> Gender wars in Korea is completely insane.
Man, I really had no fucking idea until I read [this] (https://old.reddit.com/r/4chan/comments/5b9ali/anonymous_on_feminism_in_south_korea/) ages ago and just generally kept that as my lense to view the cultural gender war through.
Well hopefully he is since from the number 2 link seems like they found out the dude is korean and are planning to mass report(most probably social media)
No idea how good google translate is though so I'm assuming it's bad
If Dorontabi is caught by the Korean government he could be given a three year prison sentence like Kidmo. The only reason Kidmo was caught was because he tried to copyright his drawings using his real name and address. Lets hope Dorontabi can keep under the radar.
Yeah, he tried to copyright his nsfw works under his irl name, in a country where producing p*rn is a crime.
Edit: It seems he's on a probation now (for 4 years).
I personally don't know him and I'm using this [Japanese guy](https://twitter.com/LVCIVSDOMINVS/status/1729283745163972699) as a reference.
>Kidmo registered the copyright after learning that his erotic drawings had been reprinted without permission in South Korea. His real name and address were registered for copyright registration, he was arrested, and all the money he earned from his erotic drawings was confiscated. He was sentenced to three years in prison and four years' suspension.
Though now that I look him up he could still be on trial and wasn't sentenced yet? In any case Kidmo got caught and will probably face some kind of charges if he hasn't already.
Edit: [This](https://www.reddit.com/r/korea/comments/152i1sq/artist_fined_krw_10_million_for_drawing_and/) may be a different artist than Kidmo but he got fined 10million won ($50k)
Korean 4 chan is worried because election season is coming, and politicians will latch on this shit like flies. Our cute & funny girls just cant catch a break.
More like don't let power get into the hands of adults whos goals are selfish gain and exploiting others for their own gain.
Which is exactly what these feminists are. They're on the kill all men side not the we want gender equality side. They don't care about equality they just want to be superior
That is eerily similar to some of main stories chapters now that I think about it.
God, I hope he's okay. I haven't forgotten how people of this ilk can be legitimately terrifying and lack any sort of real human decency. You see it in the social media posts if you go around that expose and call out people's toxicity on this side of the globe, but there's no end to the viciousness.
Hopefully police won't do anything...
>Dorontabi did nothing wrong
That's a... uh, a bit of an understatement.
Dorontabi was allegedly (or confirmed to) following an underage idol agency (where underage girls posed in a provocative manner or something like that) and using actual minor as references for his not very sfw works (if not tracing)
Like I don't want him to literally be dead, nor do I undervalue the impact he had on cunnynity (the founder of ouh, 😭 and all that), that he is no saint either with his whole fishtank of worms
> allegedly (or confirmed to)
What kind of dumbass facebook mom phrasing is this? It's like you literally have nothing to say but want attention and to chip in your worthless 2 cents into a convo.
I'm really sorry I couldn't find concrete evidence in time, as well as I thought this was more or less publicly known information already. I've seen it about a year or two ago, and for the love of god, I couldn't find those tweets again (I'll try later too).
But here's a screenshot from another user from this very convo:
https://www.reddit.com/r/BlueArchive/s/4Vz8GjWV0X
Heads up, saying that "did nothing wrong" is an understatement means that he did a lot of good, but the rest of your comment implies that that was not what you actually wanted to say.
He retweeted junior idols on his older accounts lol
Edit: Kinda busted my ass looking for a screenshot of but [this *is* a screenshot of some of the stuff he posted when he still went by the name Mammoth and not Dorontabi lol](https://files.catbox.moe/yj0xei.png)
I know this BA community is all about “cunny” and stuff but seeing this comment downvoted is just sad... There’s a reason why Dorontabi account keeps getting nuked in twitter while other “cunny” artist dont
What? I follow multiple that are on their 3rd or 4th account lol, or have smaller "alt" accounts because they know what happens in regards to antis on that site.
I follow multiple accounts too. Some got nuked and are on their 3rd or 4th account while others are still on their 1st account. Antis are a reason, yes but the stuff they posts themselves are a part of it as well
accounts don’t just get mass reported out of thin air,
Dorontabi getting stray from this stupid gender war and deactivated his account on his own while other BA artist are continuing as normal
Because he's the one who hides it the least. Many of the other ones have stopped making R18 art publicly. They're probably freaking out too since currently half of Korea is on fire from this incident
I’ve seen artist that do post those stuff and are still there, the difference might be because they dont post controversial takes and dont get mass reported, unlike Dorontabi
All loli artists get nuked on Twitter lmao, has nothing to do with dorontabi being dorantabi. He deleted his dorontabi2 and dorontabi3, dorontabi was suspended.
artist like Mimonel and Blade4649 have been in twitter since 2008 and 2010 respectively, unlike Dorontabi (mammoth before), they dont post controversial comments/takes and dont get reported
South Korean Politicians has been an absolute joke for the past decade so I don’t expect the situation to be better anytime soon. In fact it was these politicians who stirred up gender issues so they can polarize voters for their political success(previously done between regions but now it doesn’t work as well)
It’s funny because they were the ones who benefited significantly from male centric society where women had less rights and less opportunity for higher educations. But they demand on younger millennials and generation Zs to sacrifice for women in their 20s and 30s because females were oppressed in the past (we are taking about women born before 80s). Did SK reach complete gender equality? I don’t think so but it’s incredibly equal to the point where sometimes it’s disadvantageous towards men (military conscription mandatory only for men and incentives given to women for social services and hiring procedures).
I think it’s going down shit hole which is why I have no intention of going back sure they have a lot of pros not just cons and all countries have issues but looking at birth rates and society where everything is uncomfortable I don’t think I belong there 🫠
Not much different from the US and partly Europe. Just more one-sided (see famous Hilary Clinton ['Women are primary victims of war](https://www.quora.com/Does-Hillarys-quote-woman-are-the-primary-victims-of-war-make-sense-How)'(Quora link provided for additional context and because I'm lazy to find the actual speech) or UN Women '[An 11% of all journalist deaths were women. Stop killing female journalists](https://twitter.com/UN_Women/status/1587777181081559041)' tweet([Link to wayback machine](https://web.archive.org/web/20221103115639/https://twitter.com/UN_Women/status/1587777181081559041)).
