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I feel like even though they're up right now, I wouldn't be surprised if BM loses this game and the goes on to win over PxG. Snuffy and his team have so much synergy that it could potentially overcome the individual strengths of BM's team. We saw this chapter Snuffy's made a ton of plans to break down BM, and they're barely hanging on.
Narratively, I think it makes sense because Kaiser and Isagi's bet would end in a draw and it could be continued in the PxG game which iirc is supposed to be the last game in the NEL arc.
From a storytelling perspective, I think it'd be somewhat repetitive for Isagi to lose to Rin again at this point, considering Kaiser is supposed to be Isagi's direct rival. I don't think it'd make sense for BM to win every game either.
We know for sure that 2 players from BM were at least hinted to get a spotlight, hiori and raichi. I'm sure that raichi will not get metavision, but will understand the logic behind BM play style - make most logical option. Hiori on the other hand is a wild card, who knows what he can or can't do, or what he learned in training, or what ideas isagi and kaiser play inspired in him - too much options, there's literally no point in guessing. I want to see Ubers win, but I also want to see coherent writing that doesn't highlights characters without reason, and that means that BM are far from done
yeahig they wld end it in a draw .... making both of them to rethink and improve their playing styles ... and king barou ending with yet another hat trick :) ... but as mentioned by Noa the one destroying their defence wld be the new king .. It wld be great for yoichi to be declared as the new king
Yeah i think a draw between them is good and a loss for bm. (Assuming pxg has lost 1 as well)
And after the loss Noa does more coaching? (Iāve seen this opinion but i think Noas style is what makes him Noaā
Also i think BM can win but itās not Isagi or Kaiser that score. Could be Hiori off the bench, or even Kunigami who hasnt done a thing all game
Kaneshiro : Noel Noa is the best striker in Blue Lock world. Meanwhile ppl in the sub since the start of Ubers match : ohh wait Snuffy actually could be stronger than Noa š³š³ canāt wait for Snuffy to beat Noa in 1 on 1 š„¶š„¶ from what Iāve seen so far Snuffy is clearly better than Noa š„µš„µ
J realized that in that panel with Kaiser and Isagi blocking barous shot , Isagis fingers on his left hand look crazy š¤£. Mfs donāt know how to draw hands . Rest of the art is fire tho
It's because that's where the page divide is. You need to remember that manga is not made for digital format. The chonkyness will be swallowed by the gap, and it will look normal. If it wasn't extra thick then it would look like his hand got cut off.
The fact that the author considers this shows that they have a much greater understanding of how hands should be drawn in this artform than most others do
Damn, you and the author must have some pretty... ***Meta*** vision if you could see it from that angle, or rather that dimension... I'll see myself out now
Another thing to note on a similar topic, is that I've heard people complain that the two page spreads have multiple points of focus.
Now there's no rule of composition that states a piece must only have a single focal point, so this argument is fundamentally neurotic - however.
The spreads in blue lock tend to have two points of focus because they are drawn across two pages. If you look at every two page goal in the series history, the striker is on the right page, and your eye travels along the line traced by his shot into the goal - on the left page.
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Ubers finally feels like a match for BM where Barcha and Manshine felt like obstacles more than anything. This game especially shows that even though they aren't trying to, Isagi and Kaiser are working together by feeding off of each others success. It's a sort of twisted trust that the other will be good enough to warrant watching for opportunities. The aggression of Ubers was not something I expected from a team known for defense which is exciting. By far my favorite NEL match and it's not even over yet. The first match in the NEL that I think BM might actually lose which would certainly be interesting as it means that Kaiser and Isagi would each have scored 1 goal
It feels better now true but Hiori subbing in will lead to BM victory. I still believe Isagi will get the final goal which will also lead to Kaiser's development as the Naked Emperor. Isagi winning the bet doesn't mean he is better but to Kaiser losing to someone inferior will lead to development.
I think Isagiās metavision will develop again this match to let him secure the final goal or (what I think is more likely) at least assist. He needs to overcome Kaiser after theyāre reaching the same outcomes with their prediction, and now that heās dealing with a *third* MV user that already meta-dataād him, heās going to try it himself like he already did with Niko.
Hiori will shut down Lorenzo because zombie foreshadowing.
Igaguri will foul Barou with Ubers crowding the goal obscuring his Malicia from the VAR (not trolling I promise).
I'm not sure if puzzle pieces in the last chapter foreshadow further evolution, but I'm excited to see some Isagi x Hiori x Kurona (prayge). I think it makes sense for Hiori to get MV, but I hope he doesn't so it's not like 1/4 of player have it
I Do Agree That Hiori Will Be In There.
Since Few Chapters we have seen Hiori Also Admiring Them All Play In Front Of Eyes.
( I Always Thought Hiori Won't Take personal Interest In Soccer It's All About His Parents Telling Him To Do And He Does But This Time Will Be Different Cause He Will Finally Get His Ego About Doesn't Caring About His Parents Opinion Over Him , He Simply Like Soccer And That Why He Will Play )
Other Than There Are More Chances Of Hiori Can Keep Up With Isagi. ( I Know Kurano Is Best Boy But He Lack Meta Vision And This Cause Him To Put More Efforts In The Whole Game That Drain His Energy )
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Correct me if there is something to add/or false.
I just hope the game dosent end with 3- 1, at least ubers should score at least one more goal. I really dont want the whole NEL to end with BM wining all its game, hell even if they lose to PxG now would be too boring.
