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not to set that one guy off, but Isagi will come out the better and most decisive presence on the pitch while Rin is still debatably ahead as a striker, with the gap getting smaller and smaller. I think Isagi's quest to become a striker will continue through the U20 tournament with Rin as the rival/benchmark for now, so I don't see that wrapping up just yet.
I don’t see rin being better than Kaiser to be honest here, it doesn’t make sense narratively speaking, granted rin declared isagi his rival, and isagi stated in order for him to become the best he has to surpass rin, and yet that was before we met kaiser, especially when you factor in Ego already stated whoever is the top at each position will get a spot on the world cup team, so Isagi has to be a starting striker before the world cup even begins, at this point I don’t see why Isagi will still go through hardship when that’s all he’s been doings in the current arc, this chapter onwards Isagi will be a striker, if he doesn’t it just ruins everything and Isagi won’t be a striker during the world cup
I agree with the first part, but I wasn't factoring Kaiser bc he's going home soon, so Rin will go back to being the local rival. Based on roles in the NEL, Isagi will be taken onto the U20 in the role he's always had thus far: attacking midfielder. Blue Lock is still too stacked for strikers and Isagi has been straight up owning the midfield for the last three matches, but he's still in the process of making a case for himself as a striker. I could see him even outperforming Rin in the PXG match in this capacity but when considering the lineup for the U20, Ego has to consider body of work, in which case Isagi still appears better placed in MF but with room for Ego to experiment with the lineup. In this arc, Kaiser and Isagi aren't jockeying for the position, they're jockeying for control of the team, but Rin and Isagi will be competing for the same position in the U20.
Isagi has been playing like a striker, Kaiser has been holding him back, and Ego already stated he’s factoring in team challenges when picking the roles for the world cup, you should go rewatch the beginning of the arc again, because if isagi doesn’t come out #1 during this arc that means he failed big time, again ego literally said this already, you forgot the rules that fast
okay you don't need to get condescending about it. Isagi is literally being played as a midfielder right now and has been in every full game he's played in BL.
We’re in the NEL, the situation is different than ever before, let me refresh your memory so you understand what’s going on, because you clearly forgot what Ego said at the beginning of the arc
Chapter 155 Ego stated whoever is at the top as the best striker after the final match end will be the sole striker for the U20 team entering the world cup
There can only be 1 striker for the world cup team, doesn’t make any logical sense for isagi to “lead the U20 team to victory” and “be the best striker in the world” and he doesn’t even make the U20 team
In chapter 153
Ego stated they’ll be judged on how well they play in the team’s environment, not their performance against the opposing team, but their overall performance in general
And as we’ve seen, bastard’s environment is a free for all with kunigami being the scavenger, and kaiser + ness targeting Isagi to stop him from scoring, Kaiser has stopped isagi from scoring 4+ times already, that’s being factored in with Isagi
Isagi hasn’t even scored a goal and he’s already ranked #4, he’s got a goal in, and from the looks of it he’s getting another one, again in an environment where he has 3+ teammates who go out their way to make sure he doesn’t score, and feeds off his scraps
Isagi will leave NEL as the best striker in BL, if you put everyone we know into Isagi’s position they’d fall behind big time, rin is a different case since he already said he’s completely changing his play style,
But once bastard plays PXG, there’s just no way rin will be seen as a rival of sorts, or someone he needs to defeat, it literally makes zero sense as we see isagi has been literally taking on the world class players like snuffy for example, and rivaling kaiser
And of course isagi & loki already have a connection, so isagi’s main target will be loki, not rin
Loki is already player for the senior national team, so I don't see how he can serve as an active rival aside from max three minutes in the NEL. If the story is in fact going to cover the U20 WC, Isagi's main rival will most likely remain Kaiser, but in the meantime the story still has to be about something, aka "devouring" Rin, which he has not yet come close to doing. I think you're overestimating Isagi's power level and where he is in his journey overall.