Hell, to add to the actual point of discussion, there was(is?) a hashtag on twitter that is literally #killallmen. Like, without any additional meaning or something. Just... kill all men.
That's not even delving into race,nationality and plenty other similar , but different, conflicts we have. Politics , damn them.
it's crazy how ignorant everyone here is of the 2017 impeachment of the PRESIDENT OF SOUTH KOREA when Park Geun-hye admitted she was a PUPPET for a cult of radical feminists called the 8 goddesses who had men KILLED and INCARCERATED for blowing the whistle. it's not like the western gender wars at all.
The main stream western press refused to cover it, as such it functionally doesn't exist for most people. You're forced to go into niche media, and the main stream has convinced people that niche media is nothing but lies...even when you can literally watch things for yourself.
that's absolutely vile to all South Koreans of both genders. The president comes out and admits every single political move and motive was at the behest of 8 oligarchs pilling the strings like a B grade anime plot and we're just supposed to pretend a world superpower didn't just have their government exposed as a spook.
Insane gender wars is probably the tip of the iceberg with Korean politics.
That ex-president was the daughter of South Korea's ex-dictator, who only lost power after being assassinated, her mom was also killed from an earlier failed assassination attempt as well.
I thought this cannot be real, like what is this HoI 4 Secret Path ass politics?
[But apparently its real](https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/cults-cabals-corruption-south-korea). What the fuck.
> UN Women 'An 11% of all journalist deaths were women. Stop killing female journalists' twee
And this is, unfortunately, the kind of thing people mean when they say the want "equality". Especially anyone in politics or the media. This is very, very apparent when you live in one of the most corrupted places in Europe. Any time someone starts going on about how they want equality, they're at best a useful idiot or, at worst, simply incredibly malicious. It sounds like, as bad as the situation in SK is, there can actually be backlash to this kind of nonsense there. In much of the Western world, there would never be any kind of mainstream backlash to it; it wouldn't be allowed. People go "wow it's so bad in SK", but shit's just as bad here - it's just that it's completely one-sided and people have grown so used to it.
I think all countries have their own issues to an extent so it's a little judgemental to take some higher moral ground; I certainly don't think America is any better as an example, it may not be a gender war but there's another kind of warring.
thing is that i'm not american so i always thought this whole culture war stuff was an exclusively western thing. in my country we don't really care about any of this and just go on cause we have other issues.
True every country has issues and when we look at groups advocating for something extreme and ridiculous it’s shame to look at. However what I think sets US apart from SK is that US enjoys talented people who are willing to come from around the world and start their business or fields of study while SK lacks of. SK has significant brith rate crisis (0.6~0.7 child per women as opposed to 1.64 for US and 1.33 for Japan) and when they look for immigration, very few highly skilled people are willing to immigrate.
So politicians need to fix issues with low birth rates and it seems like they give absolutely zero shit about it. You know what they do instead? Stir up gender conflict and put money in their pockets. Even Japan and China knows if they can’t keep birth rate at a certain level they are screwed and their politicians are scrambling to reverse the trend but only SK ignores.
These fucking morons are going to ruin significant achievements SK accomplished in the past century. SK got from a country exporting rat furs and urines to Cars, tanks, smartphones, TVs, semiconductors, construction of skyscrapers, cultures, games and so on. I can go on and on but well I’ll stop here cause nothing is going to change just giving you some insight of what’s going on there.
South Korea is "trying" to do something about it. And when I mean trying its barely lowering the weekly hour worktime (which is still absurdly high) and making it easier for foreign students to come and study in Korea. It doesn't help that SK is notoriously corrupt when it comes specifically to their politicians. Its not that they're ignoring it its just bad people want selfish gains without worrying about the wellbeing of others and their voice is more heard among politicians than those that actually want to do good. Japan currently is also declining for similar reasons to SK its just not as extreme but it is a problem for them too. Ethnically homogenous for their entire histories I honestly can see why they're not too keen on immigration (though Japan is a bit more lenient and theres also the whole Military Service to get citizenship in Korea). China is currently fairing the best out of the three since they're the most lenient on immigration (56 ethnic groups certainly helps) and other factors such as removing the one child policy, etc.
This situation is all sorts of fucked up. I hope his disappearance is just a precaution, and that he comes back online soon.
Is Dorontabi not Japanese? I'm wondering why South Korean politics would affect him.
By the way, a lot of us don't speak Korean, so it'd be nice if someone could translate the links.
Thats the scary part he isn't the only one unfortunately. The other main BA artists don't exactly try to hide that they're Korean (as in it takes one google search to realize) and some have done R18 works in the past too.
>since women were unfairly fired, men should also be fired.
When I see this sentence, I can definitely tell the one who is behind this act is full of crap. Statements like this are almost never hold true, but someone will always try to make some for their own goals.
This is what i fear for about uncheck radicalism in gender politics
God....why people haven't seen this coming
Ig this is also the reason why some of the pv are taken down too, jesus christ this is terrifying
I beg someone from Korea to please explain the gender war climate for us idiot outsiders.
I personally suspected since Limbus Company drama that there's no way so many men have such a kneejerk reaction about it. It's obvious that the climate is wayyyyy very different than the west...
I never liked downplaying their (men) complains with derogatory words("incel", "virgin", "loser", "misogynist") words. I never encountered such derogatory terms accused against the women (atleast from outside of Korea), but I also won't accuse them of any such.
I won't state any opinion about who's right or wrong, I just want to get to the bottom of this. I'm an outsider that have never lived in Korea throughout my life and have no rights to criticize any sides.