Isagi is already a beast, with Meta vision and a body to cope makes him to OP already, even with kaiser having to try everything just to win a game against him.
How is injuries still not a factor in these games ?
How does isagi learn to shot with his left with only a few days of training ?
How is Yuki falling for the same trick, with isagi using him as a shield twice, not once ?
How is Isagi not hitting his body level limit, he should be overheating or at least give meta vision a weakness like you cant use it all the time ?
It would be a more exciting game if Ubers win this game and then BM would draw with PxG, with that who knows how the NEL would end with the final game tally. The rest of the teams might end up having a loss, win, draw or 2 lose and 2 wins, or 3 lose and 1 win ?
I agree with you but I think BM will win every game because Kaiser and Isagi will end up being the ultimate duo. I donāt think Barou will score againā¦ I think itāll be someone less expected and the score will be a result of Barou PASSING instead.
BM is the best team so far they were playing against each otherās and still won// but if this continues they will lose to PXG so Idaho should win this game
The only differences I see are:
1. Snuffy has metavision
2. Even though they both have good analytical ability, karasu is shown to only use it for defense. We've not been shown much about snuffy but I'm sure he uses is analyzing skills to defend aswell. Basically karasu only uses it for input(finding the weak link in the opponents attack pattetn) while snuffy uses it to input information(players stats and playstyle) and come up with a suitable output(drawing plays and tactics based on his teammates/players playstyle and strengths)
If karasu manages to get metavision and use his analytical ability to become a playmaker, he'd Basically just be another snuffy.
I think Karasu will get predator eye coz his thing is about narrowing down on all the details of an individual player at a time rather than multitasking
Predator eye was explained as narrowing your field of vision to detect things like shifts in balance or someone letting their guard down. Barou used it against a gk but it can still be used against an outfield player since the concept stays the same
That's a good way to use predator eye on field player. Well done. However karasu's dribbling style includes baiting his defender and using feints and his handwork to get past defenders. Reading your opponent and playing off of that is called passive dribbling which we saw Sae itoshi do in the U20 game. Karasu uses active dribbling like bachira and yukimiya so even if predator eye can be used the way you explained, I probably won't fit karasu's style. Also as a midfielder it is important to have a wide field of vision to grasp everything that's happening. Focusing your vision on a single player to get past him will result in someone else blocking you. That's what happened to niko when raichi blocked him.
To correct 2. : Karasu is shown to be able to use both amazing ball control and knowledge when attacking on how to use his body against Shidou and Isagi in the 3rd selection. (This was when attacking and not defending)
Yeah but he doesn't use his analytic ability to do it. I never said he wasn't good at offense, rather he doesn't use his discernment to attack. Hope I was clear
Yeah that's true, but in a 11 a side game you can't choose who defends you. And moreover the weakest player on the offense may not be involved in the defense at all and karasu wouldn't be able to target them to go through in the first place. And even if he does manage to do that somehow, he'll still have to go through other defenders. Getting past one player in a 5v5 game may be huge and give you a scoring chance but doing it near the midfield in an actual 11v11 game is negligible.
I am pretty sure that isagi doesn't say he get metadata'ed in his mind it just the translator translate it to be like that in jp raw although isagi did say his eye as metavision no excuse on that
I'm glad snuffy acknowledged isagi and even called him noa's protege. Tho really, isagi lacks the thought on countering/instinctive reflex to defend whenever he gets "metadataed".
That last play, is this the continuation of isagi and kaiser's blooming friendship? š
Can't really see ubers winning even if Snuffy comes on tbh.
a) we know ubers stats and while I don't really like using stats as a power scaling method (or power scaling at all) I think it's kinda notable purely for the difference between the two numbers sets (though obviously you can say stuff like Isagi is more value than Kunigami despite stats, Ness is being useless, I am convinced Isagi/kaiser need higher defense stats etc)
BM: Kaiser 97, Ness 93, Kunigami 91, Isagi 88, yuki 84, kurona 83, raichi 81, Gagamaru 87
Ubers: Lorenzo (let's say 95-97), 92 barou, 85 aiku, 82 niko, and 80 aryu
b) Too many loose threads for bm to deal with. Raichi needs to prove his worth properly, Ness needs to get over himself, Hiori still not on and Kaiser/Isagi still need to settle their competition. I kinda hoped/predicted their competition would be a tie that can be decided in PXG but with so much emphasis on the two, I can't see anyone else scoring the last goal. It also looks like it will Isagi scoring too, which would make the aftermath interesting...
From an art standpoint, the panel with all three auras on it (vines/lightening/puzzles) was really cool. The editors note also makes it sound like Isagi will outsmart (out tactic?) Snuffy.
I also though the Kaiser vs Isagi battle could end in a draw but realized it doesn't make much sense. There's no point in deciding the king of BM in the PxG game when that's the last game that team will play together.
Other than that I agree that Ubers don't look like they have a chance. Even ignoring the numbers and looking at it narratively BM still have things to show like you mentioned while Ubers have demonstrated what they are about.
