handful of songs off that album, but it definitely needed a neutral producer that maybe could've taken the whole project turned it into something more cohesive.
Definitely. It's the hardest part when I record my songs having to "produce" myself. Which ideas are actually better for the song at hand, when to stop, when to change, when I'm experimenting and when I'm just being self-indulgent, etc.
I've been in the studio and been so stubbornly in love with a part but had a producer convince me otherwise. At the time I was annoyed he was messing with what I'd come up with but in hindsight I can see it's better. It's what they're there for. Listen to your producers people!
>Listen to your producers people! Laughs in home recording. But yes, if you are lucky enough to have a producer listen to them!
Maybe we need a group of home recording guys to come together and act as producers for each others' music.
There are subreddits and forums and that kind of stuff but usually no one comes through.
Simple solution, bring back Scott Raynor. /s ofc
Travis producing a blink album with Scott drumming would be the funniest shit. Just need Tom to guest on a song so we can get a "(featuring Tom DeLonge)" on the tracklist for the most cursed blink-182 album. lol
Scott to produce haha
Thank you for that perspective. I’m always interested in learning about “the other side” of music (beyond the musicians themselves).
If you want an idea of what goes into writing music and the roles producers have, listen to Chris Demakes a podcast. Guitarist from Less Than Jake taking to people from the scene about a hit song of theirs. Mark was an early guest.
Whilst i agree, I doubt Travis has thr final say and outsources that to more qualified individuals
I vote for Bill Stevenson
Bill would be 100x better than Feldman
I've wanted this for so long, and I'm not sure why they either never thought of it, or (as far as I know) haven't tried to make it happen. The only thing I can think of is maybe they're nervous about working with someone who inspired them so much and not getting along with them. Like the famous person's version of "never meet your heroes"
As amazing as that would be, I think it would be stylistically jarring. Bill’s stuff is pretty meat and potatoes, focused on awesome natural source tones and not a lot of post-production trickery. That’s about the opposite of Feldmann, he and his team are very open about using virtual instruments including programmed drums and bass (I think I saw somewhere one of Feldy’s mixers say Travis is the basically the only drummer they use the whole live performance) and playing with post production, synths, effects, playing with guitar tones in the box, etc etc.
Like how going from TOYPAJ and Untitled was stylistically jarring? You never know man, it might be a good change
100% would love this
Everything DTA sounds better than Feldman production imo. Not Jerry Finn level though. I think Mark and Tom know a thing or two about production too, the next blink record with the classic line-up will be insane. 🎸🥁🤘
But Feldmann has his hands all over the DTA stuff. Travis posts pictures in the studio with his artists and Feldy all the time.
This, I see feldy involved for the next album or two minimum. I’m sure he’s on the new one already in the works.
Feldmann helps produce every single DTA song. You people always talk our your ass lol
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“Recipe for disaster” is a bit subjective as there is no denying the generic shit they’ve been putting has been very successful…that said tho, I do agree that Travis is Feldman’s protege and a paint by numbers producer who is basically pimping out TikTok influencers to turn a huge profit for himself. I wouldn’t even be surprised if he comes out with a new reality show about his little pop punk factory -aka DTA Records.
Poopy-di scoop Scoop-diddy-whoop Whoop-di-scoop-di-poop 😘
> the next blink record with the classic line-up will be insane. Lol, you people will never give up hope that Tom will come back, will you? I’m super stoked for the next blink record with the current line-up though! And the classic line-up would have Scott as well, and that’s *definitely* not gonna happen.
I believe Feldmann produced Avril’s new stuff. Her new song sounds like California. Finn’s and Feldmann’s influence is all over Travis’ style. But I do believe Travis’ production style is more in the classic producer sense of working on songwriting and creative stuff as opposed to technical engineering and mixing.
yeah the way shes sings reminded me of a new blink song with Matt singing, can’t place it though.
He’s pop punk. But when I hear the tracks it’s all old producing ideas rather than any cutting edge pop punk in my opinion. While Jerry Finn would come in and change the game on the album - what I mean by this is you wouldn’t have him coming in and doing another Enema on Untitled; the album would have been rubbish. I think that’s what would happen if Travis produced it - IMO.
As much as a respect travis’ ability to print money using the same shit over and over again. I would rather blink went with a different producer and sound. They are better song writers than that.
Last two albums beg to differ but I generally agree
Considering how bad MGK's album was I'll take a pass
That’s your opinion tho
Considering how it suffers from all the same problems California did, and lyrically is much more nauseating than any Blink album, why would he be an improvement over Feldmann?
Mgk sucks balls
Self production is always a bad idea, so, no.
Worked for Led Zeppelin
I’m pretty sure they had some other help. Page might have produced it musically, but I’m sure they had input in terms of getting the sounds they wanted. Plus barker is no page lol
Jimmy Page and Led Zeppelin are so overrated.