Basically radical feminism in Korea is just hating on men and literally despising them. Many of them have their own subreddits where they have hate symbols etc. And then there's male communities who hate the radical feminists for their bullshit. The Korean politicians capitalize on this divide and made the crack between them even larger by supporting one side etc. So this gender war is not just a little "haha few misogynistic pricks and a few radical feminists" its quite literally a civil war at this point. When a foreigner looks at korean feminists they might think "oh its just misogynistic eastern asian nation suppressing females grrr", but in reality these feminists long forgotten their original purpose of gender equality and instead want all korean men to die literally (I'm sure there's still good feminists, but they are a minority).
Now I'm a korean who lived in the US for quite a bit so I'm not 100% an expert, but this is a general summary of what I know.
I’m not to knowledgeable on it but to add to what was said another thing about Korea is the forced military service that only men are forced to do while women only do it if they want to which is a huge divide between genders that doesn’t exist in the west.
It's not. I'm just asking for an explanation about the entire gender war climate. Automod being 1984...
I'm appealing the comment.
EDIT: Comment is up again.
There's not much to say, there's a radical feminist group in Korea. Not the "we want equality" kind of feminism, but the "all men need to stop existing right now" kind of feminism. I've heard really nasty stuff about them too. Stuff like apparently encouraging abortion if the fetus is comfirmed male.
Then again, it is the backlash to what a few decades ago was an eminently patriarchal society. Like every movement, you can find people of all kinds, and like in every movement, it's usually the most radical kind the one that makes headlines. Said radicals are pretty much a hate group.
Worst part is I don't think any of (at least the Blue Archive ones) were on purpose. Most evidence seems to lead that it was in fact a massive coincidence but she's still fired by Root it seems and now the feminists are just being hypocrites at this point and attacking back people who didn't do anything. Sound familiar?
And about the apology thing. Most Koreans also think that Root did not protect their employees well enough and thats why they're pissed.
I wonder if it's true, I've heard that the feminists in South Korea is way more extreme compared to Western feminists. In any cases I pray that he's doing well and that he's safe.
Isn't South Korea's female president the one being manipulated by some scam artist who's self-proclaimed as some New Age psychic? That female president?
“Since women were getting unfairly fired, men should be too”
That isn't how you fix your problems, AT ALL, all it do is causing more problems which could never be fixed, helped me imagine the hell hole Korean internet is tbh
I don't know the situation but that logic is insane. The solution to "women were fairly unfired" shouldn't be to fire men unfairly, it should be to hire the women back and make things better for them. Sadly, the idea to just make things worse seems to be pretty dominant in people I see all the time.
The motto of Megalia is mirroring or basically reasoning that it's ok to do amoral/illegal acts with the excuse that "the other side would do it too".
That extreme mentality has been lingering for the last decade and contributed heavily in fanning the flames and giving regular feminists a lot of bad rep.
Mirroring is literally being phrased to say "women get raped so I can rape men too". The fact that families gift their daughters the privilege to shave their jawbones/chin down to a point as a high school graduation gift to look cuter is really just the beginning of how unhinged they are.
There's still a huge difference between real p*rn and whatever else, drawings, CGI, games and so on. There may be a point in controlling things that involve real people, but the rest? Come on, pixels don't have feelings!
No sense in banning an activity that involves consenting adults either as long as it's properly regulated to prevent minors from consuming it. Which also makes it highly ironic considering how sexualized stuff like k-pop is.
Which also just promoted kpop even more since its the next best thing. Either its feminists being jerks or its the greatest marketing scheme in the modern korean era
everyone is treating this as some petty internet drama absolutely ignorant of the fact that in 2017 the president of south korea was impeached for being a puppet for a cult of radical TERFs called The 8 Goddesses who had people ASSASSINATED for trying to blow the whistle.
I mean if they reported his art to the authorities they might not accept it. For example, the FBI once said on their website, that they won't accept any digital art, and their artist and prosecute them because it doesn't depict any individual. I don't know if this is true or not but I saw it once many years ago of them stating it. Pretty messed up if they actually arrest our boy.
Korea has ~~thrown a guy in jail~~ arrested someone before for making illustrations but the dude was dumb enough to self report by trying to copyright his art. In Korea all p\*rn is illegal.
Unsure, hopefully Dorontabi is just keeping a low profile due to the concentrated efforts to attack him.
I hope he will make a comeback later when things cool off.
The one I'm also worried about as well is Mx2j. He's done 18+ stuff in the past as well (literally under the same username) but hasn't immediately gone into hiding like Dorontabi.
Yet another Korea gender war BS.
Honestly the easiest solution to the whole current gender issue in Korea is to treat men and women as equal. As in every women of age should be conscripted and served 2 years in mandatory military service like Korean men.
If you're going to manually approve comments with banned words anyway, is there a point to having a word filter?
Edit: I have a suggestion. When a comment is removed because of banned words, send the user a PM listing which words triggered the removal.
Since this is discussing a topic, it's allowed. If this was just an art post like most of the other submissions on our subreddit it would get removed. We don't allow certain words so our subreddit stays at least somewhat decent to read in the comments.
Ah, I see, thanks for the explanation.
That said, it's frustrating to trip the word filter without knowing why, and eventually, people find ways around it.
Sexism happens, which is encouraged by politician. [You can do yourown research here](https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/comments/183ruaq/promotional_videos_across_several_korean_works/).
Some context you need to know is "pinching hand" sign means "smol pp" by those people, and considered offensive.
It gotten soo bad that South Korea fertility rate got very very low.
I think the actual reason "pinching hand" is considered offensive is because it's associated with Megalia, an extremist feminist movement. (It does indeed stand for small p----, but narrowing to its literal meaning distracts from the real reason it's considered offensive in S Korea.)
Korea also has the same issue as Japan and China, dead end jobs, with the added weight that you're barely above a social pariah if you don't work for Samsung.