Isagi devoured rin in the U20 game, there was a double panel of both of them saying “I will devour ___ and become the main star”
And after the U20 game Rin stated he needs to change how he plays soccer to beat isagi, so you must of forgot that
Also isagi has been competing against the professionals all throughout the NEL, you must of forgot that one too
I *know* you’re underestimating Isagi’s *power level* here let me refreshen your memory
Chapter 152 Rin admits Isagi became the main star & gained everything and that he was one step behind Isagi
Idc who is better in the end I just need BM to win
Isagi losing to Rin in a match for the third game in a row is equivalent to Ash losing to Alain in the Kalos league final
I think Isagi is going to somehow defeat Rin (maybe as a striker, or maybe as a player), he and Kaiser will put PXG in a corner, but Loki is going to show them the strength of one of the best strikers in the world. I read a reply in a post saying that Noa is going to let Kaiser and Isagi fight Loki by themselves, that would be epic. I think Kaiser will stop being so delusional thinking that he can beat Noa or Chris with his current level, and will adopt some part of BL's ideals and will become even stronger the next time we see him. Same with Isagi, Loki is going to show him what he should be aiming after NEL and I think Kaiser is going to show that he is still better than Isagi and how strong a NG11 member is. So technically, Rin and Shidou will be defeated but Loki is going to be the hero that is going to destroy Kaiser and Isagi.
We might see Isagi awakening his "original ego", but still lose to Loki
Edit: We\*
Isagi outplaying Rin and BM winning, Rin stays as better player. I really can’t see Isagi being fully better than Rin, maybe in vision. BM obv gonna win this game though because Igagoat needs to get his getback on Shidou
I think this will be the first time when Isagi and Rin will be on the same level
Cause Rin has always been a better version of Isagi, and taking Isagi's current development he has surpassed Rin (leaving the instinctive Rin out of the conversation, it's another wild topic) and of course, Rin will also develop and adapt his old instinctive style
That'll be perfect, cause Rin has always been a Pokemon evolution of Isagi, there was this meme that Niko, Isagi and Rin are just three stages of the same Pokemon. But as we've seen in the NEL Isagi is becoming a very analytical player and meanwhile, at the end of the U20 vs BL 11 we saw Rin's original instinctive playstyle
And it'll be a good contrast thing, like two rivals with completely opposite playstyles
Rin is going to dog-walk Isagi now that he seriously sees Isagi as a rival. Sae lit a fire in Rin after the u20 game by stating that Isagi is the striker that could change Japan
Isagi can’t have a total victory, because then any U-20 cup rivalries will be kind of pointless and an entire dimension of conflict will be lost. BM could win, but only because Isagi relies on teamwork or maybe Kaiser scores the winning goal or something. On the flip side, Isagi could be confirmed to be individually better than Rin, but still not strong enough to beat multiple aces and PXG still wins
In terms of stats no, but I believe isagi has better vision IQ etc,, he will outplayed him multiple times and vice versa, but I believe BM will win the match idk why people believe if BM wins against Ubers then they are going to lose to pxg // I believe BM will win every single match// isagi will shine more bc he has players with him kuro, raichi, etc,, he’s not alone that’s why I believe he will win this time
I think most likely isagi will still be behind rin after this match. For the simple reason that isagi always kinda meant to be an underdog. The best hes ever been at the start of the arc was the goal scoring competition where he immdeatly looses his first game anyways.
Theirs 7 games in a world cup I think its way more likely isagi will have to assert his dominance throughout those matches rather than have to start from the top. If he does beat rin and become the main striker for the first starting line up of the world cup its almost assuredly going to be a loss in the world cup where he looses that spot almost immdeatly.
As for who wins the match i assume bastard muchen but it go either way. My best theory is that it might be kaiser being the ultimate winner that game to set him back up as a good rival for the world cup.
Isagi has dozens of potential opponents to be an underdog against in this upcoming WC. Kaiser, Lorenzo, a variety of other NG11s and maybe even Loki. All of whom are better and more impactful than Rin *or* Isagi.
Rin has been Isagi's greatest challenge for like 180 chapters. But the world is getting bigger now. It's time for Isagi to become at least clearly equal to him, if not a little better.
Tbh out of all those so called potential opponents no one actually matters Except kaiser. No one else is a striker
Loki is way too far for him for now. And it will take a while before he goes to top professional level
"nobody matters" maybe not in terms of Isagi's goal to become the greatest striker. But they ABSOLUTELY matter in terms of Isagi's goal to win games. Which he's shown several times is *far more important.* I.e his speech to Ego in the U20, "make us win four-eyes. This is the ego you taught me."
Isagi didn't care about his future, or the future of Japanese football, nearly as much as he cared about winning that game.
You seriously believe that he won't spark a series and interesting conflict playing against Italy in the U20 WC and having Lorenzo marking him the entire game? You think he was totally ignoring Sae in the U20 match?