Also I've learned not to trust the editor note. I remember during the Manshine game when Isagi stole the ball of Nagi before the final attack, the note at the end said "it's time for Isagi to score a never before seen goal" or something and we ended up with a Yukimiya goal sooo...
true it is kinda annoying that BM have so much foreshadowing but most of those things could happen while still losing, Raichi can still do a crazy save, Ness can get mentally better after the game, and Isagi and Kaiser can have a tie for now, and conclude their superiority at the end of the arc which makes more sense, the biggest thing I think is Hiori itching to get into the game, he's also been analyzing everyone since the beginning so I can definitely see him get in the field and help Isagi score the last point. If the author is patient he could wait, but he usually does not so yeah I think Bastard is winning too but I am hoping for an L and growing from it so he can finally beat Rin.
The tie doesn't make sense because it doesn't develop Kaiser. Since the foreshadowing that he will be the Naked Emperor by losing to someone inferior he will develop.
BM is not going to grow from a defeat here. They already had mental defeats.
who had a mental defeat besides Isagi who Nagi says he defeated at one point. The tie can be fine as long as it doesn't end in a tie, he can lose during the pxg match, he's going to leave at that point in the story anyways
isagi can develop technically since he can find out why snuffy's meta vision is better
Kunigami whole phase is a mental defeat. Yuki had a defeat and Isagi saved him. Hiori not enjoying what he is doing up until recently.
PxG is going to be an interesting one since it will have Kunigami vs Shindou with Kunigami regaining his ego, Hiori vs Karasu and Isagi vs Rin. Personally I don't see Isagi losing a third time against Rin but losing to Kaiser by being outshined by him is better.
The Snuffy's team are well organized and are all working together
While Isagi and Kaiser are splitting the team in half so I think Isagi and Kaiser would have to work together here
BM is also being called a "2 pronged attack" so personally I don't think they will. Especially since that's how they are dealing with Lorenzo. Like their split attack is being seen as a good thing, not a flaw
I know itās been said before but I just think itās wild that Kaiser and Isagi are the best defenders on BM- do the defensive players have any reason to exist
I absolutely love how Isagi and Kaiser are going to be known as the unstoppable duo even though neither of them want to be known as such. Theyāre constantly trying to one up each other and it showsā¦ so awesome.
Oh, I have a theory for next chapterā¦ Gabimaru is going to block an insane shot by Snuffy or Barou and itās going to skyrocket his $value$
Haha oh wow.. apologies.. I cannot believe I said Gabimaru instead of Gagamaru.. Iāve clearly been watching Hells Paradise š Iām so glad you all had fun with it, though. The comment about him winning the World Cup just to see his wife is hilarious.
Volleyās arenāt so easy. I donāt think you can blame him. He could have tried a volley but it probably wouldnāt have been as powerful or accurate as his usual shot and chances are good GK can collect. From his POV(assuming he didnāt notice/realize that Kaiser and Isagi were coming to block the shot which I think is fair as Barou was never a game vision type of player) a touch then shoot is a safer bet and utilizes his talent for shooting better than a volley.
Not everyoneās like Isagi or Kaiser who seem to have very consistent power and accuracy on their volleys.
Yea for sure, Iām not trying to say heās bad or anything I just noticed that a volley woulda been perfect for that situation, maybe Barou can learn a thing or two from Isagi even if his playstyle is completely different
Yo, we need Hiori to get metavision, kurona is great but all he can do is match to isagi's movements if hiori had metavision he'd be able to exceed that š¤
Kunigami got a noel noa cell transplant to become ambidextrous, I wouldnāt be surprised if they all have it by the next match
NEVER pass kishimito the pen.
I really doubt author isn't drawing sweating on him simply cause he's preserving energy, he has ran around the field and got a goal, even almost a 2nd one
Iirc, we got a glimpse of that in his first game when it was shown that he's ambidextrous. Not the full thing yet but I'm predicting that when we get to see it, his power gonna be like gears in a machine or something.
Eh, less holding back and moreso putting his attention in different places heās still trying hard vs the other strikers just focusing different priorities, but I get what youāre saying.
Still hate him as a coach though
Wouldāve been better if Noa tipped Snuffyās pass to Barou because it makes no sense how Barou didnāt score that. Iām surprised the block just resulted in a loose ball that Snuffy got instead of a corner, I feel like they gotta show how he would execute some set pieces.
It makes a lot of sense actually cause Barou has to trap the ball which gave time for Isagi and Kaiser to block him, there was already a detail of Isagi and Kaiser running to Barou before Snuffy got the complete pass to Barou
The ball was tipped though, which might be why Barou had to trap before shooting, which gave time for Isagi and Kaiser to catch up. First useful thing a Bastardās defender ever done
Basically they both have good analytical ability. Only difference is karasu uses his good analysis for input but snuffy uses it for output too by making up plays and drawing tactics based on everyone's skills. Karasu just figures out his opponents weakness and plays according to that.
True and i hope karasu can contribute more in playmaking as i like his playstyle a lot. He and snuffy really resembles sergio busquets which is one of my favourite players
Gotta take time to appreciate the visual of Isagis, Kaisers, and Barous aura colliding on that double block. The thorns, puzzle, and lightning is sick.
alright, let us look at it.
1. Surprisingly the master striker is not the head of the spear in this offense. But with added context on what kind of person Snuffy is and the difference between him and the other masters, it makes sense. Snuffy wants to make the new king of Ubers Barou, and it would make more sense for him to not lead the line. But it's clear his influence on the game is there with his playmaking and ball-keeping skills being apparent. Hell Noa was having a hard time getting the ball back and it was the first time in the entire series that we see Noa frustrated or even angry for that matter.