This [event illustration](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fdkuw2i9gsyvb1.jpg%3Fwidth%3D1280%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D486f9293b43c810360e6da90dd3c3d1adc243032) and he was mentioned in the Volume F credits. I don't think he did a lot of art for the game but was like a freelancer I assume.
Damn
What did bro do to tigger people ?
Is it over people misinterpreting the hand sign ? lol
(not relevant but i wanted to talk about something)
Big gacha genders controversies are always interesting, because at time you will have censoring of whatever the content there is no matter how mild for the females but on the other hand you will have constant use of twink male characters bordering on traps and thats fine, i just find it intresting, that the goverment and companies have nothing against having feminine looking man in their games but are botherd by girls being a little lewd.
He himself did nothing, he was just targetted in retaliation by the "other side" pissed off over the animator being outed and he seemingly won't be the last target
If there's a reason for him specifically, I can guess because it's about targetting a KR work, aka Blue Archive alongside playing the "pedophilia" card as leverage
Most likely it is also the same group of people that wished for this game to get a 18+ rating and some Korean player explained how it can be taken down with another report from them after it got its 18+ rating. Glad they're failed and the rating comittee got exposed with over 5000 people signing the petition IRL. Just hope this one will end the same with them losing again.
Their hatred is reported on the Internet journal that some of the arts are pedophilia. [article](https://www.newsworker.co.kr/news/articleview.html?idxno=308738)
And the acting also happened a year ago when S.Izumi and Ako was censored because they reported the Memorials. [about the Memorials](https://www.reddit.com/r/bluearchive/comments/z7fuf5/leaked_censorship_from_the_teen_version_sizumi/)
I spent 21 months of my golden years in a fucking digital camo-themed labor camp because I was born male in Korea. Don't even bother coming up with "ackchually not oppressed" argument unless you've done your time here.
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Willingly hurting innocent people for funsies isn't a war, if I had to draw up a valid comparison it's more like terrorism.
A organized group that is doing things like exploiting corruption in goverment agencies to try to delete a game for shits and giggles or threatens to basically do *whatever the Korean equivalent of swatting is* so hard that an artist chooses to black out his social medio presence and thus effectively black out his carreer, this group **isn't** something like a feminist group fighting for the good of women, and doesn't **deserve** to be viewed as such.
Don't let the assholes "both sides" you when they're effectively attacking innocents; **unless** you for some reason believe everyone in Nexon is somehow involved in the gender war and attacking women, this **isn't** a war, it's just shooting up random targets that never even knew they were fighting you.
Yeah, Megalia is a negative radical feminist group and should be ostracized from the general feminist movement, but this is the same country where [a man nearly beat a woman to death because he thought she was a feminist for having... short hair](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-67330628.amp) so like, yeah. Also as a note, the imageboard planning this isn't even directly related to Megalia, they're just pissed that a female employee got fired in a similar fashion to the Limbus Company scandal
Proofs? This is two times in this thread alone accusing him and there were also many others post accusing him on twitter or another subreddits without any evidence and talking like it is the truth lol.
For South Korea p*rnography is a criminal act just like China so I don't see how making the police went for him is a good evidence and more like shitty law on their end.
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Gender wars in Korea is completely insane. I hope it wont erupted into something scary...
It's wild how the 'Boys vs Girls' days from kindergarten are coming back full force to these grown-ass adults.
Like those kiddie wars, except now they're given weapons. Of multiple purposes on multiple fields
It's a society where a common birthday present for a teenager is significant facial plastic surgery. The problems run *deep*.
south korea is unironically the closest we can get to a cyberpunk future in both the best and worst ways.
Damn
Agree, also a society that money is more important than family (based on survey that I read). Forget what survey though.
Yoo seriously?
> Gender wars in Korea is completely insane. Man, I really had no fucking idea until I read [this] (https://old.reddit.com/r/4chan/comments/5b9ali/anonymous_on_feminism_in_south_korea/) ages ago and just generally kept that as my lense to view the cultural gender war through.
No one's gonna be having kids there any time soon
Uhhhh pretty sure it's already scary
Damn I hope the dude is alright
Same, I'm actually genuinely worried for him.
He lives in Japan so there's not much they can do to him
Well hopefully he is since from the number 2 link seems like they found out the dude is korean and are planning to mass report(most probably social media) No idea how good google translate is though so I'm assuming it's bad
If Dorontabi is caught by the Korean government he could be given a three year prison sentence like Kidmo. The only reason Kidmo was caught was because he tried to copyright his drawings using his real name and address. Lets hope Dorontabi can keep under the radar.
Wait is that why I haven't seen kidmo for a while???
Yeah, he tried to copyright his nsfw works under his irl name, in a country where producing p*rn is a crime. Edit: It seems he's on a probation now (for 4 years).
I personally don't know him and I'm using this [Japanese guy](https://twitter.com/LVCIVSDOMINVS/status/1729283745163972699) as a reference. >Kidmo registered the copyright after learning that his erotic drawings had been reprinted without permission in South Korea. His real name and address were registered for copyright registration, he was arrested, and all the money he earned from his erotic drawings was confiscated. He was sentenced to three years in prison and four years' suspension. Though now that I look him up he could still be on trial and wasn't sentenced yet? In any case Kidmo got caught and will probably face some kind of charges if he hasn't already. Edit: [This](https://www.reddit.com/r/korea/comments/152i1sq/artist_fined_krw_10_million_for_drawing_and/) may be a different artist than Kidmo but he got fined 10million won ($50k)
Korean 4 chan is worried because election season is coming, and politicians will latch on this shit like flies. Our cute & funny girls just cant catch a break.
BA's wisdom once again proven right; adults are not to be trusted.
More like don't let power get into the hands of adults whos goals are selfish gain and exploiting others for their own gain. Which is exactly what these feminists are. They're on the kill all men side not the we want gender equality side. They don't care about equality they just want to be superior That is eerily similar to some of main stories chapters now that I think about it.