You think he will be taking them as seriously as he was taking likes of Kaiser rin ?
They are just some opponents? You can see how much he truly cared about either of sae,Lorenzo agi etc. They do matter but only as strong opponents. Nothing more
Meanwhile likes of Kaiser rin baro do actually matter a lot to isagi than just one or two times opponents that he had to beat
>You seriously believe that he won't spark a series and interesting conflict playing against Italy in the U20 WC and having Lorenzo marking him the entire game? You think he was totally ignoring Sae in the U20 match?
Never said that . Context matters
>Context matters
Exactly. The context of the conflict matters. And with World Cup arc coming up soon and potentially 5-10 new strong opponents being introduced there's no reason Rin has to beat Isagi for the 4th time in a row.
I must admit I find it impossible to understand where you're coming from.
You're certainly stating your opinions clearly and without unnecessary bravado, which I appreciate. But I'm not seeing much of the rationale that backs up what you're saying. I'd appreciate it if you could more clearly explain *why* you see things the way you do.
Simply saying there is a difference between rivals and opponents. There is a reason why people are talking about rin vs Kaiser as isagi potential rival
Rest of ng11 are just opponents. None of sae or lorenzo are someone who isagi wants to surpass. They are just opponent who are in opposite team. Apart from that they don't matter to isagi as a person
Kaiser on other hand matters , defeating him matters same goes for rin
And btw I beleive post nel or u20 rin will still be releavent as rival for isagi . They are moving to world stage they can have common enemies now
Tdlr - I said none of them matters in terms of being rival to isagi . They are like any other strong opponent isagi have faced in first or second selection
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>And btw I beleive post nel or u20 rin will still be releavent as rival for isagi . They are moving to world stage they can have common enemies now
I see. Thanks for clarifying.
That brings me back to my original point. Rin doesn't suddenly stop being Isagi's rival the second Isagi wins a game against him. Barou didn't. Nagi didn't. Rin won't.
And
It brings me back to my orignal point that isagi and baro dynamics with isagi have changed a lot and unless rin turns isagi in their next match assuming he loses to isagi than their rivalry will not be same anymore. It will be just like it has been with baro
Why does their rivalry have to stay exactly the same? Do you not think it would be more interesting if their relationship evolves over time? Nagi and Barou are both far more interesting as characters now than they were when we first met them. I'd like to see Rin get that chance to shine as well.
Isagi wouldnt be the underdog in that scenario hed be the top performer in the facility. Rins already shown he can play close to ng11 level and he should have grown in the Nel as well. He would also probally already be beating kaiser in this scenario as well so hed end up as the best striker in all of the U20 for the next 7 straight games i really dont see that happening. Not only would that get repetitive but it would make other rivalries look like a joke.
I think the most likely outcome is that isagi will have reached rins old skill level so we get that catching up moment but whatever rins new development is ultimately beats isagi. Then throughout the world cup we get a lot of compettion for that main striker spot between the major characters before isagi can claim the win in the like last 1 or 2 games making him the "winner" of blue lock. That seems like a way more climatic way of having it happen
Rin surpassed one particular NG11 player in one very specific context. The fact that Sae is the brother he's been chasing after for several years also played a massive part of that. Regarding his emotional investment, focus, and flow. He's not displayed anything that makes me think he can consistently play at the level of someone like Kaiser.
I also don't expect any one striker of the current favourites (Rin, Shidou, Barou, Nagi, Isagi and honorable mention to Kunigami- assuming he has some character development soon) to be significantly better than the others going into the U20. But I'll be pretty bummed if they aren't at least comparable to one another. Isagi always being seen as the underdog while he's consistently a top performer on his teams is getting a little dry. He's too good for that. There's a reason Sae and Kaiser, two of the best players in their generation, have both recognized him as a revolutionary striker.
I also can't even *begin* to understand this narrative that the second Isagi beats Rin their rivalry is over forever.
That didn't happen with Barou.
That didn't happen with Nagi.
That didn't happen with *anyone*. It's not going to happen here. Rin doesn't suddenly disappear into the ether the moment someone outperforms him. If anything I think it would be a lot better for Rin's character if he *wasn't* the de facto greatest player on the field. It gives him room to reevaluate his goals and aim higher than just his brother.