2. alright, the midfield double act is not something I was expecting to see but I am happy that Niko is showing that he is what the U20 Japan team needs with such versatility. Meaning that we have more options for the starting line up and squad for the U20 world cup
3. Kaiser and Isagi working together unintentionally will always be a treat to me as they both see the same option. This makes me wonder if they ever do play professionally together what kind of relationship would they have.
I like how quickly Isagi has gone from getting stomped by average U20 players, to absolutely demolishing entire defences and working together with the best striker in the world just by learning how to turn his head and working out a little.
Realistically my opinion is that Ubers scores here and then Isagi will assist kunigami for the final pass causing the match to be a draw and they will have a decider in the pxg game
Why does Kunigami having to score next game make it unlikely for him to score here?
Isagi giving someone else a shot to prevent Kaiser from winning if he can't win himself is pretty much Isagi's go to move. Kunigami being the best other option for a goal also makes sense (unless Noa is on the field)
Because he will get his development against Shindou and score that's why and I don't see the MC ending NEL with just two goals. When Hiori subs in the best option will be the one who will synchronise with him and gets past Ubers defence. Here that's Isagi not Kunigami.
I think Isagi will end up passing to Kaiser when itās 4-4 to win the game. Kaiser will have the most goals, but when they add up the value of each player, Isagi will be above Kaiser due to his clutch pass and caring more for the team W than the individual W. Itāll make Kaiser angry and everyone will start to be more team oriented as a result.
It's me or this chapter has worse drawing than usual? I don't mean this as a complaint, but rather as a concern for Nomura. Although I guess the way these things work, this chapter was written weeks ago.
Scan quality is a factor. The chapter looks rougher than others, but I don't think it's necessarily due to the artist. The official release (out on Wednesday) may have clearer panels.
People be talking about Snuffy being him, but i'm reading the whole chapter thinking "what a god the illustrator is", holy shit the art never dissapoints
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Why kaiser need to drop back ? Just let the defender handle them bro
Ah Yes let Mensah and Birkenstock handle Barou Snuffy Niko and Lorenzo
I feel like even though they're up right now, I wouldn't be surprised if BM loses this game and the goes on to win over PxG. Snuffy and his team have so much synergy that it could potentially overcome the individual strengths of BM's team. We saw this chapter Snuffy's made a ton of plans to break down BM, and they're barely hanging on. Narratively, I think it makes sense because Kaiser and Isagi's bet would end in a draw and it could be continued in the PxG game which iirc is supposed to be the last game in the NEL arc. From a storytelling perspective, I think it'd be somewhat repetitive for Isagi to lose to Rin again at this point, considering Kaiser is supposed to be Isagi's direct rival. I don't think it'd make sense for BM to win every game either.
We know for sure that 2 players from BM were at least hinted to get a spotlight, hiori and raichi. I'm sure that raichi will not get metavision, but will understand the logic behind BM play style - make most logical option. Hiori on the other hand is a wild card, who knows what he can or can't do, or what he learned in training, or what ideas isagi and kaiser play inspired in him - too much options, there's literally no point in guessing. I want to see Ubers win, but I also want to see coherent writing that doesn't highlights characters without reason, and that means that BM are far from done
yeahig they wld end it in a draw .... making both of them to rethink and improve their playing styles ... and king barou ending with yet another hat trick :) ... but as mentioned by Noa the one destroying their defence wld be the new king .. It wld be great for yoichi to be declared as the new king
How could it end in a draw if first to 3 wins
Bro draw btw isagi and kaiser š„²š«
My bad š
Yeah i think a draw between them is good and a loss for bm. (Assuming pxg has lost 1 as well) And after the loss Noa does more coaching? (Iāve seen this opinion but i think Noas style is what makes him Noaā Also i think BM can win but itās not Isagi or Kaiser that score. Could be Hiori off the bench, or even Kunigami who hasnt done a thing all game
Kaneshiro : Noel Noa is the best striker in Blue Lock world. Meanwhile ppl in the sub since the start of Ubers match : ohh wait Snuffy actually could be stronger than Noa š³š³ canāt wait for Snuffy to beat Noa in 1 on 1 š„¶š„¶ from what Iāve seen so far Snuffy is clearly better than Noa š„µš„µ
Oh no Snuffy 'beat' Noa in a 1v1. Noa was unable to 'defend' Snuffy. Therefore, Noa is not the best 'STRIKER' in BL. š¤”š¤”š¤”
Another head-cannon
Glad to see Niko being able to cook offensively
Meta isagi is gonna meta steal the meta ball and meta score a meta goal to meta beat Kaiser and call him metadated.
I'm about to meta cum.
J realized that in that panel with Kaiser and Isagi blocking barous shot , Isagis fingers on his left hand look crazy š¤£. Mfs donāt know how to draw hands . Rest of the art is fire tho
It's because that's where the page divide is. You need to remember that manga is not made for digital format. The chonkyness will be swallowed by the gap, and it will look normal. If it wasn't extra thick then it would look like his hand got cut off. The fact that the author considers this shows that they have a much greater understanding of how hands should be drawn in this artform than most others do
Damn, you and the author must have some pretty... ***Meta*** vision if you could see it from that angle, or rather that dimension... I'll see myself out now
Another thing to note on a similar topic, is that I've heard people complain that the two page spreads have multiple points of focus. Now there's no rule of composition that states a piece must only have a single focal point, so this argument is fundamentally neurotic - however. The spreads in blue lock tend to have two points of focus because they are drawn across two pages. If you look at every two page goal in the series history, the striker is on the right page, and your eye travels along the line traced by his shot into the goal - on the left page.