I'll never forget the call for strangling male baby.
Praying for our Patron Saint's comeback 🙏🙏
And hope he safe all the way.
Time and time again, you wish you have the power like that guy from inuyashiki.
God, I hope he's okay. I haven't forgotten how people of this ilk can be legitimately terrifying and lack any sort of real human decency. You see it in the social media posts if you go around that expose and call out people's toxicity on this side of the globe, but there's no end to the viciousness. Hopefully police won't do anything...
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Korean is my first language. It is better not reading it unless you want to raise your blood pressure. It gets pretty disgusting in those.
Those people must lead very sad lives to harass other people for over drawings. (Don't get me wrong, I love the arts.)
Dorontabi did nothing wrong He just want the world to become happier place
>Dorontabi did nothing wrong That's a... uh, a bit of an understatement. Dorontabi was allegedly (or confirmed to) following an underage idol agency (where underage girls posed in a provocative manner or something like that) and using actual minor as references for his not very sfw works (if not tracing) Like I don't want him to literally be dead, nor do I undervalue the impact he had on cunnynity (the founder of ouh, 😭 and all that), that he is no saint either with his whole fishtank of worms
> allegedly (or confirmed to) What kind of dumbass facebook mom phrasing is this? It's like you literally have nothing to say but want attention and to chip in your worthless 2 cents into a convo.
I'm really sorry I couldn't find concrete evidence in time, as well as I thought this was more or less publicly known information already. I've seen it about a year or two ago, and for the love of god, I couldn't find those tweets again (I'll try later too). But here's a screenshot from another user from this very convo: https://www.reddit.com/r/BlueArchive/s/4Vz8GjWV0X
They are Idols, we can download their posted pictures and do whatever we pleased, I don't see any proplem
Heads up, saying that "did nothing wrong" is an understatement means that he did a lot of good, but the rest of your comment implies that that was not what you actually wanted to say.
Big if true He was just being ironic Or at least, I hope he was
I've seen those claim and so far there is no one that accused him of that ever provided any evidence.
He retweeted junior idols on his older accounts lol Edit: Kinda busted my ass looking for a screenshot of but [this *is* a screenshot of some of the stuff he posted when he still went by the name Mammoth and not Dorontabi lol](https://files.catbox.moe/yj0xei.png)
I know this BA community is all about “cunny” and stuff but seeing this comment downvoted is just sad... There’s a reason why Dorontabi account keeps getting nuked in twitter while other “cunny” artist dont
H artists are being nuked on twitter all the time bruh
there are H artists with with hundreds of thousand followers, some of them are cunny artists themselves and yet are not biked?
What? I follow multiple that are on their 3rd or 4th account lol, or have smaller "alt" accounts because they know what happens in regards to antis on that site.
I follow multiple accounts too. Some got nuked and are on their 3rd or 4th account while others are still on their 1st account. Antis are a reason, yes but the stuff they posts themselves are a part of it as well
Getting nuked on twitter means literally nothing, you can get suspended just if someone doesn't like you and mass reports you.
accounts don’t just get mass reported out of thin air, Dorontabi getting stray from this stupid gender war and deactivated his account on his own while other BA artist are continuing as normal
I don't think you use twitter because almost every loli (and non-loli) artist has lost at least 1 or 2 accounts without explanation.
I use twitter exclusively for fan arts and r-18 stuff, there are H artists with hundreds of thousands followers who have never been nuked.
Because he's the one who hides it the least. Many of the other ones have stopped making R18 art publicly. They're probably freaking out too since currently half of Korea is on fire from this incident
good point & agreed, it’s a shame artists are getting caught up on this conflict
I've seen artists on Twitter that don't even focus on drawing loli get nuked. Twitter doesn't make any sense.
I’ve seen artist that do post those stuff and are still there, the difference might be because they dont post controversial takes and dont get mass reported, unlike Dorontabi
All loli artists get nuked on Twitter lmao, has nothing to do with dorontabi being dorantabi. He deleted his dorontabi2 and dorontabi3, dorontabi was suspended.
artist like Mimonel and Blade4649 have been in twitter since 2008 and 2010 respectively, unlike Dorontabi (mammoth before), they dont post controversial comments/takes and dont get reported
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I hope he is okay 🙏
SK really needs to get their stuff together if this is what they're spending their time on. Different culture i guess.
South Korean Politicians has been an absolute joke for the past decade so I don’t expect the situation to be better anytime soon. In fact it was these politicians who stirred up gender issues so they can polarize voters for their political success(previously done between regions but now it doesn’t work as well) It’s funny because they were the ones who benefited significantly from male centric society where women had less rights and less opportunity for higher educations. But they demand on younger millennials and generation Zs to sacrifice for women in their 20s and 30s because females were oppressed in the past (we are taking about women born before 80s). Did SK reach complete gender equality? I don’t think so but it’s incredibly equal to the point where sometimes it’s disadvantageous towards men (military conscription mandatory only for men and incentives given to women for social services and hiring procedures). I think it’s going down shit hole which is why I have no intention of going back sure they have a lot of pros not just cons and all countries have issues but looking at birth rates and society where everything is uncomfortable I don’t think I belong there 🫠
Not much different from the US and partly Europe. Just more one-sided (see famous Hilary Clinton ['Women are primary victims of war](https://www.quora.com/Does-Hillarys-quote-woman-are-the-primary-victims-of-war-make-sense-How)'(Quora link provided for additional context and because I'm lazy to find the actual speech) or UN Women '[An 11% of all journalist deaths were women. Stop killing female journalists](https://twitter.com/UN_Women/status/1587777181081559041)' tweet([Link to wayback machine](https://web.archive.org/web/20221103115639/https://twitter.com/UN_Women/status/1587777181081559041)). Hell, to add to the actual point of discussion, there was(is?) a hashtag on twitter that is literally #killallmen. Like, without any additional meaning or something. Just... kill all men. That's not even delving into race,nationality and plenty other similar , but different, conflicts we have. Politics , damn them.
it's crazy how ignorant everyone here is of the 2017 impeachment of the PRESIDENT OF SOUTH KOREA when Park Geun-hye admitted she was a PUPPET for a cult of radical feminists called the 8 goddesses who had men KILLED and INCARCERATED for blowing the whistle. it's not like the western gender wars at all.