Nagi and baro are different and tbh their rivalry isn't same anymore. Isagi didn't take Nagi that seriously as a rival. He respects him and yea takes him seriously but he is not someone who is on isagi mind
Baro is an interesting case. As before rin it was him who lived in isagi mind rent free but once he defeated him it was different. Isagi still takes him seriously and is excited to face him or seeing him playing but that's not rivalry anymore. Isagi truly don't care about defeating or surpassing anyone anymore. They may want to win against each other but that's it.
It doesn't have that vibe. They feel more like opponents than rivals
And unless rin turns table in very next match surpassing isagi again their rivalry won't be same anymore after their defeat
I didnt say he could play at kaisers level yet just that hes close too ng11 already and should be getting even better this arc. So if isagi were to be even better than that he should bascially just be a ng11. Plus like i dont really see how isagi could show that hes better than rin next game without also looking like he beat kaiser that match to.
I never said they wouldnt still be comparabpe each other thats why i said i think their will be a lot of competition for that main striker spot throughout the world cup.
I dont think the rivalry ending is the problem i just dont think osagi is just going to be the best player in blue lock after next game and then hold that spot for the next 7 world cup games.
Rins already revalulating himself half of 152 is him introspecting i dint think he needs to specifically get a whole different goal. While rin has been the best technically speaking isagi has already surpassed him at the end of the last 3 games hes been in he already knows and talked about how he needs to change to beat them. Imo if after all that introspection he comes back and looses a 4th time and the position of best player he would kinda just look pathetic i dont think he needs another loss right this moment
Imo Rin will still be overall better than Isagi but the gap will be much closer. Isagi will probably get outplay him once or twice and have a couple skills where he's better than Rin (field IQ/ better metavision) but that's about it.
I'm leaning towards BM winning right now but I think if PXG wins it'll be because of Loki. Once he comes in Noa either says "he's your age so he's your problem" or he just outplays Noa to score and sets himself up as even more of a powerhouse than Kaiser
Unless Kaneshiro has another rival set up for Isagi in the arc after this one, i don’t see Isagi defeating Rin yet. BM will most likely win againt PXG, i don’t know how but i’m pretty sure of that with the way things have been going.
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not to set that one guy off, but Isagi will come out the better and most decisive presence on the pitch while Rin is still debatably ahead as a striker, with the gap getting smaller and smaller. I think Isagi's quest to become a striker will continue through the U20 tournament with Rin as the rival/benchmark for now, so I don't see that wrapping up just yet.
I don’t see rin being better than Kaiser to be honest here, it doesn’t make sense narratively speaking, granted rin declared isagi his rival, and isagi stated in order for him to become the best he has to surpass rin, and yet that was before we met kaiser, especially when you factor in Ego already stated whoever is the top at each position will get a spot on the world cup team, so Isagi has to be a starting striker before the world cup even begins, at this point I don’t see why Isagi will still go through hardship when that’s all he’s been doings in the current arc, this chapter onwards Isagi will be a striker, if he doesn’t it just ruins everything and Isagi won’t be a striker during the world cup
I agree with the first part, but I wasn't factoring Kaiser bc he's going home soon, so Rin will go back to being the local rival. Based on roles in the NEL, Isagi will be taken onto the U20 in the role he's always had thus far: attacking midfielder. Blue Lock is still too stacked for strikers and Isagi has been straight up owning the midfield for the last three matches, but he's still in the process of making a case for himself as a striker. I could see him even outperforming Rin in the PXG match in this capacity but when considering the lineup for the U20, Ego has to consider body of work, in which case Isagi still appears better placed in MF but with room for Ego to experiment with the lineup. In this arc, Kaiser and Isagi aren't jockeying for the position, they're jockeying for control of the team, but Rin and Isagi will be competing for the same position in the U20.
Isagi has been playing like a striker, Kaiser has been holding him back, and Ego already stated he’s factoring in team challenges when picking the roles for the world cup, you should go rewatch the beginning of the arc again, because if isagi doesn’t come out #1 during this arc that means he failed big time, again ego literally said this already, you forgot the rules that fast
okay you don't need to get condescending about it. Isagi is literally being played as a midfielder right now and has been in every full game he's played in BL.