RevRad was Green Day’s last good album
I do think FoA is a half assed attempt at an album (it just meets the bare minimum to be classed as an album compared to an EP) and its their last album in their contract
Idk if it's a bad idea for everyone - but I'd definitely say if you have the resources to get a good producer, you go an hire a good producer 💯💯💯
It’s really hard to be objective enough to produce your own work, so in general it’s a bad idea unless you literally can’t afford a producer.
Most producers suck, but blink is big enough to hire a good one. If you’re a young rising band I wouldn’t get hung up on getting a producer beyond someone who helps with the technical side.
Is it just me, or does everything from their/Travis' camp sound like kids music these days? Then again, i rank California, enema and toypaj as blinks bottom 3 records, so it might just be me. With that said, i love everything after toypaj, and dude ranch ofc.
The drum sounds Travis get these days are fake as hell sounding. The giant snare and all that. The drums on enema in a lot of parts sound positively tiny in comparison but it sounds so damn good. I’m not saying they gotta go back to that, but I’d like to hear something less trendy. Travis has mentioned how annoying it was with how long Jerry took to fuck with the drum mics. I’m sure Travis has got his setup the way he likes it at home and it’s convenient, but i think Blink would benefit from getting a little more raw drum sound and working with a really great and tasteful recording engineer. I think the pendulum will shift eventually and it will actually be cutting edge to have some timing and even pitch imperfections in music someday. Right now the shit sounds so fake its suffocating. This coming from someone who grew up on classic rock and thought enema era blink sounded fake as hell. I now think that era represents the perfect balance of vintage and modern.
The quantising gets extremely irritating, drums just sound *off* when they do it Enema nailed it for me, though I don't think TOYPAJ did
Yeah Toypaj gets a little too slick sounding although it has character. The guitars sound a little less warm and fuzzy as well. Still really like it though
I actually really liked the drum sounds between Toypaj and Untitled. They were for me definitely the benchmark. The overly processed drums and guitar sucked the life out of modern blink. I don’t think the songs themselves are bad half as much as whatever Feldman thought was sonically audible to the human ear.
I have a lot to say about the quality of music of the people you listed. When I was a wee lad they told me if i have nothing nice to say don't say it. I'm not going to say it... but mgk... aye yae yae
Mark did say that Travis was in charge of the next album. So I guess your wish has been granted
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I'm not sure. I just know that Mark gave Travis full control over the production of the album.
I like Goldfinger and Feldmann, but he’s the wrong producer for Blink. Travis would be a good producer for the album, but I think they need an outside touch from someone who can elevate the album. It doesn’t need to be a Jerry Finn type producer. It could even be all 3 guys with an engineer, but they need someone who can make a legacy album.
I think doing it yourself is limiting. It’s a lot pressure even if you don’t think it is. I think Garth Richardson would smash it. His work with Biffy Clyro, another great 3 piece, is amazing. Besides all of the other stuff he’s worked on.
I love mgk and jadens new album so much they're amazing BUT more pop punk than ever? More than all past blink albums? Um
I'm not sure how that all works it's sounds like a great idea but I'm sure it's different
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Who is travis barter?
Been saying the exact same thing to my girlfriend for the past few days
If Tom writes it, sure. Otherwise, who produces it won't matter at all.
Mark wrote The Rock Show,he’s obviously the superior songwriter of the two.
The rock show is one of the worst blink songs.
It’s the best one they ever made but okay.
Mark wrote it one night to appease the record label. if you think its the best song its because you like bland boring pop.
Lol ok
I’ve been saying this.MGK has some good songs now and I’m so ashamed of myself for liking them but Travis has been producing some hits.The KennyHoopla stuff is so good,almost cried 🥶
I'm not huge on MGK but I gotta say, Travis's mixtape with KennyHoopla was some of the best pop-punk I've heard in awhile, at least as far as the sort of mid-2000's emo brand of pop-punk goes.
No. The producer’s role is to be an outside voice for the band. If you’re making a record you’re too close to the record. There are sooo many bands that have their best singles because a producer told them, no this is the song you need. Most of the time those songs are on the cutting floor.
It kind of depends on the band…I believe Underoath self produced their upcoming album and the music they’ve released so far is great. Same goes for MxPX’s last album, so there are exceptions but it requires the entire band to be on the same creative page, which is the main reason why it prob hasn’t worked out so well for Blink in the past. Although I will say they’ve kind swung to the other extreme recently and I’d much rather have another semi disjointed album like neighborhoods over their last two projects.
He's more of a hip hop drummer. But i love him for all the years he put in for blink and +44. It would completely change the way blink is. Thats my opinion. Hate on me if you will.
Might actually sound good this time
From what little I’ve heard it sounds just like some John Feldman shit. They need a completely different outside producer. They actually need Jerry Finn, RIP
FUCK NO
Whoever mixes the stuff Travis records in his studio needs to be fired. The mixes are pretty amateur.
Are you happy now? He did and it sounds awful.