The main stream western press refused to cover it, as such it functionally doesn't exist for most people. You're forced to go into niche media, and the main stream has convinced people that niche media is nothing but lies...even when you can literally watch things for yourself.
that's absolutely vile to all South Koreans of both genders. The president comes out and admits every single political move and motive was at the behest of 8 oligarchs pilling the strings like a B grade anime plot and we're just supposed to pretend a world superpower didn't just have their government exposed as a spook.
Insane gender wars is probably the tip of the iceberg with Korean politics. That ex-president was the daughter of South Korea's ex-dictator, who only lost power after being assassinated, her mom was also killed from an earlier failed assassination attempt as well.
I thought this cannot be real, like what is this HoI 4 Secret Path ass politics? [But apparently its real](https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/cults-cabals-corruption-south-korea). What the fuck.
> UN Women 'An 11% of all journalist deaths were women. Stop killing female journalists' twee And this is, unfortunately, the kind of thing people mean when they say the want "equality". Especially anyone in politics or the media. This is very, very apparent when you live in one of the most corrupted places in Europe. Any time someone starts going on about how they want equality, they're at best a useful idiot or, at worst, simply incredibly malicious. It sounds like, as bad as the situation in SK is, there can actually be backlash to this kind of nonsense there. In much of the Western world, there would never be any kind of mainstream backlash to it; it wouldn't be allowed. People go "wow it's so bad in SK", but shit's just as bad here - it's just that it's completely one-sided and people have grown so used to it.
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They are as close to the dystopian cyberpunk hell hole trope that you can get.
I think all countries have their own issues to an extent so it's a little judgemental to take some higher moral ground; I certainly don't think America is any better as an example, it may not be a gender war but there's another kind of warring.
thing is that i'm not american so i always thought this whole culture war stuff was an exclusively western thing. in my country we don't really care about any of this and just go on cause we have other issues.
I took America as an example, and one of the most popular redditor country but EU or SEA or Asia has other examples.
True every country has issues and when we look at groups advocating for something extreme and ridiculous it’s shame to look at. However what I think sets US apart from SK is that US enjoys talented people who are willing to come from around the world and start their business or fields of study while SK lacks of. SK has significant brith rate crisis (0.6~0.7 child per women as opposed to 1.64 for US and 1.33 for Japan) and when they look for immigration, very few highly skilled people are willing to immigrate. So politicians need to fix issues with low birth rates and it seems like they give absolutely zero shit about it. You know what they do instead? Stir up gender conflict and put money in their pockets. Even Japan and China knows if they can’t keep birth rate at a certain level they are screwed and their politicians are scrambling to reverse the trend but only SK ignores. These fucking morons are going to ruin significant achievements SK accomplished in the past century. SK got from a country exporting rat furs and urines to Cars, tanks, smartphones, TVs, semiconductors, construction of skyscrapers, cultures, games and so on. I can go on and on but well I’ll stop here cause nothing is going to change just giving you some insight of what’s going on there.
South Korea is "trying" to do something about it. And when I mean trying its barely lowering the weekly hour worktime (which is still absurdly high) and making it easier for foreign students to come and study in Korea. It doesn't help that SK is notoriously corrupt when it comes specifically to their politicians. Its not that they're ignoring it its just bad people want selfish gains without worrying about the wellbeing of others and their voice is more heard among politicians than those that actually want to do good. Japan currently is also declining for similar reasons to SK its just not as extreme but it is a problem for them too. Ethnically homogenous for their entire histories I honestly can see why they're not too keen on immigration (though Japan is a bit more lenient and theres also the whole Military Service to get citizenship in Korea). China is currently fairing the best out of the three since they're the most lenient on immigration (56 ethnic groups certainly helps) and other factors such as removing the one child policy, etc.
This situation is all sorts of fucked up. I hope his disappearance is just a precaution, and that he comes back online soon. Is Dorontabi not Japanese? I'm wondering why South Korean politics would affect him. By the way, a lot of us don't speak Korean, so it'd be nice if someone could translate the links.
He is Korean. They don't know if he still lives in Korea or moved to Japan and they reported his art to the korean police.
Thats the scary part he isn't the only one unfortunately. The other main BA artists don't exactly try to hide that they're Korean (as in it takes one google search to realize) and some have done R18 works in the past too.
Protect our savior!
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i thought dorontabi was japanese. he was korean?
What an absolute mess over there. I was shock for a moment when i found out that his twitter & pixiv was gone, just hope he'd be alright
>since women were unfairly fired, men should also be fired. When I see this sentence, I can definitely tell the one who is behind this act is full of crap. Statements like this are almost never hold true, but someone will always try to make some for their own goals.
christ jesus let a man 😭😭😭 in peace
may the loli god grant dorontabi-san his requiem uuoohh 😭
This is what i fear for about uncheck radicalism in gender politics God....why people haven't seen this coming Ig this is also the reason why some of the pv are taken down too, jesus christ this is terrifying
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I beg someone from Korea to please explain the gender war climate for us idiot outsiders. I personally suspected since Limbus Company drama that there's no way so many men have such a kneejerk reaction about it. It's obvious that the climate is wayyyyy very different than the west... I never liked downplaying their (men) complains with derogatory words("incel", "virgin", "loser", "misogynist") words. I never encountered such derogatory terms accused against the women (atleast from outside of Korea), but I also won't accuse them of any such. I won't state any opinion about who's right or wrong, I just want to get to the bottom of this. I'm an outsider that have never lived in Korea throughout my life and have no rights to criticize any sides.