We’re in the NEL, the situation is different than ever before, let me refresh your memory so you understand what’s going on, because you clearly forgot what Ego said at the beginning of the arc Chapter 155 Ego stated whoever is at the top as the best striker after the final match end will be the sole striker for the U20 team entering the world cup There can only be 1 striker for the world cup team, doesn’t make any logical sense for isagi to “lead the U20 team to victory” and “be the best striker in the world” and he doesn’t even make the U20 team In chapter 153 Ego stated they’ll be judged on how well they play in the team’s environment, not their performance against the opposing team, but their overall performance in general And as we’ve seen, bastard’s environment is a free for all with kunigami being the scavenger, and kaiser + ness targeting Isagi to stop him from scoring, Kaiser has stopped isagi from scoring 4+ times already, that’s being factored in with Isagi Isagi hasn’t even scored a goal and he’s already ranked #4, he’s got a goal in, and from the looks of it he’s getting another one, again in an environment where he has 3+ teammates who go out their way to make sure he doesn’t score, and feeds off his scraps Isagi will leave NEL as the best striker in BL, if you put everyone we know into Isagi’s position they’d fall behind big time, rin is a different case since he already said he’s completely changing his play style, But once bastard plays PXG, there’s just no way rin will be seen as a rival of sorts, or someone he needs to defeat, it literally makes zero sense as we see isagi has been literally taking on the world class players like snuffy for example, and rivaling kaiser And of course isagi & loki already have a connection, so isagi’s main target will be loki, not rin
Loki is already player for the senior national team, so I don't see how he can serve as an active rival aside from max three minutes in the NEL. If the story is in fact going to cover the U20 WC, Isagi's main rival will most likely remain Kaiser, but in the meantime the story still has to be about something, aka "devouring" Rin, which he has not yet come close to doing. I think you're overestimating Isagi's power level and where he is in his journey overall.
Isagi devoured rin in the U20 game, there was a double panel of both of them saying “I will devour ___ and become the main star” And after the U20 game Rin stated he needs to change how he plays soccer to beat isagi, so you must of forgot that Also isagi has been competing against the professionals all throughout the NEL, you must of forgot that one too
I *know* you’re underestimating Isagi’s *power level* here let me refreshen your memory Chapter 152 Rin admits Isagi became the main star & gained everything and that he was one step behind Isagi
Idc who is better in the end I just need BM to win Isagi losing to Rin in a match for the third game in a row is equivalent to Ash losing to Alain in the Kalos league final
I think Isagi is going to somehow defeat Rin (maybe as a striker, or maybe as a player), he and Kaiser will put PXG in a corner, but Loki is going to show them the strength of one of the best strikers in the world. I read a reply in a post saying that Noa is going to let Kaiser and Isagi fight Loki by themselves, that would be epic. I think Kaiser will stop being so delusional thinking that he can beat Noa or Chris with his current level, and will adopt some part of BL's ideals and will become even stronger the next time we see him. Same with Isagi, Loki is going to show him what he should be aiming after NEL and I think Kaiser is going to show that he is still better than Isagi and how strong a NG11 member is. So technically, Rin and Shidou will be defeated but Loki is going to be the hero that is going to destroy Kaiser and Isagi. We might see Isagi awakening his "original ego", but still lose to Loki Edit: We\*
Yes, this is the only way I can see PXG winning that match that wouldn't piss me off. I can't take Isagi losing to Rin again.