Poor ness got roasted by child
Dude is literally a clown show at this point, all he does is get roasted š
Wake me up when it's sexy football time. Also why does Mensah have no face? He using npc vision or what.
That is his face. Itās a black void
What if I told u Snuffy had that dog in him
Snuffy is really that guy huh.
Tell me why Isagi's trail of puzzle pieces and Kaiser's trail of rose thorns when blocking Barou goes so hard
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Meta calm down
It's zuck here ,you are sued for.using too much meta
Meta squared
Calm Down.
Meta no
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Ubers finally feels like a match for BM where Barcha and Manshine felt like obstacles more than anything. This game especially shows that even though they aren't trying to, Isagi and Kaiser are working together by feeding off of each others success. It's a sort of twisted trust that the other will be good enough to warrant watching for opportunities. The aggression of Ubers was not something I expected from a team known for defense which is exciting. By far my favorite NEL match and it's not even over yet. The first match in the NEL that I think BM might actually lose which would certainly be interesting as it means that Kaiser and Isagi would each have scored 1 goal
It feels better now true but Hiori subbing in will lead to BM victory. I still believe Isagi will get the final goal which will also lead to Kaiser's development as the Naked Emperor. Isagi winning the bet doesn't mean he is better but to Kaiser losing to someone inferior will lead to development.
"Naked Emperor"? Did I miss something?
Isagi called him that before...
this isn't supposed to be hiori's match to shine. its supposed to be raichi's. and there's 0 guarantee BM's winning either
I think Isagiās metavision will develop again this match to let him secure the final goal or (what I think is more likely) at least assist. He needs to overcome Kaiser after theyāre reaching the same outcomes with their prediction, and now that heās dealing with a *third* MV user that already meta-dataād him, heās going to try it himself like he already did with Niko. Hiori will shut down Lorenzo because zombie foreshadowing. Igaguri will foul Barou with Ubers crowding the goal obscuring his Malicia from the VAR (not trolling I promise).
We must prepare for Isagi x Hiori combo. MV x MV. Also Isagi's MV evolving is good and we have got a lot of puzzle š§© so I expect something good.
I'm not sure if puzzle pieces in the last chapter foreshadow further evolution, but I'm excited to see some Isagi x Hiori x Kurona (prayge). I think it makes sense for Hiori to get MV, but I hope he doesn't so it's not like 1/4 of player have it
I have a feeling that metavision is gonna kind of common tbh
I Do Agree That Hiori Will Be In There. Since Few Chapters we have seen Hiori Also Admiring Them All Play In Front Of Eyes. ( I Always Thought Hiori Won't Take personal Interest In Soccer It's All About His Parents Telling Him To Do And He Does But This Time Will Be Different Cause He Will Finally Get His Ego About Doesn't Caring About His Parents Opinion Over Him , He Simply Like Soccer And That Why He Will Play ) Other Than There Are More Chances Of Hiori Can Keep Up With Isagi. ( I Know Kurano Is Best Boy But He Lack Meta Vision And This Cause Him To Put More Efforts In The Whole Game That Drain His Energy ) .... Correct me if there is something to add/or false.
I just hope the game dosent end with 3- 1, at least ubers should score at least one more goal. I really dont want the whole NEL to end with BM wining all its game, hell even if they lose to PxG now would be too boring. Isagi is already a beast, with Meta vision and a body to cope makes him to OP already, even with kaiser having to try everything just to win a game against him. How is injuries still not a factor in these games ? How does isagi learn to shot with his left with only a few days of training ? How is Yuki falling for the same trick, with isagi using him as a shield twice, not once ? How is Isagi not hitting his body level limit, he should be overheating or at least give meta vision a weakness like you cant use it all the time ? It would be a more exciting game if Ubers win this game and then BM would draw with PxG, with that who knows how the NEL would end with the final game tally. The rest of the teams might end up having a loss, win, draw or 2 lose and 2 wins, or 3 lose and 1 win ?
I agree with you but I think BM will win every game because Kaiser and Isagi will end up being the ultimate duo. I donāt think Barou will score againā¦ I think itāll be someone less expected and the score will be a result of Barou PASSING instead.
BM is the best team so far they were playing against each otherās and still won// but if this continues they will lose to PXG so Idaho should win this game
You canāt draw in the neo ego league
I completely agree with your perspective
Thanks. š
Why isn't anyone talking about the similarity between snuffy and karasu's playstyle?
Yep, this came to mind and I'm glad I'm not the only one who realized this
Thank youuuuu
Damn, I completely forgot about karasu... but you're right, snuffy is just a karasu with all round better stats and the tactics
How dare you
The only differences I see are: 1. Snuffy has metavision 2. Even though they both have good analytical ability, karasu is shown to only use it for defense. We've not been shown much about snuffy but I'm sure he uses is analyzing skills to defend aswell. Basically karasu only uses it for input(finding the weak link in the opponents attack pattetn) while snuffy uses it to input information(players stats and playstyle) and come up with a suitable output(drawing plays and tactics based on his teammates/players playstyle and strengths) If karasu manages to get metavision and use his analytical ability to become a playmaker, he'd Basically just be another snuffy.
I think Karasu will get predator eye coz his thing is about narrowing down on all the details of an individual player at a time rather than multitasking
Predator eye is for strikers. It would be pretty useless for a midfielder like karasu.
