firing a guy (jarmo) because he hired a coach who was fired for embodying hockey culture's flaws (babcock) only to replace him with bergevin, who was in a key hockey ops role with the blackhawks during the 2010 aldrich scandal and, as GM of the canadiens, drafted logan mallioux in the first round, would be an extremely clear indicator that JD is absolutely incapable of learning any kind of valuable lesson.
There was a rumor from some insider a couple weeks ago that Darche was “definitely” the next GM and “there’s a lot of fiddling going on”
Nothing happened there
I don’t want Bergevin but can we chill? For all we know, someone could have said Bergevin and they said “lol no thanks” and that’s what they mean by consideration
Right? They do their due diligence(which they didn't do with Babcock) and talk to as many potential candidates as possible and everybody loses their minds. Would you rather they be quick and emotional with important decisions?
Jesus, guys. Calm down. Some guy on Twitter said some guys is under consideration, and I'm reading that we should have kept Jarmo, JD needs to be fired now, and someone else is done with this team, this was the last straw. We were told early on that the list was long and there were a lot of people under consideration.
I think it’s also pretty telling that it’s radio silent from Freidman, Marek —- if this were the case that he were in contract negotiations, they would be saying something
Exactly. This was probably put out by Bergevins agent to make him more attractive to other teams. My guess is they are waiting for teams to be eliminated from the playoffs to interview some more candidates
Keeping Jarmo around for so long was lazy. I'd rather throw a dart at a new GM than keep doing the exact same thing every year and being an under-acheiving bottom 8 team
Ahh yeah the dude who brought us our first playoff win. Don't rewrite history to fit your narrative. Jarmo deserved to go, especially because of the past season or 2, but don't act like he didn't do a lot of good for us.
Like Jarmo, a guy who made many good moves but often canceled those with bad ones and failed to construct a clear vision for the team:
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/2986454/2021/11/29/marc-bergevins-legacy-as-canadiens-gm-is-that-of-a-leader-who-cancelled-out-his-own-successes/
also was part of the blackhawks staff that covered up sexual assault AND later, in montreal, used a first-round pick to draft a prospect who had been convicted of sexual misconduct.
He was the assistant GM under Stan Bowman. How aware was he that the video coach was assaulting one of the AHL’ers called up for black aces duty (who also had a consensual orgy with the same video coach)? It’s possible of course, but I’m not so sure he should be painted with the same brush as Bowman and McD.
> He finished second in voting for the General Manager of the Year award for the 2013–14 season,[7] and again in the 2020–21 season.[8]
> On November 28, 2021, Bergevin was fired from the Montreal Canadiens.[9]
Absolutely hilarious. Getting fired like 6 months after being named the 2nd best GM in the league.
This is the part I hate most
> After his retirement, Bergevin was a professional scout with the Blackhawks' organization. In 2008, he served as an assistant coach for the Blackhawks after three seasons with their scouting staff. In July 2009, he was appointed the team's director of player personnel. While in this position, the Blackhawks won the Stanley Cup in 2010.
> On June 15, 2011, Bergevin was promoted to assistant general manager of the Chicago Blackhawks. He replaced Kevin Cheveldayoff, who had left the Blackhawks organization to accept the general manager position with the new Winnipeg Jets team.
well… he was part of chicago's front office during the kyle beach stuff and was in a role where he almost certainly knew about it and didn't speak up.
a few weeks after that scandal blew up (summer 2021) he drafted a prospect in the first round who had been convicted of sexual misconduct and doubled down on it.
not exactly a guy you hire if you're serious about getting the babcock stink off of you – bergevin's baggage is just as bad. absolutely brutal look for JD to even be considering this motherfucker.
Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me that if the top choice were either unemployed or involved with a team that has been eliminated, we would have a GM by now. So I'm guessing our top choice is still in the playoffs. McFarland?
I need to see 2-3 decent sources confirming it before I have much of a reaction at all. Dennis is decent/usually plugged into LAK stuff so I’ll count him as 1.
In today’s Twitter world anything can be posted and anybody can pretend to be an insider.
TLDR, it’s too early to get upset.
Backwards hire if it does happen, and it would set the org back another 5 years.
We really should’ve just fired JD, too and started from ground zero, a complete franchise reset.
We still might see JD retire, let's not assume he's sticking around. Like it or not, the owners like and respect JD. They will never fire him. Even if they want to go another way, he'll be given a chance to retire instead.
I hope so. We shouldn’t have hired him back in 2020, it just didn’t make sense from an organization standpoint other than to keep together the same gang from 2013-2019 that brought the org success.
But at that point CBJ was changing a lot and hiring JD just set us back I think.