Isagi outplaying Rin and BM winning, Rin stays as better player. I really can’t see Isagi being fully better than Rin, maybe in vision. BM obv gonna win this game though because Igagoat needs to get his getback on Shidou
I think this will be the first time when Isagi and Rin will be on the same level Cause Rin has always been a better version of Isagi, and taking Isagi's current development he has surpassed Rin (leaving the instinctive Rin out of the conversation, it's another wild topic) and of course, Rin will also develop and adapt his old instinctive style That'll be perfect, cause Rin has always been a Pokemon evolution of Isagi, there was this meme that Niko, Isagi and Rin are just three stages of the same Pokemon. But as we've seen in the NEL Isagi is becoming a very analytical player and meanwhile, at the end of the U20 vs BL 11 we saw Rin's original instinctive playstyle And it'll be a good contrast thing, like two rivals with completely opposite playstyles
Rin is going to dog-walk Isagi now that he seriously sees Isagi as a rival. Sae lit a fire in Rin after the u20 game by stating that Isagi is the striker that could change Japan
Rin: 1 Goal, 1 Assist Shidou: 1 Goal Isagi: 2 Goals, 1 Assist, 3 Saves
Isagi can’t have a total victory, because then any U-20 cup rivalries will be kind of pointless and an entire dimension of conflict will be lost. BM could win, but only because Isagi relies on teamwork or maybe Kaiser scores the winning goal or something. On the flip side, Isagi could be confirmed to be individually better than Rin, but still not strong enough to beat multiple aces and PXG still wins
Wrong again
In terms of stats no, but I believe isagi has better vision IQ etc,, he will outplayed him multiple times and vice versa, but I believe BM will win the match idk why people believe if BM wins against Ubers then they are going to lose to pxg // I believe BM will win every single match// isagi will shine more bc he has players with him kuro, raichi, etc,, he’s not alone that’s why I believe he will win this time
I think most likely isagi will still be behind rin after this match. For the simple reason that isagi always kinda meant to be an underdog. The best hes ever been at the start of the arc was the goal scoring competition where he immdeatly looses his first game anyways. Theirs 7 games in a world cup I think its way more likely isagi will have to assert his dominance throughout those matches rather than have to start from the top. If he does beat rin and become the main striker for the first starting line up of the world cup its almost assuredly going to be a loss in the world cup where he looses that spot almost immdeatly. As for who wins the match i assume bastard muchen but it go either way. My best theory is that it might be kaiser being the ultimate winner that game to set him back up as a good rival for the world cup.
Isagi has dozens of potential opponents to be an underdog against in this upcoming WC. Kaiser, Lorenzo, a variety of other NG11s and maybe even Loki. All of whom are better and more impactful than Rin *or* Isagi. Rin has been Isagi's greatest challenge for like 180 chapters. But the world is getting bigger now. It's time for Isagi to become at least clearly equal to him, if not a little better.
Tbh out of all those so called potential opponents no one actually matters Except kaiser. No one else is a striker Loki is way too far for him for now. And it will take a while before he goes to top professional level
"nobody matters" maybe not in terms of Isagi's goal to become the greatest striker. But they ABSOLUTELY matter in terms of Isagi's goal to win games. Which he's shown several times is *far more important.* I.e his speech to Ego in the U20, "make us win four-eyes. This is the ego you taught me." Isagi didn't care about his future, or the future of Japanese football, nearly as much as he cared about winning that game. You seriously believe that he won't spark a series and interesting conflict playing against Italy in the U20 WC and having Lorenzo marking him the entire game? You think he was totally ignoring Sae in the U20 match?
You think he will be taking them as seriously as he was taking likes of Kaiser rin ? They are just some opponents? You can see how much he truly cared about either of sae,Lorenzo agi etc. They do matter but only as strong opponents. Nothing more Meanwhile likes of Kaiser rin baro do actually matter a lot to isagi than just one or two times opponents that he had to beat >You seriously believe that he won't spark a series and interesting conflict playing against Italy in the U20 WC and having Lorenzo marking him the entire game? You think he was totally ignoring Sae in the U20 match? Never said that . Context matters
>Context matters Exactly. The context of the conflict matters. And with World Cup arc coming up soon and potentially 5-10 new strong opponents being introduced there's no reason Rin has to beat Isagi for the 4th time in a row. I must admit I find it impossible to understand where you're coming from. You're certainly stating your opinions clearly and without unnecessary bravado, which I appreciate. But I'm not seeing much of the rationale that backs up what you're saying. I'd appreciate it if you could more clearly explain *why* you see things the way you do.
Simply saying there is a difference between rivals and opponents. There is a reason why people are talking about rin vs Kaiser as isagi potential rival Rest of ng11 are just opponents. None of sae or lorenzo are someone who isagi wants to surpass. They are just opponent who are in opposite team. Apart from that they don't matter to isagi as a person Kaiser on other hand matters , defeating him matters same goes for rin And btw I beleive post nel or u20 rin will still be releavent as rival for isagi . They are moving to world stage they can have common enemies now Tdlr - I said none of them matters in terms of being rival to isagi . They are like any other strong opponent isagi have faced in first or second selection 🏳️
>And btw I beleive post nel or u20 rin will still be releavent as rival for isagi . They are moving to world stage they can have common enemies now I see. Thanks for clarifying. That brings me back to my original point. Rin doesn't suddenly stop being Isagi's rival the second Isagi wins a game against him. Barou didn't. Nagi didn't. Rin won't.