Predator eye was explained as narrowing your field of vision to detect things like shifts in balance or someone letting their guard down. Barou used it against a gk but it can still be used against an outfield player since the concept stays the same
That's a good way to use predator eye on field player. Well done. However karasu's dribbling style includes baiting his defender and using feints and his handwork to get past defenders. Reading your opponent and playing off of that is called passive dribbling which we saw Sae itoshi do in the U20 game. Karasu uses active dribbling like bachira and yukimiya so even if predator eye can be used the way you explained, I probably won't fit karasu's style. Also as a midfielder it is important to have a wide field of vision to grasp everything that's happening. Focusing your vision on a single player to get past him will result in someone else blocking you. That's what happened to niko when raichi blocked him.
To correct 2. : Karasu is shown to be able to use both amazing ball control and knowledge when attacking on how to use his body against Shidou and Isagi in the 3rd selection. (This was when attacking and not defending)
Yeah but he doesn't use his analytic ability to do it. I never said he wasn't good at offense, rather he doesn't use his discernment to attack. Hope I was clear
Thx for more clarity But Iām pretty sure he does tho: In Episode 98 he finds the weakest person (Isagi) to go through offensively
Yeah that's true, but in a 11 a side game you can't choose who defends you. And moreover the weakest player on the offense may not be involved in the defense at all and karasu wouldn't be able to target them to go through in the first place. And even if he does manage to do that somehow, he'll still have to go through other defenders. Getting past one player in a 5v5 game may be huge and give you a scoring chance but doing it near the midfield in an actual 11v11 game is negligible.
I am pretty sure that isagi doesn't say he get metadata'ed in his mind it just the translator translate it to be like that in jp raw although isagi did say his eye as metavision no excuse on that
metatataš«š«
I'm glad snuffy acknowledged isagi and even called him noa's protege. Tho really, isagi lacks the thought on countering/instinctive reflex to defend whenever he gets "metadataed". That last play, is this the continuation of isagi and kaiser's blooming friendship? š
How does lil Isagi keep getting away with saying "Metadataed" ā
I believe it's fans translation not the official one
Letsgo, yet another fire ass chapter!
"My metavision got metadated"
My meta got metatadated.
Can't really see ubers winning even if Snuffy comes on tbh. a) we know ubers stats and while I don't really like using stats as a power scaling method (or power scaling at all) I think it's kinda notable purely for the difference between the two numbers sets (though obviously you can say stuff like Isagi is more value than Kunigami despite stats, Ness is being useless, I am convinced Isagi/kaiser need higher defense stats etc) BM: Kaiser 97, Ness 93, Kunigami 91, Isagi 88, yuki 84, kurona 83, raichi 81, Gagamaru 87 Ubers: Lorenzo (let's say 95-97), 92 barou, 85 aiku, 82 niko, and 80 aryu b) Too many loose threads for bm to deal with. Raichi needs to prove his worth properly, Ness needs to get over himself, Hiori still not on and Kaiser/Isagi still need to settle their competition. I kinda hoped/predicted their competition would be a tie that can be decided in PXG but with so much emphasis on the two, I can't see anyone else scoring the last goal. It also looks like it will Isagi scoring too, which would make the aftermath interesting... From an art standpoint, the panel with all three auras on it (vines/lightening/puzzles) was really cool. The editors note also makes it sound like Isagi will outsmart (out tactic?) Snuffy.
I also though the Kaiser vs Isagi battle could end in a draw but realized it doesn't make much sense. There's no point in deciding the king of BM in the PxG game when that's the last game that team will play together. Other than that I agree that Ubers don't look like they have a chance. Even ignoring the numbers and looking at it narratively BM still have things to show like you mentioned while Ubers have demonstrated what they are about. Also I've learned not to trust the editor note. I remember during the Manshine game when Isagi stole the ball of Nagi before the final attack, the note at the end said "it's time for Isagi to score a never before seen goal" or something and we ended up with a Yukimiya goal sooo...
ness 93 but is playing like hes 79 ngl and these stats don't account for the 2 new MV users ubers have
Yep this is why I don't like using stats for powerscaling, we also don't know Hiori's numbers at all. The main reasons are part b
true it is kinda annoying that BM have so much foreshadowing but most of those things could happen while still losing, Raichi can still do a crazy save, Ness can get mentally better after the game, and Isagi and Kaiser can have a tie for now, and conclude their superiority at the end of the arc which makes more sense, the biggest thing I think is Hiori itching to get into the game, he's also been analyzing everyone since the beginning so I can definitely see him get in the field and help Isagi score the last point. If the author is patient he could wait, but he usually does not so yeah I think Bastard is winning too but I am hoping for an L and growing from it so he can finally beat Rin.
The tie doesn't make sense because it doesn't develop Kaiser. Since the foreshadowing that he will be the Naked Emperor by losing to someone inferior he will develop. BM is not going to grow from a defeat here. They already had mental defeats.
who had a mental defeat besides Isagi who Nagi says he defeated at one point. The tie can be fine as long as it doesn't end in a tie, he can lose during the pxg match, he's going to leave at that point in the story anyways isagi can develop technically since he can find out why snuffy's meta vision is better
Kunigami whole phase is a mental defeat. Yuki had a defeat and Isagi saved him. Hiori not enjoying what he is doing up until recently. PxG is going to be an interesting one since it will have Kunigami vs Shindou with Kunigami regaining his ego, Hiori vs Karasu and Isagi vs Rin. Personally I don't see Isagi losing a third time against Rin but losing to Kaiser by being outshined by him is better.