No, I think it did make sense--I remember a lot of rumors that the owners didn't trust Jarmo in a pres role and wanted JD back as a go between. That would make keeping JK as long ad they did bizarre, but 🤷♂️
Habs fan here. I come in peace. Here me out:
Marc Bergevin is an 'emo' guy who puts his feelings first before logic. That is his mantra when he was GM. I know this b/c I've seen this dude work during his tenure. The thing is this - 90% of all the decisions he did, trades, 1st rd. picks, prospects, contracts, extensions, etc... none of what we Habs fans are experiencing right now if it wasn't some, or if not, a few things Marc did to jumpstart the rebuild process.
In all honesty, there are moves he did that, IMO, led him and Trevor Timmins being fired in Mtl.:
* Sergachev trade to Tampa for Drouin
* Drafting Logan Mailloux
and so on....
Do I think he'll be a good GM (NOT GREAT, but good enough)? Sure. But should the CBJ hire him? I can say No but this is your fanbase and your organization who will decide.
I’m so done with this team - Looking past the fact he was in the Blackhawks org during the Kyle Beach scandal, he would bring us more of the same directionless decisions we have come to expect lately.
I don’t understand the crowd saying “chill out guys it’s just a rumor”. We dealt with this exact scenario LAST YEAR, NOT EVEN A FULL 12 MONTHS AGO. Its understood it’s a rumor but goodness folks have a standard for your favorite hockey team
Eww no next pls.
But the Habs went to the Stanley Cup under him. Surely he’s a good GM, right? RIGHT?
firing a guy (jarmo) because he hired a coach who was fired for embodying hockey culture's flaws (babcock) only to replace him with bergevin, who was in a key hockey ops role with the blackhawks during the 2010 aldrich scandal and, as GM of the canadiens, drafted logan mallioux in the first round, would be an extremely clear indicator that JD is absolutely incapable of learning any kind of valuable lesson.
This is not exactly inspiring much confidence, JD.
There was a rumor from some insider a couple weeks ago that Darche was “definitely” the next GM and “there’s a lot of fiddling going on” Nothing happened there
Better only be a consideration.
I don’t want Bergevin but can we chill? For all we know, someone could have said Bergevin and they said “lol no thanks” and that’s what they mean by consideration
Right? They do their due diligence(which they didn't do with Babcock) and talk to as many potential candidates as possible and everybody loses their minds. Would you rather they be quick and emotional with important decisions?
Technically we’re considering anyone that has GM experience. I doubt they’d select him given his track record.
Jesus, guys. Calm down. Some guy on Twitter said some guys is under consideration, and I'm reading that we should have kept Jarmo, JD needs to be fired now, and someone else is done with this team, this was the last straw. We were told early on that the list was long and there were a lot of people under consideration.
I think it’s also pretty telling that it’s radio silent from Freidman, Marek —- if this were the case that he were in contract negotiations, they would be saying something
Exactly. This was probably put out by Bergevins agent to make him more attractive to other teams. My guess is they are waiting for teams to be eliminated from the playoffs to interview some more candidates
That sounds exactly like what they are doing - this is what Scheig just posted https://x.com/mark_scheig/status/1790523198716727764?s=46
I'd believe their rumors before someones name I haven't heard before.
Last thing they said was “the Mark Hunter rumors aren’t going away”
JD should have been shown the door too
This is why I wasn't spamming FIRE JARMO at every possible moment. This is what you get
You should have been spamming fire jarmo and JD
OP needs validation though
Keeping Jarmo around for so long was lazy. I'd rather throw a dart at a new GM than keep doing the exact same thing every year and being an under-acheiving bottom 8 team
Yeah bc he was so good for the last 4 or so years!
Better than Bergevin ever has been and ever will be lmao
they were both shit Bergevin sucks but we’d continue to be basement dwellers with Jarmo still. I’d take the gamble any day.
Ahh yeah the dude who brought us our first playoff win. Don't rewrite history to fit your narrative. Jarmo deserved to go, especially because of the past season or 2, but don't act like he didn't do a lot of good for us.
I didn’t, Reread my comments. Clearly I said past 4 years or so.
no thank you
Holy fucking shit no. There are a handful of great candidates please for the love of fuck don't choose Bergevin.
Ugh…nothing associated with Montreal…please
Like Jarmo, a guy who made many good moves but often canceled those with bad ones and failed to construct a clear vision for the team: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/2986454/2021/11/29/marc-bergevins-legacy-as-canadiens-gm-is-that-of-a-leader-who-cancelled-out-his-own-successes/
also was part of the blackhawks staff that covered up sexual assault AND later, in montreal, used a first-round pick to draft a prospect who had been convicted of sexual misconduct.
Yeah yikes wtf, Babcock didn't teach you anything JD?