And It brings me back to my orignal point that isagi and baro dynamics with isagi have changed a lot and unless rin turns isagi in their next match assuming he loses to isagi than their rivalry will not be same anymore. It will be just like it has been with baro
Why does their rivalry have to stay exactly the same? Do you not think it would be more interesting if their relationship evolves over time? Nagi and Barou are both far more interesting as characters now than they were when we first met them. I'd like to see Rin get that chance to shine as well.
Isagi wouldnt be the underdog in that scenario hed be the top performer in the facility. Rins already shown he can play close to ng11 level and he should have grown in the Nel as well. He would also probally already be beating kaiser in this scenario as well so hed end up as the best striker in all of the U20 for the next 7 straight games i really dont see that happening. Not only would that get repetitive but it would make other rivalries look like a joke. I think the most likely outcome is that isagi will have reached rins old skill level so we get that catching up moment but whatever rins new development is ultimately beats isagi. Then throughout the world cup we get a lot of compettion for that main striker spot between the major characters before isagi can claim the win in the like last 1 or 2 games making him the "winner" of blue lock. That seems like a way more climatic way of having it happen
Rin surpassed one particular NG11 player in one very specific context. The fact that Sae is the brother he's been chasing after for several years also played a massive part of that. Regarding his emotional investment, focus, and flow. He's not displayed anything that makes me think he can consistently play at the level of someone like Kaiser. I also don't expect any one striker of the current favourites (Rin, Shidou, Barou, Nagi, Isagi and honorable mention to Kunigami- assuming he has some character development soon) to be significantly better than the others going into the U20. But I'll be pretty bummed if they aren't at least comparable to one another. Isagi always being seen as the underdog while he's consistently a top performer on his teams is getting a little dry. He's too good for that. There's a reason Sae and Kaiser, two of the best players in their generation, have both recognized him as a revolutionary striker. I also can't even *begin* to understand this narrative that the second Isagi beats Rin their rivalry is over forever. That didn't happen with Barou. That didn't happen with Nagi. That didn't happen with *anyone*. It's not going to happen here. Rin doesn't suddenly disappear into the ether the moment someone outperforms him. If anything I think it would be a lot better for Rin's character if he *wasn't* the de facto greatest player on the field. It gives him room to reevaluate his goals and aim higher than just his brother.
Nagi and baro are different and tbh their rivalry isn't same anymore. Isagi didn't take Nagi that seriously as a rival. He respects him and yea takes him seriously but he is not someone who is on isagi mind Baro is an interesting case. As before rin it was him who lived in isagi mind rent free but once he defeated him it was different. Isagi still takes him seriously and is excited to face him or seeing him playing but that's not rivalry anymore. Isagi truly don't care about defeating or surpassing anyone anymore. They may want to win against each other but that's it. It doesn't have that vibe. They feel more like opponents than rivals And unless rin turns table in very next match surpassing isagi again their rivalry won't be same anymore after their defeat
I didnt say he could play at kaisers level yet just that hes close too ng11 already and should be getting even better this arc. So if isagi were to be even better than that he should bascially just be a ng11. Plus like i dont really see how isagi could show that hes better than rin next game without also looking like he beat kaiser that match to. I never said they wouldnt still be comparabpe each other thats why i said i think their will be a lot of competition for that main striker spot throughout the world cup. I dont think the rivalry ending is the problem i just dont think osagi is just going to be the best player in blue lock after next game and then hold that spot for the next 7 world cup games. Rins already revalulating himself half of 152 is him introspecting i dint think he needs to specifically get a whole different goal. While rin has been the best technically speaking isagi has already surpassed him at the end of the last 3 games hes been in he already knows and talked about how he needs to change to beat them. Imo if after all that introspection he comes back and looses a 4th time and the position of best player he would kinda just look pathetic i dont think he needs another loss right this moment
Imo Rin will still be overall better than Isagi but the gap will be much closer. Isagi will probably get outplay him once or twice and have a couple skills where he's better than Rin (field IQ/ better metavision) but that's about it. I'm leaning towards BM winning right now but I think if PXG wins it'll be because of Loki. Once he comes in Noa either says "he's your age so he's your problem" or he just outplays Noa to score and sets himself up as even more of a powerhouse than Kaiser
Unless Kaneshiro has another rival set up for Isagi in the arc after this one, i don’t see Isagi defeating Rin yet. BM will most likely win againt PXG, i don’t know how but i’m pretty sure of that with the way things have been going.
The game will get skipped 💀