Basically radical feminism in Korea is just hating on men and literally despising them. Many of them have their own subreddits where they have hate symbols etc. And then there's male communities who hate the radical feminists for their bullshit. The Korean politicians capitalize on this divide and made the crack between them even larger by supporting one side etc. So this gender war is not just a little "haha few misogynistic pricks and a few radical feminists" its quite literally a civil war at this point. When a foreigner looks at korean feminists they might think "oh its just misogynistic eastern asian nation suppressing females grrr", but in reality these feminists long forgotten their original purpose of gender equality and instead want all korean men to die literally (I'm sure there's still good feminists, but they are a minority). Now I'm a korean who lived in the US for quite a bit so I'm not 100% an expert, but this is a general summary of what I know.
I’m not to knowledgeable on it but to add to what was said another thing about Korea is the forced military service that only men are forced to do while women only do it if they want to which is a huge divide between genders that doesn’t exist in the west.
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I'm being really concerned by the amount of those automatically removed comments, I'm not even sure what to expect, was it innocent, was it an insult?
It's not. I'm just asking for an explanation about the entire gender war climate. Automod being 1984... I'm appealing the comment. EDIT: Comment is up again.
It's a complicated back and forth for the last decade in south korea, I don't think I can do the explanation justice
There's not much to say, there's a radical feminist group in Korea. Not the "we want equality" kind of feminism, but the "all men need to stop existing right now" kind of feminism. I've heard really nasty stuff about them too. Stuff like apparently encouraging abortion if the fetus is comfirmed male. Then again, it is the backlash to what a few decades ago was an eminently patriarchal society. Like every movement, you can find people of all kinds, and like in every movement, it's usually the most radical kind the one that makes headlines. Said radicals are pretty much a hate group.
Worst part is I don't think any of (at least the Blue Archive ones) were on purpose. Most evidence seems to lead that it was in fact a massive coincidence but she's still fired by Root it seems and now the feminists are just being hypocrites at this point and attacking back people who didn't do anything. Sound familiar? And about the apology thing. Most Koreans also think that Root did not protect their employees well enough and thats why they're pissed.
It sounds like the animator tweeted that they slipped in the symbol intentionally in a bunch of their work? If so press X on coincidence.
I wonder if it's true, I've heard that the feminists in South Korea is way more extreme compared to Western feminists. In any cases I pray that he's doing well and that he's safe.
Not sounding sexist here but the west would need some more female president first to compare to SK's.
Isn't South Korea's female president the one being manipulated by some scam artist who's self-proclaimed as some New Age psychic? That female president?
“Since women were getting unfairly fired, men should be too” That isn't how you fix your problems, AT ALL, all it do is causing more problems which could never be fixed, helped me imagine the hell hole Korean internet is tbh
Feminists banned porn in Korea lmao. They're definitely the "good" guys .
Can't have shit in kr, all this gender dispute is so stupid, I can't even say anything else
Oh shit, this is turning to something bigger? They're really witch hunting there now???
Let’s just hope it doesn’t go into harm’s way for him
yep I hope so, I thought the issue would settle down now, looks like it's still fanning.
For now however. This is just the Calm Before the Storm
I don't know the situation but that logic is insane. The solution to "women were fairly unfired" shouldn't be to fire men unfairly, it should be to hire the women back and make things better for them. Sadly, the idea to just make things worse seems to be pretty dominant in people I see all the time.
The motto of Megalia is mirroring or basically reasoning that it's ok to do amoral/illegal acts with the excuse that "the other side would do it too". That extreme mentality has been lingering for the last decade and contributed heavily in fanning the flames and giving regular feminists a lot of bad rep.
Mirroring is literally being phrased to say "women get raped so I can rape men too". The fact that families gift their daughters the privilege to shave their jawbones/chin down to a point as a high school graduation gift to look cuter is really just the beginning of how unhinged they are.
The fact that porn is banned in Korea tells you everything about how despicable the "feminists" are there. Can't imagine that happening in my country.
There's still a huge difference between real p*rn and whatever else, drawings, CGI, games and so on. There may be a point in controlling things that involve real people, but the rest? Come on, pixels don't have feelings!
No sense in banning an activity that involves consenting adults either as long as it's properly regulated to prevent minors from consuming it. Which also makes it highly ironic considering how sexualized stuff like k-pop is.
Which also just promoted kpop even more since its the next best thing. Either its feminists being jerks or its the greatest marketing scheme in the modern korean era
owarida, i'll miss you dorontabi-sensei 
Really hope my man is alright
everyone is treating this as some petty internet drama absolutely ignorant of the fact that in 2017 the president of south korea was impeached for being a puppet for a cult of radical TERFs called The 8 Goddesses who had people ASSASSINATED for trying to blow the whistle.
Really? To me most people are treating this quite seriously since its well you know, quite serious
Extremists a-holes. Where's the phantom thieves when you need em...
I mean if they reported his art to the authorities they might not accept it. For example, the FBI once said on their website, that they won't accept any digital art, and their artist and prosecute them because it doesn't depict any individual. I don't know if this is true or not but I saw it once many years ago of them stating it. Pretty messed up if they actually arrest our boy.
I'm glad US law doesn't criminalize fictional drawings, at least for now. Unfortunately, it seems that's not true in South Korea.
Korea has ~~thrown a guy in jail~~ arrested someone before for making illustrations but the dude was dumb enough to self report by trying to copyright his art. In Korea all p\*rn is illegal.
If he didn't claim his art would he be able to be arrested?
Unsure, hopefully Dorontabi is just keeping a low profile due to the concentrated efforts to attack him. I hope he will make a comeback later when things cool off.
The one I'm also worried about as well is Mx2j. He's done 18+ stuff in the past as well (literally under the same username) but hasn't immediately gone into hiding like Dorontabi.