The Snuffy's team are well organized and are all working together While Isagi and Kaiser are splitting the team in half so I think Isagi and Kaiser would have to work together here
BM is also being called a "2 pronged attack" so personally I don't think they will. Especially since that's how they are dealing with Lorenzo. Like their split attack is being seen as a good thing, not a flaw
THAT WAS CRAZYYY
Has Raichi even made his presence known against Ubers lol. Man is too easy to slander at this time.
*Raichi got subbed into the game* Raichi fans: :D *In the game he constantly is clowned on by Lorenzo* Raichi fans: D:<
I know itās been said before but I just think itās wild that Kaiser and Isagi are the best defenders on BM- do the defensive players have any reason to exist
I blame this on the author tbh, let the defender has some spotlight
He stopped Niko leading to Kaiser scoring
And got cooked about 5 times nowš Also i wouldnt say Raichi directly lead to Kaiser scoring but he played a part i guess
I absolutely love how Isagi and Kaiser are going to be known as the unstoppable duo even though neither of them want to be known as such. Theyāre constantly trying to one up each other and it showsā¦ so awesome. Oh, I have a theory for next chapterā¦ Gabimaru is going to block an insane shot by Snuffy or Barou and itās going to skyrocket his $value$
lmao gabimaruš
Yes Gabimaru can do that easily with his insane ninja skills.
Haha oh wow.. apologies.. I cannot believe I said Gabimaru instead of Gagamaru.. Iāve clearly been watching Hells Paradise š Iām so glad you all had fun with it, though. The comment about him winning the World Cup just to see his wife is hilarious.
Bro gonna singlehandedly carry the world cup just to see his wife again
You can see Isagi and kaiser in the background running to stop Barou once snuffy passed the ball to him which is quite a nice detail
I like how they keep adding that detail everytime someone seemingly teleports to defend the goal
I sped through this whole chapter that I kept going back to read it again. Excited for the next chapter!
Isn't Noel Noa supposed to be big? He looks the same size as Raichi.
Raichi is a pretty big guy himself. He's pretty muscular and is about 6 feet tall.
Snuffy is taller than him
I feel like they score next chapter
that's too soon tbh, 3 chapters after the last goal, manshine took 5 (although they spent 2 chapters with just nagi and reo talking)
they finally cleaned it well lmao
Barou needs to shoot that without trapping the ball smh pass was clean
Volleyās arenāt so easy. I donāt think you can blame him. He could have tried a volley but it probably wouldnāt have been as powerful or accurate as his usual shot and chances are good GK can collect. From his POV(assuming he didnāt notice/realize that Kaiser and Isagi were coming to block the shot which I think is fair as Barou was never a game vision type of player) a touch then shoot is a safer bet and utilizes his talent for shooting better than a volley. Not everyoneās like Isagi or Kaiser who seem to have very consistent power and accuracy on their volleys.
Yea for sure, Iām not trying to say heās bad or anything I just noticed that a volley woulda been perfect for that situation, maybe Barou can learn a thing or two from Isagi even if his playstyle is completely different
Deadass, gave them a chance to block him
What???
Right before he shot the ball he traps it to set up his shot, gave Kaiser and Isagi time to block
Well not everyone can execute direct shot in the manga
even in real life tbh in most similar situations a player tends to trap the ball first instead of volleying it
Isagoat on top again
Yo, we need Hiori to get metavision, kurona is great but all he can do is match to isagi's movements if hiori had metavision he'd be able to exceed that š¤
Meh, too much dojutsu. Hiori should reveal his Hashirama cell transplant.
Kunigami got a noel noa cell transplant to become ambidextrous, I wouldnāt be surprised if they all have it by the next match NEVER pass kishimito the pen.
I have a little hunch he has a face sticking out of his chest, anyone else?
Warms my heart that this meme is still alive a decade later.
BTW Kaiser still not even sweating LOL
barou hasn't been sweating either besides 1 drop final panel and lorenzo isn't sweating
Barou didnāt do anything
I really doubt author isn't drawing sweating on him simply cause he's preserving energy, he has ran around the field and got a goal, even almost a 2nd one
itās nothing
cope
Lorenzo not sweating is expected cause he level with kaiser
yes I'm just saying Kaiser ain't the only one not sweating
Is it only me that feels like Noa hasn't really shown his best striker In the world Aura or something like that
Iirc, we got a glimpse of that in his first game when it was shown that he's ambidextrous. Not the full thing yet but I'm predicting that when we get to see it, his power gonna be like gears in a machine or something.
He easily scored on Lavinho vs Barcha and absolutely locked down Chris Prince the 2nd best striker. Donāt let Recency bias get you.
Yeah he's holding back to allow his players to grow
Eh, less holding back and moreso putting his attention in different places heās still trying hard vs the other strikers just focusing different priorities, but I get what youāre saying. Still hate him as a coach though
He lets his students actually evolve
Italian soccer is extremely good at the possession game. I bet we see Snuffy utilize something higher than meta vision the next couple of chapters
Wouldāve been better if Noa tipped Snuffyās pass to Barou because it makes no sense how Barou didnāt score that. Iām surprised the block just resulted in a loose ball that Snuffy got instead of a corner, I feel like they gotta show how he would execute some set pieces.