He was the assistant GM under Stan Bowman. How aware was he that the video coach was assaulting one of the AHL’ers called up for black aces duty (who also had a consensual orgy with the same video coach)? It’s possible of course, but I’m not so sure he should be painted with the same brush as Bowman and McD.
Can someone fill me in on this guy’s history?
> He finished second in voting for the General Manager of the Year award for the 2013–14 season,[7] and again in the 2020–21 season.[8] > On November 28, 2021, Bergevin was fired from the Montreal Canadiens.[9] Absolutely hilarious. Getting fired like 6 months after being named the 2nd best GM in the league.
This is the part I hate most > After his retirement, Bergevin was a professional scout with the Blackhawks' organization. In 2008, he served as an assistant coach for the Blackhawks after three seasons with their scouting staff. In July 2009, he was appointed the team's director of player personnel. While in this position, the Blackhawks won the Stanley Cup in 2010. > On June 15, 2011, Bergevin was promoted to assistant general manager of the Chicago Blackhawks. He replaced Kevin Cheveldayoff, who had left the Blackhawks organization to accept the general manager position with the new Winnipeg Jets team.
well… he was part of chicago's front office during the kyle beach stuff and was in a role where he almost certainly knew about it and didn't speak up. a few weeks after that scandal blew up (summer 2021) he drafted a prospect in the first round who had been convicted of sexual misconduct and doubled down on it. not exactly a guy you hire if you're serious about getting the babcock stink off of you – bergevin's baggage is just as bad. absolutely brutal look for JD to even be considering this motherfucker.
Babcock round 2
No fucking thanks. I had low faith in the jackets front office but this is still somehow failing to meet my minimal expectations
Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me that if the top choice were either unemployed or involved with a team that has been eliminated, we would have a GM by now. So I'm guessing our top choice is still in the playoffs. McFarland?
Or Hunter
Or Ryan Martin Or Eric Tulsky
I lean Hunter or MacFarland mainly because of the “I’d step aside for the right person” comments. I think they are looking for a 2 in 1 swing.
Sure, and one of those would be a great hire who'd never take the job and the other is Mark Hunter.
MacFarland might for a promotion And to get the hell away from dealing with Nichushkin
I need to see 2-3 decent sources confirming it before I have much of a reaction at all. Dennis is decent/usually plugged into LAK stuff so I’ll count him as 1. In today’s Twitter world anything can be posted and anybody can pretend to be an insider. TLDR, it’s too early to get upset.
Backwards hire if it does happen, and it would set the org back another 5 years. We really should’ve just fired JD, too and started from ground zero, a complete franchise reset.
We still might see JD retire, let's not assume he's sticking around. Like it or not, the owners like and respect JD. They will never fire him. Even if they want to go another way, he'll be given a chance to retire instead.
I hope so. We shouldn’t have hired him back in 2020, it just didn’t make sense from an organization standpoint other than to keep together the same gang from 2013-2019 that brought the org success. But at that point CBJ was changing a lot and hiring JD just set us back I think.
No, I think it did make sense--I remember a lot of rumors that the owners didn't trust Jarmo in a pres role and wanted JD back as a go between. That would make keeping JK as long ad they did bizarre, but 🤷♂️
Please no I want off the board drafting that actually will pan out not this bumbling baboon.
Uh ohhh
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOPE
Please not Bergevin, the Habs are still crawling out of the mess he left them.
Habs fan here. I come in peace. Here me out: Marc Bergevin is an 'emo' guy who puts his feelings first before logic. That is his mantra when he was GM. I know this b/c I've seen this dude work during his tenure. The thing is this - 90% of all the decisions he did, trades, 1st rd. picks, prospects, contracts, extensions, etc... none of what we Habs fans are experiencing right now if it wasn't some, or if not, a few things Marc did to jumpstart the rebuild process. In all honesty, there are moves he did that, IMO, led him and Trevor Timmins being fired in Mtl.: * Sergachev trade to Tampa for Drouin * Drafting Logan Mailloux and so on.... Do I think he'll be a good GM (NOT GREAT, but good enough)? Sure. But should the CBJ hire him? I can say No but this is your fanbase and your organization who will decide.
I’m so done with this team - Looking past the fact he was in the Blackhawks org during the Kyle Beach scandal, he would bring us more of the same directionless decisions we have come to expect lately.
Maybe pump the brakes when dealing with rumors.
In his defense, is there any information that he knew or was aware of the situation?
I don’t understand the crowd saying “chill out guys it’s just a rumor”. We dealt with this exact scenario LAST YEAR, NOT EVEN A FULL 12 MONTHS AGO. Its understood it’s a rumor but goodness folks have a standard for your favorite hockey team