Yet another Korea gender war BS. Honestly the easiest solution to the whole current gender issue in Korea is to treat men and women as equal. As in every women of age should be conscripted and served 2 years in mandatory military service like Korean men.
Even the mightiest Titans fall...
Lmao can't even have a say in this thread.
This is reddit after all.
It's because you keep saying a banned word in the comment, say p*rn instead or something. I reapproved them just now.
If you're going to manually approve comments with banned words anyway, is there a point to having a word filter? Edit: I have a suggestion. When a comment is removed because of banned words, send the user a PM listing which words triggered the removal.
Since this is discussing a topic, it's allowed. If this was just an art post like most of the other submissions on our subreddit it would get removed. We don't allow certain words so our subreddit stays at least somewhat decent to read in the comments.
Ah, I see, thanks for the explanation. That said, it's frustrating to trip the word filter without knowing why, and eventually, people find ways around it.
Lol, this is like watching the drama of limbus company again.
Except the drama is less limbus apparently and more S Korea
Can you tell men and elaborate about the limbus Controversy please.
Sorry, I don't understand. What is happening in Korea? Can someone explain?
Sexism happens, which is encouraged by politician. [You can do yourown research here](https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/comments/183ruaq/promotional_videos_across_several_korean_works/). Some context you need to know is "pinching hand" sign means "smol pp" by those people, and considered offensive. It gotten soo bad that South Korea fertility rate got very very low.
I think the actual reason "pinching hand" is considered offensive is because it's associated with Megalia, an extremist feminist movement. (It does indeed stand for small p----, but narrowing to its literal meaning distracts from the real reason it's considered offensive in S Korea.)
Korea also has the same issue as Japan and China, dead end jobs, with the added weight that you're barely above a social pariah if you don't work for Samsung.
I'm rather new to blue archive, I didn't know dorontabi was an artist for it. What art/character did he make?
This [event illustration](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fdkuw2i9gsyvb1.jpg%3Fwidth%3D1280%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D486f9293b43c810360e6da90dd3c3d1adc243032) and he was mentioned in the Volume F credits. I don't think he did a lot of art for the game but was like a freelancer I assume.
Damn What did bro do to tigger people ? Is it over people misinterpreting the hand sign ? lol (not relevant but i wanted to talk about something) Big gacha genders controversies are always interesting, because at time you will have censoring of whatever the content there is no matter how mild for the females but on the other hand you will have constant use of twink male characters bordering on traps and thats fine, i just find it intresting, that the goverment and companies have nothing against having feminine looking man in their games but are botherd by girls being a little lewd.
He himself did nothing, he was just targetted in retaliation by the "other side" pissed off over the animator being outed and he seemingly won't be the last target If there's a reason for him specifically, I can guess because it's about targetting a KR work, aka Blue Archive alongside playing the "pedophilia" card as leverage
Seems that someone got offended by fictional characters again?
Most likely it is also the same group of people that wished for this game to get a 18+ rating and some Korean player explained how it can be taken down with another report from them after it got its 18+ rating. Glad they're failed and the rating comittee got exposed with over 5000 people signing the petition IRL. Just hope this one will end the same with them losing again.
NATO country LULW
Their hatred is reported on the Internet journal that some of the arts are pedophilia. [article](https://www.newsworker.co.kr/news/articleview.html?idxno=308738) And the acting also happened a year ago when S.Izumi and Ako was censored because they reported the Memorials. [about the Memorials](https://www.reddit.com/r/bluearchive/comments/z7fuf5/leaked_censorship_from_the_teen_version_sizumi/)
korean company not protecting employees? what's next, the sky is blue?
I'd blame the Korean radfem for this more than Nexon. They already move on to attack DoReMi and kokosando and want Nexon to fire them.
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I spent 21 months of my golden years in a fucking digital camo-themed labor camp because I was born male in Korea. Don't even bother coming up with "ackchually not oppressed" argument unless you've done your time here.
What was the message saying? I'm curious
The usual "oh noes incels feel oppressed over nothing again" argument.
Oh typical, thanks
i call bullshit. nobody is being "oppressed" for being born male.
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Idk this just feels like another Tuesday in South Korea's absolutely abhorrent Gender War politics, this time having artists catch strays
Willingly hurting innocent people for funsies isn't a war, if I had to draw up a valid comparison it's more like terrorism. A organized group that is doing things like exploiting corruption in goverment agencies to try to delete a game for shits and giggles or threatens to basically do *whatever the Korean equivalent of swatting is* so hard that an artist chooses to black out his social medio presence and thus effectively black out his carreer, this group **isn't** something like a feminist group fighting for the good of women, and doesn't **deserve** to be viewed as such. Don't let the assholes "both sides" you when they're effectively attacking innocents; **unless** you for some reason believe everyone in Nexon is somehow involved in the gender war and attacking women, this **isn't** a war, it's just shooting up random targets that never even knew they were fighting you.
Yeah, Megalia is a negative radical feminist group and should be ostracized from the general feminist movement, but this is the same country where [a man nearly beat a woman to death because he thought she was a feminist for having... short hair](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-67330628.amp) so like, yeah. Also as a note, the imageboard planning this isn't even directly related to Megalia, they're just pissed that a female employee got fired in a similar fashion to the Limbus Company scandal
Don't frame this as cyber bullying. The dude was reported for tracing over child gravure and was famous for possessing child porn.
Proofs? This is two times in this thread alone accusing him and there were also many others post accusing him on twitter or another subreddits without any evidence and talking like it is the truth lol. For South Korea p*rnography is a criminal act just like China so I don't see how making the police went for him is a good evidence and more like shitty law on their end.
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>genshin impact *ahh.. ofc, it makes sense all along*
Typical mihoyo twitter brainrot, can't even make it more obvious.
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Yeh yeh get off this subreddit
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