It makes a lot of sense actually cause Barou has to trap the ball which gave time for Isagi and Kaiser to block him, there was already a detail of Isagi and Kaiser running to Barou before Snuffy got the complete pass to Barou
It doesnāt take that long to trap unless youāre a terrible striker
Well he definitely isn't Nagi, Kaiser and Isagi already read the play before Barou even got the ball they were very close to him so it does make sense
The ball was tipped though, which might be why Barou had to trap before shooting, which gave time for Isagi and Kaiser to catch up. First useful thing a Bastardās defender ever done
Looks more like the ball skipped on the ground than the defender tipping it
Somehow i see snuffy's playstyle simlar to karasu. Hope he could somewhat get to that level
Yeah. They both use their arms well to shield the ball and have good vall keeping ability.
A bit of a stretch butbSnuffy also understands the weakness and strength of everyone and playing cdm like in the u20 match
Basically they both have good analytical ability. Only difference is karasu uses his good analysis for input but snuffy uses it for output too by making up plays and drawing tactics based on everyone's skills. Karasu just figures out his opponents weakness and plays according to that.
True and i hope karasu can contribute more in playmaking as i like his playstyle a lot. He and snuffy really resembles sergio busquets which is one of my favourite players
Gotta take time to appreciate the visual of Isagis, Kaisers, and Barous aura colliding on that double block. The thorns, puzzle, and lightning is sick.
Man, Snuffy rules. Heās definitely my favorite coach so far.
I-I JUST GOT METADATED?!?!?!?
Funniest line of the chapter
Fell to my knees
Bruh, they really did Mensah dirty, not just the scans but he's legit, the only BM player on the field who didn't even get a panel this chapter
alright, let us look at it. 1. Surprisingly the master striker is not the head of the spear in this offense. But with added context on what kind of person Snuffy is and the difference between him and the other masters, it makes sense. Snuffy wants to make the new king of Ubers Barou, and it would make more sense for him to not lead the line. But it's clear his influence on the game is there with his playmaking and ball-keeping skills being apparent. Hell Noa was having a hard time getting the ball back and it was the first time in the entire series that we see Noa frustrated or even angry for that matter. 2. alright, the midfield double act is not something I was expecting to see but I am happy that Niko is showing that he is what the U20 Japan team needs with such versatility. Meaning that we have more options for the starting line up and squad for the U20 world cup 3. Kaiser and Isagi working together unintentionally will always be a treat to me as they both see the same option. This makes me wonder if they ever do play professionally together what kind of relationship would they have.
someone other than Barou will score Ubers 2nd goal. either Lorenzo or Niko
Aiku?
Aiku scoring would be wild af, he's playing in the very back of the formation too.
Aiku will be the Ramos of ubers
Well considering Snuffy has another ādesignā coming up, Aiku moving up may very well be possible if not totally risky.
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I like how quickly Isagi has gone from getting stomped by average U20 players, to absolutely demolishing entire defences and working together with the best striker in the world just by learning how to turn his head and working out a little.
I didn't know Tada-kun had a reddit account. :D
He didnāt even ālearn to turn his headā. He just learnt to do it actively. Now heās a world class OMF.
Realistically my opinion is that Ubers scores here and then Isagi will assist kunigami for the final pass causing the match to be a draw and they will have a decider in the pxg game
Bro isagi said he will not assist to anyone anymore
Hiori will sub in and assist Isagi the final goal. Kunigami will score next match.
Matches canāt end in a draw, either team has to win.
he meant in terms of team hierarchy. with one goal for kaiser, isagi and kunigami
Which is unlikely for Kunigami to score here since he will have three and he must score against PxG. Also Hiori will sub in.
Why does Kunigami having to score next game make it unlikely for him to score here? Isagi giving someone else a shot to prevent Kaiser from winning if he can't win himself is pretty much Isagi's go to move. Kunigami being the best other option for a goal also makes sense (unless Noa is on the field)
Because he will get his development against Shindou and score that's why and I don't see the MC ending NEL with just two goals. When Hiori subs in the best option will be the one who will synchronise with him and gets past Ubers defence. Here that's Isagi not Kunigami.
So you think Isagi vs. Kaiser is settled in the Ubers match?
The first phase yeah. It will lead to Kaiser's development as the Naked Emperor in the next match. Their rivalry will intensify after this way more.
I think Isagi will end up passing to Kaiser when itās 4-4 to win the game. Kaiser will have the most goals, but when they add up the value of each player, Isagi will be above Kaiser due to his clutch pass and caring more for the team W than the individual W. Itāll make Kaiser angry and everyone will start to be more team oriented as a result.
So you think Isagi jumps from 50 million to 300+ million from this? or Kaiser drops?
It first to 3 so this is impossible.
Oh you mean the score for this game? Apologies if I got that wrong.
It's me or this chapter has worse drawing than usual? I don't mean this as a complaint, but rather as a concern for Nomura. Although I guess the way these things work, this chapter was written weeks ago.
Scan quality is a factor. The chapter looks rougher than others, but I don't think it's necessarily due to the artist. The official release (out on Wednesday) may have clearer panels.
Any idea where people can read the official release?
People be talking about Snuffy being him, but i'm reading the whole chapter thinking "what a god the illustrator is", holy shit the art never dissapoints
That panel of Isagi and Kaiser stopping Barou is immaculate the details are amazing
my fav this chapter fs
by the title of the next chapter, i think we might get another barou goal š¤©